>> WELCOME BACK.

PORTIONS OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY ARE FIGHTING MANDATORY VACCINE POLICIES AND WENDY BLOCK FROM MICHIGAN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS HERE ON THAT.

OUR LEAD STORY, $10 BILLION DOMI MY.

ON THE OTR PANEL, CHUCK STOKES, NANCY KAFFER AND ZACHARY GORCHOW.

IT IN WITH US AS WE GET THE INSIDE OUT, OFF THE RECORD.

>> PRODUCTION OF OFF THE RECORD IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY THE FOLLOWING.

BUSINESS LEADERS FOR MICHIGAN HAS A PLAN TO MAKE MY MAY TOP TEN STATE IN THE NATION FOR JOBS, PERSONAL INCOME AND A HEALTHY ECONOMY.

LEARN MORE AT MY'S ROAD TO TOP TEN.COM.

AND NOW, THIS EDITION OF OFF THE RECORD WITH TIM SKUBICK.

TIM.

THANK YOU.

HE WELCOME TO STUDIO C ON THIS FRIDAY MORNING AS WE HAVE LOTS ON THE NEWS AGAIN.

LET'S TALK TO THE GREAT PANEL NOW WITH CHUCK, RICK AND NANCY DOWN IN MOTOWN.

SO NANCY, $10 BILLION INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY THE SKY HAS OPENED UP AND FALLEN ON MICHIGAN.

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DOING WITH ME MONEY WE'LL FIX THE DAMN ROADS, RIGHT.

>> WELL,UAL THINK, YEAH.

IF THEY DON'T, SHE IS LOOKING FOR WORK.

>> YEAH P. YEAH.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT PEOPLE, PEOPLE SAY THEY WANT TO FIX THE DAMN ROADS BUT SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE DON'T ACTUALLY PAY TO FIX THE DAMN ROADS SO A BIG INFLUX OF OUTSIDE CASH IS PROBABLY THE ONLY WAY WE ARE GETTING IT DONE AND LIKE YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, IT WAS KIND OF, IT WAS A SLOGAN.

>> RICK, WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING TO GO?

HOW DO THEY DIF VIT UP?

>> WELL, WE DON'T KNOW YET.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE RAW POLITICS OF IT WHICH IS WITH F WE FIX THE DAMN ROADS THEN GRETCHEN WHITMER GETS CREDIT FOR FIXING THE DAMN ROADS SO HOW DO WE NOT PORTION MONEY?

BUT HOW DO WE APPORTION CRED IT?

THEN, ALSO, IN THE BIGGER PICTURE, TIM, THERE IS ALSO THIS ISSUE THIS MONEY CAN BE AND WILL BE CULTURE CHANGING AND SO, WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE BEGINNING OF AN ARGUMENT OVER WHAT THAT CULTURE OUGHT TO LOOK LIKE.

>> CHUCK IT SEEMS TO ME ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS THIS MONEY POURS INTO THE STATE OF MICHIGAN AND THE LEGISLATURE AND THE GOVERNOR SIT DOWN TO SPEND IT IS TO FIGHT THE TEMPTATION OF FEEDING THE PORK BARREL BACK HOME.

I REMEMBER A COUPLE OF WEEKS THE GOVERNOR SAYS WE ARE NOT DOING SMALL PROJECTS BUT PROJECTS WHICH WAS OPENING SHOT TO NOT JUST WAS THIS MONEY, RIGHT?

>> WHERE WILL, YOU ARE RIGHT.

YOU ARE RIGHT.

BUT LET'S FIGURE.

THIS IS THE LEGISLATURE.

EVERYBODY WANTS TO BRING THE BACON BACK HOME TO THEIR DISTRICT AND IF THERE IS ONE THING THAT IS GOING TO BE A PLETHORA OF, IT WILL BE EVERYBODY WILL HAVE A PLAN FOR HOW TO SPEND.

NOW, AS RICK AND MANSE SAID.

HOW DO YOU COME TO SOME HAPPY MEDIUM AND DECIDE WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY ON.

YOU DO THE BIG-TICKET ITEM, THE ROADS AND YOU KNOW, LAW ENFORCEP.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT EVERYBODY CAN SORT OF AGREE ON, THEN, LOOK OUT THE WINDOW SAY WE GOT A PROBLEM HERE.

WELL, BUT TRYING TO NEGOTIATE ALL OF IT SO THAT EVERYBODY FEELS AS THOUGH I CAN GO BACK TO THE WIN IS THE DIFFICULT PART.

THEN NOTICE SO FAR.

THEY HAVE BEEN SLOW TO COME TO THE TABLE AND AGREE ON THINGS.

>> NANCE WHERE I, WATER IS VERY IMPORTANT IF YOU ARE A VIS-A-VIS THE LED PIPES IN MICHIGAN AND THAT IS GOING TO GET THE JOB DONE?

YOU KNOW, I HOPE SO.

I THINK THAT SOME IMPORTANT THINGS IN THE BUILD BACK BETTER ACT I REALLY HOPE THAT PASS COMES TO PLAY.

WE HAD MASSIVE ISSUE OF WATER, AFFORDABILITY IN DETROIT, BUT FOR THE PANDEMIC NO ONE CARED ABOUT THIS.

THERE WERE SO NANNY FOLKS WHO STRUGGLED TO PAY THE PILLS AND GROUPS WHO SAID, THAT IS HUMAN RIGHTS PROBLEM, THE U.N. SAID THAT, PEOPLE SAID, WHAT IF THERE WERE A PANDEMIC WHICH IS KHE SANHTITION AND SEWAGE AND WAB THEIR HANDS AND EVERYBODY LIKE, OH, HA-HA AND STOPPED AT THAT AND THEN, THERE IS A PANDEMIC.

REALIZE THAT PEOPLE HAVE DO THESE THINGS.

>> YEAH.

CHUCK, YOU PARTICULARLY DOWN IN DETROIT HAVE THE FLOODED PREWS.

I ASSUME THERE IS LOTS OF MOTORISTS THROUGHOUT WOULD LIKE TO SEE MONEY GOING TO CLEAN THAT YOU MESS.

OH, YOU BETTER BELIEVE, BASEMENT GAS LOWER GOT FLOODED AND WE HAVE MORE RAIN THIS PAST SPRING AND SUMMER AND I THINK I TURNED MY SPRINKLER SYSTEM ON THREE TIMES FROM MAY ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL OCTOBER.

SO MO MOTHER MAY WAS DOING ITS THING.

IN THE, THERE IS HEAVY DEBATE OVER.

NOW HE, YOU A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO I TALKED TO THE BRAND-NEW MAYOR OF DEARBORN WHO WAS FORMER MEMBER OF THE LEGISLATURE WELL STILL TECHNICALLY A MEMBER OF THE LEGISLATURE AND ASSUMED THE LEAD THERE AND HED UP BIG CITY.

THEN, HE SAID, WELL, ONE.

THINGS HE WILL DO IS GET AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WITH GOVERNOR WHITMORE AND HE WANTS THAT GRAVY TRAIN TO RUN FROM LANSING RIGHT TO HIS DISTRICT WHERE THERE IS A WHOLE LOT OF FLOODING AND HE, A LOT OF PEOPLE FEEL HE WON BECAUSE HE GOT RIGHT OUT THERE IN THE THICK OF IT WITH HIS CONSTITUENTS THEN STARTED BAILING OUT WATER AND TRYING TO MAKE THAT THE ISSUE IN SO YOU ARE GOING TO SEE THIS ALL OVER THIS STATE, OF COURSE, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STATE THEY HAVE GOT IT AND WATER PROBLEMS AS WELL.

>> YEAH.

YEAH.

DID YOU TELL THEM TO TAKE A NUMBER TO GET IN LINE.

>> YEAH.

YEAH.

RICK, RICK, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE MONEY FOR THE POLICE THAT WE SAW WE HAD HEARING ON HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS WERE ON A 28-0 VOTE I WHICH IS RAIN OUR TOWN.

EVERYBODY SAID LET'S SPEND A QUARTER OF A MILLION TO GET MORE POLICE COMING INTO MICHIGAN AND THEN IS THIS MONEY GOING TO WORK.

>> WELL, IT WILL CERTAINLY BRING IN MORE LAW ENFORCEMENT OR ALLOW US TO HIRE AND TRAIN MORE LAW ENFORCEMENT.

BUT THAT IS ALSO GOING TO, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY GET INTO THE VERY HOT-BUTTON ISSUE OF WHAT POLICING OUGHT TO BE AND WHAT IT OUGHT TO LOOK LIKE.

THEN, THAT IS WHERE, I MEAN, IT IS ONE OF THE MOST FORMIDABLE DRAMATIC WEDGE ISSUES THAT WE VIN POLITICS RIGHT NOW.

HERE IN MICHIGAN AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY, BUT YOU KNOW, WE ARE SEEING IT PLAY OUT ON ALMOST DAILY BASIS AND ON SESSION DAYS IN LANCE.

>> GO AHEAD, NANCY.

OK. WHAT IS THE REALITY THERE IS A POLICING SHORTAGE.

THE DEPARTMENTS ARE STRUGGLING TO HIRE ENOUGH PEOPLE RIGHT NOW, SO POLICING HAS NOT BEEN THE MOST ATTRACTIVE PROFESSION FOR PEOPLE AND EVEN IF YOU GET A LOT MORE MONEY TO HIRE COPS THEN YOU STILL HAVE TO GRAPPLE WELL THE QUESTION OF HOW DO YOU GET PEOPLE TO WANT THESE JOBS AROUND THEN THE DEPARTMENTS ALL OVER THE PLACE ARE STRUGGLING TO HIRE AND THEY ARE STRUGGLING TO HIRE WOMEN AND PEOPLE OF COLOR AND THAT THERE IS SOME REAL, I HI, SORT OF SOUL CERTAINING THAT HAS TO HAPPEN THEN ALSO HAS TO BE SUSTAINABILITY IN THE TOP IN DETROIT IN THE 19 90'S, FEDERAL FUNDING THROUGH THE COP'S PROGRAM AND THEY ARE ABLE TO EXPAND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THAT WAS NOT SUSTAINABLE AND WHEN THE EARLY 2,000'S ROLLED AROUND, WE HAD LARGER POLICE DEPARTMENT THAN WE COULD AFFORD AND THEN, THERE WERE SOME, YOU KNOW, INEVITABLE BUDGET PROBLEMS.

IT SEEMS TO ME THE ELEPHANT ROOM AT THE HEARING THOUGH DAY WAS THE IDEA OF WHAT WE DO WE DO TO CORRECT THE BEHAVIOR OF POLICE OFFICERS WHO NEED CORRECTION OF THE BEHAVIOR ABOUT BUT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE TO BE CAREFUL HERE BECAUSE THEY ARE POISED TO RUN AGAINST THIS GOVERNOR AND OTHER DEMOCRATS AND THIS IDEA OF DEFUNDING THE POLICE, WHICH IS A NONSTART WE'RE THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

HOW DO THE DEMOCRATS FINESSE THE TWO ISSUES AND MAKE THEM BOTH WORK TOGETHER?

>> WELL, IT HAS BECOME ONE OF THE BUZZ POLITICAL WORDS, YOU NO, HE DO YOU DEPHYSICIAN THE POLICE OR JUST MAKE SURE THAT MORE MONEY GOES INTO TRAINING.

I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARGUING THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO DEFUND AND THEN YOU NEED TO REDIRECT THE FUNDS ARE GOING BECAUSE NANCY SAID, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, A LOT OF THIS MONEY YOU KNOW ON THE GOP HOUSE SIDE THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT MONEY FOR RETENTION AND RECRUITMENT.

WELL, THAT IS IMPORTANT.

ESPECIALLY DURING COVID.

IT HAS TAKEN THE TOLL ON ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT DEPS AND THEN, BUT ON THE OTHER END, AND WE ARE HEARING THESE DIFFERENT RALLIES WE SAW DURING THE BLACK LIVES MATTER MOVEMENT IS WHAT, THE PROBLEM IS, AND THAT THEY ARE NOT BEING TRAINED THE RIGHT WAY.

AND THEY ARE NOT BEING SENSITIVE TO THE CONSTITUENTS THAT E PULL OVER ON THE STREET AND THEY NEED BETTER TRAINING AND THAT YOU GOT TO MAKE THE MONEY GO INTO THAT AND IT HAS BECOME ONE OF THE WEDGE WORDS BUT I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE USED AGAINST THE DEMOCRATS A LOT WILL SAY WE ARE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT TOTALLY TAKING THE MONEY AWAY BUT WE WANT TO REDIRECT IT SO IT IS REALLY BEING USEFUL.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

RICK TURN THE PAGE TO TERN GENERAL WHOLE HAD BAD WEEK.

HOW COME?

>> BECAUSE SHE GOT DRUNK IN A FOOTBALL GAME.

AND I PANE, IT WAS NOT PRETTY.

THAT THERE IS AT LEAST ONE PICTURE OF HER YOU KNOW, NOT LOOKING VERY HAPPY IN THE STANDS AND SHE HAD TO BE, WELL, HAD TO BE YOU KNOW, EITHER OF OWN OR OTHERWISE TAKEN AWAY IN A WHEELCHAIR AND IT WAS CERTAIN LAY HUGE EMBARRASSMENT FOR HER.

>> AND END OF STORY, NANCY?

>> IT IS A TAILGATE, RIGHT.

I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO A TAILGATE.

I THINK ALL OF US HAVE BEEN IN THE POSITION OF MAYBE BEING MORE AFFECTED BY ALCOHOL THAN WE THOUGHT.

MAIN IT IS JUST ME, DON'T LEAVE ME OUT ON A LIMB.

WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK SHE CAME CLEAN AND LITERALLY GAVE EVERY GORY DETAIL AND I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE, I MEAN, I MEAN.

ABSENCE FROM SOME SORT OF PATTERN OR REPEAT BEHAVIOR.

DON'T KNOW WHERE DOES THE STORY GO FROM THERE AND HERE IS, IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF IT.

>> WELL, CHUCK.

WELL, GO AHEAD.

THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO TRY MAKE A FIELD DAY OUT THIS, RIGHT?

OF COURSE.

OF COURSE.

OF COURSE.

SORRY.

KNOW, I AM SORRY.

WILL IT BE USED AND SHOULD IT BE USED NEXT YEAR IN CAMPAIGN ADS?

I THINK THE ANSWER IS SIMPLY YES AND IT WILL BE EFFECTIVE?

WE DON'T KNOW.

A LOT OF BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.

WHY?

WHY?

BECAUSE SHE IS THE CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER FOR THIS STATE.

AND HAS TO BE HELD TO A HIGHER AND SHE HAS TO, SHE HAS TO BE HELD TOLL A HIGHER STANDARD.

SHE IS A ROLE MODEL AS WELL.

SO YOU GOT, YOU KNOW, SHE HAS TO WEAR THAT RESPONSIBILITY AND WHEN YOU GET ELECTED.

IT IS SHE HUMAN?

LIKE THE REST OF US.

YES.

YES.

DO PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES.

YES.

DOES SHE APOLOGIZE.

YES.

WILL THERE I BE ENOUGH?

WE DON'T KNOW.

THEN, COME ELECTION TIME.

PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO BALANCE THAT INCIDENT IF IT JUST TURNS OUT TO BE THIS ONE DENS THEN, THEN, NOT A PATTERN THAT SHE MAY BE HAS DRINKING PROBLEM OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE THAT GETS REVEALED THEN AGAINST HER FOUR YEARS IN OFFICE AND WHAT SHE HAS DONE AND PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT SHE NEEDS TO BE RE ELECTED OR THIS BECOMES A LITTLE BLIP AND NOT A MAJOR ISSUE.

>> RICK, ALSO PART OF THE STORY THAT IS COOL DESPERATELY USE THE HELP OF A WOMAN ONE OF THE ASSIST ANDS WHO PASSED THIS WEEK, KELLY ROSSMAN DIED OF CANCER AFTER COURAGEOUS FIGHT.

YOU KNOW, I THINK, SHE GAVE NEW DEFINITION THE TERM BUBBLY.

I MEAN, SHE WAS -- SHE WAS ON AND GOOD ALL THE TIME.

RICK?

UM, YEAH.

I MEAN, I AM ONE OF THE MANY PEOPLE WHO COUNTED HER AS A FRIEND AND GOOD FRIEND AND, AND THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE HURT.

YOU KIND OF I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT MAYBE IS WORTH MENTIONING IS THAT SHE PLAYED SO MANY ROLLSES SO ELEGANTLY OBVIOUSLY, SHE WAS A PUBLIC RELAGSES ADVISER WITH CLIENTS THAT SHE SERVED, THAT SHE WAS TAPPED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO BE, YOU KNOW, HER WISE MIND IN LANSING AND WAS WIDELY APPLAUDED.

SHE WAS FRIEND ADVISER, CONFIDENT, COUNCILOR, AND TO MANY, MANY, MANY PEOPLE AND REALLY ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE MOST TRUSTED PEOPLE IN THIS.

>> WELL, WELL, I AM A LITTLE BIAS.

WELL, MANSE IT IS INCREDIBLE SORRY AND STARTED OUT IN THE LEGISLATIVE ACON NA AS SECRETARY TO THE STATE LAWMAKERS WHICH IS A DECENT JOB BUT TO GO FROM THAT TO WHAT SHE DID WAS QUITE AN ACCOMPLISHMENT AND BROKE A LOT OF GLASS ON THE WAY UP THROUGH THE CEILING.

>> YEAH.

YOU KNOW, I READ ON INTERVIEW THAT SHE, THIS IS SOMETHING I WISHED I HAD TALKED TO HER ABOUT WHILE SHE WAS STILL HERE.

YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS RIGHT.

THAT SHE SAID WHEN SHE GOT THAT JOB SHE NEVER THOUGHT OF IT.

SHE NEVER SAW IT AS SMALL JOB AND KNEW SHE COULD, KNOW, SHE COULD BE MORE.

THEN, I THINK, THAT IS WHAT WAS REALLY SPECIAL AND I THINK I WAS NOT OPPOSED TO OTHERS AND LIVE IN DETROIT AND LANSING THAT KIND OF A THING.

THINK THEY ALSO CANNOT BE UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT SHE WAS FOR YOUNGER WOMEN AND MAIN, THERE ARE A LOT OF OLDER WOMEN WHO PUT UP AWITH A LOT OF STUFF AND MADE LIFE THAT MUCH EASIER FOR THOSE WITH CAME AFTER THEM AND THEN SO MANY LIKE KELLY NOT ONLY DO THEY SMOOTH THE PATH FOR US BUT HAD A HAND AND HELP BACK TO COME ALONG.

AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST THE WAY SHE WAS CONFIDENT, STRONG, TOUGH, FEARLESS, COULD BE RUTHLESS AND REQUIRED BUT IN A GRAB SHE IS ANCY WAY AND, THEN, I MEAN, ANY, EVERY WOMAN WHO, WHO DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT EXPANDS THE UNIVERSE OF POSSIBILITIES FOR HOW WE CAN BE.

THEN WE STILL NEED THAT.

WE STILL HAVE TO EXPAND OUR UNIVERSE LIKE THAT AND SO GRATEFUL FOR HER AND I DON'T THINK ENOUGH CAN BE SAID ABOUT WHAT SHE MEANT TO WOMEN.

>> CHUCK, QUICKLY.

U OH, AND WE CANNOT OVER EMPHASIZE THE FACT SHE WAS A STRONG DEM DRAT AND SHE WAS UNAPOLOGETIC BUT THAT BUT ALSO DID A LOT IN TERMS OF FORWARDING BIPARTISANSHIP THERE IN LANSING, YOU KNOW, SHE STARTED THE FIRMING WITH JOHN WHO IS REB CONDITION AND FROM THE ADMINISTRATION AND AND SHE WAS RESPECTED ON BOTH SIDES OF POLITICAL AISLE AND SHE UNDERSTOOD HOW TO FIGHT BUT ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU COULD AGREE TO DISAGREE AND WITNESS THE, YOU OH, THE TRIBUTE SHE GOT ON THE SENATE FLOOR OF THE OTHER DAY.

THEN, ALSO, THEN, THE FACT THAT WHILE SHE WAS CONE SUEMENT PUBLIC RELATIONS PROFESSIONAL AND ALSO RESPECTED AND TUNDER STOOD THE ROLE OF THE MEDIA.

AND ANYBODY WHO DEALT WITH HER.

REALIZED SHE WAS, IF SHE TOLD YOU SOMETHING SHE COULD TELL YOU, HONESTLY, WHAT SHE COULD TELL, WHAT SHE COULDN'T DO, IN THE, THAT WAS NOT THIS CAT UNANIMOUS TYPE OF STUFF, THAT YOU SOMETIMES GET FROM FROM THE FOLK ON THE PR SIDE AND SHE WAS JUST, SHE WAS FUN.

SHE WAS WITTY.

SHE WAS HONEST.

THEN SHE WAS ALL THE THINGS YOU KNOW, AND SHE IS GOING TO BE MISSED.

UNFORTUNATELY.

SHE IS GOING.

OUR CONDOLENCES TO THE HUSBAND, KID, KEVIN AND EVERYONE ELSE.

ALL RIGHT.

CALL IN OUR GUESTS TODAY, WENDY BLOCK.

GOOD MORNING.

HOW ARE YOUING?

>> GOOD MORNING.

THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> LISTEN.

GREAT TO YOU HAVE ONBOARD.

SO, LISTEN, IF MR.ED BY WINS THIS FIGHT, AND THE MANDATORY VACCINES PLACED ON YOUR BUSINESSES, WILL THE EARTH STOP MOVING?

>> WELL, IT MAY NOT STOP MOVING BUT CERTAINLY GOING TO CAUSE MAJOR EARTHQUAKES AND DESCRIPTIONS.

1:00 LOOK, OUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS SHORE YOU AND OUR OPPOSITION TO THIS MANDATE IS ABOUT BEING ANTIMANDATE NOT ANTI-VACCINE.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING FROM THE BEGINNING TO HELP GET INFORMATION IN THE HANDS OF OUR MEMBER FIRMS ABOUT HOW THEY CAN WORK TO EDUCATE ABOUT THE BEEN FITS OF THE VACCINE, WHERE THEY CAN GET VACCINES AND JUST, HOW THE VACCINES ARE SUCH A KEY INGREDIENTS TO OUR STATE'S ECONOMIC RECOVERY AND THEN THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION I THINK HAS GOOD INTENTIONS HERE.

BUT WE ARE VERY MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE.

THE UNTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF MAKING PLOM HE YOS THE VACCINE POLICE, THE MASK POLICE, THE TESTING POLICE AND JUST THE FACT THAT THIS, THIS IS KIND OF A BIFURCATED SYSTEM THAT ONLY IMPACTS BUSINESSES WITH OVER 100 EMPLOYEES THEN IN THIS JOB MARKET, EMPLOYEES, IT IS A WORK EAR HE MARKET.

THEY CAN FIND A NEW JOB TOMORROW IF THEY IN WAD AND JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE FLEE OF THOSE VACCINE RESISTANT AND VACCINE HESS TAN EMPLOYEES FROM ONE EMPLOYER TO ANOTHER AND BECAUSE OF THIS MANDATE.

>> NANCY?

>> WELL, SO WHAT WOULD BE A BETTER STRATEGY?

>> WELL, YEAH.

SO YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WORKED, WORKED WITH THE COALITION CALLED THE LISTEN TO MY BUSINESS COALITION.

WE HAVE BEEN DOING SO SINCE MID-OCTOBER AND TO VOICE OUR CONCERNS WITH THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION ABOUT THIS MANDATE AND THEN, SOME OF IT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE THEY DID, THEY ISSUED THIS MANDATE WHICH IS CALLED AM EMERGENCY TEMPORARY STANDARD OR RULE OUTSIDE OF THE FORMAL RULE MAKING PROS DEGREES SO THEY DID NOT TAKE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO BEGIN AND I THINK THAT SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WE ARE SEEING IS JUST HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THEY DID THIS IN A VACUUM AND BUT, WE DO PLAN TO SUBMIT COMMENTS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME THINGS HERE THAT JUST I DON'T KNOW CAN BE OVERCOME AND BUT THERE ARE WAYS THAT THE BIDENED A LYNN STRATION AND WE BELIEVE COULD MAKE BETTER FIRST, WE BELIEVE BE THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COULD HELP EASE THE LOGISTICALLING INTO MERE ASSOCIATED WITH TESTING AND BY PAYING FOR CO TEST DURING THE TIME THAM THE VACCINE AND TESTING RULE IS IN PLACE.

RIGHT?

WE ARE HAGUEING ABOUT TESTS REALLY NOT BOEING AVAILABLE AND CONCERNS ABOUT CAPACITY AND OUR TESTING FACILITIES AND THEN, SECOND, THEN WE WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY NEED TO THINK THROUGH WHETHER EMPLOYEE CAN TAKE AN AT HOME TESTS SO WHAT THE RULE DOES IS BASICALLY IF YOU ARE ARE NOT GOING TO GET VACCINATED THEN JUST GOING TO SUBMIT TO WEEKLY TESTING YOU HAVE TO EARTH GO TO A TESTING FACILITY TO GIT DONE SO GO SIT IN A LONG LINE, MAKE ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON, THEN WAITING TO GET YOUR SWAB.

OR THE EM KNOW YEAR CAN DO THE TESTING HEM SELFS.

WE SEE NO GOOD REASON THAT EMPLOYEES SHOWN BE ABLE TO TAKE THESE TESTS AT HOME AND THE COMFORT OF THEIR HOME.

AND BE ABLE TO REPRESEN THOSE RESULTS TO PLOM YEAR AS PROOF POSITIVE THEY HAVE TEST NEGATIVE.

>> FOLLOW-UP, NANCY?

UM, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ACCURACY?

I KNOW THERE ARE THINGS ABOUT THAT?

>> YEAH.

WELL, THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATIONS HAVE SAID THEY ARE WORKING TO GET MORE AT HOME TESTS AVAILABLE AND IN THE HANDS OF U.S. CITIZENS, 1:00 THEY SEEM TO BE SAYING ONE THING AND THEN, KIND OF THEIR ACTIONS SEEM TO SAY THE OTHER.

CERTAINLY I THINK THERE IS A LOT WORK BEING DONE IN THE AREA TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE AT HOMESITES AND RAPID TESTS ARE AC CRIT AND BUT OF COURSE THERE IS THE MASKING REQUIREMENT AS WELL.

SO THERE IS KIND OF TWO PRONGED PROTECTIONS UNDER THE ETS AND FOR PEOPLE, SO YES, YOU HAVE TO GET WEEKLY TESTED BUT REGUARDst OF WHETHER THAT TEST COMES BACK NEG OF YOU STILL HAVE TO BE WEARING A MASKS AT UL TIMES THEN WORKPLACE REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOUR WORKING SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH SOMEONE OR YOU ARE IN AN OFFICE WITH FOUR DOORS AND A WINDOW.

>> MR. STOKES?

>> WELL, LET ME CHANGE THE TOPIC JUST A LITTLE BIT.

WE SEE AN INFLUX OF MB NY COMING IN FOR GOVERNMENT AND WE WILL PROBABLY NEVER SEE THE LIKES OF THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY COMING IN ANY TIME SOON.

WELL, ARE YOU USED TO WORKING WITH THE LEGISLATURE AS THEY DEBITE EXACTLY WHAT TO DO WITH THIS MACHINE?

I WHAT ADVICE AS THE BUSINESS PERSON REPRESENTING THE MUS NES COMMUNITY WOULD YOU GIVE THEM?

>> YEAH.

SO FIRST WE ARE SAYING TAKE DEEP BREATH.

DON'T GET AHEAD OF YOURSELVES THEN GET EAGER TO SPEND THIS MONEY AND PUSH IT OUT THE DOOR AND THEN, AT ONE TIME AND THEN SMEADLY, RIGHT.

THEN, WE HAVE BEEN IN AGREEMENT WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT GROUPS IN LANSINGING THAT A LOT OF THAT MONEY SHOULD BE SPENT ON KEY IN STRA K TURE PROJECTS AND NOT THOSE THINGS THAT OVERWRAP THE $10 BILLION WE ARE GETTING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.

WE THINK THERE IS SOME OPPORTUNITIES HERE TO SPEND SOME OF THOSE DOLLARS AND THEN, THEN ON ATTRACTING THE JOBS OF THE FUTURE THROUGH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND INCENTIVES AND SITE DEVELOPMENT AND THERE IS A LOT OF WAYS THAT THIS MONEY CAN BE SPEND OF COURSE THERE IS A LOT OF STRINGS AS WELL.

THEN, ONE BIG THING WE HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR IS DEPOSIT TO MICHIGAN'S UNEMPLOYMENT TRUER INTERESTS FUN THAT FUN IS 100% EMPLOYER FINANCE THEN TERTING ON THE EDGE OF BANKRUPTCY THAT IS A FUN THAT PAYS BENEFITS TOCALLY MATES PART OF THE PROBLEM HERE IS WE STARTED THE RECESSION OR WE STARTED THE PANDEMIC AND HELP, WITHBILLION IN THAT FUND AND THEN, DUE TO THE STAY AT HOME ORDERS, THEN, THAT FUND IS NOW ALMOST BANKRUPT AND PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE UNEMPLOYMENT AGENCY, WAIT FOR IT.

THEY SHUT OFF THEIR FRAUD SOFT WHICH ARE AT THE HEIGHT OF THE PANDEMIC.

SOMEONE PAID OUT OVER $1 BILLION IN FRAUD LENT BENEFIT FOR TIME ANOTHER STATE TO MAKE RIGHT BY MICHIGAN MOMENTIERS TO TRY TO HELP MAKE THAT TRUST FUN WHOLE AT LEAST FOR THE FRAUDULENT BENEFITS THAT WERE PAID OUT.

>> WELL, YEAH.

I AM SORRY.

GO AHEAD.

GL AHEAD.

WELL.

I WAS LISTENING QUICKLY WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN COMES TO DETROIT AND THE INDUSTRY.

WHAT DO YOU WANT HIM TO SNA.

>> WELL, I THINK, I THINK WHICH WANT THEM TO SAY THEY ARE LISTENING TO EMPLOYERS ON THIS EMERGENCY TEMPORARY STANDARD AND THAT THEY RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT ISSUES AND UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND HERE AND THAT THEY ARE WANTING TO FIX THESE THINGS.

SO FAR, THEY SEEM TO KIND OF MUST BE IGNORED THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BAY THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY BUT I THINK WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO HEAR PLAN FOR HOW WE ARE GOING TO GET WORKERS BACK TO WORK.

SO YOU KNOW, IN MICHIGAN, WE STILL HAVE 220,000 PEOPLE ON UNPLOM IMENT AND FAR MORE PEOPLE SITTING ON THE SIDELINES THAT NOT REATTACHED TO THE WORK FORCE AND THINS THE PANDEMIC ONLY 74% OF PEOPLE WHO LEFT THEIR JOBS DURING THE PANDEMIC ARE NOW REATTACHED TO THE WORK FORCE AND 225,000 JOBS AVAILABLE THERE IS NEVER BEEN A BETTER JOB OR TIME TO FIND A JOB UNMICHIGAN AND THEY ARE DOING THEIR HEART AND THEY ARE HEARING ABOUT FAST-FOOD PAYING $1 $17 AN HOUR.

MANUFACTURING IS OFFERING $22 PLUS AN HOUR AND STILL CANNOT FIND PEOPLE TO INTERVIEW LET ALONE ACCEPT THE JOB AND SHOW UP FOR THE FIRST DY AND KEEP SHOWING.

THERE NEEDS TO BE A PLAN IN PLACE TO REALLY TACKLE THIS ISSUE THIS IS GRATEST ECONOMIC ISSUES OF OUR TIME.

>> WELL, WINDY, I GE, ON THE VACCINE HESITANCY IS AN ISSUE SOMETHING THAT EMPLOYERS TO HAVE TO GRAPE WELL TO LURE PEOPLE BACK TO THE WORK FORCE BUT SO IS CONFIDENCE AMONG BORKER HAS TO THAT THEY WILL BE SAFE IF THEY GO BACK TO THE JOB OR TAKE A JOB.

HOW HOW DO YOU THREATED THAT NEEDLE SO THAT YOU KNOW, BOTH ASPECTS AND THE WORK FORCE IS NOT A MODEL.

IF IT IS MADE UP OF MILLIONS OF COMPONENTS YOU KNOW, NOTICE PEOPLE.

HOW DO YOU BALANCE ALL OF THOSE NEEDS IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, GET WORKERS REENGAGED.

>> YES.

SO, MAKING SURE THAT THE WORKPLACE HAS BEEN A PRIORITY ANOTHER MICHIGAN BUSINESS COMMUNITY SINCE BEGUN OF THIS PANDEMIC EVEN AFTER THE TIME WHEN ONLY ESSENTIAL WORKERS COULD GO TO THE WORK FORCE.

THEN, AT THIS POINT, WORKPLACE OUTBREAKS ARE NOT THE SIGNIFICANT SOURCE OF SPREADING.

FRANKLY, THEY NEVER REALLY WHEN YOU WERE FOLLOWING THE MYOSHA DATA ON THIS.

THERE WERE VERY FEW WORKPLACES THAT WERE SEEN SIGNIFICANT SPREAD AND SEEING COMMUNITY SPREAD AND THE BIGGEST SOURCE OF SPREAD SEEMS TO BE IN OUR SCHOOLS.

AND SO EMPLOYERS HAVE WORKED THROUGH THESE.

THEY WORKED THROUGH THE ISSUES GOING BACK TO MARCH OF 2020 AND ARE COMMITTED TO MAKING THE WORKPLACES SAFE AND PUTTING THOSE SAFETY PROTOCOLS IN PLACING AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK, A LOT OF THE EMPLOYERS ARE DOING EDUCATION WHEN LOOKING TO HIRE NEW PLOM YESES ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO CREATE THOSE PROTECTIONS SO PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE AND, AND, ARE CREATING MECHANISMS FOR PEOPLE TO REPORT THINGS THAT MAKE THEM UNCOMFORTABLE TO MAKE THEM HESS TOON SHOW UP TO WORK.

SO, SO I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY THERE IS A LOT OF WORK BEING DONE IN THE AREA AND BEING DONE WITHOUT A MANDATE.

FOLLOW-UP SHALL RICK.

QUICK ZY.

>> WELL, SURE.

SURE.

WELL, SHOULD MIOSHA BE GIVEN MORE AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE THOSE SORTS OF STANDARDS IN ORDER TO INSPIRE CONFIDENCE AND WORKPLACE SAFETY?

>> THEY HAVE A TON OF THEMES TOOLBOX.

HE WE HAVE SEEN THAT SINCE BEGAN OF THE PANDEMIC CERTAINLY THEY HAD THE EMERGENCY RULES IN PLACE FOR A NUMBER OF TIMES BUT SOMETHING THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENSURE THERE IS A SAFE AND HAZARD FREE WORKPLACE AND THEY CAN SITE EMPLOYERS AT ANY TIME FOR FAILURE TO DO THAT AND THEY HAVE EVEN ACKNOWLEDGED THAT LOOK WE HAVE THE TOOLS WE NEED FOR HIM YEARS THAT ARE THUMBING THEIR NOSE AT COVID OR THE RULES.

AND YOU ARE CONTINUING JUST TO DO THOSE INSPECTIONS.

>> MISS BLOCK THANK YOU.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR COME MEN ON THIS AND GIVE OUR BEST TO THE FORMER BOSS SOON TO BE ON THE RETIREMENT AFTER FOUR YEAR IN THE CHAMBER TREASURE THAT IS GOING TO DEAL.

GIVE HIM OUR BEST WHERE OK.

YES, THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

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