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PROGRAM WE HAVE SOMETHING SPECIAL.

IT'S C.. HAVE SO MANY TOPICS WHICH WE CAN'T BROACH ON A WEEKLY BASIS BECAUSE OF TIME CONSTRAINTS.

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BUT FIRST LET'S GET THROUGH THE FIRST 30 MINUTES OF THE PROGRAM BY INTRODUCING THE PANELISTS.

THE MEDIA VETERAN, WENDY WIESE ALONG WITH THE ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH'S BILL MCCLELLAN.

ALSO FROM THE PD, MR. JOE HOLLEMAN AND FROM THE ST. LOUIS AMERICAN WE SAY HELLO AND GOOD EVENING TO ALVIN REID.

ALVIN, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE LATEST IN THE DIFFICULTY THIS REGION SEES ME HAVING SPENT $270 MILLION.

IT ACTUA.. YEARS AGO WE HAD THE SETTLEMENT, $270 MILLION IN THE NFL SETTLEMENT AFTER WE HAD THE SHORT LITIGATION.

WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SPEND IT.

THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN WOULD LIKE AN ENDOWMENT AND SENT AN ANGRY LETTER SAYING HIS ORGANIZATION WAS GOING AROUND THE OFFICIAL PROCESS.

THEN.. SAYING NO, HE WAS PARTICIPATING QUITE WELL, AND HE THOUGHT SHE HAD A SHAM PROCESS WITH A FOREGONE CONCLUSION, HIS WORDS, NOT MINE.

BUT HE ALSO SAID THE BUSINESSES WOULD LIKE TO SPEND $100 MILLION ON DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS IF 100 MILLION RAMS DOLLARS ARE SPENT IN DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS ALONG WITH $130 MILLION FOR NORTH AND SOUTH NEIGHBORHOODS.

YOUR OPINION, SIR.

>> OKAY.

WELL, I .. HUBEROUS AND AFTER ALL OF THIS YOU TELL ME YOU HAVE $100 MILLION.

IT WAS O.. YOU KNOW, I HATE TO, YOU KNOW, SAY THAT YOU COULD BUY YOUR WAY INTO BEING HEARD, BUT I'M LISTENING TO THAT 100 MILL.

IF THE BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO PUT 100 MILLION, THAT MAKES ME LEAN TOWARD THE DOWNTOWN NORTH PROJECT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

THAT'S 100 MILLION THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE.

IF SOMEBODY IS WILLING TO STEP UP IN THE BUSINESSES AND MATCH THAT GRANT, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M LISTENING A LITTLE BIT MORE SO WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.

>> I THINK JASON HALL IS A MAN WITH A PLAN.

I THINK THAT HE DOES NOT WANT THE EXCEEDINGLY -- WHAT IS IT GRINDING EXCEEDINGLY FIND WHEELS IN CITY HALL SLOWING HIM DOWN.

I GUESS WE HAVE TO ARRANGE THE ACTUAL MEETING BETWEEN MEGAN GREEN AND JASON HALL.

>> THEY ARE ON A PANEL TOGETHER, THINK, AT SOME EVENT TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE OF ST. LOUIS AND WORKING TOGETHER AND MIKE MCMILLAN IS ON IT.

THOSE TWO ARE ON IT AND ONE OTHER PERSON.

THAT'S INTERESTING.

>> YOU'RE RIGHT, THOUGH,.. $100 MILLION GETTING YOUR ATTENTION.

>> YOU ALSO HAVE.. JOB THE SLDC IS DOING GIVING AWAY FEDERAL MONEY.

AT FIRST I WENT ALONG WITH YOU, ALVIN, SAYING THE CITY AND THE COUNTY NOBODY IS SPENDING MONEY TOO QUICKLY.

BUT THAT'S A GOOD THING.

IT'S THOUGHTFUL.

NOW WE ARE SEAG THE WAY THE SLDC IS KIND OF THROWING MONEY AROUND HERE AND THERE, AND I THINK AT LEAST TAKE THIS MONEY AND DO SOMETHING WITH IT NOW.

GET THAT EXTRA 100 MILLION AND DO IT.

>> I AGREE.

WHATEVER THE PROCESS WAS, GREATER ST. LOUIS SAYS WE WILL PITCH IN $100 MILLION.

>> YOU ARE ON RECORD NOW.

>> THEY SAID THE DETAILS WERE.

>> THEY CLAIM THEY SENT A LETTER OR CONTACT WITH THE MAYOR BUT THE MAYOR DIDN'T CONTACT THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN, BUT THERE ARE NO REAL STRONG DEFINITE DETAILS ON THIS $230 MILLION PLAN.

WHAT IF THE $100 MILLION IS REALLY FOR IN-KIND SERVICES OR NET ASSET VALUE OF WHAT MIGHT BE $100 MILLION.

>>.. >> LET THE PROCESS GO.

HE JUST SAID THIS.

THERE'S MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME FOR PEOPLE TO PIN HIM DOWN AS TO WHAT HE MEANS.

>> BUT WE ALSO THIS WEEK HAD A 36-INCH WATER MAIN BREAK, AND IT AFFECTED WATER IN 6 NEIGHBORHOODS IN NORTH AND SOUTH ST. LOUIS, AND THERE WAS A BOIL ORDER BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID PEOPLE WERE GOING TO GET SICK.

I WAS WRONG LAST WEEK.

I SAID THERE WERE 50 WATER MAIN BREAKS LAST JANUARY.

I LOOKED IT UP.

THERE WERE 60 IN THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS.

URGENT CRITICAL ISSUE, MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN STREET SCAPES.

>> WE ARE NOT SAYING SPEND ALL $500 MILLION.

>>.. $400 MILLION PROGRAM.

>> I THINK THEY CA.. FOR LESS THAN $400 MILLION.

AND HE SAID THERE'S 200 MILLION, AND OTHERS SAID IT'S REALLY 400 MILLION.

>>..

IT SEEMS A LITTLE HIGH TO ME.

>> ON THIS SHOW I HAVE TALKED OF WATER MAINS, STREET REPAIRS, GARBAGE PICKUP.

I AGREE, AT LEAST WITH THE CONTENTION, THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN HAS LOOKED INTO IT AND HAVE A SURVEY.

I WROTE SEVERAL COLU.. THAT SURVEY.

MY POINT WAS, IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SURVEY TO KNOW WHAT THE PEOPLE YOU REPRESENT WANT.

>> OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PORTAL?

>> YES.

>..

NUMBERS, THE SHEER NUMBERS TO BACK UP HER CONTENTION.

>> AND THERE'S ALSO AN EASY WAY TO STEER WHERE YOU THINK THE MONEY SHOULD GO.

>> THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT.

>> ALL FREAKING OUT ABOUT -- YOU ARE SO ENTHUSED ABOUT $100 MILLION.

WE PROBABL..

INTO DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS SINCE I MOVED HERE IN 1988.

IF YOU INCLUDE THE HISTORIC TAX CREDITS AND THE REFURBISHMENT.

SCOTTS TRADE CENTER, UNION CENTER, UNION STATION, BALLPARK VILLAGE.

>> IT'S LIKE S.. MEGA MILLIONS IS ONLY $30 MILLION I DON'T PLAY, BUT WHEN IT'S UP TO 300 MILLION, THEN I WILL BUY A TICKET.

>> IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY.

>> SO YOU DON'T WANT IT?

>> FIX THE WATER MAINS AND THE LEAD PIPE?

YOU HAVE MORE MONEY TO DO THAT WITH IF SOMEBODY THROWS IN AN EXTRA $100 MILLION.

>> THE F.. GRAPPLING WITH NOT HAVING MONEY.

WE HAVE MONEY.

WE JUST CAN'T AGREE ON WHAT TO DO WITH IT AND IN THE MEANTIME YOU HAVE SHINGLES FALLING OFF THE ROOF.

THE BASEMENT IS FLOODED.

>> AND IT EVAPORATES.

>> THE CO-S INVOLVED GET LARGER.

>> WENDY, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT DOWNTOWN.

MICH.. WHO HAS DONE WORK ALL AROUND THE WORLD, HAS FIXED HIS SIGHTS ON CHESTERFIELD.

IN AN INTERVIE.. MAGAZINE, I THINK, HE SAID THAT CHESTER FEALD, AFTECHESTERFIELD, AFTER HE PUTS IN A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF HOUSING AND A TON OF RETAIL WHICH WILL INCLUDE UNDERGROUND PARKING, SO THE FIRST STREET LEVEL WILL BE RETAIL SHOPS, MAYBE CANDY STORES, WHOEVER KNOWS WHAT ELSE, HE IS GOING TO MAKE CHESTERFIELD THE CENTER OF THE REGION.

>> BEFORE I GET TO MR. STAENBERG, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY HELLO TO OUR FRIEND DONNA MCDONALD.

SHE'S WA.. WE HOPE YOU ARE DOING WELL, DONNA.

SP..

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

AND IT'S FRA..

WHEN YOU CONSIDER CHESTERFIELD, ONCE UPON A TIME, WHEN PEOPLE THOUGHT OF CHESTERFIELD THEY THOUGHT OF SUBDIVISIONS AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND THOUGHT OF OFFICE BUILDINGS.

NOW MICHAEL STAENBERG IS CREATING THIS DOWNTOWN CENTER.

I THINK THAT PEOPLE -- I THINK PEOPLE WOULD UNDERESTIMATE HIM AT THEIR PERIL, BECAUSE WHAT HE HAS IS THE DANIEL BOONE BRIDGE, AND HE HAS ST. CHARLES COUNTY, WHICH IS GROWING SO FAST THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.

I THINK AS PROMISED, IF HE DOESN'T PRICE OUT YOUNG PEOPLE, I'M NOT SURE HOW HE'S NOT GOING TO NOT PRICE OUT YOUNG PEOPLE, I THINK HE'S GOING TO DO IT.

>> YOU ARE NOT GOING TO PRICE OUT YOUNG PEOPLE WHERE SQUARE FOOT OF LAND COST A MILLION DOLLARS.

>..

UNLESS HE WANTS TO MAK.. PAUL AND ST. LOUIS AND STILL MINNEAPOLIS, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

DO.. BALL TEAM PLAYS, WHERE THE HOCKEY TEAM PLAYS, WHERE THE THEATERS ARE.

THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE.

IF PEOPLE WANT TO SHOP IN CHESTERFIELD AND GO TO THE LITTLE PLACE WHERE THEY HAVE CONCERTS AND WHAT NOT, BUT ST. LOUIS IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE HUB OF THE REGION.

THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO GET ST. LOUIS TOGETHER.

>> I BELIEVE WE NEED.. LOUIS TOGETHER BUT I'M AFRAID OF STAENBERG.

I'M ..

I COULD SEE THINGS DRIFTING AWAY.

CITY TO CLAYTON AS FAR AS BUSINESSES GO.

I COULD SEE THOSE HEADQUARTERS DRIFTING FURTHER WEST.

>> CLAYTON IS A GHOST TOWN.

AIN'T NOBODY HANGING OUT IN CLAYTON.

>.. FEALD IS GOINCHESTERFIELDIS GOING TO CHANG E. I REMEMBER BEING IN ST. LOUIS LONG ENOUGH TO REMEMBER IT WAS GUMBO FLATS.

IT'S BEEN VIEWED AS A VETERAN COMMUNITY FOR NOW DECADES.

I THINK THAT MIGHT CHANGE AS CLAYTON IS THIS BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL CENTER.

I BELIEVE CHESTERFIELD IS UPPING ITS GAME, NO DOUBT, AND IT'S GOING TO BECOME A MAJOR CITY IN ST. LOUIS COUNTY, BUT AS ALVIN SAID, UNTIL THEY HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE TO SEE THE BLUES PLAY HOCKEY, CARDINALS PLAY BASEBALL, THEY HAVE THE SYMPHONIES.

ONCE THEY GET THAT, TALK TO ME ABOUT BEING A HUB.

>> YOU MENTIONED THERE ARE THEATERS DOWNTOWN.

I THINK THERE'S ONE.

IS THERE ANOTHER ONE?

>> THE THING ABOUT ST. LOUIS, GRAND AVENUE HAS THE FOX, AND THAT'S REALLY THE PROBLEM.

WE HAVE THE FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES IN CLAYTON, NOT DOWNTOWN.

WE H.. CENTER AND SPORTS DOWNTOWN.

THERE'S NO NEXUS RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S NO HUB.

>> GRAND CENTER IS STILL IN THE CITY.

>> IT'S .. >> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS.

>&g..

THE CITY IS GOING TO BE THE HUB.

>> HOW CAN IT BE IF IT'S LOSING 5 TO 10,000 PEOPLE EVERY YEAR.

>> AND WHEN 45,000 KEEP COMING DOWN TO SEE THE CARDINALS.

AND THEY WILL WHEN THEY WIN.

>> HAVE YOU SEEN -- CALL YOURSELF THE FUTURE HUB.

AND YOU SAY WE ARE GOING TO BE THE FUTURE HUB.

>> THEY USED TO MAKE FUN OF ST. CHARLES, AND ST. CHARLES HAS DOUBLE THE SIDE.

>> NEVER MADE FUN OF ST. JOE.

THE JOE HOLLEMANS LIVE IN THE CITY AND SAY THAT THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT CITIES GROWING AND OFFERING THINGS.

ARE THEY GOING TO REPLACE .. LOUIS AS THE HUB?

NO.

&g.. >> OUTSIDE OF KANSAS CITY.

KANSAS CITY IS THE HUB OF THAT REGION NO MATTER WHAT OVERLAND PARK DOES.

>> WE WILL SEE WHA..

THE CHIEFS AND ROYALS ON ANOTHER PROGRAM.

.. TODAY.

ALVIN I'M GOIN.. YOU, BECAUSE THERE WAS ACTUALLY TWO INTERVIEWS WITH BILLIONAIRES WITH ST. LOUIS WITH THE ST. LOUIS BUSINESS JOURNAL.

JIM MCCELVEY AND BOB CLARK.

AND SIM DIVIDES HIS TIME BETWEEN FLORIDA AND ST. LOUIS, BUT BOTH OF THEM ARE YOUNG GUYS WHO ARE GUYS WHO DID REALLY WELL.

AND THE QUESTION WAS COULD THEY BECOME THE NEXT DAN GILBERT?

DAN IS THE MAN BEHIND QUICKEN LOANS.

HE BOUGHT 130 BUILDI.. DETROIT, $6 MILLION.

WHO DOES THAT?

HE OWNS 130 BUILDINGS AND TRANSFORMING THAT AREA.

COULD SOMEONE LIKE THAT DO THAT IN DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS?

>> SOMEBODY SHOULD DO THAT IN DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS.

AND AND WHAT IS KIND OF TELL TELL IS THE BUSINESS JOURNAL ASKED SOME OF OUR BILLIONAIRES JUST TO COMMENT ON IT.

AND THEY SAID WE HAVE NO COMMENT, AND SOME EVEN RESPOND TO THE QUESTION.

I DON'T GET THAT.

SAY YES, SAY NO, SAY MAYBE SO.

SAY WE WILL LOOK INTO IT.

SAY SOMETHING.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND LISTEN.

NEXT TIME ANY OF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT, BECAUSE YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE TO SAY YES OR NO, I WILL THROW SOME OF MY MONEY TO IT.

ONE OF THE THINGS PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT DETROIT WHEN DAVE WAS THE MAYOR AFTER HIM, THEY KILLED WHOLE SWATHS OF LAND UP THERE.

LOOK.

WE A.. CLEARED IT.

>> FOUR YEARS YOU HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT.

>> I HAVE BEEN A REPORTER SO LONG, I HATE ANYBODY REFUSING TO COMMENT ON ANYTHING.

HOWEVER, IF I WERE ONE OF THE BILLIONAIRES AND LOOKING AT THE SITUATION IN ST. LOUIS RIGHT NOW AND THERE'S A MAYORAL ELECTION COMING UP AND I WOULD THINK IF I WERE HONEST, IF I WERE TO SAY I DON'T WANT TO THROW IN A BILLION DOLLARS OR A BUNCH OF MONEY IN ST. LOUIS RIGHT NOW UNDER PRESENT LEADERSHIP, EVERYBODY WOULD BE SCREAMING.

SO I THINK OH, THE BILLIONAIRES MIGHT SAY I DON'T WANT TO COMMENT.

>.. THAT.

BOB .. THAT HE'S NOT GOING TO WORK WITH ST. LOUIS AS LONG AS MAYOR TISHAURA JONES IS STILL IN POWER.

>.. ME ABOUT THIS, ONE, FOR BETTER OR WORSE, AND I AGREE WITH BILL, I HATE WITH PEOPLE KNOW COMMENT BECAUSE I'M A REPORTER.

IT IS ONE OF THE PERKS OF BEING A BILLIONAIRE IS YOU GET TO NOT COMMENT WHEN YOU DON'T WANT TO, WHERE POLITICIANS DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT.

THE OTHER THING IT S.. OF ALL I FIND IT INTERESTING YOU FIND INVESTMENT IN DOWNTOWN TO BE CRUCIAL WHEN IT SEEMED LIKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES AGO NOW YOU WANT SOMEBODY TO BUY THE BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN AND YOU NEED MONEY FOR THAT.

>> APPARENTLY INVESTING IN YOUR HUB IS A GOOD MOVE.

THE OTHER THING IS HE SAID IT WAS A BILLIONAIRE AND A CITY LEADER WHO WAS SHOWING A DIFFERENT WAY TO DO THINGS.

SO IT TAKES BOTH OF THOSE THINGS, AND I THINK MAYBE THE BILLIONAIRES ARE NOT SEEING CITY LEADERSHIP THAT'S UP TO THE TASK.

..

BILLIONAIRE BY PUTTING MONEY INTO BAD PROJECTS.

>> OR NOT KNOWING WHERE THE DUST WILL SETTLE AFTER THE MAYORAL ELECTION.

WHO .. SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, LHM, THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH ADDITIONAL MONEY.

>> THAT WAS MS. JONES REGARDING ROBERT O'LAUGHLIN.

>> YOU CAN'T TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO DO.

NEED TO JUST SAY I DON'T WANT TO DO IT RIGHT NOW UNDER THE ATMOSPHERE.

I MAY .. SAID.

WHY CAN'T A BILLIONA..

THEY WERE TRYING TO THROW PENNIES TOGETHER, THE OLD FUR EXCHANGE, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M GOING TO BUY THE FUR EXCHANGE AND MAKE IT INTO SOMETHING.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO THE MAYOR IS.

IT DOESN'T MATTER THE POLITICS.

>> I THINK BILLIONAIRES HAVE DONE A LOT.

THEY PUT A LOT OF JACK INTO THIS TOWN ALREADY.

EVERYBODY THAT'S MENTIONED, WHETHER IT'S BOB CLARK, DAVID STEWART, WHATEVER, AND WE LOST ONE OF THE GREATS THIS WEEK, BOB LOVE.

&g.. ALVIN -- RATHER.

>> I DIDN'T DO IT.

>> FORMER MAYOR OF THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS WANTS 2 MILLION FEDERAL DOLLARS TO RENOVATE HIS NIGHTCLUB OR BAR IN NORTH ST. LOUIS UP ON GRAND.

I THINK IT'S 3517.

>> BY FAIRGROUND PARK.

>> HE DIDN'T GET $2 MILLION BUT HE'S AWARDED $125 MILLION.

HE HAS THE GRAND SOWED I CAN'T BEING LOUNGE AND A KITCHEN THAT NEEDS ABOUT $75,000 IN WORK.

HE NEEDS PAINTING FOR 40,000.

DO YOU THINK FEDERAL DOLLARS SHOULD BE SPENT ON TOUGH POINTING A BAR IN NORTH ST. LOUIS?

>> THAT'S THE QUESTION ABOUT THE ENTIRE PROGRAM.

THE CITY'S PLAN IS TO TAKE $37 MILLION OF COVID RELIEF MONEY AND DISTRIBUTE IT TO BUSINESSES ON THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH HISTORICALLY HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED WHEN IT CAME TO CITY LEADERS, MOSTLY WHITE, IGNORING A MOSTLY BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY ARE TRYING TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO TO HELP.

THAT'S A NOBLE ON PAPER GOAL.

THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN IN THE PROCESS THAT'S BEING USED WHERE APPARENTLY NOBODY SEEMS TO BE HAPPY WITH IT.

I ORIGINALLY CONTACTED -- THERE'S BEEN CHARGES THAT POLITICAL CONNECTIONS SEEM TO HAVE COME INTO PLAY WITH SOME OF THESE AWARDS, THAT THEY WERE THE POLITICALLY CONNECTED.

I FIND THE EXMAYOR IS GETTING 125,000, THOUGHT HE WOULD HAVE PRAISE FOR THE PROGRAM.

HE'S SAYING IT'S NOT ENOUGH AND THAT A LOT OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE GETTING MONEY JUST STARTED AFTER THE PROGRAM WAS ANNOUNCED, WHICH SOUNDS A BIT SUSPICIOUS AS DARLENE GREEN HAS POINTED OUT.

HE HAS PROBLEMS WITH THE PROGRAMS, AND HE'S GETTING 125,000.

I .. YOU GET 125, AND I HONESTLY THOUGHT HE WOULD HAVE SOME DEFENSE OF THE PROGRAM.

HE CRITICIZED IT AS WELL AS PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T GET ANYTHING AND SLDC GAVE THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T GET ANYTHING 12,500 WHICH THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOW CALLING HUSH MONEY, AND THEY DON'T WANT IT.

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THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH MONEY GIVEN TO BUSINESSES THAT AREN'T EVEN BUSINESSES.

ST. LOUIS RIVER MUSEUM WHICH TURNS OUT TO BE HEADQUARTERED IN A HOUSE IN THE CENTRAL WEST END, WEEDS OVERGROWN, NOBODY KNOCKING ON THE DOOR.

BUSINESSES THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN FIND.

I THOU..

THOUGHT OF FREEMAN BOSSILY WANTING MORE THAN A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.

AND THE NEGRO MAYOR THEY CALLED HIM BACK IN THE '50s AND '60s, AND THE ONLY TWO BUSINESSES THAT A BLACK ENTREPRENEUR COULD HAVE WERE FUNERAL BUSINESSES AND NIGHTCLUBS.

YOU KNOW, CHAMBERS HAD THE PEOPLE'S UNDERTAKING COMPANY AND THE CLUB RIVIERA O'DELL MARCH ON ON.. AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT REALLY WOULD HELP A CITY.

I'M NOT SURE BOSSILY IS THE GUY, BUT I JUST THOUGHT IT'S AN INTRIGUING IDEA.

I DID NOT LOOK A SCANS.

>> I DIDN'T EITHER.

I DIDN'T AT ALL.

BILL IS RIGHT.

IF YOU WERE GOING TO TRANSFORM A LARGE PART OF NORTH ST. LOUIS, YOU HAVE TO START WITH THE SMALL PART OF NORTH ST. LOUIS.

IF I HAD MAYBE NOT A BILLION BUT IF I HAD $2 BILLION, I WOULD MAKE THAT A PROJECT WHERE I SAID YOU KNOW WHAT, RIGHT THERE WHERE HE IS, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT.

I WOULD SAY YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO DO?

MAKE THIS THE SAFEST BLOCK.. NORTH ST. LOUIS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A RESTAURANT, CLUB, WHATEVER.

WHEN YOU ARE ON THIS BLOCK, YOU WILL BE SAFE.

YOU WILL HAVE A GOOD TIME.

IT'S STARTING SMALL, BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND CRAZY TO ME.

>> THIS IS SOMETHING THAT BILL HAS ALWAYS -- YOU'VE ALWAYS POINTED TO SEWERED, BLOCK BY BLOCK BSUWARD, AND HE HASSKIN IN THE GAME.

>> PEOPLE IN MAIN SHOULD BE PAYING.

>> YOU KNOW WHAT THE SHELF LIFE OF A BAR IS, ABOUT 18 MONTHS.

>> LOOK WHAT SLDC IS GIVING MONEY TO.

>> HE HAS A POLITICALLY CONNECTED FAMILY.

HE'S GOT A LAW DEGREE.

HE'S THE MAYOR.

WHY DOES HE NEED A HANDOUT?

>> HE'S A BUSINESSMAN.

>> SO WHAT?

>> I'M SURE THERE'S SOMEPLACE THEY CAN MEET IN THE MIDDLE.

>> SOME ARGUMENT THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT HERE IS WHY THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROGRAM, EXACTLY HOW ARE YOU DOING THIS, WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS, WHICH IS WHY IT'S PUT ON HOLD, TO LOOK AT IT, TO SAY DID WE MAKE SOME MISTAKES.

AND .. FINE REPORTING FROM AUSTIN, THEY HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS, AND THERE ARE QUESTIONS.

EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO GOT MONEY HAVE QUESTIONS.

>> AMEN.

BILL.. MINUTES OR LESS TO DISCUSS JULY AN ALCALA, FLORISSANT POLICE OFFICER WHO HAS BEEN CHARGED BY THE FEDS.

PRETTY SERIOUS.

ONE FELONY COUNT OF OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE, I THINK IT WAS DESTROYING EVIDENC.. MISDEMEANORS, BECAUSE HE'S ACCUSED OF TAKING PHOTOS -- NUDE PHOTOS HE FOUND ON WOMEN'S CELL PHONES WHEN HE TOOK HIS CELL PHONES PROPURITIEDLY T PURPORT DISLI PURPO RTEDLY LOOK AT DRIVER'S LICENSE INFORMATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT'S A BAD THI.. TO SOME EXTENT WHY DO WOMEN HAVE NUDE PHOTOS OF THEMSELVES ON THEIR PHONES?

>> CHARLIE, YOU DID REALLY WELL UNTIL YOU HIT THAT BUTTON.

IT'S A TERRIBLE THING HE DID, PEEPING TOM, ABUSE OF AUTHORITY, EVERYTHING ELSE.

HE SHOUL.. AND THEY WANT TO PUT HIM IN JAIL FOR A WHILE, I THINK THAT'S FINE, AND THE LAST THING WE SHOULD DO IS QUESTION WHY THE WOMEN HAD NUDES.

>> WHY?

>> BECAUSE THEY CAN.

IF A WOMAN HAS A PHOTOGRAPH OF PERS IHERSELF IN HER HOME AND A POLICE OFFICER COMES IN, IS THERE NOT THE PRESUMPTION OF SECURITY, THAT I'M SECURE WITH THIS PERSON IN MY HOME THAT HE'S NOT GOING TO TAKE IT.

>> ERIC GREITENS HAS GOT IN TROUBLE FOR NUDE PHOTOS.

DON'T TAKE NUDE PHOTOS OF YOURSELF ON THE CELL PHONES.

IT'S THE ROGE ROGER THEORY.

EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE BEEN OKAY IF THE LEAD CHARACTER HADN'T ACTED LIKE AN IDIOT.

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RESPOND.

>> WE ARE GOING TO THE OLD MAILBAG.

WE LOOK FORWAR.. NEXT WEEK.

LET'S GO TO THE OLD MAILBAG.

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