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TED: COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," THE LATEST ON THE U.S.

MILITARY'S CAPTURE OF VENEZUELAN PRESIDENT NICOLAS MADURO.

>>> ALSO TONIGHT, WHAT BUSINESS LEADERS WANT TO SEE FROM THE UPCOMING STATE LEGISLATIVE SESSION?

>>> HOW TO AVOID BURNOUT AMID THE NEW YEAR AMID THE PRESSURE TO SET AND ACHIEVE GOALS?

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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TED: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

THE PENTAGON TODAY STARTED ADMINISTRATIVE ACTIONS AGAINST ARIZONA SENATOR MARK KELLY.

VENEZUELAN LEADER NICOLAS MADURO AND HIS WIFE APPEARED IN U.S.

FEDERAL COURT AND PLEADED NOT GUILTY TO FEDERAL DRUG TRAFFICKING AND WEAPONS CHARGES.

MADURO TOLD THE JUDGE HE AND HIS WIFE WERE, QUOTE, KIDNAPPED BY U.S.

FORCES AND, QUOTE, I AM STILL PRESIDENT OF MY COUNTRY.

FOR MORE WHAT HAPPENED OVER THE WEEKEND AND THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THE U.S.

MILITARY OPERATION, WE WELCOME DR.

EVELYN FARKAS, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE McCAIN INSTITUTE AT ASU.

DR.

FARKAS, GOOD TO SEE YOU.

ALWAYS A PLEASURE.

THOUGHT OF YOU REALLY QUICKLY BECAUSE I WANTED TO GET YOUR INITIAL THOUGHTS ON ALL OF THIS?

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME, TED, ALWAYS A PLEASURE.

TED: OKAY.

YOUR INITIAL THOUGHTS WHEN YOU FIRST HEARD OF THIS?

>> WELL, LOOK, I THINK, THERE'S A LOT ABOUT THIS THAT IS, I GUESS, PUZZLING WOULD BE THE MOST NEUTRAL WAY OF PUTTING IT BECAUSE I HAD TOLD YOU, I BELIEVE BEFORE, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT VENEZUELA THAT I WONDERED WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION'S OBJECTIVES WERE BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T TELLING US EXACTLY WHY THEY WERE BOMBING BOATS WITH COCAINE GOING TO EUROPE BUT TALKING ABOUT FENTANYL GOING FROM VENEZUELA TO THE UNITED STATES?

AND THEY HADN'T AT THAT POINT TALKED ABOUT OIL.

THEY DID TALK ABOUT MADURO BEING THE HEAD OF NARCOTERRORIST CARTEL, THERE WERE QUESTIONS GOING INTO THE PAST WEEKEND, BUT THIS OPERATION AND PRESIDENT TRUMP'S COMMENTS AND, THEN SOME CONTRADICTORY COMMENTS BY SECRETARY OF STATE HAVE CONTINUED TO CONFUSE MATTERS.

SO I THINK FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND FOR YOUR VIEWERS, THERE MUST BE A LOT OF CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY WE'RE DOING IN VENEZUELA AND MAYBE THERE IS SOMETHING IN IT FOR MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE, AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT BEING CLEAR ABOUT IT OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO UNDERSTAND WE WANT MORE DEMOCRACIES AROUND THE WORLD TO KEEP US SAFE AND SECURE AND DO MORE TRADE ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD, WE APPLAUD THAT, ESPECIALLY SINCE MADURO STOLE THE LAST ELECTION IN VENEZUELA FROM DEMOCRATS WHO WOULD HAVE HAD A PRO-U.S.

POLICY, WHO WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN LIKELY CORRUPT, AND ONE OF THEM, OF COURSE, GOT THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE, SHE'S PART OF THAT OPPOSITION COALITION, SO I THINK PEOPLE LIKE ME CAN FIND MERIT IN GETTING RID OF MADURO BUT THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS ARE WHAT'S NEXT, AND DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S A CLEAR PLAN, AND PART OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH LACK OF CLARITY ABOUT THE OBJECTIVE.

TED: THE PRESIDENT SAYING THE U.S.

WILL RUN VENEZUELA.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

INITIALLY THE PRESIDENT SAID THERE WILL BE BOOTS ON THE GROUND, AND BACKED OFF ON THAT, AND THE BIG OIL COMPANIES WILL BE ASSIGNED TO REDISTRIBUTE AND JUST -- I DON'T KNOW, REFURBISH VENEZUELA'S OIL INDUSTRY.

WE'RE NOT SURE IF THAT'S EVEN LEGAL.

WHAT IS GOING ON?

WHAT DO WE KNOW?

>> RIGHT.

I MEAN, THE PRESIDENT SOUNDED LIKE HE WAS LAYING OUT A 19th CENTURY POWER GRAB FOR VENEZUELA'S OIL, WHICH, BY THE WAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY NAME NATIONALIZED THE OIL INDUSTRY IN VENEZUELA, IT WAS DONE WITH A LOT OF WARNING TO THE U.S.

COMPANIES AND THERE WERE AND ARE SOME LEGAL PROCESSES, SO IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S AN OUTSTANDING GRIEVANCE BY THE COMPANIES NECESSARILY.

BUT IN ANY EVENT, PRESIDENT TRUMP TALKED ABOUT IT AS IF WE'RE GOING IN THERE TO GET OIL, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NECESSARILY SIGN UP FOR.

THAT'S REALLY 19th CENTURY IMPERIALISTS.

AT THE SAME TIME, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, SECRETARY OF STATE RUBIO SAID THAT WE WANT A DEMOCRATIC REGIME, WE WANT REGIME CHANGE.

IF YOU WANT REGIME CHANGE, AND IF YOU WANT THE OIL, YOU NEED ANOTHER PIECE OF IT.

SOMEBODY HAS TO BE IN CONTROL, THAT YOU CAN TRUST, AND THE VENEZUELAN ARMED FORCES HAS TO BE ON THE SIDE OF U.S.

INTERESTS, AND THAT IS UNCLEAR RIGHT NOW.

THIS NEW SWORN -- NEWLY SWORN-IN VICE PRESIDENT UNDER MADURO WHO IS COMPLETELY CORRUPT AND COMPLICIT IN HIS CRIMES, SHE'S GOING TO TOE THE LINE AND DO WHAT THE UNITED STATES DOES.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S CREDIBLE.

TED: AND ALSO, IF THE OIL COMPANIES DO GO IN THERE AND REBUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE AS THE PRESIDENT SAYS, WHO'S GOING TO PROTECT THEM?

IT'S GOING TO BE AMERICAN U.S.

TROOPS, WILL IT NOT?

>> WELL, UNLESS SOMEHOW THE VENEZUELAN MILITARY CAN BE CONVINCED TO DO THIS, BUT THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A BENEFIT TO THEM, WHICH MEANS THAT THEN WE WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY PAYING THE MILITARY THAT'S WORKING STILL FOR THIS CORRUPT DRUG-SMUGGLING, HUMAN RIGHTS-VIOLATING.

AMERICANS AND OTHERS ARE HELD BY THE NEW PRESIDENT AND BY THE MADURO REGIME.

WE WOULD BE COMPLICIT NOW IN THEIR GOVERNMENT IF WE'RE PROVIDING MONEY AND MAKING A DEAL WITH THEM.

SO THERE ARE A LOT OF PROBLEMS HERE MORALLY, LEGALLY, ET CETERA.

TED: THERE ARE ALSO PROBLEMS AMONG SOME ON CAPITOL HILL, MANY ON CAPITOL HILL BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL FOR ANY OF THIS.

SECRETARY OF STATE RUBIO SAID THE MISSION DIDN'T NEED LEGISLATIVE OKAY, DOES HE HAVE A POINT THERE?

>> HE HAS A NARROW POINT AND IT'S A LEGAL POINT.

UNDER U.S.

DOMESTIC LAW, IF WE FIND THAT SOMEBODY IS THE HEAD OF A DRUG CARTEL WHO'S VIOLATING OUR LAWS WHEN IT COMES TO NARCOTERRORISM, NARCOTRAFFICKING, THEN WE CAN GO AND USE A LONG ARM OF THE U.S.

LAW AND SEEK THEM AND EXTRADITE THEM FORCIBLY INTO THE UNITED STATES.

THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE NORMALLY DO WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE COUNTRY INVOLVED, BUT NOT UNPRECEDENTED AND UNDER U.S.

LAW IT'S NOT ILLEGAL.

UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW IS A DIFFERENT QUESTION.

TED: YEAH.

>> AND POLITICALLY, AS YOU ASKED IN THE BEGINNING, POLITICALLY IT'S NOT THE BEST IDEA BECAUSE THE END OF THE DAY, ACCORDING TO U.S.

LAW AND OUR CONSTITUTION, CONGRESS PAYS THE BILLS, AND THIS IS GOING TO AND HAS ALREADY COST SOME MONEY, AND CONGRESS HAS TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS HERE, AND CONGRESS SPEAKS FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, AND ANY KIND OF FOREIGN INTERVENTION OF THIS NATURE, EVEN IF LIMITED, YOU WANT TO HAVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BEHIND YOU.

YOU WANT TO HAVE CONGRESS BEHIND YOU.

SO POLITICALLY, I DON'T THINK IT WAS WISE AT ALL ON THE PART OF THIS ADMINISTRATION, TO BASICALLY DISMISS THE ROLE OF CONGRESS.

TED: EVELYN, COMPARE THIS, WHAT THE U.S.

DID IN VENEZUELA, TO WHAT RUSSIA, OBVIOUSLY ON A MUCH GRANDER AND HARSHER SCALE, IS DOING IN UKRAINE AND WHAT THE WORLD WORRIES THAT CHINA MIGHT DO IN TAIWAN?

>> WELL, THESE THINGS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, TED, WITH THE ONLY COMMONALITY BEING WE WENT INTO VENEZUELA WITHOUT ANY COVER INTERNATIONALLY, WHICH IS TO SAY, THERE WERE NO U.N.

RESOLUTIONS THAT COULD BE CONSTRUED AS SUPPORTIVE OF GETTING RID OF MADURO.

THERE WAS NO COALITION OF THE WILLING, SO SOME KIND OF CONSENSUS.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY FULL-BLOWN LEGAL, BUT ANYWAY, DEMONSTRATES TO THE WORLD THERE'S A LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT FOR THE UNITED STATES TO GO IN AND TAKE OUT A LEADER.

THOSE THINGS WERE MISSING, AND IN THAT SENSE, IT'S LIKE THE INVASION OF UKRAINE OR SOMETHING THAT THE CHINESE PRESIDENT MIGHT CONSIDER DOING, VIS-A-VIS TAIWAN.

HOWEVER, IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE DID A CLEAN OPERATION, WE MINIMIZED, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, CASUALTIES OF INNOCENT BYSTANDERS, LIMITED SCOPE AND CERTAINLY NO HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS.

NO RAPING, NO TORTURING, NO STEALING CHILDREN AND TAKING THEM TO RUSSIA AS THE RUSSIANS DID IN UKRAINE.

WE HAVE NOT SAID WE'RE GOING TO SEIZE VENEZUELA AND KEEP IT FOREVER AND ERASE THE VENEZUELAN IDENTITY AND MAKE IT PART OF THE UNITED STATES.

IN THAT SENSE, IT'S COMPLETELY NOT COMPARABLE.

IT'S A VERY, VERY NARROW WAY TO COMPARE THEM.

YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN THAT WE CAN'T TRUST DICTATORS LIKE PUTIN AND XI NOT TO TURN AROUND AND SAY, WELL, I'M GOING TO MAKE UP SOME KIND OF EXCUSE BECAUSE THEY DON'T SEE -- THE WORLD HASN'T UNDERSTOOD THE ARGUMENT THE UNITED STATES IS MAKING TO TAKE OUT MADURO SUFFICIENTLY.

SO THE OTHER LEADERS CAN USE THIS INFORMATION, AND THEY CAN FABRICATE AN ARGUMENT AND SAY WE HAVE THE POWER TO DO IT SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO IT.

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

WE'VE HAD POWER AS THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT ALL ALONG UNDER PRESIDENT BUSH, WE REMEMBER THE IRAQ INVASION.

WE HAD THE POWER TO DO IT WITHOUT ANY OTHER COUNTRIES YET WE DIDN'T.

WE DIDN'T DO IT IN THE FIRST GULF WAR OR THE WAR AGAINST IRAQ.

ESSENTIALLY THE SMART WAY TO GO IF YOU WANT INTERNATIONAL CREDIBILITY AND DON'T WANT THE OTHER COUNTRIES FOLLOWING YOUR LEAD -- MEANING RUSSIA, AND CHINA, AND SEIZING THEIR NEIGHBORS -- IS TO GET OTHER COUNTRIES ON BOARD.

TED: LAST QUESTION, WE'RE RUNNING SHORT ON TIME HERE.

IF YOU'RE A CANADIAN OFFICIAL, AN OFFICIAL IN CUBA, IF YOU'RE AN OFFICIAL IN GREENLAND, DENMARK.

ALL THESE PLACES, COLOMBIA.

IS THAT THE FIRST SHOE TO FALL?

>> WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO BE RUNNING TO CAPITOL HILL, YOU'RE GOING TO BE REMINDING MEMBERS OF CONGRESS THAT THEY HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO DECLARE WAR, EVEN IN THIS CASE WITH VENEZUELA GOING FORWARD, CONGRESS HAS TO AUTHORIZE ANY FURTHER MILITARY FORCE, WHICH IT HAS NOT DONE, AND THAT'S ACCORDING TO U.S.

LAW, AND THE WAR POWERS RESOLUTION, SO IF YOU'RE IN THOSE COUNTRIES, YOU WANT TO SLEEP WITH ONE EYE OPEN AND WANT TO GO UP TO CAPITOL HILL.

TED: ALL RIGHT, DR.

EVELYN FARKAS, McCAIN INSTITUTE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

GREAT CONVERSATION.

ALWAYS A PLEASURE.

>> THANK YOU, TED.

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TED: WE'RE HEARING FROM ADVOCATES OF VARIOUS ISSUES THIS WEEK TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE THIS UPCOMING SESSION.

WE KICK THINGS OFF TONIGHT WITH WHAT THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY WILL BE WATCHING.

JOINING US IS DANNY SEIDEN, PRESIDENT OF ARIZONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE INDUSTRY AND PRESIDENT OF THE GREATER PHOENIX CHAMBER.

YOU ARE ALWAYS THE HAPPIEST GROUP?

WE'RE HERE TO DELIVER.

>> WE GET ADVOCATES AND BUSINESS, YOU GUYS ARE UP.

WHAT MORE CAN YOU ASK FOR, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR?

DANIEL, START WITH YOU?

>> LOOKING FOR PREDICTABILITY, RELIABILITY AND NOT TAKING OUR FOOT OFF THE GAS.

ARIZONA HAS DONE VERY WELL IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC GROWTH.

THIS SESSION WE'RE HOPING THAT LEGISLATORS RETURN TO TAKING A STATEWIDE APPROACH TO THE BUDGET PROCESS.

WE'RE TRYING TO THINK BIGGER LONG-TERM RATHER THAN INDIVIDUAL PORK-TYPE PROJECTS.

OUR HOPE REALLY IS THAT THE POLICIES THAT WE PUSH FOR THAT HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL INCLUDING ARIZONA COMMERCE AUTHORITY, INCLUDING SECURITIZATION OF THE UTILITIES, ALL THE MOVES THAT STRENGTHEN OUR ECONOMIC COMPETITIVENESS.

TED: WITH THE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, DO YOU EMPHASIZE THE NEW OR BUILDING UP WHAT'S ALREADY THERE?

>> FOR US, TO DANNY'S POINT, IT'S A LESS IS MORE APPROACH.

AS YOU SAW FROM THE LAST SEGMENT, IT'S A LITTLE UNPREDICTABLE OUT THERE, NOT JUST VENEZUELA BUT UNITED STATES AND ARIZONA, AND THE POINT THAT WAS MADE EARLIER, THIS ECONOMY IS OUTPERFORMING ALMOST EVERY ECONOMY IN THE COUNTRY, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT HAVING POLICY SWINGS TO THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT OR STAYING TRUE UP THE MIDDLE, DOING THE BUDGET DEFICIT AND DOING THE BUDGET IN THE WAY THAT GOES BACK TO TRADITIONAL APPROACH.

TED: TAXATION, HOW MUCH MORE CAN BE CUT, AND HOW DO YOU FIND THE BALANCE BETWEEN LOWER TAX RATES AND SERVICES?

>> IF YOU LOOK WHERE WE ARE WITH THE BUDGET AND WE DON'T KNOW THE FULL IMPACT OF HR1 OR THE BIG, BEAUTIFUL BILL, I'VE HEARD PROJECTIONS IN THE BILLIONS OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

THERE'S A VERY EASY SOLUTION TO CLOSE THE GAP.

THAT IS THESTENSION OF PROP 123.

THE CHAMBERS AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN CALLING FOR SIMPLE EXTENSION OF PROP 123.

$300 MILLION A YEAR RIGHT THERE.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO RAISE TAXES, THAT'S ALL OUR LAND TRUST.

>> TO THAT POINT, DANNY IS RIGHT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE INFLOW, 165 BILLION, LOOK AT THAT.

$165 BILLION FOREIGN INVESTMENT IN ARIZONA BECAUSE OF WORKFORCE.

WE NEED THE RIGHT WORKFORCE.

THIS INVESTMENT WHICH CREATES OPPORTUNITY ON THE BUDGET SIDE, I THINK IT'S A WIN-WIN.

TED: DOES THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY GET INVOLVED WITH THE ESA ARGUMENT AND GUARDRAILS ARE NEEDED?

I DON'T THINK ANYONE SUGGESTS IT'S GOING OFF IN THE SUNSET, SOME SUGGEST THE THINGS ARE PAID FOR, A LITTLE OUT OF BALANCE.

>> THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS LOOKED AT LAST YEAR.

FOR US, ESAS ARE SOMETHING YOU SHOULD LOOK AT.

IF THERE ARE BAD ACTORS I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS GOING TO OBJECT LOOKING AT THAT.

MAKE SURE YOU MAKE THE PROPER INVESTMENT IN EDUCATION AND POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION SO YOU HAVE THE WORKFORCE THAT IS NECESSARY TO POWER THIS ECONOMY.

TED: HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE -- YOU TALK ABOUT ANYTHING YOU WANT EDUCATION IN THE SUBTEXT THERE, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU WANT KIDS GRADUATING WITH SKILLS AND THE THINGS UPSTAIRS THAT WILL GET THE ECONOMY GOING AND MAKE FOR A GOOD COMMUNITY AND A GOOD SOCIETY?

>> YOU ARE RIGHT, THAT HELPS WITH ECONOMIC COMPETITIVENESS.

WE'VE SEEN HOW TO DO THIS AT THE HIGHER LEVEL.

I'VE SEEN THIS AT ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY AND PRESIDENT MICHAEL CROW.

HE WORKS WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, KNOWS WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE AND ASU HAS THE LARGEST GRADUATING CLASS OF ENGINEERS IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.

THAT SAME MODEL CAN BE APPLIED DEFINITELY TO COMMUNITY COLLEGES, GREAT PARTNERS WITH LUCID, WITH THE SEMICONDUCTOR INDUSTRY, WE CONTINUE TO FIND WAYS TO PARTNER WITH THEM AND K-12 AND MAKING SURE THEY ARE LEARNING SKILLS AND TRADES THAT ARE VALUABLE RIGHT NOW.

TED: TALK REGULATIONS, HOW DO YOU FIND A BALANCE BETWEEN FEWER REGULATIONS AND SAFE BUSINESS CLIMATE?

>> THE BEST WAY FOR US IN BILLS THAT WE SEE YEAR AFTER YEAR ARE MANDATES.

WE KNOW INFLATION COSTS ARE STILL RISING.

BUSINESSES AREN'T IMMUNE TO THE COSTS AND SEE MANDATE BILLS BY THE LEGISLATURE AND THEY COME FROM THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT.

THAT'S WHERE THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE THOSE COSTS HAVE TO BE ABSORBED BY THE BUSINESS OR PASS THEM TO CONSUMERS AND CONSUMERS CAN'T TAKE IT SGHEER TODD'S RIGHT, IF WE WERE TO SHOW YOU THE POLLING WE DO ALMOST MONTHLY THE ONE, TWO AND THREE ISSUE IS AFFORDABILITY IN SOME FORM OF DEFINITION.

WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING THAT MAKES IT MORE EXPENSIVE FOR ARIZONANS TO CONTINUE TO BUILD OUR HOUSES FASTER AND ATTRACT MORE PEOPLE.

TED: WHAT ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE, WATER?

DO WE HAVE ENOUGH FOR ALL OF THIS GROWTH?

>> I THINK WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE IS INTENTIONAL APPROACH.

GO BACK TO THE GREAT RECESSION, 2008, WE HAD A LIMITED ECONOMY BASED ON ONE OR TWO PILLARS, WE WERE INTENTIONAL ABOUT FINANCIAL SERVICES, ADVANCED MANUFACTURING, HEALTH CARE, AND I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THE SAME INTENTIONAL APPROACH TO WATER AND ENERGY TO ENSURE WE WILL SO THE COMPANIES COMING IN HAVE THE ENERGY WE NEED AND INCUMBENT ARIZONA COMPANIES AND US ARIZONANS WHO LIVE HERE HAVE THE ENERGY TO POWER WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

TED: AND DANNY, WE TALKED ABOUT ENERGY BEFORE IN THE PROGRAM, AND THAT IS A HUGE DEAL AND IT'S THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE FOR BUSINESSES WHEN THEY MAKE A DECISION TO INVEST, AND ARIZONA HAS LONG ENJOYED ONE OF THE MOST RELIABLE AND AFFORDABLE ENERGY GRIDS IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY AND UTILITIES AND CORPORATION COMMISSION HAVE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB WITH THE PLANNING.

IF YOU LOOK AT GROWTH PAYS FOR GROWTH MODEL, DATA CENTERS, MAKING SURE THEY PAY A HIGHER RATE SO IT DOESN'T PUT TOO MUCH RATE ON EXISTING POWER USERS.

THAT'S HOW INNOVATIVE OUR BUSINESS LEADERSING.

>> THINK ABOUT IT, WE HAVE SO MANY BUSINESSES AND PEOPLE COMING HERE, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT ENERGY PROACTIVELY WHICH IS SOMETHING WE NEVER HAD TO DO BEFORE.

TED: I NEED A YES OR NO ANSWER, WE'RE RUNNING BEHIND HERE, IS THE LEGISLATURE CAPABLE OF DOING THESE KINDS OF THINGS?

>> I HAVE CONFIDENCE THEY CAN.

THESE ARE SERIOUS QUESTIONS AND THEY'RE ABOVE THE CULTURE WARS AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF WE SEE, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE FOCUSED ON THE ISSUES.

>> THEY DID IT FOR AMKOR, FOR AXON, THE DIAMONDBACKS, OUR LEGISLATURE CAN COME TOGETHER IN A BIPARTISAN FASHION AND SOLVE BIG PROBLEMS.

TED: GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

>> THANK YOU.

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TED: IT'S THAT TIME OF YEAR FOR NEW YEARS RESOLUTIONS, IT CAN MEAN A SENSE OF OVERWHELMING PRESSURE TO SET AND ACHIEVE GOALS MEETING DEMANDS OF EVERYDAY LIFE, WHICH CAN LEAD TO BURNOUT TO.

LEARN HOW TO RECOGNIZE IT, WE WELCOME A LICENSED FAMILY AND MARRIAGE THERAPIST.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

TED: YOUR JACKET ALONE IS GOING TO CAUSE ME BURNOUT.

WHAT IS BURNOUT?

>> BURNOUT GOES FAR BEYOND NOT HAVING ENOUGH REST.

IT IS CHRONIC OVEREXTENSION AND EXHAUSTION.

IF YOU ARE NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO THE THINGS YOU USUALLY HANDLE, YOU ARE PROBABLY BURNED OUT.

TED: YOU ARE EXHAUSTED, UNMOTIVATED, YOU FEEL STRETCHED TOO THIN.

ALL OF THESE THINGS AND MORE.

>> ALL OF THE ABOVE.

TED: OKAY, HOW DO YOU AVOID THAT ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO DO -- THE TIME OF YEAR YOU HAVE GOALS AND PLANS.

>> RIGHT.

MOST OF US GO INTO THE NEW YEAR ALREADY BURNED OUT AND EXHAUSTED.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT PATTERNS THAT GOT US HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND CHANGE THOSE.

ARE WE OVERGIVING.

ARE WE OVEREXTENDING?

REALISTIC GOALS, REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS FOR OURSELVES IN THIS NEW YEAR.

TED: REALISTIC BECAUSE I WOULD IMAGINE THERE'S A SENSE OF BURNOUT WHEN SOME OF THE GOALS FALL BY THE WAYSIDE?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

ALSO LOOKING AT EMOTIONAL CLIMATE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COUNTRY, RIGHT?

IF YOU ARE EMOTIONALLY EXHAUSTED AT THE START OF LAST YEAR, AND THIS YEAR YOU FEEL THINGS HAVE GOTTEN WORSE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE EXPLOSION OF INFLATION, YOU ARE PROBABLY BURNED OUT.

WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO DIFFERENTLY THIS YEAR THAT WE DIDN'T DO LAST YEAR?

WHAT DO WE NEED TO PREPARE FOR SO WE ARE NOT OVEREXTENDED, WHAT DO WE NEED TO SAY NO TO.

TED: HOW DO YOU REALIZE AND MEASURE YOUR CAPACITY BASED ON LAST YEAR OR THE PREVIOUS YEARS?

HOW DO YOU KNOW WHEN, OKAY, MY GOAL IS THIS BECAUSE I KNOW MY CEILING IS THAT?

>> YEAH, SO I THINK TAKING A LOOK AT LAST YEAR'S GOALS, DID WE COMPLETE THEM, YES OR NO.

IF IT WAS A NO, WHAT HAPPENED?

DID SOMETHING INTERFERE THAT MADE YOU NOT BE ABLE TO COMPLETE IT?

IF SO, THAT'S OKAY.

WITH ALL YOUR GOALS FROM THIS YEAR WITH, YOUR JOB, WITH YOUR KIDS, WITH YOUR FAMILY, DO YOU FEEL ENERGIZED AND READY TO GO, OR ARE YOU TINKERING ON AND JUST PUSHING YOURSELF?

MOST PEOPLE WILL SAY I'M PUSHING MYSELF.

MOST PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY CAREGIVERS, PARENTS, PEOPLE IN THE HELPING PROFESSIONS, WE PUSH FORWARD EVEN IF WE'RE TIRED.

WHEN YOU DID MOST OF YOUR STUFF LAST YEAR, WERE YOU WAKING UP EXHAUSTED?

WERE YOU ALREADY TIRED BEFORE THE DAY GOT GOING?

IF SO, WHAT ARE THINGS I CAN SAY NO TO INSTEAD OF YES?

TED: CAN YOU ALSO USE MEDITATION AND OTHER PRACTICES OF CALMING, MINDFULNESS, THESE SORTS OF THINGS?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I TELL MY CLIENTS SENSING AND TAILORING COPING SKILLS, YOU KNOW THAT BECAUSE THE BRAIN DEVELOPS THE FIRST FIVE YEARS OF LIFE AND TOUCHING, SMELLING, TASTING ALL THESE THINGS, IT NATURALLY CALMS THE NERVOUS SYSTEM.

YOGA, MEDITATION, LISTENING TO MUSIC.

WORKING OUT AND HAVING THESE AS A SELF-CARE ROUTINE WILL LOWER BURNOUT, ALSO SETTING BOUNDARYS.

>> TALK ABOUT BOUNDARIES.

I'VE HEARD ABOUT PEOPLE PRACTICING SETTING BOUNDARIES.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> YEAH.

WE HAVE COURSES, WORKSHOPS.

MY FIRST STEP IS TELL MY CLIENTS LET'S REALIZE NO IS A COMPLETE SENTENCE.

IT'S OKAY TO SAY NO, AND WHEN SOMEONE ASKS TO YOU DO SOMETHING OR MAYBE IT'S EVEN A NEW JOB OPPORTUNITY OR A NEW EXPERIENCE, DON'T RESPOND RIGHT AWAY.

TAKE MAYBE 24 HOURS, TAKE A PAUSE, AND LOOK AT DO I HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THIS PHYSICALLY, MENTALLY AND EMOTIONALLY.

IS THIS GOING TO OVEREXTEND ME?

AM I GOING TO REGRET SAYING YES TO THIS LATER?

TED: CAN YOU ASK SOMEONE ELSE, I'M THINKING OF SETTING BOUNDARIES, THESE ARE THE BOUNDARIES AND HAVE SOMEONE ELSE SAY I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK YOU NEED TO WORK ON THIS OR MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE BEST FOR YOU.

IS THAT A WISE THING TO DO?

>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ACCOUNTABILITY PARTNER.

IF MY GOAL IS TO SET BOUNDARIES AND NOT GO BACK ON THE BOUNDARIES THAT I WANT TO SET, I CAN ASK ACCOUNTABILITY PARTNER, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE BOUNDARY, WAYS TO IMPLEMENT IT, AND CAN YOU HOLD ME ACCOUNTABLE IF I GO BACK AND ADD TOO MUCH TO MY PLATE OR I OVEREXTEND.

GIVE ME A CALL OR SAY HEY, ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THAT?

DO YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY?

TED: I MENTIONED MINDFULNESS AND MEDITATION.

I WOULD IMAGINE IF THERE IS SOMETHING YOU ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT, SOMETHING THAT MAKES THE TIME FLY, THAT SORT OF THING, FOCUS A LITTLE ON THAT?

>> PUT THAT IN YOUR SCHEDULE.

MOST OF US KNOW WHAT HOBBIES ARE BUT IT'S MAKING SURE WE DO THEM WEEKLY, SO WE CAN GET THAT REST, RESTORE AND DIGEST THAT WE NEED.

TED: YOU MENTIONED REST, I IMAGINE PRIORITIZING REST IN ALL FORMS IS CLOSE TO, A, NUMBER ONE?

>> A, NUMBER ONE, BUT LOOKING AT WHAT IS RECOVERY AND RESTORE.

SOMETIMES RECOVERING AND RESTORING FOR ME IS MEETING UP WITH FRIENDS, IT'S A RECIPROCAL ENERGY AND I'M NO LONGER EXHAUSTED, WE'RE NO LONGER TALKING ABOUT THINGS AND EMOTIONAL LOAD GOES OFF, RIGHT?

MAYBE IT'S I GO TO THE GYM FOUR TIMES A WEEK, BUT THIS TIME MY WORKLOAD WAS HEAVY SO I'M GOING TO GO THREE.

IT'S THE MENTAL CAPACITY TO THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN DO MENTALLY, EMOTIONALLY AND PHYSICALLY HERE.

TED: LAST QUESTION, IF THERE'S ONE PIECE OF ADVICE FOR PEOPLE TO AVOID BURNOUT, IT IS?

>> I'M GOING TO SAY IT AGAIN, NO IS A COMPLETE SENTENCE, AND STOP AND PAUSE BEFORE YOU SAY YES TO THINGS.

TED: STOP AND PAUSE, I LOVE IT.

NO IS A COMPLETE SENTENCE, GOT TO START USING THAT MORE OFTEN.

>> I NEED IT ON A T-SHIRT.

TED: GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

HAPPY NEW YEAR AND BEST OF LUCK ON YOUR GOALS FOR THE COMING YEAR.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> YOU, TOO.

THANK YOU.

TED: AND THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.