
Newman book, Debt ceiling, AI professor
Season 2023 Episode 101 | 27mVideo has Closed Captions
T.J. Newman new book is "Drowning.", Biden discuses debt ceiling, Artificial intelligence.
A former flight attendant turned mystery author T.J Newman has a new book called "Drowning" which is a thriller. President Joe Biden met with House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., on Monday to discuss a path forward to avert a debt limit breach. A professor discusses the pros and cons of artificial intelligence.
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Newman book, Debt ceiling, AI professor
Season 2023 Episode 101 | 27mVideo has Closed Captions
A former flight attendant turned mystery author T.J Newman has a new book called "Drowning" which is a thriller. President Joe Biden met with House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., on Monday to discuss a path forward to avert a debt limit breach. A professor discusses the pros and cons of artificial intelligence.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorship>> Ted: JUST WHAT IS THE DEBT CEILING AND IF THE DEBT LIMIT ISN'T RAISED AND WHAT IS ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND WHY ARE SO MANY WORRIED ABOUTASM I ABOUT AI.
AND A BEST SELLING AUTHOR.
THAT'S NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.
>>> FALLOUT FROM THE GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE, KARI LAKE FAILED TO MAKE HER CLAIM.
THE SUPERIOR COURT JUDGE'S RULING CAPTURED A THREE-DAY TRIAL TO HOBBS.
REACTION INCLUDED LAKE TODAY SAYING, QUOTE, THE SYSTEM IS CORRUPT FROM TOP TO BOTTOM AND SITTING STATE LAWMAKER, RACHEL JONES TWEETED, THE JUDGE IS EITHER A TOTAL COWARD, CORRUPT OR BOTH.
BOTH.
BUT WHEN BOMBSHELLS AND SMOKING GUNS ARE NOT BACKED UP BY FACTS, THEY FAIL IN COURT.
>> OTHER HEADLINES, MAINS MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ARE STRUGGLING TO PAY THEIR ELECTRIC BILLS AND 20 MILLION HOUSEHOLDS WERE BEHIND ON BILLS WITH A TOTAL AMOUNT OWED AT 19.5 BILLION.
AND THE HIGH COST OF COOLING HOMES IS EXPECTED TO MAKE THE PROBLEM WORSE.
>>> 2022 WAS THE DEADLIEST YEAR TO DATE IN TERMS OF FATAL DRUG OVERDOSES.
FENTANYL IS THE MAJOR FACTOR WITH THE SYNTHETIC GEORGE OPIOID DEATHS AND DEATHS INVOLVING COCAINE, THEY'RE UP, JUMPING 24% IN BOTH 2020 AND 2021.
ONE MORE HEALTH NOTE, HIV IN YOUNG PEOPLE IN THE U.S. ARE TRENDING DOWN.
THERE WERE 32,000 NEW INFECTIONS IN 2021 WITH THOSE 21 TO 34 YEARS OF AGE, A DROP FROM 2017.
FROM GAY AND BISEXUAL WERE DOWN IN THOSE YEARS.
1.2 MILLION PEP PEP IN PEOPLE IN THE U.S. HAVE HIV.
>>> TALKS BETWEEN PRESIDENT BIDEN AND HOUSE REPUBLICANS ENDED WITH NO REPORTS OF PROGRESS WITH A DATA DEBT CEILING.
THERE'S A JUNE 1st DEADLINE.
HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND THEIR EVERY DAY IMPLICATIONS IS THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF ROUNDS CONSULTING GROUP.
JIM, THANKS FOR BOEING FOR BEING HERE AND WHAT IS THIS?
>> THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SPENDS MORE THAN IT BRINGS IN AND THE DEBT CEILING IS, BASICALLY, THE LEGISLATED LEVEL WHERE YOU CAN'T BORROW OR GO INTO DEBT A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
THE DEBT HAS REACHED OVER 30 TRILLION NOW, SO THE DEBT CEILING, TO MAKE THAT WORK BEFORE IS CLOSE TO THAT AND THEY NEED TO RAISE IT AGAIN IN ORDER TO PAY FOR THE OTHER OBLIGATIONS -- SO THEY SPENT THE MONEY AND WE HAVE TOPY TO PAY FOR IT.
THIS MEANS THAT WHERE DO YOU GET THE MONEY FOR FUTURE ITEMS?
>> Ted: IF YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR WHAT YOU SPENT, WHY IS THERE A POINT OF CONTENTION HERE?
>> NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING TO HAVE DEBT ON THE BOOKS.
IF I HAD ANY CONTROL, THE NATIONAL DEBT NOT EXCEED ABOUT HALF OF GDP WHICH IS AROUND 25 TRILLION.
WE'RE ABOVE THAT, BUT NOT AS BAD AS SOME COUNTRIES AND CLOSER AND CLOSER.
WE NEED TO APPROVE RAISING THAT AND I THINK WE'VE RAISED IT HISTORICALLY LIKE 70 DIFFERENT TIMES AND IT'S BEEN-YEAR-OLD.
BUT WE HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT GETS BACK TO, IF WE'RE SPENDING THAT MONEY TO PAY FOR PREVIOUS EXPENDITURES OR OBLIGATIONS AND WE CAN'T BORROW MORE, THAN THAT MEANS WE WON'T PAY FOR THE STUFF THAT'S COMING AFTER JUNE 1st, WHICH IS GOVERNMENT PAYMENTS TO RETIREES.
IT COULD BE SOME MILITARY PENSIONS.
ANYWHERE WHERE PEOPLE GET FEDERAL MONEY FOR THEIR INCOME, IT WILL IMPACT THEM IF THEY DON'T RESOLVE THIS ISSUE.
>> Ted: HOW WILL IT IMPACT THEM?
DO THEY STOP OR LIMITED OR DO THEY COME MORE INFREQUENTLY OR WHAT HAPPENS?
>> WE'VE SEEN GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNS WHERE ALL A SHUTDOWNS WHERE THEY WON'T PAY CERTAIN PEOPLE AND FURLOUGH, WAS THE MOST POPULAR TURN, WHICH JUST MEANT, WE'LL LAY YOU OFF FOR A LITTLE WHILE UNTIL WE GET OUR ACT TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE.
WEREWHAT I DON'T LIKE, THEY'RE USING THIS ISSUE AT A BAD TIME IN THE BUSINESS CYCLE.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE'RE EXPANDING SOLIDLY AND GETTING INTO THE PHASE WHERE IT'S STARTING TO SLOW.
WE CAN'T AFFORD A SHOCK LIKE THIS WHERE THE U.S.
INDICATES WE MIGHT NOT START PAYING PEOPLE THAT LOANED US MONEY.
>> Ted: YES.
WITH THAT IN MIND, THINGS LIKE INFLATION, REAL ESTATE, 401K'S, HOW WOULD THEY BE AFFECTED?
BEFORE WE GO DOWN THAT AVENUE, THERE'S A JUNE 1st DEADLINE, WHERE JUNE 1st?
WHO MADE THAT UP?
>> THOSE WERE SOME ESTIMATES, I THINK, FROM JANET YELLEN AND IT SETS A TARGET FOR PEOPLE'S EXPECTATIONS OF WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET DONE WHAT WE NEED TO GET DONE.
IF WE GET CLOSE TO THAT, EVEN, IT WILL CAUSE PANIC IN THE MARKETS.
WE CAN'T AFFORD THAT EXTRA SHOCK IN THE ECONOMY THAT COULD CAUSE JOB LOSSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I FEEL LIKE THEY'LL RESOLVE IT AND IF WE DON'T, I THINK WE SHOULD VOTE THEM OUT.
THIS IS SUCH A BIG DEAL THAT COULD CAUSE MILLIONS OF JOB LOSSES AND CAUSE HARDSHIP AMONG EVERY DAY PEOPLE, AGAIN NOT GETTING PAYMENTS AND NOT PAYING SERVICE THEIR DEBT.
IT IMPACTS MORE AND MORE PEOPLE AND CASCADES FURTHER AND FURTHER.
>> Ted: THINGS LIKE INFLATION, THINGS LIKE REAL ESTATE AND 401KS AND JOBS AND HOW MUCH WOULD THEY BE AFFECTED COME JUNE 2nd THAT WE'RE ARGUING ABOUT THIS?
>> WHERE WE ARE IN THE BUSINESS CYCLE, IT WOULD BE MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, WE WOULD GO INTO A POTENTIAL RECESSION.
WITH INFLATION, THE FED WOULD HAVE DIFFERENT POLICIES RATHER THAN CONTINUING TO EXPAND.
A LOT OF JOB LOSSES AND OF ALL OF JOB LOSSES, WHAT WOULD IMPACT ARIZONA?
I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT'S IN UNCHARTERED WATERS.
THE POLITICIANS HAVE LET IT GO CLOSE TO THIS, BUT THEY HAVE NOT ACTUALLY DEFAULTED BEFORE.
THAT'S A BAD SIGNAL.
LIKE YOU STOP PAYING YOUR MORTGAGE AND STOP MAKING YOUR CAR PAYMENT AND THEN SAYING, OH, I WONDER HOW IT WILL IMPACT ME?
YOU WON'T BORROW MONEY OR IT WILL COST MORE.
THAT'S WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS DOING.
>> Ted: SO AS YOU MENTIONED, WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT ARIZONA SPECIFICS.
BUT IN GENERAL, WHAT SECTORS GET HIT THE HARDEST?
>> AT FIRST, I WOULD SAY THE POPULATION AND EMPLOYMENT PERCENTAGE OF THE U.S.
WHICH IS A LITTLE OVER 2%.
ESTIMATES AND ARTICLES, 2% AND THAT COULD IMPACT US.
BUT IT COULD IMPACT MONEY WHERE IF RETIREES AREN'T GETTING THEIR MONEY, WHERE ARE THEY SPENDING IT, RETAIL, THE MORE SENSITIVE INDUSTRIES LIKE TOURISM, DURING A DOWNTURN AND IT TAKES AWHILE AND PEOPLE ARE ISOLATING AND CONSTRUCTION HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP A LOT.
BECAUSE WE'RE CLOSE ENOUGH TO A RECESSION ALREADY WHICH IS HAPPENING NEXT YEAR AND NOT THIS YEAR, LIKE A LOT OF COLLEAGUES AND CLOSE ENOUGH IF IT HAPPENS, IT IMPACTS EVERYBODY.
SO THIS IS A VERY BAD THING AND I CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH, THIS IS VERY IRRESPONSIBLE FOR POLITICIANS TO PUT THE COUNTRY IN THIS SITUATION.
THAT'S WHY I FEEL LIKE IN THE END, THEY'LL CAVE BECAUSE THEY'RE NEGOTIATING.
THE REPUBLICANS ARE BLAMING THE DEMOCRATS AND VICE VERSA, EVEN THOUGH BOTH ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NATIONAL DEBT IN OVER $30 TRILLION.
BUT THEY HAVE TO RESOLVE THIS AND INVESTIGATE TO THEY HAVE TO ANSWER TO THE PERSON THAT GETS KICKED OUT OF THEIR HOUSE OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
THEY'RE IMPACTING EVERY DAY PEOPLE AND THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.
>> Ted: IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE OTHER ISSUES, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THEM AND TALK ABOUT THEM, BUT DO THIS AND PAY YOUR BILLS.
JIM, GOOD INFORMATION.
ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE YOU.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
>> THANKS.
>> Ted: UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, WHAT IS ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND WHY ARE SO MANY SO WORRIED ABOUT IT >> Ted: ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE OR AI IS DEVELOPING AT SUCH A RAPID PACE IT'S GONE FROM A CURIOSITY TO A PART OF EVERY DAY LIFE TO WHAT SEE AS AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT.
WE TALK ABOUT ALL THINGS AI AND GOOD TO YOU HAVE AND WELCOME TO THE SHOW.
WHAT IS AI?
>> SO AI IS A BROAD TERM AND USED LOOSELY.
AI IS INSTILL BE HUMAN-LIKE CAPABILITIES INTO MACHINES.
THIS IS A TREND IN MACHINE LEARNING AND TAKING LARGE AMOUNTS OF DATA AND REPRESENTING PATTERN FROM SAID DATA.
ONE OF MY FAVORITE EXAMPLES, YOU CAN UNLOCK YOUR PHONES WITH YOUR FACE.
TAKING MASS AMOUNTS OF PHOTOS OF FACES, REPLICATING IT TO RECOGNIZING WHAT A FACE LOOKS LIKE OUR YOUR FACE TO UNLOCK A PHONE.
>> Ted: BUT DOES AI THINK, CAN AI THINK AND CAN IT RESOLVE THINGS?
I THINK WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS AI KEEPS BUILDING SO FAST BECAUSE COMPUTERS ARE SO FAST.
HAVE TWO MAIN CAMPS IN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.
YOU HAVE ONE THAT SEES IT AS A TOOL, SO MORE SO AWAY FOR US TO BE MORE CREATIVE.
CHAT GBT IS THAT TOOL.
YOU CAN USE IT TO IMPROVE THE WORK AND THE EFFICIENCY OF THE WORK YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
YOU HAVE ANOTHER CAMP THAT SEES THIS AS A POTENTIAL SPARK OF AN ENTITY WITHIN ITSELF.
SO THAT TRAIN OF THOUGHT GOES TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, OVERTIME AS THE SYSTEMS, THEY'LL HAVE THEY'RE OWN ENTITY, BUT THAT SIDE IS SPECULATIVE.
>> Ted: BUT ARE THERE SAFEGUARDS THAT EXIST NOW OR PLANNED FOR THE FUTURE SHOULD IT GET TOO FULL OF ITSELF?
>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
SIX DAYS AGO, CONGRESS MET WITH THE OPEN CEO TO TALK ABOUT THE REGULATIONS THERE SHOULD BE.
IT'S GREAT BECAUSE IF YOU LISTEN TO THE SEGMENT, CONGRESS IS NOW AWARE AND STARTING TO BUILD AN IDEA OF SETTING THE SAFEGUARDS AND A PERFECT TIME TO BUILD IT BECAUSE CHAT GBT AND CHAT GBT4 IS A TOUR AND NOT NECESSARILY AN ENTITY AND A GREAT TIME TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS OF WHERE WE WANT TO SET THE GUARDRAILS.
>> Ted: THE CONCERN, OF COURSE, THAT NEFARIOUS PEOPLE WILL SEND THIS OFF IN A SEPARATE DEMONSTRATIONAND IHEARD THIS COMPARED TO A GENIE IN A BOTTLE.
>> NOT NECESSARILY.
BUT RIGHT NOW, IT'S MAINLY USED AS TOOL TO INCREASE EFFICIENCY AT WORK AND A GOOD WAY OF DOING SO.
IN TERMS OF THE SPECULATION OF LIKE THAT LEVEL, HENCE, WHY THE GUARDRAILS ARE TALKED ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
>> Ted: HOW DID AI GET STARTED?
>> IT'S NOT A NEW CONCEPT AT ALL.
BACK IN THE DAY, WE HAD THE PERCPTRON AND THISPETRON.
WE ATTACH WEIGHT TO IT, IT WILL GET THE OUTPUT.
THROUGH MANY EXAMPLES BEING SHOWN, THESE WEIGHTS ADJUST SUCH THAT WE GET THE IMAGE CAN UNDERSTAND, IN GENERAL, WHAT A FACE WOULD LOOK LIKE AND REPLICATE YOUR FACE IS THE ONE SHOWN TO IT.
>> Ted: BACK IN THE DAY, YOU WOULD PLAY A CHESS GAME AND YOU WOULD PLAY THE COMPUTER AND IF YOU GOT TO FULL OF YOURSELF, THE COMPUTER WOULD PUT YOU IN CHESSMATE, BUT THE IDEA IT'S MOVING SO MUCH IN CERTAIN DIRECTIONS, STILL, ARE THE CONCERNS ABOUT AI, ARE THEY OVERBLOWN.
>> THERE'S SOME FOUNDATION AND I CAN'T SAY MYSELF WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE OVERBLOWN AND I WOULD SAY THE CURRENT TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE STILL NEEDS A LOT OF REGULATION ON, LET'S SAY, THE CHAT GBT, BUT YOU GET INPUT AND OUTPUT.
BUT IN BETWEEN, THERE'S A BLACK BOX THAT'S NOT TRANSPARENT.
YOU MAY GET A RESPONSE AND THE OUTPUT IT GIVES, RESEARCHERS ARE NOT ABLE TO TRACE BACK EXACTLY WHY IT GAVE YOU THAT RESPONSE FROM YOUR INPUT.
AND SO THAT'S WORRISOME, ESPECIALLY IN THE CASE OF, LET'S SAY, WITH BANKS APPROVING A CREDIT SCORE.
IF A BANK TAKES YOUR INFORMATION AND PRINTS OUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU GET A LOAN OR A CERTAIN CREDIT SCORE, YOU SHOULD HAVE AN ABILITY TO SAY WHY DID YOU COME OUT TO THAT DECISION AND IF THE SYSTEMS ARE THE ONLY DECISION-MAKING PROCESS HERE, THAT'S WORRISOME.
>> Ted: THERE ARE POSITIVES HERE.
HEALTH, YOU KNOW, VIRUSES AND THESE SORTS OF THINGS, THE RESEARCH INVOLVING MEDICINE, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S EXPONENTIALLY GROWN WITH AI.
>> IT'S INSANE.
IN TERMS OF GOOD, IF A PATIENT FALLS ON A HOSPITAL FLOOR, THE AI CAN ALERT NURSES AND DOCTORS TO CARE.
INDIVIDUALS THAT MAY BE DEAF OR CANNOT SEE HAVE SEEN VAST IMMINENTSEEN VAST IMPROVEMENT.
SO WE SEE SO MUCH GOOD.
FOR ME, FOR ME, I SEE THE SLIGHTER LIKE PATIENTS FLOORING ON THE HOSPITAL FLOOR.
TO THE RIGHT, TOWARDS MORE SPECULATION, AI CAN HELP WORLD POVERTY, HUNGER AND ANY ISSUES, GLOBAL WARMING.
AND WE TAKE THE NOT SO GOOD AND WE TALK ABOUT LOSS OF JOBS ON THE SHORT END AND THEN ON THE FARTHER END, SUPER INTELLIGENCE AND THE SCI-FI-LIKE, TAKING OVER THE WORLD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> Ted: OR THE SPACESHIP IN SPACE ODYSSEY.
THIS IS FASCINATING STUFF.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.
>> THANK YOU.
♪♪ >> Ted: PHOENIX-BASED BEST-SELLING AUTHOR AND FLIGHT ATTENDANT, T.J. NEWMAN, HAS A NEW BOOK, TITLED "DROWNING," THE RACE TO SAVE PASSENGERS OF THE PLANE THAT CRASHED SPOT T.J. NEWMAN BACK.
CONGRATULATIONS ON ALL OF YOUR SUCCESS.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Ted: ARE YOU SURPRISED BY ALL OF YOUR SUCCESS?
>> NO ONE IS MORE SURPRISED THAN ME.
>> Ted: THE SECOND BOOK AND SOMEWHAT SIMILAR WITH PLANES AND HOW DIFFERENT IS IT THAN THE FIRST BOOK?
>> IT'S BIGGER.
THAT'S THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT.
I KNEW THAT I HAD TO GO BIGGER AND DIFFERENT, SO YES, BOTH AVIATION THRILLERS AND BOTH THE SAME SITUATION OF EVERY DAY PEOPLE AND EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT AFTER THAT, THEY TAKE VERY DIFFERENT PATHS.
>> Ted: YOU KNEW YOU HAD TO GO BIGGER AND A LITTLE STRESSFUL?
>> YEAH, YEAH, OF COURSE.
THERE'S A LOT OF STRESS IN A FOLLOW-UP, BUT I JUST KEPT THINKING ABOUT ANYTIME THE FEAR WAS TOO MUCH, I KEPT THINKING OF ALL OF FIRST PEOPLE WHO READ AND ENJOYED MY FIRST BOOK AND LET ME KNOW THAT AND I'M WRITING FOR THEM.
MY OWN FEAR NEEDS TO GET OUT OF THE WAY BECAUSE I NEED TO TELL A GOOD STORY TO THEM.
>> Ted: WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PAGE TURNERS, THAT IS WHAT THIS IS.
FOR "FALLING", THINGS YOU SAW AS A FLIGHT ATTENDANT, AND SAME THING FOR THIS?
>> I HAD THE IDEA FOR "DROWNING" IN THE MIDDLE OF A RED EYE, TOO.
I WAS STANDING IN A GALLY, LOOKING OUT THE PORTHOLE IN THE DOOR AND I'M LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW AND LOOKING OUT AT NOTHING.
IT WAS PITCH BLACK, NO CITY LIGHTS, NO CIVILIZATION AND NOTHING OUT THERE FOR MILES AND HOURS BUT WATER.
AND SO, IN MY HEAD, YOU KNOW, MY BIG IMAGINATION IT STARTS GOING AND WHAT IF WE WENT DOWN?
HOW WOULD THEY FIND US?
WHO WOULD COME AND GET US?
HOW COULD WE SAVE OURSELVES AND THE WHEELS STARTED TURNING FROM THERE.
>> Ted: A LOT OF TECHNICAL DESCRIPTIONS OF WHAT PILOTS DO AND PEOPLE THAT WORK WITH SUBMARINES DO AND WHAT THE NAVY DOES.
WASWERE THERE THINGS INVOLVED HERE BECAUSE THERE'S INTRICATE STUFF HERE.
YOU HAD TO DO RESEARCH ON THIS.
>> AS A FLIGHT ATTENDANT, THEY TEACH YOU FOR A DITCHING, AND TRAINED TO DO IN A DITCH OR IF THE PLANE SINKS AND TEETERING I SPOKE WITH NAVY PERSONNEL AND PILOTS WITH WHAT CONDITIONS TO MAKE THIS PLAUSIBLE.
I GOT SCUBA CERTIFIED.
THAT WAS THE COOLEST PART.
I KNEW THERE'S NO WAY I WOULD BE ABLE TO WRITE OFF AUTHENTICALLY.
>> Ted: IT REALLY COMES THROUGH AS DO THE CHARACTERS.
THERE'S A COLLECTION IN THE PLANE AND ON THE WATER AND RESCUE BOAT.
ARE ALL OF THEM A PART OF YOU?
>> I THINK ANY WRITER CAN FIND PARTS OF THEMSELVES IN EVERYTHING THEY DO.
I THINK IT WAS ALSO MY EXPERIENCE FOR TEN YEARS AS FLIGHT ATTENDANT AND THAT I HAD 100 AND SOME STRANGERS THAT I GOT TO WATCH AND OBSERVE AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THAT GUY'S STORY AND WHAT IS SHE DOING AND WHAT'S HER BACK STORY.
IT WAS EASY TO TAKE TEN YEARS OF OBSERVATIONAL SKILLING LIKE TO FLESH-OUT CHARACTERS.
TED >> Ted: YOU HAVE CHILDREN AND A COUPLE OF HORSE'S REAR-ENDS.
WHEN YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE CHARACTERS AND HARD ENOUGH FOR ME READING AND HOLY SMOKES, DO YOU OUTLINE AND KNOW WHAT IS COMING NEXT?
>> I DO.
WITH "FALLING," I WAS A WRITER WHO WANTS BY THE SEAT OF THEIR PANTS AND I DIDN'T KNOW AND I STARTED WRITING.
THAT BOOK TOLD ME YEARS TO GET RIGHT AND IN THIS BOOK, I TURNED INTO A PLOTTER AND OUTLINED EXTENSIVELY BEFORE I PUT PEN TO PAPER.
>> Ted: IT READS LIKE A MOVIE SCRIPT WITH THAT IN MIND.
YOUR PREVIOUS BOOK, BIG HOLLYWOOD BIDDING AND CONGRATULATIONS.
HAVE YOU DONE SCRIPT WRITING AND WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?
>> I'M ADAPTING "FALLING" INTO A SCRIPT AND IT HAS BEEN SUCH AN EDUCATION AND SUCH A THRILL TO LEARN THAT SKILL, WHICH IS A SKILL OF COM COMPRESSION.
IN A BOOK, YOU HAVE 300 PAGES AND IN A SCRIPT, YOU A HUNDRED SOME.
HOW DO YOU TAKE TEN PAGES IN A BOOK AND HOW DO YOU TAKE THAT SAME SCENE IN ONE PAGE WITHOUT LOSING INFORMATION?
IT'S A HIGH-WIRE ACT THAT HELPED MY NOVEL WRITING, AS WELL.
YOU HAVE TO CULTIVATE A LASER-LIKE FOCUS ON WHAT IS THE STORY?
WHAT AM I TRYING TO TELL HERE.
YOU DON'T ENVIRONMENT LUXURY OF SOUPUSEANYTHING SUPERB FEWLIST.
IT'S SURREAL AND NOBODY IS MORE SURPRISED.
>> Ted: WHEN WALKING PLANES AND SELLING BOOKS AND CHANGES HANDS, EVER THINK THIS WOULD HAPPEN?
>> I DREAMED BIG.
I DREAMED BIG.
I WANTED THIS AND THAT'S WHY I WORKED SO HARD TO GET TO WHERE I AM.
SO I COULD SEE IT, BUT NOW THAT IT'S ACTUALLY HERE, IT'S SOMETHING.
>> Ted: YOU GOT IT AND IT IS SOMETHING AND CONGRATULATIONS ON ALL OF YOUR CONTINUED SUCCESS AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON.
>> Ted: THAT'S IT FOR NOW.
I'M TED SIMONS AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING!

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