♪ >> VOTERS PROVIDING A HUGE INFLUX OF NEW EDUCATION DOLLARS FOR OKLAHOMA CITY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

>> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OVER 400 INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS THAT WE BRING TO IT.

>> WILL GOVERNOR STITH RENEW HIS PUSH FOR SCHOOL VOUCHERS IN THE ACADEMY TERM?

>> HE NEVER SPECIFICALLY SAID VOUCHERS BUT HE COULDN'T HAVE FORESHADOWED THAT DISCUSSION BETTER WITH THOSE WORDS.

>> A MULTIBILLION DOLLAR PIPELINE PROJECT BENEFITS SOONER STATE COMPANIES.

>> THIS IS THE LARGEST INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT IN 50 YEARS, FRANKLY, IN THE U.S. AND, FLAMMABLE, THE GLOBE.

>> THE DEMAND FOR TRADESMEN AND WOMEN CONTINUES TO GROW IN OKLAHOMA.

>> WE'RE BEING TAUGHT THE PROPER WAYS TO DO IT WITH SAFETY AND QUALITY IN MIND.

>> A $20 MILLION INVESTMENT TO KEEP NATIVE LANGUAGES ALIVE.

>> THIS IS GOING TO BE A THING TO SUPPORT CHEROKEE NATION IN THE LANGUAGE EFFORTS AND ALSO OTHER CONTENTIOUS LANGUAGES.

>> PLUS, AN IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION ON HOW TO MAKE YOUR HOLIDAY BUDGET GO FURTHER, NEXT, ON "OKLAHOMA NEWS REPORT."

>> HELLO EVERYONE AND WELCOME TO THE "OKLAHOMA NEWS REPORT," I'M RICH LENZ.

EDUCATION FUNDING WAS A BIG ISSUE LAST WEEK IN THE MIDTERM ELECTION FOR CANDIDATES, TEACHERS AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

IN OKLAHOMA CITY, VOTERS STEPPED UP AND PASSED A $955 MILLION BOPPED ISSUE AND 6,000 OKLAHOMA TEACHERS RECEIVED $6 MILLION IN CLASSROOM GRANTS FROM THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.

OUR EDUCATION CORRESPONDENT TAELYR JACKSON HAS THE DETAILS.

>> Reporter: AN AMBITIOUS PLAN TO TRANSFORM THE OKLAHOMA CITY PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS BEEN IN THE PLANNING STAGES SINCE 2020.

>> SO, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PARTICULAR BOND ELECTION FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.

WE HAD SOME REALLY MEANINGFUL CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT AS COVID WAS ENTERING THE SCENE.

SO, WE PUT IT ON HOLD, THEN WE BROUGHT IT UP AGAIN ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

>> Reporter: LAST TUESDAY, MORE THAN 38,000 OKLAHOMANS VOTED TO PASS THE BOND.

>> THERE WAS JUST A LOT OF JUBILATION, JUST REALLY, UM, KIND OF A COMBINATION OF SATISFACTION THAT THE WORK IS PAYING OFF, THAT IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BRING THOSE PROJECTS TO OUR KIDS LIKE WE HOPED.

>> Reporter: VOTERS AGREED TO RAISE THE MILL LEVY ON THEIR PROPERTY TAX TO $26 FOR EVERY $1,000 OF ASSESSED PROPERTY VALUE.

>> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OVER 400 INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS THAT WE BRING THROUGH THIS BOND ELECTION.

SOME OF THE BIG ONES ARE WE GOT TWO BRAND-NEW HIGH SCHOOLS THAT WILL COME ONLINE IN THE FALL OF '26.

ONE IS CAPITOL HILL HIGH SCHOOL AND IT WILL REPLACE THE OLD BUILDING.

OK HIGH SCHOOLS.

>> WE HAVE KIDS THAT ATTEND A MIDDLE AND THERE IS NO CONTINUATION IN THAT MAGNATE SCHOOL MODEL, SO THE KIDS -- WE LOSE A LOT OF THE KIDS TO SURROUNDING DISTRICTS BECAUSE THEY HAVE KIND OF AN EXPECTATION OF A PARTICULAR CURRICULUM, VERY COLLEGE-PREP CURRICULUM THAT THEY USE.

SO, WE'RE HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO BRING THAT HIGH SCHOOL TO THAT GROUP OF KIDS, THAT GROUP OF FAMILIES AND, REALLY, TO THE GREATER NORTH-CENTRAL AREA OF THE CITY.

>> Reporter: THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ALSO PLANS TO OPEN TWO NEW MIDDLE SCHOOLS.

>> A BRAND-NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND LOTS OF OUR MEDIUM TO SMALLER PROJECTS, AND WE HOPE TO DO IT ALL WITHIN A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD OF TIME.

SO, IT'S PRETTY AMBITIOUS.

>> Reporter: IN SOUTH OKLAHOMA CITY, CONSOLIDATION IS ON THE BOOKS.

>> WE HAVE TWO MIDDLE SCHOOLS, CAPITOL HILL MIDDLE SCHOOL AND WHEELER MIDDLE SCHOOL THAT ARE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY, ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF APART FROM ONE ANOTHER.

THEY'RE TWO OF THE OLDEST BUILDINGS IN THE DISTRICT.

AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER.

AND SO, WE'RE GONNA BUILD A BRAND-NEW, STATE-OF-THE-ART MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND THEN TAKE WHEELER AND CAPITOL HILL OFFLINE.

AND THOSE KIDS WILL ATTEND THE BRAND-NEW MIDDLE SCHOOL.

>> Reporter: AT ALIVELY ELEMENTARY AND SHIVELER ELEMENTARY WILL BE COMBINED.

>> SAME CONCEPT WHERE WE TAKE THOSE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS, THOSE TWO GROUPS OF KIDS AND BRING THEM TOGETHER IN ONE BRAND-NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

>> Reporter: THEY SAY THEY PLAN TO HAVE THE NEW SCHOOLS OPEN BY FALL OF 2026.

THE OKLAHOMA STATE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION IS ALSO WORKING TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS IN OKLAHOMA'S SCHOOLS THROUGH THEIR OKLAHOMA CLASSROOM LEARNING AND SCHOOL SUPPLY GRANTS, ALSO KNOWN AS THE CLASS GRANTS.

OSDE CHIEF INNOVATION OFFICER KATHY DODD SAID THE INITIATIVES WAS CREATED TO HELP EDUCATORS WITH CLASSROOM NEEDS.

>> IT WAS DESIGNED TO HELP TEACHERS GET THE NECESSARY RESOURCES THEY NEED AS A RESULT OF THE PANDEMIC.

WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE MANY DISRUPTIONS THAT OCCURRED AS A RESULT OF COVID-19, WE HAD STUDENTS COMING BACK TO SCHOOL LAST YEAR WITH DIFFERENT NEEDS THAN THEY HAD IN PREVIOUS YEARS.

AND TEACHERS WERE FINDING THEMSELVES NEEDING SOME ACADEMIC -- SOME ADDITIONAL ACADEMIC RESOURCES TO HELP FILL THE GAP.

>> Reporter: THE INITIATIVE BEGAN NINE MONTHS AGO WHEN OSDE USED A PORTION OF ITS PANDEMIC RELIEF FUNDS TO INVEST $6 MILLION TO PROVIDE EDUCATIONAL RESOURCES FOR TEACHERS.

>> SO IN THE FIRST ROUND OF GRANTS THROUGH THE CLASS GRANT PROJECT, THAT WAS IN FEBRUARY OF 2022, WE FUNDED 7844 TEACHERS WITH A GRANT UP TO $800 IN CLASSROOM MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES.

>> Reporter: AFTER SUCH A GREAT RESPONSE IN THE SPRING, OSDE DECIDED TO PARTNER WITH DONORS CHOOSE ONCE AGAIN.

>> WE OFFERED A CLASS GRANT 2.0 INITIATIVE IN THE FALL, WHICH JUST RECENTLY CONCLUDED, AND IN THAT ROUND OF FUNDING WE HAD 6882 GRANTS.

FOR EVERY GRANT GOING INTO A PARTICULAR TEACHER'S CLASSROOM, THAT'S BENEFITTING AN UNQUANTIFIABLE NUMBER OF STUDENTS.

>> Reporter: CLASSROOM SUPPLIES HAVE ALREADY STARTED TO ARRIVE AT SCHOOLS AROUND THE STATE.

TAELYR JACKSON, THE "OKLAHOMA NEWS REPORT."

>> TAELYR, THANK YOU.

BY A LARGER THAN MOST EXPECTED MARGIN OF 13 POINTS, VOTERS ALSO GRANTED THE GOVERNOR A SECOND FOUR-YEAR TERM IN OFFICE, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE EDUCATION WILL BE A PRIORITY FOR THE GOVERNOR, AND THAT SOME OF THOSE PRIORITIES MAY FACE STRONG OPPOSITION FROM HIS OPPONENTS AND EVEN SOME MEMBERS OF HIS OWN PARTY.

I SPOKE ABOUT THAT WITH "QUORUM CALL" PUBLISHER SHAWN ASHLEY.

SHAWN, ALL SIGNALS POINT TO PRIVATE SCHOOL VOUCHERS BEING A BIG PRIORITY.

>> CERTAINLY.

DURING HIS GENERAL ELECTION VICTORY SPEECH, THE GOVERNOR SPOKE OFTEN OF EDUCATION, AND, IN PARTICULARLY, E NOTED THAT EVERY CHILD IN EVERY ZIP CODE IN OKLAHOMA SHOULD BE ABLE TO OBTAIN A QUALITY EDUCATION.

NOW, HE NEVER SPECIFICALLY SAID VOUCHERS, BUT HE COULDN'T HAVE FORESHADOWED THAT DISCUSSION BETTER THAN HIS WORDS.

>> TELL ME MORE ABOUT HIS NEW CHIEF OF STAFF.

HOW MIGHT HIS BACKGROUND INFLUENCE THE DISCUSSION GOING FORWARD?

>> BRANDON TATUM COMES TO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE FROM OKLAHOMA CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY WHERE HE WAS AN EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT AND CHIEF OF STRATEGY.

NOW, SOME OF HIS WORK AS CHIEF OF STRATEGY WAS INVOLVED IN FINDING ALTERNATIVE WAYS FOR INDIVIDUALS TO COMPLETE THEIR HIGHER EDUCATION, PARTICULARLY IN THE NURSING FIELDS, WHERE HE WORKED WITH LOCAL HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS, AS WELL AS IN EDUCATION AND HELPING STUDENTS THERE GET THE CREDITS THAT THEY NEEDED IN ORDER TO GO ON TO BECOME A TEACHER.

HE HAS ALSO SERVED ON THE STATEWIDE VIRTUAL CHARTER SCHOOL BOARD WHICH OVERSEES VIRTUAL CHARTER SCHOOLS IN THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA.

THEREFORE, HE'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE IDEA OF ALTERNATIVE MEANS OF PROVIDING NORMAL EDUCATION TO FOLKS, AND HE BRINGS THAT IDEA OF DISRUPTION, IF YOU WILL, TO THE FIRST PERIOD'S OFFICE AND THE ADVICE HE WILL BE PROVIDING THE GOVERNOR.

>> WELL, ON WEDNESDAY, MEMBERS OF BOTH HOUSES WERE SWORN IN.

NOW, IN THE LAST SESSION, SHAWN, SOME OF THESE REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS MADE IT CLEAR THEY DID NOT APPROVE OF THE GOVERNOR'S PLAN?

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

WE SAW IN THE SENATE WITH THE VOUCHER PROPOSAL, THE EMPOWERMENT SCHOLARSHIP PROPOSAL WAS PUT UP TO A VOTE ON THE SENATE FLOOR AND IT FAILED.

IN THE CASE OF THE HOUSE, THE HOUSE SPEAKER INDICATED THAT HE DID NOT BELIEVE HIS CAUCUS, THE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS AND MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE, WANTED TO TAKE UP THAT MEASURE.

BUT BECAUSE IT FAILED, IT NEVER MADE IT TO HOUSE FOR POSSIBLE CONSIDERATION.

TREAT HAS INDICATED THAT HE DOES PLAN TO LOOK AT FILING ANOTHER EMPOWERMENT SCHOLARSHIP, OR VOUCHER PROPOSAL, FOR THE 2023 LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

>> THE GOVERNOR'S HAND-PICKED CHOICE OF STATE SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION, HE IS ALSO A STRONG PROPONENT OF MORE SCHOOL CHOICE.

HOW MIGHT HE IMPACT THE NEGOTIATIONS?

>> RYAN WALTERS WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT-ELECT FOR OKLAHOMA GIVES THE GOVERNOR ANOTHER VOICE IN DISCUSSIONS ON THE SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH, AND FIFTH FLOORS WITH LAWMAKERS THERE WHO MAY BE OPPOSED TO THE IDEA OF A VOUCHER PROGRAM.

JOY HOFMEISTER, WHO CHALLENGED GOVERNOR STITH IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE, GENERALLY OPPOSED THE IDEA OF THE VOUCHERS OR EMPOWERMENT SCHOLARSHIPS.

AND SO, SHE WASN'T A VOICE ON THE SIDE OF THE GOVERNOR IN ARGUING FOR THAT PROPOSAL.

>> BUT, AGAIN, YOU MENTIONED VOUCHERS FAILED IN THE LAST SESSION.

WHAT MAKES THE GOVERNOR THINK IT MIGHT GET PAST THE FINISH LINE THIS TIME?

>> I'M NOT SURE HE'S YET CONVINCED THAT IT WILL GET PAST THE FINISH LINE YET.

BUT I DO THINK THAT HE KNOWS, MUCH AS WE'VE OUTLINED HERE, THAT HE IS HEADED FOR A POLITICAL FIGHT OVER THE ISSUE AND HE HAS ON HIS SIDE A NEW CHIEF OF STAFF AND A NEW SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION WHO CAN HELP HIM IN THAT BATTLE.

WE'LL HAVE TO SEE ULTIMATELY WHAT SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEM GREG TREATT OR ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE LEGISLATURE BRINGS TO THE TABLE TO CHEW OP AND FIGHT OVER.

>> YOU SAID HE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN HIS VICTORY SPEECH.

I IMAGINE HE WILL TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN TO TALK OFF HIS STATE OF THE STATE SPEECH.

>> I'M CERTAIN IT WILL BE A KEY PART OF THAT SPEECH.

"QUORUM CALL" PUBLISHER SHAWN ASHLEY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> YOU'RE VERY WELCOME.

>> WELL, IT'S AN EYE-POPPING CONTRACT, $4.5 BILLION, AND AN OKLAHOMA PIPELINE COMPANY IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO BE PART OF A PROJECT THAT WILL PROVIDE AN ECONOMIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL BOOST TO OUR STATE AND REGION.

JASON DOYLE JOINS US NOW WITH THE DETAILS ON A BIG DEAL FOR BIG ELK.

>> Reporter: THAT'S RIGHT, RICH.

BIG ELK IS A OIL AND GAS AND NATURAL GAS SERVICES COMPANY IN TULSA BUILDING ONE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS TO TAKE ON CARBON EMISSIONS IN A WAY THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE BEFORE.

WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS JUST ONE STEP IN THE PROCESS OF CREATING MORE THAN 2,000 MILES OF PIPELINE AND PUMPS FOR A CARBON SEQUESTRATION PROJECT THAT WILL DEPOSIT CARBON DIOXIDE UNDER GROUND.

BIG ELK WAS ANNOUNCED AZ THE MANUFACTURER FOR THIS PROJECT.

GEOFF HAGER IS THE FOUNDER AND CEO OF BIG ELK.

HIS COMPANY HAS BEEN PICTURED BY A COMPANY BASED IN IOWA TO SUPPLY THE PIPELINE AND PUMP NECESSARY FOR THIS PROJECT WHICH USES CURRENT TECHNOLOGY FOUND IN THE OILPATCH.

>> WHAT'S NICE IS THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE'VE BEEN BUILDING FOR YEARS FOR TRADITIONAL NATURAL GAS PIPELINE IS THE SAME TYPE OF EQUIPMENT NOW BEING USED FOR THE PURPOSE OF CAPTURING AND SEQUESTERING CARBON EMISSIONS.

>> LET'S FACE IT, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT REALLY HAPPENED BEFORE.

THIS IS THE LARGEST INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT IN 50 YEARS, FRANKLY, IN THE U.S. AND, FRANKLY, THE GLOBE.

>> Reporter: THE MULTIBILLION DOLLAR PROJECT STARTS WITH CAPTURING CARBON DIOXIDE EMITTED BY ETHANOL PLANTS.

>> JUST SIMPLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS GRABBING THE CARBON STREAM OFF THE ETHANOL INDUSTRY.

32 PLANTS THAT ARE EMITTING CARBON INTO THE ATMOSPHERE TODAY.

>> WE'RE TAKING THAT Co2, CLEAN IT, INJECT INTO IT A PIPELINE SYSTEM OVER 2,000 MILES ALL DESIGNED, BUILT AND OPERATED BY SUMMIT.

WE'RE GOING TO TRANSPORT THAT Co2 AND MAKING IT AN EFFICIENT WAY TO TRANSPORT IT.

>> Reporter: ONCE IT'S PUT INTO THE PIPELINE, THE CARBON WILL THEN MOVE TO A FACILITY IN NORTH DAKOTA.

>> WE BELIEVE AT 12 MILLION TONS, IT TAKES 2.6 MILLION AUTOMOBILES OFF THE ROAD AND THEIR CARBON EMISSIONS.

>> Reporter: SUMMIT CEO BELIEVES THE PARTNERSHIP HIS COMPANY AND BIG ELK ARE BACKGROUND -- BUILDING HAS ROOM TO GROW.

>> WE SIGNED A 12 MILLION CONTRACT AND MORE BUSINESS TO COME.

>> Reporter: THAT $12 MILLION IS BEING PUT TO GOOD USE BY BIG ELK TO BENEFIT OKLAHOMA WORKERS AND SUPPLIERS.

>> WE WILL BE HIRING, I WOULD SAY, NO LESS THAN 40 TO 50 PEOPLE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.

IF THE TREND CONTINUES, POSSIBLY A LOT MORE THAN THAT.

WE USE A VARIETY OF TRADE DISCIPLINES THROUGHOUT THE MANUFACTURING PROCESS, AND SO WE'RE BUYING RAW MATERIAL IN THE FORM OF RAW PIPES, FLANJS, FITTINGS, VALVES, STRUCTURAL STEEL.

>> Reporter: WHILE THE FUTURE LOOKS BRIGHT FOR BIG ELK, THAT WASN'T ALWAYS THE CASE.

COVID NAMED SOON AFTER THEY WERE NAMED A FAST GROWING COMPANY.

>> HONESTLY, WE THOUGHT THE SKY WAS THE LIMIT FOR US AT THAT POINT.

WE DIDN'T KNOW LESS THAN A YEAR AND A HALF LATER WE WOULD BE GOING INTO THE PANDEMIC TIME PERIOD OF TIME AND THE WORSE ECONOMIC CONDITIONS WE HAD EVER SEEN.

OUR MARKET GROPD BY TWO-THIRDS ALMOST OVERNIGHT?

>> REFLECTED ON THE STRUGGLE TO KEEP THE COMPANY RUNNING DURING THE PANDEMIC.

>> IT IS SO EXCITING WHEN YOU LOOK OUT AND YOU FINALLY SEE THE BORDER OF THE PROMISELAND, WHEN YOU SEE MILK AND HONEY AND YOU THINK, WE DON'T JUST HAVE TO LIVE ON SCRAPS.

>> Reporter: THE ANALOGY I ALWAYS GIVE PEOPLE IS, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MANNA AND THE PROMISELAND.

MANNA IS A MIRACLE WHEN BREAD FALLS FROM THE SKY.

THING IS, MANNA IS ONLY GOOD FOR A DAY.

IT'S JUST ENOUGH TO SUSTAIN YOU FOR A DAY.

WE EXPERIENCED THAT DURING THE PANDEMIC.

>> Reporter: HAGER PROJECTS SOON OTHER INDUSTRIES WILL WANT TO FOLLOW THE MODEL OF CARBON SEQUESTRATION.

>> THERE'S ALREADY A HOST OF COMPANIES TO SIGN UP TO DO THIS IN A SECOND FACE.

THIS WILL CONTINUE FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

IT'S NOT JUST ETHANOL PRODUCTION.

I COMPLETELY EXPECT WE WILL MOVE TO OTHER SIMILAR INDUSTRIES THAT HAVE CARBON EMISSIONS.

>> Reporter: ONE SHOULDN'T BE SURPRISED THAT IN OKLAHOMA AN NATURAL GAS COMPANY IS WORKING ON AN ISSUE.

IN FACT, OKLAHOMA LEADING THE WAY ENSURING CAPTURE CARBON STAYS IN THE GROUND AND NOT RELEASED BACK INTO THE ATMOSPHERE.

>> MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THIS, BUT OKLAHOMA IS ONE OF THE FIRST STATES TO CERTIFY AND HAVE A STATE AGENCY THAT COULD CERTIFY CARBON SEQUESTRATION ACROSS THE NATION.

>> Reporter: THE LEGISLATURE GAVE THE GO-AHEAD TO THE PROGRAM A FEW YEARS AGO TO OFFSET THEIR CARBON FOOTPRINT.

>> THE REASON THAT THE OKLAHOMA LEGISLATURE DID THAT IS BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO PROTECT BOTH BUYERS AND SELLERS OF CARBON CREDITS IN OKLAHOMA TO ENSURE THAT CARBON SEQUESTERED IN OKLAHOMA WAS REALLY BEING SEQUESTERED IN OKLAHOMA.

>> Reporter: THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS THAT CARBON DIOXIDE CAN BE KEPT OUT OF THE ATMOSPHERE.

>> UM, THE COMMISSION HAS RULES THAT ARE APPROVED BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE THAT ALLOW US TO VERIFY CARBON THAT'S BEEN SEQUESTERED THROUGH FORESTRY PRACTICES, THROUGH NO-TILL FARMING, AS WELL AS THROUGH GRASSLAND MANAGEMENT.

SO, THESE ARE WAYS THAT LANDOWNERS ALL ACROSS THE STATE COULD PARTICIPATE IN THE CARBON PROGRAM.

>> Reporter: WHILE THE CARBON SEQUESTRATION PROJECT WILL KEEP BIG ELK BUSY, YOU WON'T FIND HAGER RESTING ON HIS LAURELS.

>> AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, YOU KNOW, FOR US, 2023, IF WE WANTED, WE COULD SAY THAT IT'S BOOKED.

WE COULD SAY WE'VE GOT WELL OVER A YEAR'S WORTH OF BACKLOG AND WE COULD BE CONTENT WITH THAT.

WE'RE NOT.

WE'RE GOING TO ADD PEOPLE AND ADD CAPACITY SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TAKING ON NEW BUSINESS.

>> Reporter: SUMMIT CARBON SOLUTIONS EXPECTS CONSTRUCTION ON THE PIPELINE WILL BEGIN NEXT SUMMER WITH THE FIRST Co2 INJECTED UNDERGROUND SOME TIME IN THE LATTER HALF OF 2024.

RICH?

>> JASON, THANK YOU.

PIPE FITTING IS ONE OF MANY TRADE JOBS IN HIGH DEMAND AND, THEREFORE, COMMANDING HIGH SALARIES THESE DAYS.

YOU NAME A TRADE, AND THERE'S AN EXCELLENT CHANCE THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF QUALIFIED WORKERS IN THAT FIELD.

STEVE SHAW HAS MORE ON THAT.

>> Reporter: RICH, THIS WEEK IS NATURAL APPRENTICESHIP WEEK.

TODAY, OKLAHOMA CITY' SHEETMETAL WORKERS TRAINING CENTER, LOCAL 124, HOSTED A BUILDING AND TRADE OPEN HOUSE FOR THE ENTIRE STATE TO ATTRACT YOUNG MINDS TO WHAT CAN BE LUCRATIVE, FULFILLING CAREERS.

>> Reporter: OKLAHOMA'S BUILDING AND TRADES COUNCIL IS MADE UP OF THE CONSTRUCTION UNIONS IN THE STATE.

>> SOMETIMES I'LL HOLD A HAND RIGHT THERE NEXT TO IT.

YOU DON'T WANT TO BE HERE.

>> Reporter: THEY RECRUIT FROM HIGH SCHOOLS AND CAREER TECHS.

OKLAHOMA'S BUILDING AND TRADES COUNCIL EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR JIMMY FISH GOT HIS START IN CONSTRUCTION WAY BACK IN 1972.

>> WE HAD ACTUALLY 13 DIFFERENT TRADES, EVERYTHING FROM PLUMBERS, PIPEFITTERS, INSULATE ORS, SHEETMETAL WORKERS, ELECTRICIANS.

THERE WERE 22 APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS STATEWIDE THAT DO TRAINING FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS THAT WISH TO HAVE A CAREER IN CONSTRUCTION.

>> Reporter: FRIDAY'S BUILDING AND TRADES OPEN HOUSE IN OKLAHOMA CITY FEATURED NEARLY A DOZEN BOOTHS THAT SHOWCASED OPPORTUNITIES THAT REWARDS TALENT AND HARD WORK.

>> YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION WORK IS NOT MAYBE FOR EVERYONE, BUT INDIVIDUALS THAT LIKE TO WORK WITH THEIR HANDS, THAT WANT TO CREATE SOMETHING AND LOOK BACK AT SOMETHING THAT THEY ACTUALLY BUILT CAN -- YOU KNOW, IT CAN HAVE A BIG BOOST TO THEIR MORALE.

SO, THERE IS SOME HARD WORK INVOLVED, BUT THE BENEFITS ARE SUCH THAT IT MORE THAN MAKES UP FOR THE HARD WORK THEY PUT IN.

>> Reporter: THESE ARE ALL SKILLS THAT ARE ACQUIRED IN THREE TO FIVE YEARS, AND YOU GET PAID.

LET ME REITERATE THAT.

THEY GET PAID EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.

THE PAY IS VERY GOOD.

THE AVERAGE STARTING WAGE FOR FIRST-YEAR APPRENTICES IS AROUND $17.85 AN HOUR.

WHEN YOU TACK ON THE FRINGE BENEFIT PACKAGE, THE STARTING PAY FOR MANY OF THESE OCCUPATIONS, ON AVERAGE, IS AROUND $35 AN HOUR.

SO, THEY'RE VERY GOOD WAGES AND BENEFITS, WHICH PROVIDES HEALTH COVERAGE FOR THEM AS WELL AS THEIR FAMILY, PENSION BENEFITS.

>> Reporter: RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE 2800 PEOPLE IN APPRENTICE PROGRAMS ACROSS THE STATE, AND THERE'S ROOM FOR AT LEAST 200 MORE.

>> OKAY.

WHAT IS THIS?

>> THAT WILL BE THAT TIMING RELAY.

IT WILL BE A PART OF IT.

>> Reporter: GREG METZGER AND RUSSELL RICE ARE IN THEIR FOURTH YEAR AT THE ELECTRICAL TRAINING ALLIANCE OF WESTERN OKLAHOMA.

>> WE'RE LEARNING HOW TO BECOME THE LEADERS OF THE NEXT LABOR FORCE.

WE'RE PUTTING THINGS TOGETHER, WE'RE BEING TAUGHT THE PROPER WAYS TO DO IT WITH SAFETY AND QUALITY IN MIND, AND WE TAKE THAT OUT TO THE BUILDINGS THAT WE BUILD, AND WE SHARE IT WITH PEOPLE, AND WE SHOW THEM THROUGH DOING IT.

>> Reporter: WHAT DO YOU WANT DO WITH THIS?

>> YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES INVOLVED WITH THE TRADES.

EVENTUALLY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE I'M A GOOD JOURNEYMAN FIRST, BUT THERE'S LOTS OF POSITIONS OPEN FOR FOREMEN, RUNNING YOUR OWN CREW, YOU CAN BE AN ADJUSTER AND EVENTUALLY EVEN OWN YOUR OWN COMPANY.

BUT FOR NOW, I THINK I JUST WANT TO FOCUS ON BEING A GOOD JOURNEYMAN.

>> Reporter: SOME GOOD MONEY IN THIS?

>> IT'S WONDERFUL.

IT OPENS UP A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF WHO THOUGHT COLLEGE WASN'T THE BEST ROUTE.

>> THEY'LL START OUT ABOUT $45,000.

BY THE TIME THEY GRADUATE, THEY'LL BE MAKING AROUND $70,000.

THAT'S A GOOD STARTING WAGE.

>> YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF UNIQUE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE FIRST-YEAR STUDENTS COME IN AND REMEMBERING WHAT IT WAS LIKE AND, LIKE, CHATTING THEM AND, LIKE, GETTING TO TELL THEM, IT GETS BETTER.

HANG ON.

IT GETS A LOT BETTER.

>> Reporter: SPEAKING OF FIRST-YEAR STUDENTS -- >> SEE WHERE THE TARGET IS?

>> YEAH.

>> LET'S GET A LITTLE CLOSER.

>> Reporter: -- THESE FIRST-YEAR SHEETMETAL APPRENTICES LEARN SOME NEW-AGE WELDING TECHNIQUES IN OKLAHOMA CITY THIS PAST TUESDAY.

>> IT'S A LONG-TERM CAREER FOR ME.

THAT'S THE REASON WHY I GOT INTO IT.

I HAD A LOT OF SHORT-TERM JOBS, I WANTED SOMETHING TO DO THE REST OF MY LIFE.

>> Reporter: KYLE COLLETT WANTS A CAREER IN HEATING AND COOLING.

THIS KIND OF CHECKS ALL THE BOXES?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

A LOT OF KIDS ARE DOING THIS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL.

I WISH I HAD KNOWN IT WAS AVAILABLE THAT YOUNG.

>> IF YOU EARN WHILE YOU'RE LEARN, YOU'RE NEVER INCURRING DEBT.

>> Reporter: JAIME HICKMAN IS TRAINING DIRECTOR FOR THE SHEETMETAL WORKERS UNION LOCAL 124.

SHE SAYS SHE DISCOVERED BUILDING TRADES AFTER TOILING TWO YEARS IN COLLEGE.

>> BUT EVEN WHEN I WENT THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL, THERE WAS NO SHOP.

THAT HAD ALL GONE AWAY.

AND A LOT OF THESE KIDS AREN'T EXPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, USING A TAPE MEASURE, STUFF LIKE THAT AT HOME.

HOW ARE THEY GOING TO KNOW WHAT THEY MIGHT TRULY BE REALLY GOOD AT?

YOU CAN MAKE A VERY GOOD LIVING.

>> Reporter: LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE NEARLY 3,000 PEOPLE GOING THROUGH CONSTRUCTION TRADES PROGRAMS AROUND THE STATE, AND THEY COULD USE MANY MORE.

RICH?

>> VERY GOOD GIG THERE.

STEVE, THANK YOU.

THREE YEARS AFTER BEING CHOSEN AS THE CHEROKEE NATION'S DELEGATE TO THE U.S. CONGRESS, IT APPEARS KIMBERLY TEEHEE WILL SOON FIND OUT IF SHE WILL BE CONFIRMED AS A NON-VOTING MEMBER OF THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

A MOVE THE TRIBE SAYS SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED BACK IN 1835.

THE HOUSE WILL TAKE UP THE BANNER AND HOPEFULLY VOTE ON IT BEFORE CONGRESS ADJOURNS IN DECEMBER.

THE PROCESS BEGAN WITH A FORMAL HEARING ON WEDNESDAY THAT INCLUDED TESTIMONY FROM CHEROKEE PRINCIPLE CHIEF CHUCK HOSKIN Jr.

IN OTHER TRIBAL AFFAIRS, THE U.S. SUPREME COURT HAS HEARD ARGUMENTS IN A LAWSUIT THAT COULD CHANGE THE WAY NATIVE AMERICAN FOSTER CHILDREN ARE CARED FOR AND WHO HAS THE FINAL SAY WHERE THEY ARE PLACED.

KENNEDY SEPULVADO HAS OUR REPORT.

>> HOLLAND v. BRECKENE.

>> Reporter: ON NOVEMBER 9th, THE U.S. SUPREME COURT HEARD ORAL ARGUMENTS FOR HOLLAND WHICH CHALLENGES THE INDIAN CHILD WELFARE ACT AS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

>> IF YOU THINK ABOUT STATES AND CHILD WELFARE CASES, STATES HAVE ALMOST UNILATERAL AUTHORITY WHEN IT COMES TO CHILD CUSTODY CASES WHEN IT INVOLVES STATE RESIDENTS AND STATE COURTS.

IT GIVES THEM A ROLE IN THE CASES THE SAME WAY STATES HAD A ROLE.

IT REQUIRES THE TRIBE TO BE NOTIFIED WHEN AN INDIAN CHILD IS IN A STATE COURT CUSTODY PROCEEDING AND ALLOWS A TRIBE TO TRANSFER THOSE CASES TO TRIBAL COURT WITH THE IDEA BEING THAT THE BEST GOVERNMENT TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT'S BEST FOR INDIAN CHILDREN IS THAT CHILD'S TRIBE.

>> Reporter: CONGRESS PASSED THE INDIAN CHILD WELFARE ACT IN 1978 TO END THE REMOVAL OF INDIGENOUS CHILDREN FROM THEIR HOMES AND COMMUNITIES.

>> SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 25 AND 35% OF ALL INDIAN CHILDREN HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THEIR FAMILIES.

AND WE'RE DELIBERATELY PLACING THEM IN NON-NATIVE INSTITUTIONS AND WITH NON-NATIVE FAMILIES.

>> CONGRESS REALLY, REALLY STUDY AND SPENT YEARS TRYING TO KIND OF TAILOR A SOLUTION TO HOW IT WOULD PROMOTE TRIBAL SELF-GOVERNANCE AND BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF BOTH TRIBAL COMMUNITIES AND INDIAN CHILDREN AS WELL.

>> Reporter: THEY PROVIDES PREFERENCES FOR THE PLACEMENT OF AN INDIAN CHILD IF THE CHILD MUST BE REMOVED FROM THEIR HOME THE LAW STATES AN INDIGENOUS CHILD SHOULD FIRST BE PLACED WITH EXTENDED FAMILY.

IF THAT ISN'T POSSIBLE, THE NEXT SOLUTION IS WITH A TRIBAL MEMBER OF THE SAME TRIBE.

AND IF THAT STILL DOESN'T WORK, THE LAST PREFERENCE GOES TO ANOTHER INDIAN FAMILY NO MATTER THE TRIBE.

>> ANY ONE OF THOSE PREFERENCES CAN BE OVERCOME BY A SHOWING OF GOOD CAUSE; THAT THERE ARE SPECIFIC REASONS THAT THIS CHILD MIGHT BE BETTER OFF IN A SPECIFIC OTHER PLACEMENT, BUT IN THE ABSENCE OF A VERY SPECIFIC SHOWING, THE PREFERENCE IS THAT THE CHILD BELONGS IN ONE OF THOSE SETTINGS.

>> Reporter: THE LAWSUIT, WHICH COMES OUT OF TEXAS, ARGUES THE 44-YEAR-OLD LAW EXCEEDS CONGRESS'S POWER, IMPOSES ON CONSTITUTIONAL RACE-BASED CLASSIFICATIONS AND VIOLATE STATES' RIGHTS.

IN THE HEARING, THE ATTORNEY ARGUED ON BEHALF OF THE PLAINTIFFS THAT CONGRESS DOES NOT HAVE, QUOTE, POWER TO REGULATE INDIANS EVERYWHERE, WHEREVER THEY MIGHT BE IN THE JURISDICTION OF THE UNITED STATES.

BOTH JUSTICE AMY CONEY BARRETT AND JUSTICE NEIL GORSUCH SAID IT GAVE THEM ABSOLUTE POWER TO REGULATE INDIAN AFFAIRS.

THE NEXT ARGUMENT BY THE PLAINTIFFS CLAIMS THE LAW IS BASED ON RACIAL CLASSIFICATIONS THAT VIOLATES THE EQUAL PROTECTION ACT.

>> THE CONSTITUTION ITSELF IDENTIFIES INDIANS AND INDIAN TRIBES AS SUBJECTS FOR SPECIAL LEGISLATION, RIGHT?

IT TREATS THEM IN A WAY THAT THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT TREAT RACIAL GROUPS.

IT TREATS THEM -- IT TREATS TRIBES AS BEING SIMILAR TO, NOT IDENTICAL, BUT SIMILAR TO U.S. STATES AND FOREIGN COUNTRIES AS POLITICAL ENTITIES.

>> THE SCARIEST ARGUMENT THAT'S BEING MADE IS THIS EQUAL PROTECTION CHALLENGE.

THE SUPREME COURT FOR DECADES HAS SAID THAT LAWS THAT APPLY TO INDIVIDUAL INDIANS AS TRIBAL CITIZENS OR INDIAN TRIBES AS A WHOLE ARE NOT BASED ON RACE BECAUSE THEY'RE BASED ON THE TRIBE'S POLITICAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS' RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR TRIBES.

IF THE COURT WERE TO FIND THAT THE LAW WAS BASED ON RACE INSTEAD OF POLITICAL STATUS, THEN THE STATE LAWS WOULD BE SUBJECT TO CHALLENGE.

>> Reporter: THIS IS BECAUSE OKLAHOMA HAS ITS OWN VERSION OF IT.

LASTLY, PLAINTIFFS ARE QUESTIONING IF IT VIOLATES THE 10th AMENDMENT ANTICOME DEERING DOCTRINE .

THE DEFENDANT, WHICH INCLUDE THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION AND VARYING TRIBAL NATIONS, COUNTERED THE ARGUMENT WITH THE PRECEDENT THAT NATIVE AMERICAN CHILDREN HAVE LONG BEEN THE CONCERN OF THE TRIBES AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

JUSTICE GORSUCH ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IF THE PLAINTIFF'S THEORY IS CORRECT, THE SUPREME COURT WILL BE BUSY FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS REVIEWING OTHER INDIAN LAWS.

NOW, THAT SUPREME COURT DECISION CAN BE MADE ANYWHERE BETWEEN NOW AND JUNE OF 2023.

IN TAHLEQUAH, KENNEDY SEPULVADO, THE "OKLAHOMA NEWS REPORT.." >> KENNEDY WAS ALSO ON HAND IN TAHLEQUAH ON TUESDAY WHEN THE CHEROKEE NATION OPENED THE DURBIN FEELING LANGUAGE CENTER.

THE $20 MILLION FACILITY WILL HOUSE ALL OF THE TRIBE'S LANGUAGE PROGRAMS UNDER ONE ROOF FOR THE FIRST TIME.

THE 52,000-SQUARE FOOT FACILITY IS NAMED IN HONOR OF THE LATE DURBIN FEELING, CONSIDERED TO BE THE CHEROKEE NATION'S SINGLE LARGEST CONTRIBUTOR TO THE CHEROKEE LANGUAGE SINCE SEQUOYAH.

>> WE HAD 1890 HOMES THAT SPEAK CHEROKEE.

NOW WE'RE DOWN TO ABOUT 50.

ONLY TWO OF THEM HAS BABIES IN IT, BABIES SPEAKING.

SO, WE'RE WORRIED BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A WORLD THAT'S DYING, BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT IT'S SO PURE, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE IF WE LOSE, IT'S GOING TO HURT THE WHOLE WORLD.

>> THE BUILDING LOCATED ON HIGHWAY 62 INCLUDES 17 CLASSROOMS, A LIBRARY, ARCHIVE ROOM, GYM, AND PLAYGROUND.

>> FOR THE SECOND TIME, FORENSIC SCIENTISTS IN TULSA HAVE DISCOVERED THE REMAINS OF AN ADULT WITH A GUNSHOT WOUND.

VICTIM WAS BURIED IN A PLAIN CASKET IN THE ORIGINAL 18 POTTER'S FIELD AREA.

THERE'S NO CONFIRMATION THE VICTIM WAS RELATED TO THE 1921 TULSA RACE MASSACRE YET.

THE FIRST GUNSHOT VICTIM WAS DISCOVERED LAST YEAR, AND THOSE REMAINS CONTINUE TO UNDERGO DNA ANALYSIS IN UTAH.

THUS FAR, 32 BURIALS HAVE BEEN FOUND AND EIGHT SETS OF REMAINS HAS BEEN EXHUMED.

>> RICHARD GLOSSIP'S REQUEST HAS BEEN DENIED.

HE'S ON DEATH ROW FOR THE MURDER OF BARRY VAN TREESE.

GLOSSIP'S ATTORNEY CONTENDS THE STATE DESTROYED EVIDENCE AND THAT A KEY WITNESS AGAINST GLOSSIP WANTS TO RECANT HIS STATEMENT.

GLOSSIP HAS HIS DEFENDERS, INCLUDING STATE REPRESENTATIVE KEVIN McDUGLE WHO SAYS THE COURT OF COURT OF APPEALS GOT IT WRONG.

>> AT SOME POINT, OUR STATE HAS TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO TAKES RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE THINGS WE DID 25 YEARS AGO.

THOSE THINGS I'M TALKING ABOUT ARE DESTROYING A BOX OF EVIDENCE WITH TEN ITEMS OF IT, SOME OF WHICH HAD DNA IN IT, MISSING VIDEO IN THE RICHARD GLOSSIP CASE.

IT'S A BIG DEAL BECAUSE THAT VIDEO WOULD HAVE TOLD US WHO WAS WITH WHO GOING THROUGH THAT GAS STATION THAT NIGHT.

>> McDUGLE IS CONSIDERING INTRODUCING LEGISLATION THAT COULD ADD ANOTHER MECHANISM TO THE EVIDENCE REVIEW PROCESS IN DEATH PENALTY CASES.

GLOSSIP'S NEW EXECUTION DATE HAS BEEN SET FOR FEBRUARY 16th.

>> LET'S RECAP THE WEEK'S STATEWIDE ECONOMIC NEWS.

HERE IS JASON DOYLE, ONCE AGAIN, WITH THE "OKLAHOMA BUSINESS REVIEW."

>> OKLAHOMA CITY RESIDENTS LAST MONTH SAW THE BIGGEST YEAR OVER YEAR INCREASE IN RENT WHEN COMPARED TO THE TOP 50 CITIES IN THE U.S.

RENTERS ARE PAYING 31.7% MORE THAN A YEAR AGO ACCORDING TO REAL ESTATE BROKERAGE REDFIN.

NATIONWIDE, THE INCREASE IN RENT IS SLOWING AND ROSE 7.8% OVER OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR.

REALTOR.COM SHOWS THE AVERAGE REPRESENT IN OKLAHOMA CITY NOW STANDS AT $946 A MONTH.

DALLAS-BASED IRON HORSE MIDSTREAM IS PLANNING TO BUILD A NATURAL GAS PROCESSING PLANT IN GRADY COUNTY.

THE PLANT WILL BE ABLE TO HANDLE 200 MILLION CUBIC FEET PER DAY.

THE COMPANY ALREADY HAS A PRESENCE IN OKLAHOMA'S SCOOP AND STACK PLAY AND THE NEW PLANT WILL PUSH IRON HORSE'S PROCESSING CAPACITY IN THE AREA TO 425 MILLION CUBIC FEET A DAY.

THE NEW PLANT IS EXPECTED TO BE OPERATIONAL IN LATE 2023.

THE OLD GLORY HOLDING COMPANY, STARTED BY COUNTRY SINGER JOHN RICH, FORMER SECRETARY OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT Dr. BEN CARSON AND LARRY ELDER IS BUYING THE FIRST STATE BANK OF ELMORE CITY.

THE BANK WILL BE RENAMED OLD GLORY BANK.

IT WILL OFFER NO-FEE ACCOUNTS, FREE OVERDRAFT PROTECTION, FREE ATMs AND EARLY DIRECT DEPOSIT ACCESS.

OKLAHOMA CITY-BASED CAIRONETIC HAS WON CLEARANCE FOR THE VSP, AUGMENTED REALITY VISUALIZATION SEVERE WEATHER FOR COMPLEX SVRGS.

THE SOFTWARE TAKES CT AND MRI SCANS AND PRODUCES A THREE-DIMENSIONAL HOLOGRAM IN AN AUGMENTED REALITY HEADSET.

IT CAN ALSO BE USED AS THE SURGERY IS BEING PERFORMED.

AS IT CONTINUES TO BACKGROUND ITS FACILITIES, ELECTRIC VEHICLE COMPANY CANOO IS GOING TO PURCHASE A VEHICLE MANUFACTURING FACILITY IN OKLAHOMA CITY PRODUCING TWO MODELS IN THE FACILITY WHICH ARE EXPECTED TO ROLL OUT TO CUSTOMERS IN 2023.

THEY SAY THE OKLAHOMA CITY FACILITY WILL EMPLOY MORE THAN 500 PEOPLE AND PRODUCE 20,000 UNITS BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR.

THERE'S ALSO CAPACITY TO EXPAND THE SITE IF NEEDED.

IN ITS THIRD-QUARTER FINANCIAL REPORT, THEY SAY THEY BOOKED $200 MILLION IN ORDERS.

JASON DOYLE, THE "OKLAHOMA BUSINESS REVIEW."

>> THANKS.

THE OKLAHOMA SOOPERS ARE ASKING THEIR FANS TO HELP THEM REMAIN COMPETITIVE IN THE WORLD OF NIL SPONSORSHIPS.

NIL, WHICH STANDS FOR NAME, IMAGE AND LIKENESS HAS TRANSFORMED THE COLLEGE LANDSCAPE AND NOW THEY WANT TO RAISE $3 MILLION IN 30 DAYS TO HELP FUND NIL OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEIR STUDENT ATHLETES.

THE SCHOOL WANTS 4200 FANS TO PAY A MONTHLY $25 COMMITMENT THAT WILL BE DOUBLED BY ANONYMOUS DONORS.

FANS WILL RECEIVE A CRIMSON AND CREAM SUBSCRIPTION AND OTHER INCENTIVES.

IF YOU'VE GONE SHOPPING FOR YOUR THANKSGIVING MEAL THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE TO FEED THE FAMILY THIS YEAR.

IN THIS WEEK'S IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION, MODERATOR SUSAN CADOT GETS SOME ADVICE FROM THE EXPERTS ON HOW TO STRETCH YOUR FOOD BUDGET DOLLAR DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON.

>> WELL, THE PRICE OF A THANKSGIVING MEAL IN 2021, RICH, WAS 17.25% HIGHER THAN IN 2020.

THIS YEAR, EXPECT TO PAY ANOTHER 14% MORE OVER THAT 2021 PRICE.

HERE TO DISCUSS ALL THINGS FOOD AND MONEY WITH ME ARE OUR TWO GUESTS.

I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THEM TO EVERYONE RIGHT NOW.

SEAN CUMMINGS IS THE OWNER OF THE SEAN CUMMINGS IRISH PUB.

WE HAVE RODNEY HOLCOMB WHO IS AN PROFESSOR.

RODNEY, WE WILL START WITH YOU FIRST.

WHAT ARE SOME OF THE MOST POPULAR ITEMS THAT FOLKS CAN EXPECT TO SEE GO UP IN PRICE?

THIS WEEKEND IT WILL BE CRAZY AT ALL THE GROCERY STORES.

>> TRUE.

SOME OF THE BIGGEST CHANGES YOU WILL SEE IN PRICES, TURKEY, OF COURSE, THAT'S A BIG ONE.

THAT'S FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.

DEPENDING ON WHICH DATA SOURCE YOU USE, TURKEY PRICES, COMPARED TO LAST YEAR, UP ANYWHERE FROM 20-40%.

AND YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT 35-40 IS THE MOST LIKELY DIFFERENCE IN PRICE.

A LOT OF THAT COMES BACK TO ISSUE WITH AVIAN FLU.

WE LOST A LOT OF FLOCKS.

I DON'T THINK WE WILL RUN OUT OF BIRDS.

HOWEVER, LOOKING FOR THE VARIETY.

THE SIZE OF BIRD YOU WANT, PREPARED READY TO GO THE WAY YOU WANT MAY BE MORE CHALLENGING.

MAY NOT HAVE AS MANY OPTIONS.

TO GET WHAT YOU WANT, YOU'LL HAVE TO SEARCH FOR IT.

YOU'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO PAY MORE FOR IT.

>> THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS, SEAN, THAT ARE GOING UP IN PRICE.

WE'VE GOT EGGS.

WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT EGGS.

32-43% MORE.

BUTTER WENT UP.

DOES THIS MAKE AN IMPACT ON THE GROCERY BILL, HOW MUCH IT COST TO HAVE A MEAL?

>> I THINK WITHOUT A DOUBT, EVERYBODY GETS ONE DOLLARED TO DEATH.

IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE US NOT BUY IT, BUT IT'S ENOUGH TO MAKE US GO, GOD, WHAT ARE THEY DOING?

EGGS HAVE DOUBLED.

TURKEYS ARE HARD TO COME BY.

THERE'S A TURKEY TENDER LOIN.

YOU'RE NOT CARVING IT.

ALL MEAT.

THAT WAY YOU CAN ROAST IT.

YOU'RE DONE IN 40 MINUTES.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE HIGH PRICE.

YOU HAVE THE CHOICE OF GOING TO PORK OR SOME ITEMS.

DO SOMETHING DIFFERENCE.

>> ARE THERE OTHER ITEMS, MEAT ITEMS THAT ARE CHEAPER THAN TURKEY OR POULTRY RIGHT NOW?

>> COMPARATIVELY, PORK HAS NOT SEEN THE BIG INCREASE IN PRICES THAT WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER ANIMAL PROTEIN SOURCES.

BEEF HAS TAKEN A 20 PLUS% DROP.

YOU SEE A LOT MORE PEOPLE INTERESTED IN A BRISKET THIS YEAR.

NOW, THAT SEEMS LIKE, OH, THAT'S AMAZINGLY LARGE DECREASE IN PRICE COMPARED TO LAST YEAR.

BUT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, BEEF PRICES HAVE BEEN AT RECORD HIGHS.

WE'RE STILL GETTING A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK COMPARED TO TURKEYS, BUT IT'S AN OPTION.

>> IT SEEMS A LITTLE LESS PAINFUL.

NOW, YOU WERE TALKING EARLIER, SEAN, ABOUT GOING TO DIFFERENT STORES.

ALDI AND WALMART HAVE BEEN ADVERTISING LAST YEAR'S PRICES.

>> WINCO, HERE IN OKLAHOMA CITY, IF YOU SPEND $125, YOU GET A FREE TURKEY, LITERALLY.

IF YOU GO THERE EARLY IN THE DAY, 99 CENTS A POUND.

THE CHEAPER STORES, YOU CAN GET DEALS.

THE OTHER THINGLY TELL YOU, GO THROUGH YOUR CABINETS AND SEE WHAT YOU HAVE AROUND.

>> WELL, THIS IS KIND OF FUNNY.

AS I WAS DOING MY RESEARCH, SEVERAL ITEMS GOT LESS EXPENSIVE.

FRESH FRUIT FELL.

UNCOOKED BEEF ROSE AND HOT DOGS AND BREAKFAST SAUSAGE WENT DOWN AND FRESH DOUGHNUTS.

WE COULD HAVE HOT DOGS AND DOUGHNUTS AND SAVE MONEY THIS YEAR.

ARE THERE WAYS YOU CAN COOK THINGS -- YOU GOT TO HAVE BUTTER WHEN YOU'RE COOKING A THANKSGIVING MEAL.

>> YOU GOT TO HAVE POUNDS OF BUTTER.

I RUB TURKEY DOWN WITH IT AND LIFT THE SKIN UP AND PUT IT UNDERNEATH BEFORE I PUT THE HERBS IN.

MAKE CHIPS AND SALSA.

THAT'S SOMETHING THE FAMILY CAN BE INVOLVED IN.

EVERYBODY EVERYBODY LIKES CHIPS AND SALSA.

DO SOME QUESO AND DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

ANY RACE DISHES, RICE HASN'T GONE UP, EVEN IF IT HAS, IT'S MINUSCULE.

>> YOU'RE REALLY UP TO DATE AND YOU'RE TEACHING THE STUDENTS APT OSU ABOUT THIS.

WHAT DOES THE GENERAL BUYER OR SHOPPER NEED TO KNOW?

WHAT CAN THEY GO TO MAYBE TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF THE STING OUT.

MAN, I NEVER USED TO PAY THIS MUCH WHEN I WOULD CHECK OUT.

WHAT CAN WE DO, NOT ONLY FOR OUR HOLIDAY MEAL, BUT OVERALL?

>> SEAN HIT ON PART OF IT.

THAT IS YOU START LOOKING AT THE OPTIONS.

>> WHAT ARE YOUR ALTERNATIVES?

WHAT ARE THINGS I CAN SUBSTITUTE?

SO FOR A LOT OF CONSUMERS, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.

THEY'RE GOING TO FIND ITEMS, NOT ALL OF THEM, THERE ARE THE TRADITIONAL ITEMS YOU HAVE TO HAVE.

THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU WILL HAVE, EVEN IF IT'S HIGHER PRICE, YOU'LL SAY, I'LL BITE THE BULLET SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I'LL CUT EXPENSES SOMEWHERE ELSE TO MAKE SURE I'VE GOT THE GROCERY BUDGET TO ENSURE I HAVE THESE HANDFUL OF THE DISHES ON THE TABLE THANKSGIVING DAY.

EVERYTHING ELSE, WE'LL FIND SOME OPTIONS, WE'LL CHANGE SOME INGREDIENTS, WE'LL LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES.

LIKE YOU SAID, SHOP AROUND, SEE WHAT YOU CAN FIND.

THE CONCEPT ABOUT THE TURKEY TENDERLOIN, IT'S A PERFECT IDEA THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T THINK ABOUT.

WE SEE A LOT OF VERY LARGE TOM BIRDS.

THE TOM BIRDS, THEY'RE VERY BIG.

THEY'RE BEING PIECED OUT, SO YOUR TURKEY SAUSAGE AND ALL OF THAT.

BUT THE TURKEY TENDERLOIN, THAT'S A CUT WHERE PEOPLE SAY, I DON'T NEED A WHOLE BIRD.

THIS WILL WORK FOR ME.

I'LL DO THAT TO SHAVE A FEW DOLLARS OFF.

>> I NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.

YOU KNOW, MY MOTHER WILL JUST GET A TURKEY BREAST.

I SAID, YOU KNOW, OUR KIDS LIKE THE DRUMSTICKS.

AND SO, SHE BOUGHT THE DRUMSTICKS.

THERE ARE WAYS TO PIECE THINGS TOGETHER.

IS THERE A NOTICEABLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GENERIC ITEMS AND NAME BRAND ITEMS?

I'VE HEARD IT BOTH WAYS.

DISSPELL THE MYTH.

>> HE CAN GIVE YOU THE PRODUCTION END BECAUSE HE KNOWS THIS WAY BETTER.

LOOK AT THE CANNING.

IF IT'S CANNED OR BOTTLED AND THE BOTTLE LOOKS LIKE ANOTHER BOTTLE, YOU KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM IF YOU LIKE THE ORIGINAL THING.

IF YOU BUY A PLAIN LABEL, SOMETHING THAT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE YOU USUALLY BUY, IT PROBABLY CAME FROM THERE.

IT'S CALLED CO-PACKING.

THEY JUST DO UNDER THEIR OWN NAME.

>> THAT'S CLOSE TO CORRECT.

I'LL GIVE YOU INSIGHTS INTO THE WORLD OF AN ECONOMIST.

OUR FAMOUS ANSWER FOR EVERYTHING IS TWO WORDS, IT DEPENDS.

YOU WILL SEE THAT PRIVATE LABEL, THAT STORE BRAND IS EITHER IDENTICAL OR VERY, VERY CLOSE TO IDENTICAL.

SO YOU DON'T SEE THOSE BIG DIFFERENCES.

IT IS THE BRAND IMAGE.

THERE ARE STUDIES -- THERE'S A MYRIAD OF STUDIES ABOUT WHY PEOPLE BUY A SPECIFIC BRAND WHEN THERE IS A LOWER-COST ITEM RIGHT NEXT TO IT THAT IS VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL.

YOU'LL SEE THAT A LOT WITH -- EVEN COMMODITY MILK, THREE DIFFERENT BRANDS OF MILK SITTING NEXT TO EACH OTHER ON THE STORE SHELVE, THEY PROBABLY CAME OUT OF THE SAME FACILITY, SAME DAY, SAME TIME.

ABOUT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE LABEL.

HOWEVER, IF YOU WANT TO SAVE MONEY, LOOK AT THOSE OPTIONS.

>> YOU KNOW, I WAS CONVINCED I HAD A FEW MORE STEMS OR SOMETHING IN THE GENETIC ITEM THAT I BOUGHT THAN NORMAL, OR A FEW MORE END PIECES.

BUT THAT MIGHT BE PSYCH SOMATIC.

OH, I'M BUYING THIS GENERIC.

IT'S INFERIOR.

>> THAT COULD BE.

IT COMES BACK TO THAT, IT DEPENDS.

SOME ITEMS ARE MUCH CLOSER GENERIC OR STORE BRAND VERSUS THE BIG NATIONAL BRAND VERSUS OTHERS.

AND IN SOME CASES, YOU DO SEE THE QUALITY STANDARDS LOWERED A LITTLE BIT FOR THINGS LIKE GREEN BEANS BECAUSE I'VE NOTICED SOME OF THE SAME THINGS.

YOU WILL SEE, OCCASIONALLY, CATCH A FEW MORE STEMS.

FOR A LOT OF FOOD ITEMS, IT'S SURPRISING HOW GOOD THE QUALITY OF A PRIVATE LABEL OR STORE BRAND IS.

>> IF YOU PUT ENOUGH BACON IN THERE, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

>> BUTTER.

WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT BUTTER IN THERE, TOO.

>> TRUTH FROM THE CHEF HERE WE HAVE, JUST ADD BACON AND BUTTER AND YOU'RE GOOD TO GO.

>> YEP.

>> IF IT DOESN'T TASTE RIGHT, TRY SALT.

[ Laughter ] >> I WILL.

I'M GOING TO USE THAT.

I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT VEGETABLES BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING AHEAD TIME, VEGETABLES, RAW VEGETABLES, THEY'VE GONE UP OR GONE DOWN.

WHAT ARE THE AREAS THEY'VE GONE DOWN.

>> WELL, WE SEE SOME OF THE PRICES HAVE GONE UP, ESPECIALLY FOR FROZEN OR CANNED.

A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH ENERGY PRICES, ENERGY PRICES AND EMPLOYEE PRICES.

AS A CHEF, SOMEONE WHO OWNS AN IRISH.

YOU'VE PROBABLY ALREADY SEEN THIS.

IT COST MORE TO KEEP YOUR EMPLOYEES WORKING.

THEY'VE GOT OPTIONS.

WE'VE SEEN WAGES RISE.

WE'VE SEEN A HUGE INCREASE IN ENERGY PRICES.

DIESEL HAS GONE UP.

THAT'S HAD AN IMPACT.

WE SEE THE SAME THING IN FRESH PRODUCE IN INCREASE IN COST BECAUSE THOSE INPUTS THAT ARE ENERGY RELATED, WHETHER IT'S FUEL OR FERTILIZER, THEY'VE GONE UP.

WE'VE SEEN SOME CHANGES IN SOME FRUITS AND VEGETABLES, BUT IRONICAL, IN OTHER CASES, WE'VE SEEN SOME DROPS, AND IT MAY JUST BE A SHIFT IN TASTE AND PREFERENCES.

THIS WAS THE HOT ITEM LAST YEAR.

IT'S DROPPED OFF, BUT THE PRODUCERS DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GOING TO DROP OFF, SO THEY GREW A LOT.

IN ECONOMICS, YOU CALL THAT THE FALLACY OF COMPOSITION.

EVERYBODY THOUGHT THE BOAT WAS LEANING THIS WAY, SO THEY LEANED TO THE OTHER, AND THAT'S WHERE IT HAPPENS.

>> DROUGHT WAS THE REASON YOU WERE SAYING, RODNEY, BEEF PRICES WERE LOWER, BECAUSE A LOT OF RANCHERS HAD TO OFF-LOAD CATTLE BEFORE ANTICIPATED.

>> HEY, BUY WHAT IS CHEAP RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE MARKET.

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY A PREMIUM PRICE.

>> FROM A RESTAURATEUR'S POINT OF VIEW, SEAN, HAS IT BEEN DIFFICULT IN THE PAST YEAR?

HAVE YOU HAD TO INCREASE PRICES?

>> I'M SORRY.

I'M LAUGHING BECAUSE IT'S SO WEIRD.

EVERYTHING IS WEIRD.

I JUST HAD TO BUY A CASE OF ICEBERG LETTUCE BECAUSE THAT IS ALL THERE WAS.

THERE WAS NO ROMAINE, SPRING MIX, NOTHING ELSE.

YOU GET THAT WHOLESALE.

>> WOW.

WE'RE GOING TO COME IN AND SEE WHAT MAGIC YOU WORK WITH.

>> YOU GOT TO BE NIMBLE NOW.

>> YEAH, LETTUCE HAS JUMPED 17.7%.

POTATOES, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF MASHED POTATOES.

THOSE ARE UP.

BREAD, RICE AND COFFEE WENT UP.

I STILL BUY MY COFFEE.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO AWAY.

PIE, EVERYBODY, I'M SORRY, BUT PIE HAS GONE UP 20.4%.

>> RIGHT.

BUT YOU CAN STILL GET A NICE APPLE OR PUMPKIN PIE FOR $9.

>> OKAY.

>> IT ALL ADDS UP.

DO YOU SEE AN END TO THIS, ANYTHING GOING BACK DOWN?

OR WILL PRICES STAY AT THIS RATE?

>> I WILL TELL YOU THAT POTATOES HAVE DROPPED IN HALF.

SO, THEY WERE UP TO $50 A BAG, WHICH IS A $1 A POUND.

THEY'VE DROPPED BACK DOWN TO 20.

>> ARE YOU SEEING POTATOES GO DOWN?

>> BACK TO ALMOST NORMAL.

18 WAS NORMAL, 20 IS WHERE WE ARE.

>> WOO, WE'RE HAVING MASHED POTATOES FOR THANKSGIVING.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DO WITH DROUGHT.

WE HAVE SOME LEGITIMATE ISSUES WITH CALIFORNIA PRODUCE FROM HERE ON OUT.

WE HAVE TO FIND SOMEWHERE TO SOURCE IT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.

>> WHEN YOU'RE TALKING FOOD PRODUCTION, THINGS THAT HAPPEN ON THE FARM, RANCH, YOU'RE SUBJECT TO MOTHER NATURE, AND SO WHATEVER HAPPENS.

EVERY YEAR YOU'RE ROLLING THE DICE HOPING YOU'LL HAVE A GOOD YEAR.

THIS YEAR WASN'T A GOOD YEAR FOR A LOT OF FOLKS.

WE'LL SEE THE SUPPLY CHAIN MAY BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE HAD A TON OF RAIN.

NOT EVERY YEAR IS A DROUGHT YEAR.

WE'LL SEE NEXT YEAR.

ALSO, I THINK A LOT OF THINGS YOU SEE PRICES TEND TO BE -- YOU CAN EITHER REFER TO THEM STICKY UPWARD OR DOWNWARD.

THEY STAY AT ONE PRICE AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET THE PRICE INCREASED.

THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, BECAUSE OF COVID, BECAUSE OF HUGE SPIKES IN FUEL PRICES AND JUST ENERGY PRICES OVERALL, YOU'VE SEEN SOME PRICES THAT MAY HAVE STAYED VERY CLOSE TO THE SAME FOR YEARS, NOW THEY'VE MADE THAT ADJUSTMENT UP, AND THEY'RE ACCOUNTING FOR INFLATION, THEY'RE ACCOUNTING FOR ENERGY PRICES AND THEY MAY NOT COME BACK DOWN.

IF THEY DO, THEY'LL BE VERY SLOWLY TO MOVE BACK DOWN.

>> OKAY.

>> GOT TO ROLL WITH IT.

>> THANKSGIVING, AND THIS WILL STAND FOR CHRISTMAS, I DON'T SEE MUCH OF A CHANGE HAPPENING BETWEEN THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS FOR THE PRICES, RIGHT.

>> YES.

>> WHAT ABOUT ORDERING YOUR TEAL FROM A RESTAURANT.

WILL PRICES INCREASE THERE?

>> DO ALL YOUR RESTAURANT OWNERS GET TOGETHER AND DISCUSS THESE THINGS?

>> NONE OF US HAVE ENOUGH EMPLOYEES AND NONE OF US HAVE SEEN EACH OTHER FOR THREE YEARS.

WE JUST WORK.

OUR PRICES, IN GENERAL, ARE UP 15-20%.

YOU KNOW, WE EAT IT FOR A WHILE AND EVENTUALLY IT GOES UP.

IT JUST DEPENDS ON -- YOU KNOW, LIKE, I CAN FIND THE BARGAINS EVERY DAY.

MOST PEOPLE CAN'T TAKE THAT TIME.

>> THANK YOU.

THIS WAS REALLY GOOD INFORMATION.

I'M GOING TO TRY OUT THOSE VALUE BRANDS AGAIN AND TRY TO TAKE MY MENTAL STATE OUT OF IT.

THANK YOU.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING US.

>> YEAH.

>> HAVE A WONDERFUL HOLIDAY.

RICH, BACK TO YOU.

>> YEE, THAT WAS A CONVERSATION.

IN THIS WEEK'S NATIONAL VIEW WE HEAD APPROPRIATELY TO THE MILE-HIGH CITY WHERE OUR PBS PARTNERS IN COLORADO INTRODUCE US TO THE DENVER MOMS WHO ARE MICRO-DOSING ON PSILOCYBIN MUSHROOMS TO ENHANCE THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE.

>> IS MICRO-DOSING JUST A WORD TO SAY I'M DOING DRUGS?

I LOVE THAT QUESTION.

FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T CONSIDER PSYCHEDELICS TO BE DRUGS.

OR, A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, ALL THINGS ARE DRUGS.

SUGAR IS A DRUG.

COFFEE IS A DRUG.

ALCOHOL IS A DRUG.

DRUG IN THE NEGATIVE CONNOTATION I THINK IS A CHANGING DEFINITION.

SO, NO, MICRO-DOSING IS AN INTENTIONAL PRACTICE I THINK THAT SHOULD BE USED FOR HEALING, AND THAT IS THE INTENT.

>> WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS IT KIND OF MAKES YOU 10% OF SOMETHING, 10% HAPPIER, 10% MORE PATIENT, 10% MORE CREATIVE OR OPEN.

>> THE THING ABOUT MICRO-DOSING THAT IS HARD FOR WESTERN CULTURE TO WRAP OUR BRAINS AROUND IS THAT IT'S NOT MEDICINE YOU GET FROM WALGREENS.

THERE'S NO REAL RIGHT OR WRONG WAY TO DO IT.

EXCEPT THAT, IN MY OPINION, JUST SWALLOWING DOWN A CAPSULE AND THINKING IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE IS THE WRONG WAY.

IT DOES REQUIRE WORK.

>> FOR ME, THE WAY THAT MICRO-DOSING IS DIFFERENT THAT IT STILL ALLOWS ME TO BE FULLY PRESENT IN THE THINGS THAT I'M EXPERIENCING, SO I STILL HAVE REALLY HIGH HIGHS AND I STILL HAVE REALLY LOW LOWS AND THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT I FEEL I AM ABLE TO HANDLE THEM AND NAVIGATE THEM A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY AND MORE EFFECTIVELY IN WAYS THAT ARE HEALTHY.

>> MICRO-DOSING IS TAKING AROUND ONE-TENTH OF A LARGE DOSE AND A LARGE DOSE IS WHAT PEOPLE TRADITIONALLY USE, ESPECIALLY IN ORIGINAL CULTURES AND ANCIENT FOR A JOURNEY, WHICH IS WHERE YOU DO KIND OF GO INTO THE MULTIVERSE AND TALK TO GOD.

AND YOU SEE THINGS.

THAT'S VERY POWERFUL, TOO.

A MICRO-DOSE TAKES THAT AND DISTILLS IT DOWN TO A TINY, TINY AMOUNT OF PSILOCYBIN SO THAT YOU CAN FULLY FUNCTION DAY-TO-DAY, YOU CAN DRIVE, BE WITH YOUR CHILDREN, GO TO WORK, ALL THE THINGS.

WHAT YOU'RE NOTICING IS THAT YOUR NEGATIVE PATTERNS ARE STARTING TO CHANGE.

WITH MICRO-DOSING, THE NUMBER-ONE THING THAT PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW IS IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE YOU FEEL ANYTHING.

AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT HALLUCINATING.

IT'S NOT THE '60s TRIP THAT EVERYONE IS AFRAID OF.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO JUMP OFF A BUILDING, YOU'RE NOT FRYING YOUR BRAIN LIKE AN EGG.

>> EVEN AS A MUSICIAN, IT HELPS WITH CREATIVITY AND LEVELING YOU UP.

IT HELPS, YOU KNOW, REALLY TAKE SOMETIMES, LIKE, A SPIN OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A TRAJECTORY OF HOW I'M FEELING, MAYBE IT'S NEGATIVE OR DEPRESSIVE OR ANTISOCIAL AND THEN I'LL MICRO-DOSE AND GO ON A HIKE AND FEEL WAY MORE CONNECTED WITH NATURE.

>> IT ALSO ALLOWS ME TO BE MORE PRESENT WITH MY CHILDREN BECAUSE I'M MORE PATIENT.

IT ALLOWS ME TO BE MORE CREATIVE AND OPEN COMMUNICATOR AT MY JOB AND ALLOWED ME TO SHOW UP IN MY RELATIONSHIPS IN A MORE AUTHENTIC WAY.

MICRO-DOSING HAS REALLY FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE HOW I MOVE IN THE WORLD AND NAVIGATE RELATIONSHIPS FROM MY CHILDREN ALL THE WAY TO MY PROFESSIONAL COLLEAGUES.

>> I FELT A CALM AND A SPACE BETWEEN MY WORDS THAT I HADN'T FELT BEFORE.

AND SLOWLY, OVER TIME, BECAUSE PSILOCYBIN HELPS REWORK YOUR NEURAL PATHWAYS, I STARTED TO CHANGE A LOT OF BAD HABITS, A LOT OF REPEATING HABITS AND KIND OF CAME INTO MYSELF.

>> INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, MOST PEOPLE THAT I TALK TO ABOUT MICRO-DOSING, THEY ASK A WHOLE LOT OF QUESTIONS, THEY HAVE A LOT OF CURIOSITIES AND NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN, THEY'RE CALLING ME UP AND SAY, HOW DO I GET IT.

>> MICRO-DOSING IS THE SAME WAY YOU TAKE AN ANTIDEPRESSANT.

THAT'S WHAT MICRO-DOSING IS.

IT'S NOT DOING DRUGS.

YOUR PERCEPTION ISN'T CHANGING.

YOU'RE NOT FEELING A DIFFERENCE IN HOW YOU SHOW UP IN THE WORLD AGAIN, LIKE TRIPPING.

SO, NO, I DON'T THINK SO IT'S DOING DRUGS AT ALL.

I THINK IT'S HEALING.

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