TIM: WELCOME BACK TO THIS SPECIAL POST-ELECTION CORRESPONDENTS EDITION OF OFF THE RECORD.

OUR LEAD STORY, THE DEMOCRATIC BLUE WAVE SWEEPS ACROSS STATE GOVERNMENT FROM THE GOVERNOR ON DOWN TO CONTROL OF THE LEGISLATURE.

HERE TO OFFER THEIR INSIGHTS ON ALL OF THIS, KYLE MELINN, EMILY LAWLER, LAUREN GIBBONS AND CHAD LIVENGOOD.

SIT IN WITH US AS WE GET THE INSIDE OUT, OFF THE RECORD.

ANNOUNCER: PRODUCTION OF "OFF THE RECORD" IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY: AND NOW THIS EDITION OF OVER THE RECORD WITH TIM SKUBICK.

TIM: WELCOME TO STUDIO C. NOTHING HAPPENING IN TOWN THIS WEEK, SO LET'S GO HOME EY.

GIVE ME ONE WORD.

AN ADJECTIVE.

>> WAVE.

>> RIPPLE.

>> SWEEP.

>> THAT WASN'T ANED A JEKIVE.

>> THAT WAS NOT AN ADJECTIVE.

HOW ABOUT INCREDIBLE.

WAS IT NOT INCREDIBLE ELECTION DAY?

>> OH, I DON'T KNOW.

MAYBE IT WAS UNEXPECT.

>> YOU DON'T KNOW?

>> LOOK.

ALL ELECTIONS ARE.

>> I HAVE ONE VOTE OV HERE.

>> FOR INCREDIBLE?

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS CERTAINLY NOTEWORTHY, I SUPPOSE.

>> WOE.

YEAH.

>> LOOK.

DEMOCRATS DID WELL.

OF THE THEY DID WELL BECAUSE ABORTIONS WITH ON THE TICKET AND GOT YOUNG FEMALE VOTERS OUT TO SUPPORT PROPOSAL 3 AND PEOPLE WHO WANTED ABORTION ACCESS IN THE STATE MADE A CONCENTRATED EFFICIENT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR TO PUT ABORTION ON THE BALLOT AND SAW ROWE COMING AND MOBILIZED YOUNG WOMEN TO GET OUT, PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS AND ENTHUSE.

THEY NEEDED FOR DEMOCRATS TO WIN UP AND DOWN.

I SAID RIPPLE BECAUSE IT SEEMED LOOK THE BIG MARGINS AT THE TOP AND BIG MAR GENS ON THE PROPOSALS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE CAME OUT FOR RIPPLED HE WAY DONE THE BILLION LET AND THE BIGGEST AND MOST MONUMENTAL RESOLVE.

>> INCREDIBLE.

>> YEAH.

THAT IS THE PART THAT IS CRENELED THEN ESPECIALLY IN THE STATE HOUSE RIGHT?

I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU KNOW, FOR A YEAR AT THIS POINT THEN TILTED REPUBLICAN.

RIGHT.

IN THE HOUSE.

THE, IN THE SENATE YOU COULD SEE A PATH IN THE HOUSE THAT WAS LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED BUT YOU KNOW, IT IS ESPECIALLY WHEN WE STARTED SEEING DOWN RIVER THEN THE UPNORTH SEATS, TOO THAT WAS FASCINATING TO WATCH THEN THAT IS GOING TO BE A SEA CHANGE IN HOW GOVERNMENT OPERATES IN LANSING.

>> WELL, IT WAS INCREDIBLE HOW THE REPUBLICANS DID NOT LEAVE ON THE ISSUE OF ABORTION.

FROM THE MOL ARE MOMENT THAT THE ALITO OPINION LEAKED IN MAY TILL JUNE 24th WHEN FORM ARELY CAME DOWN FROM THE SUPREME COURT DEMOCRATS MOBILIZED AND ALREADY HAD THIS BALLOT INITIATIVE OF COOKING THEY GOT THAT GOING IN ADVANCE BUT THE REPUBLICANS DIDN'T REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPACT WAS AND YOU GO BACK TO THE 1931 LAW YOU ARE GOING BACK TO EFFECTIVE DARK AGES ON ABORTION.

THEN, THEN JUST IGNORED THAT AND THE DEMOCRATS JUST MESSAGED THIS INCREDIBLEBLY WELL.

AND AND, THEY NAILED THIS ISSUE ON NO EXCEPTION TO RAPE AND INCREST AND NAILED TUDOR DIXON OVER THE HEAD OVER AND OVER FOR TWO MONTHS STRAIGHT UNANSWERED TELEVISION AND NEVER SEEN THAT IN A GOVERNOR'S RACE WHERE A CANDIDATE STAYS SILENT FOR AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER.

SO HOW WOULD THE REPUBLICANS SUPPOSED TO FINESSE THIS ISSUE?

>> I WOULD SAY THAT ONE QUESTION WAS PENNED AROUND IN MY MIND IS HOW MANY POINTS THE REPUBLICANSES COULD HAVE GAINED AND IF THEY COULD HAVE KEPT THE HOUSE AND SENATE AND IF THEY DIDN'T GO WITH THE HARD LINE STANCE ONLY TO SAVE THE LIFE OF THE NOTER IF THEY HAD RELATIONSHIP AND INCREST EX EXCEPTION ACROSS THE BOARD THEN I THINK THEY COULD HAVE KEPT THE HOUSE ORNATE.

TO THE POPE THEY HAVE CELL THE HOUSE.

THEY HAD SESSION DAYS IN SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER.

THEY COULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING.

THEY COULD HAVE PASSED A BILL.

THEY COULD HAVE PASSED A BILL ESTABLISHING SOME TYPE OF REG LAGS REPAL THE 31 LAW ON THEIR OWN AND DO, MAYBE NOT MAJORITY BUT PLURALITY AT LEAST WOULD SUPPORT.

>> THEY SUBBINGED AL THE AIR OUT OF THAT ISSUE.

ENOUGH OF THE AIR TO GET INDEPENDENT VOTERS WHO IGNORED THEM.

>> YOU GO LOOK AT THE MEMO AND THE DEMOCRATS WIN BY 150,000 VOTES ACROSS ALL HOUSE SEATS.

YOU 160,000 OR SOMETHING ALONG THE SENATE SEATS.

YOU GOT TO WONDER WHAT THEY HAD TRIED TO NEW TRILLIONIZE THIS ISSUE.

MIKE HAD CALLED SESSION IN JULIE WHEN IT WAS REALLY, REALLY WAS ALARM FIRE AND IF YOU COULDN'T READ TA MEM MO ON JUNE 4th THEN, THE DECISION CAME DOWN.

YOU WERE NOT READING AND THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, THEY EFFECTIVELY WENT ON VACATION FOR FOUR MONTHS, AND DIDN'T JUMP ON THIS BECAUSE THEY DOESN'T WANT TO CROSS RIGHT TO LIFE.

RIGHT.

THE BIGGEST POINT, RIGHT 234-6789 THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A BIG BREAK FROM PREVIOUS PRECEDENT AND EVERYONE WANTS THE RIGHT TO LIFE AND EVERYBODY IS TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT RIGHT TO LIFE POLICIES IN THE LEGISLATURE AND RIGHT TO LIFE WAS SAYING, WE SUPPORT THE 1931 LAW SHORE WHAT IS A LOT OF THE LAWMAKERS WERE DOING, CERTAINLY WHWHERE YOU YOU SAW IN A COUPLEF RACES, A JACK OH MALL WILLING I, REPORTED LOSING THE RIGHT TO LIFE ENDORSE BECAUSE WE WAS WALKING BACK SEEING THE RIGHT ON HE WALL THAT WAS REALLY, REALLY CLOSE RACE AND DID NOT SEIZE THAT IN A LOT OF OTHER PLACES WHERE YOU KNOW, AND HON ALSO I, PROBABLY TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE FOR HIM BECAUSE HE HAD ALREADY YOU THOUGH, ALREADY HAD HAD THAT RATING TO LIFE ENDORSE PRESIDENT THEN NOTHING WAS HAPPENING, SO DEMOCRATS WERE MAKING THE CASE UP AND DONE THE TICKET THEN SAW ALL THE LOCAL ADS WITH THE MONEY BEING SPENT IN THE LOCAL STATE HOUSING AND SENATE RACES, SAYING, IF YOU ELECT THIS PERSON, WE WILL STILL HAVE THAT 1931 LAW ON THE BOOKS THEN EFFECTIVE CASE.

>> YOU KNOW TO YOUR POINT ON THE MEM MO.

ANOTHER THING HE MENTIONED THE DEMOCRATS AND WHITMER GOT TO DEFINE DIXON ABORTION AND HAD THE REPUBLICANS BEEN ABLE TO GO ON OFFENSIVE WITH IT AND RESTENT THE GOVERNOR A BILL THAT STILL KEPT ABORTION LEGAL WITH VERY YOU KNOW, POINTED EXCEPTIONS YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DO AT THIS TIME PAST LET'S SAY 16 WE WOULD BE OR WHATEVER.

CREATE AN EXCEPTION THEN PUT THIS ON THE DESK THEN MADE HER MAKE DECISION ON THAT AND SHE WAS GOING TO DO.

SHE WAS GOING TO FIGHT LIKE HELL TO KEEP ABORTION LEGAL THEN REPEAL THE 31 LAW AND WOULD THE HAVE SOONED THAT BILL AND PUT IT ON THE DESK AND HE ANSWER WAS NO AND THEY COULD HAVE SAID, NO THE GOVERNOR IS EXTREME BECAUSE WE GAVE HER SOMETHING SENSIBLE AND SAID NO.

LET'S GO BACK TO AUGUST AND COULD HAVE DONE THIS THE DAY AFTER.

THEY COULD HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH.

NO ONE HAD TO CROSS RIGHT TO LIFE THEN THEY COULD CROSS RIGHT TO LIFE THE DAY AFTER THE PRIMARY THEN RIGHT TO LIFE WOULDN'T HAVE PUT THAT FIT.

THEN, INSTEAD, WHAT WAS AUGUST ALL ABOUT.

>> FIGHTING OVER WHO IS THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR AND NOMINEE FOR THE PARTY AND IT WAS HUGE PARTY JAIL AND GOING TO LIKE BRING ONE OF THE CANDIDATE INTERESTS THE PRIMARY INTO THE TUDOR DIXON TICKET IN THE, THEN, JUST THE WAY THAT HERNANDEZ NOMINATION WENT DOWN AND SEEMINGLY ALL IN WINDY AND LOOKED LOOK THE WAS RUNNING OUT OF PEOPLE.

>> WORKING THE BASE LYNNE AND PEOPLE LIKE THEY SHOW UP.

NO.

NO.

AND THEY COULD READ IT.

YEAH.

YEAH.

THEY COULD.

THEY COULD.

AND SO I MEAN SHALL THEY WASTED ALL OF AUGUST.

>> DID SHE VERY A SHOT OF THIS.

>> I THINK THERE WAS PEERED WHERE SHE HAD PIVOTED TO MOVE TOWARD GENERAL ELECTION VOTERS AFTER THE PRIMARY, THEN HAD DONE THAT QUICKLY ENOUGH AND STOCKED UP AND HAD IT ENOUGH THEN HAD MOVED TO THE MIDDLE THEN DROPPED THE ISSUES THEN YOU KNOW, GOING TOWARD IN THIS IS LIKE SHE IS HOLING PRESS CONFERENCES WHERE THE MAIN POINT OF A PRESS CONFERENCE TO TALK ABOUT TRANSKIDS OR BOOKS IN SCHOOL LIBRARY THEN TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUALS BOOKS IN SCHOOL LIBRARIES USE HAVE THE NARRATIVE OF WHAT IS GOING ON THE STATE RIGHT.

THAT IS A GRN U LAR ISSUE.

THE FIRST DEBATE DIDN'T MENTION JOE BIDEN'S NAME I MEAN, IT WAS, IT WAS SO MUCH OF THIS DOWN IN THE WEEDS SCHOOL BOARD ELECTION ISSUES IN THE, THEN, THEN, BACK TO ONE LAST THING ON THE RAPE AND IN CREST POINT WE PULLED THIS THING ALONG THE REPUBLICAN BEFORE THE PRIMARY IN ID MID-JULY AND 2 PERCENT OF REPUBLICAN VOTERS SAID THAT, SA SAID THAT TEEN AGE GIRLS SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET ABORTION IN THE CASES OF RAPE.

TUDOR DIXON IN THE 16 PERCENT OF THE REPUBLICAN VOTERS THAT IS HOW FAR OUT SHE WAS.

>> ONE STEP FURTHER, 60% OF THE PEOPLE IN MICHIGAN ARE PRO-CHOICE.

OK. JUST ON THE BARE NUMBERS ON THE TABLE.

THIS IS A LOSER.

WE GOT TO FIND SOME WAY TO FINESSE THIS.

>> TO GO BACK TO WHETHER OR NOT SHE COULD HAVE WON EARLY ON IT WAS CLEAR.

THAT THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR'S ASSOCIATION, A LOT OF NATIONAL REPUBLICAN GROUPS WERE FOE CUCING ON OTHER STATES AND THEY WERE NOT REALLY THAT, THEY WERE NOT PRIORITIZING.

>> FOX NEWS.

FOX NEWS.

FOX NEWS.

>> THAT IS BECAUSE WE HAD THIS HUGE PRIMARY AND ALL THE CAN DAYS WHO GOT THROWN OFF.

>> BUT IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT INDEPENDENT VOTERS I AM NOT SURE FOX NEWS IS YOUR FIRST CHOICE RIGHT.

YOU NEED-NY TO CORN RINSE THEM LIKE TELEVISION AND APPEARANCES AND COURTING AND BIGONNORS THAT CAN HELP YOU GET THERE.

SHE WAS GOING AGAINST WHITMER AND SHE WAS ALWAYS OUTSPENT.

I WELL SAY I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MORE, FRANKLY.

I THOUGHT THAT ARE THAT FUNDING COULD HAVE HELPED HER GET UP EARLY AND WE DIDN'T SEE THAT.

THEN, NOBODY FOLLOWED THEM WHICH IS A BIGGER PROBLEM.

>> ALL THE BIG SPENDERS IN THE PARTY TOOK A COUPLE OF GLANCES FOR A MOMENT GAVE HR THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT THEN THE BODY OF WORK PILED UP.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS.

THIS IS NONSTARTER.

WHEN THEY DO GET INVOLVED IT WAS OCTOBER.

THEY SAW HER ON TELEVISION.

THEY SAID, HEY, SHE DID SHALL SHE TOOK TO THE GOVERNOR A LITTLE BIT AND HOLD HER OWN.

LET'S THROW MONEY IN.

BY OCTOBER, YOU KNOW, THE DIE HAD HAD BEEN CAST.

>> RIGHT.

THEY COULD HAVE CLEARLY WON.

LOOK AT OHIO.

LOOK AT FLORIDA.

THERE ARE STATES ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHERE REPUBLICANS DID JUST FINE AND PICKED UP SEATS BUT THEY NEEDED TO LOOK AT THIS AT A WHOLE PICTURE AND HAD TO LOOK AT THIS AS HOW ARE WE GOING TO WIN NOT TAKE IT FOR GRANTED THEY WERE GOING TO WIN AND ADVANCED MESSAGE THEY WANTED TOED ARANCE THEN THEY NEEDED TO ADVANCE THAT WAS GOING TO GE THEM VOTES THEN GET THEM A WIN.

FOLKS THINGS LIKE BIDEN INFLATION THEN INSTEAD THEY WERE BUSY PARTY SQUABBLING ABOUT DONALD TRUMP THEN THIS FACTION AND THAT FACTION THEN TRYING TO APASS THE GRASS ROOTS OF THE PARTY WITH TWO CANDIDATES AND ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO WAS NOT GOING TO GET WIDESPREAD SUPPORT AMONG THE PUBLIC.

>> THE AG CANDIDATE FOR REPUBLICAN PARTY TALKED MORE ABOUT PUBERTY BLOCKERS THAN JUST STRAIGHT UP LIKE CRIME AND JUSTICE AND IN THAT OFFICE.

>> OR DANA NES CYCLE'S RECORD WHICH WAS EXPLOITABLE.

DANA NES CYCLE'S RECORD.

YEAH.

WAS IT NOT.

>> IT WAS EXPLOITABLE AND TALK ABOUT OFFICES AND LONG LINES THEN SHUTTING DOWN THINGS DURING THE PANDEMIC TALK ABOUT ABSENTEE BALLOT APPLICATIONS SENT TO EVERYBODY ON EARTH THEY COULD HAVE TOTALLY EXPLOITED BOTH CANDIDATES IF THEY WOULD HAVE HAD SOMEBODY IN THE MODERATE MIDDLE.

JUST SENSIBLE MAINSTREAM REPUBLICANS COULD HAVE RUN REAL CAMPAIGNS THAT WOULD HAVE DRAWN TOWARD THEM AND HE TOLD ME YESTERDAY, THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR OR REPUBLICAN ATTORNEY GENERAL ASSOCIATION WAS GOING TO PLEDGE HIM $5 MILLION.

IF HE WOULD ARE WON THE NOM NATION HE SAID HE HAD THAT.

$5 MILLION.

HE COULD HAVE RAISED A FEW MILLION FOR SURE AND CONNECTED GUY IN THE WEST AND SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN AND COULD HAVE HE COULD HAVE PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER IN STEAD WE WENT TO MATT DEPERNO WHO COULD NOT SCRATCH TWO NICKELS TOGETHER.

>> FOCUS ON SHORE YOUS THAT DO NOT RESONATE WITH VOTERS OR A SMALL GROUP.

>> WE HAD THOSE PEOPLE.

THEY ALREADY HAD THOSE.

PEOPLE THEY HAD THOSE PEOPLE.

THEY HAD THEM IN THE HANDS OK.

THEY ARE TAKEN CARE OF NOW.

WHO DO WE HEED TO WIN ELECTION?

>> IT WENT TO BAD TRAGEDY YOU HAVE CRESTING TINA WHO SHOULD HAVE BEEN TRYING TO PULL IN SURROGATE AND DOING MEDIA APPEARANCES AND WENT NOWHERE FOR THE LOST THAT WEEKS.

>> WE ARE FIGHTING THE MEDIA.

OR FIGHTING THE MEDIA.

>> FIGHTING BATTLES.

>> ISSUES THAT REALLY I DON'T THINK ANYONE WAS ASKING.

>> WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THIS?

>> THERE IS ONE PERSON ON EARTH HIS NAME IS DONALD TRUMP.

THAT WAS THE NEXT QUESTION.

HE ANOINTED ALL THREE INDIVIDUALS.

HE MADE SURE MATT DEPERNO WON THAT CONVENTION THEN CAME IN THE LAST MINUTE ON THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE PRIMARY LIKE HE HAS DONE IN MANY OTHER STATES THEN OTHER RACES IN THE SENATE AND GOVERNOR'S RACES THEN SAID TUDOR DIXONS THE PERCENT I AM GETTING BEHIND AT THE TIME WE THOUGHT MAYBE MOMENTUM NOW WE GOT THE TRUMP WORKING TOGETHER AND THEN, IT ALL DIED THE NEXT WEEK.

>> LET'S BE CLEAR ON WHY MR. TRUMP STUCK HIS NOSE INTO THIS RACE NOT BASS HE WANTED TO IMPROVE GOVERNMENT IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN AND LAYING THE GROUND WORK OF HAVING PEOPLE IN THE KEY POSITIONS WHO WOULD BACK HIM UP ON THE ELECTION IF THE ELECTION IS STOLEN AGAIN.

AM I RIGHT OR WRONG?

>> YOU KNOW WHAT M DONALD TRUMP AND THE FUND-RAISING MACHINE, YOU KNOW, THE DAY BEFORE.

>> ALL TUCK AND NO ACTION.

HE RAISED A LOT OF MONEY.

HIS PACK SENT OUT A PREAD SHEET AND MEMO OF HOW MUCH MONEY HE RAISED HE RAISED $350 MILLION.

$350 THIS MILLION THEN TAKES CRED DILT AT THE POT TOM HE S SENT $1 MILLION TO TUDOR DIXON AND MATT DEPERSON THE IN THEY DID NOT GET $1 MILLION EACH THEY SHARED $1 MILLION OUT OF $350 MILLION.

WHERE DID ALL OF THIS OTHER MONEY GO TO AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THEN YOU GOT TO MAKE SOME.

>> SPREAD THE WEALTH.

SPREAD THE WEALTH COME ON NOW.

>> IT IS VERY CLEAR IN MICHIGAN, THOSE MESSAGES THE 2020 ELECTION IS NOT RESONATING.

I TALKED TO MONEY EXPERTS SAYING WHY ARE THE -- WHY IS THE SECRETARY OF STATE CANDIDATE FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY STILL FOCUSED SO MUCH ON 2020 A LOT OF PEOPLE BROUGHT THAT UP STATEWIDE NATIONALLY AND IT WAS JUST A HUGE FOCUS AND THEN, HELP, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT STUFF THAT COMES UP IN SECRETARY OF STATE RACES THEN TALK ABOUT THE LINES THEN HOW EASE SIT IS TO RENEW THE DRIVER'S LICENSE THEN THE PLATE AND THEN THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT MOST PEOPLE CARE ABOUT AND THEY DEAL WELL THE ELECTIONS ONCE EVERY YEAR AND A COUPLE OF YEARS DEPENDING IN HOW OFTEN THEY VOTE AND LOCALS.

THEY ARE NOT NEGOTIATION ARLEY FOCUSED ON ELECTION PROCEDURE NOTICE THEY ARE PART OF THAT DIEHARD GROUP AS MANY SAID THEN, THEY HAD THOSE PEOPLE ALREADY.

MISS DIXON DID YOU GET $100,000.

YEAH.

YOU NO WHAT INHEARINGS THE THING THOUGH.

AS THE POLLEST DID THE NUMBER CRUNCHES FOR US.

SHE OUTFER FORMED OR GOT MORE VOTE INTERESTS THE REPUBLICAN BASED THAN BILL SCHUETTE DID AND WHAT HAPPENED IS SHE DIDN'T GET ANY PENT AND HE SAID WERE HUGE AND TOOK A WALK AND TAKE NAP AND DIDN'T PAR PATE IN ELECTION AND IN PARTICULAR HE SAID 10% FEWER FOR DIXON THAN BILL SCHUETTE THAT IS WHAT COST HER.

A LOT OF PEOPLE WENT TO WHITMER.

THEY DENT VOTE AT ALL.

>> UNDER PERFORMING SHOOT TY IN A LOT OF KEY COUNTIES LIKE IN HIS OWN MIDLAND COUNTY SHOULD HAVE 4% OF THE VOTE.

BILL SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN 13.

RICK GOT 24% OF THE VOTE IN THE RERECTION.

JUST A SEAT CHANGE THAT IS GOING ON IN THE COUNTIES LIKE MIDLAND PLETCALLY IS REALLY STARTING TO HAMPER REPUBLICANS.

>> LE, WERE THE VOTERS SENDING MESSAGE THEY WERE FED UP WITH THE FOCUS ON THE PAST AND/OR WAS THERE A MESSAGE THIS THE VOTERS SENT AS A RULE OF THE STUFF WE SAW HAPPEN ON TUESDAY?

ANYTHING INSIGHTFUL?

>> I THINK WE CAN READ A LOT OF IN THISES INIT.

IT DOES THE SEEM LIKE VOTERS ARE LOOKING TOWARD THE FUTURE.

I AM NOT SURE TRUMP VOTES THIHIS WAY AS HE DID IN MICHIGAN.

OBVIOUSLY, I AM NOT SURE THAT TRUMP SORT OF BIGGEST SUPPORTERS ENEMY MY.

PROBABLY SORT OF SEEM TO BE, YOU KNOW, HELPING DIRECT THE SUPPORT IN MICHIGAN, I AM NOT SURE THEY ARELE KAG IT RIGHT.

I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, VOTERS HAVE A LOT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NEEDS TO DO A LOT.

>> WHEN WE ALL WENT TO BED AND GOT TO BED ON ELECTION NIGHT AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE AROUND AND ASSUME THAT WHITMER WOULD WIN AND ASSUME COULD WIN AND NOT SO SURE ON THE AG THEN, THEN, BASICALLY DID, DID YOU THINK THE MICHIGAN HOUSE WAS GOING TO GO?

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS 50.

I THOUGHT THIS WAS 50-5 A SPLIT AND A CORN FLIP ETH ARE WHICH AND I THOUGHT IT WAS EVEN STEVEN MIT.

TAKING THE HOUSE THE FIRST TIME IN 40 YEARS.

THE SENATE.

>> WELL, WILL YOU GIVE ME THAT?

IT IS HISTORIC.

IS DIFFERENT.

IT DOES SELL.

>> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 909 SUBMITS THEN BRIGHTING ABOUT THIS FOR TWO MONTHS SO, IT IS JUST GETTING YOUR HEAD AROUND THINKING OH MY GOD THE DEMOCRATS REALLY IN CHURCH AND SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NOT THOUGHT OF OR EVER PEEKED SO IT IS INCREDIBLE IN THAT REGARD.

OK. >> TELL US THAT EXPERIENCE.

WELL, LOOK.

THE GOVERNOR'S GOT POTENTIAL PROBLEM OK. WITH ONE VOTE MARGIN IN THE HOUSE.

THEN, ONE VOTE MARGIN IN THE SENATE.

THAT BASICALLY MAKES EVERYBODY WHO IS A DEMOCRATIC THAT CHAMBER OF BEING GOVERNOR THAT ALL OF THE SUDDEN LET'S MAKE A DEAL OK AND CANNOT COUNT ON GETTING THOSE VOTES ON EVERY ISSUE SHE WANTS LET'S REP YEN FER GRANHOLM AND WALKED BY ME AND SAID, WE TOOK THE HOUSE.

HOW DID THAT WORK OUT?

GOVERNOR GRANHOLM.

SHE HAD MADE JOR PROBLEMS WITH THE DEMOCRATS IN THAT YOU ARE HOUSE DID SHE NOT.

SHE DID YET.

THIS IS NOT.

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR THE GOVERNOR STILL GOING TO NEED REPUBLICANS THEN SMART AND GOING TO FIND THOSE MODERATE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE SORT OF SITTING OUT THERE SAYING YOU KNOW WHAT THIS THIS WAYS DISASTER THEN HAB WE GET GOOD GOVERNMENT OUT OF THIS.

COP OPERATION.

MAYBE.

>> YOU KNOW?

IT IS FASCINATING TO ME BECAUSE I NEVER COVERED A DEMOCRATIC MAYOR CONTINUE THE LEDGE LA HE TURE AND MY EN DOOR CAREER SO FAR HAS BEEN REPUBLICAN MAJORITY.

I KNOW.

THIS ITS INTERESTING.

BUT YOU KNOW INEVEN WITH THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY THEN IN THE HOUSE.

6:00 YOU SEE MAJORITY BREAK ON CERTAIN ISSUES THEN NEED TO FIND COALITION.

>> THEY DID DEM CRASS RIGHT.

>> THE REPUBLICANS.

ARE GOING TO HAVE, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE DISAGREEMENT AND GOING TO HAVE LAWMAKERS WHO, YEAH.

I IS A SLIM MAJORITY.

IT IS NOT LIKE.

WELL, BECOMES A LOT MORE IMPORTANT.

RIGHT.

YOU NEED MY VOTE.

YOU NEED MY VOTE.

WELL, A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND COME PELTIVE DISTRICTS LIKE McDONALD OR KEVIN THEY RAN AS PROBLEM-SOLVING MODERATES THEY AND SO, YOU GOT TO GIVE THEM VOTES SO THEY GO BACK TO THE DISTRICTS TO SHOW THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE.

SO IF YOU LIKE OPEN UP A WISH LIST OF A LOT OF IDEAS THEN IT IS GOING TO BE A SHORT MAJORITY THEN FOR THESE DEMOCRATS AND YOU DON'T HAVE A MANDATE HERE.

YOU HAVE THE OPERATING MAJORITY AND IN THE , YOU KNOW.

YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT AGENDA YOU ARE GOING TO BE PUSHING OUT.

YOU WILL NOT GET SUPPORT FOR IT.

GOVERNOR WHITMER PUSHED IN THE STATE OF THE STAT ADDRESSING FOR THE 5 CENT GAS IN CREASE NEXT YEAR AND WOULD FAIL AMONG THE LEGISLATURE.

YOU THINK.

>> WELL, BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL NOT GOING TO DO THAT AND SHE IS NOT.

SHE ALSO HE IS GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ON ROADS THEN HAS LEGISLATURE AND SHE RAN ON THIS SHORE YOU AND IT IS SHALL YOU KNOW TIME TO KIND OF YOU KNOW, COME WITH THE OWN PLAN AND YOU CAN GET THE VOTES IN THE, SOMETHING.

SOMETHING THAT.

YOU PUT TOGETHER A GRANDIOSE TAX REDUCTION PACKAGE THIS HAS LITTLE MONEY IN THERE FOR TO EVERYBODY DO SOMETHING.

THEN, I CALL THE GRAND BARGAIN, OK. TO BORROW A TERM TRILLION THE ADMINISTRATION ALL RIGHT.

THEN YOU PULL THAT TECT AND IMPROVE SHE CAN GET THESE TOGETHER.

THAT IS A GREAT LAUNCH AND AM I NOT RIGHT.

YEAH.

SOME KIND OF TAX CUT PACKAGE THEN WANT TO REVISIT THE EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT.

CAN GET SUPPORT.

GIVE ME THE REDUCTION IN THE INCOME TAX RATE.

WELL, I GUESS THAT'S PO BE.

WELL, MEAN.

THAT IS IDEA I DON'T KNOW IF THE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO GO ALONG WITH IT IN.

SHE HAS MONEY.

A TERM FOR THAT.

YEAH.

YEAH.

IT IS ACTUALLY SUPPORTING ROADS NOW THROUGH THE GENERAL FUNDS SUBSIDY OF ROWS THE CENTER MISSION AND ADMINISTRATION STARTED THEN $600 MILLION A YEAR YOU GOT TO COME OFF THE TOP THEN DOING THINGS LIKE THIS AND YOU CAN START DEFUNDING ROADS THEN YOU START DEIF YOU CITIES THEN START DEFUNDNG THE POLICE AND THEN, THAT I, THAT IS REAL WILLING TY WHEN YOU START, YOU START CUTTING THE TAX THEN THE ECONOMY WHO KNOWS HOW THE ECONOMY ITS GOING TO BE OPERATING HERE AND IN THE, THEN, WHITMER WAS IN THE LEGISLATURE DURING THE GRAND HOME YEARS THEN KNOWS WHAT IT IS LIKE TO HAVE TO CUT BUDGET THEN IT IS NOT FUN SO AS MUCH AS THE CAN COOP THE $6 MILLION ON THE BALANCE SHEET TO KIND OF CUSHION.

YEAH.

YEAH INYOU KNOW INNING THAT IS ATTEMPTING AS WELL THEN I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF EM SES ON FENDING SPOR HEALTH CARE AND THEN EDUCATION END THEN I KNOW TEM CASES IS GOING TO BE INTENSE BUT, YOU GOT TO LOOK DOWN THE ROAD AND HAS FOUR YEARS TO GOVERN AND DOESN'T HAVE TO MCA LOT OF DUTS IN THOSE AREAS I AM SURE SHE WOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.

WHAT IF SHE DOESN'T?

>> OH.

MAYBE SHE DOESN'T HAVE FOUR YEARS I KNOW WHERE ARE GOING WITH THAT.

DO YOU BELIEVE THIS STORY ALREADY I READ NEW YORK TIMES YESTERDAY AND AMONG THE TOP THREE PEOPLE THEY LISTED AS POTENTIALS THEN IS THIS A COME CHEATING FACTOR OR NOT.

>> YES BUT I THINK WHITMER HAS DONE THE BEST NO TOT MAKE IT.

IN THIS I THINK SHE.

SHE MAY NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER IT IN.

YEAH.

YEAH.

THE PEOPLE SITTING AROUND THIS TABLE WILL WRITE IT WON'T THEY.

YES.

YES.

YES.

YOU PLEAD GUILTY TO THAT.

RIGHT.

RIGHT OK. YEAH.

RIGHT.

WE ARE WATCHING.

OK. WE WILL WATCH.

WE'LL BE WATCHING FOR SIGNS STARRING WITH THE STATE OF THE STATE AND JUST, JUST, WELL SERVE BEFORE THAT.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AND NOT IN HERE.

OK. WE ARE GOING TO BE WATCHING TO SEE IF THERE IS EFFORT TO TRY TO PUT HER AND YOU KNOW RIGHT AT THE TOP.

EVEN THE CAMPAIGN PEOPLE AFTER THE ELECTION SAID IT.

WELL.

THAT WAS GOING TO HELP.

DO YOU THINK.

WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT.

WHAT IS HELPFUL IS NOT YEAH SOMEONE CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.

I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED IN THE COMING MONTHS AND YEARS THEN I THINK IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT NATIONAL TEM DRATS ARE LOOKING AT MICHIGAN AND HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT MICHIGAN FOR A LONG TIME THEN YOU SAW THE INTENSE SUPPORT THAT CAME ABOUT FOR EXAMPLE THE STATE SENATOR HAS THIS NATIONAL BECAUSE BASS HE WENT VIRAL AND ON SOCIAL MODE WHY AND IN THE, THE, PEOPLE ARE SEEING THE SORT OF MIDWEST DEM CRACT MESSAGE COMING OUT OF MICHIGAN AND SEEING IT IS WORKING THEN, THEN I THINK FOR A LOT OF DEMOCRATS YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY SEEING LOSSES IN OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTRY TO SEE MICHIGAN COME THROUGH WITH THE SOLID DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY IN THE LEGISLATURE THEN IT IS I GUESS, MAYBE INSPIRING HE IS THE WORD THAT SOME OF THE NIGHTSAL DEMOCRATICS ARE SEUSSED SO YEAH YOU ARE GOING TO BE SEEING A HUGE FOCUS FROM NATIONAL.

SO HERE IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOK FOG HERE.

WHERE IS GOVERNOR WHITMER GOING?

YOU KNOW, NOT JUST IOWA.

NOW HE, THAT IS, THAT IS TOO OBVIOUS BUT JUST AROUND THE COUNTRY.

IS SHE SPEAKING TO GROUPS IN YOU KNOW GEORGIA OR IS SHE GOING TO CALIFORNIA OR IS SHE GOING ANYWHERE.

>> LIKE HOLLYWOOD.

YEAH.

NOT HOLLYWOOD.

YEAH.

GRASS ROOTS EVENTS THEN BEEN THERE.

SHE HAS BEEN THERE.

RATING.

SHE IS GOING BEYOND L NEW YORK AND D.C.

HE IS RIGHT.

THEN STARTED SHOWING UP SUBURBAN AT LAP THEN, OH, THERE IS A SIGN.

YEAH.

BECAUSE, SHE IS TESTING THE WITH A ARE HOW IS THE MESSAGING RESONATING WITH PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE MIDWEST?

THEN, THEN, IT IS, YOU KNOW?

IT COULD BE FOR LOOK THE GEORGE GO DEMOCRATIC PARTY OR THE FLORIDA DEMOCRATIC PARTY OR SOMETHING THEN, THE KEYNOTE SPEAKER IS SOMEBODY WHO WON IN MICHIGAN THEN DID WELL.

ALL RIGHT.

DO WE, DO WE AGREE THAT THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ENEMY MY IS ON THE TABLE?

>> OH, ABSOLUTELY.

WHO REDEFOOING IT.

WHO EMERGES THE IMPORTANT WHO TICK ON DONALD TRUMP IF YOU ASOOM YOU HAVE TO DO TO GOT THE PARTY BACK UNDER WHERE YOU WAN I.

WELL, I MEAN THERE IS A MEMO THE PARTY SORT OF RECKONED WITH THE FACT THAT THE DONOR CLASS IS NOT FOLLOWING THE TRUMP AM CHAIN RIGHT.

SO I THINK THAT IF THEY ACCEPT THAT REAL HI END THEY ACCEPT THEIR VOTERS OR THE STATE OF MICHIGAN REJECTED THE TRUMP FRAMING OF THIS ELECTION AND ALL OF HIS CAN FAITHS THEN I MEAN NOT ARTICLE THE CANDIDATES.

AND THEN THINK THEIR ONLY CHOICE TO GO BACK TOWARD THE MODERATE REPUBLICANS THEY HAVE BEEN CALLING.

>> YOU GOT A NAME.

I DON'T HAVE.

THE CLASS OF MICHIGAN WILL GET BEHIND RON DESANTIS OF THE FLORIDA GOVERNOR THEN WHO IS GOING TO REASON THE PARTY IN MICHIGAN THAT IS WHAT I AM ASKING WELL, THAT IS KIND OF I THINK IRRELEVANT.

TO BE HONEST.

>> WELL, IF YOU ARE GOING TO REDEFINE IT.

>> IT DOESN'T.

THEN, DONOR CLASS IS GOING TO MAKE EFFORT TO TRY TO DEFEAT TRUMP IN A PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY THEN GET IT DOWN TO ONE-ON-ONE RACE BETWEEN HIM AND DESANTIS THE, THEY WILL WORK OUT THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE IN THE STATE LEVEL.

>> THANKS TO UL OF A YOU FOR STAYING AWAKE.

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