GOOD EVENING, WE HAVE BREAKING NEWS TONIGHT.

THE STATE CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION IS DECLARING VICTORY.

THE STATES LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR IS DISTANCING HERSELF FROM HER BOSS, THE MAN SHE WANTS TO REPLACE, BATTLING A THREE TERM STATE ASSEMBLY MAN AND SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMAN WITH SCHOOL FUNDING AT THE TOP OF HIS TO DO LIST.

BY FACING OFF TONIGHT WITH THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY JUST TWO WEEKS AWAY .

LIVE IN DOWNTOWN NEWARK, THIS IS THE 2017 REPUBLICAN GUBERNATORIAL PRIMARY DEBATE .

GOOD EVENING, WE ARE HONORED TO HOST TWO GOOGLE A TUTORIAL TO RAISE.

LAST THURSDAY FOUR EMMA CRADDICK CANDIDATES FOR GOVERNOR BASED OFF .

HELPING US WALK THROUGH THE ISSUES ARE BILL CARUSO AND ROGER BACHMAN .

ALSO JOHN MOONEY AND DAVID CRUZ IS WITH THE AUDIENCE WATCHING THIS LIVE DEBATE .

WE HAVE , I ASSUMING, ALL REPUBLICANS.

IDEAS SPEAK TO A FEW OTHERS.

WE ARE OUT IN THE CONCOURSE WHERE FOLKS FROM TO AND FROM .

PENN STATION IS EAST OF US AND PRUDENTIAL CENTER IS JUST ACROSS THE WAY .

FOLKS COME HERE TO GET TO THOSE PLACES.

THIS IS REALLY THE PUBLIC IN PUBLIC TELEVISION, OUR STUDIO AUDIENCE IS HERE IN THE PUBLIC SPACES .

I SHOULD SAY, WE NEED TO SEND A SPECIAL SHOUT OUT TO OUR FRIENDS AT 2 GATEWAY WHO HELPED TO SET UP THIS WONDERFUL EXTERIOR SPACE AND OUR FRIENDS AT THE ART GALLERY NEXT DOOR WHO HAVE PROVIDED SPACE FOR MAKEUP AND OUR PRE-DEBATE RECEPTION .

DAVID, I WONDERING IF YOU GET A SENSE THAT THIS AUDIENCE DEALS AS THOUGH THEY ARE COMING IN THE HOME STRETCH?

I SPOKE TO A LOT OF FOLKS EARLIER.

THERE IS A SENSE THAT WE ARE IN THE HOME STRETCH.

ANYONE HERE UNDECIDED?

NOT A LOT.

THEY ARE EXPECTING THEIR ANDIDATES TO DO WELL AND REALIZE THAT AFTER THIS THEY ARE NOT ANY OTHER OPPORTUNITIES OR EITHER OF THESE CANDIDATES TO BE SEEN IN THIS CONTEXT .

BY I THINK EVERYONE HERE RECOGNIZES THIS IS A BIG DEBATE INDEED .

AS WE SAW EARLIER WE TALKED ABOUT A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE WHO DO NOT KNOW WHO THESE CANDIDATES ARE .

WHAT MUST THEY DO TO DISTINGUISH THEMSELVES?

I WISH THOSE FOLKS WOULD HAVE SHOWN UP IN THE AUDIENCE.

LISTEN, KIM GUADAGNO IS THE FRONT RUNNER .

SHE HAS THE ORGANIZATION BEHIND HER AND HER GOALS ARE DIFFERENT THAN JACK CIATTARELLI .

SHE IS GOING TO STAY ON HER MESSAGE .

JACK CIATTARELLI WILL HAVE TO DIFFERENTIATE HIMSELF FROM KIM GUADAGNO .

HE HAS TO APPEAL TO THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE UNDECIDED .

HE NOT ONLY HAS TO CONVINCE THEM HE IS THEIR CANDIDATE, BUT TO COME OUT AND VOTE .

I AGREE.

THIS IS THE LAST CHANCE FOR JACK CIATTARELLI.. THAT 50% THAT IS UNDECIDED, A GOOD NUMBER OF THOSE MAY NOT VOTE AT ALL.

IT IS HIS CHANCE TO GET THEM EXCITED AND KIM GUADAGNO HAVE TO KEEP TO HER GAME PLAN.

SHE HAS THE LARGER SHARE AND MORE MONEY.

WE ARE WATCHING THE ASSEMBLY MAN HAD NOW TO OUR STUDIO AND ABOUT TO COME INTO THE STUDIO .

YOU CAN SEE THE FOLKS OUT THERE WHERE DAVID CRUZ IS.

ROGER, SHE HAS TO DISTINGUISH HERSELF?

SHE HAS TO STICK TO HER GAME PLAN.

IT WILL BE SOMEWHAT LIKE LAST WEEK WHERE THE THREE CHALLENGERS WERE TRYING TO BEAT UP MURPHY.

I EXPECT TO SEE SOME OF THAT TONIGHT .

LAST WEEK MURPHY GOT OFF UNSCATHED IN MY OPINION AND SHE HAS TO DO THE SAME.

SHE HAS TO STICK TO HER GAME PLAN.

BOTH OF THESE CANDIDATES , BLOGGING AS THEY DO TO THE PARTY IN POWER, DO THEY HAVE A HIGHER HILL TO CLIMB THAN THE DEMOCRAT THIS YEAR?

TO THE DEGREE IN WHICH THEY ARE OUR INCUMBENTS, IF YOU WILL .

OBVIOUSLY, JACK CIATTARELLI IS TRYING TO MAKE THE CASE THAT WE HAVE TO BREAK AWAY FROM CHRISTIE AND PUT SOME OUT THERE WITH NO RELATIONSHIP .

KIM GUADAGNO WITH A LOOK AT THE POLL THAT I JUST MENTIONED, SHE DOES NOT HAVE NEAR THE NEGATIVE THAT GOVERNOR.

CHRISTIE HAS, HENCE THEY DO NOT TAG HER WITH HIS BAGGAGE .

KIM GUADAGNO HAS A PHENOMENAL RECORD ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT .

SHE IS GOING TO HAVE TO SEPARATE HERSELF IN THE PRIMARY AND CERTAINLY SHE PREVAILS IN THE GENERAL .

IN SOME CASES SHE WILL BE RUNNING AWAY FROM HER CURRENT LOSS.

JACK CIATTARELLI HAS SEPARATED HIMSELF FOR A WHILE NOW, I THINK HIS MESSAGE IS VERY CLEAR.

HE HAS REJECTED SOME OF THE GOVERNORS CURRENT POLICIES .

HE IS REALLY DEFINING HIMSELF AND DEVELOPING HIS OWN POLICIES ON SCHOOL FUNDING, HIS FIVE-POINT PLANS THAT ARE VERY DIFFERENT.

THEY ARE VERY DETAILED .

IS THAT THE KIND OF MESSAGE THAT WILL GIVE VOTERS TO THE POLLS?

IF THEY PAY ATTENTION .

THE PROBLEM IS COMMUNICATING.

IT IS EXPENSIVE TO GET THAT MESSAGE OUT.

THAT IS REALLY THE PROBLEM FOR EACH , HOW DO YOU COMMUNICATE A COMPLICATED MESSAGE ?

IS AT HEART ESPECIALLY NOW WITH ALL THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE IN WASHINGTON?

IN MY OPINION WASHINGTON IS SUCKING THE AIR OUT OF THE ROOM.

TO A DEGREE PEOPLE ARE FOCUSED MORE ON THAT IN THIS .

THERE ARE SOME HEARTENING THINGS, WE LEARNED LAST WEEK , NJTV HAD WRECKER COVERAGE, IS IT A NEW FORM OF COMMUNICATION?

IT IS BECOMING NEWER DAY BY DAY .

THAT IS A MEDIUM TO COMMUNICATE IDEAS AND FOR THESE CANDIDATES IT IS VERY EFFECTIVE .

JOHN MOONEY IS IN OUR COMMUNICATION ROOM.

TELL US ABOUT THE SURVEY YOU ARE RUNNING.

WE ARE OUT HERE IN THE GENERAL NEWSROOM, WE HAVE A BUNCH OF THINGS GOING ON.

WE HAVE A HALF DOZEN OF OUR JOURNALIST FOLLOWING THE DEBATE ON MINE , DOING A RUNNING OMMENTARY, FACT CHECKING, REALLY TRYING TO ADD DISCUSSION AND CONVERSATION .

WE DID THIS WITH THE DEMOCRATS LAST WEEK AND IT WAS GREAT.

WE ARE ALSO MONITORING SOCIAL MEDIA AND PUTTING THINGS INTO THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL.

WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF FEEDBACK.

WE REACHED OUT TO OUR READERS ANDREW EIGHT SANS OF QUESTIONS THAT THEY WANTED TO LAST AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO FEED THOSE OUT TO THE MODERATOR .

AS SUCH WITH SOCIAL MEDIA, FOR THIS DEBATE IT IS #NJ DEBATE .

WE ARE DOING A SURVEY, FOLKS CAN WEIGH IN ON HOW THEY THINK THEIR CANDIDATES ARE DOING AND WE WILL PROVIDE THOSE RESULTS AT THE END.

FOR THAT THE ADDRESS IS NJPRIMARYDEBATE.ORG.

A LOT GOING ON.

WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO A REAL BEARDED DEBATE THE CANDIDATES HERE ARE THE DETERMINED ELIGIBLE BY THE STATE ELECTION LAW COMMISSION AND HERE ARE THE GROUND RULES , THE MODERATOR AND PANELISTS WILL ASK THE QUESTION .

THE EDITORIAL CONTACT HAS BEEN DETERMINED BY THE STAFF AND HAS NOT BEEN SHARED WITH ANY CANDIDATE .

EACH CANDIDATE WILL HAVE 60 SECONDS TO ANSWER .

SHOULD THE MODERATOR ALLOWED REBUTTALS RESPONSES WILL BE LIMITED TO 30 SECONDS.

EACH CANDIDATE WILL BE ALLOWED TO POSE ONE QUESTION DIRECTLY TO HIS OR HER OPPONENT.

CANDIDATES WILL BE ABOUT 60 SECONDS FOR CLOSING STATEMENTS.

FOR THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE, NO APPLAUSE DURING THE DEBATE .

WE NOW TURN IT TO OUR CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT AND TONIGHT'S DEBATE MODERATOR.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE .

THIS FIRST QUESTION IS FOR BOTH OF YOU STARTING WITH JACK CIATTARELLI, NEITHER YOU OR KIM GUADAGNO SUPPORTED DONALD TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT.

IF YOU WIN THE PRIMARY WOULD YOU WELCOME HIM IN THIS STATE TO CAMPAIGN FOR YOU IN THE GENERAL ELECTION?

HE IS THE PRESIDENT, I CITIZEN FIRST .

IF I ANYTHING HE CAN BE OF ASSISTANCE, YES .

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ARGUE WITH THAT .

I THINK HE IS THE PRESIDENT, HE IS THE DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT AND WE SHOULD BE LUCKY TO HAVE HIM COME INTO OUR ESTATE AND TO LOOK AT THIS CAMPAIGN AS SOMETHING IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR HIM TO COME IN AND CAMPAIGN FOR US.

LET'S START WITH PROPERTY TAXES, WE HAVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND PIECE .

PROPERTY HAS LONG HELD A TOP RANK THAT RESIDENTS WOULD GLADLY GIVE AWAY, THE HIGHEST PROPERTY TAX IN THE NATION .

THE PROBLEM IS OVER 100 YEARS IN THE MAKING, THANKS TO THE SHEER DENSITY OF OUR POPULATION, THE HIGH COST OF LIVING AND LABOR, NEW JERSEY HAS MORE THAN 600 SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND EDUCATION IS FUNDED LESS AT THE STATE LEVEL AND MORE AT THE LOCAL THAN ALMOST ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTRY.

ALL OF THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES NEEDED IN OUR 565 TOWNS WITH LIMITED OR LACK STATE FUNDING TO OFFSET COSTS.

THE STATE HAS MADE ATTEMPTS TO REMEDY THIS, AND ACTING A REBATE PROGRAM, REQUIRING LOCAL CAPS THAT FLOUNDERED IN THE RECESSION .

THE GOVERNOR REVISE THIS IDEA WITH THE SO-CALLED TOOLKIT AND A 2% TAX, SOME EXEMPTIONS HAVE LED TO SLIGHTLY HIGHER TAX INCREASES.

THIS QUESTION IS FOR KIM GUADAGNO, YOUR PROPERTY TAX CIRCUIT BREAKER PLAN WOULD DEVOTE ALL THE NEW GROWTH IN STATE REVENUE TO CATHOLIC PEOPLE SCHOOL TAXES, THAT IS ABOUT $1 BILLION , SO YOU WOULD DEVOTE NO NEW REVENUES TO THE PENSION PROBLEM , THE TRANSPORTATION PROBLEM, SCHOOLS THEMSELVES OR HIGHER EDUCATION ?

LET ME TELL USE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SCHOOL FUNDING PROBLEM .

WE ARE THE HIGHEST TAX STATE IN THE COUNTRY .

I HAVE BEEN THROUGHOUT THE STATE TALKING TO PEOPLE ABOUT THEIR NUMBER ONE PROBLEM, PROPERTY TAX .

WE HAVE TO ADDRESS PROPERTY TAX .

AS GOVERNOR I WILL MAKE THAT MY NUMBER ONE ISSUE.

I MIGHT NOT BE THE MOST -- IT MIGHT NOT BE THE MOST IMPORTANT IN OTHERS MINDS, BUT CERTAINLY THE MOST IMPORTANT IN THE MINDS OF PEOPLE THAT I HAVE TALKED TO IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.

THE CIRCUIT BREAKER HAS FIVE DIFFERENT BUCKETS THAT WILL BE USED TO PAY AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU KNOW IF YOU MAKE IT THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY OF YOUR CAMPAIGN TO HELP THE PEOPLE WHO NEED THE HELP THE MOST, THEN YOU CAN FIND THE BILLION DOLLARS.

IT IS NOT JUST THE ONLY SOLUTION, IT IS ONE SOLUTION , A FAST SOLUTION .

WE NEED A SECOND SOLUTION, TO CHANGE THE SCHOOL FUNDING FORMULA .

MR.

CIATTARELLI , A RELATED QUESTION .

IN LAST WEEK'S DEBATE YOU CRITICIZE THE CIRCUIT BREAKER PLAN AS RELYING UPON FALSE SAVINGS AND FANTA REVENUES.

YOUR PLAN ASSUMES REVENUE GROWTH OF $1 BILLION YEAR-TO- YEAR .

ACCORDING TO TREASURY REVENUE DOES GROW AT ABOUT 1 BILLION PER YEAR NOW.

I HAVE A REPORT RIGHT HERE, 2018 REVENUES WILL CONTINUE TO STRENGTHEN.

WOULD YOU STILL CALL THEM PHANTOM?

YES, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT THE TREASURER JUST TESTIFY THIS WEEK THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER REVENUE SHORTFALL IN TRENTON.

THIS IS WHAT I THINK MAKES THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR'S PLAN IRRESPONSIBLE .

IT IS BASED ON FALSE SAVINGS AND PHANTOM REVENUE .

WHEN YOU SAY YOU ARE GOING TO PROVIDE IMMEDIATE RELIEF, IF SHE WERE TO TAKE OFFICE THE FIRST THING SHE HAS TO DO OUR AUDIT AND WILL SUPPOSEDLY PRODUCE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS IN SAVINGS AND THEN SHE NEEDS THESE REVENUES TO HELP A PLAN.

IF YOU ARE A SCHOOLTEACHER MARRIED TO A DPW WORKER THAT HAS $120,000 IN COMBINED INCOME AND PROPERTY TAXES OF $8500, YOU GET NO REBATE.

THE TREASURER TESTIFIED THIS WEEK THE 2014 HOMESTEAD PROPERTY TAX REBATES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO GO TO DISABLED PEOPLE AND SENIORS ARE BEING DELAYED UNTIL JULY, THAT IS BECAUSE OF A SHORTFALL IN REVENUE BY --REVENUE.

IT IS A PROMISE THAT CANNOT BE CAPPED.

I WAS ASKED LAST WEEK, WE CAN DO IT IF WE HAVE THE WILL TO DO IT .

WE TALKED TO THE GOVERNOR AND ABOUT IF HE THOUGHT WE COULD FIND $1 BILLION, THE PEOPLE TRYING TO PUT FOOD ON THEIR TABLE AND MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHETHER TO PAY PROPERTY TAXES OR KEEP A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD, I WILL FIND IT BILLION DOLLARS IN ANY NUMBER OF POTS .

THE GOVERNOR SAID WE CAN DO IT, I KNOW THAT WE CAN DO IT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DISAPPOINTED ME ABOUT THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR'S CAMPAIGN AND THE DEMOCRATS AS WELL, ANY CANDIDATE TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY TAX RELIEF WITHOUT TALKING REFUNDING THE SCHOOL FUNDING FORMULA AND THE INEVITABLE DISTRIBUTION OF THE MONEY FROM K-12 JUST DOES NOT WANT TO DO THE HEAVY LIFTING .

THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO RESOLVE PROPERTY TAXES, IT IS WITH A NEW AND MORE EQUITABLE SCHOOL FUNDING FORMULA.

I WANT TO GO BACK TO MY FIRST QUESTION, REVENUE GROWTH WOULD BE EATEN UP BY YOUR CIRCUIT BREAKER PLAN , NO NEW REVENUE FOR ANYTHING ELSE?

THERE ARE FIVE DIFFERENT BUCKETS, WE TALKED ABOUT THE AUDIT, WE TALKED ABOUT THE REVENUE GROWTH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE 2.5 BILLION WE CAN SAVE BY CHANGING THE HEALTHCARE BENEFITS THAT WENT TO THE PUBLIC SECTOR UNION, WE TALKED ABOUT THE $2 BILLION TO FIVE SIMPLY BY NOT DOING SICKLY PAYOUT .

THOSE ARE FOR POCKETS .

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT WE HELP THE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO HELP MOST WHILE WE TAKE ALL OF THE TIME IT IS GOING TO TAKE TO FIX THE SCHOOL FUNDING FORMULA.

WE DO NOT HAVE TIME TO WAIT FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO NEED THE HELP NOW AND THEN FIX THE SCHOOL FUNDING FORMULA.

MR.

CIATTARELLI , YOUR SCHOOL FUNDING PLAN WOULD AIM TO MOVE TOWARD A MORE EQUAL FUNDING THROUGHOUT THE STATE .

NO MORE UNDERFUNDED AND OVERFUNDED DISTRICTS.

EVERY DISTRICT WOULD HAVE TO PAY 25% OF ITS SCHOOL CAUSE OUT OF THE LOCAL PROPERTY TAX.

SINCE NEWARK CURRENTLY PAYS ONLY 12% AND CAMDEN PAYS ONLY 3%, DOESN'T THAT IMPOSE AN ENORMOUS HARDSHIP ON POVERTY- STRICKEN CITIES?

I WILL GUARANTEE AS GOVERNOR EVERY STUDENT IN THE STATE GETS A THOROUGH AND EFFICIENT HIGH- QUALITY EDUCATION, BUT WE NEED EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION .

SOME COMMUNITIES WILL ALWAYS NEED A LITTLE MORE HELP THAN OTHERS.

WHAT IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW IS FLAWED, UNFAIR, AND A VIOLATION OF THE STATE ONSTITUTION SAYS NO COMMUNITY IS SUPPOSED TO BENEFIT ON THE EXPENSE OF ANOTHER.

HOBOKEN HAS REVITALIZED, JERSEY CITY HAS REVITALIZED, IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GIVE UP VERFUNDED AMOUNTS AND SEND IT TO OTHER PLACES.

WHEN A $400,000 HOUSE IN BRIDGEWATER, EGG HARBOR TOWNSHIP PAYS MORE PROPERTY TAXES THAN AN 800 --$800,000 HOUSE IN JERSEY CITY, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

WHEN A MIDDLE-CLASS FAMILY IN THE SUBURBS HAVE TO PAY FOR PRE- K AND PEOPLE IN HOBOKEN SEND THEIR KIDS FOR FREE WE HAVE AN INJUSTICE .

SO PROPERTY TAXES WOULD SKYROCKET IN NEWARK AND CAMDEN?

THERE IS NO PROPERTY TAX CRISIS IN JERSEY CITY AND HOBOKEN.

BACK --THEY ARE BELOW THE AVERAGE.

THIS ADJUSTMENT AGE ALLOWS COMMUNITIES TO KEEP ALLSTATE FUNDING NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY REVITALIZE, NO FORM OF GOVERNMENT AID WAS EVER MEANT TO BE A SUBSIDY .

IT IS A CRUTCH UNTIL YOU CAN WALK ON YOUR OWN 2 FEET.

I TELLING YOU COMMUNITIES CANNOT WALK ON THEIR OWN 2 FEET .

I THINK WE AGREE ON THE FACT THAT THE SCHOOL FUNDING PLAN HAS TO BE FIXED.

TRENTON IS FINALLY TALKING ABOUT IT.

EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS ABOUT 380 OR SO DISTRICTS ARE OVERFUNDED .

EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS ABOUT 200 OR SO ARE UNDERFUNDED, DON'T HOLD ME TO THOSE EXACT NUMBERS .

THAT IS NOT ENOUGH.

GOVERNORS COULD DO IT RIGHT AWAY IF THEY CHOSE TO.

THEY COULD TAKE OUT THE RED PAN AND BAKE THAT IMMEDIATELY, WHICH IS SOMETHING I WOULD SAY I WOULD DO IT IMMEDIATELY .

JERSEY CITY IS NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE AND WE DO HAVE TO WRITE SIZE BECAUSE IT IS NOT FAIR TO THE CHILDREN IN PHILLIPSBURG LIVING IN TRAILER PARKS WHILE ANOTHER GROUP OF STUDENTS AND NEPTUNE TOWNSHIP HAVE ASTROTURF ON THEIR FOOTBALL FEEL AND A TATE-OF-THE-ART AQUATIC CENTER .

IT IS GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF TIME .

THAT IS WHAT THE PROBLEM IS .

I GET SWORN IN IN JANUARY 2018, MY REFORM PLAN IS IN THE FIRST YEAR BUDGET, IT TAKES EFFECT ON JULY 1.

I NOT HEARING THAT, WHEN I HAVE HEARD IS THIS IS GOING TO TAKE TWO OR THREE YEARS.

THAT IS WAVING THE WHITE FLAG ON AN INJUSTICE .

WHAT ABOUT GETTING THIS THROUGH THE SUPREME COURT?

THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS THE SUPREME COURT DOES NOT KNOW .

I GAVE YOU TWO POWERFUL EXAMPLES : WHY IS A $400,000 HOUSE IN A CARVER TOWNSHIP PAY MORE IN PROPERTY TAXES THAT $800,000 TOWNHOUSE IN JERSEY CITY?

WHY ARE MIDDLE-CLASS PEOPLE PAYING THROUGH THE NOSE FOR PRE- K WHEN PEOPLE OF MEANS GET IT FOR FREE AND HOBOKEN?

THE TIME HAS COME.

THESE ARE THINGS THE SUPREME COURT DOES NOT KNOW.

THERE ARE A GREAT MANY SUBURBAN DEMOCRATS THAT HAVE AWAKENED TO HOW THE POLICIES ARE ISADVANTAGING THEIR CONSTITUENTS .

THEY ARE FOR THIS , JUST AS THEY WERE IN 2011 FOR PENSION AND HEALTH CARE REFORM.

MRS.

GUADAGNO, YOU HAVE PLEDGED NEVER TO RAISE TAXES, STUDENTS OF GOOD GOVERNMENT MAY CALL THAT IRRESPONSIBLE.

MR.

CIATTARELLI CALLED IT PANDERING, YOUR COMMENT?

I THINK IF YOU TRAVEL THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY AS MUCH AS I HAVE AND MET WITH THE USINESSES THAT I HAVE BROUGHT TO THIS DAY AND HEARD HIM TELL ME THE REASON WHY THEY CANNOT HERE AND STAY HERE AND RETIRE HERE IS BECAUSE OF THE HIGH TAXES.

WE HAVE THE HIGHEST TAXES IN THE COUNTRY, ENOUGH.

WE NEED TO START RAISING TAXES .

MR.

CIATTARELLI HAS A PLAN TO RAISE OUR TAXES $600 MILLION.

WE CANNOT AFFORD IT.

IT WILL PUT A WET BLANKET ON THE GROWTH THAT WE HAVE SEEN .

WE SAW UNEMPLOYMENT GO FROM 9.8% TO 4.1%, PEOPLE IN NEW JERSEY ARE WORKING AGAIN.

THE PROBLEM IS THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE HERE.

THEY ARE MOVING OUTSIDE OF THE STATE.

OUR RESPONSIBILITY HAS TO BE TO RESPOND TO THE PEOPLE .

THE PEOPLE ARE TELLING ME, I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TELLING JACK CIATTARELLI, BUT THEY ARE TELLING ME THEY CANNOT AFFORD IT ANYMORE .

THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR KNOWS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT RAISING TAXES, IT WENT UP TO PRESENT THE TWO YEARS THEY WENT OUT --THEY WENT UP .

MY TAX RESTRUCTURING PLAN DOES NOT RAISE TAXES OVERALL ON ANYONE.

HERE IS THE BEST ANALOGY, IF I INCREASE YOUR WATER BILL BY FIVE DOLLARS AND LOWER YOUR ELECTRIC $20, YOU WOULD TAKE THAT DEAL SEVEN DAYS A WEEK AND TWICE ON SUNDAY .

I NOT SURE HOW THAT RELATES TO YOUR PLAN.

CAN I SAY ONE THING ABOUT THE TAXES?

I THINK THAT JACK CIATTARELLI NEED TO TALK TO HIS BACK CHECKER ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED HE KNOWS THERE ARE MUNICIPAL, SCHOOL, AND COUNTY TAXES .

IN FACT, IF THE BACK CHECKER WAS CORRECT HE WILL FIND OUT THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATE WENT DOWN WHILE I WAS A COMMISSIONER .

I ALSO FOUGHT AND PUT ON THE BALLOT A $5 MILLION BUDGET AND THOUGHT THAT KIND OF --THOUGHT THAT KIND OF DEBT .

LIKE MOST REPUBLICANS YOU SUPPORTED MILLIONAIRES TAX.

YOU WOULD RAISE THE TAX RATE ON INCOME OVER $702,000 PER YEAR AND RAISE IT AGAIN ON INCOME OVER $1 MILLION, WON'T THIS ACCELERATE THE EXODUS OF WEALTHY INDIVIDUALS AND COUPLES WHO SAY THEY ARE BEING DRIVEN OUT OF NEW JERSEY OR AT LEAST DRIVEN TO THEIR TAX ACCOUNTANTS OFFICE?

HE MET IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND MY PLAN I HAPPY TO RECOMMEND A GOOD CPA FOR THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

BY --NO ASPECT OF MY PLAN GETS INTRODUCED OR ENACTED ONTO ITSELF .

IT IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT RONALD REAGAN DID IN THE EARLY 1980S.

THIS IS WHAT WE NEED, IT LOWERS EVERYONE'S OVERALL TAX BILL.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE TAX CUTS IN MY PLAN, I HAVE RUN IT PAST BIG BUSINESS, SMALL BUSINESS, PEOPLE ALL ALONG THE INCOME SPECTER, EVERY ONE OF THEM HAS IT COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, WHICH HAS A CLASS IN THE NATION IN ECONOMIC GROWTH, THAT LAST IN BUSINESS CLIMATE, EVERYONE HAS IT SIGNED ME UP .

MRS.

GUADAGNO, YOU HAVE SAID HE WOULD RAISE TAXES $600 MILLION, IS IT INCOME TAX ON HIGH EARNERS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ?

IF SO, WHO CARES IF WE RAISE TAXES ON PEOPLE WHO MAKE MORE THAN $702,000 PER YEAR?

LET'S GO BACK, THE LAST TIME WE SAW THAT WAS WHEN JOHN CORZINE WAS THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY.

IN THAT LAST YEAR IT WAS 9.8% UNEMPLOYMENT AND 117,000 PEOPLE LEFT THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY.

WITH JACK'S PROPOSAL, TO RAISE THE TAXES SO THAT PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD TO LEAVE NEW JERSEY LEAVE, THAT ONLY INCREASES THE TAXES ON THE REST OF US BY DEFINITION .

WE KNOW IT.

IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT MY TRECORD, TODAY WE SAW ANOTHER0.

POINT DROP THREE POINTS BELOW THE NATIONAL AVERAGE .

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE PEOPLE OF NEW JERSEY?

IT IS NOT WE CANNOT FIND THEM JOBS, THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE HERE AND THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY MORE TAXES.

IS A 600 MILLION YOU ACCUSE THEM OF WANTING TO RAISE ALL THE MILLIONAIRES TAX OR OTHER TAXES?

SO FAR IT IS THE MILLIONAIRES TAX .

SHE CAN TALK ALL SHE WANTS ABOUT THE JOB WORLD .

THAT IS VERY GOOD NEWS, THE FACT IS WE HAVE HAD 11 CREDIT DOWNGRADES BECAUSE THE REVENUE SHORTFALL AFTER REVENUE SHORTFALL .

ONE REASON THE ECONOMY IS FRAGILE IS BECAUSE OUR TAX CODE IS AN ABOMINATION.

UNDER MY PLAN IF YOU HAVE $1 MILLION TAXABLE INCOME YOU WILL PAY $1000 MORE IN INCOME TAX .

THAT WILL BE MORE THAN OFFSET BY THE CUTS IN MY PLAN .

I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT ONE OF THEM .

I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THEM.

MY PLAN GETS AN ACT AS A PACKAGE.

YOU PHASE OUT THE CORPORATE STACKS OVER 10 YEARS, THE CPT CURRENTLY RAISES $2.5 BILLION PER YEAR, THAT IS MONEY THAT COULD GO TOWARD HIGHER EDUCATION OR LAW ENFORCEMENT .

WHY GIVE BUSINESS A TAX CUT?

THE CORPORATE BUSINESS TAX IS LESS THAN 10% OF OUR BUDGET AND GOING DOWN EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

FEWER BUSINESS ARE INCORPORATING HERE.

YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT CORPORATIONS ARE PAYING IT ONLY AS INSULT TO INJURY TO ALSO HAVE A CORPORATE BUSINESS TAX.

LASTLY, NO ONE IS INCORPORATING HERE .

THIS IS A DWINDLING REVENUE STREAM .

I PREFER THIS OVER ALL THE CORPORATE WELFARE THAT WE HAVE GIVEN OUT .

WE HAVE GIVEN OUT CORPORATE WELFARE IN THE HUNDREDS OF MILLION DOLLARS TO GET ORPORATIONS MOVE FROM ONE COUNTY TO THE OTHER .

IT HAS ALL BEEN A FUNNEL ON THE BEST WAY TO SLEEP OVER 10 YEARS GET RID OF THE CORPORATE BUSINESS TAX.

OTHER STATES HAVE DONE AS PART OF A TAX ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT REAGAN DID IN THE EARLY 19 TO SIMPLIFY OUR TAX FEEDBACK MRS.

GUADAGNO WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT HIS PLAN TO BATHE OUT CORPORATE STACKS ?

--TAX ?

YOU HAD TO HAVE YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT, LAST YEAR WE OPEN 103,000 BUSINESSES IN NEW JERSEY, 20% INCREASE OVER 2009.

WE DID IT BECAUSE WE HAD A $2.3 BILLION TAX CUT WHICH HAS ITS GOAL.

COMPLAINT THAT I HEAR IS NOT THE BUSINESSES CANNOT AFFORD TO BE HERE, WE DO HAVE A GOOD BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT, BUT PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE HERE.

THAT IS NOT WHAT I HAVE HEARD JACK TALK ABOUT.

HE HAS HAD SIX YEARS IN THE ASSEMBLY TO GET THIS RESTRUCTURING PACKAGE THROUGH OR ANY OF HIS FIVE-POINT PLAN, I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR SIX YEARS.

THE FIRST THAT I HAVE HEARD ABOUT THIS IS NOW, HOW COULD YOU WANT TO BE THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY WHEN YOU CANNOT EVEN GET YOUR FIVE- POINT PLAN FOR YOUR RESTRUCTURING OF TAXES THROUGH ?

WHY DO YOU THINK I AM RUNNING?

YOU THINK THE DEMOCRATIC GEORDIE WILL -- WHEN I GOT HERE THERE WERE 34 MEMBERS, THERE ARE NOW 28.

WE HAVE LOST LEGISLATORS IN YOUR HOME COUNTY .

I FIND IT AMAZING US REPUBLICAN IF SHE WAS A BABE PHASING OUT THE CORPORATE BUSINESS PACK --TAX AND YOU DID NOT GET A GUESS FOR THE ANSWER.

SHE HAS BEEN ON THE JOB 11 1/2 YEARS, LAST YEAR WE WERE LAST IN ECONOMIC GROWTH AND WE ARE CURRENTLY LAST IN BUSINESS CLIMATE .

WE ARE LAST IN THE NATION IN TERMS OF BUSINESS CLIMATE, ANYONE THAT YOU TALK TO AT THE TAX FOUNDATION WILL TELL YOU WHY, WE ARE THE HIGHEST TAX STATE IN THE COUNTRY.

WE JUST CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE BUSINESSES HERE ANY LONGER.

I MEAN THE PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE, AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

AND OF COURSE THE PENSION PROBLEM, WE ALL KNOW MANY DOWNGRADE WERE THE DIRECT RESULT OF THE PENSION.

I WANT TO SAY IT ONE MORE TIME, BUSINESS IS GOOD, THE FACTS BEAR ME OUT, WHAT IS NOT GOOD IS THE FACT PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE HERE .

THOSE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF BUSINESSES OPENING ARE NOT CORPORATIONS.

THEY ARE MOM-AND-POP SHOPS.

THE BIG CORPORATIONS ARE ALSO THE ENGINES OF JOB GROWTH.

THE WAY TO MAKE NEW JERSEY MORE AFFORDABLE IS TO HAVE GREAT PAYING JOBS.

I HAVE MOM-AND-POP SHOPS, BUT NOT THE KINDS OF JOBS THAT FORTUNE 100 COMPANIES HAVE TO OFFER.

WE HAVE FEWER LARGE COMPANY STAYING IN NEW JERSEY AND INCORPORATING HERE .

LET'S MOVE TO TRANSIT.

MR.

CIATTARELLI , YOU CAME OUT WITH A TRANSIT PLAN LAST WEEK.

WE SHOULD SPEND EVERY PENNY POSSIBLE, USE THAT, ON NEW JERSEY TRANSIT .

YOU DID NOT CALL FOR ANY NEW MONEY, JUST PRIORITIZING.

DOESN'T YOUR PLANT AMOUNT TO WISHFUL THINKING?

WE NOW HAVE 2 BILLION TO SPEND BECAUSE OF THE NEW GAS TAX THAT I VOTED NO ON AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE REPRIORITIZING.

NEW JERSEY TRANSIT IS IN CRISIS.

IF WE HAVE TO CREDIT ROADWAYS, THOUGH SHOULD STAY ON TRACK.

THE PEOPLE AT NEW JERSEY TRANSIT ARE GETTING ON THAT TRAIN EVERY MORNING AND ABOUT IF THEY GET TO WORK THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT HOME ALIVE.

THIS HAS TO BE OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY RIGHT NOW , EVEN IF IT IS TO REPAIR ON THE AMTRAK TRACKS AND GETTING REIMBURSED LATER .

WE SAVE LIVES FIRST AND WORRY ABOUT FEMA REIMBURSEMENT LATER.

THIS NOTION OF TRANSFERRING CAPITAL RESERVES TO BALANCE OPERATING BUDGET IS A RECIPE FOR DISASTER.

MRS.

GUADAGNO, DO YOU HAVE A TRANSIT PLAN?

FIRST OF ALL, I CAME TO WORK THROUGH THIS THEORY BUILDING UP THOSE STEPS TO THE US ATTY.

'S OFFICE FOR 10 YEARS.

I HAD A COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE 546 OUT OF LITTLE SILVER, MEET A JUDGE AT A COURTHOUSE DOWN THE STREET AND LEAVE IN THE AFTERNOON IN TIME TO GET A BABYSITTER.

THE HIGHEST PRIORITY, SECOND ONLY TO PROPERTY TAXES FOR THOSE WHO NEED THE MOST HELP IS TRANSIT .

LAST YEAR WE SPENT $4 BILLION, THIS YEAR I THINK THE GOVERNOR PUT HALF $1 BILLION IN IT, AND THEY ARE STILL NOT RUNNING ON TIME.

BEFORE WE START TO THROW MONEY AT IT, LET'S FIND OUT WHERE THE MISTAKES ARE, AND AND MAKE AN INFORMED EVIDENCE-BASED DECISION ON HOW WE SHOULD BE SPENDING OUR MONEY.

JUST YESTERDAY I HEARD ON THE TRANSIT THE GOVERNOR SPENT $29 MILLION ON A BUS CAMERA.

I JUST COULD NOT BELIEVE MY EYES WHEN WE HAVE GREATER PRIORITIES AND MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO LIKE TAKES NEW JERSEY TRANSIT .

THE 360 DEGREE CAMERA THAT MY PRESENT -- PREVENTED ACCIDENT?

IS THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING?

THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE DO NOT KNOW.

THAT IS THE REAL PROBLEM .

YOU ALSO CALLED FOR MERGING NEW JERSEY TRANSIT, MR.

CIATTARELLI , AND WHY NOT THROWING THE TURNPIKE AUTHORITY?

THE TURNPIKE AUTHORITY DO JUST FINE, BUT THAT IS NOT A BAD IDEA .

LET'S COME BY NEW JERSEY TRANSIT, NJ DOT, AND MOTOR VEHICLES UNDER ONE ROOF.

I ALSO WANTED TO SEE IT BECOME PHYSICALLY SUSTAINABLE HIGH ITSELF.

BY --LET'S TRY TO USE THAT TO MAKE INVESTMENT IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE .

WHEN I LOOK A STATE GOVERNMENT I LOOK AT AN ENTITY IN NEED OF REORGANIZATION .

IT NEEDS GREATER TRANSPARENCY AND GREATER ACCOUNTABILITY .

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I STARTED OUT WITH IN JANUARY.

I SAID THAT WE HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND AUDIT EVERY AGENCY .

FIND OUT WHERE WE SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT MERGE, TAKE THAT SAVINGS AND PUT IT BACK INTO WHERE WE NEEDED THE MOST, SCHOOL FUNDING .

YOU WANTED TO MAKE A POINT?

NOBODY LOVES ON HIS MORE THAN I DO, THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR HAS BEEN IN CHARGE OF THE RED TAPE COMMISSION FOR 7 1/2 YEARS.

HER ANSWER TO ANYTHING IS AN AUDIT .

YOU ARE RIGHT, FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS I HAVE BEEN IN CHARGE, AND I CAME INTO OFFICE THERE WERE 7800 PAGES AND TODAY THERE IS 60% LESS , SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 27,000 .

WHAT YOU SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT IS SOMEONE ACTUALLY COUNTED THOSE PAGES.

IF YOU GO THROUGH IN ORDER A STATEWIDE AUDIT LIKE I SAID THE GOVERNOR DID IN 1983, NOT JUST OF TRANSIT , BUT UP THE ENTIRE STATE GOVERNMENT, IT CAN BE DONE AND WE CAN SAVE MONEY.

IT IS TIME FOR CANDIDATE TO CANDIDATE QUESTIONS.

MR.

CIATTARELLI , $600 MILLION IN A MILLIONAIRE'S TAX, YOU VOTED AND RECOMMENDED WE EXTEND THE SALES TAX.

YOU VOTED AGAINST CREATING JOBS IN THE FORM OF HELPING SMALL BUSINESSES AND MANUFACTURING, WE ARE THE MOST TAXED STATE IN THE COUNTRY, CAN YOU TELL THE VOTERS IN NEW JERSEY WHY YOU HAVE THIS TACTUAL WHEN OUT OF THE PROBLEM MENTALITY?

SHE KNOWS THAT IS A MISREPRESENTATION .

THINGS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN SAYING OUR BLATANT LIES WITH REGARDS TO MY VOTES ON CERTAIN BILLS AND YOU KNOW THAT.

THERE HAVE BEEN A GREAT MANY LEGISLATORS THAT VOTED LIKE I DID AND SHE HAS ENDORSED THOSE CANDIDATES.

I JUST FIND IT VERY HYPOCRITICAL.

I NOT GOING TO RAISE ANYONE'S OVERALL TAX BILL.

I STAND BY MY PLAN.

IT WAS THE DAY THAT I OUT LAST YEAR, IT HAS BEEN WELL RECEIVED AND PEOPLE ALL ALONG THE INCOME SPECTRUM.

WHAT THEY HAVE SAID IS COMPARED TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY IS OLD AND DYNAMIC YOU SAID SHE LIED ABOUT YOUR TAX RECORD?

YOU VOTED AGAINST THE RECENT GAS TAX HIKE, ACCORDING TO HER THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO YOU FAVOR THAT .

IF THAT ALLY YOU ARE REFERRING TO?

SHE IS REFERRING TO MY SALES TAX VOTE THAT OTHER REPUBLICANS VOTED ALONG WITH ME .

SHE ENDORSED THOSE REPUBLICANS AND LIED AGAINST ME ON THAT PIECE THE GAS TAX HAS BEEN A MISREPRESENTATION.

SHE HAS ENDORSED CANDIDATES WITH THE EXACT SAME POSITION THAT I HAD WHEN I GOT TO THE LEGISLATURE IN 2012.

SHE DID NOT SPEAK UP UNTIL AFTER THE RAGING DEBATE HAD ENDED .

SHE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VETO THE TAX, ACTING AS THE GOVERNOR.

LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, JACK, WHEN THE GOVERNOR LEAVES THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY YOU WANT THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR TO TIP DOWN THE HALL AND PULL OFF THE DESK A DOCUMENT AND VETO IT?

ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU NEVER BE TOTE A SINGLE BILL?

ONE , AND I HAVE NEVER WALKED DOWN THE HALL AND TAKING A PIECE OF LEGISLATION OFF THE GOVERNOR'S DESK.

THAT IS NOT WHAT THE CONSTITUTION INTENDED.

AND WHEN YOU START TO TALK ABOUT THAT IT CROSSES THE LINE.

IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHERE MY CITATIONS ARE , I HAPPY TO TWEET IT OUT.

I SURE SOMEONE IS DOING IT RIGHT NOW .

THE FACT IS OTHERS VOTED AS I DID .

SHE HAS ENDORSED THOSE LEGISLATORS.

MR.

CIATTARELLI , A QUESTION FOR MRS.

GUADAGNO?

YOU HAVE COME OUT IN SUPPORT OF A CARBON TAX THROUGH THE CAP AND TRADE POLICY, DIANE ALLEN HAS COME OUT AND SAID HOW DISASTROUS THIS WOULD BE FOR THE ECONOMY BECAUSE OF HOW IT WOULD INCREASE ELECTRICAL RATES THROUGH INCREASED TAXES.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT I WONDER HOW IT DOES NOT APPLY TO YOUR POLICY POSITIONS?

THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO WHEN IT COMES TO OUR ENVIRONMENT.

WE HAVE TO ADMIT THAT WE HAVE A CLIMATE PROBLEM .

I WORKED ON SANDY, JONAS, IRENE, 17 DIFFERENT SNOWSTORMS AND I KNOW THAT WE ARE HAVING CLIMATE CHANGE.

I HAVE NOT A CLIMATE DENIER AND NEVER WILL BE, BUT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO RESPOND TO WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE WORLD .

WE NEED TO HAVE A DIVERSIFIED PACKAGE OF RESPONSES TO WHAT IS GOING ON IN OUR CLIMATE.

IF YOU LIVE AT THE JERSEY SHORE AND USE OF YOUR NEIGHBORS WIPED OUT YOU WOULD KNOW WE NEED A DIVERSIFIED RESPONSE .

IT IS CLEAN WATER, CLEAN AIR, JOBS, RENEWABLES, AND ALL OF THIS WILL CREATE INNOVATION AND NEW JOBS FOR THE STATE.

THERE IS NO ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL.

IT HAS TO BE A JOINT EFFORT WITH EVERYONE PARTICIPATING IN MAKING SURE NEW JERSEY HAS A GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE .

MR.

CIATTARELLI , A 32nd REPLY .

SHE IS A SHE KNOWS RATES BECAUSE OF A NEW TAX ON ELECTRICITY.

WE ARE CELEBRATING ALL THE NATURAL GAS THAT IS MUCH CLEANER THAN COAL WERE OIL EVER WAS, IT IS NOT THE TIME FOR WHAT SHE IS SUGGESTING AND PUTS US AT A COMPETITIVE DISADVANTAGE.

IT IS TIME FOR A SOCIAL MEDIA QUESTION, LET'S GO TO JOHN MOONEY WHO IS IN OUR DIGITAL NEWSROOM.

WE RECEIVED A LOT OF QUESTIONS OVER THE COURSE OF A COUPLE WEEKS BEFORE STARTED .

THE ISSUE ITSELF, SPECIFICALLY UP.

THE GOVERNOR HAS CUT 7.5 MILLION FROM THE CHIEF IN EACH BUDGET HAS BEEN A LOT OF BAIT CONTROVERSY.

WE FIRST OF THIS.

I SPOKE TO ONE READER , A 42- YEAR-OLD WHO SPOKE AT LENGTH ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS.

SHE TALKED ABOUT HOW PLAN PARENTHOOD IS SERVING OUR NEEDIEST CITIZENS.

SHE HAD A QUESTION TO BOTH ANDIDATES : IF ELECTED, WILL YOU FULLY RESTORE FUNDING TO PLANNED PARENTHOOD ?

LET START WITH TRANCE SIX.

LET'S GET ON IT WITH THE ISSUE, ABORTION.

I ADOPTED A CHILD.

THERE IS NO BETTER DAY IN YOUR LIFE .

THAT IS THE DAY YOU BRING HOME YOUR SON OR YOUR DAUGHTER FOR THE FIRST TIME.

A YEAR OR TWO LATER YOU GET TO ADOPT THAT CHILD.

YOU WILL NEVER FORGET THE WONDERFUL PART OF BRINGING THAT CHILD HOME WITH YOU AS A WOMAN .

I NOT IN FAVOR OF ABORTION, BUT I PRO-CHOICE .

HOW DOES THAT WORK?

I DO NOT BELIEVE GOVERNMENT HAVE A PLACE IN MY HOME, A ROLE IN WHAT I DO WITH MY BODY .

I BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE TO STAY OUT OF THE WAY AND STAY OUT OF THE HOME.

LET THE WOMAN MAKE THE DECISION.

WHEN IT COMES TO PLANNED PARENTHOOD, PRIVATE ENTITIES SHOULD NOT BE FUNDED WITH TAXPAYER MONEY.

ABORTIONS SHOULD NOT BE FUNDED WITH TAXPAYER MONEY.

IF ANYBODY CAN SHOW ME ABORTIONS ARE NOT BEING FUNDED THROUGH PLANNED PARENTHOOD WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT IT, BUT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS TAKEN THAT MONEY AND PUT IT TOWARD FEDERALLY QUALIFIED HEALTHCARE CENTERS SO THAT WOMEN GET WRAPAROUND SERVICES.

MR.

CIATTARELLI , WOULD YOU RESTORE PLANNED PARENTHOOD?

THE GREAT CHALLENGE IS WE HAVE MORE CHALLENGES THAN RESOURCES.

THE QUESTION BECOMES HOW DO WE TAKE CARE OF THE MOST VULNERABLE POPULATIONS?

WOMEN'S HEALTH IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

WE WILL NEED TO DO A REPLY OR TOWARDS NATION .

--REPLY TO RELATION --THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF EMERGING --REPLY TO RELATION --THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF EMERGING AREAS .

WE ARE HAPPY TO MAN FOR MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES AND WE CANNOT MEET IT .

WE HAVE DRUG ADDICTS THAT DO NOT HAVE AS .

WE HAVE HOMELESS THAT A RINSE.

THE NEXT GOVERNOR HAS TO DO A REPRIORITIZE NATION AND IS THE BEST EMPLOYEE THAT MONEY TO MEET THE MOST URGENT NEED .

NEITHER OF YOU WILL COMMIT FUNDING TO PLANNED PARENTHOOD?

I WOULD NEVER PUT A WOMAN'S HEALTH BEHIND --MY SON IS IN THE AIR FORCE, I MILITARY MOTHER.

I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT IT IS, I WOULD NEVER GO BACK AND RANK THE HEALTH OF A WOMAN .

I WOULD NOT DO THAT .

I JUST THINK IT IS COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE .

OUR DUTY AS A GOVERNMENT IS TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE WHO NEED THE MOST PROTECTION.

WHEN YOU SAY I GOING TO GO BACK AND PRIORITIZE, I HAVE WITH VETERANS FOR YEARS.

THEY ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO ME , BUT A WOMAN'S HEALTH?

THAT IS PRIORITY NUMBER ONE.. HER TO HER TO DEMAND FOR HELP HEALTH .

WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO MARIJUANA .

REPORT NGUYEN PORTER REPORT NGUYEN PORTER .

THAT IS JUST AN ESTIMATE AND LIKELY WILL BE MORE .

SPACE THAT HAVE LEGALIZED MARIJUANA DOWN REVENUE COLLECTIONS HAVE EXCEEDED INITIAL ESTIMATES .

COLORADO ANTICIPATED $70 MILLION IN STATE TAX COLLECTIONS AND THOSE ARE NOW DOUBLE THAT.

TAX REVENUE IN WASHINGTON STATE AND OREGON ALSO EXCEEDED EXPECTATION .

SUPPORTERS ARGUE LEGALIZATION HAS HAD POSITIVE SOCIAL IMPACT.

A RECENT REPORT FIVE MARIJUANA ARRESTS HAVE PLUMMETED IN STATES THAT HAVE LEGALIZED THE DRUG.

THERE HAS NOT BEEN AN INCREASE IN YOUTH MARIJUANA EXAMPLE OF STATES HAVE LEGALIZED FOR RECREATIONAL USE, AND ATTY.

GENERAL.

JEFF SESSIONS HAS SPOKEN OUT AGAINST EXPANDED MARIJUANA USE .

THIS QUESTION IS FOR BOTH OF YOU STARTING WITH MR.

CIATTARELLI , YOU BOTH EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR DECRIMINALIZATION BUT NOT LEGALIZATION .

LET'S SEE HOW IT WORKS IN COLORADO THAT MR.

CIATTARELLI .

AS WE JUST HEARD $160 MILLION WHERE THEY ARE ABOUT IN TAX REVENUE IN COLORADO, WHAT IS YOUR POSITION ON LEGALIZING IT NEXT YEAR SHOULD YOU BECOME GOVERNOR?

I NOT WANT TO USE REVENUE ENHANCEMENT IF I DO NOT THINK IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF PUBLIC POLICY OR HEALTHCARE IN THE STATE.

I THINK THAT IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE.

I THINK WE SHOULD DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA.

BY --THE QUESTION BECOMES WHAT IS RECREATIONAL USE?

I GOT A MARIJUANA SMOKER, BUT THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT TO ME .

I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT RECREATIONAL USE IS .

WE DO NOT HAVE TO BE AN EARLY ADOPTER.

LET'S SEE HOW THINGS GO IN COLORADO .

ARROW DISCUSSION .

MICHAEL, MY SON WENT TO SCHOOL IN COLORADO FOUR YEARS , I HAVE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO SOMEONE WHO DRIVES WHILE THEY ARE HIGH.

THAT IS WHY I WOULD OPPOSE LEGALIZATION.

I AGREE WE SHOULD DECRIMINALIZE IT, NO ONE SHOULD SUFFER BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN, SOCIAL BACKGROUND, OR BECAUSE THEY WERE PICKED UP WITH A SMALL QUANTITY .

I AGREE WE SHOULD HAVE MEDICAL MARIJUANA, WE SHOULD STREAMLINE AND LAST WEEK I THINK THE GOVERNOR SIGNED A BILL THAT ADDED ADDITIONAL INJURY THAT COULD BE COVERED BY MEDICAL MARIJUANA .

WE NEED TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE A DOCTOR'S NOTE AND PROVIDED TO CHILDREN WHO NEED IT MOST.

THAT IS A SOURCE OF INCOME.

LEGALIZING MARIJUANA, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE ATTY.

GENERAL.

CAME OUT AND SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO START TO ENFORCE THOSE CRIMES IS PUTTING ALL OF NEW JERSEY AT RISK .

LET'S MOVE ON TO A QUESTION FROM OUR AUDIENCE .

WE ARE HERE WITH PETER WHO IS REPRESENTING AS A COLLEGE REPUBLICAN HIS QUESTION IS FOR BOTH CANDIDATES, I FIRM BELIEVER THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS SHOULD HONOR AND ENFORCE ALL LAW, REGARDLESS AS TO IF THEY AGREE WITH THEM .

WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO AND SANCTUARY CITIES IN NEW JERSEY, WHICH EXPLICITLY DISREGARDS THE FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW?

THAT WAS A LITTLE HARD TO HEAR THAT QUESTION, I WILL REPEAT IT.

PETER OF THE COLLEGE OF NEW JERSEY OF REPUBLICAN CHAIRMAN SAYS I FIRM BELIEVER THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS SHOULD HONOR AND ENFORCE ALL LAWS, REGARDLESS AS TO IF THEY PERSONALLY AGREE .

WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO AND SANCTUARY CITIES HERE IN NEW JERSEY WHICH EXPLICITLY DISREGARDS FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LOSS?

BY WAY OF BACKGROUND I WAS A FEDERAL, STATE PROSECUTOR, A SHERIFF, I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT HAPPENS IF LAW ENFORCEMENT BUTTS HAD WITH OTHER --HEADS WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF LAW-ENFORCEMENT .

THIS PUTS LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AT RISK AND TO ME THAT IS A SERIOUS CONCERN.

WE NEED TO DO WHAT I DO ALREADY, SIT DOWN WITH THE GROUPS AND TALK TO THEM AND GET A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM AND LET THEM KNOW, BASED ON MY LAW- ENFORCEMENT BACKGROUND, THAT WE CARE ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND HOW THEY ARE BEING HANDLED WE SHOULD NOT HAVE FAMILIES TORN APART.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WOULD PASS A LAW THAT WOULD WITHDRAW SANCTUARY CITY THAT IS FROM THE DOZEN MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE TO CLEAR THEMSELVES SANCTUARY CITIES?

RIGHT NOW I DO NOT THINK THE DECLARATION OF A SANCTUARY CITY WILL NOT STOP A LAW NFORCEMENT OFFICER FROM GOING IN AND CONDUCTING AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION SWEET.

--SWEEP .

I WILL LOOK AT THE LAW, THE LEGISLATION WOULD HAVE TO PASS A LAW TO SANCTUARY CITIES OR PROPOSE ONE .

WHAT I WOULD DO IS WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR CONGRESSIONAL AIDES, OUR COUNTIES, OUR STATE, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE SOLVE THIS PROBLEM TOGETHER IN A THOUGHTFUL WAY .

MR.

CIATTARELLI , YOUR THOUGHTS?

YOU ARE RIGHT, I COULD INTRODUCE A LAW .

I THINK THIS IS THE WORST POSSIBLE POLICY AT THE WORST POSSIBLE TIME .

WE HAVE AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION ISSUE AND I THINK DECLARING YOURSELF A SANCTUARY CITY ENCOURAGES ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

IF YOU ARE THINKING OF CROSSING THE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY SAY TO YOURSELF WHERE SHOULD I GO?

WELL, UP IN NEW JERSEY WE HAVE THESE 12 CITIES THAT HAVE DECLARED THEMSELVES AS SANCTUARY CITIES .

THIS NOTION OF DEMOCRATS INTRODUCING A BILL, THAT IF THE PRESIDENT WITHOUT FEDERAL FUNDING THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY WILL IMMERSE THEM?

WHERE DO YOU GET THAT MONEY?

IS THAT FAIR TO THE OTHER 500 TO 2 TOWELS?

I WOULD SIT DOWN WITH THE ATTY.

GENERAL.

AND SAY WHAT LOSS CAN WE PASS TO DENY COMMUNITIES FROM DECLARING THEMSELVES AS THIS .

I WOULD SIT DOWN WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS AND SAY DO NOT DO THIS .

LET'S MOVE ON, THIS QUESTION IS FOR MRS.

GUADAGNO .

YOU HAVE CALL FOR AN ELECTED ATTY.

YOU HAVE CALL FOR AN ELECTED GEATTY.. UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF 1947 THE GOVERNOR APPOINTS THE ATTY.

GENERAL., A SYSTEM THAT'S ALWAYS SAY HAS WORKED VERY WELL.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT APPOINTED A JOURNEY -- ATTY.

GENERAL.

'S CANNOT FUNCTION WHICH ARE INDEPENDENTS?

43 OTHER STATES HAVE AN ELECTED ATTY.

43 OTHER STATES HAVE AN ELECTED GEATTY.. GENERAL.

THE ISSUE HAS ARISEN ABOUT THE INDEPENDENCE OF OUR ATTY.

GENERAL.

THE ISSUE HAS ARISEN ABOUT THE INDEPENDGENERAL.OUR ATTY.

MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE ELECT GENERAL.. THAT WEGENERAL.ND ATTY.

RIGHT NOW THE PEOPLE RESPOND, GENERAL.. ANSWERS TO THE GOVERNOR OR I PREFER TO HAVE THE ATTY.

GENERAL.

RESPOND TO THE PEOPLE .

WE CAN CRAFT A PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT TAKES THE POLITICS OUT OF IT.

THE DRAFTING COULD GO ONLY ONE TERM OR YOU CANNOT BE A REPUBLICAN OR A DEMOCRAT .

IT IS A CRAFTING PROBLEM, IF 43 OTHER STATES DO IT AND PEOPLE NEED CONFIDENCE THAT TREATED WILL REPRESENT THEM AGAIN, I THINK AN INDEPENDENT ATTY.

GENERAL.

IS ONE OF THE WAYS WE RESTORE OUR TRUST IN OUR GOVERNMENT.

IF THE INDEPENDENCE OF THE ATTY.

GENERAL.

IS CALLED INTO QUESTION I THINK IT SAYS MORE ABOUT THE GOVERNOR THAN THE ATTY.

IF THE INDEPENDENCE OF THE ATTY.

GENERAL.

IS CALLED INTO QUESTION I THINK IT SAYS MORE ABOUT THE GOVERNOR THAN THE ATTY.

GENERAL.

IN A STATE IN WHICH DEMOCRATS I CAOUTNUMBER REPUBLICANS BYEA .

800,000 I CANNOT THINK OF A WORSE IDEA.

ARE WE NOW THINK THE ATTY.

GENERAL.

IS GOING TO GO AROUND THE STATE AND DO FUNDRAISING AND CAMPAIGN DOOR-TO-DOOR?

WE KNOW HOW THE PARTY SYSTEM WORKS IN THIS DATE.

WE NOW HAVE AN ATTY.

GENERAL.

WE KNOW HOW SPECIAL INTEREST CAN DOMINATE, CAN WE NOW HAVE AN ATTY.

GENERAL.

AND EDIT TO THE PUBLIC?

TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN PENNSYLVANIA.

AND ATTY.

GENERAL.

WHO HAS TO SOLICIT FUNDING OR MAKE DEALS WITH SPECIAL INTEREST IS WHAT MR.

CIATTARELLI SAID.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEM IS , BELIEVE ME .

STAYS ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY DO IT ON A REGULAR BASIS, 43 OF THEM HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS, THAT MAKES NEW JERSEY AN OUTLIER AGAIN .

IF I HAVE TO CHOOSE FROM POLITICIZING THE ATTY.

GENERAL.

'S OFFICE , I WOULD PICK THE PEOPLE OF NEW JERSEY EVERY TIME.

I THINK THAT IS AMAZING WHAT SHE IS SAYING IS THAT SHE CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO PICK AND ATTY.

GENERAL.

BEYOND REPROACH .

THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS IF IN PLACE WITH THE LEGISLATION BEING EQUAL BRANCH OF THE GOVERNMENT.

LET'S MOVE TO GUN LAWS.

WE HAVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THAT FROM BRENDA FLANAGAN .

FOR DECADES THE GUN CONTROL DEBATE LINED UP SECOND AMENDMENT DIEHARDS AGAINST VOCAL FOLDS .

GETTING A PERMIT REQUIRES POLICE AND JUDICIAL APPROVE MET .

THAT HAS CAUSED PEOPLE WHO OWN GUNS ILLEGALLY OUT OF STATE TO GET CAUGHT IN JURISDICTIONAL CROSSFIRE AND ARRESTED FOR UNWILLINGLY TRANSPORTING THEIR FIREARMS.

THE GOVERNOR PARDON ALLEN AND SEVERAL OTHERS AND DEFY WERE RELAXED URGES, LAWS SO MORE ISPEOPLE HERE COULD GETT PERMITS TO CARRY.

APPLICANTS WOULD NO LONGER HAVE TO SHOW A SPECIFIC THREAT, JUST A SERIOUS THREAT IN ORDER TO PROVE JUSTIFIABLE NEED FOR A CARRY PERMIT .

THE POSITION ON GUN CONTROL SHIFTED RIGHT WHEN HE DID.

HE HAS VETO BILLS TO BAN 50 CALIBER RIFLES AND REDUCE MAGAZINE CLIPS FROM 15-10 BULLETS.

DEMOCRATS HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO OVERRIDE THE VETO, IT IS A POLITICAL STANDOFF.

THE QUESTION IS FOR BOTH OF YOU, WOULD YOU DO ANYTHING TO A MAN NEW JERSEY STRICT GUN LAWS?

I DO THINK THE PENDULUM HAS SWUNG TOO FAR.

PEOPLE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO WAIT TO GET A GUN PERMIT APPLICATION APPROVED .

WE HAVE HEARD THAT STORY IN NEW JERSEY WHERE A DIVORCED WOMAN HAD A VIOLENT EX- SPOUSE WHO WAS WAITING MONTH AFTER MONTH FOR HER LOCAL GUN PERMIT APPLICATION TO BE APPROVED.

SHE WAS MURDERED BY THAT EX- HUSBAND.

WE HAVE HEARD OF PEOPLE COMING THROUGH THE STATE, IN PENNSYLVANIA WE PUT A MOTHER OF TWO BEHIND BARS.

THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS THE SECOND AMENDMENT, I WILL TAKE A REASONABLE APPROACH MAKING SURE THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS OBSERVED.

I AM FULLY IN FAVOR OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT , I WAS A SHERIFF .

MY SON HAS A GUN AS A RESIDENT OF OKLAHOMA.

I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO .

QUITE FRANKLY I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT OUR CONCEAL CARRY LAWS.

THERE HAVE BEEN FAR TOO MANY PARDONS WHEN IT COMES TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

I AGREE IT DOES TAKE TOO LONG TO GET A LICENSE, WHICH IS WHY I HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE NEW JERSEY STATE POLICE TO MAKE SURE WE GET SOME OF THE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE ACROSS THIS COUNTRY FOR PEOPLE TO BE SURE THAT IF THEY ARE ENTITLED TO A PERMIT THEY GET IT RIGHT AWAY .

ARE YOU CRITICIZING THE GOVERNOR FOR PARDONING PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONCEAL CARRY ?

I SAYING CLEARLY THE NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PARDONS BY THE GOVERNOR OF PEOPLE WHO WERE TRAVELING SIMPLY THROUGH NEW JERSEY, NOT JUST THE WOMAN WHOSE EXAMPLE WITHIN THE CLIP, BUT ALSO A MARINE WHO WAS ON HIS WAY TO RECRUITING WAS PICKED UP AND HAVE TO BE PARTED .

THAT SHOWS YOU THERE IS A PROBLEM WE NEED TO DEAL WITH.

WE DO HAVE THE THIRD STRICTEST GUN LAW IN THE COUNTRY.

I THINK WE CAN AMEND TO PROVIDE FOR THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS WHERE THOSE PEOPLE ARE WRONGLY ARRESTED .

I SORRY .

I MISUNDERSTOOD YOU .

MOVING ON, IT COULD BE SAID THAT THE GOVERNOR PLUCKED YOU OUT OF OBSCURITY AND MADE YOU HIS SECOND-IN-COMMAND, YET THERE IS NO MENTION OF HIM ON YOUR WEBSITE AND YOU NEVER MENTIONED HIM WHEN YOU ANNOUNCED YOUR CANDIDACY IN JANUARY .

WHY IS THAT?

WORST OF ALL, I RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR, THE GOVERNOR IS NOT.

I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO ROT ON MY RECORD, SOMETHING I HAVE NOT SEEN JACK TALK ABOUT .

I HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT MY RECORD AS A JOB CREATOR AND THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE ON MY WEBSITE .

I HAVE FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCES WITH THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE, WHICH YOU HAVE JUST BEGUN TO SEE STARTING WITH THE GAS TAX, MOVING TO THE ENOVATION OF THE STATEHOUSE JUST TO NAME TWO THE BALLOT QUESTION I SPENT A LOT OF MONEY AND TIME ON TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNEW WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS .

WHAT WE ARE DOING IN THIS CAMPAIGN IS FOCUSING ON WHAT I WOULD DO AS GOVERNOR AND NOT WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.

CAMPAIGNS ARE ABOUT LOOKING FORWARD.

MY CAMPAIGN IS ABOUT MAKING NEW JERSEY AFFORDABLE FOR EVERYONE, BEGINNING WITH THE PEOPLE WHO NEED THE MOST HELP NOW.

MR.

CIATTARELLI ?

FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE IEUTENANT GOVERNOR IS FAMOUS FOR TAKING CREDIT FOR JOB CREATION.

BUSINESS OWNERS LOW THAT -- LOATHE THAT.

POLITICIANS DO NOT CREATE JOBS, PEOPLE ON MAIN STREET CREATE JOBS.

I HAVE SAID THE REASON THAT I GOT INTO THIS RACE IS BECAUSE WE NEED TO MOVE BEYOND THE CHRISTIE, MRS.

GUADAGNO ERA .

THIS QUESTION IS TO BOTH OF YOU, FIRST TO MRS.

GUADAGNO, THE TRANSPORTATION TRUST FUND FOR THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS, THAT IS $16 BILLION FOR ROADWAYS, BRIDGES, AND MASS TRANSIT THAT WILL BE MATCH FOR A TOTAL OF $32 BILLION OVER EIGHT YEARS.

IF ELECTED, WILL YOU REPEAL ?

I WILL NOT .

BUT LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I WILL REPEAL, I THINK THE GOVERNOR HAS ALREADY PUT $100 ON THE STREET AND HAS BEGUN TO SPEND IT.

I DON'T INC.

WE CAN GO BACKWARDS.

WHAT I DO THINK YOU COULD DO IS ELIMINATE THE PANEL FOUR.

MOST PEOPLE DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT FOR PEOPLE IN NEW JERSEY MAKE THE DECISION AS TO WHERE TO BE TAX MONEY PER YEAR GOALS.

I CALL IT THE PANEL OF POLITICS OR THE APOCALYPSE .

WE NEED TO BE OBJECTIVE AND MAKE EVIDENCE- BASED DECISIONS WHERE THAT MONEY IS, STARTING WITH TODAY .

EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING ON.

HERE THE HERE THE .

ANOTHER QUICK FOLLOW-UP, THE PANEL OF FOUR THAT YOU KEEP CRITICIZING, THEY ARE APPOINTED BY ELECTED OFFICIALS .

WHO SHOULD BE DECIDED WHERE THE MONEY GOES?

IT SHOULD BE DECIDED WITH EVIDENCE-BASED DECISIONS .

LET'S GO BACK DOWN AND DO IT THE WAY THAT ANYONE WOULD DO IT, DO IT THE WAY YOU DO IT IN SMALL TOWN, SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT WHICH ROADWAYS NEED TO BE DONE AND WHAT CONDITION ARE THEY IN?

DO WE NEED A BILLION-DOLLAR LIGHT RAIL LINE IN SOUTH JERSEY?

IF WE DO NOT WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IT?

USE OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE AND MAKE A DECISION AS TO HOW WE FUND OUR ROADWAYS AND OTHER TRANSPORTATION.

MR.

CIATTARELLI , HE VOTED AGAINST THAT TAX HIKE.

BY YOUR OPPONENT --YOUR OPPONENT SAYS IT WAS BECAUSE IF YOU ARE RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR.

WOULD YOU REPEAL ?

YES .

SHE DID NOT OPPOSE THE GAS TAX, SHE PANDERED ON IT.

YOU JUST ASK HER HOW SHE WOULD'VE FUNDED THE TRANSPORTATION TRUST FUND.

THIS IS THE TYPICAL POLITICIAN, WITHOUT DEMONSTRATING ANY LEADERSHIP TO SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS, HERE IS WHAT IDEA, I PUT MY NECK ON THE LINE.

YOU COULD SEE THIS ICEBERG.

IN JULY 2016 THERE WAS AN ICEBERG OUT THERE, THIS ADMINISTRATION SAID THERE WAS NO CRISIS , YET IN JULY OF , YET IN JULY 2016 THEY SHUT DOWN HIGHWAY PROJECTS TO SAVE CASH FLOW TOOL FOR THE NEW DEBT LEVELS.

WHAT I SAID IS WE SHOULD DO WHAT PENNSYLVANIA DOES, INDEXED FOR INFLATION.

LET IT GO UP ONE OR TWO CENTS PER YEAR TO AVERT A $.23 INCREASE OVERNIGHT .

I SAYING THIS TO BE MODEST, THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE EXPECT OF ME AS A LEADER, PUT FORTH SOLUTIONS.

HERE IS HOW WE REDUCE THE DATA --GAS TAX, GET RID OF THE SALES TAX, IT WILL SAVE PEOPLE SITTING IN YOUR AUDIENCE .

I JUST WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS, JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BILLION DOLLARS TO SPEND PER YEAR DOESN'T MEAN YOU SPEND THAT.

WE DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH WE WILL SPEND UNTIL WE DO AN OBJECTIVE DECISION ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND IN WHAT ORDER.

THAT IS WHAT HAS TO BE DONE WITH THE TRANSPORTATION TRUST FUND .

WHEN WE DO THAT TRUST FUND WE HAVE TO INCLUDE INTO IT NOT JUST ROADWAYS AND BRIDGES, WE HAVE TO INCLUDE EMPHASIS OR.

WE NEED TO FIX WATER SYSTEMS .

WHEN WE WERE SAYING THERE WAS NO CRISIS AND REFUSING TO RAISE THE TAX, TRANSIT RIDERS WERE HAVING A 25% FAIR INCREASE.

THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR'S ANSWER TO EVERYTHING IS AUDITS .

I THINK THAT SHE GOT IT WRONG AND SHE SHOULD HAVE WENT FOR AN ACCOUNTING DEGREE .

LET'S MOVE ONTO STATEHOUSE RENOVATION.

THE QUESTION BEGINS WITH MRS.

GUADAGNO.

YOU HAVE BEEN A CRITIC OF THE PLAN SAYING IT IS TOO EXPENSIVE AT $300 AND THAT IT IS NOT THE PALACE UPPER SIDE .

THE GOVERNOR RECENTLY SAID THAT IT IS AN ESSAY BUILDING .

WE HAVE FOURTH- GRADE KIDS IN THEIR EVERY WEEK.

THERE IS NO MODERN FIRE SUPPRESSION.

IF YOU BECOME GOVERNOR WOULD YOU CANCEL THE PROJECT ?

SO FAST IT WILL MAKE YOUR HEAD SPIN .

I GLAD JACK CIATTARELLI FINALLY GAME TO THE TABLE AND THE LAWSUIT.

I WISH SOMEONE HAD DONE THAT YEARS AGO .

I HAVE BEEN IN THAT STATEHOUSE FOR EIGHT YEARS AND I KNOW THE CONDITION .

I KNOW IT NEEDS WORK AND IT NEEDS TO HAVE WORK DONE.

THE PROBLEM IS WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT WORK IS GOING TO BE DONE.

WE DO NOT KNOW WHEN IT WILL BE DONE .

WE DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH IT WILL COST.

WE SHOULD HAVE AN AUDIT.

I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE TO ANYONE FOR LETTING THE TAXPAYERS OF NEW JERSEY UNDERSTAND WHERE THEIR MONEY IS GOING.

JACK MAY HAVE BEEN A CPA AT ONE TIME, BUT CLEARLY THE LICENSE HAS LAPSED.

I TALKING ABOUT A PERFORMANCE AUDIT, NOT AN AUDIT TO MAKE SURE THE CHECKS IT OUT.

I TALKING ABOUT SITTING DOWN AND FINDING OUT WHAT THESE PEOPLE DO AND IF IT IS WORTH IT.

THE SAME THING HAS TO HAPPEN AT THE STATEHOUSE.

THE RECORD SHOWS I SPOKE OUT AGAINST THIS RENOVATION PRIOR TO THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR .

WHAT I SAID FROM THE BEGINNING WAS THE BUILDING IS UNSAFE AND NO ONE DESERVES TO WORK IN UNSAFE CONDITIONS.

THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN VISIT THAT STATEHOUSE EVERY SINGLE YEAR .

THEY ARE ON THE FOURTH FLOOR WITH NO FIRE ESCAPES OR SPRINKLER SYSTEMS.

WHAT I SAID ALL ALONG IS THE FINANCIAL PLAN LACKS RESOURCEFULNESS.

I BELIEVE THE GOVERNOR SHOULD NOT BE USING EDA BONDS TO FUND THIS PROJECT.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNDS TO RENOVATE THE STATEHOUSE?

I THINK THERE IS A BETTER WAY TO DO THIS .

RAISING PRIVATE DONATIONS?

YES, AND LET'S MAKE THEM TAX- DEDUCTIBLE .

LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING ELSE, WHEN WE THOUGHT A PROJECT ON THE HORIZON WE WERE SQUIRRELED AWAY 10-$50 MILLION PER YEAR SO IN FIVE YEARS WE HAVE A $75 MILLION NEEDED.

WE CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER PENNY OF DEBT.

WHEN YOU ADD UP THE DA BOND YOU ARE LOOKING AT A 600, 700 EXPENDITURE .

SINCE WE CREATED THE OFFICE OF LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

IN THE LAST DECADE THERE HAVE BEEN THREE GOVERNOR AND LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

TAKE IT, TWO HAVE CONSISTED OF A MAN AND A WOMAN.

MR.

CIATTARELLI , IF YOU ARE THE NOMINEE IS RUNNING MATE ON THE STAGE WITH YOU?

THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION .

LET ME ANSWER IT HONESTLY, NO.

LET ME ALSO SAY THAT I THINK KIM GUADAGNO HAS BEEN THE BEST LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR THAT WE HAVE EVER HAD .

I HAVE NOT THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, EVEN THOUGH I DO INTEND ON WINNING, FIRST AND FOREMOST MY LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR WILL BE CONFIDENT AND READY TO TAKE OVER IF ANYTHING EVER HAPPENED TO ME.

THAT IS THE QUALIFICATION FIRST AND FOREMOST, COMPETENT AND READY .

MRS.

GUADAGNO, SHOULD YOU WHEN IS YOUR RUNNING MATE ON THE STAGE?

WHAT I WANT TO DO IS PICK A PARTNER, SOMEONE WHO WILL JOIN WITH ME AND GO WITH ME TO ATTACK THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES IN THE STATE TODAY, WHICH AS YOU ALREADY KNOW IS HELPING THE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO HELP THE MOST, AND THEN FIX THE SCHOOL FUNDING FORMULA .

MY LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR HAS TO HAVE A SEAT AT MY TABLE .

ALSO, I WANT MY LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR TO HAVE A SPECIFIC ROLE IN GOVERNMENT, WHEN I WAS LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR THE PRICES --CRISIS AT THAT TIME WERE JOBS AND I WORKED HARD TO MAKE SURE COMPANIES FELT WELCOME HERE.

SUBARU, PANASONIC, EVEN COMPANIES IN THIS BUSINESS TODAY DO NOT COME HERE UNLESS THE NUMBERS WORK FOR THEM TO COME HERE.

LET ME TELL YOU THE ONE THING I HAVE LEARNED OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, IT TAKES A LOT OF HARD WORK.

IT TAKES A LOT OF INTERACTION WITH THE GOVERNMENT.

THAT IS WHERE BUSINESSES NEED, THAT IS WHAT BUSINESSES CALL FOR.

JACK DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO NCOURAGE JOB CREATION LIKE I DO.

I HAVE BEEN IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR FULL-TIME 30 YEARS, THE LAST 20 AS A BUSINESS OWNER .

I HAVE CREATED GOOD PAYING JOBS WITH BENEFITS .

BUSINESS OWNERS LOATHE WHEN POLITICIANS ARE OUT THERE TAKING CREDIT FOR JOB CREATION.

I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE IN NEW JERSEY RIGHT NOW, PEOPLE WHO ARE FINDING IT HARD TO MAKE ENDS MEET, PEOPLE SITTING AT THEIR DINNER TABLE THING I HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN KEEPING A ROOF OVER MY HEAD OR MAKING PROPERTY TAX PAYMENTS, THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE I NEED TO TALK TO.

YOU HAVE A CLEAR CHOICE IN 18 DAYS, A CHOICE BETWEEN HIGHER TAXES, MORE BUREAUCRACY, OR HIRING ME TO BE YOUR NEXT GOVERNOR.

I GOING TO HELP THE PEOPLE WHO NEED THE MOST HELP NOW.

I GOING TO FIX THE SCHOOL FUNDING FORMULA.

I NOT GOING TO RAISE THE TAXES ON THE MOST TAX PEOPLE, I THE ONLY CANDIDATE WHO HAS MADE THAT PROBLEM IN THIS ROOM AND IN THIS ENTIRE RACE.

THE PEOPLE OF NEW JERSEY SIMPLY CANNOT AFFORD IT ANYMORE.

WE CAN DO BETTER.

I GOING TO FIGHT FOR YOU AND I NEED YOU TO FIGHT FOR ME BY GOING TO THE POLLS.

.

THE ONLY WAY REPUBLICANS WIN THIS NOVEMBER IS WITH A NEW MESSAGE, AND A MESSENGER, AND A NEW MESSENGER .

I AN MBA CPA, ENTREPRENEUR, AND BUSINESS OWNER, I HAVE CREATED JOBS AND MET THE PAYROLL.

I RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR BECAUSE I HAVE A SPECIFIC PLAN TO TURN THE STATE AROUND .

IT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE PEOPLE TO SERVE.

THE PLAN FIXES OUR ECONOMY, LOWERS PROPERTY TAXES, AND CREATES JOBS.

WE NEED LEADERSHIP DESPERATELY.

LEADERSHIP MARKED BY A COMMAND OF THE ISSUES, VISION, AND COURAGE .

IN THESE RESPECTS THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR AND I ARE DIFFERENT .

I HAVE A PLAN, SHE DOES NOT .

I CAN BE PHIL MURPHY, REPUBLICANS HAVE A CHOICE.

7+ YEARS THAT HAVE TRIED AND FAILED, OR A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DIRECTION FOR OUR STATE AND OUR PARTY.

I JACK CIATTARELLI AND ON JUNE 6 I ASKING FOR THE VOTE OF REPUBLICANS.

THANK YOU BOTH FOR A GOOD DEBATE.

I WANT TO THANK EACH OF YOU , THANK YOU ARE AT HOME FOR WATCHING AND THINK THIS AUDIENCE BEHIND ME WHICH CANAL A POT IF YOU CHOOSE TO.

[ APPLAUSE ] THE PRIMARY IS ON JUNE 6 AND WE WILL HAVE ROBUST COVERAGE HERE ON NEWS .

BILL CARUSO, DEMOCRATIC TRATEGISTS , WHAT ABOUT AS I WAS TAKING NOTES THE WORD THEY KEPT COMING UP FOR ME WAS COMMAND.

WHO HAD A BETTER COMMAND?

I SAW JACK CIATTARELLI AS BEING KNOWLEDGEABLE AND PROFESSIONAL.

I SAW AS MORE POPULOUS AND PERSONABLE .

I DO NOT KNOW IF COMMAND IS THE ISSUE, WHEN IT COMES TO A SITUATION LIKE THIS, YOU CANNOT WIN THESE DEBATES, YOU CAN ONLY LOSE THEM .

I DID NOT SEE EITHER OF THEM LOOSE.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF THE PRIMARY?

IT WAS KIND OF LIKE LAST WEEK, I DID NOT SEE ANY KNOCKOUT PUNCHES .

I SAW A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION, BUT NOT IN KNOCKOUT PUNCH .

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF THE PRIMARY?

IT IS HARD TO SAY.

I AGREE.

I THINK BOTH CANDIDATES CAME IN WITH A GOAL AND I THINK THEY BOTH ACHIEVE THAT.

I THINK A LOT OF DEMOCRATS THAT I WAS HEARING FROM DURING THE COURSE OF THE DEBATE THOUGHT JACK CIATTARELLI OUTSIDE HER DURING THE DEBATE .

WITH THAT SAID, IT REALLY IS A QUESTION THAT I THINK KIM GUADAGNO HAS AN ORGANIZATIONAL ADVANTAGE .

JACK CAME IN HERE TO LAND SOME PUNCHES .

IS THERE ENOUGH TIME DAYS REMAINING TO ACCOMPLISH THAT?

NEW JERSEY IS AN ELBOWS OUT POLITICS KIND OF STATE AND EVERY ONE IS ACCUSTOMED TO THAT.

YOU GO BEHIND DOORS WITH THE GOVERNOR AND YOU COME OUT AND THERE IS A PLAN AND NOBODY ELSE WAS IN THE ROOM WHERE IT HAPPENED.

DO HURLING ACCUSATIONS SELL?

I THINK PEOPLE TOLD THAT PART OF IT OUT.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF THAT.

I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS REJECT THAT.

I THINK WHAT THEY DO FOCUS ON OUR SPECIFICS.

PARTICULARLY IN A PRIMARY THERE IS A MUCH MORE INTELLIGENT ELECTORATE .

HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE SORTING THROUGH THE NOISE AND FOCUSING ON HOW IT WILL IMPACT ME ?

THE DENSE CONVERSATION ABOUT FINANCES , TAX POLICY WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE WEEDS ON FINANCE .

IT IS HARD TO COMMUNICATE THAT MESSAGE.

THE WHOLE QUESTION OF TAXES JACK COME ACROSS AS RAISING TAXES AS SHE SUGGESTED OR NOT?

THAT IS THE MESSAGE THAT PRIMARY VOTER WILL FOCUS ON.

IN A REPUBLICAN PRIMARY WE HAVE A CONSERVATIVE AUDIENCE , TAX POLICY IS NUMBER ONE.

IN THIS CASE TO HEAR THEM TALK ABOUT TAXES, ESPECIALLY THE CORPORATE BUSINESS TAX WHICH JACK CIATTARELLI SAID HE WOULD GET RID OF AND THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR DID NOT SEEM TO GIVE QUITE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER .

THAT IS TRUE.

TAXES ARE A MAIN ISSUE GENERALLY RIGHT NOW .

THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE CARE ABOUT.

AGAIN, I THINK THERE ARE SUBTLE DIFFERENCES IN TERMS OF WHAT THE ECONOMIC PLANS ARE.

I THINK IT IS HARD FOR FOLKS TO DIVE TO DEEP IN THE DETAILS.

YOU ARE WITH US DURING THE DEMOCRATIC BAY , GIVE US REVIEWS GOING FORWARD .

I THINK TAXES WILL BE THE ISSUE.

IN THE LAST DEBATE THEY COULD NOT FIND A TAX THEY DID NOT WANT TO RAISE.

IN THIS CASE THEY BOTH TALK ABOUT THOSE THEY WANT TO CUT.

I HAVE HEARD A LOT OF PROMISES, I AM VERY SPECIFIC -- INTERESTED IN HEARING SPECIFICS .

LET'S GO TO OUR DIGITAL NEWSROOM .

WE DID GET RESULTS BACK AND WERE ASKED A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, ONE IS WHO WOULD YOU VOTE FOR TODAY?

THIS IS HARDLY SCIENTIFIC, IT IS QUITE UNSCIENTIFIC .

IN TERMS OF THE ENERGY YOU COULD GET FROM THIS DEBATE, JACK CIATTARELLI FANS CLEARLY WERE THE ONE SPEAKING UP.

HE OUTPOLLED KIM GUADAGNO 63- 20, WITH 70 UNDECIDED .

IN TERMS OF THE ISSUES MOST IMPORTANTLY TO YOU WERE PROPERTY IN TERMS OF THE ISSUES MOST IMPORTANTLY TO YOU WERE PROPERTY TAXES, EDUCATION, AND TRANSPORTATION AND PENSION.

WITH THE DEMOCRATIC DEBATE LAST WEEK EDUCATION WAS THE PREDOMINANT ISSUE .

THANK YOU, JOHN .

WHAT DOES THAT SIGNAL IF ANYTHING?

A HUGE 63-20% MARGIN .

IT COULD JUST MEAN THERE WERE MORE JACK CIATTARELLI SUPPORTERS LOGGING IN.

I DO THINK IT CAPTURES A LITTLE BIT OF THE ENERGY THAT WE SAW IN THE DEBATE.

I HAVE CERTAINLY SEEN IT IN TERMS OF WHAT I HAVE SEEN FROM MY OWN SOCIAL MEDIA .

YOU KNOW, I DO NOT DISAGREE, BUT I THINK IN MY OWN MIND HOW DOES THIS TRANSLATE INTO THE PRIMARY VOTER THAT WILL TURN OUT?

HAVE THEY SEEN THIS ?

HAVE THEY DUG INTO IT?

I KNOW THAT POLL WAS NOT FFICIAL, THE POINT IS WHO LOOKED AT THIS DEBATE?

WHO WILL DIG INTO THIS IN-DEPTH TAX PLAN TO SAY WE WILL RAISE THE MILLIONAIRE TAX AND RAISE THE SALES TAX, AND CUT OTHER TAXES HERE AND THERE .

ROGER, IF YOU WERE ADVISING JACK CIATTARELLI AFTER THIS DEBATE WHAT WOULD YOU TELL THEM TO DO IF ANYTHING?

TRY TO COMMUNICATE YOUR MESSAGE ANYWAY WHERE PEOPLE DO NOT THINK YOU ARE RAISING TAXES .

KIM GUADAGNO?

KEEP ON YOUR MESSAGE .

NO NEW TAXES IS THE MESSAGE .

SHE KEPT TALKING ABOUT THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN .

HOW DID SHE DO IN TERMS OF SEPARATING HERSELF FROM A GOVERNOR?

I THINK THAT SHE IS DOING A DECENT JOB.

PART OF HIS -- THIS IS AN POSSIBILITY .

FRANKLY SHE HAS NOT HAD HER OWN VOICE.

I THINK WHEN SHE FOCUSES ON HER RECORD, PARTICULARLY ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, I THINK THAT IS WHERE SHE SHINES .

I THINK SHE HAS DEFINED HERSELF IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND THE LARGER COMMUNITY ABOUT CREATING JOBS AND CUTTING THROUGH RED TAPE AND BUREAUCRACY .

ROGER, YOU DOING -- YOU HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME .

HE TAUGHT ME THAT WERE 20 YEARS , BACK IN THOSE DAYS WE USED THE 1973 BRANDON BIRD ADD ABOUT HOW HE WAS GOING TO LOWER PROPERTY TAXES .

THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE FLAVOR.

I HAVE NOT SURE THE SOLUTION IS IN THEIR I HAVE NOT SURE THE SOLUTION IS IN THEIR IT IS THE ABILITY TO BOTH CANDIDATES TOGETHER AT THE FIRST TIME AND TO REALLY TRULY MEASURE.

HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL PUT EYEBALLS AND EARS ONTO THIS IS THE TRUE MEASURE ?

IT HELPS THE CANDIDATES AS WELL .

DOES.

EGG PRIMARY IS A VERY GOOD WARM-UP EFFORT TO THE GENERAL ELECTION.

CANDIDATES THAT SLIP THROUGH A PRIMARY WITH LITTLE OR NO OPPOSITION ARE BAD GENERAL ELECTION CANDIDATES.

THIS IS A GOOD TEST .

ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE YOU IN THE STUDIO WITH US.

OF COURSE YOU WILL BE WITH US THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER AND WE WILL SEE YOU IN OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER .

TWO AND HALF WEEKS FROM TODAY, TUESDAY, JUNE 6 IS THE DAY REGISTERED VOTERS WILL GO TO THE POLE TO DECIDE THE PARTIES FOR EVERYONE AT NJTV AND NJ SPOTLIGHT, THANK YOU FOR WATCHING AND HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.