>> THE LATEST REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR KEVIN RINKE IS HERE TO WEEK.

OUR LEAD STORY, THE STATE SPENDS $3.9 MILLION.

IT WAS MISTAKE.

OOPS.

CHAD LIVENGOOD, CHEYNA ROTH, KYLE MELIMN ARE HERE.

>> A FLON MAKE MY MAY TOP TEN STATE IN THE NATION FOR JOB, PERSONAL INCOME AND HEALTH THINK CHY.

LEARN MORE AT MICHIGAN EROAD TO TOP TEN.COM.

AND NOW, THIS EDITION OF OFF THE RECORD WITH TIM SKUBICK.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WELCOME TO THE HOLIDAY EDITION OF OFF THE RECORD WE ARE RECORDING ON TUESDAY OF THIS WEEK BECAUSE OF TG ON THURSDAY SO WE HOPE EVERYBODY HAD WHAT YOU WAN THEN FEELING GOOD THEN THAT AND SAUCISSES WE SAY.

LET'S WELCOME THE FAT AND SASSY PANEL.

WE HAVE CHAD AND KYLE.

WAS THAT OFFENSIVE.

THAT WAS A BAD WAY TO START AFTER THANKSGIVING.

NICE TO YOU HAVE ONBOARD.

I LIKE IT.

I AM INTO.

>> LATER ON WE HAVE KEVIN RINKE THE LATEST CANDIDATE OF 3,000 RUNNING FOR THE GOVERNOR'S POST FROM THREE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

LET'S START WITH YOU.

WE FAN OUT FROM THE AUDITOR GENERAL THAT WEEK.

WAYS DOING WHAT HE GETS PAID TO DO HE FOUNDED $3.89 MISQUE WHERE THEY ACTUALLY SENT OUT $3.9 MILLION TOLL THE PEOPLE WHO DID NOT DESERVE IT.

HOW COME.

WELL BALLINGS I THINK THEY WERE A LITTLE OVERWHELMED AND WITH WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND TRYING TO GET OUT AS MANY AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE THEN, THEN, PRETTY MUCH LEFT THE SECURITY OF WHERE THAT MONEY WAS GOING TO ON THE BACK BURNER AND LET'S GO BACK IN TIME HERE.

GOING BACK TO 2020 WHEN THE GOVERNOR PUT DOWN HER COVID SHUTDOWN ORDERS THEN FOLKS WERE GOING IN UNEMPLOYMENT THEN HAVING TROUBLE GETTING THEIR BEEN IF IT SO THE FOLKS AT UIA OPEN UP THE FLOODGATES AND SAY WE NEED TO GET THIS MONEY OUT BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING THE BENEFITS THEN IN THE COURSE OF THIS AND CAME OVER THE UIA AND THE NUMBER ONE GOAL TO GET BENEFITS OFF THE WITHIN DID HE THEN WHAT HAPPENED AS A RESULT OF SECURITY REALLY TOOK A BACK BURNER THEN THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED AND IN THIS CASE.

WE HAD $29 BILLION IN FEDERAL MONEY AND THAT CAME IN TO HELP PEOPLE WHO WERE UNEMPLOYED DUE TO NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN BECAUSE OF COVID SHUTDOWNS THEN 3.9 BILLION OF IT WHICH IS ABOUT 13% OF THE FEDERAL MONEY WENT TO PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T DEA SERVE IT.

THEN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 347 PEOPLE AND GOT ABOUT 11AN AVERAGE OF 1,000-DOLLARS THAT THEY DID NOT ACTUALLY DESERVE.

THEN, BUT SINCE IT WAS THE STATE'S MISTAKE THEY COULD NOT NECESSARILY GO BACK TO COLLECT IT EVEN THOUGH THEY TRIED THEN AS A RESULT UIA OR THE AUDITOR GENERAL FLAGGED UNEMPLOYMENT AGENCY FOR JUST LEAVING THE BARN DAR OPEN.

>> SPEAK OF MAKING MISS TALKS.

I SAID 3.9 MILLION.

S WITH BW A BOY.

WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THIS?

WELL, BASICALLY, THEY HAVE SAID THAT WASHINGTON SORT OF SAID THE SIGNAL AND YOU KNOW, DON'T WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT THE FRAUD JUST GET THE-NY OUT.

WERE THEY TAKING GID FRANCE DID L D.C.?

>> WELLY ANO.

THE FEDS WARN MICHIGAN AND IN MAY OF 2020 THAT THE CRY YEAR TO THAT THE STATE WAS USING COULD POTENTIALLY BE PROBLEMATIC AND I DON'T THINK THEY REALIZED AT THE TIME IT COULD LEAD TO THIS MANY PEP AND THIS MUCH MONEY GOING OUT THAT WAS NOT GOING TO PEOPLE THAT DESERVED IT BUT I THINK, KYLE HIT THE NIL ON THE HEAD WHEN HE SAID AT THE TIME, THAT THIS WAS STARTED AND THAT THE OFFICE WAS COMPLETELY OVERWHELMED AND THEN THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS WE GOT TO GET THIS MONEY TO PEOPLE THAT NEED IT.

IF ALONG THE WAY, THEN, A FEW PEOPLE GET MACHINE NAY MAY BE DON'T DESERVE IT THEN I GUESS FOR THEM IT WAS WORTH IT TO GET THE PEOPLE WHO NEEDED THE MONEY NOW AND THEIR MONEY NOW.

THEN, BUT NOW, WE ARE SEEING EXACTLY HOW MUCH THAT MENTALITY HAS COSTS THEN THE REPUBLICANS WERE FALLING ALL OVER THEMSELVES FOR RUSHING OUT TON TAKE SHOT AT THE ADMINISTRATION FOR WASTING THIS MONEY WHAT WERE THEY SAYING?

WELL, THE BIG CONCERN FOR THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY THAT MICHIGAN STARTED THIS RESCISSION THIS PANDEMIC RECESSION WITH ONE OF THE LARGEST SURPLUSES IN THE TRUST FUN IN THE NATION.

THEN WE STARTED THE GREAT RECESSION WITH LIKE $39 MILLION WE STARTED MARCH OF 2020 WITH 4.6 BILLION IN THE STATE TRUST FUND THAN MONEY IS THE FEDERAL ASSISTANCE BUT WHEN IT ALL KIND OF GOT MIXED TOGETHER IN PEOPLE WHO WERE DRAWING THE STATE END PLOYMENT AND FEDERAL ASSISTANCE TO THE EXTRA $600 A WEEK BENEFITS THAT PEOPLE LIKE STAYED AT HEM AND DIDN'T WORK LAST SPRING AND SUMMER AND THEN IT WAS SORT OF IN CENT FYKED PEOPLE TO HUGER DOWN TO NOT SPREAD THE VIRUS AROUND.

YEAH.

THEN, I MEAN.

THERE IS SR. MILLION PEOPLE.

$1 MILLION APPLIED FOR UNEMPLOYMENT IN A SPAN OF TWO WEEKS IN THE END OF MARCH LAST YEAR AND UNPRESS DEN THEN ALL THE ENTIRE PEOPLE WHO GOT LID OFF IN THE ENTIRE GREAT RECESSION IN LIKE IN A MATTER OF A MONTH.

THEN, EVENTUALLY, THEN, SO THIS AGENCY WAS SUM PLY NOT EQUIPPED TO HANDLE THIS KIND OF VOLUME AND THEN OF PEOPLE SEEKING AID AND THE SAME TIME.

THEN, THEN, WE HAVE A BIG HUGE SURPLUS IN THE STATE GOVERNMENT AND IT IS BECAUSE OF THIS, THAT INFLUX OF FEDERAL AID THAT WAS PUMPED IN THE INTO THE ECONOMY AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PENDING AND THAT IS WHY SALES TAX THROUGH THE ROOF AND WE HAVE A RECORD K12 SCHOOL AID BUD PETH SO THEY ARE GOING TO YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY GOING TO HAVE TO SOME OVERSIGHT AND AND TO USING THE TERM THIS A LITTLE BIT.

BUT, BUT, YOU KNOW AT IN THE OF THE DAY THEY ARE ALSO ROLLING IN THE PRF I HAVE HERE THEN, THEN THEY ARE THE THEY ARE YOU KNOW, THEY ARE BENEFITING FROM THIS MASSIVE YOU KNOW, KIND OF, YOU KNOW UNLIMITED SPEND AND OF THE FEDERAL TREASURY.

WELL, I AM SURE THAT THE FOLKS AT HOME ARE THINKING TO THEMSELVES OK.

THEY MISSED THE MARK FOR $3.9 BILLION AND WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO GET THE MONEY BACK WELL, I DON'T KNOW THEY ARE GETTING THE MONEY BACK HONst.

THAT IS NEGOTIATING NOW BETWEEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE STATE GOVERNMENT AND THEN, THEN TO WHAT EXTENT THE FREDS WANT TO TRAY TO EX TRACK THIS MONEY BACK AND THEN A STATE GOVERNMENT ISSUE THEN SO AS FAR AS THE STATE IS CONCERNED THEY CANNOT NECESSARILY GO TO THE PEOPLE WHO PAY THE STATE UNAM PLOY AM BENEFITS WHICH ARE BUSINESS OWNERS AND THEN SAY HEY YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO KIND OF RAISE YOUR UNEM PLOYMENT HERE TO FIX OUR PROBLEM THEY CAN NOT DO THAT.

THEN, SO THIS IS HE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, TO WHAT EX TRENT THE PENALTIES GOING TO BE.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PENALTIES ARE GOING TO BE.

IT IS HARD TO IMAGINE THEY ARE GOING TO EX TRACK THE $3.9 BILLION BACK IN THE ENTIRE MOP AMOUNT WE DON'T KNOW YET.

MAYBE THEY CAN.

>> MAYBE GO AHEAD.

WELL.

36,000 PEOPLE YOU THINK THAT WHITMORE ADMINISTRATION AND THE LEGISLATURE WANT TO GO YOU KNOW, KNOCK ON $350,000 DOOR AND MONEY.

I AM CERTAIN THAT THE GOVERNOR HAS NOT WANT TO AND I CANNOT I HAN PHYSICIAN THE LG ARE LEGISLATURE REALLY WANTS TO PASS A BILL SAYING THE OF IN HAS TO DO THAT.

SO THAT IS ADO IN ATTACKS OF SORTS THEN IT WOULD JUST, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE THAT US HOW IT WOULD BE PLAYED IN THE PRIMARY NEXT AUGUST AT SOME OF THE LEGISLATURES HAVE TO FACE SOME SOME NEW OPPONENTS THEN A NEW DISTRICT.

CALL ME CRAZY.

COULDN'T THEY SEND A LETTER TO THE PEOPLE SAYING WE MADE A MISTAKE IT WOULD BE VERY NICE OF YOU IF YOU SENT PART OF THIS DONATION BACK TO THE STATE OF HI MY OR IS THAT JUST YOU ARE LAUGHING.

OK. DON'T WASTE IT.

ARE ARE THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ME.

NO.

I MEAN.

KNOW.

THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO APPLY NOR MONEY AND AND IF THEY APPLIED AND IN GOOD FAITH AND THOUGHT THEY NEEDED AND THEY WERE ELIGIBLE AND THEN YOU ARE ASKING FOR ME MONEY PACK BACK THAT IS HOT GOING TO WORK IT.

THEN IN AH ATTEMPT TO YOU KNOW, USE THE SYSTEM AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO PAY IT BACK.

I MEAN, THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO END UP HAVING TO BE A, AS FAR AS GETTING THE MONEY FROM PEOPLE IN.

ALL RIGHT.

TURN THE PAGE.

GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

>> OK.

THE ADMINISTRATION WENT AFTER 50 SOME THOUSAND PEOPLE FOR SO-CALLED FALSE UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS AND THEN, THEN, ENDED UP BEING REFERS ARE VERSED BY THINK STATE.

THEY WERE TRYING TO GET THIS MONEY BACK FROM PEOPLE.

THAT WAS A HUGE ENOUGH SCANDAL AS IT IS.

MAG NI BY SEVEN TIMES INT THINK THAT IS ANYTHING ANYONE IN LANSING REALLY WANTS TO SWALLOW.

ALL RIGHT.

KYLE, FIRST, 11 NOW THERE ARE 12 REPUBLICANS RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR THE ENTRANCE OF MR. ARE IN COMMITTEE TO THE CONTEST DOES THIS CHANGE THE ENTRANCE THE DYNAMICS OF THE TRACE THE GET GO?

>> YEAH.

THINK IT DOES.

BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE SOMEBODY IN THE RACE WHO HAS ACTUALLY GOT MONEY IN HND AND CAN SPEND IT ON TELEVISION THEN CAN ACTUALLY BEGIN A CAMPAIGN.

THEN, WE HAVE GOT FOLKS NOW WITH ARE IN THE RACE AND I WOULD SAY WE GOT THREE OTHER SERIOUS ATTORNEYS RIGHT NOW WHO HAVE ACCESS TO RESOURCES FOR ACCESS TO A SUPER PACK.

THAT IS GOING TO SPEND MONEY ON THEIR BEHALF THEN THESE FOLKSING ROW BEHIND THE SCENES TRYING TO RAISE SUPPORT ANG TRYING TO GET MONEY AND NOT REALLY PUBLIC FACING NOW THEN ASK HOW LONG HE PLANS ON PENDING HIS OWN MONEY ON TV BUT THEN IF HE WILTON DO THIS FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME, THAT MAY PUSH UP THE TIMELINE AND TO BE MORE AND TO MAYBE GO OUT TO DID EVENTS WHICH NO ONE IS ACTUALLY DOING NOW AND PENDING MORE MONEY ON TELEVISION THEN GARRETT SOLDANO IS PUTTING A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY ON TV BUT NOT A LOT.

THEN OUTSIDE JAMES CRAIGS ON FOX NEW THEN DICKSON GOING AROUND AND DOING NATIONAL CONSERVATIVE RADIO AND TELEVISION THERE ARE NOT A LOT.

WELL, INITIAL COMMERCIAL WHICH HE SAYS TO THE TUNE OF 266 AND LOOSE CHANGE ON CABLE AND COMMERCIAL TV DREW ATTENTION AND THE OF NOR HAS BEEN CALLED A LOT OF THING EVER THE 15 YEAR CAREER AND HO ONE CALLED HER.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ GRETCHEN WHITMER STRAIGHT UP AND CAREER POLITICIANS THEN SHE IS UGO.

WHIT MARE LOCKED DONE THE JOBS , KID, CHURCHES WHILE SHE SNUCK OUT OF STATE ON A PRIVATE JET WHITMER IS NOT A GOVERNOR.

>> CHAD, DY A MORNING HIT IN THE TV STATION DOWN IN DETROIT ON THE FEMALE ANCHOR ASKED ME THIS QUESTION AFTER SHE SAW THAT AD AND SAID TO YOU THINK THAT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO WOMEN INCH THEN OF COURSE I SAID I AM NOT RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR.

WHAT IS YOUR ANY?

>> WELL, TIM I AM GOING TO ALSO PUNT BUT I WILL FACT CHECK A LITTLE BIT AND THEN IN THAT IT IS SORT OF THE MONTAGE OF IT AND SHE LOCKED US DOESN'T AND THEN FLEW TO FLOOR DID AND SHOULD BE CLEAR WAS NO LOCKDOWN AT THE TIME OF THE GOVERNOR IN HER SECRET FLIGHT TO FLORIDA TO GO SEE THE AILING FATHER AND IN FLORIDA AND ON A PRIVATE JET WITH SOME BUSINESS OWNERS OWNED BY BUSINESS OWNERS IN METRO DETROIT BUT IT WAS THE APORANCE OF THE GOVERNOR LEAVING THE STATE JUST AS THE SPRING SURGE WAS UPON US AND THEN, IN COVID CASES BUT YEAH.

THERE IS, THIS IS THE POF IN'S RECORD.

MAIN.

OBS LIT WAS NOT WHEN SHE STARTED OUT JANUARY FIRST 2020 THIS IS NOT HOW SHE AND HER AID VAASORS ENVISIONED HER PATHWAY TO TRYING TO RUN FOR RE-ELECTION.

AND BUT YEAH.

SHE GOT THROWN OUT OF A GLOBAL PANDEMIC THEN MADE A LOT OF DECISION THEN A LOT OF THOSE WILL BE SECOND GUESSED FOR YEARS AND DECADES TO COME THEN CERTAINLY MAJOR PART OF THIS CAMPAIGN AS PEOPLE ACCESS WHETHER THIS WAS THE RIGHT MOVE AND WE ALSO CAN ACCESS IT RIGHT NO I IN REAL-TIME, TIM.

HOW RECORD NUMBER OF CASING NOW IN THE SEVEN DAY AVERAGE FOR COVID-19 AND AND WE HAVE GOT YOU KNOW HONTS AT CAPACITY ALL OVER THE LOWER PENINSULA AND THEN SO, THEN YOU KNOW, THERE IS GOING TO BE SERIOUS DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER THE GOVERNOR'S AND THE WHITMER DOCTRINE WAS THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO GO ABOUT HANDLING THIS PAN DEM ING AND WE ARE GOING TO PROBABLY CONTINUE TO SEE IT PLAY OUT IN REAL-TIME AND THE SURGE OF THIS VIRUS IF NONE OF THE VARRIBLES CHANGED IN TERMS OF THE VACCINE.

THEN TO CLARIFY THE REASON REPORTERS PUNT ON QUESTIONS LIKE THAT IS NOT OUR JOB TO BE A FOCUS GROUP AND REAC TO ANSWER QUESTION LIKE THAT AND WHAT DO YOU THINK THE ENTRANCE THE RACE?

>> SO WHENEVER I SEE A POLITICIAN COMING INTO THE RACE.

>> HE SAYS HE IS NOT A POLITICIAN.

HE SAID HE IS NOT A POLITICIAN?

WELL, RIGHT.

RIGHT.

RIGHT.

WHENEVER I SEE A CANDIDATE COMING INTO A RACE WITH ALL OF THEIR OWN MONEY AND YOU OH, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF THEIR OWN MONEY I THINK OF ANOTHER CANDIDATE WHO CAME IN SAYING HE WAS A BUSINESSMAN AND WHO WAS GOING TO PUT ALL THE MONEY TOWARD OWN CAMPAIGN THEN IN A LESS CROWDED RAS HE WAS NOT ABLE TO MOVE THE NEEDLE.

SO I MEAN, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A CROWDED RACE FOR NONE OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES COME EVEN CLOSE TO HAVING Z MUCH MONEY AS HE HAS AND WILL BE ABLE TO OUT LOOSE THE MEDIA AND TO REALLY GET THAT NAME RECOGNITION OUT THAT AND OTHER CANDIDATES NEED AT THIS POINT.

THEN, THAT MEANS I AM, I AM ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT SKEPTICAL THAT YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING THEN IN NY IS GOING TO BE ENOUGH PARTICULARLY IN YOU HAVE NO REAL NAME RECOGNITION COMING INTO IT AND THEN HE IS ALSO JUST NOT REALLY DIFFERENTIALATING HIMSELF IN THE FIELD A WHOLE LET AND DOING WHAT OTHER CANDIDATES ARE DOING WHICH IS EVENTUALLY ARGUING AGAINST GOVERNOR WHITMER AND INSTEAD OF ARGUING AGAINST THE OTHER CANDIDATES THEN THEY ARE ALL SORT OF TRYING TO STAN OUT BY SAYING THE SAME ING WHERE ALLOT OF THE SAME THING THEN I DON'T KNOW THAT IS GOING TO WORK.

WELL, I WITHS REMINDED OF DICK WHO OOPED UP THE WALLITS TO THE TUNE OF $35 MILLION.

YEAH HE DID SCARE EVERYBODY OUT OF THE RACE BUT THIS $10 MILLION ARE THE GENTLEMEN YOU ABOUT TO MEET NOW IS MOLT GOING TO SCARE I DON'T THINK AND ONE OUT OF OF THE CONTEST AND WELCOME TO OFF THE RECORD.

GO TOW SUE.

HOW ARE YOU DOING?

>> GOOD MORNING TIM HOW ARE YOU DOING?

>> WE ARE DOING WELL.

LET'S START OUT WITH EASY ONE.

DID DONALD TRUMP HAVE THAT ELECTION STOLEN AWAY FROM HIM, SIR?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

AND CERTAINLY, I DON'T LOOK BACK.

LOOK FORWARD.

IN RE GEAREDS TO ELECTIONS, SO I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING THAT WOULD INDICATE THERE WAS FRAUD.

>> SO DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JOE BIDEN WAS FAIRLY AND SQUARELY ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?

>> I THINK THAT THE ELECTION HAS BEEN CERTIFIED AND THAT STANES FOR ITSELF.

>> SO MR. TRUMP'S CRIT S. OF THAT OUGHT TO STOP BECAUSE IT IS INCORRECT, SIR?

>> I THINK THIS -- THAT PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS PAST ELECTION.

GOING FORWARD, THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS TO ENSURE THERE IS A SAFE SEA CURE APPROPRIATE ELECTION.

MICHIGAN HAS OVER 300,000 NAMES ON THE VOTER ROLES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ACTIVE FOR OVER 20 YEARS.

AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS ENSURE THAT EVERY VOTER HAS THE ACCESS TO A VOTE AND THAT THEY ARE REGISTERED APPROPRIATELY AND THEY PROVIDE I.D.

IT IS THE LAW THAT SAYS THIS VERY TO DO THAT.

THEN, THE GOVERNMENT PROVIDES ACCESS AND SAFE AND IT THAT IS SAME PELL.

SO QUICKLY YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SAY THE ELECTION WAS RIGGED RIGHT?

>> I HAVE SEEN NOTHING THAT WITH A TELL ME THE ELECTION WAS RIGGED.

>> PLEASE.

>> YEAH.

NOMINATION FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

CAN YOU TELL OUR VIEWERS WHAT YOU YOUR HISTORY WHICH IS THINK REPUBLICAN PARTY AND WHAT CONNECTION YOU HAVE WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT MAY GIVE YOU A HEADS OR GIVE YOU A HEAD START IN THE RACIAL?

>> I DON'T THINK I NEED A HEAD START OAR HISTORY WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO BE A VALLABLE CANDIDATE.

AM A CONSERVATIVE GUY.

I AM A BUSINESS GUY.

THAT HAS HAD SUCCESS IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN AND IN OUR ELECTIONS AND YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE WHETHER YOU ARE RUN IS A REB CONDITION OR A DEMOCRAT BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN SMALLER GOVERNMENT.

THEN, THEN HAVE CONSERVATIVE VALUES ON THE REPUBLICAN.

I HAVE CON PURCHASEBUTEDDED IN THE PAST TO REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES.

A MR.

FOLLOW-UP.

>> WELL, YEAH.

HOW MUCH AND WHO ARE SOME OF THE PEOPLE YOU HAVE GIVEN MONEY TO?

>> WELL, SEVERAL REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES OVER THE YEARS.

I BELIEVE THAT ICON PURCHASE BUTTED TO THE BUSH CAMPAIGN.

BELIEVE ICON, BUTTED TO THE REGAN CALMING OPINION AND I BELIEVE MY FAMILY CON PURCHASE BUTTED TO THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN THEN I YET A CHECK FOR RICK SNYDER AND JOHN JAMES.

>> WELL, CHEYNA.

SO ONE OF THE BIG PLATFORMS IS TO BOOSTING THE ECONOMY PARTICULARLY FOR THE LOWER CLASS.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN SPECIFICALLY HOW YOU PLAN TO DO THAT IF YOU ARE GOVERNOR?

>> WELL, I THINK WHAT WE HAVE GOT TO DO IS LOOK AT THE WHOLE BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT, CHEYNA.

UNFORTUNATELY MICHIGAN PER DAP LED THE NATION IN SMALL BUSINESSES CLOSED AND JOBS LOST.

THEN OVER 50% OF THOSE JOBS IT EXPECTED WILL NOT RETURN TO THE STATE OF MICHIGAN.

WE HAVE TO BE CREATIVE.

WE HAVE TO ACES THE SITUATION.

WE HAVE TO SEE HOW WE CAN GET PEOPLE BACK TO WORK AND SMALL JOBS FOR US AGAIN, THEN SMALL BUSINESSES PROSPERING WHEN YOU HAVE MISTAKES LIKE 3!

9 BILLION THEN IT IS CERTAINLY DOESN'T HELP SMALL BUSINESS GET BACK ON THE FEET.

FOLLOW-UP?

>> WELL, SO LIKE WHAT SPECIFIC.

I AM LACKING A AT PACIFIC.

LIKE WHAT IS A BILL OR SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE WORK THE LEGISLATURE TO PASS THROUGH.

LIKE WHAT?

IN YOU GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC.

YEAH.

I THINK WE HAVE GOT TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT AFFECTS SMALL BUSINESS AND SMALL BUSINESS HIRING.

THEN, SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT TAXES.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT LG SLAY LATION THAT RESTRICTS OR INHIBITS SMALL BUSINESS THEN, THEN, IT IS A THOROUGH REVIEW AND IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO ME THAT HAS BEEN DONE.

THEN, SO, SO THAT IS WHERE WE START.

THAT IS WHERE WE START AND THE WAY THAT I OPERATE IS I SURROUND MYSELF WELL VERY, VERY CAPABLE PEOPLE THAT HAVE EXPERIENCE,ED IN THE VARIOUS FIELDS AND WE COALESCE AND GET THOSE IDEAS TOGETHER.

WE PUT THEM DOESN'T ON PAPER.

WE MEASURE THE RESULTS AND THE IMPACT THEN WE IMPLEMENT THINGS SO BEFORE I ACT OR BEFORE I WRITE A POLICY, THEN I HAVE TO INVOLVE PEOPLE THAT IT IS GOING TO BE IMPACT.

THEN, THEN, THOSE DECISIONS.

>> MR. LIVENGOOD.

YES.

KIND OF DECADE A AGO, GOVERNOR RICK SNYDER AND THE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE REPEALED THE MICHIGAN BUSINESS TAX.

OR STARTED THE REPEAL OR SOME BIG BUSINESS LOOK THE AUTO MAKERS WHO ARE STILL USING THAT TAX CODE AND WENT TO A 6% CORPORATE INCOME TAX AND ALL THE SMALL BUSINESSES LLC'S S CORPS AND SOLE PROPRIETORS MOVED IN TO HAVING TO PAY THE 4.25% INCOME TAX AND TALKING ABOUT SMALL BUSINESS IN THIS AGENDA OF YOURS AND THIS IS TAX STRUCTURE COMPETITIVE IN YOUR MIND.

FIRST PARTICULARLY FOR THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES.

A YEAH.

THINK THAT THE TAX STRUCTURE IN MICHIGAN NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AND WE ARE NOT RATED AS COMPETITIVE STATE IN COMPARISON TO NORTH AMERICA.

THEN, IN FACT.

WREN THE LOWER HALF IF I AM NOT NOTICE TAKEN.

WHEN EQUIPMENT TOES BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT AND TAX STRUCTURES SO WE NEED LOOK AT THAT.

CERTAINLY FROM ENVIRONMENT PERSPECTIVE THEN ECONOMY PERSPECTIVE THEN WHEN THE CITIZENS HAVE MONEY IN THEIR HANDS THEN, THAT WILL BOOST THE ECONOMY AND THAT WILL ALSO BOOST HIRING AND JOB PERFORMANCE.

>> FOLLOW-UP?

>> YEAH.

1.8 BILLION TAX CUT IN 2011 AND WITH AS THAT NOT ENOUGH FOR BUSINESSES TO BE COMPETITIVE IN THE STATE?

>> WELL, I THINK THAT PEOPLE IN SMALL BUSINESSES CONTINUE TO CHOOSE OTHER STATES BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT THAT I MY HAS.

AND IT IS A CHALLENGE.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT.

WE NED TO LOOK A VERY, VERY CLOSELY.

THEN, DO COME PARATIVES AGAINST OTHER STATES THAT ARE ATTRACTING BUSINESSES BUT LOOK AT KENTUCKY.

LOOK AT TENNESSEE.

WE JUST LOST OUT ON OVER 100,000 JOBS THEN ROUGHLY 16 BILLION IN TOTAL INNOVATEMENT FOR THE STIT AND THEN OUR GOVERNOR AND OUR ECONOMIC BOARD THAT PINTED DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT FORD MOTOR WAS GOING TO IMPLEMENT THAT PROGRAM.

SO WE CANNOT AFFORD MISTAKES LIKE TO.

THE PEOPLE OF MICHIGAN NEED OPPORTUNITIES AND WE HAVE TO HAVE ENVIRONMENT FOR THEM TO BE SUCCESS.

>> LET'S JUST IN SHORT ANSWERS HEAR HILT A COUPLE OF THAT ARE OUT THERE.

WHAT IS THE POSITION ON CAPITAL PUNISHMENT?

>> I THINK THAT CAPITAL PUNISHMENT FOR CAPITAL CRIMES IS APPROPRIATE.

>> WHAT ABOUT TAKING THE NO TAX FLEDGE WILL YOU DO THAT SIR?

>> I AM NOT GOING TO GET LOCKED INTO ANY PLEDGE WHEN IT IS REGARDING TAXES SIMPLY BECAUSE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE TAX STRUCTURE AND THAT WOULD IMPLY THAT THE TAXES WILL BE ARRANGED DIFFERENTLY.

>> AND WHAT ABOUT NO GUNS IN SCHOOLST?

I DON'T SEE REASON WHY KITS SHOULD TO SCHOOL, DO YOU?

>> I AM TAKE BACK PEOPLE THAT OPEN CARRY OR ADULTS TAKE TO SCHOOL IN SOLD WE BAN THEM FROMMING THAT?

>> I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE ABE PROPERTY WHEN YOU ENTER A SCHOOL TO PROBABLY LEAVE YOUR GUN LOCKED IN THE CAR.

>> THERE WENT THE NRA ENDORSEMENT?

DO YOU THINK?

>> NO YOU NO WHAT.

AM PRO GUN.

I HAPPEN TO BE BELIEVE IN CONCEALED CARRY AND OPEN CARRY.

IT IS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

AND LET'S NOT TWIST WHAT I AM SAYING.

THERE CERTAINLY ARE PLACES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE OR MAYBE QUESTIONABLE.

AND I AM NOT GOING TO PUT AR-15 ON MY BACK AND WALK TO SCHOOL AS A PARENT.

THAT TO ME APPEARS INAPPROPRIATE.

>> DO YOU SUPPORT THE ERA?

>> YEAH.

>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS?

>> EQUAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT.

OF COURSE I KNOW WHAT IT IS?

MOST REPUBLICANS?

A LOT OF REPUBLICANS THINK THAT WAS JUST ANTI-DEMOCRACY.

>> WELL, I THINK, THIS, IN A REPUBLIC, IN A DEMOCRACY, WHAT WE NEED TO OFFER, TIM, IS EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, THAT DOESN'T ENSURE EQUAL OUTCOMES AND TODAY'S GOVERNMENT STRIFES TO CREATE EQUAL OUTCOMES WHICH LOWERS THE UTCOM FOR EVERYBODY.

>> ALL RIGHT WE ARE GOING TO DO OVERTIME SEGMENT WHICH ARE IN COMMITTEE HAS AGREED TO KYLE PLEASE.

YEAH.

BACK IN THE '90'S YOU OWNED A CAR DEALER SHIP.

THERE WERE ALLEGATIONS MADE THAT YOU SEXUAL I AHARASSED FEMALE EMPLOYEE AND DIM CHRIS NATE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST OLDER AND MADE RACIST COME MENS ARE YOU CONCERNED THOSE INCIDENTS BACK IN THE '90'S WILL BE PAINTED TO SPEAK TO YOUR CHARACTER NOW IN 2021?

>> WELL, IF THAT IS THE BEST THEY CAN COME UP THEN I THINK WE ARE ABLE TO FOCUS ON THE REAL ISSUES.

THE ACCUSATIONS WERE NOT TRUE THEN.

AND THEY ARE NOT TRUE TODAY.

>> FOLLOW-UP, KYLE?

>> SO YOU DIDN'T USE THE N-WORD IN 1990 WHEN TALKING ABOUT AFRICAN-AMERICAN PLOM ZE NO, SIR.

DY NOT.

>> I DID NOT.

WHO IS TRYING TO SELL THIS STORY, MR. RINK?

HE FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH.

THE SAME ATTORNEY REPRESENTED ALL FOUR EMPLOYEE.

THE SUITS WERE FILED AT THE SAME TIME.

AND 3:00 WHO IS SELLING IT ARE THE TRADITIONAL POLITICAL CAREER POLLSES WHO DON'T WANT TO FOCUS ON THEIR ISSUES SO THEY GO BACK 40 YEARS ROUGHLY AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO DISTRACT PEOPLE FROM THEIR RERULE THEN THAT IS WHO IS TRYING TO TELL I SEL IT.

WHO ARE ACCUSING THAT?

ONE OF THE OPPONENTS?

I THINK THAT THE INITIAL REPORT CAME OUT THROUGH THE CAMPAIGN.

AND I BROUGHT TO IT THE ATTENTION OF THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP IN THE STATE.

THEY SEEM TO PROVIDE THAT TO THE CALM PIN AND IT WAS RELEASED BY CONVICTED FELON NO LESS WHO IS ASSOCIATE OF MR. CRAIG'S CONSULTANT.

DOES MR. CRAIG OWE YOU AIL POLL GY, SIR?

NO, SIR.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT HE OWES ME APOLOGY.

>> ALL RIGHT.

WE ARE GOING TO DO OT THANK FOR GRACIOUSLY AGREEING TO DO THAT AND WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH KYLE AND CHAD AND CHEYNA FOR MORE.

FIRST CHECK OUT THESE CLOSED CREDITS.

PRODUCTION YOU HAVE OFF THOUGH RECORD IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY THE FOLLOWING.

BUSINESS LEADERS MANUFACTURE MY HAS PLAN TO MAKE MICHIGAN THE TOP TEN STATE IN THE NATION FOR JOBS PERSONAL INCOME AND A HEALTHY ECONOMY LEARN MORE AT MICHIGAN ROAD TO TOP TEN PENN COM.

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