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Gretchen de Becker.

Kill him.

There was another.

Just a little bit of growl there.

Let's just fill it out.

See what works.

You guys are going to change your names at all.

No no.

No.

This isn't something we decided to do together.

Yeah.

Come on.

Guys.

We talked about.

Yeah.

That's right.

Yeah, we talked about that.

It was in th spreadsheet.

It was a spreadshee I must I got so good.

We're flat today.

Oh, yeah.

We got to pick it up.

We got to pick it up this Wednesday.

That's right.

Presented by our friends at work.

Spring.

We are going to be talking about men's health.

Now, how healthy are you to.

Not.

So mentally, I'm talking physically.

Fine.

I'm not.

Yeah.

You're good.

Yeah, yeah.

I might be better on the mental side than I am.

The physical side, but that's debatable.

Yeah.

Yeah I care so little for men that I don't know.

Like at your ages in granite.

You're both younger than me.

You know, women of a certain age.

Yeah.

Which I am.

You know, there's things that happen.

Yeah.

You know, almost automatically that we try to combat against, but I don't I honestly, this is sincere for a moment.

I don't know the same thing that happens to men at your ages.

What?

What are you supposed to be doing for yourselves right now?

Committing to a quickie?

Oh, shoot.

Committing to a quicker death as well.

Yeah.

I hope so.

Yeah.

I, I heard maybe I may, if I don't remember it on the show yet, but I had heard that if you can survive to 20, 36, that the advances in medical medical technology will allow you to live to 125.

No, I think.

That's what I said.

That was my response.

Once I lived or died.

36 I think.

I think I left.

Yeah.

At this pace.

Yeah.

Let's go.

Yeah.

I'm just purchasing longer extension cords to keep my electronics close to my best home.

But legitimate question.

Maybe Corey or Noah can answer that question.

Yeah.

I mean.

In terms of things that are guaranteed to happen, I don't know of any, but I do know that, like, risk of, like cancer and things like that, that start to increase.

And so, the, the colonoscopies and all of those become a regular thing when you hit 50.

So I think.

I've got some time.

But can't be that dissimilar.

Right.

I think that it's supposed to be back in the day.

Right.

It was about running all the time, and now they're talking about it having, more muscle play, more attention to, like, muscle.

Growth to help your bones.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This is not an opportunity, you know.

Right.

We'll have to wait for this.

But I will tell you, getting started again or using a bounce back, that is the hidden.

I mean, you were a student athlete, so you would run soccer games?

Yes.

Endlessly.

That's how you think that you could run for the length of a soccer game, right?

I'm not sure I could run the length of this desk.

That's the idea I've I've used.

But the thing is, like, I don't have the will to try.

That's where it.

Gets.

I've used this line.

That I can do anything today that I did when I was.

Younger.

Yeah.

I just can't do anything after that.

I didn't.

Do it.

Like I can play basketball.

No, you can't though.

You guys can't.

You'll break ankles, you'll jam fingers through, break bones, and then you'll be on the couch for a week.

That's.

No.

That's wonderful.

That's what I just said.

With your poor, long suffering wife.

Had to take care of you then.

Yeah.

That's right, that's right.

Yeah, absolutely.

All right, so we've got a jam packed show with some actual experts in this area.

See what's up.

Thank god.

Yeah.

Cory Panning is going to join us.

And then Noah Mackey from work, spring, will be at as well.

And then we'll wrap up the show, for the first time.

Yep.

With the interim CEO of CTE, Dale Thornton will join us.

The boss is showing up.

This is, I believe he's here for a performance review.

Okay.

Excellent.

Arthur has.

You know what?

That's a good question.

Maybe we can put some complaints in about Shane for you.

Matt still.

Has to do the case the entire.

Show.

Sorry.

So I we're going to we're to cancel for, you know.

You spend.

The entire show complaining about Finn.

That sounds great.

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It is a wellness Wednesday presented by our friends at Work Spring.

We're joined now by wellness consultant Noah McKee.

Thank you so much for being here.

Thank you for having me.

I'm excited to be here.

So you.

How did you get to work?

Spring, maybe.

So let's kind of dive there and talk about your background, and then we'll get into the topic of of men's health.

Absolutely.

So I would actually say I have a less conventional route than most people.

I went to Miami University for my undergraduate degree, which I honor, my friend.

Yes, absolutely.

Great year to be a Red Hawk.

So I did.

Jesus.

Yeah.

I grew up here in enemy territory right now at BG and, you know, so, but yeah, I went to Miami University.

I got m undergraduate degree in inclusiv special education.

And immediately after graduating back in 22, I went on to get my Masters in of education in applied behavior analysis at the University of Cincinnati.

So, you know, upon finishing my master's program, I realized, you know, maybe I kind of wanted to rather than go into the education world, approach the corporate world and see, you know, what?

It was out there for me.

So I started off at, Yeah.

This is going to be too much money in education.

That's right.

Yeah.

That's right.

And you know, spend it.

Exactly.

It was just too much coming at.

So.

Yeah, man.

We're going essentially our way through.

Like, I don't even like kids.

Right.

Or people.

Yeah.

That's right.

Let me get away from this.

Yeah, yeah.

Something like that.

So, so, yeah, I, I stepped into I moved up to Columbus.

I, I worked at an employee benefits broker.

And then after a couple of years there, I transitioned to real work.

Spring.

I've been here for about two years now.

And it really is just an incredible team, you know, a ton of incredible people.

It's been really, really great.

I think folks in this, we've got to have it in Toledo.

And I imagine every city is sort of like this.

When you've got an organization that has the, the reputation and the brand that works bring, you know, formerly the employers association has here in northwest Ohio, we don't think of it as being anything outside of northwest Ohio.

Right.

And so.

The.

More I learned about it and I'm like, wait a second, you've got people all over, all over the place.

Yeah.

What does work spring look like in Columbus?

Yeah, absolutely.

So I have, clients all over Columbus.

Who's the least healthy?

No, I can't I can't.

Yeah, just a joke.

Something about or something like that.

Sure.

But, essentially, I have clients all over and all around Columbus, you know, going down to even, you know, so out of county, but really, you know, I have clients in architecture, I have clients and, you know, different manufacturing, you know, different.

I mean, different products.

Let me ask you a question.

Talk to me a little about the the similarities and differences, you know, to your point that you're making.

There's a spectrum of clients that you serve.

We are all, you know, bipedal, largely carbon based.

So we have to have some similarities, but some differences to what are those.

When it comes to similarities?

You know, I think one of the similarities I see across all my clients is that, wellness in general is really kind of stepping more to the forefront, and I feel like it really ever has.

So you see all of these different HR professionals that I work with and, you know, some of them are more about it than others are, but, you know, it's it is kind of new.

So, but at the end of the day, you know, we want our employees to be happy.

Yeah, we want our employees to be heal And, you know, there also are, you know, monetary incentives that are true with that for the companies as well, because when you have a healthier population, you aren't spending as much money on your medical, insurance premium.

And, If you're if you're a capitalist, you would say that some degree of greed is good, right?

So there's some degree of vanity, good in the health world, of course, there's a much larger prize, which is just general wellness, but there's a little bit of vanity.

Good kind of as a motivator.

I mean, I would say so, you know, when you, when you go out there and you are a company that's trying to attract talent, you know, you want talent that is happy, healthy, that appeals to you.

You know, all of these potential prospects out there.

So I do think it's beneficial to some degree, obviously to some extent, yeah.

You don't want to overdo it.

Go out, overdo it.

Don't be well, yeah.

Talk to me a little bit about it.

Is Men's Health Month.

What have you done the first two days, too?

So I'm.

Just, Oh.

What?

Talk to me about, a men's health.

We were talking a little bit before you came on.

The research we did, which is a limited Google search.

You can probably tell by my physique.

That's how I focus on wellness.

But men's health, is what, that does conceptually.

And also what sort of the Men's Health month should look like.

Yeah.

Well, you know, when I think of men's health, I think primarily, you know, when it comes to Men's Health Month, it's about spreading awareness.

First and foremost, and then also, you know, encouraging the men in your life to put more value into into their health and their wellness.

When I think about what Men's Health Month is really about, you know, outside of that, I think it kind of has three phases.

Okay.

I think one of them is preventive care.

You know, we all need to be doing preventive care, but men are, you know, actually less likely to go out there to have a relationship with their primary care provider.

Let's we have a little man.

Yeah.

Man.

I was going to make a comment about his relationship with his primary care.

Yeah, I. Knew it was coming.

I could feel it all the way over here.

Yeah.

Oh, geez.

Stop it.

But it's a preventative.

Preventive care, you know, I think is one of the faces there, you know, men's mental health.

You know, we all know the stigma that surrounds men's mental health.

You know, growing up, you're taught that you need to be, you know, stoic.

You need to be steady.

You know, you can't really show emotion.

You're just supposed to be the rock for the people in your life.

That's kind of what we were taught when we were growing up.

That's how you describe me on the show a rock.

Yeah.

Yes.

That's that.

Stay right.

That was.

What what can people do or what can you do in your role at work spring to encourage people to, or what are you seeing companies do to encourage people to participate in Mental Health Month?

Yeah.

You know, with work spring, we actually provide monetary incentives to our employees for getting their preventive care done at any point during their their plan year.

So that's one thing that that companies can do.

Some of my clients go above and beyond.

They actually say, hey, if you get your preventive care done, you know, we'll help cover your, your medical premium.

So that's one thing that you can do.

Obviously not every companies in the position to do that.

Sure.

But outside of that, you know, it's really about education, in educating, you know, our clients and their employees on really what the value is when it comes to preventive care.

There's a piece of this that like, it's I think it sounds like just making sure that men know that it's okay.

Absolutely.

To go to the doctor, to take care of themselves, to take a sick day, to, you know, and I mean, in my world, I just think about, like, with, with my wife, like, you know, I am certainly the bigger baby of the two of us, right?

So the idea that.

Like, we always are.

We always are.

But but I, you know, when I think about somebody who's within a household, who's putting everybody else first, right?

I actually go to my wife and you go to the mom, and she's always kind of doing that.

But the reality is, I'm also just as guilty of not taking care of myself and.

Worry more about, you.

Know, if the if the kids have something wrong, it's like, we're off to the doctor.

We're off urgent care right away.

Yeah.

And for me, it's like, look, if it's still here in three days, yeah, we'll talk about.

It if I'm alive and then and.

At the end of three days, it's like.

I mean, I've made it through three days like.

I did this year to both eyes.

Yeah, he's.

Complained about.

It.

I'm always, you know.

Yes, yes.

Yeah, yeah.

We've asked this I think of, multiple guests.

Is there it's impossible to not be inundated with, you know, not just fad diets, but, just an unbelievable amount of information and health certainly is one of them.

There's, industry about that.

And that, again, isn't setting us a soapbox, but what what resources do you or tried and true for you.

Yeah.

For not just trends, but what we know.

I mean, theoretically, we know more about ourselves than we ever have in the history of our planet.

But there are people trying to sell you things, and I'm not suggesting they shouldn't.

But you know what?

How do you track actual information?

And where do you get it from?

Yeah, absolutely.

I will say, first and foremost, there is no right answer when it comes to your health.

Exactly.

It looks different for everybody.

Sure.

It's really about finding what works for you.

Sure.

But that being said, you know, when I talk to, you know, friends who are interested in health, you know, one of the first things that you can do is you can go to there's a ton of them online.

You want to you want to calculate your, caloric intake, your daily caloric intake.

And you, you'll see, you know, you put in your desired weight if you want to maintain weight, if you want to lose weight, if you want to put on muscle, you can find these calculators online that will tell you exactly how much you need to be eating, how much protein you need to be consuming.

So I think that that's always a good place to start.

And then I really think it's it's beneficial for and this might be a sign of my age, but, influencers, you know, it not necessarily that any influencer out there is going to have the right answer.

But when you kind of inundate yourself in social media and you see, because because people my age are always on social media.

Yeah.

So if you can, you know, get your feed to start showing you, you know, different people who are, you know, pursuing the same goals as you.

Then I think that that's really beneficial.

Motivating.

Yeah, yeah.

The biggest influencer to me is our president.

How much McDonald's should I be eating?

I'm just kidding.

That's not the issue.

I just.

I would say.

There's always healthier options.

You know, anywhere you go, they just got it.

You gotta be cautious.

Yeah?

Yeah.

Honey.

Assistantship opportunities in Canada.

Anyway, what.

What are from, obviously talk about preventative care.

We talk about, you know, prioritizing your own health.

What?

What's, you know, one thing that someone can do this month to, to kind of put themselves on the right path for the rest of the year.

Yeah.

You know, for me, when I first started getting into exercise, one thing that worked for me, was just saying, okay, start out with three days a week.

That's your goal.

You don't have to be in the gym every single day.

Just three days a week.

You know, at least 30 minutes.

Just build a base.

And I actually heard you guys talking about it.

I think when it comes to exercise, the building momentum is one of the most important things that you can do.

Because once you, you know, fall off the wagon.

Yeah, yeah.

Getting back on and getting back into the routine.

Those first couple days are always the hardest.

Really.

It was you ascended.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well I'm a I mean I'm an all or nothing person right.

So when I was like when I was biking.

Yeah, it was 20 miles a day, seven days a week and then, and then winter hits.

Yeah, yeah.

And it's like, well, I can't be outside seven days a week, so I'm just going to do zero and then try to get back to it.

Yeah.

It's like yeah here in Boston.

Like I never really did that.

That's right.

But but if you said, you know, hey do this two days a week, three days a week.

Yeah.

Just start, make something.

You start to feel better and you start to maybe see some results.

Moderation is.

Exactly.

And I think some.

Of it is, this is a probably very difficult question.

And the answer isn't, cookie cutter one, but what does health mean?

Like what what what what is the the baseline here.

And I know again that that's a a large question and different for individual.

But how do you how do you set a baseline.

And you mentioned weight.

And weight is just one of the many ways of tracking health.

But but certainly I don't think at the top of the pyramid.

But how does one know how to set your trajectory towards living a healthier, longer life?

Yeah, I think it really just comes down to what kind of, speaks to you a little bit, you know, health at the end of the day is what's going to make you happy and what's going to make you feel good.

So, you know, one thing.

Healthy.

Yeah.

No, one thing that I always keep in mind when I'm struggling to get motivated for the gym is that I've never regretted the way that I feel after working out.

Because, you know, when you do work out it, it floods your brain with dopamine.

Yeah.

And so it's just it's it's stuff like that.

It's just it's a it's about what makes you happy and what is going to make you feel good.

You know, what's going to make you feel like you're ready to, perform your best at work?

Weather.

What's going to make you feel best when you wake up in the morning?

That's kind of what I see.

Health is we're talking with Noah Mackey, a wellness consultant with Work Spring here on a Wellness Wednesday presented by Work Spring on the 419.

What?

At the end of the day, at the end of a week, you know, what gives you the encouragement to come back and keep doing this right?

Where do you where do you find.

Joy in your work?

Yeah, absolutely.

You know, for me, it's the interactions that I have with employees.

You know, there's been there's there's been times in the past where I've delivered, we call them educational sessions where we just come in and there's a topic we we present on it.

We answer questions, we put them in workshops, that kind of stuff.

But I remember, you know, one, one time I, I delivered a, a stress management presentation.

And afterwards somebody came up to me and he was like, hey, you know, I actually I really needed this.

I just bought a house with my dad, and my dad started getting sick.

And so he called me, help me re re.

We have it.

Yeah, we have it.

So he's like, I've been putting in hours, and I just, like, I feel like I don't have any time for myself.

So I think that this is going to give me a really strong base of.

What's so nice to hear.

Yeah, exactly.

And those kind of interactions mean everything in a job like this.

Well, as we close, your segment, if you had just a couple, points, to get people started, what would those be?

Yeah.

You know, I touched a little bit on it earlier.

But establish that relationship with your primary care.

Sure.

You know, the thing about doing that is, you know, we can talk about preventive care.

We can talk about prostate cancer screenings when you need to be getting that.

But at the end of the day, you know, when it comes to men's health, when you have a primary care provider that's in your corner, they know you, they understand you, you know, you feel more comfortable going to them when you are having health problems, which is going to help prevent, you know, anything from kind of getting to a place where it's it's a lot worse than it should be.

But also, you know, they have that, that history, that health history on you.

So if anything looks out of whack, you know, any of your biometrics look off, they can say, hey, this is something that I want to, you know, dig a little bit deeper into.

So I think that that's the first that they always are going to have recommendations on how you can get into, you know, healthy eating, exercise, all that stuff as well.

First step, the month of June.

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Yeah.

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Thank you so.

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Thank you so much for being with us.

Thanks for having.

Me.

The topic of the day is.

Men's health and it's Men's Health Month.

Did you have to leave your role as the mayor of lucky?

Because we came to fabulous.

Just to our guys?

No, we actually we moved to a different city.

So you have to be in the city that you live in to be the mayor.

I've always been a bad.

Bad campaign business.

Yes.

Right.

Governing from afar.

So, so.

So we dove into it.

But during the break, we we discovered that you are, also a former mayor there for ten years.

I. Did as the mayor of Lucky Ohio.

Let's maybe let's start there.

Okay.

We can get back into men's health.

What?

I mean, because you're a young.

You're a. Young 12.

I was.

Yeah, 13.

13.

Yeah, yeah.

Limit.

Yeah.

Mass.

When you did take the reins, though, you must have been.

I was under 30.

It was a bucket list item.

Do something good for the community before I turned 30.

And what did you do?

And said, while you're being mayor?

Yeah.

How many people live in lucky?

About 1100.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

That's amazing.

Small, quaint town.

Great.

And you were there.

You were the mayor for ten years.

Eight years as mayor.

Two years on council.

Okay.

Yeah.

So, I mean, you say this was a bucket list item to do something good before 30, but you don't.

I mean, and we'll come back to this probably same thing we talked about men's health.

I mean, you don't do something for ten years because it was a one time bucket list item, right?

Yeah.

The whole.

You had to do.

It.

The whole point is.

Oh.

Yeah.

No, I just quit.

The bucket became a passion.

Yeah.

Just when you find something that you enjoy and you can connect with people and be passionate about what you're doing, and I wanted to raise a family and a great community.

And there's no better way to do that when you're in charge of that community.

So that's really kind of the emphasis of why I started doing that.

And maybe that is the answer, but it does seem unique to me.

Or really unique if it came out of these two lead smiles, that you would have such a goal as a young person, right?

I mean, many of us, most certainly, myself included, were trying to figure out during that stretch of time, like, I'd like to figure it out by 30, which of course I failed.

But, that that idea of giving, or at least, you know, putting your money where your mouth is, is that just something that is ingrained in your DNA or from your folks or.

Yeah, you are a trailblazer in that way.

What what motivated you to do something?

This is a big deal.

At the age of about 13, we grew up in a small town of Campbellsville, the neighboring town, to lucky.

My dad was president of village council there.

We used to use to force me to walk to meetings with him twice a month and sit in the audience and take notes.

And then on the walk home would ask, what did you take notes on?

And I would I would tell him and he would say, you're listening for all the wrong things.

You can't take any action on any of the stuff he wrote down as a 13 year old.

That's a pretty big, you know, life lesson, right?

Which has carried into my adult life.

If you're going to be involved in something, how can you improve it?

Interesting.

Well, speaking.

Improving.

We're talking about a men's health today, because it's Men's Health month.

But talk a little bit about your role, not just, the words in it, but what they mean.

Yeah.

So big.

Fancy title, population, health team lead, aka wellness consultant.

We support.

I think I have one of the best roles at USC, where I get to support our clients with helping them develop comprehensive strategies to help their their organization and the people that work for them either improve or maintain their health.

Okay.

We are looking at their medical and pharmacy claims data to evaluate where they have gaps in care.

Yeah, where they have opportunities to address those through their benefits design.

But also at the end of the day, you're really changing how your people show up to work.

How do you translate just what is, you know, from the perspective of using economic decision to to improve these processes into something that makes it meaningful for the employee, for the for the guy that's sitting at the office, how do you get him to care about the things that you want him to do?

Yeah, I mean, the power.

Of do you remember that.

Question?

No, I do that because that's what I do every day.

Right.

It starts with obviously garnering leadership support within the organizations and understanding most of the time it's how much is this person costing my plan or how much is this risk going to affect my productivity or the morale within the manufacturing plant?

When you really tailor the message to make it more relatable, people understand that it's not as difficult or shouldn't be as burdensome to just go to the doctor once a year or stop down into the break room and check your blood pressure with the blood pressure cuff that's sitting at the break table.

Or also helping to really make the healthy choice.

The easy choice when it comes to showing up to work.

Where you mentioned data, it's certainly possible.

And I know that we all strive to have a balance, but when you describe yourself as a as a data person or a people person, you serve the community.

It sounds like you're walk back from your dad was talking about actionable items for the people you serve.

Data does drive strategy, right?

But still, if you had to pick one of the two, are you a data person or are you a people person?

Definitely a people person.

Sure.

Because at the end of the day, there's a person behind that number.

That's right.

Right.

And so, we could talk all day about data and what it says, and even national statistics on what a healthy ranges for your biometrics.

But there's a person behind all those numbers.

That's right.

And they all have a story.

They all have a life.

They have situations.

How do you create programs to adapt to where you're at in that spectrum?

The data will support only so much, but in order to actually get people to not feel like they don't have a place, that's where you have to really get that personal connection to the individual.

We were just talking with Noah about the importance of making over having a relationship, or starting a relationship with your primary care physician.

What does the data tell you about people that do and don't do that.

If.

It if it's available?

Yeah, it is.

And that is one of the most important first steps is having a relationship with the primary care provider.

And when you don't you tend to have sicker more chronic conditions.

People are often dealing with multiple chronic conditions.

And then when you do go to the doctor or to the emergency room because don't have a PCP, you're trying to you're leaving with a list of things that you have to focus on.

And then where do you start when you have multiple, right.

When you have that connection and relationship with the primary care, they're able to really break that down into a digestible action plan for you and what you should be focused on first, second, third.

But ultimately, it's your choice, right?

The power of choice that you have with your health is so important.

But the data does suggest if you are not connected with a PCP, you are likely going to have multiple things you're dealing with.

We had this conversation, I think almost every Wednesday.

I ask a similar question almost every Wednesday.

Why is this a responsibility of an employer to, you know, to encourage people to go see their primary care physician or other other health and wellness things?

Yeah, it's funny, I I've had this conversation a lot recently with some of my clients because I've been working with them for years.

And it's we we do the same stuff year after year after year, and we're seeing nobody like not much movement.

There's only so far you can hold your employees hand in their health care journey, but it's important for the employer to look at it from the aspect of, do you have all the right tools and resources available to that member also goes beyond just that employee.

It goes to their family members that might be enrolled in their benefits, or their spouse or their dependents.

Do they have the right type of tools to manage that chronic condition of high blood pressure or glucose?

Issues?

And is your plan set up in a way where it's affordable for those people to access the care that they need, at the.

Risk of opening the door to a commercial?

For us, I which is not my intent to this question, but does every employee sponsored health plan have a wellness consultant in the population health team lead attached to it?

Not always.

It's important that if you don't, some smaller organizations don't have access to, all the resources that you might get on a benefits team.

But every carrier that you have likely has that member.

Right?

So if you don't have access through your broker partnership, you should be tapping into whoever your medical carriers to see what person or resources you have to address that need.

How long have you been doing this?

Since 16 years.

But it's.

I'm always curious as to.

I mean, that's a long time, certainly in the modern world.

How do you stay motivated?

I think that you just said something that is, was certainly intuitive to me.

There's only so much you can do to encourage others.

Right.

And we are not that sophisticated of a species, despite our self-congratulatory nature.

So how do you stay?

How do you keep driving to do this?

It has to be a little bit feel a little bit like specifics, right?

Honestly, the the role that I have is I often explain my consulting work as a lean team that we're working with is handing me a bomb that's about to go off in their organization.

Right?

They don't know how to fix it time to fix it.

So they hand it to me and I fix it, and I give it back to them with the bow tied.

And I say, unwrap this package.

And when it's about to go off again, hand it back and I'll fix it again.

We I get to work with so many unique individuals and companies that every day is different.

Okay, it's not the same, you know, tracking down gaps in care and things like that, where really, you know, I might be on one meeting where we're talking about someone who was went through a biometric screening and they realized they have high blood pressure.

So they went to the doctor, and now they're on medicine or somebody who's, encouraged by the lunch and learned that their organization's providing on mental health this month or, or just hearing how wellness can really improve, not only individual, but all companies.

If you get a new client.

I'm sorry.

What?

Why are men so insufferable about their health?

A and b, I didn't.

I thought that was stopping the insights.

So insufferable.

Period.

But what what does your research data.

What are the prior, programs and things you put in place are successful to get at this, to tick to what?

What do we understand about it?

Because it is a thing, right?

Yeah.

And what do we understand about how to get through it?

And people in their lives, them get to themselves, whatever to address these, concerns before they become catastrophic?

Well, back to your earlier question about does data really drive those decisions?

It does.

You know, we'll look at organizational data to see where what are the top risks if let's, for example, say it's lack of PCP engagement will develop a really comprehensive strategy to get people to do that, focus on that for weeks on end, to actually get people to go.

Incentives tie into that, whether that's a reduction in their medical premium cost or setting up sessions one on one, where the less tech advanced male employee can come and say, I don't know how to find a doctor, my wife usually does it.

Yeah.

I don't know if I'm going until she tells me that I have an appointment and she's driving me there.

We really?

Yeah.

Right.

Like we.

But I think I think the problem is, though, is the barriers that most men say they face.

Faces.

Time.

Yeah.

Don't want to know if I'm unhealthy, right?

Or if I'm given the diagnosis.

I'm not going to do it.

That's the end, right?

Like I'm I'm going to die or this is or I'm not going to take that medication even though it may help me.

What do you guys do for the other end?

So we you encourage people to go to their primary care physician.

You want everyone to go and then they go in.

They're disappointed.

What do you do with the docs to make sure that when someone goes that their questions are answere they're not rushed out, or that you know what I mean?

So that it's a meaning to.

Me, 15 minutes isn't stopping.

Yeah.

You know that.

That's a good question.

For the primary care world has changed drastically.

You have access to almost any type of provider that you want in today's society through virtual visits.

If your PCP is not asking those questions and it is a rush in, rush out, maybe that's not the right type of PCP for you.

But equipping that member with a list of questions they should be asking when they go to the doctor is really important.

Also understanding that if you take that list of questions, ask them, don't just sit there and put them in your pocket.

You have to take ownership when you're in that environment.

Kevin, you've enjoyed rushing the PCP.

That's great times.

Yeah.

It's, It's it's always funny to look back.

Things that we had once held is tried and true.

And now know that they're not like you're having a baby.

You put them on their back, put them on their belly.

You a lot of butter because it allows for blood to flow through your arteries more smoothly.

That's not true.

Any more, are there?

It is for us.

Okay.

Other things like that.

Again, not to poke fun, fun at others because they dealt with the knowledge that they knew at the time.

But are there things there now, like for 16 years is a long run, man.

You've seen some stuff.

So you're like 16 years and you're like, do not do this.

What has some of the changes been or the most?

Well, comical feels like in an appropriate way.

But, what are some of the biggest changes that you've experienced?

I would say the biggest is, you know, even ten years ago, everybody was offering onsite biometric screenings at their employers could go down and get your fingerstick, ideas and understand that the Know Your Numbers campaign.

I don't want to.

Do that anymore.

Some do.

But what's saddest decided to take a drop of blood.

From where?

All your nerve endings.

Yeah.

I'd rather have them take blood out of my eye.

Yeah.

Than that.

That's insane.

Wait, why?

Who?

Who said to do that?

And what's the.

Same blood in your entire body?

You know, but you.

Could take out of it.

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah.

That's right.

Yeah, yeah, it's the same.

It's the same.

Blood.

I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I don't know.

I want to know where that person lives.

Not not and lucky.

Thanks to your leadership.

Yeah.

That's right.

That was your.

First.

Your first getting rid of all of our fingerprinting for you.

It's.

It's men's health month.

Yeah.

If people can do only one thing or they're only going to do one thing, and just knowing myself and knowing other men, you got to.

You're not going to do it.

We're not going to do that thing either.

But if we were to do one thing, what's the one thing we should do?

Get your annual physical.

Eat ice cream.

You heard it.

Here first thing on your way.

You sure.

You will?

Physical men.

Get.

Ice cream on your way.

To the annual check.

All right.

After.

Yeah.

Thank you so much for joining us.

We're going to take a break.

When we come back, we'll be joined by Dale Thornton, the interim CEO here at Wjct, with a big.

Announcement and a. We'll do a little employee evaluation.

That's right.

Matt's got something to say about Shane.

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We're joined now by our boss, Dale Thorne.

Dale, thank you so much for being here.

I didn't know you guys had any boss at all.

Well, if you.

Don't recognize it.

Yeah.

I mean, Shane keeps saying that he's our boss.

Oh, but we try to.

We try to fight that every chance we get.

He says any time anything Dale says, just ignore it.

That's what he says every day.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, you and I talk afterward.

Oh.

Who?

Shane.

My former employee.

Yeah.

Dale, you have had the, I'll say privilege of leading GT for the last almost a year, 14 months.

Okay, that's more than a year.

It is.

It is still.

We go by the Mayan calendar.

Yeah.

Okay.

What what are things that you have learned about GT over the last 14 months?

I think the talent that is here is just incredible.

I have been impressed by what goes on behind the scenes to produce shows like yours.

And, I am just terribly, impressed with the people who work here.

It is has and it has been a privilege, actually, during that time, around that time, there have been some significant changes into how this business operates, right from a federal funding standpoint.

Need for GT to to get even more local than it already was.

Talk to me about what some of those challenges have been and what GT is doing to address those.

The Corporation for Public Broadcasting was the defunded by the federal government a year ago, and they provided community service grants that helped to fund, all public media organizations like ours.

For us, that meant a $1.2 million loss.

And so we've had to become more, flexible in how we're approaching things.

We have to grow our membership, find new revenue, replace that $1.2 million stream.

So for us and for other stations, it's been a very difficult year.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We've got some really big news to get to, and I don't want to cut that short, but if you don't mind me asking, although I've certainly enjoyed my time with you, I don't know too much about you.

What?

How did you aspire, as a young Dale to be, a, to be able to fire Shane?

Because I've aspired to do it.

Well, just by short amounts?

No.

How did you become, who you are today?

And why is this meaningful?

It's interesting because I have no public media background.

Okay.

I was in the military for 23 years after college.

I've traveled pretty much all over the world.

After that, I worked in civilian health care for another 20 years, and then, ended up being a city administrator for about seven years.

Taught at local college for a couple of years.

And now I'm doing this.

Sure.

So my wife says that, my obituary will say he's finally retired.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What a sweet thing to say.

Yeah.

She's a very loving woman.

Yes.

Yeah.

I'm sure her greeting card business is flourishing.

She's written it several times.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's right.

Well, let let's cut to the chase here.

I am.

Obviously, we're privileged to, before most, I think that this is really exciting, but I don't want to take the words out of your mouth.

Tell me what we're talking about today.

The new affiliation between WGU and, WGU as a result of the CPB funding, loss.

Found that it was no longer able to continue with their PBS affiliation.

So in January, we started to talk about what that meant and how could we support the viewers in their 19 county area so that they would not lose access to PBS programing?

And that discussion led to a agreement, a program service agreement between the two entities.

That will begin on July 1st.

Will we will begin broadcasting, PBS programing over their tower on channel 27.

It's so.

Exciting.

About the network that you now serve.

But the amalgam of the two, stations means how much coverage?

Our coverage will expand, down to past Lima.

We'll have 19 additional counties that we'll be broadcasting into.

So it enlarges our footprint.

Considerably.

How big is the footprint?

So the addition of what would the current service is how many county.

Will we're in for?

We're in defiance.

And as far over as Brian, up into southern Michigan.

This is a massive net.

That's just.

Yeah.

When you, I guess for people that that typically watch sale 27 down in Bowling Green, will they notice a difference?

They will still get all of the PBS programing that we, currently provide.

There may be some minor changes, programs that perhaps the Bgsu had broadcast.

Because we have about 5% of our, PBS programing that is local.

Some of that might change a little bit, but for the most part they'll have all the PBS programing they're used to.

Talk to me about we don't ever wear a cynical hat here.

So it's a little bit of an uncomfortable one for me, but I'll put it on.

For those who believe the market decides what should be on or what sells and what shouldn't.

Talk to me about why this isn't necessarily a market decision and why this is important to keep these things going.

I think that for those people who turn to public media, for culture, the arts, education, the news that they can trust.

You know the news, right?

Wasn't that fun?

There used to do that.

Yes.

It was.

Yeah.

But I think all of those things are important in today's world, particularly in today's world.

True.

What about people that have memberships at Bgsu and people that have memberships at will?

How will those memberships change moving forward?

They will have the opportunity to be members.

Some already are actually some have memberships to both.

So there is some crossover, that currently exists.

But they'll continue to have their membership, that exists today.

And then when it's time to renew, they would renew with CTE.

And that.

Will get viewers see any difference with the addition of w. PGU.

No, there will be no difference.

For our CTE.

Okay.

I want to clarify is Wbgo is shutting down like they're they're done.

No, no.

They are very much still in operation.

In fact, they will be still broadcasting local, athletic events, local commencement exercises, still streaming things, to the community.

They just will not be, on their PBS channel anymore.

Sherry stole this question from, a much more sophisticated individual.

But they'll.

Even with your interesting background, when you think about the people on the other end of the screen, the other end of the radio, the other end of whatever streaming device they choose.

Who's the audience you think of when you think of a public audience?

If I profiled the audience we have today, it is an older, highly educated, upper middle Clinton, middle class, upper middle class, community.

They're very interested in balanced news.

Yeah.

They're interested in the arts.

They're interested in education.

So it's a very specific group of individuals that I think are attracted to us.

We're trying to broaden that a little bit too by having more local programing.

Programs like yours for instance.

To attract new viewers to attract the younger generation.

So that we have future members.

Sure.

Is there any belief that the, Corporation for Public Broadcasting will come back, that that under a different, regime, that, that or different Congress, that the funding would be returned, that this model would be replaced or, or or or stations like forging ahead.

Regardless, it.

Still exists in the law.

CPB still exists in the law.

In today's world, though, stealing a line.

It's a world far, far away.

Yeah.

We have to get through current times and to a different, Congress with a different mindset.

How how has at the risk of minimizing the impact that, that those cuts have had.

How has, how have those cuts helped.

I think we had to reimagine ourselves.

We had to become a real business.

The $1.2 million was a subsidy that I think we, over the years and all other stations did begin to rely on, and we didn't probably understand how much it was important to our daily operations.

So that's why growing membership is important.

Finding new revenue sources is important for us.

There's no silver bullet to any solution clearly.

But if if you could pick one and have it be just the way you wanted, what would be, something you would plug in tomorrow to make a public this public service different?

Not necessarily better, but different.

I think some of the programing we have that's coming up that currently doesn't air is going to make a difference.

Projects that we're working on now that we have grant funding for.

Both in the educational side of the house as well as local news and local events.

Programs like yours this year that we just started.

I was part of my childhood.

It was part of my my home.

I remember being sighted on the telephone on my mom, and I would call in to hear my name announced with the half hour break for membership.

So I is.

And again, I don't believe the apocalypse is upon us despite all the evidence to it.

But why or why are we potentially not connected to that part of our lives as we once were?

The programing is still great.

My daughter's three.

She's still plugged into Daniel Tiger.

She's not the smartest kid, so maybe she's not an ideal audience, but.

But genetics works best.

Well.

It's not their mom's fault.

Yeah.

Works is also a general statement.

But talk to me, Dale, to talk.

To me about potentially where there is a potential.

A little bit of a break there.

Well, I think that streaming has made a big difference in this world, and there is so much out there now that there are so many choices.

And I think it has divided the audiences.

So there are niches that people have chosen for themselves.

Yes, sir.

You know, you talk about, you know, the the need for more local programing, programing like ours.

You know, we try to do something new and different.

I'm curious, when you look at our show, if you had to pick your least favorite part of our show, what is your least favorite thing that we do?

You can't say.

Kevin.

You can't say Gretchen.

It's the least favorite segment.

Least favorite moment.

What what is it?

I think one that we'll probably do towards the end of this program.

And that is Gretchen's wacky quiz.

Well, it's now time for.

How about this?

Yeah, right on time.

All right.

I'm gonna ask for rapid fire questions.

Gretchen's going to ask you to, describe Toledo in one word or BJ.

That's right.

And then you and Matt will list the nine best things in Toledo.

Okay.

Question number one.

What's your favorite month of the year?

February is your birthday.

My birthday?

Yeah.

What's the last spontaneous thing you did?

It's legal.

You can say with FCC regulations.

Come on.

The show.

There you go.

Okay.

What's your favorite quote about life?

My dad's, life is not fair like that.

Deal with it.

Complete the sentence.

I wish everyone could be happy.

Oh.

What's your number?

What's the one word you would use to describe the city of Toledo?

Or the region?

Livable.

Okay.

Like it?

All right.

We're doing nine together.

Ready?

Nine.

Favorite things.

Let's do it.

Number one.

Hiking.

All right, love it.

Where do you hike?

Any park I can find.

All right, I'll go put parks.

Great.

Open greenspace.

Love it.

You didn't say what Park service is.

An open.

Sure.

City parks, Miami Bay.

So good.

Yep.

Miami Bay.

What?

What else?

Favorite.

Favorite things about the region?

What do you like to eat?

Oh, can I say.

And restaurants?

Yeah.

Yeah, sure.

You tell us what to do.

You see?

No.

This.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yes.

Yep, yep.

On by Mousa and his lovely bride.

So we're going to give you two extra point for that.

All right.

We've got four left.

What do you do?

What's a secret place that you like to, Or not?

So, popular place that you like to, habitually go to in in our area.

It is that level of commons.

Yeah.

All right.

Benchmark.

Benchmark.

Yes.

Very good.

Good store.

All right, all right.

You got three left.

If you are spending an evening or people coming into town, what is a cultural experience you want them to experience?

Live arts Toledo, live arts Toledo.

What's three right there.

Okay, I'll give you two.

Now, what's your bride's name.

In.

There?

You got this nine symbol.

Simple.

That's good.

It's not that bad.

Yeah, you did great.

If people want more information on, the announcement today about, the partnership between Wbgo, PBS programing, where can they find it?

Dot org.

Awesome.

Very exciting.

Thank you.

This is.

Great.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Thank you.

I on behalf of the three of us, I mean, we've really enjoyed as we're coming into our final month of season one, we've really enjoyed the partnership with Wjct.

And I will say we we like.

Yeah, we like you.

Have been really impressed with the the incredible talent that's inside this building.

And we're so blessed to be a part of this, and it has brought us a new audience.

We thank you for that.

I assume Shane left the building.

That's why we can say that we've been pressed by everybody in the building that's right, that's right.

We think he's outside right now.

That's Saint Fast.

He's chasing the.

Geese around.

The party that he finally could serve a purpose.

Thanks.

Thanks, Dave.

Thank you so much.

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Welcome back into the 419 powered by GT as we wrap up a Wellness Wednesday edition presented by our friends at work.

Spring.

Men's Health.

The topic so what are you two going to both do this month as a result of our men's Health conversation?

Kevin.

Apparently I'm going to go see my primary care physician.

Is the last time you saw him or her making me doctors?

I don't know if you knew that.

Oh, I didn't know that.

Actually.

You're the only sexist at the table, apparently.

No, this is this is embarrassing.

But I don't have a primary care physician.

I have.

I go see my cardiologist, you know, just about every four months.

And so between all of my cardiac, I think that counts.

That is the primary focus for me over the last few years.

But he's only in your heart.

Right?

I don't want them to look at anything else.

Right?

Yeah.

Right.

Now the rest, no.

Matter what.

The rest of it is a real.

Mess.

I think the idea of getting actual information, like, I don't know what my caloric intake is, I've been trying to keep a better eye on my steps, which to me is a little bit of of embarrassing because there's somebody at one time who is pretty active, I now consider like taking a walk, exercise, and I don't know if that's good.

Of course, walking in your steps in this is important, but I don't know if that's like, hang it up.

You know what I mean?

Like, how active should I be for the is more active?

And I think he said something that is so true and we all know it to be true, but getting started is absolutely the most difficult thing.

The first trip to the gym or whatever the thing is, is really hard followed only by the second.

Yes, third, fourth, fifth, sixth.

Usually fine, the second week usually okay if you can get the first week going.

Yeah.

Well.

And pacing yourself along the way.

Right.

Not like, hey, I'm going to the gym five days a week.

It's go a couple of days and just get in the habit of that.

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