REDUCING VIOLENCE IN CHICAGO.

>> A NEW PBS SERIES FROM HISTORIAN PROFESSOR AND FILMMAKER HENRY LOUIS GATES JUNIOR EXPLORES THE HISTORY OF GOSPEL MUSIC AND ITS DEEP ROOTS IN CHICAGO.

IT PREMIERES NEXT MONDAY.

HERE'S A SNEAK PEEK.

>> THE STORY OF GOSPEL BEGINS WITH THE GREAT MIGRATION AS BUT MIGRANTS MADE THEIR WAY FROM THE DEEP SOUTH TO CITIES IN THE NORTH AND THE WEST.

AFTER THEY CARRIED THE SONGS IN THE PREACHING STYLES OF THEIR HOME CHURCHES RIGHT ALONG RIVERS IN GOSPEL MUSIC SON.

>> FORMED DISSEMINATED AND CHICAGO ABSOLUTELY THE BIRTHPLACE OF GOSPEL MUSIC.

>> 8 THAT RIGHT.

JOINING US, OUR DOCTOR, CYNTHIA, NONE DIRECTOR OF THE WOMEN'S CHOIR AT TRINITY UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST.

SHE'S ALSO THE MINISTER OF MUSIC FOR DAYSPRING MINISTRIES IN HAMMOND, INDIANA.

NONE TAKEN NUMEROUS TRIPS TO EUROPE TO BRING GOSPEL TO A BROADER AUDIENCE, WHICH WILL GET TO.

AND REVEREND CHARLIE DATES, PASTOR PROGRESSIVE BAPTIST CHURCH IN CHICAGO WHO IS FEATURED IN THE NEW DOCUMENTARY.

THANKS TO YOU BOTH FOR JOINING US.

REVEREND 8, LET'S START WITH YOU.

WHY WHAT YOU THINK CHICAGO WITH SUCH FERTILE GROUND TO BE THE BIRTHPLACE OF GOSPEL MUSIC, CHICAGO.

>> ALMOST IN ITS DNA CARRIES THE UNIQUE STORY, A BURDEN AND BLESSING FOR BLACK PEOPLE.

TO THINK ABOUT A HALF A MILLION PEOPLE LEAVING THE AMERICAN SOUTH AND COMING TO COOK COUNTY ALONE.

AND WHETHER LIKE JANUARY AND FEBRUARY IS A STORY OF TRIAL AND STRUGGLE.

IT IS.

PEOPLE IN SEARCH OF HOPE.

AND I THINK CHICAGO HAS BEEN THAT KIND OF SEE BIT OF HOPE FOR AFRICAN-AMERICAN PEOPLE AND BUSINESS AND ATHLETICS TELEVISION.

BUT MORE PARTICULARLY CHURCH.

SO THAT MUSIC.

EMBODIES THE STORY OF CHICAGO IN A REAL SENSE AND THE HOPE THAT PEOPLE HAVE FOUND HERE AND STILL FIND HERE.

>> DOCTOR, 9 GOSPEL, AS WE KNOW, WAS BORN IN THE BLACK CHURCH.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BECOME AN ART FOR ART FORM THAT HAS BECOME TRANSIENT AND TRANSCENDENT.

I DO GET PAID TO TALK FOR A LIVING, WHY DO YOU THINK IT'S BIG BECOME SO POPULAR ACROSS THE WORLD?

WHAT YOU THINK?

IT'S GOT UNIVERSAL I BELIEVE IT HAS UNIVERSAL APPEAL BECAUSE IT HAS EVOLVED.

>> AND WITH EVERY DECADE.

>> AS MORE AND PEOPLE ARE BORN INTO UNDERSTANDING, CREATE.

>> IT IS CAPTIVATING.

IT IS ALSO FROM THE SOLE.

IT IS AN EXPERIENCE HIS FATE.

SO AS WE PROGRESS EVEN IN LIFE, THOSE THAT ARE FAITH-BASED, THIS IS WHAT REALLY WORKS.

>> THE DOCUMENTARY ALSO TALKS ABOUT THOMAS DORSEY AND HIS ROLE.

VERY IMPORTANT ROLE, OF COURSE, IN THE BIRTH OF GOSPEL IN PARTICULAR, HIS SONG TAKE MY HAND PRECIOUS LORD, WHICH WAS BORN OUT OF TRAGEDY.

>> IN 1932.

DORSEY'S WIFE AND SON DIED FROM CHILDBIRTH SPIRALING THOMAS INTO A DEEP DEPRESSION.

>> I FELT THAT FEEL THAT >> ME AND JUST >> LIGHT TRADING AWAY AFTER TURNING TO HIM.

>> SOMETHING >> AND I AND >> 20 THINK THE SONG IN PARTICULAR WAS A SEMINAL TO THE GOSPEL GENRE.

GOSPEL IS THAT STORY OF A TRANSCENDENT HOPE BRANDIS.

IT THEOLOGICAL REFLECTION ON THE DEPTHS OF PAIN AND THE OVERCOMING OF TRAGEDY AND DESPAIR A DAWN OF A NEW DAY.

THAT'S AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY.

DORSEY, REGIS HAD BEEN A DEER MOMENT OF HIS LIFE.

AND IN THAT MOMENT.

HE COMES TO SEE THAT HOPE IS DISCOVERED IN THE VERY CONDITIONS THAT COST TO SPARE.

THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THAT SONG.

IF WE IN THE DARKNESS.

PUT OUR HAND AND FEEL NO AND REACHING BACK WE OF ALL PEOPLE MOST MISERABLE.

BUT TO TAKE MY HAND PRECIOUS LORD IS TO SAY THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF MY GRIEF AND TRAGEDY, THERE IS ANOTHER HAND REACHING BACK AT THE GOSPEL MINUTES.

>> DOCTOR, GOSPEL IS BORN OUT OF TRAUMA.

AND YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT IS IN TERMS OF PERSONAL TRAUMA OR THE COLLECTIVE TRAUMA OF THE BLACK EXPERIENCE, OF COURSE, WHY DO YOU THINK IT'S ULTIMATELY SO UPLIFTING?

>> IT IS GOOD ABOUT JESUS AND IT IS THE PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP THAT ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT POLLS THAT ARE COMING FROM THE SOUTH.

THIS WAS THE PART OF THEM THAT THEY BROUGHT WITH THEM AND THEY LOVED.

THE CHURCH FOUNDATION AND THEY FOUND THEMSELVES IN BRACE WITH THIS MUSIC BECAUSE IT NOT ONLY FROM THE SOUTH AND SLAVERY.

IT GOES BACK TO AFRICA.

THAT'S PART OF OUR DNA.

EVEN WHEN THE AFRICANS WASH CLOTHES, THEY WOULD HAVE THE DIFFERENT CHANCE AND THE DIFFERENT SONGS THAT I HEARD RECORDING SOME YEARS BACK AND IT AMAZE ME.

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING HE WAS SAYING, BUT THEY HARMONIZE.

THAT WAS PART OF CULTURE.

>> ONE DORSEY'S, OF COURSE, HIS KEY COLLABORATORS WAS THE GREAT MEAL YOU REVEREND 8, WHAT MADE SO SPECIAL AND WHAT MADE HER WRITE FOR THAT MOMENT MUSIC HISTORY, THE 10 AMBER OF HER VOICE, THE WARMTH OF HER SOUL, THE IDENTITY WITH STRUGGLE.

AND THEN SHE WAS A BAD BLACK WOMAN.

I THINK WE JUST NEED TO GO AHEAD AND RECOGNIZE THAT A WOMAN KISSED BY NATURE SITE STRONG, BROAD SHOULDERS AND ALMOST A BARITONE VOICE.

WHO WOULD WHO IS ABLE TO?

IN THE MUSIC ITSELF AT THE VOICE OF SORROW AND TRIAL.

IT WAS HER EXPERIENCE, BOTH I THINK IN STRUGGLE AND WITH THE LORD, I THINK SHE KNEW HOW >> SUSTAIN HER NOTES AND TO FEEL EMBRACE.

AND SHE WAS THE FIRST TO REALLY, I WOULD SAY, COME OUT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT I'M SAYING COME OUT IN THE SENSE OUT OF HER RESTRICTED WAY BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE CAME IN, WE LEARNED THE EUROPEAN WAY TO WORSHIP.

BUT SHE BROUGHT THAT THE THE MOVEMENT SHE BROUGHT THE SPIRIT.

I WOULD SAY AND THE EXCITEMENT AND I THINK THEY HAVE EVEN PUT A ROAD 100 TIMES BECAUSE SHE WAS SO JUS OVER IT AND THAT TOUCH ALL OF US BECAUSE WE EMOTIONAL PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, AND WE LOVE THAT.

AND WE CAN TAP IN WHAT COMES FROM THE HEART REACHES THE HEART.

AND BEFORE THOMAS DORSEY, GOSPEL MUSIC WAS NOT WIDELY ACCEPTED, FOLKS FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE THE MUSIC OF SATURDAY BUT WITH THE THE LYRICS OF SATURDAY NIGHT, PERHAPS.

BUT WITH THE MUSIC AND THEN THE MESSAGE OF SUNDAY MORNING AND WILL THOMAS DORSEY IS THAT PIONEER?

HE GEORGIA.

TOMCAT.

WHO COME STRAIGHT OUT OF.

>> R AND B AS IT WAS.

AND SO HE FINDS A WAY TO GRAB THAT CULTURAL APPEAL AND WIN IT TO THE LYRICS OF THE GOSPEL.

>> I THINK DOCTOR, NONE IS RIGHT WE CANNOT IGNORE THE SPIRITUAL PART OF MAHALIA JACKSON.

WE COULD TALK INTELLECTUALLY ALL DAY AND EVEN FROM A MUSICAL LOGIC UL PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT SHE DID.

BUT THE REALITY IS SHE HAD THE SPIRIT OF GOD.

SO DOCTOR CAIN IS AT FRIENDSHIP BAPTIST CHURCH ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CHICAGO.

THIS IS ACTUAL VIDEO FOOTAGE.

THE PLACE IS PACKED AS PART OF THE CHICAGO FREEDOM MOVEMENT AND HE'S RUBBING HIS HEAD LIKE THIS.

HE GETS TO THE MIC.

SHE STANDS UP AND WITHOUT BEING ASKED PROVOCATION.

SHE'S A STAR SINGING.

JOSHUA PUT THE BATTLE JERICHO, SPIRITUALLY.

SHE DISARM SOMETHING.

AND THAT ROOM CAUGHT FIRE AND HE DELIVERED UNDOUBTEDLY ONE OF THE BEST BEACHES IN CHICAGO DURING THAT TIME BECAUSE IT'S SPIRITUAL.

AND I THINK THE WORLD NEEDS TO SEE THAT AND HEAR THAT AGAIN.

AND I ALSO THINK THAT'S WHY THE WORLD IS STRONG TO THIS GENRE.

GOT TO FIND THAT FOOTAGE.

OKAY.

>> WE INTERVIEWED ONE OF THE PRODUCERS AND DIRECTORS OF THE SERIES STACY HOME.

HERE SHE TALKED ABOUT THE ROLE OF BLACK WOMEN IN GOSPEL, NOT JUST SINGER'S, BUT HAS VERY SAVVY ENTREPRENEURS.

>> BACK TO DORSEY, SALLY HER AND KENNETH MORRIS FARMS.

ONE OF THE MOST, I GUESS THE BEST.

COMPANY THAT WAS SELLING SHEET MUSIC.

SOME OF THESE NAMES, I LIKE MANY MOSQUES, BUT SALLY MARTIN AND EVEN THE KING MAC MEAN, THESE ARE WOMEN WHO ARE REALLY WHO HAD A BUSINESS SAVVY TO THEM.

THAT NEW GOSPEL.

BUT SOMETHING MORE.

DOCTOR KNOWN.

HOW WERE, YOU KNOW, BLACK WOMEN ABLE TO PLAY SUCH A PIVOTAL WHEN THIS, YOU KNOW, SOCIETY AT THE TIME WAS NOT EXACTLY WELCOMING TO WOMEN ENTREPRENEURS, LET ALONE BLACK WOMEN ENTREPRENEURS.

>> WOW, YOU KNOW.

THAT'S WHERE COMES IN AGAIN BECAUSE SHE NOT ONLY I THINK SHE DID HAIR.

SHE SHE END UP BECOMING A BEAUTY SHOP.

AND THEY RENT FROM HER.

BUT SHE ALSO WAS THE FIRST TO BREAK THE GLASS CEILING BECAUSE RCA PICKED UP IN SO MANY OTHER COMPANIES BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T JUST SING FROM TO CHURCH.

SHE ENDED UP BECOMING IN MOVIES IN AND AND IT TOOK OTHER RACES TO PROMOTE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN WE AT THAT TIME YOU CANNOT GET WHERE YOU HAD TO GO.

WITH NOTHING.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT BELIEVED IN YOU AND PROMOTING YOU.

SO WHAT PROMOTION SHE WENT AND SHE DID HER MONEY RIGHT?

SHE END UP DYING WEALTHY AND THAT WAS NOT SO WITH GOSPEL MUSIC THAT TIME.

NOW WE HAVE MILLIONAIRES.

NOW WE HAVE THAT HAS BEEN WIDELY ACCEPTED, BUT SHE BROKE THE BARRIER.

SO I HAVE TO USE HER AGAIN AS AN EXAMPLE.

4 WEALTH PUTTING A BUSINESS AND SEE AWESOME.

HAHA, RIGHT.

THAT IS WHERE WE'LL HAVE TO LEAVE THANKS TO REVEREND CHARLIE DIETZ AND DOCTOR SENT JOIN THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

>> AND YOU CAN WATCH THE SERIES ON W T TW NEXT MONDAY