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TED: COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," A NEW EFFORT IS UNDER WAY TO ATTRACT NHL HOCKEY BACK TO THE VALLEY.

>>> ALSO TONIGHT, MEET A UKRAINIAN GUITARIST WHO USES MUSIC TO REPRESENT HIS CULTURE AND HIS COUNTRY.

>>> AND A NEW BOOK LOOKS AT THE TRANSFORMATION HOW SOCIETY ADDRESSES BREAST CANCER.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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TED: GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

A NEW COMMITTEE HAS BEEN FORMED TO BRING NHL HOCKEY BACK TO THE VALLEY.

GOAL IS TO GET A NEW TEAM AND NEW ARENA AFTER THE DEPARTURE OF THE ARIZONA COYOTES FRANCHISE WHICH RELOCATED TO UTAH LAST YEAR.

TO LEARN MORE, WE WELCOME THOMAS GALVIN, CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

>> WHEN I SAW THE COYOTES LEAVE TOWN, I WAS UPSET NOT JUST AS A SPORTS FAN BUT AS COMMUNITY BOOSTER AND ADVOCATE FOR THE VALLEY AND THE STATE.

I BELIEVE THIS IS A REPRESENTATIONAL HIT FOR ARIZONA.

WE ATTRACT SPORTS TEAMS, GET THE FOOTBALL TEAM, THE CARDINALS AND BECAUSE WE'RE SUCH A BIG GROWTH STATE, WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF LOSING TEAMS TO OTHER STATES.

I FOUND IT UNFORTUNATE.

PEOPLE TOOK GLEE IN THE DEMISE OF THE COYOTES AND I GOT UPSET BY THAT.

I GOT UPSET THAT IT WAS OUR HOCKEY TEAM.

IT'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT QUESTION AS WELL.

TED: WHEN YOU SAY PEOPLE TOOK GLEE WHEN THE TEAM LEFT, WHAT DID YOU HEAR?

>> AFTER IT HAPPENED, EVERYONE -- NOT EVERYONE, PEOPLE SAID THAT'S THE COYOTES.

WHAT I LIKE TO DO IS SEPARATE THE COYOTES THAT GOT BAD HEADLINES BECAUSE OF THE VARIOUS OWNERSHIP GROUPS THAT SCREWED UP OVER THE YEARS AND SEPARATE IT FROM THE GOOD FAN BASE WE HAVE HERE IN THE VALLEY AND ALSO THE WELCOMING OPPORTUNITY THAT WE ALWAYS PROVIDE BUSINESSES THAT WANT TO COME HERE.

TED: WANT TO GET TO THE PREVIOUS OWNERSHIP IN A SECOND.

WHO'S ON THE COMMITTEE?

>> WE HAVEN'T ANNOUNCED THE NAMES YET, BUT DID ANNOUNCE ONE NAME THIS WEEK, ANDREA DOANE, THE WIFE OF SHANE DOAN WHO PLAYED FOR THE COYOTES THE ENTIRE TIME THEY WERE HERE.

THEIR SON JOSH PLAYED FOR THE COYOTES AS WELL.

SHE'S GOING TO BE A TERRIFIC PARTNER OF MINE AND A GREAT CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE AND DO A GREAT JOB OF EXPOUNDING AND EXPANDING FOR THE VALLEY.

TED: THE BIGGIE, OBVIOUSLY, IS FINDING A NEW OWNERSHIP GROUP.

JUDGING FROM PREVIOUS OWNERSHIP GROUPS, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR, AND WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING TO AVOID?

>> FIRST OF ALL, THEY HAVE TO HAVE DEEP POCKETS AND THIS DAY AND AGE OF PRO SPORTS THEY HAVE TO BE A BILLIONAIRE, IF YOU KNOW BILLIONAIRES INTERESTED IN HOCKEY TEAMS, GIVE ME A CALL.

SECONDLY, THEY HAVE TO CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, HAVE TO CARE ABOUT THE VALLEY.

WE HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE LAST WEEK WITH ANDREA DOANE BUT DID IT AT THE SCOTTSDALE ICE DEN WITH THE SHOT FOUNDATION A YOUTH ADVOCACY GROUP.

AND WE WERE SURROUNDED BY KIDS THAT LOVE TO PLAY HOCKEY.

BOYS AND GIRLS OF ALL AGES.

WHOEVER WANTS TO BRING A HOCKEY TEAM BACK TO THE VALLEY, BUILD IT FROM THE BOTTOM UP, NOT FROM THE TOP DOWN AND SHOW YOU CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY.

TED: IS THAT THE PROBLEM?

BUILDING FROM THE TOP DOWN, THEY HAVE BEEN ALL OVER THE PLACE.

>> THAT WAS 20 YEARS AGO.

TED: YES.

>> I WANT TO BRING IT BACK TO THE MANDATE OF THE COMMITTEE I HAVE ESTABLISHED SINCE I ANNOUNCED IT BACK IN JANUARY.

ONE IS TO FIND THE OWNER AS WE DISCUSSED, BUT TWO, TO FIND A GOOD VIABLE LOCATION.

AND THE PREVIOUS ITERATIONS OF THE COYOTES DIDN'T WORK BECAUSE THEY NEVER FOUND A GOOD LOCATION.

IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A WORLD-CLASS ARENA, GREAT, BUT HAVE TO HAVE A GOOD LOCATION.

THIS COMMUNITY, WE'RE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER, COMMUNITY LEADERS, POLITICAL LEADERS AND COME UP WITH A COLLECTIVE IDEA WHERE THE BEST PLACE IS AND HOPEFULLY DEFINE THE BEST OWNER.

TED: DEFINE A VIABLE, SUITABLE PLACE FOR THE ARENA?

>> WE KNOW THE COYOTES DIDN'T WORK OUT OF THE LOCATION IN THE WEST VALLEY.

THERE ARE CERTAIN LOCATIONS THAT NEED TO BE GOOD.

NEED TO BE NEAR A DOWNTOWN CORE, NEAR WHERE FAN BASE WAS AND WHAT THE COYOTES REALIZE IS THAT FAN BASE WAS NOT OUT IN GLENDALE, THEY'RE IN DOWNTOWN AND THE EAST VALLEY.

ONE OF THE REASONS THEY WENT TO MULLETT ARENA AT ASU BUT THE ARENA WAS TOO SMALL.

IN THIS DAY AND AGE PEOPLE WANT THE SUITES, THE BELLS AND WHISTLES AND AMENITIES.

IF YOU WANT TO DO, IT DON'T BUILD IT OUT OF THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.

IDENTIFY A GOOD SITE TO HOST IT.

TED: THE POSSIBILITY OF USING PUBLIC FUNDS, IS THAT ON THE TABLE?

>> A HYPOTHETICAL THAT THE NEW OWNER WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

I SAW HOW THE CHASE FIELD DEAL WAS DONE.

THAT WAS A BIPARTISAN EFFORT AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE BETWEEN GOVERNOR HOBBS, A DEMOCRAT, AND THE STATE LEGISLATURE WAS CONTROLLED BY REPUBLICANS, BUT CHASE FIELD IS A COMMUNITY ASSET.

IT'S OWNED BY THE GOVERNMENT, SO PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS WORK IN THEORY SOMETIMES BUT THAT'S A LONG WAY DOWN THE ROAD.

WE NEED TO FIND THE OWNER AND THE LOCATION FIRST.

TED: DIDN'T WORK ALL THAT WELL WITH TEMPE.

>> DIDN'T WORK ALL THAT WELL FOR TEMPE POLITICALLY FOR THE PREVIOUS COYOTES OWNERSHIP.

WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO TO ADVOCATE FOR PUBLIC SUPPORT, THEY GOT TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.

TED: HOW DOES THE EFFORT, THE RECRUITING EFFORT, HOW DOES THIS DIFFER FROM PAST RECRUITING EFFORTS OF GETTING OWNERSHIP, FINDING THE RIGHT ARENA, EVERYTHING YOU TALKED ABOUT HAS BEEN ATTEMPTED IN THE PAST AND HOCKEY TEAM IS IN UCAW.

>> IT'S ABOUT LEADERSHIP, BUT ALSO WHAT I SAY, I WANT TO UNDERPROMISE AND OVERDELIVER.

I THINK A LOT OF TIMES THE PREVIOUS COYOTES OWNERSHIP GROUPS OVERPROMISED TO FANS, GUARANTEEING THEY'RE GOING TO WIN A STATE LAND AUCTION, THAT FELL APART TWO DAYS IN ADVANCE.

WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS WORK WITH THE FOLKS BEHIND THE SCENES, DO THE HARD WORK BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

NOT LOOKING FOR CAMERA FLASH BULBS, NOT LOOKING FOR HEADLINES.

WE'RE GOING TO ANNOUNCE NEWS WHEN THERE IS NEWS.

IT HAS TO BE DONE IN COLLABORATIVE EFFORT WITH THE EXPERTS.

>> HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE NHL?

WHAT ARE THEY SAYING IN THE COMMISSIONER HAS BEEN SO HIGH ON ARIZONA, ALMOST TO A FAULT.

I WOULD IMAGINE HE'S INTERESTED BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW INTERESTED.

>> THE WHOLE PROCESS STARTED ALMOST A YEAR AGO WHEN I CALLED GARY BETTMAN, THE COMMISSIONER OF THE NHL AND GOT A MEETING WITH HIM, TO THE SURPRISE AND SHOCK OF MY STAFF.

WE HAD A GREAT INTERESTING.

WHEN I SAID THIS IS WHAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN, HE SAID ABSOLUTELY.

HE'S BEEN A GREAT PARTNER.

FROM GARY BETTMAN'S PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE NOT ENTITLED TO A HOCKEY OR NHL TEAM.

WE HAVE TO EARN IT.

DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.

HE'S WATCHING US, WATCHING SEVERAL OTHER CITIES.

I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE OTHER CITIES.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT PHOENIX.

I'M WORKING AS A REGIONAL BOOSTER, A COMMUNITY ADVOCATE AND SAYING THIS IS THE GREATEST PLACE TO HOST SPORTS.

WE HAVE THE SUPER BOWL, WE HAVE NASCAR.

THE PHOENIX OPEN.

WE CAN DO THIS.

TED: LAST QUESTION, WE CAN DO THIS, WE TRIED IT AND DIDN'T WORK LAST TIME, THAT'S A. FOR THOSE WATCHING, SAYING WHY SHOULD I POSSIBLY CARE AT ALL ABOUT US GETTING, THE COMMUNITY GETTING AN NHL HOCKEY FRANCHISE?

>> SALT LAKE CITY IS HAPPY THEY TOOK AWAY OUR TEAM.

SECONDLY THE ENTIRE COUNTRY TOOK NOTICE WE LOST A TEAM AND PLAYED OUT IN NATIONAL HEADLINES HOW THE PROCESS FELL APART.

AND THREE IT'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DRIVER.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SURPRISED ME AFTER INITIAL ANNOUNCEMENT IN JANUARY IS HOW MANY BUSINESSES WERE AFFECTED BY THE LOSS OF THE COYOTES WHO REACHED OUT AND TOLD ME, INCLUDING THEIR DENTIST, OKAY, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ASPECTS.

IT'S ABOUT DEVELOPMENT.

TED: THOMAS GALVIN TALKING ABOUT THE ADVISORY PANEL ON PRO HOCKEY TO ARIZONA, GREAT TO SEE YOU.

>> GREAT, TED, THANK YOU.

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TED: UKRAINIAN CLASSICAL GUITARIST MARKO TOPCHII VISITED ASU AS PART OF A CONCERT TOUR.

HE WAS BORN INTO A MUSICAL FAMILY IN UKRAINE AND TALENTS HONORED AND RECOGNIZED WORLDWIDE.

HE'S USING MUSIC TO REPRESENT HIS CULTURE AND HIS COUNTRY.

THE TEAM AT CENTRAL SOUND AT ARIZONA PBS HAS THIS REPORT.

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>> Reporter: FOR GUITARISTS ALL OVER THE WORLD, THERE'S ONE COMPETITION THAT STANDS OUT FROM THE REST.

THE GUITAR FOUNDATION OF AMERICA INTERNATIONAL GUITARIST.

MARKO TOPCHII SPOKE ABOUT HIS COMPETITION JOURNEY AND RESOLVE TO CREATE A LEGACY AS A UKRAINIAN MUSICIAN.

>> UNUSUALLY FOR MYSELF, I LISTENED TO THE PERFORMANCE, I WAS GETTING USED TO THE FACT THIS HAPPENED.

THAT THIS WAS ME.

I REMEMBER I WAS VERY GLAD ABOUT THAT PERFORMANCE BECAUSE I KNOW HOW I COULD HAVE BROKEN DOWN IN ANY MOMENT POSSIBLE, AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT HAVING A GOOD DAY.

I WAS LATE FOR THE COMPETITION.

I WAS LATE FOR THE SOUND CHECK, FORGOT MY HEAD SET, I WAS MY TYPICAL SELF, AND THEN YOU JUST HAVE TO BE FOCUSED WHEN YOU PERFORM.

♪ Reporter: THE GFA STANDS FOR GUITAR FOUNDATION OF AMERICA, AND AN ORGANIZATION THAT SUPPORTS THE GUITAR INTERNATIONALLY.

SEEING THEY THINK CARRIES THE MOST INTERNATIONAL INTRIGUE IS THE COMPETITION, AND THIS COMPETITION HAS BECOME SOMEWHAT OF THE INTERNATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP FOR CLASSICAL GUITARISTS AND ATTRACTS THE TOP PLAYERS FROM AROUND THE WORLD, THEY COME SEEKING THE PRIZE WHICH IS NOT JUST CASH, CASH IS GREAT, BUT A BIG CONCERT TOUR.

>> I DECIDED TO USE A LOT OF COMPETITIONS AS MY MEANS OF DEVELOPMENT.

I ACTUALLY HAD TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY THE WAY I LIKE OR THE WAY I NEED TO BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE ON STAGE AT A COMPETITION WHEN YOU KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT ONLY LISTENING TO YOU BUT HEAVILY EVALUATING YOU, IT BECOMES A MIND BENDING THING THAT SOMETIMES YOU SURRENDER, SO NOT SURRENDERING YOUR THINKING IS AN IMPORTANT SKILL I HAVE TO LEARN TO DEVELOP.

>> MARKO STANDS OUT NOT JUST BECAUSE HE WAS A WINNER.

HE STANDS OUT BECAUSE HE'S AN ARTIST AND HAS BEEN FROM THE DAY I MET MARKO.

THROUGH YEARS COMPETING, HE WON A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT COMPETITIONS AND PROBABLY DIDN'T WIN A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT OF COMPETITIONS OF SOMETIMES THE SAFER PLAYER WINS.

THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING SAFE WITH MARKO.

HE'S GOING TO DO SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE.

>> SO MANY TIMES I HAVE BEEN CRITICIZED FOR BEING NOT CONSERVATIVE IN THE PROGRAM, AND THIS IS VERY OFTEN THE REASON WHY THERE WERE EITHER CERTAIN NOTES OR I WOULDN'T SAY CERTAIN NOTES BUT I WOULD BE IN THE FINALS AND NOT GET THE TOP PRIZE, FOR EXAMPLE.

>> WITH MARKO, ALL I EVER FELT WHEN I HANDED HIM SECOND OR THIRD PRIZE, ALL I EVER FELT WAS GRATITUDE AND APPRECIATION.

AS THE ORGANIZER, I DON'T ROOT FOR ANYONE.

I ROOT FOR EVERYONE TO DO THEIR BEST.

I ROOT FOR THE JURY TO DO THEIR WORK IN THE MOST EQUITABLE WAY AND I'M ALWAYS HAPPY FOR WHOEVER WINS, BUT I WILL SAY THERE WAS A LITTLE EXTRA HAPPINESS WHEN I GOT TO HAND HIM THE NUMBER ONE PRIZE AND THE WORLD WAS THERE TO CELEBRATE WITH HIM.

I WAS REALLY HAPPY FOR HIM IN THAT MOMENT.

>> HE HAS OFFICIALLY COMPETED WITH US FOR THE VERY LAST TIME.

FIRST PRIZE.

MARKO TOPCHII FROM UKRAINE.

[ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ] >> Reporter: THE 2022 RUSSIAN INVASION INTO UKRAINE CHANGED THE LIVES OF UKRAINIANS FOREVER.

MARKO TOOK A MOMENT TO REFLECT HIS ROLE AS A MUSICIAN AMIDST THE CONFLICT.

>> WHEN THE INVASION INTO UKRAINE HAPPENED, I WAS THINKING I SHOULD ACTUALLY ACCELERATE IN MY OWN DEVELOPMENT IN MY WORK ON UKRAINIAN MUSIC.

THAT'S THE POINT I DECIDED I NEED TO KEEP WORKING ON WHEREVER I AM AS A UKRAINIAN REPRESENTATIVE.

IMMEDIATELY WHEN THE WAR BEGAN, I REALIZE THEY NEED TO MAKE AN ARRANGEMENT ON SOMETHING UKRAINIAN.

>> I WOULD SAY MOST OF US ARE NOT PARTICULARLY FAMILIAR WITH COMPOSERS FROM UKRAINE.

MARKO IS WORKING TO CHANGE THAT WHICH IS COOL, HE IS FREQUENTLY PRESENTING WORKS FROM HIS COUNTRY, AND PART OF WHAT I LOVE AND APPRECIATE ABOUT MARKO IS THAT MARKO IS WHO HE IS BECAUSE OF FROM ONCE HE COMES AND CELEBRATES THAT AND BRINGS THAT ALL TO US, SO HE HAS PRESENTED MORE UKRAINIAN COMPOSERS IN COMPETITION ON STAGE, AND HIS MOTHER IS HIS PIANIST COMPOSURE.

>> IT'S MY NEED TO WORK ON UKRAINIAN MUSIC AND CONTINUE OR EXPAND THE LEGACY OF THE CULTURE.

EVERY TIME I PERFORM THE PIECE, I FEEL LIKE I'M TRANSFERRING THIS LOVE OF ENERGY TO MY LOVE.

I GET TO INVOLVE PEOPLE IN THE PROCESS AND STRATEGIC THEY PUT THIS PIECE TO THE VERY END OF MY PROGRAM BECAUSE IT HAS A CERTAIN PEDESTAL, TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T GO UNNOTICED BECAUSE OF THE PLACEMENT OF THE PIECE.

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>> THE SITUATION IS SO INTENSE, LITERALLY WHEN THE FIRST ROCKETS HIT MY CITY, THE CAPITAL OF UKRAINE, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.

YOU DON'T KNOW IF UKRAINE WILL BE ACTUALLY CAPTURED ALTOGETHER AND PEOPLE WILL BE REPRESSED, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR WHO THEY ARE OR WHAT THEY THINK.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN EASILY POSSIBLE HAD NOT THE UKRAINIANS DECIDED TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.

A LOT OF FATES HAVE BEEN CHANGED, MAJOR CHANGE OF PLANS FOR EVERYONE.

TO ME, IT'S BOTH THAT I HAVE TO MODEL AS MYSELF AND I HAVE TO ACCELERATE AND I HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE.

IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE PERSON THAT I WAS BEFORE THE INVASION AND ALL THAT TOGETHER MAKES YOU UNDERSTAND.

ALL THE DRONE BOMBINGS AND SHELLINGS ARE REAL AND NOT JUST HAPPENING SOMEWHERE ELSE.

BY BEING UKRAINIAN AND BY BEING ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH PEOPLE AFTER CONCERT OR IN MY SOCIAL MEDIA SPACE, WHICH IS THE PLACE TO DISCUSS THINGS THAT ARE GLOBAL, I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY.

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TED: A PROGRAMMING NOTE.

WE WILL REAIR THIS SEGMENT ON MARKO TOPCHII AT 11:00 FOLLOWED BY THE PORCELAIN WAR, THE STORY OF THREE ARTISTS WHO CHOOSE TO STAY IN WAR-TORN UKRAINE.

ALL TONIGHT ON ARIZONA PBS.

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TED: A NEW BOOK LOOKS AT THE IMPACT OF THREE INFLUENTIAL WOMEN IN IGNITING A MOVEMENT THAT CHANGED THE WAY SOCIETY ADDRESSED BREAST CANCER.

THE BOOK IS TITLED SISTERS: SHIRLEY TEMPLE BLACK, ROSE KUSHNER, EVELYN LAUDER AND THE DAWN OF THE BREAST CANCER MOVEMENT."

WE WELCOME THE AUTHOR OF "RADICAL SISTERS," JUDITH PEARSON.

WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

TED: CONGRATULATIONS ON THE BOOK.

THIS IS SOMETHING HERE.

I WANT YOU TO EXPLAIN THE TITLE, THOUGH, "RADICAL SISTERS."

>> IF YOU'RE OF AN AGE WHEN WE USED TO SAY THINGS WERE RAD MEANING IT WAS REALLY COOL, RADICAL HAS THAT CONNOTATION, IT ALSO HAS THE CONNOTATION OF DOING SOMETHING REALLY OUT OF THE BOX, OUT OF THE ORDINARY, BUT IN BREAST CANCER, THE RADICAL MASTECTOMY THAT WAS DONE INTO THE 80s AND 90s TOOK WOMEN'S LYMPH NODES, PECTORAL MUSCLES, BONES, SOMETIMES WOMEN WERE DEBILITATED FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.

THE MIDDLE LADY, MY MIDDLE SISTER TOOK CARE OF THAT.

TED: THAT WAS ROSE KUSHNER.

>> EXACTLY.

EVERYONE KNOWS SHIRLEY TEMPLE BLACK, EVELYN LAUDER, THE ESTEE LAUDER FAMILY THERE.

ALL BIG NAMES.

THE THREE OF THESE, HOW LOUD DID THEY HAVE TO GET TO CHANGE WHAT SEEMED LIKE A PARADIGM WHEN IT CAME TO BREAST CANCER?

>> FIRST OF ALL, IT'S INTEREST TO REMEMBER THAT CANCER DOESN'T DISCRIMINATE.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU ARE RICH OR POOR, WHITE OR BLACK, FAMOUS OR NOT FAMOUS, IT GIVES US POOR, ORDINARY PEOPLE A FEELING OF FEELING BETTER ABOUT THE WHOLE THING.

SHIRLEY WAS THE FIRST CELEBRITY TO TALK ABOUT CANCER.

SHE HAD A PRESS CANCER IN THE HOSPITAL ROOM AT A TIME WHEN CANCER WAS THOUGHT TO BE CONTAGIOUS, SHE WAS IN THE HOSPITAL ROOM WITH THE GARDENIA IN HER HAIR, AND ALL THE JOURNALISTS WERE ASKING QUESTIONS, THAT WAS RADICAL IN AND OF ITSELF.

AND SHE WROTE AN ENORMOUSLY LONG ARTICLE FOR McCALL'S MAGAZINE, AND WENT ON THE MIKE DOUGLAS SHOW, AND ALL THOSE THREE THINGS WERE NEVER DONE.

TED: WHY WERE THEY NEVER DONE?

TALK ABOUT THE MYTH HOW CANCER WASN'T MENTIONED, BREAST CANCER WAS HARDLY MENTIONED, WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH SOCIETY?

>> IN IN ADDITION TO THE MYTH THAT CANCER WAS CONTAGIOUS, IT DIDN'T HAVE A GREAT OUTCOME.

ABOUT THE TIME SHIRLEY WAS DIAGNOSED IN 1972, HALF OF THOSE DIAGNOSED SURVIVED THE DISEASE.

WE WERE JUST BEGINNING TO USE RADIATION AND CHEMOTHERAPY, IT WAS A DEATH SENTENCE AND TOO FRIGHTENING TO THINK ABOUT.

TED: IT WAS THOUGHT ABOUT AS A TABOO, WAS IT NOT?

>> THAT, TOO.

THE CONTAGION THING, IF YOU HAD IT, FAMILY HAD IT, NOBODY WANTED TO BE YOUR FRIEND.

TED: THAT AND RESEARCH, THERE WAS A LACK OF RESEARCH GOING ON.

SEEMS LIKE THERE WASN'T THE KIND OF RESEARCH ON THIS THAT WE SEE OR SAW, I GUESS, IN OTHER DISEASES AND CONDITIONS.

>> WHEN I WAS A LITTLE GIRL, MY DAD WOULD SAY GOOD LITTLE GIRLS SHOULD BE SEEN AND NOT HEARD.

THAT WAS THE CASE WITH BREAST CANCER SURVIVORS.

THEY REALIZED, ADVOCATES REALIZED THEY NEEDED MONEY FOR RESEARCH BUT WEREN'T GETTING THE MONEY, AND THEN TOOK A PAGE OUT OF THE AIDS MOVEMENT BOOK BECAUSE THE AIDS PEOPLE GOT ORGANIZED QUICKLY, THEY MADE LOTS OF NOISE, HAD CELEBRITIES ATTACHED TO IT, AND AFTER THESE THREE GLORIOUS SISTERS DID THEIR WORK, IN THE EARLY 90s, THAT'S WHEN THE BREAST CANCER MOVEMENT GOT STARTED.

TED: YOU MENTIONED THE THREE GLORIOUS SISTERS, THEY NEVER MET, DID THEY?

>> THEY DIDN'T.

THEY DID NOT.

JUST AN INSIDE STORY HOW YOU WRITE A BOOK.

I WANTED TO WRITE ABOUT ROSE KUSHNER, MY AGENT AND EDITOR SAID WE NEED FAMOUS NAMES TOSSED IN THERE, AND I PUSHED BACK ABOUT IT, AND THEY WERE OBVIOUSLY RIGHT.

ONE STORY FLOWS INTO THE NEXT AND THE BOOK ENDS IN THE YEAR 2000.

TED: YEAH, YEAH, HOW LOUD DID THEY HAVE TO GET TO GET THEIR VOICES HEARD?

>> THEY GOT REALLY LOUD, AND THEY BECAME VERY GRAPHIC IN THEIR DESCRIPTIONS OF WHAT LIFE WAS LIKE TRYING TO SURVIVE CANCER.

THEY MADE SURE THAT THOSE ADVOCATES WHO STILL HAD THE DISEASE WERE FRONT AND CENTER.

TO REALLY EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE, LOOK, WE CAN STOP THIS, WE JUST NEED AWARENESS FOR THE RESEARCH, AND LET ME JUST TOSS IN, I KNOW WE'RE GOING INTO OCTOBER AND SOMETIMES WE GET REALLY, REALLY TIRED OF AWARENESS AND TIRED OF PINK.

IF IT WASN'T FOR THE AWARENESS PART OF IT, SPA ESPECIALLY EVELYN LAUDER CREATED, THE RESEARCH DOLLARS NEVER WOULD HAVE FLOWED.

TED: HOW DID SHEVATE THAT?

>> SHE STARTED THE BREAST CANCER RESEARCH FOUNDATION, WHICH WAS WILLING TO TAKE A CHANCE ON OUT OF THE BOX THINKING WHEN IT CAME TO DIAGNOSTICS AND TREATMENT, AND THEN SHE WAS A CO-CREATOR OF THE PINK RIBBON, AND AGAIN, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LIKE, THE PINK RIBBON, I WAS THAT WAY TOO, BUT IT IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE REMEMBER TO KEEP THE PEDAL TO THE METAL AS FAR AS RESEARCH GOES.

TED: AND ROSE KUSHNER?

>> TESTIFIED BEFORE CONGRESS BEGGING FOR MONEY FOR RESEARCH AND INSURANCE TO COVER MAMMOGRAMS AND RECONSTRUCTION.

TED: DID YOU FIND ANYTHING SURPRISING IN YOUR RESEARCH?

EXTRA SURPRISING?

>> THE THREE OF THEM, AS YOUNG WOMEN, SHIRLEY, AS A CHILD, ALMOST DIED.

EACH OF THEM INDIVIDUALLY.

IF THEY HAD DIED, IMAGINE HOW DIFFERENT THINGS WOULD BE, AND I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY NOT TO GO ALL WOO-WOO ON YOU, BUT THAT FASCINATING.

TED: YEAH, IT'S FASCINATING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 1970s.

>> AND 80s AND 90s, I KNOW.

TED: IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO.

>> IT WAS NOT.

IT WAS NOT.

AND IN FACT, WOMEN WEREN'T INCLUDED IN CLINICAL TRIALS UNTIL THE 1990s.

IMAGINE THAT.

TED: SO WHAT GOT YOU TO WRITE THIS BOOK?

>> I HAD WRITTEN TWO OTHER BOOKS THAT WERE ABOUT OTHER CANCER HEROES, AND THEN AS I SAID, I MET ROSE KUSHNER, MET WITH THE RESEARCH FOR THOSE, SO I'VE WRITTEN THIS ACCIDENTAL OUT OF ORDER TRILOGY LIKE GEORGE LUCAS, BUT WITHOUT THE MONEY.

[ LAUGHTER ] >> YES.

CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS.

THIS IS WELL DONE, AND AGAIN YOU'RE AT CHANGING HANDS IN PHOENIX TOMORROW NIGHT?

>> AT 6:30.

EVERYBODY COME.

TED: "RADICAL SISTERS," GREAT WORK, GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

>> THANKS, TED, THANK YOU.

TED: THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.