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IN NEW YORK SITTING IN FOR CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR.

WITH MILLIONS TRAPPED INSIDE GAZA UNDER SIEGE AND UNDER FIRE, THE HUMANITARIAN SITUATION SPIRALS TOWARDS CATASTROPHE.

NOW PRESIDENT BIDEN SAYS HE SUPPORTS A HUMANITARIAN PAUSE IN HOPES OF GETTING AID IN AND HOSTAGES OUT.

>> I WANT TO THANK OUR PARTNERS IN THE REGION AND PARTICULARLY QATAR WHO HAVE WORKED SO CLOSELY WITH US TO SUPPORT NEGOTIATIONS TO FACILITATE THE DEPAR PARTURE OF THESE CITIZENS.

AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE WORKING TO SIGNIFICANTLY STEP UP THE FLOW OF CRITICAL HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE INTO GAZA.

THE NUMBER OF TRUCKS ENTERING GAZA CONTINUES TO INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY, BUT WE STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO.

THE UNITED STATES IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO DRIVE HUMANITARIAN SUPPORT FOR INNOCENT PEOPLE IN GAZA WHO NEED HELP, AND THEY DO NEED HELP.

WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO AFFIRM THAT ISRAEL HAS THE RIGHT AND RESPONSIBILITY TO DEFEND ITS CITIZENS FROM TERROR, AND IT NEEDS TO DO SO IN A MANNER CONSISTENT WITH INTERNATIONAL AND HUMANITARIAN LAW THAT PRIORITIZES PROTECTION OF CITIZENS.

>> THE ISRAEL DEFENSE FORCE'S CHIEF SAYS HIS TROOPS ON THE GROUND ARE OPERATING IN VERY SIGNIFICANT AREAS OF GAZA CITY.

>>> MEANWHILE, EVEN VETERAN AID WORKERS ARE OVERWHELMED BY CONDITIONS THERE.

HOSPITALS ARE STRUGGLING TO TREAT INJURED PATIENTS LACKING ESSENTIAL MEDICAL SUPPLIES, FUEL, AND FRESH-WATER.

AND AS ISRAEL'S BOMBARDMENT CONTINUES THE U.N. REPORTS WOMEN AND CHILDREN MAKE UP THE MAJORITY OF FATALITIES.

PHILIPPE LAZZARINI IS COMMISSIONER OF THE UNITED NATIONS AGENCY PROVIDING RELIEF FOR PALESTINIAN REFUGEES.

HE SPOKE WITH CHRISTIANE EARLIER IN HIS FIRST INTERVIEW SINCE VISITING GAZA CALLING FOR A HUMANITARIAN CEASE-FIRE AND SAYING THE SCALE OF THE TRAGEDY IS UNPRECEDENTED.

>> PHILIPPE LAZZARINI, WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

CAN I START BY ASKING YOU SOME NEWS THAT HAS COME IN, SUGGESTIONS THAT ISRAELI MILITARY ACTION MAY HAVE AFFECTED A SCHOOL IN THE JUBALLIA CAMP.

DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT?

WHAT CAN YOU TELL SNUS.

>> INDEED I'M RECEIVING EXTRAORDINARY DIFFICULT NEWS ABOUT THE SCHOOLS IN JABALIA.

IN FACT, OVER THE LAST TWO HOURS I'VE RECEIVED REPORTS OF THREE OF OUR SCHOOLS SHELTERING ABOUT 20,000 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HIT.

THIS REPORTEDLY HAS LED TO THE DEATHS OF MORE THAN 20 PEOPLE IN JABALIA, AND ALSO ONE PERSON.

>> SORRY, IS THAT 20 SHELTERING CIVILIANS?

IS THAT 20 OF YOUR OFFICIALS?

>> THIS IS OUR OFFICIAL SCHOOLS WHERE WE SHELTER A NUMBER OF DISPLACED PERSONS IN THE NORTH OF GAZA.

THIS SHELTER WHICH ARE CLEARLY NOTIFIED, LOCALIZATION IS EXTREMELY WELL-KNOWN AND WE HAD THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE AT THE TIME THIS SHELTER HAS BEEN HIT.

AND THE FIRST REPORT COMING OUT OF JABALIA INDICATING THAT MORE THAN 20 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED.

>> PHILIPPE LAZZARINI, YOU HAVE JUST SAID YOU HAVE NOTIFIED THE ISRAELIS AND THEY KNOW VERY WELL THESE LOCATIONS.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHY YOU BELIEVE -- BECAUSE IT'S REALLY I'M AFRAID A CONTESTED TOPIC RIGHT NOW.

WHY DO YOU THINK THESE CIVILIAN AREAS ARE BEING HIT?

>> SO, LISTEN, THE FIGHTING IS TAKING PLACE IN OVERCROWDED AREAS, IN URBAN AREAS.

WE KNOW ALSO FIGHTING IS TAKING PLACE IN GAZA CITY RIGHT NOW, BUT WE HAVE STILL -- WE ESTIMATE THAT THERE ARE STILL AROUND 3 TO 400,000 CIVILIANS IN THESE AREAS.

TAKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE JABALIA CAMP, IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST CROWDED CAMP IN THE GAZA STRIP, BUT WE STILL BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE AROUND 40,000 PEOPLE REMAINING THERE.

SO, YES, BIG INFRASTRUCTURE INCLUDING THE SCHOOL UNFORTUNATELY HAVE BEEN ALSO HIT DURING THIS FIGHTING, AND PEOPLE SHELTERING THERE BASICALLY ARE NOT MORE SAFE THAN ANYWHERE ELSE.

>> DO YOU -- I MEAN HOW DO YOU CATEGORIZE THIS THEN?

IS IT ACCIDENTAL?

IS IT A WAR CRIME?

IS IT DELIBERATELY NOT DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN CIVILIAN AND HAMAS FIGHTERS?

>> LISTEN, ACCORDING TO INTERNATIONAL LAW THERE IS PROPORTIONALITY AND DISTINCTION.

WHEN THERE WAS A BRIEFING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE KILL SO FAR IS SO STAGGERING THIS CANNOT BE COLLATERAL ANYMORE.

>> COULD I ASK YOU BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING TO YOU AND WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY, YOU HAVE BEEN INSIDE GAZA FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE OCTOBER 7th.

YOU'VE CALLED IT, I BELIEVE, THE MOST SAD, SAD DAY IN ALL YOUR HUMANITARIAN WORK.

TALK TO ME ABOUT THAT.

>> LISTEN, I HAVE BEEN FIRST TO GAZA 40 YEARS AGO.

GAZA IS A SOCIETY I KNOW VERY WELL.

IT WAS A VIBRANT SOCIETY.

IT WAS EXTRAORDINARILY SAD BECAUSE I VISITED A SCHOOL, OVERCROWDED SCHOOL SHELTERING THOUSANDS OF DISPLACED PEOPLE, AND BASICALLY THE ONLY ASK THAT PEOPLE HAD AT THAT HAD WAS, PLEASE, GIVE ME WATER.

PLEASE, GIVE ME A LOAF OF BREAD.

AND LATER ON I WAS TALKING TO MY STAFF IN GAZA, AND THEY WERE CONFIRMING THAT TODAY THE GAZA STRIP IS RUNNING OUT OF EVERYTHING.

RUNNING OUT OF FUEL, RUNNING OUT OF WATER, RUNNING OUT OF FOOD, RUNNING OUT OF MEDICINE.

AND THE MARKET IS COMPLETELY DEPLETED.

AND IT'S EXTREMELY SAD TO SEE HOW MUCH NOW THIS POPULATION IS COMPLETELY DEPENDENT ON THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY WHICH IS NOT IN A POSITION ANYMORE TO DELIVER AT SCOPE WHAT THEY NEED.

WHAT I SEE RIGHT NOW IS AN ENTIRE POPULATION BEING MOVED TO THE SOUTH, AND WHICH BASICALLY HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AVAILABLE.

THEY LEFT -- MANY OF THEM LEFT THE NORTH WITH VERY LITTLE THINGS, AND THEY ARRIVED IN THE SOUTH, WHICH IS COMPLETELY OVERCROWDED, TWICE ITS POPULATION NOW.

NO MARKET, NO GOODS AVAILABLE ANYMORE AT THE MARKET.

SERVICES COLLAPSING AND THEY ALL DEPEND ON US RIGHT NOW.

>> SO DO YOU UNDERSTAND AND DO YOU ACCEPT WHAT WE SAW WITH INSTANCES OF LOOTING AND, YOU KNOW, THE INTERNATIONAL AUTHORITY SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SOCIAL FABRIC IS STARTING TO BREAK DOWN IN GAZA?

>> THE SOCIAL FABRIC IS INDEED BREAKING DOWN.

THE CIVIC ORDER IS BREAKING DOWN.

AND I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE QUEUING IN FRONT OF BAKERIES NOWADAYS JUST WITH THE HOPE TO GET A LOAF OF BREAD.

AND WE ARE NOW PUT IN A SITUATION WHERE IT IS BECOMING ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO OFFER BREAD FROM THE BAKERY THAT WE ARE SUPPORTING TO BRING BACK TO OUR SHELTER JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE HUNDREDS OF OTHER PEOPLE EXPRESSING THEIR HUNGER IN FRONT OF THIS BAKERY.

AND I UNDERSTAND ALSO THAT THIS HUNGER IS TURNING INTO ANGER AND VISA VI THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY.

AND IT IS THE FACE OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY IN THE GAZA STRIP.

>> EVEN DESPITE WHAT WE UNDERSTAND IS AN EXPANDING HUMANITARIAN TRICKLE, I GUESS -- I'M CALLING IT A TRICKLE.

YOU TELL ME WHAT IT IS, WHAT'S COMING THROUGH RAFAH.

>> WE NEED MUCH, MUCH MORE.

BEFORE OCTOBER 7th THERE WAS TRUCKS INTO THE GAZA STRIP, AND THIS WAS ALREADY BEING DESCRIBED AS A BLOCKADE.

AND YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR THE POPULATION OF GAZA STARTED TO BECOME MORE AND MORE DEPENDENT ON THE INTERNATIONAL HUMANITARIAN COMMUNITY.

WE WERE, FOR EXAMPLE, PROVIDING 50% OF THE CALORIC NEED OF 1.2 MILLION PEOPLE BEFORE THAT.

TODAY AFTER AN ALMOST TOTAL SIEGE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A HANDFUL OF TRUCKS COMING INTO THE GAZA STRIP.

AT THE TIME THE MARKET IS ALSO COMPLETELY DEPLETED.

AT THE TIME THE LAST REMAINING PUBLIC SERVICES HAVE COMPLETELY COLLAPSED.

SO, YES, THESE HANDFUL OF TRUCKS BASICALLY DON'T DO ANYTHING TO REVERSE THE FACT THAT THE GAZA STRIP IS BEING STRANGLED BY THE SIEGE.

>> PHILIPPE, CAN I ASK YOU THIS?

THERE'S A LOT OF CONTROVERSY OVER FUEL, FOR INSTANCE.

AND REPORTS ARE CITING ALL SORTS OF EXPERTS, ISRAELI, WESTERN, AND OTHERS.

IN FACT, EVEN MIDDLE EASTERN.

THAT OVER THE YEARS HAMAS HAS STORED AND HOARDED ALL THAT IT NEEDS IN ITS UNDERGROUND TUNNELS WHETHER IT'S FOOD, MEDICINE, FUEL, FOR ITS WAR EFFORT AND THAT IT COULD, YOU KNOW, HAVE ENOUGH TO FIGHT FOR THREE TO FOUR MONTHS.

YOU KNOW, GAZA'S A VERY DIFFERENT PLACE THAN WHEN YOU WENT 30 YEARS AGO.

I MEAN, WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE HAMAS AUTHORITIES VISA VI TAKING CARE OF CIVILIAN NEEDS?

>> SO, LISTEN, WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT NO ONE RIGHT NOW IS TAKING CARE OF THE CIVILIAN NEED.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE FUEL, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAS BEEN THE MILITARY BUILDING UP OF THE HAMAS IN THE GAZA STRIP, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT OUR RESERVE OF FUEL IS COMPLETELY AND THERE WAS FUEL BROUGHT IN BY THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY TO SUPPLY THE ELECTRIC PLANT.

OVER THE LAST WEEK WE HAVE FOOD CONFLICTION WITH THE ISRAELI -- THE REMAINING FUEL, THE COMMERCIAL FUEL WHICH WAS AVAILABLE AT THE GAZA STRIP.

WHICH MEANS IN THE COMING DAYS WE WON'T BE ABLE ANYMORE TO SUPPLY BAKERIES, SUPPLY HOSPITALS, SUPPLY THE WATER STATION.

BUT IN THE COMING DAYS WE MIGHT EVEN BE UNABLE TO MOVE OUR TRUCKS WITHIN THE GAZA STRIP TO PROVIDE HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE TO 700,000 PEOPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, SHELTERING IN OUR PREMISES BUT ALSO TO THE REST OF THE POPULATION.

>> I HAVE TO SAY IT STUCK WITH ME WHAT YOU SAID AT THE BEGINNING THAT ALL THESE CHILDREN WERE JUST ASKING YOU FOR A SIP OF WATER AND A PIECE OF BREAD.

IT'S HEART BREAKING TO HEAR THAT.

AND ALSO YOU, YOURSELF, HAVE LOST YOUR -- YOU KNOW, DOZENS OF WORKERS.

TELL ME -- TELL ME WHAT'S THE SITUATION WITH YOUR OWN EMPLOYEES ON THE GROUND.

>> LISTEN, CHRISTIANE, WE HAVE LOST AS OF NOW TWO STAFFER.

THE LAST STAFFER -- ONE YEAR AGO PUBLISHED A VIDEO WHAT SHE WAS DOING.

AND SHE'S THE LAST PERSON REPORTED KILLED AMONG 72 PEOPLE.

NOW, I MET THE STAFF JUST HERE TODAY IN GAZA.

BASICALLY THEY'RE SHARING THE SAME LIVING CONDITION THAN ANYONE ELSE.

THEY'RE LIVING IN SHELTER.

THEY'RE STRUGGLING ON A DAILY BASIS TO FIND BREAD, TO FIND WATER, TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN.

AND DESPITE THAT AND DESPITE THE HEAVY LOSSES WITHIN THIS ORGANIZATION, THEY REMAIN COMMITTED TO DO WHATEVER IS POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE SUPPORT TO THE PEOPLE IN GAZA.

BUT IT'S A CONSTANT DAILY STRUGGLE.

BUT I HAVE TO SAY THAT I TAKE A LOT OF INSPIRATION IN THE STRENGTH AND DEDICATION.

>> WOULD YOU EVER CONSIDER WITHDRAWING THE STAFF JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME WOUNDED PALESTINIANS ARE BEING EVACUATED, DUAL NATIONALS ARE BEING ALLOWED TO LEAVE.

>> WE'RE SCALING UP OPERATION.

WE SHOULD NOT CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT 50, 60, 70 TRUCKS.

THIS OPERATION NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP AT SCALE IF WE WANT TO RESERVE THE ONGOING -- BUT IF WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE DO NOT START TO DIE BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT OF THE SIEGE, BECAUSE OF OUR DIFFICULTIES TO BRING OUR ASSISTANCE AT SCALE IN THE GAZA STRIP.

>> PHILIPPE, I WANT TO ASK YOU A TOUCHY QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS DISPUTED.

NUMBERS ARE DISPUTED, DEATH TOLLS, YOU KNOW, WHO'S A CIVILIAN, WHO'S A FIGHTER.

SO THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITIES, I GUESS HAMAS-RUN AUTHORITIES IN GAZA AND, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICIALS IN ROMALA SAY NOW OVER 9,000 PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN KILLED SINCE THE AIR WAR BEGAN AFTER OCTOBER 7th.

SO, I SPOKE TO THE FORMER ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER THIS WEEK, AND HE SAID THESE NUMBERS ARE EXAGGERATED.

AND I QUOTED YOU BASICALLY SAYING IN THE PAST SIX CYCLES OF CONFLICT, HAMAS FIGURES HAD BEEN CONSIDERED CREDIBLE BY ALL SIDES.

TAKE A LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAID.

>> THE U.N.

NUMBERS ARE AS CREDIBLE AS HAMAS NUMBERS.

DECIDE FOR A SECOND I DON'T TRUST U.N.

NUMBERS, U.N.

NUMBERS ARE NOT RELIABLE.

>> WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT?

>> LISTEN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE 72 STAFF MEMBER OF UNRWA ARE RELIABLE, THESE ARE OUR FIGURES.

IF I COMPARE OUR 72 WITH THE 13,000 STAFF IN THE GAZA STRIP AND THE 2.2 MILLION INHABITANT IN THE GAZA STRIP, WE HAVE MORE OR LESS THE SAME PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE BEING KILLED.

>> THAT'S A VERY CLEAR RESPONSE.

PHILIPPE LAZZARINI, THANK YOU SO >> CHRISTIANE, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU TO YOU.

>> THANKS TO CHRISTIANE FOR THAT EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW.

MEANTIME RUSSIA'S PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN HAS PROFESSED TO BE IMPARTIAL TOWARDS ISRAEL AND GAZA, BUT RECENT EVENTS INDICATE OTHERWISE.

THERE WAS AN INSANE ANTI-SEMITIC RIOT WHERE CROWDS STORMED A FLIGHT FROM ISRAEL COMING JUST DAYS AFTER HAMAS DELEGATION HELD HIGH LEVEL TALKS IN MOSCOW.

THESE EVENTS ARE RAISING QUESTIONS INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF ISRAEL AS TO WHY PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU STAYED NEUTRAL IN RUSSIA'S UKRAINE WAR.

PART OF ISRAEL'S LARGE RUSSIAN COMMUNITY, A MEMBER OF CUNEST AND NOW POLICY FELLOW AT THE ISRAELI INSTITUTE FOR REGIONAL FOREIGN POLICY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN GAZA AND THE DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS WAR IN A MOMENT, BUT LET'S STICK WITH THIS THREAD FOCUSED ON RUSSIA AND VLADIMIR PUTIN SPECIFICALLY.

"THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" IS REPORTING JUST MOMENTS AGO THAT U.S. INTELLIGENCE BELIEVES THAT THE WAGNER GROUP MAY PROVIDE AIR DEFENSE WEAPONS TO HEZBOLLAH.

THAT ON TOP OF WHAT I DESCRIBED IN THE INTRODUCTION, THESE MEETINGS IN MOSCOW WITH HAMAS OFFICIALS, WITH IRANIAN OFFICIALS, VLADIMIR PUTIN WAITING DAYS TO SPEAK OUT FOLLOWING THE OCTOBER 7th MASSACRE, WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON RUSSIA'S STANCE ON THE CURRENT SITUATION RIGHT NOW?

>> WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHAT WE FELT, MANY OF US IN ISRAEL FELT FOR YEARS WHEN RUSSIA AUTOMATICALLY VOTED AGAINST ISRAEL IN THE U.N. INSTITUTIONS, WHEN IT HAD CLOSE TIES WITH ALL OF ISRAEL'S ENEMIES, IRAN, HEZBOLLAH, AND HAMAS.

NOW THIS PROGNOSIS THE THREAT CAN ACTUALLY HARM ISRAEL, NOW IT'S COMING TO LIGHT.

AND NOW WE SEE ALSO WITH THIS OUTRAGE SPEECH OF RUSSIAN REPRESENTATIVE AT THE U.N. THAT SAID TODAY THAT ISRAEL ACTUALLY DOES NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF.

EVERYBODY IN ISRAEL RIGHT NOW IS DISCUSSING IT, AND IT'S VERY HIGH ON THE AGENDA, I BELIEVE.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE STILL DON'T HEAR A WORD FROM THE GOVERNMENT, ALSO FROM THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS.

THE SPECIAL RELATIONS THAT PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU WAS SO PROUD OF IS STILL BEING MAINTAINED BY HIM.

AND EVEN WHEN THERE ARE PROBLEMS AGAINST JEWS IN PACK STJ WHICH IS PART OF RUSSIA, EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE JUST NUMB, HEARING ANGER.

TO PUTIN PERHAPS THE NORTH TO SYRIA.

I BELIEVE ISRAEL HAS NOTHING TO LOSE.

IT'S ALREADY WE CROSSED ALL THE RED LINES.

>> YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T SO LONG AGO THAT THERE WERE PLACARDS AND BILL BOARDS IN ISRAEL OF PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU AND VLADIMIR PUTIN.

AND YOU TAKE THAT AND NOW COUPLE IT WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN WHO HAS ALWAYS BEEN OBSESSED WITH WORLD WAR II, AND THAT'S HOW HE'S DESCRIBED AND COMPARED HIS ILLEGAL WAR ON UKRAINE IN QUOTE-UNQUOTE KILLING NAZIS AND DENAZIFYING UKRAINE.

WELL, NOW HE IS COMPARING ISRAEL'S SIEGE ON GAZA TO THE GERMAN SIEGE ON LENINGRAD.

AND THAT'S LED SOME TO WONDER WHAT IF ANY ROLE RUSSIA HAS PLAYED IN ALL OF THIS BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY IT DOES APPEAR UP TO THIS POINT THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN COMES OUT THE VICTOR.

THE ATTENTION AND THE FOCUS ON UKRAINE AND THAT WAR HAS SHIFTED.

AS YOU KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF DISPUTE IN THE U.S. CONGRESS NOW ABOUT FUNDING THE WAR IN UKRAINE.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS?

>> WELL, THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT RUSSIA, INDEED, EMERGES FROM ALL OF THIS AS THE MAIN BENEFICIARY FROM THIS WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

IT'S YET TO BE SAID BY OUR INTELLIGENCE OR THE AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE WHAT WAS EXACTLY THE ROLE OF RUSSIA IN PERHAPS MAKING HAMAS UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE A BACKER.

AND YOU SEE HOW ALL THE LEADERS OF HAMAS THANK RUSSIA FOR THEIR SUPPORT AND THANK THEM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CONTINUATION OF THIS STEADFAST POSITION ON THE RIGHTS OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE.

SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT EVEN THIS DIPLOMATIC EMBRACE OF THE HAMAS TEAM THAT VISITED MOSCOW JUST RECENTLY, IT MEANT A LOT BECAUSE IT INSPIRES MANY OF THE HAMAS SUPPORTERS AND BACKERS TO THINK, YOU KNOW, HERE IS A SUPER POWER THAT SUPPORTS AND REFUSES TO CONDEMN OUTRIGHT THE ATROCITIES OF THE HAMAS, AND PERHAPS THERE'S EVEN MORE TO THIS RELATIONSHIP THAN WE KNOW.

WE DON'T KNOW SO FAR ANY WEAPON WAS TRANSFERRED BY THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION TO HAMAS.

I'M VERY HOPEFUL THAT THE INTELLIGENCE OF THE WEST AND ISRAEL ARE WORKING HARD TO CHECK OUT THE RUMORS THAT ARE CIRCULATING IN SOCIAL MEDIA.

>> WE KNOW THAT ISRAEL HAS BEEN IMPROVING ITS TIES WITH IRAN OVER ITS WAR IN UKRAINE IN BUYING DRONES FROM IRAN OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS.

AND ON THE SUBJECT OF IRAN THERE IS A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT WHAT WE MAY HEAR FROM THE HEZBOLLAH, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY SUPPORTED BY IRAN.

AND THAT IS ONE OF THEIR ORGANIZATIONS AND PROXIES THAT SO MANY PEOPLE ARE FOCUSED ONTO SEE WHAT, IF ANYTHING, THEY WILL DO IN THIS WAR, WILL THEY GET INVOLVED?

AND THE HEAD OF HEZBOLLAH IS EXPECTED TO SPEAK TOMORROW.

THIS AS WE'RE JUST GETTING NEWS THAT THE LEBANON BRANCH OF HAMAS IN THE SOUTHERN LEBANON HAS FIRED ROCKETS IN NORTHERN ISRAEL.

HOW CONCERNED IS THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT ABOUT WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN IN THE DAYS OR WEEKS TO COME FROM SOME OF IRAN'S PROXIES?

>> WELL, BRIANA, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE TO CALL THINGS BY THEIR NAMES.

WHEN SOMEBODY FIRES FROM LEBANON TERRITORY, FROM SOUTH OF LEBANON THERE IS NO DOUBT IT'S HAPPENING WITH THE FULL PERMISSION AND SUPPORT OF HEZBOLLAH.

THEY ALSO HAVE SOME PALESTINIAN PROXY.

TODAY IT'S HAMAS, BUT APPEARS TO BE ALSO THE ORGANIZATION FOR QUITE A WHILE ALL DURING THE 2000s.

SO THE ENTITY RIGHT NOW FIRING ON ISRAELI TOWNS AND CITIES, IT SUPPORTS HEZBOLLAH.

YES, ISRAEL IS VERY MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT THE OFFICIAL OPENING OF THE SECOND FRONT IN THE NORTH BECAUSE THEN THEY UNDERSTAND THE CAPACITIES OF HEZBOLLAH AS SO MUCH MORE ROBUST AND STRONGER THAN THOSE OF HAMAS.

IT'S ALSO THE ROCKETS, THE PRECISION ROCKETS.

AND THIS IS WHY DURING ALL OF THESE YEARS ISRAEL WENT TO SUCH A GREAT LENGTH IN ORDER TO PREVENT FROM IRAN TO HELP HEZBOLLAH WITH ITS PRECISION ROCKET PROJECT.

THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OPERATIONS IN SYRIA HAS TO DO SPECIFICALLY WITH THAT.

BUT BELIEVE ME FOR NOW THEY HAVE ENOUGH TO INFLICT GREAT DAMAGE ON ISRAEL'S POPULATION.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME EVERYBODY KNOWS, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS IN THE OPEN RIGHT NOW AFTER THIS SLAUGHTER IN ISRAEL ITSELF.

ISRAEL CANNOT LIVE SAFELY WHEN ON ITS BORDERS THERE ARE TWO TERRORIST ENTITIES.

YOU HAVE ONE, HEZBOLLAH IN THE NORTH, AND THE SECOND HAMAS IN THE SOUTH.

SO SOONER OR LATER ISRAEL WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH BOTH OF THEM.

>> IS THERE FAITH IN THE CURRENT OPERATION, WHICH HAS JUST EXPANDED.

LET'S JUST CALL IT WHAT IT IS, A WAR IN GAZA RIGHT NOW, THAT THERE IS A PLAN THAT THE IDF HAS FOR THE DAY AFTER.

THAT LET'S SAY THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL AND THEY DO DEMOLISH HAMAS AND THEIR LEADERSHIP, THEIR MILITARY LEADERSHIP, THEN WHAT COMES NEXT?

>> THIS IS PRECISELY BECAUSE OF THIS QUESTION WHAT COMES NEXT THAT MANY GOVERNMENTS -- >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?

LOOKS LIKE YOUR SHOT MAY BE FROZEN.

CAN YOU HEAR ME?

OKAY, WE, UNFORTUNATELY HAVE A TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY WITH HER CONNECTION TO US.

WE'LL TRY TO RECONNECT WITH HER.

MEANTIME, WE WANT TO BRING YOU MORE INFORMATION OUT OF GAZA BECAUSE, OF COURSE, THERE ARE COUNTLESS CIVILIANS, AIDE WORKERS, AND JOURNALISTS CAUGHT IN THE CROSS HAIRS AND ARE UNABLE TO EVACUATE TO SAFETY.

OUR CNN COLLEAGUE WHO HAD BEEN BRINGING US SO MUCH INFORMATION AND SO MUCH DAY TO DAY REPORTING FROM THE GROUND, IBRAHIM ALONG WITH HIS WIFE IS PREGNANT AND HIS TWO YOUNG SONS, FILED THIS REPORT FOR US.

>> OUR THANKS TO IBRAHIM FOR THAT.

OUR OTHER CORRESPONDENT HAS MORE ON THE ISRAELI STRIKES ON THE JABALIA CAMP AND THE EMOTIONAL TOLL IT IS TAKING ON CIVILIANS THERE.

WE WANT TO WARN YOU SOME OF THE IMAGES IN HER REPORT ARE GRAPHIC.

>> CHAOS AND HORROR AT JABALIA'S REFUGEE CAMP.

WOUNDED CHILDREN RUSHED TO NEARBY AMBULANCES, THE LATEST CASUALTIES OF ISRAEL'S RELENTLESS AERIAL BOMBARDMENT.

THIS DENSELY POPULATED NEIGHBORHOOD GRIPPED BY PANIC AND SHEER DISBELIEF.

A SECOND ISRAELI AIR STRIKE IN LESS THAN 24 HOURS.

I LOST MY WHOLE FAMILY, HE SAYS, HOLDING A LIST OF THOSE KILLED JUST TODAY.

MY SISTER'S HOUSE WAS STRUCK WITH HER CHILDREN INSIDE.

MY BROTHER'S HOUSE, TOO, WITH ALL OF HIS CHILDREN.

THERE IS NO ONE LEFT EXCEPT FOR ME AND MY YOUNGER BROTHER.

THEY WERE INNOCENT.

WHAT DID THEY DO TO DESERVE THIS?

ISRAEL'S DEFENSE FORCE SAYS IT WAS TARGETING A HAMAS COMMAND AND CONTROL COMPLEX IN JABALIA.

HAMAS FIGHTERS SAID TO BE AMONG THOSE KILLED, BUT JABALIA IS HOME TO MORE THAN 100,000 CIVILIANS ACCORDING TO THE U.N. AND WHILE THE FULL EXTENT OF THE CIVILIAN DEATH TOLL REMAINS UNCLEAR AT THIS STAGE, GAZA'S CIVIL DEFENSE AUTHORITY HAS DESCRIBED THIS LATEST DISASTER AS A MASSACRE WITH MORE CASUALTIES AND MORE FATALITIES ADDED TO THE LIST OF HUNDREDS SAID TO HAVE BEEN KILLED OR WOUNDED IN TUESDAY'S AIR STRIKE.

THE SITUATION IS BEYOND BELIEF.

MANY HAVE BEEN KILLED, BODIES HAVE BEEN LEFT BURNED AND CHARRED BY THE AIR STRIKE, THIS DOCTOR SAYS.

THERE ISN'T A HOSPITAL IN THE WORLD THAT COULD COPE WITH THIS KIND OF SITUATION.

WE'RE HAVING TO TREAT PATIENTS ON THE FLOOR AND IN CORRIDORS.

THE SCALE OF THE DESTRUCTION AT JABALIA IS DIFFICULT TO GRASP.

MANY RESIDENTS ARE STILL BURIED BENEATH THE BLACKENED RUBBLE.

RESCUE WORKERS AND CIVILIANS DIG SIDE BY SIDE DESPERATE TO FIND SURVIVORS.

THIS HOUSE HAD 15 PEOPLE IN IT, BUT WE STILL HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND ANY OF THEM, HE SAYS.

WE HAVE NO EQUIPMENT, WE ARE DIGGING ALONE.

NORTHERN GAZA CONTINUES TO COME UNDER HEAVY BOMBARDMENT, ITS RESIDENTS WARNED BY ISRAEL TO EVACUATE SOUTHWARDS.

BUT AIR STRIKES CONTINUE TO RAIN DOWN ACROSS BOTH CENTRAL AND SOUTHERN GAZA, TOO.

AND FOR THE MORE THAN 2 MILLION PALESTINIANS LIVING UNDER AN ISRAELI BLOCKADE, THE FEAR IS THAT THERE IS NOWHERE SAFE TO TURN.

>> OUR THANKS TO NADYA.

WE DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW WE WERE NOT ABLE TO RECONNECT WITH -- WE'LL TRY TO HAVE HER BACK ON THE SHOW AS SOON AS WEEK.

>>> WE TURN NOW TO THE U.S. WHERE ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSINGS REACH RECORD HIGHS AND NEW YORK GRAPPLES WITH AN INFLUX OF OVER 126,000 SINCE LAST SPRING.

IF ELECTED PRESIDENT AGAIN IN 2024 DONALD TRUMP PROMISES A CRACK DOWN ON IMMIGRATION, WHICH COMES AS THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS SETTLING A LAWSUIT OVER TRUMP'S CONTROVERSIAL CHILD SEPARATION POLICY.

PULITZER PRIZEWINNING REPORTER CAITLIN DICKERSON JOINS MICHELLE MARTIN TO DISCUSS THE IMPACT OF THAT POLICY.

>> THANKS, BRIANNA.

CAITLIN DICKERSON, THANKS FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> YOU WON A PULITZER PRIZE, WHICH IS OUR FIELD'S HIGHEST HONORS FOR REPORTING ON THE TRUMP FAMILY SEPARATION POLICY, WHAT THEY CALL THE ZERO-TOLERANCE POLICY.

I WANT TO START BY ASKING HOW DID THIS START?

WHAT'S THE GENESIS OF THIS?

>> SURE, LET ME TAKE YOU BACK TO 2017, MICHELLE, AND ON THE IMMIGRATION BEAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS JUST TAKEN OFFICE.

WE KNOW HE'S GOING TO BE MAKING A LOT OF CHANGES BECAUSE HE'S CAMPAIGNED ON WANTING TO CRACK DOWN ON IMMIGRATION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

AND SO I'M COVERING THINGS LIKE THE TRAVEL BAN, LIKE THE BORDER WALL.

BUT I GET A TIP PRETTY EARLY THAT YEAR THAT THE HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY HAS BEEN PRESENTED WITH AN IDEA TO TAKE MIGRANT CHILDREN AWAY FROM THEIR PARENTS AS A WAY TO DISCOURAGE ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSINGS.

SO IT'S A DETERRENT STRATEGY, PROBABLY THE MOST AGGRESSIVE ONE THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER SEEN.

AND THE IDEA WAS SIMPLY TO SEND A VERY, VERY STRONG MESSAGE THAT THIS KIND OF BRUTAL REALITY WOULD MEET ANY FAMILY THAT TRIED TO CROSS THE BORDER.

THE IDEA BEGINS TO BE DEBATED WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, AND THEN I START TO GET TIPS THAT SEPARATIONS HAVE ACTUALLY BEGUN ONE BY ONE.

I START REACHING OUT TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND ASKING THEM HAS THE SEPARATION POLICY BEGUN, YOU KNOW, EXPLAINING TO THEM THE DETAILS OF THE CASES THAT I WAS BEING TIPPED OFF TO.

AND I WAS HEARING FOR ABOUT A YEAR THAT SEPARATIONS HADN'T BEGUN.

THERE WAS A BIG DISCONNECT.

WHAT WE KNOW NOW IS THAT HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS, IN FACT OVER 1,000 SEPARATIONS TOOK PLACE IN SECRET BEFORE THIS POLICY KNOWN AS ZERO TOLERANCE WAS EVER ANNOUNCED PUBLICLY.

THAT HAPPENED IN THE SUMMER OF 2018, AND SEPARATIONS INCREASED EVEN MORE AFTER THAT.

>> SO THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION ESTIMATES THAT A TOTAL OF 3,924 KIDS WERE SEPARATED FROM THEIR FAMILIES IN 2017 TO 2021.

AS OF LAST MONTH ABOUT 1,000 CHILDREN STILL HADN'T BEEN REUNITED WITH THEIR FAMILIES.

WHERE ARE THEY?

HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?

>> IT'S REALLY STRIKING.

AND I SHOULD SAY THE TOTAL COUNT OF SEPARATIONS THAT I HAVE IS OVER 5,000.

THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT NUMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN BATTED AROUND AS THE ACLU HAS HAD TO FIGHT IN COURT TO BASICALLY GET EVERY SINGLE SEPARATED FAMILY TO FALL UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE LAWSUIT THEY FILED AGAINST FAMILY SEPARATIONS.

AND PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE IS THAT THERE WAS REALLY, REALLY POOR RECORDKEEPING.

THAT'S WHY THESE COUNTS CHANGE ALL THE TIME, AND IT'S ALSO WHY WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY AND REUNIFY SO MANY FAMILIES THAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT.

>> BUT IN 2021 THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION SETUP A TASK FORCE TO REUNIFY THESE FAMILIES, SO I GUESS THAT'S WHY IT'S PUZZLING -- OR IS IT -- THAT IT STILL HASN'T HAPPENED?

>> THE REASON IT'S NOT PUZZLING TO ME, MICHELLE, IS MY REPORTING FOUND THERE WAS VERY LITTLE DOCUMENTATION OF SEPARATION.

SOMETIMES NO DOCUMENTATION OF A SEPARATION AT ALL FOR ABOUT A YEAR UNTIL THE POLICY BECAME ACKNOWLEDGED PUBLICLY, AND THEN THE ADMINISTRATION STARTED TO TAKE SOME ACCOUNT OF THE SEPARATIONS.

BY THEN SO MANY HAD TAKEN PLACE, HUNDREDS OF PARENTS HAD ALREADY BEEN DEPORTED WITHOUT THEIR CHILDREN, AND YOU HAD THIS ISSUE WHERE CHILDREN WERE BEING SENT TO ONE FEDERAL AGENCY, THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

PARENTS WERE BEING SENT TO ANY NUMBER OF FEDERAL AGENCIES THAT WERE DIFFERENT.

SOME WERE IN I.C.E.

CUSTODY, SOME WERE IN U.S.

MARSHALS CUSTODY, SOME WERE IN THE BUREAU OF PRISONS CUSTODY, SOME WERE RELEASED INTO THE UNITED STATES, AND SOME WERE DEPORTED.

THE COMPUTER SYSTEMS ACROSS THESE DIFFERENT AGENCIES DID NOT SPEAK TO ONE ANOTHER.

AND DEPENDINGEN WHERE PARENTS ENDED UP, HOW THEIR CASES WERE HANDLED, HOW QUICKLY THEY WERE DEPORTED, SOME LEFT THE COUNTRY WITHOUT THE U.S. GOVERNMENT HAVING ANY WAY OF LOCATING THEM AGAIN, NO ADDRESS, NO PHONE NUMBER.

ADD TO THAT THAT IN MANY CASES WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AT THIS TIME ASYLUM SEEKING FAMILIES WHO WERE FLEEING DEEP, DEEP POVERTY IN CENTRAL AMERICA, SO FOLKS WHO DIDN'T HAVE STEADY ACCESS TO THE INTERNET, MAY NOT HAVE HAD A PHONE, MAY NOT HAVE HAD A FIRM STREET ADDRESS.

A LOT OF THEM, OF COURSE, WERE FLEEING VIOLENCE, FLEEING UNSAFE SITUATIONS.

SO IT'S NOT AS IF EVEN IF THEY DID HAVE AN ADDRESS, THEY RETURNED TO THE EXACT SAME PLACE THEY LEFT WHEN THEY SOUGHT ASYLUM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

AND SO THIS BIDEN ADMINISTRATION TASK FORCE HAS HAD TO TRY TO FORENSICALLY RECONSTRUCT FROM ANY INFORMATION THAT EXISTS ACROSS THESE DATABASES, ENOUGH INFORMATION TO REUNIFY FAMILIES, AND IT'S PROVEN AN ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TASK.

>> DO WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE CHILDREN THAT STILL HAVEN'T BEEN REUNITED WITH FAMILY MEMBERS?

DO THEY TEND TO BE YOUNGER?

LIKE OLDER KIDS HAVE SOME ABILITY TO REMEMBER THEIR PARENTS NAME OR IDENTIFYING DETAILS LIKE THE NAME OF AUNTS, UNCLES.

OBVIOUSLY YOUNGER CHILDREN LESS SO.

OR PERHAPS THEY SPEAK INDIGENOUS LANGUAGES AND PERHAPS SPANISH, FOR EXAMPLE, IS NOT THEIR FIRST LANGUAGE LET ALONE ENGLISH.

>> THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION, THE GOVERNMENT HAS NOT GIVEN US INFORMATION ON WHO THESE CHILDREN ARE INCLUDING WHAT THEIR AGES ARE.

I THINK YOUR GUESS IS PROBABLY A GOOD ONE, MICHELLE.

I SPENT A LOT OF TIME REPORTING ON THE BABIES THAT WERE SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENTS AT THIS TIME.

I TRACKED DOWN THE YOUNGEST SEPARATED CHILD WHO WAS 4 MONTHS OLD WHEN HE WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM HIS PARENTS.

HE SPENT FIVE MONTHS IN GOVERNMENT CUSTODY.

AND ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT THE LANGUAGE BARRIER, HIS FAMILY WAS ACTUALLY FROM ROMANIA.

SO HIS DAD SPENT MONTHS IN I.C.E.

CUSTODY WITHOUT AN INTERPRETER TO EXPLAIN WHAT HIS CASE WAS, AND OF COURSE THE BABY WAS NONVERBAL FOR THE ENTIRE TIME THAT HE WAS IN U.S.

CUSTODY.

SO THERE WERE MANY, MANY CASES OF CHILDREN WHO WERE BABIES AND TODDLERS WHO WERE SEPARATED, AND I THINK IT'S A FAIR GUESS THAT IT'S PERHAPS THOSE YOUNGER CHILDREN WHO HAVE HAD A HARDER TIME RECONNECTING WITH THEIR PARENTS JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T OLD ENOUGH TO SPEAK, TO MEMORIZE PHONE NUMBERS, TO KNOW FAMILY MEMBERS WHO COULD BE CONTACTED TO TRY TO TRACK PARENTS DOWN.

>> SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATION SETUP THIS TASK FORCE TO TRY TO REUNITE FAMILIES THAT HAD BEEN SEPARATED, BUT THEY ALSO SETTLED A LAWSUIT BROUGHT ON BEHALF OF FAMILIES WHO WERE SEPARATED AT THE U.S.-MEXICO BORDER.

AND I UNDERSTAND THIS SETTLEMENT STILL NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY THE JUDGE OVERSEEING THE CASE.

IF APPROVED, WHAT WOULD IT DO?

>> SO THIS SETTLEMENT IS VERY SIGNIFICANT IN THE EYES OF THE ACLU REPRESENTED THESE THOUSANDS OF SEPARATED FAMILIES.

THEY GOT ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR.

ANY FAMILY WHO WAS SEPARATED IS ENTITLED TO REENTER THE UNITED STATES IF ONE OR BOTH MEMBERS WAS DEPORTED TO APPLY FOR ASYLUM AND INVOKE THEIR SEPARATION IN THEIR ASYLUM CLAIM, TO BE REUNITED, OF COURSE, AND ALSO TO SEEK MENTAL HEALTH AND MEDICAL CARE THAT COULD BE PAID FOR IN PART BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IF IT'S DEEMED RELATED TO THE SEPARATION ITSELF.

SOME FAMILIES WILL ALSO RECEIVE FUNDING AND SUPPORT FOR LEGAL RESOURCES TO PURSUE THESE ASYLUM CLAIMS, AND SOME MAY EVEN BE ELIGIBLE FOR ACCESS TO HOUSING.

THE OTHER HUGE, HUGE PART OF THIS SETTLEMENT IS THAT IT SAYS FAMILY SEPARATIONS ARE OUTLAWED FOR EIGHT YEARS.

SO, OF COURSE, A LOT OF ADVOCATES, THE ACLU INCLUDED, WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SEE A FOREVER BAN ON FAMILY SEPARATIONSCH THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION I'M TOLD REALLY PUT THEIR FOOT DOWN WHEN IT CAME TO THAT ISSUE, DID NOT WANT TO LEGISLATE IN A FEDERAL COURT SETTLEMENT.

AND SO THEY LANDED AT A COMPROMISE OF EIGHT YEARS.

AND SO THIS IS VIEWED AS A GREAT SUCCESS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE HUGE CAVEAT OF WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT HERE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING AMENDS FOR THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN HAVING BEEN TAKEN AWAY FROM THEIR PARENTS.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT MEDICAL EXPERTS HAVE SAID UNEQUIVOCALLY CAN CAUSE LIFELONG DAMAGE.

AND WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THOSE HUNDREDS OF FAMILIES WHO HAVE YET TO BE REUNITED.

WILL THEY BE ABLE TO GET ACCESS TO THOSE BENEFITS FROM THE SETTLEMENT IS STILL AN OPEN QUESTION.

>> LET ME GO BACK AGAIN TO WHEN THE FORMER PRESIDENT FIRST INTRODUCED THIS ZERO-TOLERANCE POLICY, THE FAMILY SEPARATION POLICY BACK IN 2018.

I THINK PEOPLE MAY REMEMBER THERE WAS BIPARTISAN OUTRAGE ABOUT IT.

SOMEONE LIKE THE FORMER FIRST LADY LAURA BUSH EVEN WROTE AN OP-ED ABOUT IT, A PERSON WHO WAS, YOU KNOW, RELUCTANT TO TAKE PUBLIC STANCES ON, YOU KNOW, MOST ISSUES EVEN WHEN SHE HAD THE PLATFORM OF FIRST LADY.

SO IT'S QUITE AN EXTRAORDINARY THING.

REPUBLICANS EVEN DRAFTED LEGISLATION TO OUTLAW FAMILY SEPARATION, BUT NOTHING HAPPENED.

JUST, WHAT DOES YOUR REPORTING TELL US ABOUT THAT?

>> YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT, MICHELLE, THE FULL SPECTRUM OF REPRESENTATION IN CONGRESS WAS CRYING OUT AND DEMANDING ONCE THIS POLICY BECAME PUBLIC THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION PUT IT TO A STOP AND THEY WANTED TO OUTLAW EVERYBODY FROM THE HOUSE FREEDOM CAUCUS TO NANCY PELOSI.

AND IT NEVER HAPPENED.

AND WHAT HAPPENED IS THE FAMILY SEPARATION POLICY CONTROVERSIAL AS IT WAS, IT REALLY GOT DRAGGED INTO THE GENERAL BIPARTISAN SORT OF STUCKNESS AND CYNICISM THAT HAS PREVENTED OVERALL IMMIGRATION REFORM FROM HAPPENING FOR SO MANY DECADES.

SO I THINK ONCE FAMILY SEPARATION CAME TO A STOP, THE REUNIFICATION EFFORTS STARTED, AND YOU HAD A SORT OF SCAPEGOAT TO BLAME IN KIRSTJEN NIELSEN, THE DHS SECRETARY WHO LOST HER JOB NOT LONG AFTER FAMILY SEPARATIONS CAME TO AN END.

CONGRESS WAS READY TO MOVE ON, AND WE WENT BACK TO THE STATUS QUO WHERE YOU HAVE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS WIDELY, WIDELY SEPARATE FROM ONE ANOTHER AND REALLY NO POLITICAL WILL TO MAKE PROGRESS EVEN ON SOMETHING THAT AT ONE POINT EVERYBODY AGREED ON.

>> TONALLY, I THINK, PRESIDENT BIDEN IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP.

I MEAN, YOU DON'T SEE HIM GOING OUT OF THE WAY TO DEMEAN PEOPLE FROM WHOLE PARTS OF THE WORLD AS BEING, YOU KNOW, CRIMINALS BY DEFINITION.

BUT FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT, ARE THERE SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION AND THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION APART FROM THE RHETORIC?

>> IT'S IMPORTANT AS YOU'VE EMPHASIZED, MICHELLE, TO SAY THAT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS TAKING A VERY DIFFERENT TONE WHEN IT SPEAKS ABOUT IMMIGRANTS, WHEN IT SPEAKS ABOUT OUR COUNTRY'S RELATIONSHIP TO IMMIGRANTS AND THE GOALS THAT WE HAVE.

BUT AS AN IMMIGRATION REPORTER, DO HAVE TO SAY THAT I'VE SEEN THIS ADMINISTRATION REACH AGAIN AND AGAIN FOR THE SAME DETERRENT POLICIES TO TRY TO CRACK DOWN ON BORDER CROSSING THAT NOT JUST THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION RELIED ON, REMEMBER, BUT ALSO THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, ALSO THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.

THESE ARE OLD TOOLS.

WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE THAT THEY WORK, BUT THEY ARE PART OF THE POLITICAL PLAY BOOK THAT HAS NOT FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGED.

>> GIVE AN EXAMPLE.

I MEAN I KNOW WHAT GOT A LOT OF ATTENTION WAS THIS SORT OF BARRIER ON THE RIO GRANDE.

GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU SAY IS, YOU KNOW, MORE OF THE SAME GOING INTO THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

>> SO IT'S RESTRICTIONS ON ACCESS TO ASYLUM.

I MEAN IT WAS THE CONTINUATION OF THE TITLE 42 BORDER POLICY FOR A VERY LONG STRETCH OF TIME THAT LED TO AS YOUR VIEWERS WILL RECALL VAST NUMBERS OF EXPULSIONS FROM PEOPLE AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER WHO WERE HOPING TO COME TO UNITED STATES TO SEEK ASYLUM BUT WERE INSTEAD KICKED OUT UNDER THE PRETENSES OF THE PANDEMIC, EVEN THOUGH I TRACED THE HISTORY OF THAT POLICY AND IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH COVID-19 WHEN IT WAS PUT INTO PLACE.

THIS WAS JUST ANOTHER ATTEMPT THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TRIED TO CUT OFF ACCESS TO THE BORDER AND TO ASYLUM.

AND THEN AS YOU POINTED OUT THERE'S THE CONTINUATION OF THE BUILDING OF THE WALL.

THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS SAID MULTIPLE THINGS AT ONCE.

YOU KNOW, PRESIDENT BIDEN CAMPAIGNED AND SAID NOT ANOTHER FLIP OF WALL WOULD BE BUILT UNDER HIS PRESIDENCY, AND YET WE DO SEE MORE WALL BEING BUILT.

THEN YOU HAD THE PRESIDENT SAYING, WELL, CONGRESS TIED MY HANDS, I DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT BUT I HAVE TO.

WELL, THE DHS SECRETARY THAT HE APPOINTED IS SAYING I SUPPORT THE IDEA FOR THIS WALL.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF MIXED MESSAGING, BUT THE POLICIES THEMSELVES POINT TO GREATER RESTRICTIONS AND MORE USE OF DETERRENT POLICIES TO TRY TO MINIMIZE BORDER CROSSINGS.

>> YOU ACTUALLY TRAVELED TO THE UKRAINE-POLAND BORDER.

DID YOU SEE DIFFERENCES IN THE EXPERIENCES OF REFUGEES AND WOULD-BE MIGRANTS THERE VERSUS THE -- WHAT YOU'VE BEEN REPORTING ON FOR SOME TIME NOW AT THE U.S.-MEXICO BORDER?

WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE YOU SAW?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

IT WAS QUITE STARK.

MY INTEREST IN GLOBAL MIGRATION IS TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN INTERNATIONAL ISSUE.

YOU HAVE FORCED MIGRATION ON THE RISE REALLY ACROSS THE GLOBE, SO I WANTED TO TRY TO TAKE A LOOK AND COMPARE THE EXPERIENCES THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO REPORT ON.

WHAT I SAW IN POLAND WAS QUITE STRIKING.

THE POLISH PARLIAMENT HAD PASSED EMERGENCY LEGISLATION TO GIVE 18 MONTHS OF LEGAL STATUS TO ANY UKRAINIAN WHO CROSSED THE BORDER AS WELL AS CASH SUPPORT AND ACCESS TO THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.

CHILDREN WERE ENROLLED IN SCHOOLS.

AND IT WASN'T JUST A LEGAL DIFFERENCE.

THERE WAS ALSO A SOCIAL AND A CULTURAL DIFFERENCE.

YOU KNOW, WALKING AROUND IN WARSAW, UKRAINIANS WERE UNIVERSALLY REFERRED TO AS REFUGEES.

THEY WERE SORT OF TREATED AS SYNONYMOUS.

AND THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT, OF COURSE, FROM THE WAY THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION LOOKED AT CENTRAL AMERICANS WHO WERE SEEKING FUNDAMENTALLY THE SAME TYPE OF STATUS, YOU KNOW, REFUGEE STATUS IN THE UNITED STATES.

INSTEAD OF BEING REFERRED TO AS REFUGEES, THEY WERE REFERRED TO AS CRIMINALS, AS RAPISTS, AS WE KNOW, AS PEOPLE WHO WERE TRYING TO EXPLOIT THE AMERICAN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM.

>> ISN'T THERE A DIFFERENCE, THOUGH, BETWEEN PEOPLE WHO WERE INVADED, LITERALLY INVADED BY ANOTHER COUNTRY VERSUS PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN I MEAN TRYING TO MOVE ACROSS THE BORDER FOR, YOU KNOW, FRANKLY FOR WELL -- I MEAN ALL KINDS OF REASONS.

>> I AGREE WITH YOU THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.

AND FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WILL EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHY POLAND WAS SO WELCOMING TO REFUGEE FROM UKRAINE.

ALTHOUGH I WILL POINT OUT POLAND WAS NOT WELCOMING TO ANYBODY WHO'D BIP LIVING IN UKRAINE WHO WAS FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY WHO TRIED TO ENTER POLAND IN PARTICULAR IF THEY WERE AFRICAN AMERICAN OR MIDDLE EASTERN.

THIS ALONE JUSTIFIES THE WAY POLAND WELCOMES UKRAINIANS AND THE BETWEEN THE WAY THE UNITED STATES WAS TREATING CENTRAL AMERICANS.

THIS IS A REALLY GOOD POINT.

OUR ASYLUM SYSTEM IS NOT CLEAR ON WHO'S ENTITLED TO REFUGEE IN THE UNITED STATES AND WHO ISN'T.

BUT MANY, MANY CENTRAL AMERICANS HAVE SUCCESSFULLY WON ASYLUM CASES.

AND SO WHILE THERE MAY BE A DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF JUST THE PSYCHE AND THE EMOTIONAL REACTION TO THE NEWS OF THE DAY, THE REASON FOR PEOPLE CROSSING THE BORDER LEGALLY THERE ISN'T ALWAYS A DISTINCTION.

AND THEN IT BECOMES A QUESTION OF, I THINK, SOCIAL DYNAMICS, OF CULTURAL DYNAMICS, WHICH ARE ALWAYS AT PLAY WHEN IT COMES TO IMMIGRATION.

>> WHAT I THINK I HEAR YOU SAYING IS THAT YOU THINK RACE OR ETHNICITY IS A PART OF IT.

>> YOU CANNOT TAKE RACE AND ETHNICITY OUT OF IMMIGRATION.

SO THERE WERE REFUGEES TRYING TO COME INTO POLAND WHO WERE FROM PREDOMINANTLY MUSLIM COUNTRIES THROUGH BELARUS LEADING UP TO AND DURING THE WAR IN UKRAINE.

THE LEADER, THE ELECTED LEADER OF POLAND TALKED ABOUT VIEWING ISLAM AS FUNDAMENTALLY AT ODDS WITH POLISH CULTURE AND POLISH IDENTITY.

AND SO WHILE UKRAINIANS WERE BEING ALLOWED TO CROSS THE BORDER REALLY WITHOUT LIMITATION, THE POLISH BORDER GUARDS WERE BLOCKING THE BORDER FROM BELARUS AND IN FACT USING THINGS LIKE WATER CANONS.

THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO FROZE TO DEATH IN THE FOREST BETWEEN BELARUS AND POLAND TRYING TO GET INTO POLAND.

AND YOU CAN'T IGNORE THE DEMOGRAPHIC DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW THESE GROUPS ARE TREATED.

>> BEFORE WE LET YOU GO, CAITLIN, THIS IS THE VERY HARD QUESTION.

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT SOME OF THESE CHILDREN WILL NEVER BE REUNITED WITH THEIR FAMILIES?

IS THAT POSSIBLE?

>> I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE.

I WOULD EVEN GO AS FAR AS TO SAY IT'S LIKELY.

CERTAINLY MANY PARENTS AND CHILDREN WILL FIND EACH OTHER AND WON'T REPORT BACK TO THE U.S. GOVERNMENT ABOUT IT FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

I THINK LOTS OF THESE FAMILIES WANTED TO STAY AS FARES WAY FROM THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN.

BUT I THINK GIVEN WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT HOW CARELESS THE ADMINISTRATION WENT ABOUT THIS EFFORT, HOW LITTLE RECORDKEEPING TOOK PLACE AND ALL THESE CHALLENGES WHEN IT COMES TO LANGUAGE ACCESS, INTERNET ACCESS, YOU KNOW, FUNDING TO SEEK OUT LAWYERS, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT IT'S LIKELY THAT SOME CHILDREN MAY NEVER MAKE THEIR WAY BACK TO THE PARENT THEY CROSSED THE BORDER WITH, WHICH IS A VERY TROUBLING REALITY.

>> CAITLIN DICKERSON, THANKS SO MUCH FOR TALKING WITH US TODAY.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

>>> AND FINALLY, SOME SAD NEWS ABOUT A TRULY REMARKABLE INDIVIDUAL.

ADY BARKEN, WHO TIRELESSLY CAMPAIGNED FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, HAS DIED FRUMP COMPLICATIONS OF ALS AT JUST 39 YEARS OLD.

HE LEAVES BEHIND AN INCREDIBLE LEGACY.

DIAGNOSED WITH A DISEASE JUST AFTER HIS SON WAS BORN IN 2016, HE BEGAN A MISSION TO TRANSFORM AMERICA'S HEALTH CARE SYSTEM WITH HIS CAMPAIGN, BE A HERO.

WHILE THE DISEASE GRADUALLY ROBBED ADY OF HIS MOTOR FUNCTIONS AND EVEN HIS SPEECH, IT DIDN'T KEEP HIM QUIET.

IN FACT, HE EVEN GREW LOUDER.

BACK IN 2021 I SPOKE TO HIM ABOUT HIS INSPIRING STORY, WHICH WAS BEING HIGHLIGHTED IN THE DOCUMENTARY "NOT GOING QUIETLY."

AND JUST A NOTE, AS ADY HAD A TRACHEOTOMY, WE SPOKE WITH THE HELP OF TECHNOLOGY.

HERE'S PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.

>> YES, I HAD RECEIVED A DEATH SENTENCE, BUT IT RENEWED MY PASSION AND COMMITMENT TO REDUCING INJUSTICE ELSEWHERE BECAUSE TOO MANY COMMUNITIES ACROSS OUR COUNTRY FACE DEATH SENTENCES IN DIFFERENT WAYS, WHETHER AT THE HANDS OF POLICE OR WHITE SUPREMACIST HATE CRIMES OR IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE THAT HIT BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES THE HARDEST.

I LEARNED TO PUT MY SUFFERING IN PERSPECTIVE AND USE IT TO DO WHAT I COULD TO LEAVE THE WORLD A LITTLE BETTER OFF.

>> YOUR WIFE, RACHEL, IS RIGHT THERE AT THE CENTER OF THE FILM WITH YOU.

YOU TWO WERE COLLEGE SWEETHEARTS.

HOW DID SHE REACT WHEN YOU WERE DIAGNOSED, AND HOW HAS SHE SUPPORTED YOU THROUGHOUT THESE YEARS AFTER?

>> WE WERE BOTH STUNNED.

HOW DO YOU REACT TO THAT?

I WAS ONLY 32 WHEN I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH ALS, AND RACHEL HAD JUST GIVEN BIRTH TO OUR BEAUTIFUL SON, CARL.

ON EVERY FRONT, THE WONDERFUL LIFE WE HAD LONG IMAGINED AND BUILT FOR OURSELVES HAD JUST BEGUN TO SPROUT.

WE DIDN'T HAVE VERY MUCH TIME TO PROCESS THE DEATH SENTENCE THAT I WAS GIVEN, BUT THE WEIGHT OF MY DIAGNOSIS CERTAINLY WORE HEAVILY ON US AS WE SCRAMBLED TO ADJUST.

THE CRUEL HAND THAT WE WERE DEALT DEMANDED THAT RACHEL NOT ONLY BE MOM TO OUR NEWBORN AND PROFESSOR TO HER STUDENTS AT UC SANTA BARBARA BUT NOW CAREGIVER TO HER HUSBAND.

OUR CARE SITUATION HAS SINCE CHANGED AS A RESULT OF THE YEAR SPENT FIGHTING WITH OUR INSURANCE COMPANY AND BECAUSE OF THE NETWALK OF OUR VERY GENEROUS FRIENDS WHO HELPED PAY FOR MY CARE.

NOW I GET TO LIVE A BEAUTIFUL LIFE AT HOME WITH MY FAMILY AND WATCH MY KIDS GROW UP BECAUSE OF 24-HOUR HOME CARE.

HOME CARE SAVED MY MARRIAGE AS RACHEL AND I GOT TO BE PARTNERS AND COPARENTS AGAIN INSTEAD OF PATIENT AND CAREGIVER.

BUT MY REALITY IS THE EXCEPTION.

EVEN GOOD HEALTH INSURANCE DOES NOT COVER THE FULL TIME CARE THAT LIVING WITH ALS REQUIRES.

BECAUSE OF THIS, MANY OTHERS WITH ALS ARE PLACED IN NURSING HOMES WHERE PATIENTS ARE MERELY WAREHOUSED AND ISOLATED FROM THEIR LOVED ONES.

TO BE HONEST, I DON'T KNOW THAT LIVING IN A NURSING HOME WOULD PROVIDE A QUALITY OF LIFE THAT I WOULD BE WILLING TO TOLERATE.

PRESIDENT BIDEN PROMISED A $400 BILLION INVESTMENT INTO HOME AND COMMUNITY BASED SERVICES TO PROVIDE THE DISABLED AND AGING COMMUNITY THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE AT HOME.

MY TEAM AT BE A HERO IS WORKING HARD TO ENSURE BIDEN MAKES GOOD ON HIS PROMISE SO AT THE VERY LEAST THE 820,000 SENIORS AND DISABLED PEOPLE ON WAITING LISTS FOR MEDICAID'S HOME CARE PROGRAM AREN'T FORCED TO LIVE IN UNSAFE NURSING HOME INSTITUTIONS AND INSTEAD CAN LIVE SAFELY AND WITH DIGNITY AT HOME.

>> AT HOME WITH YOUR FAMILY.

AND WE GET TO MEET BEAUTIFUL WILLOW AT THE END OF THIS MOVIE.

BUT TELL ME ABOUT CARL, YOUR SON.

HOW IMPORTANT HAS HE BEEN TO YOU THROUGHOUT ALL OF THIS?

AND DOES HE UNDERSTAND NOW THE REALITY OF YOUR CONDITION?

>> MY FIRST THOUGHT WHEN I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH ALS WAS TO VISIT CARL AT KINDERGARTEN.

WE'VE HAD SOME TOUGH CONVERSATIONS WITH CARL, AND UNDERSTANDABLY HE DOESN'T LIKE CONSUMING CONTENT RELATED TO ALS.

BUT A FEW WEEKS AGO HE SHARED A NEWFOUND INTEREST IN SEEING THE FILM PROBABLY BECAUSE EVERYONE WHO HAS SEEN THE DOC KEEPS TELLING HIM HOW SMART AND FUNNY HE IS.

HE CERTAINLY IS, BUT I WISH CARL WOULD SHARE WITH THE EDITORS BECAUSE THEY EXTENDED HIM A VERY GENEROUS EDIMATE.

EVERYTHING IS WORTH FIGHTING FOR BECAUSE OF CARL AND MY DAUGHTER, WILLOW.

AS A FATHER I'M WORKING TO LEAVE BEHIND A KINDLER AND GENTLER WORLD FOR MY KIDS SO AS THEY GROW UP THERE WILL BE A MORE FERTILE WORLD FOR THEM TO GROW, A JUST AND EQUITABLE WORLD.

>> IT'S CLEAR HOW MUCH CARL LOVES HIS BABA.

YOU HAVE A GREAT LINE EARLIER ON IN THE FILM AND THAT IS THE KNOWLEDGE I WAS DYING WAS TERRIBLE, BUT DEALING WITH MY INSURANCE COMPANY WAS EVEN WORSE.

CAN YOU TELL US WHY IT WAS SO BAD AND HOW THAT LED TO YOU CAMPAIGNING FOR MEDICARE FOR ALL?

>> RACHEL AND I WASTED AWAY SO MUCH OF THAT EARLY PRECIOUS TIME AFTER I HAD BEEN DIAGNOSED ON THE PHONE WITH OUR INSURANCE COMPANY NAVIGATING INFURIATING INSURANCE BUREAUCRACIES THAT ARE SETUP TO DENY US CARE AND ENRICH THE CEOs.

MY INSURANCE DENIED ME A VENTILATOR STATING THAT IT WAS EXPERIMENTAL, AND THEN TWO WEEKS AFTER THAT THEY DENY ME ACCESS TO AN FDA APPROVED ALS DRUG.

THE EXPERIENCE OF PLEADING FOR MY LIFE WAS COMPLETELY DEHUMANIZING, AND IT IS A FEELING I CARRY FORWARD WITH ME TO FUEL THE ADVOCACY I DO EVERY DAY.

BEFORE I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH ALS, I SPENT MY 20s IN THE STRUGGLE FOR ECONOMIC AND RACIAL JUSTICE FIGHTING AGAINST POWERFUL SPECIAL INTERESTS AS A YOUNG LAWYER IN NEW YORK CITY.

THERE, I HELPED A FEDERAL JUDGE OF STOP AND FRISK.

I COAUTHORED THE NEW YORK CITY PAID SICK DAYS LAW.

I LED A NATIONAL CAMPAIGN TO REFORM THE FEDERAL RESERVE SO THAT OUR ECONOMIC POLICIES WOULD ACTUALLY REFLECT AND SUPPORT THE LIVES OF EVERYDAY AMERICANS.

BUT AS THE BILLS PILED UP AND THE NEED FOR CARE INTENSIFIED, THE FOCUS OF MY WORK NATURALLY SHIFTED, AND THE LINES BETWEEN MY PERSONAL LIFE AND MY CAREER BEGAN TO BLUR.

BECAUSE OF OUR FOR PROFIT HEALTH CARE SYSTEM TOO MANY AMERICANS TODAY EITHER GO BANKRUPT OR DELAY MUCH NEED CARE.

OUR SYSTEM IS BEYOND REPAIR.

AND THOUGH I ALWAYS SUPPORTED THE MOVEMENT FOR MEDICARE FOR ALL, I DECIDED EARLY ON THAT THAT THIS FIGHT FOR HEALTH CARE, JUSTICE WAS THE FIGHT I'D DEDICATE THE REST OF MY LIFE.

>> THAT CONVERSATION WITH ADY IS THE MOST MOVING I'VE HAD THROUGHOUT MY CAREER.

WE'RE SENDING THEM ALL OF OUR LOVE AT THIS DIFFICULT TIME.

>>> AND BEFORE WE LEAVE YOU YOU, A MAJOR BLAST FROM THE PAST.

THE BEATLES ARE BACK.

THAT'S RIGHT.

TODAY ONE LAST SONG FROM THE FAB FOUR HAS BEEN RELEASED.

THE TRACK FEATURES THEM AND FEATURES ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE WHICH ISOLATES VOCALS FROM A DEMO TAPE.

TAKE A LISTEN.

♪ NOW AND THEN I MISS YOU OH, NOW AND THEN I WANT YOU TO BE THERE FOR ME ♪ >>> AND THAT'S IT FOR OUR PROGRAM TONIGHT.

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