>>> HELLO, I'M KYLE DYER AND WELCOME TO COLORADO INSIDE OUT ON THIS FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 22nd.

LET ME GET RIGHT TO INTRODUCING YOU TO THIS WEEK'S INSIDER PANEL.

PATTY CALHOUN, FOUNDER AND EDITOR OF WESTWORD.

KRISTA KAFER, COLUMNIST WITH THE DENVER POST.

MARIANNE GOODLAND, CHIEF LEGISLATIVE REPORTER WITH COLORADO POLITICS AND THE DENVER AND COLORADO SPRINGS GAZETTES.

LAURA ALDRETE, A CITY BUILDING CONSULTANT AND FORMER PLANNING DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY AND COUNTY OF DENVER.

COLORADO HAS RECEIVED MORE NATIONAL ATTENTION THIS WEEK FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.

LET'S START WITH HOW COLORADO IS HOME TO PRESIDENT ELECT TRUMP'S PICK TO LEAD THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY.

MEANWHILE, GOVERNOR POLIS IS DEFENDING VERY PUBLICLY ONE OF THE OTHER APPOINTEES.

PATTY, LET'S START WITH YOU.

>> WHEN WE FIRST HEARD OF THE ROBERT F. KENNEDY IT WAS GOING THAT WAY WITH TRUMP'S APPOINTMENTS.

WE CALLED THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE TO FIND OUT HE WAS HACKED.

WE FOUND OUT HE WASN'T.

I WAS ON A PLANE WHEN ALL THESE CRAZY NOMINATIONS.

WHO WILL HAPPEN NEXT?

IT WAS CHRIS WRIGHT.

IT WAS A COLORADOAN.

GIVEN ALL THE OTHER CRAZIES.

HE IS SOUNDING LIKE A VOICE OF REASON WHICH I WOULD ARGUE HE IS NOT.

HE IS A FRACKER.

HE IS A CLIMATE CHANGE DENIER.

HE IS SMART, HE DID THE NORTH FACE WHEN THEY WOULD NOT PARTNER.

HE IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING.

THE FIRST ENERGY CZAR CAME FROM COLORADO.

>> I WOULDN'T GO WITH THE WORD UNUSUAL.

I WOULD GO WITH SOMETHING MORE COLORFUL.

WE WILL GO WITH CLOWN SHOW.

THERE ARE SERIOUS PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, CRAZY RFK.

SOME OTHER PEOPLE SHOULD NEVER BE NOMINEES TO ANYTHING.

AND THEN WE HAVE SOME SERIOUS PEOPLE.

SOME PEOPLE WHO SERVED IN THE SENATE AND GOVERNORS.

AMONG THE SERIOUS PEOPLE I WOULD SAY CHRIS WRIGHT.

HE HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THE FIELD OF ENERGY.

IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO ONE OF HIS SITES, IT IS EQUALLED A QUIET FLEET TECHNOLOGY.

I THINK HE IS THE RIGHT GUY FOR IT.

HE UNDERSTANDS WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THE ABOVE.

OUR BEST SAVINGS COMES FROM USING NATURAL GAS INSTEAD OF COAL.

LOOKING AT BIOMASS, LOOKING AT WIND.

I WANT TO SEE WHO HAS DONE THE WORK WE NEED.

>> WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS HE GETS FROM THE SENATE FOR HIS CONFIRMATION.

WHAT HIS VIEWS ARE ON THE ENERGY CREDITS AND ENERGY INVESTMENTS THAT HAVE COME OUT OF THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT.

THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THESE BILLS NO REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR IT.

THAT HAS HAD A LOT OF TAX CREDIT FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE.

A LOT HAS GONE INTO RED STATES.

ARE REPUBLICANS GOING TO BE WILLING AND THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WILLING TO ROLL BACK OR REDUCE SOME OF THOSE TAX CREDITS.

WITH THE BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE LAW.

THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF INVESTMENT IN CLEAN ENERGY.

THERE HAS BEEN CONVERSATION ABOUT REPEALING THAT.

AGAIN, THESE ARE THINGS THAT CREATED JOBS IN RED STATES.

THERE IS A LOT OF DISCOMFORT WITH THE CONGRESS OVER WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO ABOUT THOSE TWO ACTS.

WHICH STILL HAVE TWO YEAR SHELF LIFE.

THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO GO THROUGH 2026.

I WOULD LOVE TO BE CELEBRATE A NOMINATION FROM COLORADO.

THAT IS ALWAYS GOOD FOR OUR STATE.

I HAD HOPED WE LEARNED THE LESSON IN THE '80s WHEN WE WERE A SINGLE ECONOMY IN PARTICULAR IN OIL IN GAS.

WE WOKE UP DIVERSE IS GREAT FOR THE ECONOMY.

AS A BUSINESS PERSON, I'M BACK IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

YOU SAY YES, TO EVERYTHING.

YOU PUSH EVERYTHING BECAUSE THERE IS GOOD TO COME OUT OF THAT DIVERSIFICATION.

IT FEELS LIKE THERE IS A PERSONAL -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY VAN DEBT THAT THAT HE MIGHT IGNORE ALL THE OTHER ALTERNATIVES.

CONTINUE DOWN THAT PATH OF EXPLORATION.

>>> WILL OPERATION AURORA REALLY HAPPEN?

WHAT WILL IT LOOK LIKE?

PRESIDENT ELECT TRUMP IS EXPECTED TO DECLARE A NATIONAL EMERGENCY AND WILL USE MILITARY ASSETS TO ORGANIZE MASS DEPORTATION.

WE HAVE HEARD A LOT OF THIS TALK.

WE HEARD THE MAYOR TALK ABOUT IT.

I'M GOING TO START WITH YOU KRISTA.

>> I WISH THEY WOULD STOP TALKING IT ABOUT OPERATION AURORA.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO COME OVER THE BORDER WHO SHOULD NOT BE HERE.

A LOT CAME THROUGH LEGALLY.

THEY ARE HERE UNDER HUMANITARIAN PAROL.

THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HERE UNTIL THEY HAVE A HEARING.

I'M GLAD THERE ARE GROUPS SAYING WE ARE HERE TO BACK PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE LEGALLY.

IT IS NOT SO SIMPLE.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTRY TO SEND PEOPLE BACK.

>> I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY.

I WORRY ABOUT THE TRAUMA THAT PEOPLE OF COLOR WILL BE EXPERIENCING WHAT HE HAS PLANNED.

>> THE UNCERTAINTY IS SCARING SO MANY.

>> THAT IS THE CASE.

THE MIGRANTS DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

REMEMBER WE VOTED TO INVESTIGATE THE NON-PROFITS.

THAT IS UNDERWAY WHETHER OR NOT TRUMP CARRIES THROUGH.

YOU HAVE BEEN SAYING SMART THINGS ABOUT THE ECONOMY.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT TRUMP IS DOING ANYTHING SMART.

>> THIS IS A SYSTEM THAT IS BEGGING FOR REFORM.

>> SEEING A LITTLE DIFFERENT ANGLE.

CDOT CAME THIS WEEK WITH THEIR TRANSPORTATION VISION WHICH HAD THREE GREAT GOALS.

I THINK INCREASED QUALITY OF LIFE.

IT REALLY MISSES THE BOAT IN TERMS OF ACKNOWLEDGING THERE IS A REAL ESTATE THAT CONTINUES TO ENCOURAGE THE CHEAPEST HOUSING AT THE EDGE OF THE CITY.

IN ORDER TO AFFORD HOUSING, YOU ARE GOING TO DRIVE -- UNTIL YOU CAN AFFORD YOUR HOUSING.

IT IS GOING TO ENCOURAGE AND CONTINUE THE PATTERN WE HAVE BEEN IN.

NICE TRY FOR CDOT.

I FEEL THEY MISSED THE BOAT.

THEY ARE STILL NOT ANSWERING THE HARD QUESTIONS HOW WE MAKE SUB SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE.

>> THAT ANNOUNCEMENT CAME WITH GOVERNOR POLIS FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

>> POLIS DID MENTION, YOU CAN'T TAKE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION UNTIL IT IS WORKING.

WE -- THE LEGISLATURE DIDN'T GO THROUGH WITH WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT LAST YEAR WITH TRYING TO MAKE SOME REAL CHANGES TO RTD.

IF THEY ARE DOING THEIR JOB, THEY WILL DO THAT THIS YEAR.

IN THE MEANTIME THEY HAVE -- PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING FOR THE LEGISLATURE SHOULD THINKING IF THEY WANT TO KEEP THAT SEAT BEFORE THEY CAMPAIGN.

NO ONE ENTERS INTO ANOTHER CAMPAIGN WITHOUT THINKING MAYBE I SHOULD RETIRE NOW.

YOU DON'T DECIDE THAT TWO WEEKS AFTER YOUR ELECTION.

IT IS A SHAME THEY ARE NOT TAKING SERIOUS ENOUGH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO REPLACE THEM.

THE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE VOTED BY THE RESIDENTS OF COLORADO AND NOT BY A LITTLE COMMITTEE.

>> KRISTA YOUR THOUGHTS?

>> I WANT TO GIVE A SHOTOUT TO ROSE THEY GAIN SOME SEATS.

IT IS BECAUSE AND OTHERS RAISED THE MONEY, RAN SMART CANDIDATES, DID WHAT WAS NECESSARY TO CHANGE AND TO BRING REPUBLICANS -- NEW REPUBLICANS INTO THE HOUSE.

I THINK IT IS AN INTERESTING CONTRAST.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE COLORADO GOP WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO DO THOSE THINGS.

THEY WEREN'T DOING ANY OF IT.

AS FOR VISION 2035.

I DON'T THINK IT IS REALISTIC.

RATHER THAN INVEST IN THE BIKE WALK TRANSIT.

THEY GET RID OF THESE HUB LANES.

MOST PEOPLE ARE USING OUR CARS TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B.

LET'S BE REALISTIC.

>> KRISTA MENTIONED HOW THERE WERE REPUBLICAN GAINS.

WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING?

WHAT IS YOUR VIBE?

>> HOUSING WILL CONTINUE TO BE A CONVERSATION POINT.

I'M HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS.

I DON'T THINK YOU WILL SEE A RETURN TO WHAT WE SAW IN THE 2023 SESSION.

I THINK PEOPLE HAVE LEARNED THEIR LESSONS.

WE DO HAVE A LOT OF LAWMAKERS.

>> WE WILL BE GATHERING IN OUR HOMES.

HOME TO A LOT COLORADOANS IS A STRESSOR.

THE IDEA OF EVER HAVING A HOME SEEMS UNATTAINABLE.

THE DENVER MAYOR ANNOUNCING THAT 2025 HIS ADMINISTRATION WILL HELP 1,000 PEOPLE WHO ARE CURRENTLY HOMELESS.

GET THEM INTO PERMANENT HOUSING.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS?

IS IT THE SAME PLAN?

>> I'M NOT SURE HE KNEW.

I WOULD SAY I WOULD GUESS HE DID NOT KNOW THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TRANSITIONAL AND PERMANENT HOUSING A YEAR AGO.

HE JUST CAME IN AND HE SAID I'M TAKING OUT OF ENCAMPMENTS AND PUTTING THEM IN HOTELS.

THERE IS SEVERAL GOVERNMENT ADMINISTRATION AS WELL AS ZONING CODES.

I THINK HE IS A LOT WISER OR KNOWLEDGEABLE A YEAR IN TO HIS ADMINISTRATION.

I THINK ALSO HE IS RETRACTING FROM THE 2R FAILURE WHICH WAS A COMMENT FROM THE CITIZENS PERFORMANCE OVERALL.

THAT IS MY PERSONAL OPINION.

HE TRIED TO TARGET TOWARDS NURSES, FIRE FIREFIGHTERERS, TEACHERS THAT MIDDLE INCOME GROUP THAT IS THE BACKBONE OF OUR CITY.

I'M DISAPPOINTED HE IS JUMPING BACK TO HOMELESSNESS.

I REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON THE BACKBONE OF OUR CITY AND MAKE SURE THAT IS SOLID FOR US.

>> PATTY?

>> PART OF THE PROBLEM, I THINK THE REASON IT WENT DOWN IN THE CITY.

WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE THE IT IS NOT YOU JUST CAN'T GET HOUSING.

EVEN IF YOU HAVE HOUSING, YOU ARE GETTING DINGED FOR A LOT OF THINGS YOU DIDN'T PAY FOR LIKE TRASH AND RESIDENTIAL PARKING.

WHEN 2R CAME UP IT DIDN'T SEEM TO SPEAK TO THE PROBLEMS A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH.

COUPLE THAT WITH TWO YEARS, A YEAR AND A HALF A FOCUS ON FIRST HOMELESSNESS AND THEN MIGRANTS.

JOHNSTON HAD TO DEAL WITH THAT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE STREETS THEY LOOK MUCH BETTER.

PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR CONCRETE IDEAS HOW THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE THEIR LIVES BETTER.

WE WILL SEE THAT COMING UP, I THINK, IN THE NEXT YEAR.

>> HOME OWNERSHIP IS EXPENSIVE.

I HAD MY HOUSE FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS.

RECENTLY WITH THAT HIKE IN THE ASSESSMENT AND MY LOCAL TAXES.

MY MORTGAGE IS SO MUCH MORE.

EVEN MY -- THE OTHER KINDS OF THINGS, INSURANCE COVERAGE AND ALL THAT HAS GONE UP TO A POINT IT IS KIND OF TOUGH.

AND SO WHAT I WOULD URGE SOME OF THESE LEADERS THEY GOT TO LOOK AT THESE RATES.

THEY GOT TO -- I REALIZE IT IS GOOD FOR A CITY.

I LOVE OUR PARKS, WE GOT GREAT POLICE AND FIRE.

WE GOT ALL KINDS OF GREAT THINGS IN THIS CITY.

BUT I'M STRUGGLING TO MAKE ENDS MEET.

I KNOW I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE.

THE DEGREE THEY -- NEW PROGRAMS, MAYBE THAT HELPS.

ON THE OTHER SIDE WHICH IS THE TAXATION PART, CITY COUNCIL AND MAYORS CAN DO SIGNIFICANT THINGS TO BRING DOWN THAT BURDEN.

>> MARIANNE?

>> ONE THING THAT I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING THIS WEEK WAS DENVER APPROVING ADU'S.

THIS IS SOMETHING A BIG DISCUSSION POINT.

THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE LEGISLATURE DID APPROVE, MAKING CHANGES TO ALLOW FOR THAT.

I'M FASCINATED TO SEE WHETHER THAT TAKES HOLD IN DENVER WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COST OF BUILDING AND ADU.

ARE PEOPLE ABLE TO AFFORD -- CAN THEY AFFORD TO DO THAT.

I'D BE REALLY SURPRISED.

YOU LOOK AT THINGS LIKE FEES TO GET WATER, TO GET SEWER TO THESE NEW DWELLINGS.

THIS MAY BE A PATH FORWARD FOR THE TEACHERS, THE FIRE FIREFIGHTERS AND THAT KIND OF THING.

THESE AREN'T LUXURY HOMES.

THESE ARE THINGS INTENDED FOR SMALL FAMILIES, FOR COUPLES, FOR RETIREES.

I WILL BE INTERESTED TO SEE IF THE PEOPLE EMBRACE THE IDEA OF HAVING A SECOND HOME ON THEIR PROPERTIES.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE HIGHS AND THE LOWS THIS WEEK.

PATTY, WE WILL START WITH THE LOW.

>> I'M TAKING THE LOW.

IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO BISHOP CASTLE AN EXAMPLE PEOPLE COME TO COLORADO.

THEY THINK THEY CAN DO WHATEVER WHAT THEY WANT.

HE BUILT A CASTLE.

IT IS AN INCREDIBLE PLACE.

HE JUST PASSED AWAY THIS WEEK.

IF YOU HAVE INFER BEEN GO THERE.

HIS SON IS TRYING TO KEEP IT GOING.

>> OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

>> I WANT TO SAY I REALLY WISH THAT GOVERNOR POLIS HAD NOT SHOWN ENTHUSIASM FOR RFK.

WE HAVE NO BUSINESS PRAISING PEOPLE LIKE RFK.

>> OKAY.

>> THE CLOWN CAR FOR THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION NO LONGER INCLUDES MATT GATES.

IT INCLUDES SOME QUESTIONABLE INDIVIDUALS.

I WAS READING, YESTERDAY WITH REGARD TO THE FORMER CONGRESSPERSON FROM HAWAII THAT IF SHE WINDS UP BEING THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE OUR ALLIES WILL STOP SHARING INTELLIGENCE WITH US.

THAT IS A GENUINE CONCERN.

AND YOU HAVE RFK JR.

I REALIZE THAT GOVERNOR POLIS THAT IS THE WAY HE TALKS.

THIS IS HOW YOU KNOW A PERSON IS.

>> LAURA?

>> ELLEN DEGENEROUS SAID THEY ARE LEAVING BECAUSE OF TRUMP.

JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE SOMETHING OR AFRAID YOU CAN LEAVE AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AS AN AMERICAN, YOUR OBLIGATION TO DEMOCRACY IN YOUR COUNTRY IS TO HAVE THOSE HARD CONVERSATIONS YOU DON'T AGREE WITH AND TRY TO HEAR THEM AND TRY TO HEAR THE MIDDLE OF AMERICA.

AND IT IS JUST DISAPPOINTING THAT SHE IS CELEBRATING SHE IS LEAVING HER OWN COUNTRY AND NOT WAIVING HER COUNTRY AND SAY LGBTQ CONTINUE TO HAVE THEIR RIGHTS HERE.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT SOMETHING HIGH.

>> YOU HAVE THE DOWNTOWN SKATING RINK IS OPENING.

YOU HAVE THE CHRIS KENDALL MARKET.

YOU HAVE THE NEW DRONE SHOW.

WE WILL SOON HAVE THE LIGHTING OF UNION STATION.

IT IS ALL FREE.

GET OUT AND SEE.

>> THIS WEEK THE WEATHER IS GOING TO BE WARM.

>> CHERRY CREEK -- >> EVERYBODY IS GETTING LIT THIS WEEKEND.

>> KUDOS TO THE U.S. SENATE.

THE ADULTS SET SOON TO BE DONALD TRUMP.

WE WILL MAKE SURE THEY DON'T BE SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY CAN DONE SOME DAMAGE.

>> MARIANNE.

>> MY FOOTBALL TEAM ARE 10 AND 0.

HOPEFULLY TAKE ON OHIO STATE.

HOPEFULLY WE GET A BIG WIN.

BUT GO HOOSIERS.

>> GO HOOSIERS.

>> I DECIDED TO CREATE A BINGO CARD OF ALL OF THE POTENTIAL NOMINATIONS.

I ALREADY LOCKED OUT ON THIS CORNER.

SOMETHING SO -- SOMETHING SO TROUBLING I JUST HAD TO MAKE SOME FUN WITH IT.

IF ANYBODY WANTS TO CREATE A BINGO CARD AND HAVE A LITTLE FUN OF A SAD MOMENT.

>> THIS IS YOUR THERAPY.

>> YES, IT IS.

>> YOU CAN STILL USE SCISSORS.

>> IT IS LIKE GOING BACK TO GRADE SCHOOL.

>> OKAY.

MY HIGH AND I KNOW EVERYONE HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS WEEK.

THE SHOW AND SUPPORT TO CU PEGGY THIS WEEK.

WHAT A WIRL WIND IT HAS BEEN.

HOW STUDENTS 80 YEARS LONGER LOVE HER, RESPECT HER AND GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO SHOW HOW PROUD.

IT IS AMAZING TO SEE THOSE PEOPLE SINGING HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO HER.

SHE DID CRY BECAUSE SHE MISSES HER TWIN STIR THE LATE BETTY.

SHE WAS GRATEFUL FOR THE COMMUNITIES SURROUNDING.

SHE FEELS SO HAPPY.

I SAW IN A QUOTE, SHE SAID -- SOMEONE WAS ASKING ABOUT THE NATIONAL ATTENTION SHE IS GETTING.

GET ALL THIS ATTENTION FOR HAVING A GOOD TIME IS UNBELIEVABLE.

THANK YOU PEGGY FOR SHARING YOUR JOIN AND HAVING A GOOD TIME FOR ALL OF US.

THANK YOU TO COLORADO FOR APPRECIATION FOR A SPECIAL WOMAN.

THANK YOU TO OUR WOMEN.

IT WORKED OUT.

WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE THIS WEEK.

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WE WILL SEE YOU NEXT FRIDAY.

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