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>> HERE, REALLY, DOESN'T WANT TO FINISH THIS WAR.

>> AND THE KREMLIN ACCUSES EUROPE OF SCUTTLING A PRO-RUSSIA PEACE PLAN.

AS PREDICTED, NOTHING WAS PREDICTED BETWEEN PUTIN AND TRUMP AFTER TALKS IN MOSCOW.

>> MY BROTHER IS MISSING.

>> MY COUSIN WENT MISSING YESTERDAY.

>> 16 YEARS OLD, MISSING.

>> BULLDOZED CORPS AND UNMARKED GRAVES.

THE PALESTINIANS THAT WENT MISSING WHILE TRYING TO GET AID AT THE ISRAEL-GAZA BORDER.

JEREMY DIAMOND INVESTIGATES.

>> THERE ARE ATROCITIES COMMITTED EVERY DAY.

>> SETTLER VIOLENCE ON THE RISE IN THE WEST BANK.

THE FORMER PRIME MINISTER JOINS ME TO SHARE A STARK WARNING.

>> MY LIFE HAS BEEN DEDICATED TO MAKING SURE ALL-AMERICANS HAVE ACCESS TO ADEQUATE HEALTH CARE.

>> HEALTH CARE UNDER ATTACK IN AMERICA.

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>> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM EVERYONE.

I AM CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR IN LONDON.

HIGH STAKES AND LOW RESULTS IN MOSCOW DESPITE AT LEAST FIVE HOURS OF TALKS BETWEEN REPRESENTATIVES OF VLADIMIR PUTIN AND REPRESENTATIVES OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S MOST TRUSTED NEGOTIATORS.

STEVE WITKOFF AND HIS OWN SON-IN-LAW JARED KUSHNER.

THE KREMLIN SAYS THAT THE WORK WILL CONTINUE.

KEY STICKING POINTS REMAIN WITH KYIV REJECTING MOSCOW'S DEMAND TO CEDE TERRITORY RUSSIA HASN'T EVEN CONQUERED AND TO LIMIT UKRAINE'S SOVEREIGN TEE.

BOTH SAY PUTIN SHOWS NO SIGN OF MAKING MEANINGFUL CONCESSIONS TO END THE WAR.

FOREIGN MINISTERS MET IN BRUSSELS, BUT FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 1999 THE UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF STATE DID NOT ATTEND.

A SIGN OF THE WIDENING GAP BETWEEN AMERICA AND EUROPE.

JULIANNE SMITH WAS AMBASSADOR TO NATO DURING RUSSIA'S FULL-SCALE INVASION OF UKRAINE IN 2022.

SHE JOINS ME NOW FROM WASHINGTON, D.C.

WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM.

>> THANK YOU.

>> CAN I START BY ASKING YOU ABOUT TODAY'S STORY.

THAT IS THE SECRETARY OF STATE DID NOT TURN UP TO THE NATO MEETING.

A, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?

HOW IMPORTANT WAS THE NATO MEETING?

>> WELL, LOOK, NATO FOREIGN MINISTERS COME TOGETHER ABOUT TWICE A YEAR FOR THE VERY HIGH LEVEL AND IMPORTANT MEETINGS.

ESSENTIALLY FOR ALMOST FOUR YEARS THE CHIEF TOPIC AT THE MEETINGS WHEN FOREIGN MINISTERS GATHER HAS BEEN UKRAINE.

NO DOUBT THE ALLIES WERE HOPING TODAY THEY WOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO SIT DOWN WITH THE SECRETARY OF STATE MARCO RUBIO AND GET HIS UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE AFTER THE MEETING IN MOSCOW YESTERDAY.

RUBIO OPTED NOT TO JOIN THE FOREIGN MINISTERS MEETING.

INSTEAD HE SENT HIS DEPUTY.

THIS IS EXTRAORDINARILY UNCOMMON FOR THE UNITED STATES TO DO SO.

THEY WERE PEPPERING HIM, I EXPECT, WITH A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE THINGS STAND IN LIGHT OF WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY.

>> SO, THIS IS FROM THE NATO SECRETARY GENERAL.

THIS IS A QUOTE FROM HIS PRESS CONFERENCE AFTER THE NATO MEETING.

WE ARE READY AND WILLING TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO PROTECT OUR 1 BILLION PEOPLE AND SECURE OUR TERRITORY.

THIS IS AFTER THIS FROM RUSSIA, FROM PUTIN.

TAKE A LISTEN TO THIS.

>> WE ARE NOT PLANNING TO GO TO WAR WITH EUROPE.

I HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN ABOUT THIS A HUNDRED TIMES.

IF EUROPE SUDDENLY WANTS TO GO TO WAR WITH US AND STARTS, WE ARE READY RIGHT NOW.

>> THEY, THEMSELVES, REFUSED PEACE NEGOTIATIONS AND ARE INTERFERING WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP.

THEY HAVE NO PEACE AGENDA.

THEY ARE ON THE SIDE OF WAR.

EVEN WHEN THEY TRY TO ALLEGEDLY MAKE CHANGES TO TRUMP'S PROPOSALS, WE CLEARLY SEE ALL OF THE CHANGES ARE AIMED AT ONE THING, TO BLOCK THE PEACE PROCESS, AND TO PUT FORWARD DEMANDS THAT ARE UNACCEPTABLE FOR RUSSIA.

>> YOU KNOW, THERE IS RUSSIA VS.

UKRAINE AND RUSSIA VS.

EUROPE.

DO YOU BELIEVE PUTIN WHEN HE SAYS WE NEVER WANT TO GO TO WAR WITH EUROPE, BUT IF IT HAPPENS WE WILL BE READY.

>> I FOUND THE STATEMENT TO BE DISTURBING.

IT SEEMED TO BE A THINLY VEILED THREAT THAT RUSSIA IS AT THE READY AND POSSIBLY WILLING TO TRY TO TOUCH NATO TERRITORY.

WE DO KNOW THAT RUSSIA SPENT YEARS, DECADES TRYING VERY HARD TO ERODE ALLIES COMMITMENT AND FAITH IN NATO'S ARTICLE V, AN ATTACK ON ONE IS AN ATTACK ON ALL.

WE HAVE SEEN A NUMBER OF SABOTAGE EVENTS IN RECENT YEARS.

WE HAVE SEEN INCIDENTS WHERE DRONES HAVE FLOWN INTO POLISH AIR SPACE AND RUSSIAN JETS FLYING OVER ESTONIA.

THESE ARE CLASSIC PLAYS THAT ARE DESIGNED TO DIVIDE THE ALLIANCE AND CHIP AWAY AT THE UNITY EXISTING INSIDE OF THE NATO ALLIANCE AND CREATING UNCERTAINTY AND INSECURITY ACROSS THE EUROPEAN CONTINENT.

WHEN I HEAR PUTIN'S STATEMENT, IT IS NOT SURPRISING, BUT IT SHOULD WORRY EUROPE IN TERMS OF HOW RUSSIA IS POSITIONING ITSELF TO POSSIBLY TOUCH OR TO INVADE OR TO INTERVENE IN NATO TERRITORY, WHICH I HOPE NEVER HAPPENS.

BUT I DO NOT LIKE THE SOUND OF WHAT WE HEARD YESTERDAY FROM PUTIN.

>> AND TODAY WHEN HE SAID WE WILL DEFEND OUR 1 BILLION PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, IT IS SOMETHING TO THINK THAT THERE ARE THAT MANY PEOPLE IN NATO, BUT NONETHELESS DO YOU THINK THAT NATO HAS THE WHEREWITHAL AND EUROPE IN PARTICULAR TO CONFRONT OR STAVE OFF ANY TYPE OF RUSSIAN MISADVENTURE INSIDE OF EUROPE?

>> I DO THINK THE NATO ALLIANCE HAS WHAT IT TAKES TO DEFEND NATO TERRITORY AGAINST A RUSSIAN CONVENTIONAL INTERVENTION OF SOME TYPE ON NATO TERRITORY.

I DON'T BELIEVE IT CAN BE DONE WITHOUT THE ASSISTANCE OF THE UNITED STATES.

EUROPE, AS YOU WELL KNOW IS INVESTING EYE-WATERING SUMS OF RESOURCES IN THEIR OWN DEFENSE RIGHT NOW.

WITHIN THE NEXT DECADE EUROPE WILL LOOK ENTIRELY DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF THE CAPABILITY THAT IT HAS TO DEFEND ITSELF.

RIGHT NOW HERE AT THE END OF 2025, THE ALLIANCE IS STILL VERY MUCH A TRANSATLANTIC ALLIANCE.

A PROJECT WHERE AMERICA AND EUROPE AND CANADA CAN COME TOGETHER TO DEFEND NATO TERRITORY.

I LIKED WHAT HAPPENED IN THE NATO SUMMIT THIS PAST SUMMER.

PRESIDENT TRUMP SEEMED CONFIDENT AND UPBEAT ABOUT THE NATO ALLIANCE.

SOME OF WHAT WE ARE SEEING AND HEARING, MARCO RUBIO SKIPPING THE FOREIGN MINISTER'S MEETING.

THAT MAKES ONE ASK, WILL THE ADMINISTRATION CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE ALLIANCE THROUGH AND THROUGH AND TO REMAIN AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE IMPORTANT ALLIANCE.

>> >> CRITICAL TO THAT IS WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION DOES TO MAKE PUTIN UNDERSTAND THAT THE WAR IS UNWINNABLE ON THE BATTLEFIELD AND THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SERIOUS NEGOTIATIONS.

LET'S ASK ABOUT YOUR ANALYSIS.

SIXTH TIME WITKOFF TRAVELLED TOMAS COW TO TO MOSCOW TO TALK TO PUTIN.

RUBIO SAID PRODUCTIVE, BUT A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE.

RUSSIA SAID SIMILAR, BUT WILLING TO KEEP TALKING.

PUTIN KEEPING KUSHNER AND WITKOFF WAITING.

ANOTHER FIVE HOURS OF TALK.

THAT IS OBFUSCATION AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL, PLAYING POWER GAMES.

WHAT IS HE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THIS, PUTIN?

>> WELL, PUTIN IS PLAYING FOR TIME.

WE HAVE SEEN MANY INSTANCES THROUGHOUT THE PAST NINE OR TEN MONTHS WHEN PUTIN MAKES VERY SMALL GESTURES TOWARDS MOVING TOWARDS PEACE.

AT THE END OF THE DAY WE DO NOT SEE EVIDENCE HE IS REALLY READY TO MAKE ANY CONCESSIONS.

IN MY BOOK WHAT WE SAW YESTERDAY IN MOSCOW WAS A CHAPTER WHERE PUTIN SMILES FOR THE CAMERAS.

HE SAYS A FEW SENTENCES ONE COULD INTERPRET AT ENCOURAGING.

THEN WHAT YOU HEAR IS THE BOTTOM LINE.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT RUSSIA IS NOWHERE CLOSER TO REACHING SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT.

RUSSIA IS NOT PREPARED TO MAKE REAL CONCESSIONS, AND THE MIDDLE GROUND THAT WE REALLY NEED BETWEEN UKRAINE AND RUSSIA RIGHT NOW SEEMS FURTHER AWAY THAN EVER BEFORE.

SO, I WAS DISCOURAGED BY WHAT HAPPENED.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ENGAGE RUSSIA DIRECTLY WHILE JARED KUSHNER AND STEVE WITKOFF ARE CAPABLE IN THEIR OWN RIGHT, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE THE DEPTH OF EXPERIENCE TO FULLY APPRECIATE HOW PRESIDENT PUTIN PLANS OUT THE MEETINGS AND HOW HE EXECUTES THE MEETINGS.

HE LOOKS FOR WAYS TO MANIPULATE HIS FRIENDS ACROSS THE TABLE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMEONE SITTING AT THE TABLE THAT HAS GOT YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, PREFERABLY DECADES IN DEALING WITH PUTIN AND WITH THE FOLKS AROUND HIM.

THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS.

YOU NEED PEOPLE WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE CLASSIC RUSSIAN PLAYS LIKE LEAVING PEOPLE TO WAIT MANY HOURS AT THE TABLE.

>> NOT TO MENTION THE RUSSIAN PLAY ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE GROUND OR NOT.

THEY INSIST THEY ARE DOING WELL ON THE BATTLEFIELD AND KEEP MAKING THE CLAIMS, IT IS NOT DOING AS WELL AS IT SHOULD HOW THEY OUT NUMBER UKRAINIANS AND OUT GUNS THEM AND THE REST OF IT.

DO YOU AGREE, LIKE MOST, THAT A CEASE-FIRE IS AT LEAST THE VERY BEGINNING OF ANY KIND OF A BASIS FOR PEACE NEGOTIATIONS AND PUTIN DOES NOT EVEN AGREE TO THAT.

WHAT DO YOU THINK IT WILL TAKE TO GET HIM TO COMMIT TO THE BASICS, WHICH IS A CEASE-FIRE?

>> I DO THINK A CEASE-FIRE IS WHERE WE HAVE TO START.

THAT HAS TO BE CENTRAL TO ANYTHING MOVING FORWARD.

THE FACT THAT WE CONTINUE TO HEAR FROM PUTIN HE HAS NO INTEREST IN A CEASE-FIRE LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT SOME SORT OF A NEGOTIATED OUTCOME IS MONTHS, AND HOPEFULLY NOT YEARS AWAY.

BUT WHAT WE NEED TO SEE ON THE PART OF THE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW IS PRESSURE.

PRESSURE ON MOSCOW.

I FEEL LIKE THE UKRAINIANS HAVE COME A LONG WAY.

WE HAVE SEEN MOVEMENT ON THE RED LINES AND THEIR WILLINGNESS TO PUT FORWARD REALLY CONCRETE CONCESSIONS.

WHAT WE HAVE NOT SEEN IS A TYPE OF INDICATION FROM THE OTHER SIDE, FROM MOSCOW.

I LIKED WHAT I SAW THE ADMINISTRATION DO, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION DO JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

THAT WAS TO PUT THE SANCTIONS ON.

THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT STEP OF APPLYING PRESSURE ON MOSCOW.

WE COULD DELIVER THE TOMAHAWKS TO UKRAINE.

I BELIEVE THAT WOULD HELP PUTIN FOCUS.

I THINK IT WOULD ALTER HIS CALCULUS, AND I THINK HE WOULD BE WILLING TO COME TO THE TABLE WITH A DIFFERENT SET OF DEMANDS IF HE UNDERSTOOD THE U.S.

WAS PRESSURING MOSCOW AND SUPPORTING UKRAINE THROUGHOUT THE SERIES OF NEGOTIATIONS.

>> THAT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT THAT YOU MAKE.

ON THE ONE HAND TRUMP PUT THE SANCTIONS ON THE OIL ORGANIZATIONS, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND HE WAS GOING TO DO THE TOMAHAWKS.

ZELENSKYY WAS THERE.

HE WAS TOLD AND WE HAVE SEEN IT THROUGH THE LEAKED CONVERSATIONS TO TALK TO TRUMP BEFORE ZELENSKYY GETS THERE.

THE AMERICAN NEGOTIATORS SUGGESTED ACCORDING TO THE LEAKED TRANSCRIPTS WITH RUSSIAN AIDES THAT PUTIN SHOULD TALK TO THE BOSS FIRST AND THEN NO MORE TALK OF TOMAHAWKS.

AT WHAT POINT DOES ONE GET A UNIFIED AMERICAN POSITION AND A UNIFIED AMERICAN-EUROPEAN POSITION?

>> THIS HAS BEEN THE CHALLENGE SINCE JANUARY OF THIS YEAR WHEN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION CAME IN TO OFFICE.

IT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE WHAT THE ACTUAL POSITION OF THE ADMINISTRATION IS WHEN IT COMES TO UKRAINE.

THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHEN IT APPEARS LIKE THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN DEEPLY FRUSTRATED WITH PRESIDENT PUTIN AND HE SEEMED READY AT A NUMBER OF MOMENTS THROUGHOUT THE LAST TEN MONTHS TO TURN THE SCREWS ON MOSCOW AND TO REALLY PUSH PUTIN TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE, PUSHING HIM TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE.

OTHER TIMES HE HAS CALLED UKRAINE NOT THE VICTIM BUT THE AGGRESSOR AND TOOK VARIOUS POSITIONS MAKING IT CLEAR HE DOES NOT SUPPORT UKRAINE IN THIS MOMENT AS IT DEFENDS IT TERRITORY AGAINST RUSSIAN UNPROVOKED AGGRESSION.

NAVIGATING THIS NOT ONLY HAS BEEN DIFFICULT FOR OUR FRIENDS IN UKRAINE, AND NO DOUBT THE RUSSIANS HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS THEMSELVES.

WHAT HAS BEEN EQUALLY CHALLENGING IS OUR EUROPEAN ALLIES TRYING TO NAVIGATE THE UPS AND THE DOWNS OF THE U.S.

POSITION.

THEY ARE FRUSTRATED.

>> AS I SAID, NATO AMBASSADOR FOR THE UNITED STATES DURING THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION AND IN 2022 DURING RUSSIA'S FULL-SCALE INVASION.

BIDEN RALLIED NATO AND SENT WEAPONS AND THINGS.

YOU KNOW THERE ARE COMPLAINTS IT DID NOT HAPPEN SOON ENOUGH AND THE STRONG WEAPONS THEY NEEDED WERE NOT THERE SOON ENOUGH.

THERE WERE MOMENTS UKRAINE WAS ON THE FRONT FOOT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY REFLECTIONS ON YOUR PERIOD THERE AND MAYBE OPPORTUNITIES MISSED AND LOST AT THAT TIME?

>> I AM VERY PROUD OF THE RECORD THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS IN SUPPORTING UKRAINE AND I AM GRATEFUL TO THE PRESIDENT AND THOSE AROUND HIM THAT WERE ABLE TO RALLY OVER 50 COUNTRIES TO COME TO THE SUPPORT OF UKRAINE.

I THINK THAT OUR POSITION WASN'T CLOUDY THROUGHOUT THE THREE YEARS.

IT WAS CRYSTAL CLEAR.

UKRAINE KNEW THAT THEY COULD RELY ON THE UNITED STATES.

IN HINDSIGHT THERE ARE MOMENTS WHERE WE ALL LOOK BACK AND WE QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT ON A PARTICULAR MONTH THAT SOME CAPABILITY COULD HAVE BEEN DELIVERED FASTER.

I THINK THAT ALL OF US THAT SERVED IN THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION ARE WILLING TO SIT WITH THE CHOICES THAT WE MADE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WE ARE PROUD OF THE WAY WE WERE ABLE TO SUPPORT A COUNTRY IN CRISIS.

AND WE ALL WANT TO SEE AN END TO THIS WAR.

WE JUST WISH THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION WOULD APPLY THE NECESSARY PRESSURE ON MOSCOW TO GET IT DONE.

>> AMBASSADOR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING WITH US.

NOW WE TURN TO GAZA.

A FEW MONTHS INTO THE CEASE-FIRE PALESTINIANS ARE RETURNING HOME, TRYING TO RESTART THEIR LIVES AMID THE RUBBLE AND RUINS OF WAR.

FAMILIES ARE SEARCHING FOR LOVED ONES THAT WENT MISSING WHILE THEY WERE DESPERATELY TRYING TO RECEIVE FOOD AT THE HEIGHT OF THE WAR.

NOW A NEW VIDEO INVESTIGATION POINTS TO THE ISRAELI MILITARY BULLDOZING SOME OF THE BODIES OF SOME OF THE PALESTINIANS NEAR A CROSSING IN NORTHERN GAZA.

A BROADER PATTERN OF THEIR SOLDIERS MISHANDLING BODIES IN WAYS THAT COULD AMOUNT TO WAR CRIMES.

JEREMY DIAMOND HAS THIS INVESTIGATION.

>> MY BROTHER IS MISSING.

>> MY COUSIN WENT MISSING.

>> Reporter: 16 YEARS OLD WENT MISSING.

>> MY SON WENT MISSING ON SUNDAY.

>> Reporter: MESSAGES FROM DESPERATE FAMILIES, ALL SEARCHING FOR LOVED ONES THAT WENT OUT TO SEEK AID AND NEVER CAME BACK.

THIS 23-YEAR-OLD WAS ONE OF THEM.

LAST SEEN IN JUNE GOING TO THE CROSSING IN NORTHERN GAZA WHERE UNITED NATIONS FOOD TRUCKS ENTERED.

HIS MOTHER IS STILL DESPERATE FOR ANSWERS.

>> Reporter: HIS FATE IS STILL UNKNOWN, BUT A CNN INVESTIGATION BASED ON VIDEO AND EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS POINTS TO THE ISRAELI MILITARY BULLDOZING THE BODIES OF SOME OF THOSE KILLED NEAR THE CROSSING.

IDF WHISTLEBLOWERS POINT TO A BROADER PATTERN OF THE ISRAELI MILITARY MISHANDLING BODIES IN WAYS THAT COULD AMOUNT TO WAR CRIMES.

COLLECTING HUMANITARIAN AID BECAME A DEADLY REALITY IN GAZA OVER THE SUMMER BEFORE THE CEASE-FIRE TOOK EFFECT.

MORE THAN 2,000 PALESTINIANS WERE KILLED BY ISRAELI FIRE WHILE TRYING TO GET AID ACCORDING TO THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION.

THE ISRAELI MILITARY HAS ACKNOWLEDGED FIRING TOWARDS THE CROWD BUT SAID IT DOES NOT INTENTIONALLY FIRE AT CIVILIANS.

HUNDREDS, SOME DEAD AND OTHERS CLINGING ON TO LIFE WERE HAULED AWAY AMID THE MAYHEM, INCLUDING HERE NEAR THE ZAKIM CROSSING.

AMID THE CLATTERING OF GUNFIRE OTHERS WERE LEFT BEHIND.

SIX AID TRUCK DRIVERS TOLD CNN THEY SAW DOZENS OF BODIES NEAR THE CROSSING SURROUNDED BY AID BOXES.

SOME WITNESSED ISRAELI MILITARY BULLDOZERS BURYING BODIES.

THERE ARE BODIES ANYWHERE, DECOMPOSED SKELETAL REMAINS ONE TRUCK DRIVER TOLD CNN.

SOME ARE COVERED WITH DIRT BECAUSE THE ARMY CANNOT TOLERATE THE SMELL OF DECOMPOSING BODIES.

I WATCHED ISRAELI BULLDOZERS BURY THE DEAD SAID A THIRD.

THIS VIDEO SHOWS THE AFTERMATH OF ISRAELI'S BULLDOZING ALONG WITH A CRUSHED OVERTURNED TRUCK.

A PARAMEDIC AT THE SCENE SAID RESCUE WORKERS HAULED AWAY 15 DEAD PALESTINIANS.

WITH THE AMBULANCE FULL SOME BODIES HAD TO BE LEFT BEHIND.

CNN LOCATED THE VIDEO TO THIS LOCATION.

YOU CAN SEE THE OVERTURNED TRUCK HERE ALONG SIDE BULLDOZED ROADS AND TRACK MARKS LEFT BY HEAVY MACHINERY OR ARMORED VEHICLES.

THESE ARE THE ROADS WHERE CROWDS OF STARVING PALESTINIANS SWARMED AID TRUCKS ON A NEAR DAILY BASIS AND THEY WERE FIRED UPON AND AT TIMES KILLED BY ISRAELI GUNFIRE.

WE LOCATED MULTIPLE VIDEOS OF PEOPLE BEING SHOT AND KILLED TO THESE BULLDOZED AREAS.

THE SAME AREA SOME BODIES WERE LEFT BEHIND IN THE CHAOS.

AUGUST 9th, EVIDENCE OF FRESH BULLDOZING APPEARS IN THE EXACT SAME LOCATION.

THIS VIDEO SHOWS JUST HOW CLOSE ISRAELI FORCES, INCLUDING THIS D BULLDOZER WERE TO THE CROWDS.

THE SOLDIERS CAME IN FRONT OF US, EYES TO EYES AND THE QUAD KOPTER WAS TEN METERS AWAY.

THEY WERE SHOT IN FRONT OF US.

THERE WAS A MARTYR THAT STAYED OVER THERE AND NOBODY COULD GET CLOSE TO HIM.

WE BEGGED THE SOLDIERS TO LET US CARRY HIM BACK AND THEY DID NOT ALLOW US.

A DETAILED LIST OF QUESTIONS.

THE MILITARY SAID BULLDOZERS POSITIONED IN THE AREA ARE "USED FOR OPERATIONAL PURPOSES" TO DEAL WITH IED THREATS AND ROUTINE ENGINEERING NEEDS AND DENIED THEY WERE USED TO REMOVE BODIES, AND DID NOT ADDRESS QUESTIONS ABOUT BURYING THEM.

THE MILITARY DECLINED TO DESCRIBE PROTOCOL FOR DEALING WITH BODIES IN GAZA.

THE ISRAELI'S MILITARY IMPROPER DISPOSAL OF BODIES OF PALESTINIANS STRETCHED FAR BEYOND ZAKIM.

WE SPOKE WITH TWO ISRAELI SOLDIERS AND BOTH DESCRIBED BODIES OF PALESTINIANS BEING BURIED IN SHALLOW UNMARKED GRAVES IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF GAZA.

>> ESSENTIALLY THE IDEA IS TO SHOVE THE BODY WITH A BUNCH OF DIRT CLEARING THE ROAD AND PUSH IT TO THE SIDES.

>> THAT WAS IT?

>> THAT WAS IT, YEAH.

>> THE GRAVE WAS NOT MARKED?

>> NO.

>> NO IDENTIFICATION PROCESS OR NOTIFICATION PROCESS OR ANY INTERNATIONAL OR PALESTINIAN ORGANIZATIONS?

>> NOT I AM AWARE OF IN MY UNIT.

WE WERE NEVER GIVEN PROTOCOL OR ORDER OF HOW TO HANDLE BODIES.

NEVER ONCE ANYONE TOLD US IF YOU HAVE A BODY THIS IS WHAT SHOULD BE DONE.

>> Reporter: BY ALLOWING THE DEAD TO BECOME THE MISSING INTERNATIONAL LAW EXPERTS SAY BULLDOZING BODIES INTO UNMARKED GRAVES CAN VIOLATE INTERNATIONAL LAW AND IF THE BODIES ARE MUTILATED OR DESECRATED IT CAN RISE TO A WAR CRIME UNDER THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS.

ABOUT A MONTH AFTER GOING MISSING IN JUNE, HIS PHONE WAS RETURNED TO THE FAMILY.

A MESSAGE WAS LEFT ON THE HOME SCREEN.

FORGIVE ME MOM IF ANYTHING HAPPENS TO ME.

WHOEVER FINDS MY PHONE PLEASE TELL MY FAMILY THAT I LOVE THEM SO MUCH.

A MESSAGE THAT READS LIKE A YOUNG MAN'S FINAL WORDS.

WORDS THAT ARE IMPOSSIBLE FOR A MOTHER TO ACCEPT WITHOUT A BODY TO BURY.

>> THANKS TO JEREMY DIAMOND FOR THAT INVESTIGATIVE REPORT.

HE HAS ALSO REPORTED GROSS VIOLATIONS OVER IN THE OCCUPIED WEST BANK WHERE ISRAEL I SETTLE VIOLENCE HAS REACHED RECORD LEVELS ACCORDING TO THE UN.

ONE OF THE LATEST SHOCKING INCIDENTS WAS CAUGHT ON CAMERA.

THIS FOOTAGE SHOWS IDF SOLDIERS SHOOTING AND KILLING TWO PEOPLE APPEARING TO BE SURRENDERING.

PALESTINIAN ISLAMIC JIHAD SAID THEY WERE ENGAGING IN FIRE WITH ISRAELI SOLDIERS AND CALLED IT A FIELD EXECUTION.

ISRAELI'S FAR RIGHT NATIONAL SECURITY MINISTER RESPONDED PRAISING THE SOLDIERS AND PROMOTING THE UNIT COMMANDER.

LAST WEEK AS THE VIDEO EMERGED I SPOKE WITH ISRAEL'S FORMER PRIME MINISTER WHO IS SOUNDING THE ALARM ABOUT ISRAEL'S CONDUCT IN THE WEST BANK.

>> I THINK IT HAS TO BE CHECKED AND I HOPE IT WILL BE CHECKED AND EXAMINED IN A PROPER MANNER BY THE ISRAELI ARMY.

IT WILL BE VERIFIED.

I HOPE NECESSARY MEASURES WILL BE TAKEN AND THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT WILL BE COURT-MARTIALED.

IT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE EXAMINED CAREFULLY.

THERE CERTAINLY IS SOME COMING OCCASIONALLY IN THE WEST BANK.

IT HAS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF IN THE MOST EFFECTIVE MANNER.

I HOPE THAT THE ISRAELI AUTHORITIES ARE DOING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO PREVENT THE TERROR OF PALESTINIANS.

I AM NOT CERTAIN THEY ARE DOING THE SAME IN ORDER TO PREVENT THE JEWISH TERROR WHICH IS PERPETRATED ON A DAILY BASIS BY ISRAELI SETTLERS IN THE WEST BANK.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS MASSIVE AND UGLY AND OUTRAGEOUS AND TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE AND INTOLERABLE AND UNFORGIVABLE.

ON A DAILY BASIS THERE ARE SETTLERS THAT ARE CRACKING DOWN ON INNOCENT PALESTINIANS.

WORST, THEY ARE BURNING THEIR HOMES AND THREATENING THEIR LIVES AND BURNING THEIR OLIVE GROVES.

IN MY MIND SHOWS THESE GUYS HAVE NO ANY ATTITUDE TOWARDS THE LAND AND WHAT GROWS ON THE LAND.

THOSE THAT BURN OLIVE GROVES OF PALESTINIANS WILL BURN EVERYTHING.

IT IS DONE WITH THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE ISRAELI POLICE AND GROSS INDIFFERENCE BY THE ISRAELI MILITARY IN THE AREA.

IT IS TIME TO STOP IT.

I AM AFRAID THE DAY WILL COME THAT ISRAEL WILL BE BROUGHT TO THE CRIMINAL COURT IN THE HAGUE, NOT BECAUSE OF GAZA WHERE THERE WAS NO GENOCIDE IN MY JUDGMENT, BUT WHAT IS TAKING PLACE IN THE WEST BANK, AN AREA UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL AND WHERE THERE ARE ATROCITIES COMMITTED EVERY DAY BY JEWS.

UNFORGIVABLE.

>> PRIME MINISTER, INCREDIBLY STRONG STUFF TO HEAR FROM AN ISRAELI, FROM A JEW AND THE FORMER PRIME MINISTER ABOUT THE STATUS OF YOUR ARMED FORCES AND THE TASID APPROVAL OF THE GUST AND THE LIKE.

YOU SAY IT NEEDS TO BE STOPPED IMMEDIATELY.

I AM GOING TO READ THIS TO YOU.

THE POLICE MINISTER, KNOWN TO BE VERY FAR RIGHT, THE NATIONAL SECURITY MINISTER HAS POSTED IN REGARDS TO THE ORIGINAL VIDEO THAT I TOLD YOU ABOUT.

HE POSTED ON X IN HEBREW GIVING FULLBACKING TO THE BORDER GUARD FIGHTERS AND IDF SOLDIERS FIRING AT WANTED TERRORISTS EMERGING FROM A BUILDING.

THE FIGHTERS S ACTED EXACTLY A EXPECTED OF THEM.

TERRORISTS MUST DIE.

THE STATE IS BACKING THIS AND THIS IS STILL UNDER INVESTIGATION AND WE CAN'T MAKE A CONCLUSION.

THE IDF SAID THAT IT IS INVESTIGATING IT.

YOU SAY THE TYPES OF THINGS MUST STOP.

WHEN A MINISTER-POSTS THIS AND GIVES FULLBACKING, WHAT DOES IT TELL YOU ABOUT THE GENERAL LAY OF THE LAND?

>> THE MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY, AS YOU KNOW VERY WELL, I AM SURE CHRISTIANE, WAS CONVICTED IN COURT SEVERAL TIMES OF BEING INVOLVED IN TERROR, JEWISH TERROR AGAINST PALESTINIANS.

HE IS THE LAST PERSON ON EARTH TO TESTIFY OR THAT CAN OBSERVE THE ATROCITIES THAT ARE COMMITTED BY JEWS IN THE TERRITORY.

I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE SPECIFICS OF THE EVENT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

I HOPE THE SUSPICIONS ARE NOT VARIED.

I KNOW OF OTHER EVENTS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE ON A DAILY BASIS.

EVERY TIME THE YOUTHS BURNING AND PENETRATING INTO THE PRIVATE HOMES OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE NOT INVOLVED IN ANYTHING AND CALL FOR THE KILLING OF THEM.

THERE IS NOT ANY REACTION BY THE POLICE.

THE MEASURES ARE NOT TAKEN BY THE ARMY.

IT IS SHAMEFUL.

AS AN ISRAELI AND A JEW, AND I KNOW WHAT I SAY IS SOMETHING MANY ISRAELIS DON'T LIKE TO HEAR AND CRITICIZE ME AND YELL AT ME.

THEY SAY WHY DO YOU SAY THAT.

I WOULD RATHER SPEAK UP SO THAT EVERYONE IN THE WORLD, EVERYONE THAT WATCHES US NOW AND EVERYONE THAT WILL WATCH YOU ANOTHER TIME WILL KNOW THERE ARE MILLIONS OF ISRAELIS WHO ARE UNHAPPY WITH THIS AND AGAINST THIS AND AGAINST THIS GOVERNMENT WHERE PEOPLE LIKE THAT CAN BE MINISTERS OF NATIONAL SECURITY PERPETRATING OR SUPPORTING THE PERPETRATION OF THINGS WHICH ARE TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE AND UNBEARABLE.

WE WILL SPEAK UP SO THAT IT WILL STOP.

>> WHAT IS THE MISSION OF THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT?

WHY DOESN'T IT STOP IT?

I WILL ASK YOU THAT QUESTION FIRST.

>> I HAVE TO SAY I WOULD NOT ACCUSE PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHOO FOR ONE THING THAT WILL HAPPEN.

I ACCUSE HIM FOR NOT TAKING THE NECESSARY MEASURES TO STOP IT KNOWING THAT IT HAPPENS.

THOSE THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT AND THE MINISTERS AND THEIR SUPPORT AND THE GROUPS IN THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT.

I KNOW WHAT THEY WANT.

THEY HOPE WE WILL BE ABLE TO SOMEHOW FORCE OUT THE PALESTINIANS FROM THE WEST BANK AND FORCE THE PALESTINIANS OUT FROM GAZA AND TAKE OVER THE TERRITORY AND INTEGRATE THEM INTO THE STATE OF ISRAEL AND PREPARE THEM FOR RESETTLEMENTS OF ISRAELIS AND JEWS ALL OVER.

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE.

THE MAJORITY OF THE ISRAELI PEOPLE ARE AGAINST IT AND ARE FIGHTING DAY AND NIGHT IN ISRAEL WRITING AND DEMONSTRATING AGAINST THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT FOR SUPPORTING OR IGNORING OR OVERLOOKING THE EVENTS AND NOT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE MASSIVE DOWNFALL OF THE SECTION OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL AS A HUMANISTIC COUNTRY AGAINST EVERYTHING WE WERE PERCEIVED TO BE IN THE PAST.

>> I HEAR YOUR ANGER AND YOU WANT TO STAND UP AND BE COUNTED.

IT IS VERY INTERESTING TO HEAR FROM YOU.

YOU DID NOT BELIEVE ISRAEL WOULD BE TAKEN TO THE HAGUE FOR GAZA AND DON'T GO THERE ON THE GENOCIDE ISSUE, BUT YOU DO BELIEVE THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS CONDONED OR ENABLED WAR CRIMES IN GAZA.

I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE NEXT PHASE IN GAZA.

DO YOU THINK THERE IS A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO MOVE ON TO THE SECOND PHASE OF WHAT WAS, YOU KNOW, DELINIATED IN THE 20-POINT PLAN.

THE FIRST PHASE, THE CEASE-FIRE AND THE EXCHANGE OF HOSTAGES AND PRISONERS AND BODIES IS ABOUT TO BE OVER.

WE HEAR FROM CAIRO ABOUT WHAT IS NEXT AND THAT THEY COMPLETELY STALLED.

HAMAS WILL NOT DEMILITARIZE AND ISRAEL WON'T WITHDRAW ACCORDING TO THE PLAN.

WHAT IS THE HOPE FOR GAZA?

>> ISRAEL IS NOT GOING TO PULL OUT FROM GAZA IF HAMAS WILL NOT BE DISARMED AND HAMAS WILL NOT BE DISARMED IF ISRAEL DOES NOT PULL OUT FROM GAZA.

IN THIS INSTANCE AND ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE READY TO MOVE ON FORWARD IN THE DIRECTION OF WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS ARTICULATED IN THE 20-POINT PLAN.

THE ONLY POSSIBLE SOLUTION IS THE ENFORCEMENT BY PRESIDENT TRUMP.

YOU KNOW, I AM NOT CERTAIN THAT I KNOW WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS GOT IN MIND.

I DO NOT KNOW HIM.

I NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO SHARE WITH HIM MY THOUGHTS AND TO TALK TO HIM.

I TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE YOU ARE WATCHED WIDELY EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD.

THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT MAY BE MISSED.

AT THIS POINT IN LIFE TRUMP IS THE ONLY PERSON ON EARTH TO MAKE A CHANGE FOR TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE AND WILL DO SOMETHING DRAMATIC NO PRESIDENT EVER HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO.

HE HAS THE POWER.

HE CAN FORCE THE ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER TO DO THAT WHICH HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO.

HE CAN FORCE HIM TO CARRY ON THE 20 POINTS AND HE HAS GOT THE POWER TO USE THE MOTIVATORS TO FORCE HAMAS TO DISARM WHICH IS ESSENTIAL.

THEN HE HAS THE POWER TO FORCE THE TWO SIDES, THE PALESTINIAN SIDE AND THE ISRAELI SIDE TO START A DIALOGUE FOR A TWO-STATE SOLUTION.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH PRIME MINISTER.

WE STILL HOPE TO GET THE MEMBERS OF THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT ON THE PROGRAM TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES.

WELL, A SIGN THAT THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT IS NOT REALLY READY FOR A PROPER PEACE PLAN AND THAT IT IS AS FAR AWAY AS EVER.

THE ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHOO BOYCOTTED A VOTE ENDORSING PRESIDENT TRUMP'S 20-POINT PLAN FOR GAZA.

NETANYAHOO'S FAR RIGHT ALLIES REJECT ANY MENTION OF A TWO-STATE SOLUTION.

THE OPPOSITION LEADER SAID HE WAS DISAPPOINTED ABOUT THE NO-SHOW AS IT WAS A CHANCE FOR UNITING ON THE COMMON GOAL.

NEXT, CONGRESS WILL MEET NEXT WEEK TO DECIDE ON OBAMACARE.

WITHOUT IT TENS OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS COULD SEE PREMIUMS INCREASING BY AN AVERAGE OF 114%.

BILL CASSIDY WAS A DOCTOR WHO BELIEVES HE MIGHT HAVE A SOLUTION AND ADDRESSES CONTROVERSIAL MEDICAL MOVES BY RFK JR.

>> THANK YOU.

SENATOR BILL CASSIDY, WELCOME BACK TO THE SHOW.

>> VERY NICE TO BE WITH YOU.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME WALTER.

>> YOU WERE A DOCTOR.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU DID AS A DOCTOR IS THAT YOU HAD A CAREER IN PUBLIC HOSPITALS WHERE YOU WERE SERVING PATIENTS AND WERE NOT INSURED AND YOU WERE POOR.

TELL ME WHAT DREW YOU TO THAT.

>> I DID MY RESIDENCY AND FELLOWSHIP AT LOS ANGELES COUNTY HOSPITAL.

AT THE TIME THE LARGEST IN THE UNITED STATES.

I REALLY ENJOYED THE PATIENT POPULATION.

I ENJOYED TEACHING.

I ENJOYED TO BE INVOLVED WITH THE RESEARCH THING.

I CAME BACK TO LOUISIANA WITH MY WIFE.

AT THE TIME SHE WAS PRACTICING IN TRAUMA SURGERY AND WE BOTH STARTED IN LSU.

I WORKED IN A PUBLIC HOSPITAL IN BATON ROUGE TAKING CARE OF THE UNINSURED AND POORLY INSURED, TEACHING MEDICAL STUDENTS AND DOING CLINICAL RESEARCH.

>> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE UNINSURED WE ARE HAVING A BIG ISSUE NOW.

HOW DOES IT INFORM THE FACT THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE EXTENSIONS OF SOME SORT FOR HEALTH CARE BENEFITS WE ARE FACING TO VOTE ON SOON.

>> MY LIFE IS DEDICATED TO MAKING SURE ALL-AMERICANS HAVE ACCESS TO ADEQUATE HEALTH CARE AND SOMETIMES THAT PUTS ME AT ODDS WITH PEOPLE THINKING BECAUSE YOU MAKE INSURANCE CHEAPER IT ACTUALLY WORKS FOR THE PATIENT.

IF SOMEBODY HAS GOT A $6,000 DEDUCTIBLE IT WOULD BE LIKE THEY DO NOT HAVE INSURANCE AT ALL.

THE PREMIUM MAY BE CHEAPER.

IF THEY GET IN A CAR WRECK THEY ARE PROTECTED FROM FINANCIAL RUIN, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE $5,000 TO PAY FOR HEALTH CARE.

THEY WOULD TELL ME, DOC, I CAN'T AFFORD THAT.

I HAVE A DEDUCTIBLE.

>> TELL ME HOW THAT WOULD PUT MONEY TO HELP PEOPLE PAY DEDUCTIBLES.

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE INCLUDING THE KAISER FAMILY FOUNDATION SAY IT COULD HURT PEOPLE.

>> KAISER FAMILY FOUNDATION IS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE DETAILS OF MY PLAN.

I KNOW THAT FROM MY COMMENTS.

WE ARE SPEAKING ABOUT THE PATIENTS OR THE PEOPLE OR OUR FELLOW AMERICANS THAT ARE ON THE OBAMACARE EXCHANGES.

IT IS ABOUT 6% OF THE POPULATION.

THERE HAS BEEN A RAPID INCREASE IN THE COST OF HEALTH CARE AND OF THE HEALTH CARE AND HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS.

A RAPID INCREASE.

THE ORIGINAL OBAMACARE HAD A TAX CREDIT HELPING EVERYBODY BELOW 400% OF POVERTY.

COSTS ARE EXPLODING SO MUCH UNDER THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION THEY ADDED SOMETHING CALLED THE ENHANCED PREMIUM TAX CREDIT BENEFITTING THOSE OVER 400% OF FEDERAL POVERTY.

THAT IS THE CONTEXT.

I AM SORRY FOR THE DETAIL.

KAISER FAMILY FOUNDATION THOUGHT I WAS SPEAKING OF THE ADVANCED PREMIUM, THE BASELINE TAX CREDITS AND THE ENHANCED.

I AM NOT.

I AM ONLY SPEAKING ABOUT THE ENHANCED PREMIUM TAX CREDITS.

WHAT IF WE DID THIS.

INSTEAD OF 100% OF IT TO INSURANCE COMPANIES AND TAKE 20% OF WHAT WE GET THEM AS OVERHEAD AND PROFIT.

20% OF THE $26 BILLION WE WOULD SPEND GIVEN TO INSURANCE COMPANIES, 20% OF THAT IS USED FOR OVERHEAD AND PROFIT.

WHAT INSTEAD, IF WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO TAKE THE SAME MONEY AND MAKE SURE NOBODY SPENDS MORE THAN 8.5 OR 9% ON HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS THAT ONLY AFFECTS CERTAIN OLDER PEOPLE, BASICALLY.

50s AND THE 60s.

IT ONLY AFFECTS THEM.

WE ARE GOING TO GIVE 100% OF THE MONEY TO THE PATIENTS IN THE FORM OF A HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT.

THE PATIENT WOULD CHOOSE A LOWER PREMIUM AS A CHEAPER POLICY.

THEY ARE SPENDING LESS ON PREMIUMS THAN THEY WOULD UNDER THE TYPICAL UPON OBAMACARE POLICY.

BUT THEY ARE ALSO GETTING MONEY INTO A HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT FOR FIRST DOLLAR COVERAGE OF THEIR DEDUCTIBLE.

THEIR DEDUCTIBLE ON NET COULD BE LOWER THAN THE POLICY THEY ARE CURRENTLY GETTING, AND NOT ONLY THAT THEY HAVE FIRST DOLLAR COVERAGE.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

PRACTICALLY MY DAUGHTER SPRAINED HER ANKLE.

I BRING HER TO THE URGENT CARE CENTER.

INSTEAD OF A $5,000 DEDUCTIBLE AND I HAVE TO SPEND $5,000 BEFORE INSURANCE PAYS, THEY HAVE $2,000 IN THE HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT AND THEY PAY FOR THE VISIT OUT OF THE $2,000 AND NOT OUT OF THEIR POCKET.

THAT IS A SWEET SPOT.

CHEAPER PREMIUMS, LOWER DEDUCTIBLES AND FIRST DOLLAR COVERAGE.

THAT IS THE PLAN I AM PROPOSING, WALTER.

>> IT TAKES ALL OF THE MONEY IN OBAMACARE AND SORT OF JUST TRANSFERS IT THIS WAY SO THEY ARE IN HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNTS, RIGHT?

>> BASICALLY.

THERE ARE OTHER THINGS YOU CAN DO WITH IT.

ONE THOUGHT I HAD IS WHAT IF WE SET UP A REINSURANCE FUND FOR MATERNITY.

WHAT CAN SOMETIMES HAPPEN IF A COUPLE HAS A HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT WITH A COUPLE THOUSAND.

AND THE WOMAN HAS GOT A PROBLEM PREGNANCY.

THEY USE ALL OF THE HSA.

THEY BLOW THROUGH THE DEDUCTIBLE AND IT IS SO EXPENSIVE THAT IT INCREASES THE RATES FOR EVERYBODY.

IF WE DID A REINSURANCE FOR THAT, IT IS PRO-FAMILY.

IT IS PRO-EVERYBODY.

NOT ONLY IS SHE CARED FOR FINANCIALLY AND PHYSICALLY, ABOUT YOU IT KEEPS PREMIUMS DOWN FOR EVERYBODY.

YOU MAY TAKE A PORTION AND SET UP A PROGRAM LIKE THAT.

>> IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS AS MUCH MONEY YOU WOULD HAVE TROUBLE GETTING YOUR FELLOW REPUBLICANS ON BOARD.

IN THE SENATE AND IN THE HOUSE, ARE THEY SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONTINUED SPENDING?

>> YOU CAN ACTUALLY SAVE SOME MONEY.

DID I MENTION, INSTEAD OF GIVING 100% TO INSURANCE COMPANIES AND TAKE 20% FROM PROFIT AND OVERHEAD, 100% AND PUT OVER HERE.

YOU ARE STILL SAVING 20%.

THERE IS STILL OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE IT LESS EXPENSIVE FOR THE TAXPAYER.

NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, THIS FITS EXACTLY WHERE PRESIDENT TRUMP IS, EXACTLY WHERE.

HE HAS SAID, AND I AM QUOTING, DO NOT GIVE MONEY TO THE MONEY SUCKING BLOOD SUCKING INSURANCE COMPANIES, GIVE IT TO THE PATIENT.

MIKE JOHNSON, I THINK, WOULD BE SENSITIVE TO WHAT THE PRESIDENT WAS INTERESTED IN.

IF WE COME UP WITH A POLICY THAT WORKS FOR REPUBLICANS AND WORKS FOR DEMOCRATS AND PRESIDENT TRUMP EMBRACES I THINK WE GET A VOTE IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

>> HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE WHITE HOUSE ON THIS?

>> WE HAVE SPOKEN TO THE WHITE HOUSE.

THEY HEARD MY IDEAS AND INCORPORATED SOME OF THEM.

I CONTINUE TO SPEAK WITH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE.

>> HOW MANY DEMOCRATS HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO AND HOW MANY DO YOU THINK MIGHT COME ALONG WITH YOU?

>> PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE.

OF COURSE I AM SPEAKING TODAY, WE ARE RECORDING THIS, AND LATER TODAY I WILL BE SPEAKING TO ALL OF MY REPUBLICAN SENATORS.

I WILL BE SPEAKING LATER THIS WEEK TO DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN HOUSE MEMBERS.

WE CONTINUE TO WORK IT.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON.

I NEED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO KNOW THIS IS NOT A REPUBLICAN PLAN.

THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRATIC PLAN.

THIS IS AN AMERICAN PLAN.

IT GIVES POWER TO THE PATIENT AND NOT PROFIT TO THE INSURANCE COMPANY.

>> IF THIS DOES NOT COME TO PASS, THERE IS GOING TO BE AN UP AND DOWN VOTE THAT SENATOR JOHN THUNE SAID HE WOULD HAVE IN THE SENATE ON EXTENDING THE OBAMACARE AND THE BIDEN ENHANCED SUBSIDIES.

IF YOUR PLAN DOES NOT GO THROUGH WOULD YOU VOTE FOR THAT?

>> NO.

WHY?

IT STILL LEAVES THE PATIENT WITH A $6,000 DEDUCTIBLE.

IT IS MORE ABOUT PROFIT FOR THE INSURANCE COMPANY THAN IT IS ABOUT POWER TO THE PATIENT.

THE ABILITY TO GIVE THE PATIENT THE ABILITY TO AFFORD THE HEALTH CARE THEY NEED.

IF I GET IN A CAR WRECK, THAT IS IMPORTANT, BUT WHAT ABOUT YOUR DAUGHTER'S SPRAINED ANKLE.

I AM WORKING NOT TO HAVE AN UP AND DOWN PLAN ON A REPUBLICAN PLAN AND FAIL AND RATHER WE HAVE AN AMERICAN PLAN THAT WE CAN ALL VOTE FOR AND PASS AND TURN IN TO LAW.

BY THE WAY, YOU RARELY LOSE MONEY BETTING AGAINST THE ABILITY OF CONGRESS TO GET SOMETHING DONE.

THIS IS SO IMPORTANT THAT I AM HOPING THAT IF PEOPLE CAN PUT ASIDE THE I AM NOT GOING TO WORK WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP BECAUSE IT IS PRESIDENT TRUMP OR WHATEVER AND SAY WAIT A SECOND.

IT BALANCES THE LOWER PREMIUMS, FIRST DOLLAR COVERAGE, LOWER DEDUCTIBLES.

THIS IS THE WAY THAT WE SHOULD GO.

>> WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO OUR STATE IN LOUISIANA, PEOPLE THERE, IF NONE OF IT PASSES AND THE EXTENSION DOESN'T PASS?

>> THERE WILL BE A SUBSET OF PEOPLE IN LOUISIANA AND ACROSS THE NATION NOT DOING AS WELL.

THAT IS WHY I AM SO COMMITTED TO MAKING IT WORK.

MY EXPERIENCE PRACTICING IN LOUISIANA, AND I CAN SAY IN CALIFORNIA BECAUSE I DID LONG AGO, IS WHEN YOU GET SOMEONE WHO HAS A DEDUCTIBLE OF $6,000, THAT POLICY DOES NOT WORK FOR THEM.

MOST PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE $6,000 IN THE BACK POCKET TO PAY FOR THE DEDUCTIBLE.

IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A POLICY LOWERING THE PREMIUM, LOWERS THE DEDUCTIBLE AND GIVES THEM FIRST DOLLAR COVERAGE TO PAY FOR THE SPRAINED ANKLE THAT THEIR CHILD HAS, THAT DOES WORK FOR THEM.

AND I SAY AGAIN, THAT IS AN AMERICAN PLAN GETTING POWER TO THE PATIENT AND NOT PROFIT TO THE INSURANCE COMPANY.

>> WHEN YOU WERE HERE IN LOUISIANA AND WHEN YOU WERE PRACTICING YOU ENDED UP DEVELOPING A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP TO VACCINATE 36,000 CHILDREN AGAINST HEPATITIS B. NO COST TO THE PARENTS.

I THINK THE CDC ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THE VACCINE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS EXPECTED TO VOTE ON WHETHER TO UNDO ALL OF THAT.

WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF THAT HAPPENS, AND HOW CAN YOU MAKE SURE THAT THE SECRETARY ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.

DOES NOT PUSH THAT THROUGH?

>> THE RULE VOTE WILL BE ON WHETHER TO RECOMMEND A BIRTH DOSE OF HEPATITIS B. I AM STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF THAT.

IT IS NOT A MANDATE.

IT IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE MOTHER THAT THE CHILD BE VACCINATED ON BIRTH.

FOLKS SAY WHY.

WHY WOULD YOU GIVE A VACCINE TO A CHILD FOR A SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE?

WHY?

WHEN A CHILD PASSES THROUGH THE BIRTH CANAL IT IS EXPOSED TO THE SAME SECRETIONS AS IF APPROXIMATE IT WAS INTERCOURSE.

IF THE MOTHER IS HEPATITIS B POSITIVE, THE CHILD IF INFECTED THROUGH THE SECRETIONS HAS A 95% CHANCE OF BECOMING PERMANENTLY INFECTED WITH HEPATITIS B. INSTEAD IF YOU GIVE THE CHILD A BIRTH DOSE OF HEPATITIS B VACCINE, THE CHILD HAS A 95% CHANCE OF NOT BECOMING INFECTED.

THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN ACQUIRING HEPATITIS B AT BIRTH OR AFTER BIRTH DECREASED FROM 20,000 A YEAR TO 200 A YEAR.

FOLKS SAY WAIT A SECOND.

WE SHOULD KNOW THE MOTHER'S HEPATITIS B STATUS, BUT SOMETIMES IT IS JUST MISSED.

IT IS NOT THERE.

THE MOM IS OUT OF TOWN.

GOES TO A DIFFERENT HOSPITAL.

THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE RECORDS OR SHE SHOWS UP AND HASN'T HAD PRENATAL CARE.

THAT HAPPENS IN A COUNTRY AS BIG AS OURS.

THIS IS A WAY, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THE CHILD IS BORN THAT THE CHILD, IF EXPOSED TO HEPATITIS B IS NOT CHRONICALLY INFECTED.

>> WHEN YOU VOTED TO CONFIRM ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR., AND RATHER RELUCTANTLY.

YOU EXTRACTED A FEW PROMISES INCLUDING THE FACT THEY WOULD KEEP A RECOMMENDATION ON THE CDC WEBSITE SAYING THAT VACCINES DO NOT CAUSE AUTISM.

>> IF CONFIRMED HE WILL MAINTAIN THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON IMMUNIZATION PRACTICES AND RECOMMENDATIONS WITHOUT CHANGES.

CDC WILL NOT REMOVE STATEMENTS ON THE WEBSITE.

POINTING OUT VACCINES DO NOT CAUSE AUTISM.

>> HE BACKTRACKED ON THAT.

HOW YOU CAN HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE?

>> AS A PHYSICIAN I KNOW THIS IS WRONG.

IF YOU ARE SUING DRUG COMPANIES, I CAN SEE WHY YOU WANT IT OUT THERE.

IF YOU ARE TRYING TO REASSURE A MOTHER WHOSE CHILD AS AUTISM AND NOW MAY BLAME HERSELF BECAUSE HER CHILD WAS VACCINATED.

WHY PUT THE GUILT TRIP ON A MOM WHEN THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT?

IT ALSO DISTRACTS ATTENTION FROM GOING AFTER REAL CAUSES.

IT APPEARS TO BE A COMPLEX MIXTURE OF A CHILD'S GENETIC PREDISPOSITION, THE AGE OF THE PARENTS, ENVIRONMENTAL STRESSORS.

ALL OF THAT IS A COMPLEX MIXTURE.

TO DISTRACT ON THE FALSITY, THE FALSEHOOD THAT IMMUNIZATIONS HAVE A ROLE OR EVEN TO IMPLY IS A TERRIBLE INJUSTICE.

THAT SET ONLY PARENTS THAT I KNOW READING CDC WEBSITES ON IMMUNIZATIONS ARE PROBABLY PEDIATRICIANS THAT ALSO ARE MOMS.

IT IS NOT COMMONLY READ.

I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE MOMS AND DADS TO TALK TO THE CHILD'S PEDIATRICIAN AND HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS LEARNED AND HAS GONE TO MEDICAL SCHOOL TO REVIEW IT WITH YOU.

THE RISK OF AUTISM IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

>> IF IT IS ON THE CDC WEBSITE, IT DOES HAVE AN IMPACT.

>> I AM NOT DENYING THAT.

>> HAVE YOU TALKED TO SECRETARY KENNEDY?

>> WE HAVE SPOKEN IN A STRENUOUS.

I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

NOW I HAVE TO GO TO THE NEXT FUNCTION.

>> ALL RIGHT.

LET ME ASK YOU ONE MORE GENERAL QUESTION.

YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REACH ACROSS THE AISLE, SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS AND TIM KAINE AND ANOTHER ON VACCINES.

DO YOU THINK THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO RESTORE THE ABILITY TO WORK ACROSS THE AISLES, ESPECIALLY ON THE HEALTH CARE ISSUES?

>> YES.

I WOULD NOT WORK AT THIS IF I DID NOT THINK IT WAS POSSIBLE.

THIS WOULDN'T PASS WITHOUT REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS VOTING FOR IT.

PUT ASIDE YOUR PREJUDICE.

THINK ABOUT THAT COUPLE.

THEY ARE ACTUALLY STRUGGLING TO MAKE THEIR ENDS MEET AND THEY NEED THAT HEALTH INSURANCE AND HEALTH CARE.

THEY CAN'T HANDLE A 6,000 DEDUCTIBLE.

IF WE DO BETTER FOR THAT FAMILY, WHY DON'T WE DO IT.

I SAY THAT MORE AS A DOCTOR AND MORE AS AN AMERICAN.

AMERICANS FIRST.

>> SENATOR BILL CASSIDY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU WALTER.

>> FINALLY, EFFORTS TO END THE RUSSIAN WAR ON UKRAINE STALL, LET'S RECALL THE BIGGEST ACT OF PEACE IN 100 YEARS.

36 YEARS AGO TODAY THE PRESIDENTS OF THE UNITED STATES, GEORGE H.W.

BUSH AND AND MIKHAI GORBACHEV ANNOUNCED TO SET THE STAGE FOR A NEW FUTURE WITH BUSH CONFIDENTLY SAYING WE CAN REALIZATION A LASTING PEACE AND TRANSFORM THE EAST-WEST RELATIONSHIP TO ONE OF ENDURING COOPERATION.

MUCH LATER I SPOKE TO GORBACHEV ABOUT THE CRITICAL PART HE PLAYED.

TO MANY AROUND THE WORLD YOU ARE A HERO, ONCE IN A GENERATION ACTOR WHO ENDED THE COLD WAR.

HOW WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR PEOPLE TO REMEMBER YOU?

IN.

>> HISTORY IS A FICKLE LADY.

YOU CAN EXPECT SURPRISES FROM HISTORY.

I DO KNOW I DID WHAT I DID, AND THAT I CAN BE PROUD.

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