
“Norma and Wanda,” LGBTQ+ History Month, Concert of Colors
Season 10 Episode 15 | 26m 46sVideo has Closed Captions
Going behind the scenes of the “Norma and Wanda” play and celebrating Michigan’s LGBTQ+ community.
This week on One Detroit: We’ll go behind the scenes of a holiday play written by Jeff Daniels that runs through December 21 at The Purple Rose Theatre Company in Chelsea, Michigan. Plus, in recognition of October as LGBTQ+ History Month, we’ll look at some of the contributions of Michigan’s LGBTQ+ community. And we’ll close the show with a performance by the band “WAR”
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“Norma and Wanda,” LGBTQ+ History Month, Concert of Colors
Season 10 Episode 15 | 26m 46sVideo has Closed Captions
This week on One Detroit: We’ll go behind the scenes of a holiday play written by Jeff Daniels that runs through December 21 at The Purple Rose Theatre Company in Chelsea, Michigan. Plus, in recognition of October as LGBTQ+ History Month, we’ll look at some of the contributions of Michigan’s LGBTQ+ community. And we’ll close the show with a performance by the band “WAR”
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorship- [Narrator] Coming up on "One Detroit," We'll go behind the scenes of a holiday play written by Jeff Daniels and playing at the Purple Rose Theater Company in Chelsea.
Plus in recognition of LGBTQ+ History Month, we'll look at the notable achievements in Michigan's LGBTQ+ community.
And we'll close the show with a performance by the band War.
It's all coming up next on "One Detroit."
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(bright music) - [Narrator] The Purple Rose Theater Company in Chelsea has opened its 35th season with a play set during the holidays.
"Norma and Wanda" is a comedy written by Purple Rose founder, actor and playwright, Jeff Daniels.
"One Detroit's" Chris Jordan attended a rehearsal and talked with the productions director and two of its actors.
(bright music continues) - You want some eggnog, Holly?
How about some eggnog?
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Think of baby Jesus.
(shouts) - [Narrator 2] Late September, the Purple Rose Theater in Chelsea.
A rehearsal for "Norma and Wanda," a comedy by Jeff Daniels.
This is the 20th anniversary production of the play directed by Rhiannon Ragland, a longtime Purple Rose actress turned director.
- It's about two sisters (laughs) who get in a little bit of trouble during the upcoming holiday season.
There's a nosy neighbor, there's an old high school friend, shows up, and things don't get better.
And the secret of a Christmas sausage recipe at stake.
- [Narrator 2] Today, the cast is working with fight director Christina Tracer on a scene where a family Christmas devolves into a brawl.
- Somebody better pay me something or (clicks teeth) Father Time is gonna spread a little Christmas cheer of his own.
It is absolute chaos.
Like, Jeff is brilliant with chaos.
- [Kristin] He loves chaos.
- [Henri] He's brilliant with chaos.
Brilliant with chaos.
- And it's on full display.
- Yes, full display.
And it's always an adventure to know that the audience is coming in expecting this holiday play.
Right?
(laughs) And it is a holiday play, but it's not the holiday play you thought you were coming to see.
- I think it's just funny, like it's classically funny.
He really wrote like a very traditional sort of sitcom structure, but wrote it in a very dark and unlikeable way in terms of a lot of the characters.
And so it really tests you, that you find yourself identifying with these people that you would not normally want to identify yourself with.
And hilarity ensues.
- And it's really, really human.
Maybe not the best parts of humanity that you want to see, but it's really, really human.
Like when you watch this show, when you see this show, you will be able to identify either with yourself or family members or friends.
There's no way you walk out of here and you do not identify with one of these characters, at least one.
- I'll show you.
I play Norma Randolph, one of the two sisters.
I'm the more proper of the two.
The set is my home, early '90s, curated just to the way I like to prepare for the holidays.
And I have an affinity for my cat.
I feel like it's a need for comedy.
I feel like where we are in our society right now is, I think comedy is so essential and the need to laugh and to have that levity and the timing feels so right to just escape with laughter.
I think that has been a goal recently of this theater, of bringing all different types of comedies to these audiences.
- Jeff's intention, the way he built the theater, it's 168 seats in a thrust shape.
So the audience is on three sides of you and they're literally just a handhold away.
He intentionally made you sit in the room with them and wants you to feel a part of each story, that sort of fly on the wall experience.
- And it's a lot of listening, a lot of listening.
We are listening to each other and we are living in this world and allowing people to see into this world that we're living in.
But also while we're doing that, we're listening to the response of what's happening out here as well.
So it's always alive.
Even though we're doing seven performances a week, it's still alive for us each time.
You know, and it's beautiful.
It's amazing.
- And I can say, like, as an actor and a director, this is the hardest place that I've ever worked because it is so intimate.
They are so close.
Their responses do sort of impact your work.
But I would also not wanna work any other way.
- Getting to work with Rhiannon.
We've worked together on stage and this is my first time working with her as a director.
It's really exceptional.
The way that that Rhiannon understands Jeff's comedy, the two of them really can unlock the humor in a way that no one else can.
They both are very physical.
The writing is very physical.
What happens on stage is very physical and Rhiannon is like a genius in bringing out the physical humor.
It's a really specific, intentional way to work that if you do trust the process and we do, it's really fulfilling.
- I love working with playwrights.
That's one thing, Jeff, because this theater sort of is his, has an opinion.
And when you work with him long enough, you build that trust, you build that language, he'll come to you.
You know, you know this character better than I do at this point.
How would she say this?
So you get to have those moments that are so rare and such a gift.
And it's very collaborative.
- Like we're all just trying to do our best work.
And again, having something that's living and breathing and not stale from all aspects, whether it's a design aspect or a playwriting or directing or you know, we're just not trying to fit a form.
I'm not trying to recreate what somebody has already done.
And that freedom and creative expression is, I mean, it's what we live for.
- [Narrator] "Norma and Wanda" runs through December 21st at the Purple Rose Theater Company.
Let's turn now to LGBTQ+ History Month.
October is a time to celebrate the contributions and achievements of the LGBTQ+ community.
I teamed up with my "One Detroit" colleagues, Bill Kubota and Chris Jordan for an in-depth report on Michigan's impact on LGBTQ+ history.
The local milestones include the state's first pride celebration 53 years ago and the nation's first openly gay political candidate elected to office.
(bright music) Ferndale Pride 2025, the stretch of Nine Mile Road helping kick off Pride Month in southeastern Michigan.
It's one of the biggest in the state.
- So we've been doing this for 15 years now.
We're considered one of the big six Pride events.
And so for me that is kind of our little mark of fame, but we are one of the smallest towns of those big six.
And so now we have these opportunities to show all these people who are like you in one setting and just say, "It's okay to be you today."
You're gonna find someone else who's like you and you're gonna have a really good time and embrace who you are.
- [Narrator] Jaye Spiro owns a martial arts studio on Nine Mile.
Ferndale Pride is outside her front door.
- It is just baffling to me how much we have been embraced as gay and lesbian people.
You know, that these Prides are huge now.
- [Narrator] It started in New York City, 1970, with the Christopher Street Gay Liberation Day March, commemorating the time a year before when demonstrators clashed with police after a raid of the Stonewall Inn, a gay bar in Manhattan.
Pride marches with spread nationwide, coming to Detroit in 1972.
- When the idea came to the fore in Michigan to have a Pride march and a Pride celebration and start having activities, they named it Christopher Street, Detroit.
So that's where the name comes from.
I should note that Christopher Street comes from the name of the street that the Stonewall Inn was on.
- [Narrator] In Farmington Hills, a history lesson for Pride Month, they're hearing about happenings 53 years ago.
- And part of this early pride week was the opening of Detroit's first LGBTQ community center.
- [Narrator] The community center, located in the Virginia Park neighborhood.
Tim Retzlaff's been collecting this history for years, researching things like this GLF banner that's for the Gay Liberation Front.
- It's an heirloom for our community, so it's a really important artifact.
- [Narrator] It's on display at the Detroit Historical Museum for the next few months.
Part of an exhibit about a comic book titled "Come Out in Detroit," in which Retzlaff drew from oral histories to recreate Christopher Street Detroit, '72.
- This is my favorite page from "Come Out in Detroit" because it goes to show just how many people were there.
This wasn't 15 or 20 people marching down Woodward Avenue.
This was many people marching down Woodward Avenue.
- We decided this is the way to tell this story.
It's the origin story.
That's what comic books are known for, it's the origin stories.
We know where Bruce Wayne and Superman and Spider-Man come from.
It kind of fit into being a comic book that way.
- [Narrator] "Come out in Detroit's" illustrator is Isabel Clare Paul.
- I didn't know very much about it at all, starting out.
And so getting to do that research and learn that history and have access to all these old stories was really kind of special to me.
Pretty heavy topic, but the best way we can get around it is, you know, bringing an air of joy to it.
This was the same weekend they went to Palmer Park.
- It's really strange to get old.
And then what you did in your youth is actually history.
- [Narrator] Susan Swope lives near Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, but she'd been an anti-war activist at the University of Michigan.
Then studying law at Wayne State University.
- In high school, I realized I was lesbian, but I did not have a word for it.
I thought I was the only one in the world.
That's what it was like growing up in a small town in the '50s and '60s.
- At first I was pretty closeted.
Although I might not have said I'm a lesbian, it was clear.
- Lesbianism wasn't really up in the front of people's consciousness.
You know, gay men were much more thought about.
- You know, you're seeking people like you.
Was it hard?
- It was very hard.
Well, it was illegal.
Being gay was actually illegal.
So you had to be very much more secreted and closeted in those days.
I mean, I was a teacher.
You know, would you want your children to be taught by gays?
You know, they'll corrupt their minds.
- Having come from the student activist movement against the war of what I understood was the power of acting as a group and of marches and rallies and public protests.
- Our whole generation that came from the Civil Rights movement and the anti-war movement, I mean, we were dead serious.
The gay and lesbian movement just had a, you know, yeah, we were fighting against oppression and homophobia, but also, it was a big party and we were having fun and we were coming out and we were free.
And so it was a very different energy and you can really catch that.
- [Narrator] MaryLee Melvin helped organize the march.
- It was quite an ordeal to put this together because we were just kind of making it up as we went along.
- Were there other things that you were involved in leading up to the march?
- It was very helpful to find this press release that I wrote.
- [Narrator] The first line: "If Michigan gay activists have their way, Detroit will never be the same again after June 24 and 25."
- I am so proud of us.
We were reaching out, this was sent far and wide.
We were encouraging people to come from all over Michigan and from Canada.
- They had matchbooks made.
Lots of people were still smoking at the time.
That was a way to kind of get the word out.
They had stickers made, they had buttons made, they had T-shirts made.
- So I came up with the idea for our logo, but the idea was a butterfly with an arm and a fist for the body and the head of the butterfly.
And it said "Come out!"
- My friend Susan Swope asked if they would be willing to pay me $25 a week to be an official event organizer.
And they said yes, and so I felt like I was the first professional paid lesbian in Detroit.
- [Narrator] MaryLee Melvin gave the marching orders.
- The morning of the march down Woodward from I think maybe Wayne State to Kennedy Square, which no longer exists in downtown Detroit.
It was raining, of course.
(laughs) - Susan Swope was the one lesbian that we know spoke at it.
- My own personal fear was I was still married and my husband knew I was a lesbian and we were working through that, but I hadn't come out to his parents and they lived in Detroit and I was gonna speak and the TV cameras were gonna be there.
But in the end, what they showed on TV was not the speeches, but the drag queens who had been sitting on the hood of a car and when the car stopped, they slid off the front of the car.
Ha ha.
- Christopher Street was a combination of that.
You know, we're here and we're queer and we want the laws against us changed 'cause there were still laws against gay men in particular.
- For most of us, you know, we didn't fit in.
So the march was a place where you could celebrate who you were.
- It felt good.
It gave purpose to my life.
I've always wanted to help people.
And here I was helping my own community.
- [Narrator] Another speaker at the march, Jim Toy, an Ann Arbor resident active in Detroit.
- This is another great picture of Jim Toy.
This is more what he looked like at the time.
- [Narrator] Toy, already an activist, was part of the Detroit Walk to Freedom March in 1963.
- He heard Martin Luther King give the first version of the "I Have a Dream" speech in Detroit.
- [Narrator] Toy was among those protesting the Vietnam War before Christopher Street.
- They took part in the anti-war movement rally that was held in April of 1970.
And that's where Jim Toy became the first person to publicly come out as gay in Michigan.
- And a lot of people have asked him, "Did you plan to come out in that speech?"
And he said, "Well, I wasn't planning to speak and do that that day, but I just decided that's what I would do, like just a few minutes beforehand."
- I probably said, "My name is Jim Toy.
I'm 40 years old and I'm a gay man."
Well, I had not thought about the press and the Detroit Free Press and the Detroit News were there and they published articles, and so I was out.
- [Narrator] Jim Toy died in 2022.
Born in 1930 to a white mother and Chinese father, he grew up in a small town in Ohio.
He married, divorced amicably, and found Detroit's gay community, traveling often from Ann Arbor with a friend.
- We called ourselves the Detroit Gay Liberation Movement.
John and I driving in there two and three times a week for meetings, in his car, said to each other, "You know, this is ridiculous.
Let's start a group in Ann Arbor."
So we did.
- [Narrator] Toy's papers are held in the Bentley Historical Library at the University of Michigan, the school where he made his biggest mark, advocating for LGBTQ+ students.
In 1971, Toy helped create what was called the Human Sexuality Office.
- They had so many people come after them, including regents.
There were regents that were hellbent on destroying that office.
- [Narrator] That office is considered the first of its kind, now known as the Spectrum Center.
- It's not likely that there was an office anywhere in the world that preceded ours.
And we have never learned that there has been.
- Jim really believed in the power of institutions to change from within.
And he was controversial in this way.
Some of the radicals thought, you've gotta tear the old institutions down.
- [Narrator] Toy kept working, receiving an honorary doctorate from the University of Michigan in 2021.
- No one knows how Jim didn't burn out.
I mean, it was so draining what he did.
- He was a friend to me, a mentor, somebody who was one of my earliest supporters in running for county commission eight years ago.
- [Narrator] Jason Morgan, an openly gay state representative, first took that office in 2022.
He grew up in a small town north of Bay City, but moved to Ann Arbor.
- Then I found this incredible community in Ann Arbor that wasn't just okay with people being gay, they embraced it and celebrated it and really supported me as just a human being, as an individual.
And I would say didn't care if I was gay.
But no, they did.
They cared in a really positive way.
- [Narrator] Ann Arbor led the nation observing Gay Pride Week in 1972.
- And then last but not least in terms of the gay liberation period, Kathy Kozachenko ran as an out lesbian in Ann Arbor in 1974.
- [Narrator] Kathy Kozachenko ran for city council and won.
- This is my favorite picture from back in that era.
This is me.
- [Narrator] The first out person to win public office in the nation.
- We knew that it was a first, but there's no way that I would've ever thought that I would be talking about it 50 years later.
And in fact, my niece Chelsea called me one day, says, "Hey, Aunt Kath, do you realize you have a Wikipedia page?"
And I'm like, "What?"
- [Narrator] Kozachenko lives in Pittsburgh these days.
- When I talk about that time period, people have to remember that what I'm talking about is a very liberal, liberal isn't even the word, radical college campus.
So things were different where I was than they were in the rest of the country.
- [Narrator] At U of M, she was another '60s activist fighting for better conditions for farm workers.
- I found an organization called The Human Rights Party that sort of articulated my passion for economic justice as well as social justice.
- [Narrator] Two human rights party candidates had already won Ann Arbor City Council seats in 1972.
Jerry De Grieck and Nancy Wechsler would be the first openly gay elected officials who came out after they were elected.
They spearheaded the campaign for Gay Pride Week, but were leaving office as Kozachenko started her city council run.
- A young man, we started talking.
He said, "I'm really religious."
And I'm like, you know, "Oh, okay."
And he says, "But God works in mysterious ways.
I'm gonna vote for you."
And I said thank you.
So I had that instance, and then I had another, less pleasant instance and I knocked on this door and I talked to these two young women and as I was walking away, I could sort of hear them sort of giggling.
One said to the other one, "That was her, that was her.
Did you see her looking at you?
Did you see her checking you out?"
And I just really wanted to go back and knock on their door and say, "It's not like that.
You can't transfer the way men react to women with how lesbians relate to women and relate to each other."
But I wasn't brave enough to do that.
So I just, you know, shook it off and went on to the next door.
- [Narrator] Kozachenko won by 109 votes in a ward well populated by college students.
She served one term.
Since then, there's been more representation in public office.
There's Michigan's attorney general, and in the state legislature, six representatives and one senator make up the LGBTQ+ caucus.
- We are still at seven today.
And that is huge.
That is massive progress for our state.
And most of us didn't run as, you know, "Oh, we're just running as a gay person."
We ran as community members stepping up to run and serve everybody in our community.
But it does matter that we are at the table when decisions are being made and that we are represented.
- [Narrator] 50 years later, Kathy Kozachenko has a different mission.
She's following the deportations of hundreds of people to El Salvador, including gay makeup artist Andre Jose Hernandez Romero.
- It touched my heart and outraged me at the same time.
This has sparked a passion in me.
And it's one way to take a little piece and to say, I'm not gonna forget this man.
- [Narrator] This June, she's working Pride events like this one in Jamestown, New York.
An activist, reactivated today.
- It's really applicable today where it's like you have to take care of each other, you have to stand up, you gotta start doing stuff to make things happen otherwise it's never gonna happen.
And just to say, "No, hey, you need to treat us better than that."
- What would you say to someone who is watching and you know, maybe has that similar feeling to when you were younger?
- Find your people and work with them.
- [Narrator] That'll do it for this week's "One Detroit."
Thank you for watching.
We leave you now with a performance from this year's Detroit PBS broadcast of the Best of Concert of Colors, which featured a variety of music genres from around the world.
Here's funk, soul, and rock band, War.
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