AFTER THE KIRK MURDER, A THREATENED CRACKDOWN ON DISSENT.

A MAGA SPLIT OVER IMMIGRANTION.

ARE HIGHLY SKILLED FOREIGNERS TAKING JOBS FROM AMERICANS?

AND SPORTS GAMBLING AND PROP BETS.

ARE THEY TOO TEMPTING AND TOO FAST?

STAY TUNED FOR "IVORY TOWER."

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO IVORY TOWER.

I'M DAVID CHANATRY, FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

I'M JOINED THIS WEEK BY CHAD SPARBER FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY, JENNY STROMER GALLEY FROM SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY, MICHAEL TILLOTSON FROM SUNY CORTLAND, AND RICK FENNER FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

THE REPERCUSSIONS FROM THE MURDER OF CHARLIE KIRK CONTINUE TO BE FELT, PERHAPS MOST NOTABLY WITH THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND OF THE PRESS.

PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID NEWSCASTERS WITH OVERWHELMINGLY NEGATIVE COVERAGE OF HIM SHOULD LOSE THEIR LICENSES.

FCC CHAIRMAN BRENDAN CARR IS THREATENING BROADCASTERS OVER CONTENT HE SAYS VIOLATES THE PUBLIC INTEREST.

TRUMP ALSO ISSUED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER DECLARING ANTIFA TO BE A DOMESTIC TERRORIST ORGANIZATION, WHILE HIS DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF STEPHEN MILLER VOWED TO UPROOT AND DISMANTLE LIBERAL GROUPS.

MICHAEL, IS THIS A NEW MCCARTHYISM, AN ATTEMPT TO QUASH DISSENT?

>> YOU HAD ME WAXING NOSTALGIC IN THE SENSE THAT I RECEIVED A CLASSIC LIBERAL ARTS EDUCATION IN BLOOMINGTON, INDIANA.

MURRAY SPEER BER, HE WAS RUN OUT OF TOWN FOR DRY CRITIQUING BOBBY KNIGHT.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE HOUSE AMERICANS ACTION TIFFTS AND THE JUNIOR SENATOR JOSEPH McCARTHY WHO TRIED TO MAKE A NAME OF HIMSELF AS A DEMOCRAT.

THERE IS NOTHING NEW TO SOME DEGREE ABOUT THE MOTIVES AND THE AGENDA.

I THINK ABOUT BARRY GOLDWATER, HIS PSYCHOLOGY IN THE EARLY SIXTH.

EXTREMISM IN THE DEFENSE OF LIBERTY IS NO VICE AND AND I THINK ABOUT THE SOUTHERN STRATEGY.

THE G.O.P.

'S ELECTORAL TRAGEDY STRATEGY TO INCREASE POLITICAL SUPPORT AMONG SOUTHERN WHITE VOTERS BY APPEALING TO THE RACIALIZED INSTINCTS OF CERTAIN PEOPLE IN THE INDIA'S SOUTH AGAINST BLACK AMERICAN INTERESTS.

I THINK ABOUT THE NIXON ADMINISTRATION, REAGAN REVOLUTION AND ITS CODED LANGUAGE FOR WELFARE QUEENS AND NEWT GINGRICH IN THE 104th AND 105th CONGRESS WITH AMERICA WHICH IS ACTUALLY A CONTRACT WITH AMERICA HYPERBOLIC OVER THE TOP INVECTIVE LANGUAGE WHICH BECAME NORMATIVE.

THERE IS A LONG HISTORY OF DISCOURSE BUT NOW IT'S WEAPONIZED IN PLAIN VIEW BY THINGS LIKE THE FCC, THE D.O.J.

AND THE FBI WHICH IS PROBLEMATIC FOR A FULLY FUNCTIONING DEMOCRACY IN MY VIEW.

>> JENNY.

>> SPEAK ON, BROTHER.

SERIOUSLY.

I'M REALLY, REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE STATE OF OUR DEMOCRACY RIGHT NOW.

I THINK WE ARE IN A NEW McCARTHYISM, SPECIFICALLY THE LANGUAGE, RIGHT?

WHEN YOU HAVE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, HIS VICE PRESIDENT, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, ALL BASICALLY DECLARING THAT PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE THE ADMINISTRATION AND ITS POLICIES ARE ENEMIES OF THE GOVERNMENT, THAT IS REALLY DANGEROUS.

>> OKAY, BUT IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, MICHAEL, YOU ARE SAYING THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON.

THIS IS NOTHING NEW.

SO WHY IS IT WORSE NOW?

I'M ASKING WHY IS IT WORSE NOW?

>> I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIMENSIONS.

ONE IS THE INTENSITY OF THE LANGUAGE.

THE LEVEL OF DEHUMANIZATION WE SEE GOING BACK TO THE CAMPAIGN AND THE DECLARATION THAT IMMIGRANTS ARE EATING DOGS AND CATS IS A DEHUMANIZING RHETORIC AND IT IS PERVASIVE ACROSS THE LEADERSHIP RIGHT NOW, WHICH I THINK IS A BIT DIFFERENT.

>> WHEN I THINK OF McCARTHYISM, I THINK ABOUT OBSESSION WITH AN IDEOLOGY AND AS WE HAVE SAID ON THE SHOW BEFORE, I DON'T KNOW AN IDEOLOGY BEHIND TRUMPISM.

I SEE A LINE FROM BAD LANDS BY BRUCE SPRINGE TEEN, POOR MAN WANTS TO BE RICH, RICH KING WANTS IS NOT SATISFIED UNTIL HE RULES EVERYTHING.

THIS FITS TRUMP TO A ACTEE.

HE WANTS TO RULE EVERYTHING.

THIS IS A PAGE OUT OF THE AUTHORITARIAN PLAYBOOK AND SO I THINK THAT IS VERY DANGEROUS.

AND THE PEOPLE WHO CAN BE YOU KNOW, THE CHECKS AND BALANCES, WHETHER IT BE CONGRESS OR THE COURTS, HAVE SHOWN AN INABILITY AND UNWILLINGNESS TO TAKE HIM ON.

>> I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE NOTHING NEW HERE POINT AND I APOLOGIZE FOR PIVOTING THIS TO ACADEMIA.

BUT IF YOU GO BACK TO THE BIDEN ERA.

CONSERVATIVES WERE RIGHT TO CRITICIZE ACADEMIA'S CRACKDOWN ON ACADEMIC FREEDOM AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH TO ARGUE UNIVERSITIES HAD'SED BEING CENTER OF IDEA EXCHANGE AND INSTEAD HAD BECOME LEFT WING ECHO CHAMBERS.

THE MEDIAN VOTER WAS ON BOARD WITH THAT NARRATIVE.

THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S RESPONSE HAS BEEN REPREHENSIBLE.

YOU KNOW, ALLEGATION-- IT HAS BEEN AN EQUAL AND OPPOSITE ATTACK ON CRITICS OF THE RIGHT STARTING WITH DEPORTING STUDENT PROTESTORS AND OF COURSE WITH THE KIMMEL STUFF IN THE NEWS RIGHT NOW AND SO IT'S SUPER FRUSTRATING TO ME THAT FOR THIS BRIEF PERIOD, CONSERVATIVES HAD THE UPPER MORAL HAND AND NOW TRUMP HAS BLOWN IT.

>> THE DIFFERENCE HERE ALSO, IS THAT THIS IS THE STATE NOW CRACKING DOWN, RIGHTS?

INSTITUTIONS, COLGATE UNIVERSITY, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO... >> IT IS AND LET ME SAY.

I DO THINK IT'S REFRESHING TO SEE THAT SOME PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT ARE FIGHTING BACK AGAINST THIS.

S AT THE CRUZ CALLING CARR'S THREATS DANGEROUS AS HELL.

MEGHAN KELLY CALLING BONDY'S COMMENTS RIDICULOUS.

TUCKER CARLSON SAYING CHARLIE KIRK WOULD NOT WANT THIS AT ALL.

THIS IS THERE IS REFRESHING PUSH BACK FROM THE RIGHT.

>> THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF DATA FROM THE SO CALLED LEFT WING TAKEOVER.

>> YOU MENTIONED THE KIMMEL THING AND IT HAS BEEN REVERSED.

WHAT IS BEHIND THAT.

IS ABC SHOWING SPINE OR IS THIS A MATTER OF WORRYING ABOUT THEIR BOTTOM LINE?

>> STOCK PRICE DROPPED.

>> STOCK PRICE DROPPED.

>> I THINK YOU SAID LAST WEEK YOU WERE GOING TO SELL YOURS.

>> I DID SELL.

>> IT IS INTERESTING BECAUSE THERE HAD BEEN SOME ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAD BEEN MORE ACTIVE AT ORGANIZING PROTESTS AGAINST THESE ACTIVITIES BUT THEY'RE CURRENTLY UNDER INVESTIGATION OR BEING THREATENED SO MEDIA MATTERS, FOR EXAMPLE, IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS PUSHED IN THE PAST AGAINST THESE KINDS OF INITIATIVES BUT MEDIA MATTERS HAS BEEN VERY QUIET TO ORGANIZE A SPECIFIC BOYCOTT AGAINST ABC AND DISNEY.

>> AND DON'T FORGET, 6.4 MILLION VIEWERS OPPOSED TO 1.5 ON AN AVERAGE NIGHT.

SO A LOT OF EYEBALLS, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY MADE ITS WAY TO ABC, EVEN WITH ABOUT 20% OF THEIR AFFILIATES NO THE CARRYING IT SO THIS MAY NOT BE A BAD BUSINESS DECISION EITHER.

>> ON THAT POINT THOUGH, WHAT IS REALLY AMAZING TO ME IS BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MUCH CONGLOMERATE OWNERSHIP OF BROADCAST STATIONS, OUR MEDIA MARKET WASN'T ABLE TO WATCH KIMMEL BECAUSE NEXT STAR IS CONSERVATIVE OWNED AND THEY CONTINUE TO CHOOSE TO BOYCOTT.

>> NEXT STAR AND SINCLAIR WHICH IS A PRETTY CONSERVATIVE STATION GROUP, STILL NOT PUT HIM ON.

>> AND FOR THOSE OF YOU INTERESTED IN THE SUBJECT, DON'T FORGET TALKING ABOUT DAVID HALPASSA.M.

'S WORK.

THE 50s.

HE DOES A GREAT JOB OF IT AND TOM BROKAW WROTE A BOOK CALLED THE GREATEST GENERATION.

>> YOU SAID MEDIA MATTERS HAS BEEN QUIET.

HAVE SEE WE SEEN A CHILLING EFFECT ON SPEECH BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE A CONCERN?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THIS GOES BACK TO THE GEORGE STEPHANOPOLIS CENSORSHIP, YOU KNOW, THE THREATS TO SUE THE MEDIA IF THEY GET THEIR FACTS SLIGHTLY OFF, WRONG.

I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, YES, IT'S CLEAR THAT THESE ARE MULTI--- COMPANIES WITH MULTIPLE INTERESTS THAT ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR BOTTOM LINE AND THEY ARE CAVING TO SOME PRESSURES.

>> WHAT WORRIES ME IS THAT I'M CONCERNED WHEN I LOOK AT SOCIAL MEDIA AND WHAT IS HAPPENING, I MEAN I KNOW MYSELF AM MUCH MORE CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT WHAT I'M SAYING RIGHT NOW AND I WORRY THAT YOU HAVE MORE MODERATE VOICES CHOOSING TO BE QUIET RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH ANIMOSITY AND WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE MODERATE VOICES CHIMING INTO THESE DISCUSSIONS, THEN ALL THAT'S LEFT ARE THE EXTREMES.

>> AND REALLY FAST WE GO BACK TO JANUARY 20, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SAID IN HIS FIRST SPEECH FOR TWO MINUTES AND 12 SECONDS.

THERE WILL BE NO CENSORSHIP IN THIS COUNTRY.

HE SAID IT FIRST DAY IN OFFICE.

SO THE HYPOCRISY IS FRIGHTENING.

>> THE VICE PRESIDENT, AFTER THE KIRK MURDER SAID THAT PEOPLE WHO HE SAID WERE CELEBRATING WHAT HAD HAPPENED, THAT THEY SHOULD LOSE THEIR JOBS AND THAT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO LOOK FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE, YOU KNOW, ON SOCIAL MEDIA,.

>> CANCEL CULTURE FROM THE RIGHT.

THEY COMPLAINED SO MUCH AND AS CHAD SAID, WITH SOME JUSTIFICATION WHEN IN THIS WAS HAPPENING WHEN THE LEFT WAS GOING THROUGH IT AND NOW THAT THEY'RE IN THE POSITION THEY'RE IN NOW, THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM... >> PART OF IT BOTHERS MY CONSCIOUS A LITTLE BIT LETTER.

IF IT'S LEGITIMATE LET'S CELEBRATE THE DEATH OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING AND YOU LOSE YOUR JOB, OKAY BUT THEY'RE USING IT AS PRETENSE.

JIMMY KIMMEL DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE.

>> THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS PUTTING UP A MIRROR AND SAYING WE HAVE SYSTEMIC SEXISM IN SOCIETY, THINKING ABOUT THE ME TOO MOVEMENT, FOR EXAMPLE.

THAT'S PRIVATE PEOPLE BASICALLY SAYING THERE IS A PROBLEM HERE.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE GOVERNMENT WHO IS ACTIVELY PERSECUTING PEOPLE BECAUSE OF MESSAGES THEY DON'T LIKE.

>> TRUMP SAYS IF YOU CRITICIZE ME, YOU LOSE YOUR LICENSE.

HOW CAN YOU... >> HE SAID YOU KNOW, IF-- HE WAS USING AN EXAMPLE IF THE EVENING NEWS CAST, THEY'RE 97% AGAINST ME.

SO HE IS NOT QUITE SAYING ANY CRITICISM.

>> IF LOOK AT A COUPLE OF HIS LINES, IT SEEMS PRETTY CLEAR.

>> USING AN EQUAL TIME ARGUMENT WHICH IS NOT AN AUGMENTIVE THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE.

>> SINCE THE 80s.

>> WITH ALL THIS AND WHAT BRENDAN CARR THE FCC, THERE IS A PUBLIC INTEREST STANDARD THAT HE IS FALLING BACK ON THERE, THAT BECAUSE IT'S BROADCASTING AND USES THE SPECTRUM, THERE IS, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BROADCAST IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST.

NOW HOW THAT IS DEFINED, OF COURSE.

>> THIS MOMENT MAKES McCARTHYISM LOOK LIKE CHILDS PLAY.

>> WE'LL LEAVE THAT RIGHT THERE AND MOVE ON.

THE POPULIST AND BIG-TECH WINGS OF THE MAGA MOVEMENT SPLIT WHEN IT COMES TO THE USE OF H-1B VISAS.

THESE VISAS ALLOW COMPANIES TO BRING IN SKILLED FOREIGNERS TO WORK IN THIS COUNTRY.

LAST WEEK PRESIDENT TRUMP CAST HIS LOT WITH THE POPULISTS, ORDERING COMPANIES TO PAY 100 THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR EACH NEW VISA.

TRUMP SAYS IT WILL HELP AMERICAN WORKERS BY ELIMINATING FOREIGN COMPETITION AND PREVENTING COMPANIES FROM SUPPRESSING WAGES.

THE WALL STREET JOURNAL ARTICLE ON THE SUBJECT CITED A STUDY BY NONE OTHER THAN PROFESSOR SPARBER.

CHAD, SHOULD THERE BE A HEFTY FEE ATTACHED TO THE VISAS?

>> WELL, NO.

LET ME SAY THAT IT IS NOT CONTRADICTORY TO SAY BOTH THAT THE H1B PROGRAM HAS BEEN AN IMPORTANT TOOL FOR FUELING U.S.

INNOVATION AND PRODUCTIVITY AND ALSO THAT THERE ARE FLAWS WITH IT THAT CAN BE ADJUSTED.

JUST ABOUT EVERY COMPLAINT THAT PEOPLE HAVE IDENTIFIED WITH THE PROGRAM, THINGS LIKE IT'S UNDERCUTTING WAGES, OR THAT IT CAUSES FIRMS TO USE OUTSOURCING SERVICES, ALL THAT CAN BE SOLVED BY CHANGING THE ALLOCATION SYSTEM, THE WAY THAT WE ALLOCATE THE H1B STATUS.

RIGHT NOW WE DO THAT WITH A RANDOM LOTTERY, SUPER INEFFICIENT AND WASTEFUL.

TRUMP'S IMPULSES TO PRIORITIZE THE APPLICANTS WHO HAVE THE HIGHEST WAGE OFFERS, WHO HAVE THE HIGHEST SKILLS, THAT'S RIGHT.

HIS IMPULSE TO RAISE THE FEE, THAT CAN SOLVE SOME OF THE INEFFICIENCIES.

BUT $100,000?

NO.

$100,000 IS CLEARLY AN ATTEMPT TO KILL THE PROGRAM.

THAT'S FOOLISH.

SOMETHING LIKE AN AUCTION SYSTEM WOULD BE MUCH BETTER AT ACHIEVING THE GOALS AND KEEPING... >> HOW MUCH, IF THERE WERE AN AUCTION, WHAT WOULD BE REASONABLE?

>> THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF AN AUCTION IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PRICE IS.

THE MARKET WILL TELL US THROUGH THE AUCTION PROCESS.

>> NOW ARE COMPANIES DOING WHAT THE CRITICS SAY, THEY'RE USING THIS TO KEEP WAGES DOWN?

>> WELL THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION.

I WAS GOING TO ASK CHAD, AT 85,000 A IS THAT ENOUGH TO REALLY HAVE A DEPRESSING IMPACT?

NOW I KNOW MANY OF THOSE WORKERS GO IN CERTAIN INDUSTRIES.

BUT IS IT REALLY THE FACT THAT THEY ARE SIGNIFICANTLY DEPRESSING WAGES FOR AMERICAN WORKERS?

>> THE ANSWER TO THAT, OKAY IS 85,000 ENOUGH?

I WOULD SAY THAT ABOUT TWO-THIRDS OF THE GROWTH OF THE STEM, SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY, ENGINEERING, MATHEMATICS WORKFORCE, TWO-THIRDS OF THE STEM GROWTH IN THE UNITED STATES COMES FROM FOREIGN WORKERS SO THEY ARE A LARGE CHUNK OF THAT.

THERE IS A PAPER BY VERY GOOD ECONOMISTS WHO ARGUE THAT THE STEM INFLOW HAS DECREASED THE RATE AT WHICH COMPUTER SCIENCE WAGES HAVE GONE UP IN AMERICA.

BUT ONE OF THE AUTHORS OF THAT PAPER, LIKE HAS A QUOTE IN THE CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR THAT SAYS IT BENEFITS ALMOST EVERY OTHER AMERICAN WORKER IN THE ECONOMY.

SO AND-- >> PROTECTIONIST POLICIES ALWAYS HAVE THAT EFFECT, RIGHT?

THEY PROTECT ONE GROUP AT THE EXPENSE OF EVERYONE ELSE.

>> BUT THERE IS A FALLACY.

THE IDEA THAT IF WE CLOSE THE BORDER TO THESE FOREIGNERS COMING IN, WE ARE PROTECTING OURSELVES FROM COMPETITION AS IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE COMPETING WITH US IN INDIA OR AUSTRALIA OR CANADA OR... >> CHINA SAID THEY'RE NOW TRYING TO COURT THESE WORKERS.

>> THE TWO ECONOMISTS GOING BACK AND FORTH, EXCITING.

SO THERE COULD BE OTHER UNANTICIPATED CONSEQUENCES FROM SOMETHING LIKE THIS, MICHAEL, IS THAT A CONCERN?

>> I THINK WE GO BACK TO THE EARLY DAYS OF THE IMMIGRATION ACT IN 1990 WHEN H1B VISAS CAME INTO THE FOLD.

IT HAD GOOD INTENTIONS BUT TURNED INTO A GIANT LOOPHOLE WITH CASCADING EFFECTS ON THE AMERICAN WORKER, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PROBLEMATIC EASIER LAYOFFS, REDUCED BARGAINING POWER, TO SOME DEGREE WAGE SUPPRESSION, EROSION OF JOB SECURITY, GENERAL POSSIBILITIES FOR JOB DIGS PLACEMENT AND EXPLOITATION OF VULNERABLE PEOPLE THAT LEAVE THEM UNDERPAID AND OVER WORKED.

IT HAS TURNED INTO A VERY PROBLEMATIC IDEA.

>> JENNY.

>> SO THINKING ABOUT OTHER UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS GOING TO BE QUITE IMPACTFUL IS THE IMPLICATIONS FOR UNIVERSITIES.

SO MOST UNIVERSITIES IN THE UNITED STATES HAVE STEM PROGRAMS.

THEY HAVE SCIENCE, COMPUTER SCIENCE, MY COLLEGE INFORMATION STUDIES, WE LARGELY EDUCATE INTRM STUDENTS AT THE MASTERS LEVEL.

THOSE INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS TYPICALLY PAY MOST OF THE COST OF TUITION WHEN THEY COME ON THE HOPES THAT THEY WILL GET THE H1B VISA WHEN THEY GET A JOB AND ARE ABLE TO STAY AND WORK IN THE COUNTRY FOR A HEARD OF TIME AND PAY OFF THE INCREDIBLE DEBT THEY AND THEIR FAMILIES HAVE PAID TO COME TO THE UNITED STATES.

SO THERE IS A WHOLE OTHER IMPLICATION HERE WHICH WILL AFFECT THE EDUCATION SYSTEM IN THE UNITED STATES AROUND STEM, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT INFLUX OF PEOPLE WHO WANT THAT EDUCATION.

>> I HAVE WRITTEN ON BOTH OF THESE TOPICS.

ON YOUR END, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS HAPPENED WHEN THE H1B CAP DECREASED FROM LIKE 195,000 DOWN TO 58,000,-- 85,000, THE QUALITY OR ABILITY OF STUDENTS WHO WANTED TO STUD NECESSITY AMERICA WENT DOWN BECAUSE THEY HAD OPPORTUNITIES TO GO OTHER PLACES.

I HAVE COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE WRITTEN A PAPER CALLED SETTLING FOR ACADEMIA.

THAT ARGUES WHEN THE LABOR MARKET IS CLOSED TO THE HUNTER LOBUR CUMMIN H1B WORKERS, THEY END UP WORKING FOR ACADEMIA BECAUSE WE ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE SAME CAP.

AND THE EXPLOITATION ANGLE, AS LONG AS THE MARKETS ARE COMPETITIVE, WORKERS ARE GOING TO BE PAID APPROPRIATELY.

THE PROBLEM WITH H1B IS THAT IT IS A STEP TOWARD GETTING GREEN CARD AND PERMANENT STATUS IN THE U.S.

AND YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO UPSET AN EMPLOYER BY LIKE TESTING THE JOB MARKET AND YOU NEED THAT EMPLOYER'S SUPPORT.

>> IF PEOPLE CAN'T COME HERE FOR THOSE JOBS, WOULD THE JOBS GO THERE?

>> BRETTA GLENNON'S RESEARCH SAYS YES, MULTINATIONAL CORP RAWINGSES SET UP IN VANCOUVER OR NID SYDNEY.

>> THERE COULD BE A BRAIN DRAIN FROM THE UNITED STATES AND THESE VERY TALENTED PEOPLE WILL GO TO A MAJOR COMPETITOR OF OURS >> SEVERAL STATES AND SOME SPORTS LEAGUES ARE CONSIDERING RESTRICTING OR EVEN BANNING PROP BETS.

THOSE ARE THE BETS ON INDIVIDUAL PERFORMANCES OR EVEN SPECIFIC PLAYS, OFTEN PLACED DURING THE GAME.

THIS KIND OF BETTING CAN LEAD TO CORRUPTING PLAYERS.

AND COMBINED WITH THE EASE OF BETTING ON YOUR PHONE, THEY CAN ALSO LEAD TO COMPULSIVE GAMBLING.

NEW YORK AND 14 OTHER STATES BAN PROP BETS ON COLLEGE SPORTS.

RICK, SHOULD THEY DO THE SAME FOR THE PROS?

>> I THINK THE MAIN PROBLEM WITH PROP BETS HAS TO DO WITH THE INTEGRITY OF THE GAME.

BETS ON INDIVIDUALS TO UNDERTOMORROW-- TO UNDER PERFORM.

IF AN NBA PLAYER IS PROJECTED ON AVERAGE TO HAVE FIVE REBOUNDS A GAME, AND YOU BET ON THAT PLAYER TO HAVE LESS THAN FIVE REBOUNDS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS VERY MUCH UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE PLAYER AND SO THERE IS THE CASE NOW WHERE A PLAYER WAS-- THERE IS A LOT OF ACTIVITY ON THEM UNDERPERFORMING AND AFTER 10 MINUTES, THEY WALKED OFF THE COURT AND DIDN'T PLAY THE REST OF THE GAME.

TURNING ALL THOSE BETS INTO WINNERS.

THE OTHER IS BETS ON SMALL OR INCONSEQUENTIAL EVENTS SUCH AS A SINGLE PITCH.

TWO CLEVELAND GUARDIAN PITCHERS ARE UNDER SUSPENSION BECAUSE THERE WAS AN AMOUNT OF BETTING THAT SHOWED UP ON ONE OF THEIR PITCHES AND THE PITCHER PITCHED A BALL AND THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THEY WERE INVOLVED IN CHANGING THE BEHAVIOR.

SO THESE KINDS OF BETS ARE VERY SUSCEPTIBLE TO MANIPULATION.

>> AND THOSE CASES THEY WERE BAD BALLS, LIKE THEY THREW IT IN THE DIRT OR WHATEVER.

>> IF THEY HAD BEEN MORE CAREFUL, MAYBE WE WOULDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.

SO WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY TO WHAT EXTENT IT'S HAPPENING BUT THESE BETS ARE VERY EASILY TO BE MANIPULATED.

>> I WONDER-- I KNOW YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF THE GAME, BUT PEOPLE ARE PLACING THESE BETS AND THERE HAS GOT TO BE SOME ISSUE WITH THEM.

>> YEAH, I'M LESS WORRIED ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF THE GAME ISSUE AT THE PRO-LEVEL.

AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL WHERE THIS IS MORE WIDELY BANNED, I DO WORRY ABOUT YOUNG ATHLETES WHO ARE POOR AND MORE VULNERABLE TO EXPLOITATION.

BUT FOR BANNING PRO-BETS, LESS CONCERNED EVEN THOUGH I RECOGNIZE THE ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE SPOKEN OF.

FROM A SOCIAL PERSPECTIVE, SPORTS BETTING APPS ARE DESIGNED TO DELIVER THESE QUICK AND REPEATED HITS OF DOPAMINE WHICH IS SUPER ADDICTIVE AND A RECIPE FOR FINANCIAL RUIN.

AND SO IF YOU CAN LIMIT THESE COMPULSIVE SPONTANEOUS BETS, I THINK YOU ARE PROBABLY IMPROVING HUMAN WELFARE.

>> MICHAEL.

>> JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT IT COULDN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN PETE ROSE, PROP BETTING EMERGES IN THE SENSE OF GAMBLING AND ADDICTION AND FINANCIAL RUIN.

WE THINK ABOUT TO RICK'S POINT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROP PLAYER, PLAYER PROP BETTING AND TEAM AND NOVELTY PROP BETTING, PLAYER PROP BETTING IS THE MOST INSIDIOUS.

NOW YOU HAVE PEOPLE FAKING INJURIES, PEOPLE ARE PUTTING FORTH LACK LUSTER EFFORTS AND BECOMING CONVENIENTLY ILL FROM TIME TO TIME.

SO FOR ME IT'S PROBLEMATIC.

AND I SEE KIDS IN THE HAM WAYS OF MY COLLEGE DOING IT ALL ALL THE TIME AND DAY TRADING AT THE SAME TIME.

THIS IS A DIFFERENT WORLD TO SOME DEGREE.

BUT I THINK TO BE FUNNY BUT NOT FUNNY, I MEAN WHAT IS NEXT?

BETTING ON SURGEONS AND OPERATIONS?

WHERE DOES THIS ALL END?

>> WELL, SOME, YOU KNOW, UNREGULATED MAJORITIES, MIGHT BE YEAH, YOU CAN PROBABLY DO THAT.

JENNY.

>> WELL, SO, IT IS HUMAN BEHAVIOR TO HAVE FUN AND PLAY AND PART OF HAVING FUN AND PLAYING IS BETTING.

I MEAN I THINK THERE IS PART OF WHY WE DO PROP BETTING IS BECAUSE IT'S EXCITING.

THE APPS, AS YOU SAID, CHAD, THEY'RE QUITE ADDICTIVE.

YOU GET THAT DOPAMINE HIT.

YOU ARE WATCHING THE GAME AT A DIFFERENT LEVEL, RIGHT?

YOU ARE NOT BETTING ON THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME.

YOU ARE BETTING ON INDIVIDUAL MOMENTS IN THE GAME WHICH IS A VERY DIFFERENT SORT OF STRATEGY, WHICH GOES BACK TO HOW WE DO FANTASY FOOTBALL AND, RIGHT, SO THAT CULTURE, I THINK, ENJOYS THE FUN THAT COMES FROM THIS, BUT I REALLY WORRY.

I'M QUITE CONCERNED THE NUMBER OF STATES THAT ACTUALLY HAVEN'T BANNED THIS, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR COLLEGE ATHLETES, IT'S ONLY 15 STATES THAT HAVE BANNED PROP BETTING ON COLLEGE ATHLETES AND THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME.

>> I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP FANTASY FOOTBALL BECAUSE IN A WAY THAT'S PROP BETTING.

IT'S BETTING ON THE INDIVIDUAL PLAYER PERFORMANCE AND YOU COULD GET PLAYERS THAT ARE PAID TO THROW A GAME IF THEY NEED TO.

BUT I THINK THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IT'S NOT SPONTANEOUS.

>> WE WILL LEAVE THAT THERE AND GO TO OUR AS AND FS.

CHAD.

>> DON'T REMEMBER IT.

SINCLAIR MEDIA AND NEXTSTAR MEDIA GROUP OWN SENT AFFILIATES IN THE U.S.

INCLUDING SYRACUSE WSYR 9.

AS MENTIONED IN THE FIRST SEGMENT, THEY DECLINED TO AIR JIMMY KIMMEL'S RETURN WITH NEXSTAR SAYING THEY'RE CONTINUING TO EVALUATE THE STATUS OF THE SHOW.

QUIT WATCHING THEIR STATIONS.

FIND ALTERNATIVE WAYS TO WATCH KIMMEL, GOOD MORNING AMERICA AND OTHER ABC PROGRAMS.

NEXSTAR DOESN'T DESERVE THE AD DOLLARS GENERATED BY YOUR VIEWERSHIP.

>> JENNY.

>> BLAME RONALD REAGAN.

MY F GOES TO THE RECENT AGREEMENT FOR GROK TO BE A PREFERRED A.I.

CHAT BOT TECHNOLOGY FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

GROK IS ELON MUSK'S EFFORTS TO COMPETE IN THE A.I.

MARKETPLACE.

YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF GROK GOING OFF THE RAILS CALLING ITSELF MECM HITLER AND DECLARING FALSELY WHITE GENOCIDE IN SOUTH AFRICA.

I ANTICIPATE FUTURE WITH THE CHAT THAT MY SOCIAL SECURITY HAS BEEN REDIRECTED TO RESEARCH ON A 5G AND CANCER.

>> YOU TELL 'EM SISTER.

>> I THINK ABOUT MY F IN TERMS OF THE EDUCATION LOAN COMPANIES AND THEIR NEW REGARDS INFLECTIONIBLE LOAN PAYMENT PROGRAMS THAT THEY'RE ROLLING OUT THAT ARE GOING TO DAMAGE THE FUTURES OF YOUNG AMERICANS.

>> RICK.

>> I'M SORRY BY MY F GOES TO ALMOST EVERYTHING DONALD TRUMP SAID OR DID THIS WEEK.

FROM HIS REMARKS AT CHARLIE KIRK'S MEMORIAL.

I HATE MY OPPONENTS TO FALSELY SUGGESTING THAT TYLENOL CAUSES AUTISM, HIS EMBARRASSING RANT AT THE U.N., YOUR COUNTRIES ARE GOING TO HELL, TO PRESSURIZING THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO INDICT JAMES COMEY AND FLOATING A $20 BILLION BAILOUT TO ARGENTINA BECAUSE HE LIKES THEIR PRESIDENT AFTER SLASHING BILLIONS OF FOREIGN AID FOR GLOBAL HEALTH INITIATIVES AND PROMOTING DEMOCRACY.

>> THE ECAC ANNOUNCED IT WILL MOVE ITS WOMEN'S HOCKEY CHAMPIONSHIP TO HERB BROOKS ARENA AT LAKE PLACID'S OLYMPIC CENTER THIS MARCH.

A GREAT STEP FORWARD FOR THE CONTINUING DEVELOPMENT OF WOMEN'S HOCKEY ESPECIALLY IN OUR AREA AND ALTHOUGH MY FIRST PLOILT IS TO COLGATE'S VOLLEYBALL TEAM WHO BEAT SYRACUSE TWICE THIS YEAR BY THE WAY, OUR WOMEN'S HOCKEY TEAM IS GREAT, TOO.

WE OPEN PLAY BY HOSTING OHIO STATE ON OCTOBER THIRD.

COME ON DOWN.

>> MY A GOES TO KATHY HOCHUL'S BAN ON SMART PHONES THROUGHOUT THE SCHOOL DAY.

I AND MY TEENAGE KIDS ARE NOT FANS OF A SWEEPING BAN, THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH TEACHERS SUGGEST THAT THEY'RE SEEING NOTICEABLE IMPROVEMENT IN FOCUS AND FEWER DISRUPTIONS IN THE CLASSROOM.

>> MICHAEL.

>> MY A GOES TO THE UNCELEBRATED PUBLIC SCHOOL BUS DRIVERS AND CROSSING GUARDS WHO TAKE CARE OF OUR CHILDREN RAIN, SLEET OR SNOW.

GOOD JOB, FOLKS.

>> MY A GOES TO MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL ANNOUNCING IT WILL USE ROBE OWE UMPS TO CALL BALLS AND STRIKES STARTING NEXT WE ARE.

THE SYSTEM USES HAWKEYE TECHNOLOGY USED IN PROFESSIONAL TENNIS TO MAKE ALL LINE CALLS.

HUMAN UMPS WILL STILL MAKE THE CALL AND TEAMS CAN CHALLENGE TWO CALLS PER GAME BUT I'M HOPEFUL THAT, LIKE TENNIS, THEY WILL ULTIMATELY TO HAVE ALL BALL AND STRIKE CALLS USED THROUGH THIS TECHNOLOGY.

>> I'M NOT A FAN OF THAT.

ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION, WHEN YOU SAID RONALD REAGAN TALKING ABOUT THE JIMMY KIMMEL.

TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE STATION OWNERSHIP RULES.

COMPANIES COULD ONLY OWN FIVE AND THEN SEVEN AND NOW IT'S PRETTY MUCH UNLIMITED.

>> SO THERE WE GO THERE.

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