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>> AMERICA'S PUSH FOR PEACE IN UKRAINE.

TRUMP AND RUBIO CELEBRATE PROGRESS, BUT UKRAINIANS EXPRESS FEAR OVER MOSCOW'S DEMANDS.

WE BREAK DOWN THE 28-POINT PLAN WITH FORMER MEMBER OF ZELENSKYY'S GOVERNMENT, TYMOFIY MYLOVANOV.

> >> THEN ISRAEL STRIKES BEIRUT, LEAVING AT LEAST FIVE PEOPLE DEAD IN AN ATTACK THE IDF CLAIMS CLAIMS -- >> MOMMY IS WORKING OUT THERE.

>> GOD.

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>>> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, EVERYONE.

I'M BIANNA GOLODRYGA IN NEW YORK SITTING IN FOR CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR.

HINTING AT PROGRESS ON HIS PROPOSAL FOR ENDING RUSSIA'S WAR IN UKRAINE.

THE 28-POINT PEACE PLAN HAS SPARKED ALARM AMONGST KYIV DUE TO THE LARGE CONCESSIONS KYIV WOULD HAVE TO MAKE, FROM CEDING LARGE AMOUNTS OF TERRITORY TO SHRINKING ITS MILITARY.

MANY SUGGEST TRUMP HAS ALOUD MOSCOW TO DICTATE THE TERMS, BUT IT SEEMS THAT STEPS FORWARD HAVE BEEN MADE.

WITH PRESIDENT VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY'S CLOSE -- -- STRIKES IN THE WEST OF UKRAINE, WHICH KILLED MORE THAN 30 PEOPLE SERVE AS A REMINDER OF THE COST OF WAR.

CORRESPONDENT MATTHEW CHANCE HAS BEEN FOLLOWING THESE DEVELOPMENTS ON THE GROUND IN GENEVA AND SPOKE TO U.S.

SECRETARY OF STATE MARCO RUBIO DURING THIS WEEKEND'S TALKS BETWEEN WASHINGTON AND KYIV.

>> FROM EVERYTHING WE'VE HEARD FROM THE AMERICANS, FROM THE EUROPEANS -- THEY'RE VERY POSITIVE ABOUT THE IDEA THAT THESE NEGOTIATIONS ARE TAKING PLACE.

THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE VERY CONSTRUCTIVE AND THEY'RE SAYING THAT PROGRESS WAS MADE, BUT WHAT THEY'RE NOT TELLING US ARE ANY DETAILS ABOUT WHAT KIND OF PROGRESS, ABOUT WHAT SPECIFICALLY UKRAINE HAS AGREED TO OR WHAT SPECIFICALLY HAS BEEN PUT INTO THIS DEAL TO MAKE IT MORE ACCEPTABLE TO THE UKRAINIANS.

BUT -- SHOULD UKRAINE SURRENDER AS RUSSIA DEMANDS MORE OF ITS TERRITORY, EVEN TERRITORY THAT HASN'T BEEN CAPTURED YET BY THE RUSSIANS.

>> HAS UKRAINE INDICATED TO YOU THAT IT'S PREPARED TO COMPROMISE, FOR INSTANCE, SOME OF THE KEY ISSUES LIKE TERRITORY IN EXCHANGE FOR PEACE AGREEMENT, THAT THEY ARE PREPARED -- >> I'M NOT GOING TO -- LOOK, IT'S NOT FOR PURPOSES OF EVASION.

I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE DETAILS -- YOU HAVE TO --IN ORDER TO HAVE A PROPOSAL, YOU TO WRITE IT.

IF IT'S JUST VERBAL, IT'S IN THE AIR.

YOU HAVE TO PUT IT DOWN ON A PIECE OF PAPER.

AND JUST BECAUSE IT'S PRINTED ON A PIECE OF PAPER DOESN'T INDICATE FINALITY.

SO YOU GET INPUT.

AND BASED ON THAT INPUT, YOU MAKE ADJUSTMENTS.

AND YOU GET MORE INPUT OR MAKE A COUNTEROFFER AND GET MORE ADJUSTMENTS.

THAT'S AN ONGOING PROCESS FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.

I'M NOT GOING SPECULATE OR GO INTO THE DETAILS OF ANY OF THE SPECIFIC ITEMS.

THE NEXT DAY, THAT MAY HAVE EVOLVED AND CHANGED FURTHER.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU I GUESS THAT I FEEL VERY OPTIMISTIC THAT WE CAN GET SOMETHING DONE HERE, BECAUSE WE MADE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PROGRESS TODAY.

>> WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO TELL PRESIDENT TRUMP ABOUT THE ATTITUDE OF THE UKRAINIANS DURING THIS -- >> OH, VERY POSITIVE.

>> BECAUSE HE SAID UNGRATEFUL EARLIER TODAY.

>> TODAY, AND WE TALKED TO HIM SINCE, I THINK HE IS QUITE PLEASED AT THE AMOUNT OF PROGRESS THAT'S BEEN MADE.

>> SO IT'S NOT JUST A QUESTION OF -- SET ANY NEW PROPOSALS THAT STOP SHORT OF ITS FULL OBJECTIVES IN THIS CONFLICT.

SO FAR THEY'VE REFUSED TO COMPROMISE AT ALL, AND THERE IS REALLY NO SUGGESTION THAT WE'VE HAD FROM MOSCOW THAT IT WOULD BE ANY DIFFERENT THIS TIME.

>> OUR THANKS TO MATTHEW CHANCE REPORTING THERE FOR US.

>>> WELL, THIS PUSH TOWARDS PEACE COMES AT A TIME WHEN THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT IS UNDER A MICROSCOPE AT HOME.

--KNOWS THE INNER WORKS OF PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY'S GOVERNMENT QUITE WELL HAVING SERVED AS DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TRADE.

TYMOFIY MYLOVANOV IS HEAD OF KYIV'S SCHOOL OF ECONOMICS.

HE JOINS ME NOW.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME.

WE'VE HAD A CASE OF SERIOUS DIPLOMATIC WHIPLASH THE LAST 48, 72 HOURS.

YESTERDAY PRESIDENT TRUMP CALLED PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY UNGRATEFUL.

THIS MORNING HE IS POSTING ABOUT BIG PROGRESS.

ADVISER MARCO RUBIO HAS STEPPED UP TO DO ON THE LOCAL STAGE THERE IN GENEVA OVER THE WEEKEND.

HE NOW SAYS THAT HE IS QUITE OPTIMISTIC.

SAID THESE WERE THE MOST PRODUCTIVE TALKS THAT THEY'VE HAD IN AMENDING THE INITIAL 28-PLAN PROPOSAL THAT WAS SKEWED QUITE FAVORABLY TOWARDS RUSSIA AND NOT UKRAINE.

DO YOU SHARE SECRETARY OF STATE RUBIO -- >> THEY ARE OPTIMISTIC.

THERE IS A LOT OF SYMPTOMS OR SIGNS THAT ARE TELLING MAYBE SOMETHING IS GOING TO BE HAPPENING.

FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T SEE RUSSIAN SIDE ACTIVELY SABOTAGING THE PROCESS.

WE DON'T SEE THEM LOOKING FOR INFORMATION.

WE SEE THEM UNDERMINING OUR TEAM.

--IS CHANGING QUITE FAST, FASTER THAN IT USUALLY HAPPENS.

AND IF YOU REMEMBER, FOR EXAMPLE, THE DEAL, THE INVESTMENT DEAL, THE MINERALS DEAL THAT UKRAINE AND THE UNITED STATES HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING, THE INITIAL PROPOSAL FROM THE UNITED STATES WAS DRACONIAN, WAS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE, WAS BASICALLY VIOLATING SOVEREIGNTY OF UKRAINE.

AND IN THE END, IT CAME DOWN TO WHERE --IS BENEFIT.

I THINK CURRENTLY THIS ADMINISTRATION -- >> I THINK SO, I THINK SO, YEAH.

WE NEVER KNOW IT WAS RUSSIA, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE RIGHT.

THIS IS THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION.

IS THIS AN ULTIMATUM OR IS IT AN OPENING BID?

IF IT IS AN OPENING BID, I THINK WE WILL GET SOMEWHERE.

IF IT IS, AGAIN, AN ULTIMATUM, IF RUSSIA IS NOT WILLING TO MOVE ON THOSE -- IS NOT WILLING TO COMPROMISE, THEN BASICALLY, I THINK NO PEACE DEAL IS POSSIBLE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, FROM THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS, THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH RUSSIA, WE SAW THAT THAT BECOMES CLEAR ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.

TOMORROW, THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW IT WILL BECOME CLEARER.

>> TERMS OF CONTINUED BOMBARDMENT AND WE SEE THE CONSEQUENCE ON HUMAN LIFE AND THE TOLL THAT HAS HAD ON THE COUNTRY NOW AS THE WAR IS APPROACHING ITS FOURTH YEAR.

BUT WHAT ARE THE TERMS HERE YOU THINK THAT BOTH PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY WOULD SIGN OFF ON AND ALSO WOULD BE ABLE TO GET UKRAINIANS IN PARLIAMENT TO AGREE TO?

BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, EVEN BEFORE PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ADMINISTRATION, EVEN PRESIDENT BIDEN, HIS ADVISERS HAD ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THERE ARE.

>> WELL, ONE POINT IS THAT RUSSIA ALWAYS ATTACKS AND INTENSIFIES DURING NEGOTIATIONS.

SO THE FACT THAT THEY ARE ATTACK IN OTHER CITIES IS ACTUALLY CONSISTENT WITH THEM NEGOTIATING.

WE HAVE SEEN IT DURING AGREEMENTS.

I'VE OBSERVED IT FROM BEING IN THE GOVERNMENT.

I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND IT.

-- >> PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY FACES A --CRISIS AND CONTINUITY, THAT ACTUALLY HAS GENERATED SOME SENSITIVITY, AND THE GOVERNMENT IS WORKING HARD TO GET -- AND RULES.

BUT, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO THE POINTS, WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR UKRAINIANS IS TO ENSURE THAT THIS CEASEFIRE OR PEACE DEAL WILL NOT BE SHORT-LIVED, THAT THERE ARE REAL SECURITY GUARANTEES IN WHATEVER FORM, THAT RUSSIA DOESN'T GET ITSELF IN A POSITION THAT THEY CAN WALK OVER OR ROLL OVER UKRAINE AGAIN.

IN A YEAR OR TWO OR WHEN THEY PLEASE.

SO, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY -- OF UKRAINE.

BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO PROTECT OURSELVES.

I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A VERY CRITICAL POINT FOR UKRAINE.

THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT TERRITORY, GIVING UP TERRITORY.

IT'S PROBABLY AN ABSOLUTE INSULT TO EVERY UKRAINIAN.

I'M SAYING PROBABLY.

EVEN TO THOSE WHO MIGHT BE COMPLETELY EXHAUSTED FROM THE WAR MIGHT BE ON THE SIDELINES.

BUT I THINK -- THE POSSIBILITY, THE STRATEGIC POSSIBILITY FOR THEM TO ROLL ON TO DNIPRO AND KHARKIV AND BASICALLY HAVE SOME VERSION OF AFGHANISTAN, YOU KNOW, SCENARIO, THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN UNFORTUNATELY HAD TO DEAL WITH.

SO THAT'S WHAT UKRAINIANS WANT TO AVOID.

I THINK THESE ARE THE MAIN TWO POINTS, BUT THERE ARE OTHERS.

>> RIGHTS.

BECAUSE RUSSIA IS DEMANDING LAND.

THEY DON'T EVEN FULLY OCCUPY.

ITS MILITARY FORCES TO SOME 600,000.

WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT UNLESS YOU'RE PLANNING ONE DAY TO ATTACK AGAIN.

AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE I HAVE TO SAY AS PART OF THIS 28-POINT PLAN THAT I JUST FIND DIFFICULT FOR UKRAINIANS TO ACCEPT AND EUROPEANS TOO, BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THE LINE HERE AS WELL.

AND THAT IS NO REAL ACCOUNTABILITY OF AMNESTY FOR RUSSIA TO BE READMITTED INTO THE GLOBAL STAGE AND SANCTIONS RELIEF, AND NO USE OF RUSSIA'S FOREIGN INVESTMENT FUNDING IN THOSE FROZEN ASSETS IN THE REBUILDING OF UKRAINE.

WHAT WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE FOR UKRAINE IF, LET'S SAY, RUSSIA GAVE UP ON THE SIZE OF ITS MILITARY AND EVEN SOME OF THE LAND, BUT THE FACT THAT THERE WOULD BE NO REAL ACCOUNTABILITY?

WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE?

>> I THINK --BARGAINING POINTS, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO IMAGINE HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO ENFORCE NO ACCOUNTABILITY.

BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE ABANDONS.

UNDER THE GUIDANCE, THE DIRECTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE GREAT DEMOCRACY HERE ACTUALLY IN FACT.

AND I'VE BEEN IN THE UNITED STATES.

FOR MANY YEARS I'VE TAUGHT THERE, AND I'VE LIVED THERE.

AND TO ME IT'S A COUNTRY WHICH IS BASED ON GREAT PRINCIPLES.

SO BASICALLY, SAYING THAT YOU CAN VIOLATE THE INTERNATIONAL LAW, THE FOUNDATIONS OF DEMOCRACY AND SIMPLY BUY YOUR WAY OUT BY WALKING AWAY THROUGH AMNESTY AND EVEN GETTING YOUR FUNDING OUT AND NOT BEING ACCOUNTABLE AT ALL, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BASICALLY CHANGE THE WORLD.

NOT ONLY --IT'S NOT ONLY HURTING UKRAINIANS, I THINK IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD COMPLETELY.

I THINK THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> YOU MENTION THE BACKDROP OF ALL OF THIS HAPPENING WITH THE MAJOR CORRUPTION SCANDAL UNFOLDING.

AND SOME OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT --SINCE THE WAR BEGAN.

LET'S GIVE OUR VIEWERS MORE INFORMATION, INSIGHT INTO THE SCANDAL.

MEMBERS OF HIS INNER CIRCLE ARE ACCUSED OF SIPHONING OFF AND LAUNDERING ABOUT $100 MILLION WORTH OF STATE- OWNED NUCLEAR POWER COMPANY.

YOU RESIGNED FROM THE BOARD OF THAT COMPANY, SAYING YOUR ANTI-CORRUPTION PROPOSALS WERE IGNORED.

TALK ABOUT HOW SIGNIFICANT OF A RISK THIS SCANDAL POSED TO PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY'S PRESIDENCY.

A PLAN SOME ARE VIEWING AS A LIFELINE IN A SENSE FOR PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY DOMESTICALLY.

WOULD YOU AGREE?

BECAUSE THAT MAY SEEM A BIT OFF AND HARD TO BALANCE BOTH THAT ONE WOULD LEAD HIM TO LESS POPULARITY.

THE OTHER WOULD BOOST POPULARITY.

BUT THAT'S HOW SOME ARE INTERPRETING IT.

>> YEAH, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A MYOPIC TAKE ON THIS.

TRADE OFF SOVEREIGNTY OR TERRITORY, OR EVEN USE THE OPPORTUNITIES PRESENTED BY NEGOTIATIONS OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, BY RESISTANT TO THE PRESSURE THAT RUSSIA AND PARTLY THE UNITED STATES IS PUTTING ON HIM, YOU KNOW, TO SAVE HIS POLITICAL FUTURE.

I THINK HIS ENTIRE POLITICAL FUTURE DEPENDS ON TWO THINGS.

ONE IS WHAT KIND OF DEAL WILL HAPPEN WHEN THE WAR WILL BE OVER, YOU KNOW.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH UKRAINE.

WILL UKRAINE STAND AS A SOVRND COUNTRY.

AND INTERNALLY, HOW ETHICAL ARE PEOPLE AROUND HIM, HOW WELL THE GOVERNANCE IS.

SO WHAT PEOPLE WERE DOING, WHILE SOME ARE DYING, OTHERS HAVE BEEN ENRICHING THEMSELVES.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK HIS INCENTIVES ARE ACTUALLY ALIGNED TO DO HIS BEST AND PERFORM THE BEST ON BOTH.

AND I THINK IT IS TRUE THAT THE DOMESTIC SCANDAL HAS WEAKENED HIM, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT ALSO HAS GIVEN HIM A CHANCE TO DEMONSTRATE, CLEAN UP MEASURES AND BE MUCH MORE PROACTIVE AND RESPONDING TO THE SCANDAL THAT I HAVE EXPECTED.

BUT, HOWEVER, I THINK WE WILL WAIT AND SEE.

>> I'M BY NO MEANS SUGGESTING THAT HE ORCHESTRATED THIS 28-POINT PLAN TO DEFLECT ATTENTION FROM THE SCANDAL.

I'M JUST SAYING THE TIMING COMING WHEN THIS SCANDAL IS PLAGUING HIM DOMESTICALLY, NOW THE ULTIMATUM GIVEN BY PRESIDENT TRUMP TO ACCEPT A DEAL -- WAS THE ARGUMENT I WAS MAKING.

>> YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

SO I THINK THE TIMING INDEED IS CONSPICUOUS.

AND WHAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IN UKRAINE.

ALSO I THINK MAYBE -- I DIDN'T MEAN TO SUGGEST --OKAY.

THE POINT WHICH MANY PEOPLE ARE MAKING IN UKRAINE IS LISTEN THAT MAYBE RUSSIA IS BEHIND ALL OF THIS AND IT'S TIMING IT PROPERLY.

USING THE OPPORTUNITY THAT THERE IS A SCANDAL DOMESTICALLY.

>> YES.

>> SO PRESUMABLY, ZELENSKYY IS WEAKENED, OKAY, LET'S PUT PRESSURE.

LIKE THAT, BECAUSE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THE DOMESTIC POLITICS IS DOMESTIC POLITICS.

BUT UKRAINE FUTURE IS MOST IMPORTANT.

>> YEAH.

AND IT WAS INTERESTING THAT YOU SAID IN AN INTERVIEW TO "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" OVER THE WEEKEND THAT PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY'S ABILITY TO SELL THIS DEAL TO THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE IS MUCH HIGHER THAN MANY WOULD THINK.

EXPLAIN WHY.

>> WELL, SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO BE -- >> WE WELCOME NDRC HERE.

>> SO YOU BAN THOSE THINGS.

WHEN YOU NEED TO.

USUALLY YOU FACE MULTIPLE.

PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY HAS TO PLEASE SO MANY STAKEHOLDERS, EUROPEANS, THE AMERICANS, THE EXTERNAL.

BUT THE MULTIPLE IS DOMESTICALLY, HIS OWN PARTY, GENERAL PUBLIC, OPPOSITION FIGURES, YOU KNOW, WANNA-BE PRESIDENTS, HIS COMPETITOR.

SO IT'S EASIER TO MANAGE WHEN HE HAS SOME POLITICAL DECISIONS TO MAKE WHICH REFLECT SIMPLY DOMESTIC POLITICS.

SO I THINK IF I WERE HIM --I MEAN, I'M NOT HIM, THAT'S MY ADVICE SHOULD NEVER BE TAKEN.

BUT IF I WERE IN HIS SHOES.

>> I WOULD DELAY TO REHIRING OR FIRING OR SHUFFLING THE GOVERNMENT OR OTHER POSITIONS UNTIL IT BECOMES CLEAR WHAT THE DEAL.

AND THEREFORE I WOULD BE ABLE TO OFFER SOMETHING.

AND I THINK PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT, BECAUSE AT LEAST THEY VIEW IT AS TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.

I THINK WILL MAKE A LOT OF SENSE AND WE CAN DO SIMULTANEOUSLY A PEACE DEAL IF IT'S ACCEPTABLE FOR UKRAINE AND WE CAN DO A CORRUPTION CLEANUP.

>> ALL OF THIS DIPLOMACY CAN SOUND ABSTRACT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S COMING FROM SAFE COUNTRIES AND CITIES THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY FROM WHERE YOU ARE IN KYIV.

BUT AS THE COUNTRY IS ENTERING ITS FOURTH YEAR OF BOMBARDMENT, ANOTHER --OF WHAT LIFE IS LIKE RIGHT NOW, THE MENTALITY OF AVERAGE UKRAINIANS WHO HAVE WEATHERED SO MUCH.

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, I'VE BOUGHT A LOT OF FIREWOOD FOR MY APARTMENT, AND I HAVE A LITTLE STOVE.

AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE DONE THAT.

YOU KNOW, YESTERDAY, A FRIEND WENT TO A MOVIE THEATER.

HE SAID HE DIDN'T --HE HADN'T GONE THERE FOR A YEAR, BUT THEY NEED TO LIVE A LIFE.

SO THEY GO THERE.

AND THERE IS A BLACKOUT.

WILL START GENERATORS.

AND OUR STUDENTS, ACTUALLY TODAY WE HAD STUDENT DEBATE, THE ELECTIONS AMONG STUDENT GOVERNMENT.

AND THERE WAS A BLACKOUT JUST IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, AND THEY CONTINUED TO DEBATE VIGOROUSLY.

AND AS ONE OF THEM SAID, IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE HEART, NOT NECESSARILY TO BE SEEN.

>> I MEAN, YOU JUST THINK OF WHAT RUSSIA HAD IMAGINED HAPPENING.

AND HERE WE ARE NEARLY FOUR YEARS LATER.

YES, BLACKOUTS, TRAGICALLY SO MANY LIVES LOST, BUT YOUR CLASSES CONTINUE AND LIFE IN THIS VERY, VERY DANGEROUS AND UNFORTUNATE REALITY CONTINUES ALSO.

IN UKRAINE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME, TYMOFIY MYLOVANOV.

>> THANK YOU.

>>> TURNING NOW TO BEIRUT.

ISRAEL SAYS IT KILLED HEZBOLLAH'S SECOND MOST -- IN SPITE A NEARLY YEAR-LONG CEASEFIRE, THE IDF CLAIMS IT WAS INTENDED TO STOP THE ORGANIZATION FROM STRENGTHENING ITS ABILITIES.

LEBANESE OFFICIALS SAY AT LEAST FIVE PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE ATTACK, WHICH HEZBOLLAH CALLS TREACHEROUS.

WHILE THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF ISRAELI ATTACKS IN THE HEZBOLLAH-CONTROLLED SOUTH, THIS IS THE FIRST ATTACK IN LEBANON'S CAPITAL SINCE JUNE.

FOR MORE ON THAT WHAT THIS MEANS FOR THE FRAGILE PEACE IN THE REGION, LET'S BRING IN MIDDLE EAST BUREAU CHIEF FOR THE LOS ANGELES TIME NABIH BULOS.

SO ISRAEL SAYS IT STRUCK BECAUSE THIS FIGURE, WHO THEY ESSENTIALLY CALLED THE ACTING CHIEF OF STAFF FOR HEZBOLLAH, ALLEY TABATI WAS REBUILDING HEZBOLLAH'S CAPABILITY IN VIOLATION OF THE CEASEFIRE.

FROM YOUR ADVANTAGE POINT NOW, WHY DID ISRAEL CHOOSE TO TAKE SUCH A RISK, GIVEN THE FRAGILITY OF THE CEASEFIRE?

>> WILL ARGUE THAT THE CEASEFIRE HAS NOT REALLY BEEN FOLLOWED.

IF YOU LOOK AT FIGURES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOUSANDS OF ISRAELI VIOLATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RECORDED.

AND HEZBOLLAH IN TRUTH HAS NOT REALLY RESPONDED.

NOW THE ISRAELIS ARE SAYING THAT WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING IS HEZBOLLAH HAS BEEN VIOLATING THE TERMS OF THE CEASEFIRE IN THE SENSE THAT IS REBUILDING ITS CAPABILITIES IN THE SOUTH.

BUT IN TERMS OF FULL KINETIC ACTION --IN RESPONSE FOR HEZBOLLAH FOR A LONG TIME NOW --EITHER.

IN FACT, TODAY THERE HAVE BEEN SOME EXPECTATIONS THERE WOULD BE SOME KIND OF RETALIATION, BUT WORD IS HEZBOLLAH IS FAVORING DIPLOMACY IN THIS CASE.

>> RIGHT.

AND HEZBOLLAH HAS NOW CONFIRMED HIS DEATH.

SAYS THAT ISRAEL DID CROSS A RED LINE.

FOR OUR VIEWERS WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS MAN, HIS ROLE IN HEZBOLLAH, HE WAS ONE OF THE SENIOR FIGURES WHO WAS NOT ASSASSINATED -- HEZBOLLAH, BUT ALSO MANY OTHER SENIOR LEADERS.

AMERICA ALSO HAD SANCTIONS ON HIM.

AND I BELIEVE A MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR BOYBT.

WHO IS HE?

>> WELL, HIS PICTURE HAD NOT BEEN SEEN BEFORE HE WAS KILLED AS IS THE CUSTOM WITH A LOT OF OTHER HEZBOLLAH LEADERS.

BUT IT'S CLEAR HE WAS AN IMPORTANT FIGURE.

HE WAS INVOLVED APPARENTLY --THERE HAS BEEN A BIOGRAPHY RELEASED SINCE HIS DEATH BY HEZBOLLAH.

HE WAS INVOLVED IN SOME OF THEIR FIRST OPERATIONS AND WAS IN CHARGE OF SOME OF THE FRONTS DURING ITS CONFRONTATION WITH ISRAEL.

THIS IS BEFORE 2000, AND ALSO 2006.

AND ALSO, HE WAS INVOLVED IN TRAINING CADRES IN YEMEN AND SYRIA.

SO HE HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THOSE OPERATIONS AS WELL.

AFTER THE KILLING OF SHAKUR WHICH HAPPENED LAST YEAR, HE APPARENTLY HAD TAKEN OVER THE POSITION OF CHIEF OF STAFF.

BUT THIS IS SOMEONE ALTHOUGH HAS NOT BEEN VERY WELL-KNOWN, HE CLEARLY HAS BEEN INVOLVED A LOT.

BUT IT SHOULD BE SAID THAT HE APPARENTLY WAS ONE OF THREE SENIOR COMMANDERS STILL WAS ALIVE AFTER THE GUESS ALL-OUT WAR THAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR.

SO ACTUALLY, IT'S QUITE NOTABLE.

THIS IS SOMEONE WHO IN THEORY SHOULD HAVE BEEN AWARE OF SECURITY PROTOCOLS AFTER ALL THIS LEADERSHIP KILLING THAT HAD HAPPENED BEFORE.

IT'S ALSO NOTABLE HE WAS KILLED IN BEIRUT IN THE SOUTHERN SUBURB.

NOW WE OFTEN USE THE WORD STRONGHOLD IN WESTERN MEDIA, BUT THE FACT THAT THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH IS TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE STORES, CELL PHONE SHOPS, SUPERMARKETS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

THIS WAS VERY MUCH A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND RESIDENTIAL STREET ON WHICH HE WAS KILLED ON.

AND IT'S NOTABLE BECAUSE THE FACT IS THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME A SENIOR HEZBOLLAH COMMANDER HAS BEEN KILLED IN BEIRUT.

BUT IT IS THE FIRST TIME IN QUITE A FEW MONTHS THAT WE'VE SEEN IT HAPPENING AFTER THE ALL-OUT WAR, AS WE SAID.

AND IN THEORY, HEZBOLLAH SHOULD HAVE BEEN AWARE -- HAD BEEN --THERE HAD BEEN ATTEMPTS TO KILL HIM IN THE PAST.

HE SUPPOSEDLY -- THERE WAS AN ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT AGAINST -- >> WE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME LAST YEAR TALKING ABOUT WHAT A BLOW ISRAEL'S ATTACKS ON NOT ONLY HEZBOLLAH LEADERSHIP, BUT ITS INFRASTRUCTURE, MISSILE DEPOTS HAD BEEN.

WHERE IS THE GROUP IN TERMS OF TRYING OR ATTEMPTING TO RECONSTITUTE --CAME OUT BECAUSE AS THE CHIEF OF STAFF, ONE OF THE HIGHEST OFFICIALS THERE, HE WAS ALREADY -- >> THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IF YOU HEAR SOME ISRAELI AND U.S.

OFFICIALS SAY THE GROUP IS STILL A MENACE, IN THE SENSE THAT IT HAS ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO 20,000 ROCKETS AND MISSILES, AND THAT IT IS REBUILDING -- LEADERS HAVE MOVED UP TO THE SECOND RANK AND ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT --WHEN IT CAME TO THE --I MEAN IT FIRED PRIMITIVE MISSILES.

BUT THOSE SORT OF LARGE -- THESE LARGE BALLISTIC MISSILES THAT COULD CAUSE SOME MAJOR DAMAGE IN ISRAEL, THAT NEVER ACTUALLY MATERIALIZED.

SO IT REALLY IS NOW A QUESTION WHAT REMAINS OF THE GROUP'S ABILITY, ESPECIALLY IN THE SOUTH.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH HEZBOLLAH --IN THE PAST, THE IDEA OF DECAPITATION STRIKES, THE IDEA IS THEY WERE NOT VERY EFFECTIVE.

BUT IF YOU HIT EVERYONE ON THAT CHAIN OF COMMAND, THEN EVENTUALLY IT WILL HAVE A TOLL.

AND IT'S ACTUALLY INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT IN TERMS OF THE SENIOR LEADERSHIP REMAINING AFTER THE WAR, ONLY TWO REMAIN.

ONE BOTH OF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE NOT BEEN KILLED YET.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER -- TO SAY OF COURSE HEZBOLLAH HAS BEEN WEAKENED.

HOW WEAKENED IN TERMS OF IT BEING A FORCE THAT CAN FIGHT ON THE GROUND, LIKE GUERRILLA WARFARE, THAT'S A SEPARATE QUESTION.

BUT WHETHER IT CAN ACTUALLY WAGE ATTACKS ON ISRAEL, THAT I THINK IS CLEAR THAT IT IS SEVERELY -- >> A SIGN OF ITS WEAKENING GRIP WAS THE OPTIMISM AND THE NEWS OF A NEW ELECTED GOVERNMENT.

IN SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HE HAD MADE.

AND CONVERSATIONS.

EVEN BEHIND CLOSED CHANNELS WITH THE ISRAELIS, BUT SPECIFICALLY, WITH THE UNITED STATES, THAT THEY WOULD BE A STRONGER FORCE AGAINST GOVERNMENT ON THAT ISSUE TODAY.

HAVE THEY BEEN ABLE TO RESTRAIN HEZBOLLAH FORCEFULLY ENOUGH?

>> YOU HAVE I SUPPOSE A DECLARED --OR DECLARED TERMS FOR THE CEASEFIRE, AND THERE IS PERHAPS A SECRET ANNEX THAT HAS NOT BEEN DECLARED.

WHICH IS TO SAY HEZBOLLAH AT THIS POINT UNDERSTANDS THE CEASEFIRE AS BEING ONLY SOUTH OF THE RIVER, WHEREAS THE ISRAELIS AND AMERICANS WOULD SAY THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT FULL- ON DISARMAMENT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

SAID REPEATEDLY THEY WILL NOT ACCEPT THAT AND IN AREAS WHERE IT DOMINATES WHICH IS THE EAST OF THE COUNTRY AND PERHAPS OTHER AREAS AWAY FROM THE SOUTH, IT'S CLEAR THAT IT STILL HAS SOME CAPABILITIES.

NOW THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THE ARMY HAS BEEN TAKING OVER POSITIONS IN THE SOUTH OF LEBANON.

IT HAS TAKEN OVER HEZBOLLAH POSTS, IT HAS TAKEN CHARGE OF THE WEAPONS THERE OR CONTROLLED THE ALREADY DESTROYED WEAPONS THAT HAPPENED DURING THE WAR.

THAT IS PROGRESS.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE ARMY SAID THE REASON WHY IT CANNOT TAKE FULL CONTROL OF THE SOUTH IS THE ISRAELI ARMY REMAINS IN CERTAIN -- WORK, BUT THEY HAVE TWO OBSTACLES.

AND ONE OF THEM IS THEIR LACK OF CAPABILITIES, AND THE OTHER IS THE FACT THAT THE ISRAELI ARMY IS STILL ON LEBANESE TERRITORY.

AND THE OTHER FORCE IS HEZBOLLAH IS NOT WILLING TO DISARM ELSEWHERE.

SO ACTUALLY IN REGARDS OF A FULL-ON DISARMAMENT, THE SOUTH AT LEAST RIGHT NOW WILL PERHAPS COME TO A DENOUEMENT SOME TIME.

THE ARMY IS IN A BAD POSITION.

I MEAN, THERE ARE GROWING QUESTIONS WHETHER IT CAN ACTUALLY DEFEND THE COUNTRY.

AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS EVEN IF THERE IS, LET'S SAY AN IMPETUS TO DO SO, IT SIMPLY DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SO IN TERMS OF WEAPONS AND ALSO NUMBERS.

AND THE FACT IS IF IT'S GOING TO BE ASKED TO ATTACK HEZBOLLAH, THAT WOULD ALSO CAUSE ISSUES OF LOYALTY WITHIN THE ARMY'S RANKS, AND THAT WOULD BE A REAL PROBLEM.

>> WHAT ROLE IF ANY FOR WASHINGTON?

I KNOW WASHINGTON AND PARIS HELPED BROKE THEIR CEASEFIRE.

BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR WASHINGTON HERE, I THINK THEY PUBLICLY SAID THAT THEY WERE NOT MADE AWARE OF THIS TARGETED ASSASSINATION.

BUT THERE HAD BEEN REPORTING THAT FOR MONTHS NOW, THEY OBVIOUSLY HAD NOT INTERVENED AND ITZ ISRAEL CONSTANTLY ATTACKING HEZBOLLAH FACILITIES IN VIOLATION OF THE CEASEFIRE SAYING THAT HEZBOLLAH TOO WAS IN VIOLATION AND THE LEBANESE GOVERNMENT THAT ISRAEL WAS IN VIOLATION.

SO WHAT, IF ANYTHING SHOULD THE UNITED STATES BE DOING TO MAINTAIN THE CEASEFIRE?

>> WELL, THE U.S.

ACTUALLY DOES ANY KIND OF PROGRESS IN THIS, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO SOME WAY TOWARDS RESTRICTING THE ISRAELI ATTACKS.

THE FACT IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE COUNTRY HERE IS NOT GOING TO BE WILLING OR WILL NOT BE ABLE TO POLITICALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH A FULL-ON DISARMAMENT WITH THIS KIND OF ATTACKS STILL GOING ON.

THAT'S ONE.

AND THE FACT IS THAT ALONGSIDE THESE ATTACKS, YOU ARE SEEING A LACK OF ANY KIND OF REBUILDING PERIOD, AND THAT'S LARGELY BECAUSE OF THE ISRAELI ARMY PRESENCE.

THE FACT IS, THE EXPECTATION IS THE LEBANON SHOULD BE ABLE TO FULFILL ITS ROLE.

BUT THE PEOPLE IN THE SOUTH BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL ACTIVE ARMY OPERATIONS.

STILL ACTIVE ISRAELI PRESENCE THERE.

NOW WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, IF THE U.S.

CAN ALSO PLAY A ROLE IN TERMS OF EMPOWERING THE ARMY AND POSSIBLY, YES, PUSHING FOR A LET'S SAY A FASTER I SUPPOSE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE DISARMAMENT.

BUT THAT REQUIRES FUNDS AND I SUPPOSE MONITORING ON BOTH SIDES.

AT THE SAME TIME, THE REAL ISSUE IS THAT THERE IS NO CLARITY AS TOE WHAT THE CEASEFIRE ACTUALLY MEANS.

OFTENTIMES IT SEEMS THAT THE LEBANESE --AND THAT'S A PROBLEM.

>> THIS IS THE FIRST STRIKE, AS WE NOTED IN BEIRUT IN SEVERAL MONTHS.

AND THE FINAL FEW SECONDS HERE FOR THE SHOW, YOU WERE THERE, WHICH IS ALWAYS SO HELPFUL FOR OUR VIEWERS TO UNDERSTAND THE REALITY ON THE GROUND.

WHAT HAS THAT BEEN LIKE OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS?

>> WELL, THE FACT IS WHERE I LIVE IN THE AREA, SO I'M IN A SUPPOSE A CHRISTIAN DOMINATED NEIGHBORHOOD, I SUPPOSE.

AND IT HAS BEEN SPARED LARGELY THE EFFECTS.

ONLY A FEW MILES AWAY.

SO THERE ARE TIMES YOU SIT AND YOU SUDDENLY HEAR AN EXPLOSION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

OF COURSE, YOU'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT THE ISRAELI ARMY TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY KIND OF WARNINGS FOR BEIRUT AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE SURREAL.

BEIRUT IS A PLACE THAT IS VERY SADLY ACCUSTOMED TO WAR.

SO PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO LIVE AS NOTHING IS HAPPENING.

AND YOU CAN SEE THIS ACTUALLY REALLY IN MOST PLACES THAT ARE WAR, BUT ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT'S SO ACCUSTOMED TO WAR, UNFORTUNATELY.

I MEAN, YOU COULD BE AT A BIRTHDAY PARTY AND YOU SUDDENLY GET A MESSAGE ON YOUR PHONE THAT THERE IS AN ATTACK, AND YOU HEAR A RUMBLE, BUT YOU DISMISS IT.

THE SOUNDS OF DRONES HAVE BECOME OMNIPRESENT.

THE SOUNDS OF DRONES EVERY DAY.

THAT'S A PART OF LIFE HERE.

PARDON ME.

>> A COMMON THREAD.

NO PARDONING, NO NEED TO APOLOGIZE.

A COMMON THREAD.

I KNOW YOU WERE LISTENING TO MY CONVERSATION WITH TYMOFIY JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO FROM KYIV.

AND SIMILAR, SIMILAR THERE REALITY FOR THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN LIVING IN WAR FOR SO MANY YEARS.

THEY TRY TO MOVE ON AND CREATE SOME SORT OF NORMALCY.

AND EVERY NOW AND THEN ARE REMINDED OF THE WAR AROUND THEM.

NABIH BULOS, ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> YOU BET.

>> WELL, WE TURN NOW TO NORTHERN NIGERIA, WHERE A TRUE NIGHTMARE IS UNFOLDING FOR MANY PARENTS.

ARMED BANDITS STORMED A CATHOLIC SCHOOL IN THE STATE OF NIGER ON FRIDAY KIDNAPPING STUDENTS AND TEACHERS.

WHILE 50 PUPILS HAVE SINCE ESCAPED AND REUNITED WITH THEIR PARENTS, MORE THAN 250 CHILDREN REMAIN CAPTIVE, SOME AS YOUNG AS 10 YEARS OLD.

CORRESPONDENT LARRY MEDOO HAS THE STORY.

>> Reporter: ANXIOUS PARENTS SCRAMBLE TO PICK UP THEIR CHILDREN IN AN AREA OF ARMED GANGS KIDNAPPING STUDENTS HAS ONCE AGAIN SET THE COUNTRY ON EDGE.

THIS SCHOOL IN KADUNA STATE TOLD PARENTS BECAUSE OF UNSPECIFIED SECURITY THREATS -- >> WE HAVE TO LET YOUR CHILDREN GO FOR THEIR SAFETY.

THEIR LIFE IS IMPORTANT.

THE EDUCATION AS FAR AS CONCERNED SO I THINK IS THE BEST.

>> Reporter: MEANWHILE, A MASS ABDUCTION FROM A CATHOLIC SCHOOL IN THE NEIGHBORING NIGERIAN STATE OF NIGER IS --300 CHILDREN AND 12 TEACHERS WERE KIDNAPPED ON FRIDAY, THOSE DOZENS HAVE SINCE ESCAPED ACCORDING TO THE CHRISTIAN ASSOCIATION OF NIGERIA.

ALL SCHOOLS IN THE STATE OF NIGER HAVE BEEN CLOSED.

DEMANDING THAT THE GOVERNMENT PROVIDE MORE SECURITY AT SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES.

>> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY FEEL SAFE IN NIGERIA PRESENTLY BECAUSE THE KIDNAPPING, THE BANDITS EVERYWHERE, THE KILLING, EVERYBODY IS SO SCARED.

THEY WANT TO SLEEP --IF YOU ARE SLEEPING -- >> NO GROUP HAS CLAIMED RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ABDUCTIONS, AND AUTHORITIES SAY TACTICAL SQUADS AND LOCAL HUNTERS ARE LOOKING FOR THE CHILDREN.

>> BUT THERE IS A GROWING FEAR AND ANGER ACROSS NIGERIA ABOUT SECURITY CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY AFTER SEVERAL BRAZEN ATTACKS IN THE PAST WEEK.

IN WESTERN NIGERIA STATE, GUNMEN RAIDED A CHURCH SERVICE, KILLING AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE.

DOZENS OF WORSHIPERS WERE KIDNAPPED, BUT HAVE SINCE BEEN FREED.

AND 25 FEMALE STUDENTS WERE TAKEN AFTER ARMED MEN STORMED A GOVERNMENT BOARDING SCHOOL IN THE NORTHWESTERN STATE.

♪ BRING BACK OUR GIRLS ♪ >> Reporter: THE VIOLENCE ONCE AGAIN PUTTING NIGERIA IN THE INTERNATIONAL SPOTLIGHT.

JUST OVER A DECADE AGO, THERE WAS A GLOBAL OUTCRY AFTER 276 GIRLS --MANY OF THOSE GIRLS NEVER RETURNED HOME.

U.S.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP HAS EXPRESSED OUTRAGE OVER THE ALLEGED PERSECUTION OF CHRISTIANS IN NIGERIA.

ACTION TO PROTECT CHRISTIANS FROM ISLAMIST INSURGENTS.

THE RADICAL GROUPS IN THE AREA ATTACK BOTH CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS.

POPE LEO ALSO WEIGHING IN ON SUNDAY, SAYING HE IS SADDENED BY THE INCIDENTS AND APPEALED FOR THE IMMEDIATE RELEASE OF THE CAPTIVES.

>>> EXPLOSIONS IN UKRAINE, EVEN SURVIVING KIDNAPPINGS IN IRAQ AND LIBYA.

PHOTOJOURNALIST LYNSEY ADDARIO HAS SPENT MORE THAN TWO DECADES DOCUMENTING.

NOW SHE'S THE FOCUS OF A NEW FILM, "LOVE + WAR," WHICH CHRONICLES THE STRUGGLE OF BALANCING FAMILY LIFE WITH TRIPS TO THE FRONT LINES.

HERE'S PART OF THE TRAILER.

>> LYNSEY HAS A VERY DISTINCT ABILITY TO MAKE MEMORABLE IMAGES, BUT ALSO TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND FIND -- POLICY AND WOMEN'S ISSUES.

BUT THE BEST STORIES ARE IN THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACES.

I HAVE TO CONSTANTLY WEIGH WHAT WILL I RISK -- >> YOU NEVER HUG ME LIKE THAT!

>> LYNSEY ADDARIO AND OSCAR WINNING FILMMAKER JIMMY CHIN JOIN HARI SREENIVASAN TO DISCUSS THE DUTY AND THE DANGER OF BEARING WITNESS TO WAR.

>> BY IANA, THANKS.

JIMMY CHIN, LYNSEY ADDARIO, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

IF ANYONE KNOWS OF YOU, THEY PROBABLY KNOW OF YOU FROM YOUR MOVIES WHERE YOU'RE LITERALLY CLIMBING.

EL CAPITAN OR SOMEBODY CLIMBING MOUNT EVEREST.

WHY PICK LYNSEY, AND WHY PICK THIS STORY?

>> WELL, ON A LOT OF LEVELS, THE STAKES ARE EVEN HIGHER WITH THE WORK THAT LYNSEY DOES.

YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING LYNSEY'S WORK ALMOST MY ENTIRE CAREER.

--PHOTOGRAPHERS, BUT I THINK WHEN I FIRST STARTED THINKING ABOUT THIS WITH MY CO-DIRECTOR CHI, WE REALLY WANTED A STORY ABOUT NOT JUST AN EXTRAORDINARY CONFLICT PHOTOGRAPHER OR A PHOTOGRAPHER, BUT WHAT IT IS TO LIVE THAT LIFE THE WEIGHT OF THAT RESPONSIBILITY, THE WEIGH OF AND REALLY GIVE A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE LIKE THAT'S LIFE IS LIKE.

>> TO HELP OUR AUDIENCE UNDERSTAND THE STORIES THAT YOU HELP BRING TO THE FRONT, YOU'RE USUALLY BEHIND THE LENS.

WHAT IS IT LIKE FOR YOU TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE?

>> WELL, I MEAN, I HAD BEEN ASKED TO BE THE SUBJECT OF DOCUMENTARIES BEFORE, AND I NEVER FELT LIKE THE TIME WAS RIGHT.

EITHER I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE I WAS IN THE RIGHT PLACE IN MY CAREER OR A LIFE NARRATIVE OF THE DOCUMENTARY.

WHEN CHIN JIMMY APPROACHED ED ME, I HAD HUGE RESPECT FOR THEIR WORK.

IT FELT MORE RIGHT IN THE SENSE IT WAS RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FULL-SCALE INVASION OF UKRAINE.

I KNEW I WOULD BE EMBARKING ON A BIG PROJECT.

AND I ALSO HAD COME TO A POINT IN MY CAREER WHERE I HAD SEEN SO MANY DEPICTS OF WAR PHOTOGRAPHERS, BE IT FICTION OR NONFICTION.

THEY WERE ALMOST ALWAYS MEN.

AND SO I JUST FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S TIME WE SHOW WHAT IT'S LIKE FOR A WOMAN, A MOTHER, SOMEONE WHO, YOU KNOW, FOR ME WHEN I PACK MY BAGS, I HAVE NO IDEA IF I'LL MAKE IT HOME ALIVE.

AND I THINK THAT IT'S VERY COMPLICATED, BECAUSE I REALLY STRADDLE THESE TWO WORLDS.

>> IT'S FRUSTRATING.

I'M CONSTANTLY TORTURED LIKE I'M NOT IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

BUT I COME BACK.

I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD BE THERE, AND I FEEL LIKE A BAD JOURNALIST BECAUSE I'M NOT.

MY HEAD IS ALWAYS WHERE I'M NOT.

>> AND I FELT LIKE ONCE I ACCEPTED TO DO THIS PROJECT, I KNEW THE DRILL.

I MEAN, I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY WOULD BE ASKING OF ME.

AND I VERY LUCKILY, THE MAIN PHOTOGRAPHER, CINEMATOGRAPHER WHO SHOT ALL THE HOME SCENES WAS THORSTEN WHO WAS INCREDIBLE TO WORK WITH BECAUSE HE WAS A ONE-MAN BAND.

HE DIDN'T SHOW UP --LIKE DAYS ON END.

AND THAT REALLY WORKED FOR ME, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY I WORK.

I FELT COMFORTABLE WITH HIM.

I RESPECTED HIS WORK ETHIC.

I LOVE THE FACT THAT HE WOULD BE LIKE CAN I COME AT 5:00 IN THE MORNING BEFORE YOU WAKE UP?

BECAUSE I LITERALLY DO THE SAME THING TO MY SUBJECTS.

SO HE KIND OF WORKED.

>> JIMMY, WHY START THE MOVIE WHERE YOU DID?

THIS IS JUST DAYS BEFORE THE KIND OF OFFICIAL INVASION OF UKRAINE, AND YOU ALREADY SEE LYNSEY AND HER PARTNER --AND TRYING TO CAPTURE WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.

>> WE'RE BEING SHELLED.

>> IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO KIND OF GET THE AUDIENCE PRIMED FOR HEY, THIS IS WHAT THE FILM'S ABOUT.

>> WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ON WHAT THAT OPENING SCENE WOULD BE, OF COURSE.

I MEAN, THAT'S A COMMON DEBATE WHEN YOU'RE MAKING A FILM.

BUT I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS JUST REAL AND IT WAS, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO JUST GET RIGHT INTO IT AND SHOW YOU.

OBVIOUSLY, I THINK IT GRABS PEOPLE'S ATTENTION AND SETS THE TONE.

AND I THINK IT'S THE REALITY OF WHAT SHE DOES.

AND I LOVE THAT I WAS A BIG PROPONENT OF OPENING WITH THAT SCENE.

BECAUSE THEN, YOU KNOW, WE THEN JUXTAPOSE IT TO WHEN SHE GOES BACK HOME.

AND I THINK THAT SETS UP THE FILM AND KIND OF THE MAIN --THE CHALLENGE THAT, YOU KNOW, LYNSEY IS FACING THROUGH THIS FILM.

AND IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT I'M ALSO VERY FAMILIAR WITH.

I WORK IN VERY HIGH STAKES AND FAIRLY DANGEROUS ENVIRONMENTS.

AND IT'S --IT'S KIND OF A WEIGHT THAT I UNDERSTOOD TO JUST SEE IT RIGHT OFF THE BAT AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SET THAT TONE WAS REALLY IMPORTANT.

>> MOMMY IS WORKING, ALFRED.

SHE'S IN ANOTHER COUNTRY, BUT SHE IS GOING TO COME BACK SOON.

>> I WONDER.

THERE ARE THESE SCENES IN THE FILM THAT KIND OF SHOW HOW DIFFICULT IT MUST BE TO HEAR YOUR KIDS SAY HEY, MOMMY, DON'T GO BACK OUT.

WHAT IS THAT CONVERSATION LIKE IN YOUR HEADS WHEN YOU ARE FIGURING OUT HOW TO RELATE THIS VALUE STRUCTURE THAT YOU HAVE, AND WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO DO THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING.

I GUESS LYNSEY, LET ME START WITH YOU.

>> OF COURSE, I WRESTLE WITH ALL THE TIME.

AND IT GETS --YOU KNOW, KIDS GO THROUGH PHASES WHERE THEY'RE MORE CLINGY SOMETIMES, AND OTHER TIMES THEY'RE FINE.

THEY UNDERSTAND.

AND I THINK UNFORTUNATELY RIGHT NOW WITH ALFRED, MY 6-YEAR-OLD, IT'S EVERY SINGLE DAY.

DO YOU HAVE TO LEAVE?

HOW LONG DO YOU HAVE TO GO?

WHY DO YOU HAVE TO GO?

THE OTHER DAY HE ASKED, DID YOU JUST COME FROM A WAR ZONE?

I MEAN, HE IS 6.

THERE IS DEFINITELY --THERE IS A LOT.

BUT THIS IS A PART OF WHO I AM.

THIS IS MY JOB.

I LOVE WHAT I DO.

IT'S A PRIVILEGE WHAT I DO.

AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

AND I WILL ALWAYS COME HOME.

AND I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO EXPRESS THAT IT'S A POSITIVE THING, YOU KNOW.

I DON'T WANT IT TO SEEM NEGATIVE THAT I'M GOING OFF TO WORK, BECAUSE I DO LOVE WHAT I DO.

THERE AREN'T THAT MANY PEOPLE WHO FEEL THE GREAT SORT OF PASSION AND PRIVILEGE FOR WHAT -- >> YEAH, JIMMY?

>> ONE OF MY FAVORITE QUOTES IN THE FILM WHEN LYNSEY SAYS "KIDS ARE SO MUCH HARDER THAN WAR. "

I LITERALLY --MINE ISN'T WAR, BUT MINE MIGHT BE CLIMBING THE NORTH FACE OF EVEREST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

KIDS ARE SO MUCH HARDER THAN CLIMBING --BUT WHAT LYNSEY SAYS REALLY STRIKES A NOTE FOR ME BECAUSE -- SAY AND THE SAME THING AND HAVE THE SAME INTENTION BEHIND HOW I TALK TO MY KIDS ABOUT IT, BECAUSE WE ARE MODELING WHAT I BELIEVE IS A GOOD WAY TO APPROACH LIFE.

YOU'RE LUCKY TO FIND YOUR CALLING.

YOU'RE LUCKY TO FIND SOMETHING THAT HAS MEANING AND GIVES YOU AND LIKE THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DO.

THIS IS IMPORTANT TO ME.

IT HAS AN IMPACT ON THE WORLD, A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE WORLD.

AND I WANT MY KIDS TO LIVE THAT WAY.

I WANT MY CHILDREN TO FIND SOMETHING TO BE PASSIONATE ABOUT SOMETHING, AND TO CARE ABOUT SOMETHING.

AND IF I CAN MODEL THAT AND SAY HEY, LOOK, I WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU.

I WILL LOVE YOU TODAY.

I LOVE YOU TOMORROW, WHETHER I'M HERE OR, THIS IS IMPORTANT WORK FOR ME.

>> LYNSEY, ONE OF THE STORIES THAT IS PROFILED IN THE FILM AS WELL IS A WOMAN IN SIERRA LEONE THAT YOU TOOK A PHOTO OF, AND YOU KIND OF GOT A LITTLE INVOLVED IN AS A REPORTER.

THIS IS EARLIER IN YOUR CAREER.

AND LATER IN THE FILM WE SEE THERE MAYBE WAS A PAYOFF THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT.

TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WAS IT MAMA SISAY?

>> IN 2009 I WAS NAMED A McARCHER FELLOW.

AND I WAS BLESSED WITH THAT GRANT.

AND I STARTED RESEARCHING A MATERNAL DEATH WAS AT EXTRAORDINARY RATES AT THAT POINT.

IT WAS 2010.

MORE THAN 500,000 WOMEN A YEAR WERE DYING IN CHILDBIRTH.

AND SIERRA LEONED A ONE OF THE HIGHEST NUMBERS OF WOMEN DYING IN CHILDBIRTH.

AND SO I WENT THERE, AND I WENT TO THE PROVINCE WHERE THERE WERE VERY FEW ROADS.

THERE WAS ONE DOCTOR IN THE ENTIRE PROVINCE.

AND I WENT TO THE MATERNITY WARD WHERE MATERNAL DEATHS WERE VERY HIGH.

AND AS I WALKED IN, I MET MAMA, AND THE FIRST BABY SHE DELIVERED IN HER VILLAGE, AND THE SECOND BABY WOULDN'T COME OUT.

AND SO HER SISTER, WHO WAS A MIDWIFE, SENT AN AMBULANCE FOR HER.

TO GET TO THAT AMBULANCE, SHE HAD TO TAKE A CANOE ACROSS THE RIVER AND THEN AN AMBULANCE FOR SIX HOURS IN ORDER TO GET TO THE NEAREST HOSPITAL.

AND SO I MET, HE AND WE TALKED FOR ABOUT AN HOUR, AND THEN SHE FINALLY DELIVERED THE SECOND BABY.

AND SHE WAS BLEEDING A LOT.

AND I --AND YOU CAN HEAR ME SAYING "SHE'S BLEEDING, IS THAT NORMAL? "

AND THE MIDWIVES WERE KIND OF MOPPING UP THE BLOOD.

AND I SAID IS THERE A DOCTOR?

AND THEY SAID THERE IS ONE DOCTOR IN THE WHOLE PROVINCE, BUT HE IS IN SURGERY.

AND I PUT MY CAMERAS DOWN, AND I RAN TO THE SURGICAL WARD AND LITERALLY PUT ON SCRUBS AND WENT INTO THE SURGICAL WARD AND SAID, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE IS A WOMAN DYING.

AND HE JUST LOOKED AT ME LIKE OBVIOUSLY I'M BUSY.

AND SO I RAN UP AND BRING HER TO HIM.

HER BLOOD PRESSURE WAS 60 OVER 40, I THINK.

AND BY THE TIME HE CAME OUT OF SURGERY, SHE DIED.

AND THAT STORY WAS PUBLISHED ACROSS EIGHT PAGES IN "TIME" MAGAZINE.

AND THEN A YEAR LATER I GOT A MESSAGE FROM A BOARD MEMBER AT MARK, AND SAID CAN I PLEASE MEET WITH YOU.

HE SAID, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SAW YOUR CITY TO OF MAMA SISAY, WE DISTRIBUTED A COPY OF "TIME" MAGAZINE ON CORPORATE RESPONSIBILITY.

THEY DECIDED UNANIMOUSLY TO START MERCK FOR MOTHERS AND PUT $500 MILLION ASIDE TO FIGHT MATERNAL DEATH.

AND IT'S NOT EXCLUSIVELY BECAUSE OF THAT STORY, BUT CERTAINLY I THINK THE VISUALS AND THE STORY ONE WOMAN WHO SENSELESSLY DIED IN CHILDBIRTH WHO COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED REALLY KIND OF SPOKE TO THEM.

AND I THINK THAT THAT IS THE IMPORTANCE OF JOURNALISM AND OF --WE ALL STRIVE FOR WHEN WE COVER THESE HUMAN STORIES.

>> IF MAMA SISAY IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT KIND OF FULFILLS YOUR SOUL AND RECOMMITS YOU TO PHOTO JOURNALISM, I'VE GOT TO ASK ALSO ABOUT LIBYA AND WHERE YOU AND OTHER COLLEAGUES WERE KIDNAPPED AND HELD FOR SIX DAYS.

>> NO WORD FROM FOUR "NEW YORK TIMES" JOURNALIST.

LYNSEY ADDARIO IS AMONG THE MISSING.

>> WE DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY WERE LIVE OR THEY WERE DEAD.

>> FOR SIX DAYS.

>> YOU KNOW, WHAT DID THAT DO TO YOU WHEN YOU CAME OUT OF THAT?

DID YOU THINK MAYBE THIS ISN'T FOR ME?

>> LIBYA WAS BRUTAL.

I MEAN, LIBYA, IT WAS ME, TYLER HICKS, ANTHONY SHADID AND FARRELL FOR "THE NEW YORK TIMES. "

WE WERE HELD FOR SIX DAYS.

WE WERE TIED UP, BEATEN UP, BLINDFOLDED, PUNCHED IN THE FACE.

BASICALLY EVERY MAN WHO CAME ACROSS US, WHILE BLINDFOLDED, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY TERRIFYING.

AND I THINK AT THE END OF THAT, A FEW THINGS HAPPENED.

FIRST OF ALL, I WAS REALLY GRATEFUL THAT WE SURVIVED.

OUR DRIVER DID NOT.

AND I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW LUCKY WE WERE.

LESS THAN A MONTH LATER, TWO OF MY VERY DEAR FRIENDS AND OUR COLLEAGUES WERE KILLED IN LIBYA.

AND I THINK -- I THINK THERE IS SO MUCH YOU CAN CHALK UP TO LUCK.

THERE IS NO REASON WE SHOULD HAVE LIVED.

SO I THINK --I THINK JUST UNDERSTANDING HOW LUCKY WE WERE, JUST GAVE ME THAT SENSE THAT THERE IS A REASON WHY I'M STILL HERE.

I KNEW THAT I WOULD HAVE TO RENEGOTIATE KIND OF DANGER IN A WAY THAT I WOULDN'T GET KIDNAPPED AGAIN, OF COURSE.

AND THAT I COULDN'T PUT MY FAMILY THROUGH THAT AGAIN.

NOT ONLY BY MICHIGAN HUSBAND.

I DIDN'T HAVE CHILDREN AT THE TIME.

BUT MY PARENTS AND MY SISTERS.

AND I THINK BECAUSE WE DO THIS JOB -- ANYTHING THAT I HAVE TO LIVE WITH.

THAT'S WHY IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO WATCH THE FILM, BECAUSE I CAN'T DARE TO WATCH MY FAMILY TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY'VE SUFFERED BECAUSE OF THE DECISIONS I'VE MADE PROFESSIONALLY.

AND THEN I ALSO REALIZE THAT ONE THING THAT REALLY GOT ME THROUGH LIBYA WAS THE FACT --EXTRAORDINARY WOMEN OVER THE YEAR -- OF RAPE AND, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE MOST BRUTAL CIRCUMSTANCES, YET THEY HAD THE COURAGE TO CONTINUE ON.

AND I REALLY THOUGHT OF THEM IN THOSE HORRIFICALLY DARK MOMENTS.

AND THEY HELPED ME GET THROUGH IT.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE AND TO BE ABLE TO USE THEIR HUMAN SPIRIT AND RESILIENCE TO HELP ME GET THROUGH.

>> COMMITTED TO PROTECT JOURNALISTS HAS BEEN TRACKING THE NUMBER OF JOURNALISTS AND MEDIA -- WHERE THEY SAID AT LEAST 124 JOURNALISTS AND MEDIA WORKERS WERE KILLED.

AND I GUESS THAT TO ME IS -- IS THERE SOME SORT OF A FUNDAMENTAL SHIFT HERE?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I MEAN, WHEN WE --WHEN I FIRST STARTED 25 YEARS AGO, I REMEMBER GOING IN TO AFGHANISTAN DURING THE FALL OF THE TALIBAN IN KANDAHAR IN -- WERE VERY CLEARLY IDENTIFIED OURSELVES AS JOURNALISTS AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW -- NOW THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

NOT ONLY IS IT KIDNAPPINGS, YOU KNOW, KIDNAPPINGS HAVE BEEN ON THE RISE FOR JOURNALISTS TO HOLD THEM FOR RANSOM, BUT ALSO TARGETING KILLINGS OF JOURNALISTS WHO GOVERNMENTS OR INTERNATIONAL ACTORS WOULD LIKE TO SILENCE.

AND I THINK IT'S -- BECAUSE WE COULD HAVE BEEN EXECUTED AT ANY POINT.

IN FACT, IN THE -- HAD GUNS PUT TO OUR HEADS.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE ROUTINE.

AND I THINK WE SEE THIS IN GAZA WHERE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST 200 JOURNALISTS HAVE BEEN KILLED ACCORDING TO THE COMMITTEE TO PROTECT JOURNALISTS.

AND I THINK IT'S -- DOING A SERVICE FOR THE PUBLIC.

>> JIMMY, I WONDER, WHAT DID DOING -- HUGE ARCHIVES OF ALL OF HER WORK.

WHAT --WHAT'S YOUR TAKEAWAY FROM THIS, BOTH AS A PEER AND A COLLEAGUE AND SOMEONE WHO IS KIND OF A FAN, BUT ALSO AS A PARENT WHO ALSO DOES SOME DANGEROUS THINGS?

>> WE MADE THE FILM BECAUSE WE FELT THAT HER WORK IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND EXTRAORDINARY, AND THE STORIES THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME WHERE -- AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT SHE DOES, I THINK VERY MUCH FALLS INTO THAT CATEGORY.

THE FILMS HAVE TO MEAN SOMETHING TO ME BECAUSE WE BLEED FOR THESE FILMS, YOU KNOW.

WE WORK ON THEM FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, AND THEY HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING IMPORTANT.

I'M JUST -- >> "LOVE + WAR," IT IS STREAMING NOW ON DISNEY+.

DIRECTOR JIMMY CHIN AND LYNSEY ADDARIO.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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