Donnybrook
November 9, 2023
Season 2023 Episode 65 | 27m 47sVideo has Closed Captions
Charlie Brennan debates with Wendy Wiese, Bill McClellan, Alvin Reid, and Ray Hartmann.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorship>> "DONNYBROOK" IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORT O THOMAS PATTERSON FOUNDATION AND MEMBERS OF NINE PBS.
>> VOTERS IN THE COUNTY DECIDE NOT TO JOIN THE CITY OF MANCHESTER.
DISCUSS ON THIS EDITION OF "DONNYBROOK".
US.
FROM THE BIG 550 KTRS WENDY WIESE.
FROM THE ST. L BILL MCCLELLAN AND RAY HARTMANN, AND FROM THE ST. LOUIS AMERICAN ALVIN REID.
WENDY WIESE, I WAS PRETTY SURPRISED WHEN 80% OF THOSE WHO VOTED IN ST. LOUIS COUNTY DECIDED NOT TO JOIN THE LOVELY CITY OF MANCHESTER, MISSOURI.
IT WAS AN ANNEXATION PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF VOTERS THIS TUESDAY.
PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY DID NOT WANT TO BECOME PART OF THAT SUBURB.
THAT SO MUCH AS OUR BUILT-IN BUILT-INVERSION TO CHANGE.
THAT'S MY HUSBAND AND I HAD OUR DAUGHTERS IN MANCHESTER.
WE LIVED THERE FOR 6 Y WE LOVED IT.
THE POLICE PROTECTION WAS GREA THIS IS SIMPLY PEOPLE WHO -- EVERYBODY IS KIND OF -- SAM PAGE'S OFFICE SEEMS TO BE TAKING CREDIT FOR IT.
I THINK THAT, A VERSION TO CHANGE.
>> THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER WORD THAN ANNEXATION OUT THERE.
IT ALWAYS SOUNDS THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT LEA WORLD WAR.
>> RUSSIA, CRIMEA.
>> I DON'T WANT TO BE ANNEXED AND YOU CAN PRESENT A VI ARGUMENT AS TO WHY THIS IS A GOOD IDEA, AND THEY WOULD STIL SAY NO, I JUST DON'T WANT TO B ANNEXED.
TECHNICALLY KIRK WOOD.
BU LOUIS COUNTY.
IT JUST MADE SENSE.
BUT THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT DID NOT WANT TO BE ANNEXED.
>> IT'S KIND OF AN ENDEARING QUALITY ABOUT PEOPLE HERE.
THEY SAY I DIDN'T BUY A HOUSE IN MANCHESTER.
COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IT SPEAKS WELL TO SAY I WOULD RATHER STAY AT THE COUNTY PLACE.
>> THE PEOPLE OF THE MANCHESTER RESIDENTS, THEY WANTED THEM DESPERATELY.
REVENUE.
>> I THINK MANCHESTER WAS SELLING ITSELF SAYING GOVERNMENT, YOUR LIFE WOULD BE BETTER.
I DON'T THINK THEY THINK SMALL TOWN IS GOING TO PROVIDE ALL SORTS OF BETTER THINGS.
>> IF I LIVED THERE, I WOULD HAVE VOTED TO ENTER MANCHESTER.
I WOULD HAVE.
BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THOSE WHERE I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THE VOTE WAS THE WAY IT WAS.
>> YEP.
JOB OF EXPLAINING WHY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD IDEA.
BUT IT W IDEA.
OF MANCHESTER DIDN'T JUST LIKE THOSE PEOPLE?
>> MUNICIPALITIES.
I THINK WHEN YOU STACK IT AGAINST THE 1,000 OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AROUND THERE.
THERE MIGHT BE A B RIVALRY OR SOMEBODY IS ON THE CITY COUNCIL THAT DOESN'T LIKE SOMETHING.
>> I AM SUSPICIOUS.
IF I WAS THERE, WHY DID THOSE PEOPLE WANT US SO BADLY?
>> CHARLIE JUST GAVE YOU RE ASONS.
&g THIS WEEK ON A SAD SUBJECT.
WE LOST A TERRIFIC BROADCASTER DONN JOHNSON WHO WORKED FOR WAIL, AND MANY YEARS WITH FOX, TOO, AND WITH THE MISSOURI HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
PASSED AWAY THIS W OF 76.
I HOPE FOLKS SEE YOUR COLUMN ON HIM.
>> I DIDN'T KNOW HIM.
HE'S WITHIN OF THE PEOPL MEDIA YOU KNOW FOR A LON NOT REALLY THAT WELL PERSONALLY, BUT A GUY ALWAYS HAD A SMILE ON HIS FACE.
WHEN I LOOKED HIM UP, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT HE WAS -- NOT DISPARAGING PEOPLE WHO READ NEWS ON TV, BUT H AS A REPORTER, AS A JOURNALIST, PARTICULARLY COVERING COVERING FROM '78 TO '83.
GREAT LEGACY, GREAT GUY.
HE WILL >> WHICH SCHOOL, WEB GREW UP HERE, WORKED HERE, KNEW THE CITY, WHICH OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW N COVER THE NEWS.
BUT AN ABS WILL BE MISSED.
>> HIS DAD WAS A J RECALL.
DONN JOHNSON.
I WAS FORTUNATE TO WORK WITH HIM FOR SEVERAL YEARS AT KTRS WITH DAN DIERDORF.
HE WAS ONE OF TH OBVIOUSLY A FABULOUS JOURNAL.
HE WAS SKILLED AT HUMAN NATURE AND INTERVIEWING PEOPLE AND GETTING REFRESHING -- ONE OF MY MOST PRONOUNCED MEMORIES WAS HE CAME INTO THE STUDIO ONE MORNING, TOTALLY PERPLEXED AND HE SAID I SAW THE BEST SHOW.
IT'S REALLY, HAVE A FEELING IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG HIT.
HE COULDN' ABOUT THIS SHOW.
HE SAID IT'S CALLED SOPRANOS.
YOU CAN'T TELL IF THE MOTHER I A GOOD GIRL OR BAD GIRL.
HIS WIFER LIE WIFE AND DAUGHTER.
>> BILL, WE ALSO LOST STALL WEATHERER FROM THE POLICE COMMUNIT DETECTIVE AND HE WAS AN ASSI DEPARTMENT, ACTUALLY RAN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND HE WROTE A WEEKLY COLUMN IN THE POST DISPATCH AND WAS A COLUMNIST ON THE BEACON.
WELL KNOWN IN THE COMMUNITY.
A SENSE OF HUMOR AND GOOD WRITER.
IS SUES.
ON IT, BUT HE WROTE IT IN A WAY THAT WAS VERY "LAW AND ORDER"RISH, AND LIKE THE TV PROGRAM, AND THAT HELPED ME UNDERSTAND MAYBE WHERE THE POLI COMING THROUGH ON THIS.
HE HAD A GOOD KNACK FOR THAT.
I ALWAYS READ HIS COLUMN.
I ALWAYS READ HIS COLUMN.
>> WELL PUT.
>> Y I DID.
BUT HE WAS THAT AFTER HE RETIRED, HE STILL BEING BROUGHT IN TO BIG CASES.
BECAUSE OF HIS EXPERTISE EVEN AFTER HE RETIRED.
HE WAS QUITE A GUY.
>> HE WAS NOT WITH US ON NEXT UP BUT DONN JOHNSON WAS, AND BEFORE THE NIGHT IS OVER WE WILL PLAY A SMALL CLIP FROM DONN JOHNSON JANUARY OF THIS YEAR WHEN HE WAS ON NINE PBS.
WHEN DO YOU THE ALMA MATER.
RIVERFRONT TIMES HAD THE STORY SO DID THE BUSINESS JOURNAL AND POST DISPATCH THAT THE SCHOOL IS RUNNING A $5 BILLION D 650 UNDERGRADS AT THE SCHOOL RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS WAY DOWN.
AT THE END OF THE EXPERT SAID WELL, THEY SHOULD TELL THE STUDENTS THEY SHOULD FIND THEIR >> I THINK IT WAS GARY STALKER FROM THE COLLEGE V WHATEVER THAT IS.
WORE MY PURPLE, BECAUSE THAT'S SCHOOL COLORS.
IT BREAKS MY I'M NOT SURPRISED, GET TO BE THIS AGE AND SEE EVERYTHING CHANGING AROUND YOU.
WHAT IS REALLY ALARMING, BECAUSE I THINK ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN, AND I CERTAINLY THINK IT CAN WEATHER THIS STORM ON BEHALF OF THE SISTERS; THE MOTHER HOUSE ON MINNESOTA.
AND THE WORK THAT THEY AND WOMEN AND MEN AND WOMEN THAT THEY HAVE EDUCATED FOR CENTURIES.
ABOUT DOING AWAY WITH THE DEAF EDUCATION PROGRAM, THAT'S WHAT DREW PEOPLE WORLD.
I THINK A SMALL LIBERAL ARTS UNIVERSITY IS GOING TO HAVE CHALLENGES WHEN YOU ARE ABOUT ANNUAL TUI NEIGHBORHOOD OF $26,000.
CA LL ON THE FONBON AND I'M NOT EXAGGERATING.
AROUND A LONG TIME.
IF YOU ARE TALKING ABO SCHOOL THAT NICE, FACED WITH CLOSING THE S SAVE THE UNIVERSITY, AND MOST WENT TO BIG GIGANTIC UNIVERSITIES AND STILL GIVE THEM MONEY.
DON'T NEED MY MONEY, BUT I WILL BE HAPPY TO GIVE IT TO THEM.
>> I THINK THE FUTURE DOES NOT LOOK BRIGHT FOR A SMALL LIBERAL ARTS SCHOOL, LAND LOCKED LIKE IT IS, AND MAYBE IF IT WAS IN GALESBURG, ILLINOIS, LIKE KNOX COLLEGE OR S ATTRACT CERTAIN PEOPLE, BUT IN THE CITY.
>> I LIKE ALVIN CALLING WE NDY.
>> ST. LOUIS REP IS IN DANGER OF GOING OUT OF BUSINESS.
WEBSTER UNIVERSITY IS HAVING TROUBLES RIGHT N IS THERE SOMETHING THAT ST. LOUIS DOESN'T HAV FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES AND REALLY THE POPULATION?
IN 1980 WE WERE THE 12th LARGEST SMSA IN THE COUNTRY AND NOW WE ARE 25.
>> IT ISN'T THAT.
WHEN YOU ARE TALKI KINDS OF CONCERNS, AND LET'S HOPE IT CAN MAKE IT.
IN EACH CASE, IT'S GOING TO BE THE INDUSTRY IN THE PROFESSION HOW THEY INTERFACE WITH THE DIGITAL AGE.
ST. LOUIS, F OF GROWTH, IS NOT A DYING MARKET.
IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT.
IT'S ABOUT T IT'S NOT ABOUT GEE, IF WE HAD A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND MORE PEOPLE, IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE PROBLEMS THAT SMALL COLLEGES MIGHT HAVE, BUT THAT'S GENERIC >> I THINK THEY ARE A FEEDER SCHOOL.
OF THAT FEEDER SYS HAVE 6, 7, 8 KIDS, MAYBE NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT MANY OF THEM, AND NOW THOSE FAMILIES ARE HAVING 1, 2 KIDS.
THAT DEFINITELY HAS AN I >> MOST OF THE KIDS DOMINICAN UNIVERSITY IN CHICAGO WERE NOT CATHOLIC.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT POPULATION IS LIKE.
>> THEY US INDONESIAN STUDENTS AND SAUDI STUDENTS.
FOREIGN STUDENTS DECIDED NOT TO COME HERE.
FOR BETTER OR WO DIDN'T ENCOURAGE A LOT OF STUDENTS TO COME HERE EITHER.
BILL MCCLELLAN I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT, I THINK, IT'S A GROUP OF FOUR RETAILERS HAVE BANDED TOGETHER IN A LAWSUIT AND SUING ST. LOUIS COUNTY BECAUSE COUNTY RULES SAY THAT YOU CAN'T SELL TOBACCO, A KILLING SUBSTANCE, NEAR SCHOOLS.
THEY ARE SAYING YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT AWAY WITHOUT REIM US.
YOU CAN'T TAKE AWAY PROPERTY WITHOUT REIMBURSING US.
DO THEY HAVE A CASE HERE?
>> THEY MAKE A GOOD POINT.
THEY ARE GOING TO EVENTUALLY SELL THESE STORES.
IF YOU REDUC STORE, IT'S NOT FAIR TO THEM.
ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU CAN ARGUE IF YOU ARE NOT SELLING CIGARETTES TO MINORS, HOW DOES IT REALLY REDUCE THE VALUE OF YOUR STORE?
AGAINST, I THINK.
>> YOU ARE DRIVING ALONG, AND YOU ARE THINKING TO YOURSELF, I HAVE GOT TO GET A PACK OF CIGARETTES OR CIGARS, AND I KNOW NOT TO STOP ON THIS STRETCH BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SELL THEM.
IT'S NOT THE B DO ALL THE TIME.
IT'S T IN AND GRAB A PACK OF CIGARETTES.
CONVENIENCE SMART.
SOME KIND OF THING WITH THE PEOPLE UNTIL THEY SELL THE STORE.
KNOW -- UNTIL THAT -- I MEAN, YOU JUST CAN'T TAKE AWAY SOMEBODY'S RIGHT TO SELL SOMETHING, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CAN STILL SELL LIQUOR.
THAT WAS THE POINT.
>> I'M CONFUSED BY THIS ACTOR WE KEEP ARGUING AND HEARING ABOUT.
IS THERE SOME MYSTICAL THING THAT DRAWS US IN?
VISITATION WAS JUST LIKE A BLOCK AWAY FROM THREE GAS STATIONS THAT SOLD CIGARETTES AND BEER.
>> BUT YOU DID SMOKE.
YOU DID.
>> A >> I AGREE WITH WENDY.
>> EVEN SCHOOL CHILDREN TODAY ARE QUITE WORLDLY THANKS TO THE ONLINE WORLDLY.
BUT IT'S IN PROXIMITY TO THE SCHOOL.
I DON'T QUITE GET -- ANYBODY THAT SELLS CIGARETTES OR ALCOHOL OR WHATEVER TO A MINOR SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN.
WE AGREE O THE POINT IS UNDERSTAND WHY THAT'S A THING.
>> WHY?
RETAILER SELLS TO NEAR A SCHOOL, THERE'S A GREATER PERCENTAGE.
IT'S A KILLER SUBSTANCE.
WHY ARE THE FOUR OF YOU DEFENDING PEOPLE THAT SELL?
>> I REMEMBER IN HIGH SCHOOL THAT THERE WERE KIDS WHO SMOKE AND THEY DIDN'T SMOKE BECAUSE THERE WAS A PLACE HE CLOSE BY TO GET THEM.
THEY SMOKED BECAUSE THEY WERE.
>> THEY WERE COOL, EXACTLY.
>> PEOPLE WHO SELL CIGARE WILL LOCATE IN AREAS WHERE THEY THINK PEOPLE WILL BY CIGARETTES.
IF A SCHOOL HAPPENS TO BE IN THE AREA, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY CORRELATE.
>> I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING THAT'S SOLD THAT'S MORE ADDICTIVE THAN CIGARETTES, AND THE FOUR OF YO BEING NEAR JACK AND JILL WHEN THEY GO TO SCHOOL.
YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE BIGGEST CAUSE OF DEATH IN THE COUNTRY, CARDIAC DISEASE.
>> THE BIG WRECKS ARE PEOPLE NOT SMOKING BUT PEOPLE EATING AND DRINKING.
>> YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SMOKE FIVE CIGARETTES AND RUN INTO A WALL.
SAM PAGE, COUNTY EXECUTIVE FOR ST. LOUIS COUNTY.
THIS IS SPECIFICS GETTING DEEP IN THE WEEDS OR INSIDE BASEBALL.
FOR COUNTY MEETINGS.
HE FOR 6 MONTHS BUT THE COUNTY CHARTER SAYS HE HAS TO THE MEETINGS, AND HE PLE WHEN HE TOOK OVER THE JOB THAT HE WOULD ATTEND THE MEETINGS, AND HE ALSO EXCORI PREDECESSOR FOR NOT ATTENDING MEETINGS.
HE WAS GOING TO GIVE THE COUNTY COUNCIL THE RESPECT IT DESERVES.
THAT'S A CAMPAIGN PROMISE.
I DON'T GET UPSET ABOUT MISSING MEETINGS, BECAUSE HE COULD SEND AN AIDE THE AIDE CAN COME BACK AND TELL HIM.
A BOARD MEMBER MISSING MEETINGS, BECAUSE THEY ARE ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK, WH EXECUTIVE SHOULD HAVE TO SIT THERE AND LISTEN.
YOU LOOK PUZZLED.
>> SHOULD THE PRESIDENT BE AT THE MEETING OF THE JOINT CHIEFS?
HE'S THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE.
IF YOU RAN FOR T THE JOB!
>> I'M NOT UPSET.
I' TO -- EVERYBODY KNOWS HE'S SACRIFICING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOL CAN MAKE A LOT MORE MONEY, AND I SAY THAT WITH FULL RESPECT FOR THAT PROFESSION.
THIS IS THE SAME GUY THAT VOTERS DID AN OVERWHELMING REVEREND REFERENDUM SAYING YOU CAN'T HAVE A SIDE JOB.
IF HE DOESN'T WANT TO ATTEND MEETINGS, HE SHOULD RESIGN AND LET SOMEBODY BE COUNTY EXECUTIVE WHO WANTS TO DO.
YOU JUST DON'T GET TO NOT DO IT.
IT'S IN THE CHARTER.
>> I CAN'T DEFEND HIM BECAUSE IT'S IN THE BILL, HE'S NOT A MEMBER OF THE COUNTY BOARD.
LET ME F BUT IF FOR NO OTHER REASON THAT SYMBOLICALLY, YOU HAVE GOT TO GO TO THE MEETI YO HOW MANY TIMES H VICE-PRESIDENT VOTE WHEN THERE'S A DEADLOCK IN THE SENATE?
SHE DOESN'T NEED TO BE HALF THE TIME.
BUT SHE HA SAY, OH, MY GD I WOULD RATHER BE SOMEPLACE ELSE RIGHT NOW.
>> WHAT DID YOU THINK LE SLIE BELL, THE COUNTY PROSECUTOR, WHO DID NOT ATTEND A BOARD MEETING THIS WEEK, THE COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING WHEN THEY WERE GOING OVER HIS BUDGET?
AND ONE OF THEM, I THINK, SA SAM ALTON.
SHOULD THE COUNTY PROSECUTOR HAVE BEEN TO A MEETING DISCUSSING HIS O BUDGET?
&g IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES COMPARISON.
>> I FEEL BAD FOR MR. &g t;> I RUN THE OFFICE BUT DON'T RUN THE BUDGETARY PART OF MY OFFICE.
IN ANY ADMINIS OFFICE IS RUN IN SOME WAY, IT ALL COMES BACK TO THE MAN OR WOMAN IN CHARGE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME YOU TOO MUCH FOR PAPERCL COME ON, MAN.
>> YOU ARE A BUDGET REPRESENTATIVE, APPROPRIAT THEY A CONGRESS ANYWAY.
>> GOOD ONE.
CITY OF CLAYTON WHICH HAS AN EQUITY COMMISSION TO FURTHER DIVERSITY EQUITY AND INCLUSION.
ONE OF THE PROPOSALS THEY ARE LOOKING AT IS TO HAVE BILINGUAL SIGNS PERHAPS WITH ENGLISH LANGUAGE, SPANISH, PROBABLY MANDARIN OR SOME CHINESE LANGUAGE.
>> I THINK THAT'S A NICE BU T THAT'S FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE IN CLAYTON OR DRIVING THROUGH OR FLOWN IN FROM SOME OTHER PART OF THE BOY, I WAS REALLY ENLIGHTENED IN CLAYTON.
HEY, I WANT TO BUY A HOUSE IN CLAYTON.
SHOW THAN EQUITY AND INCLUSION.
>> YOU MAKE A GREAT POINT.
IT HELPS.
SOME O COMES IN AND KIND OF AN INTERNATIONAL SCENE.
IT DOESN SAYS.
>> YOU ARE LYING, RIGHT?
>> IF WE ARE, IN FACT, THE MELTING POT, THEN WHY WOULDN'T WE HAVE SIGNS IN DIFFERENT LANGUAGES?
>> I BUT CLAYTON ISN'T A MELTING POT.
>> IT COULD BE.
>> GETS A HOLD OF IT, AND SOMEONE LIKE ERIC SCHMIDT WHO ROUTINELY TWEETS ABOUT THE DEEFL OF DEI.
OF IT.
BUT SOMEBODY WILL, I SEE WHAT THEY ARE DOING AGAIN?
THEY ARE TAKING AWAY OUR LANGUAGE.
AN ISSUE.
>> IS IS IT KIND OF WINDOW DRESSING SAY LOOK, WE ARE SO INCLUSIVE, BUT IF THE CITY DOESN'T, FOR EXAMPLE, SAY WE ARE GOING TO SET UP SECTION 8 HOUSING OR IN MEXICANS FROM CHICAGO TO MOVE HERE, GOING TO MAKE HOUS THEM?
IF Y MAKE SURE IT'S REALLY INCLUSIVE AND JUST PUT UP THE SIGNAGE, IS IT DOING ANYTHING?
>> EVERY JOURNEY WITH A THOUSAND MILES BEGINS WITH ONE STEP.
>> YOU ARE RIGHT.
WHY DOES KIR WIN THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP?
IT'S FOR SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT I'M GLAD IT'S THERE.
I REFUTE MY OWN ARGUMENT.
OKAY.
ACTUALLY NEED SUPPORTED OF PEOPLE.
&g WERE MEANT TO BE DRESSED.
>> AIRPORT HAS GOT, LIKE, 20 LANGUAGES ON THERE.
>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
>> WE SPEAK 3 IN ST. LOUIS.
I'M JOKING.
>> NO ON NO ONE IS ARGUING THAT.
OF COURSE THAT.
YOU BROUGHT IT UP.
>> I DO WANT TO MENTION A COUPLE OF THINGS.
NO.
1, YOU CAN FOL THREADS NOW, AND IF YOU FOLLOW "DONNYBROOK" STL ON THREADS WHICH IS A COUNTERPART TO X, FORMERLY KNOWN AS TWITTER.
YOU COULD WIN EXCLUSIVE "DONNYBROOK" MERCHANDISE.
OF OUR COLLEAGUE DONN JOHNSON WHO WAS KIND ENOUGH TO JOIN US FOR THE PROGRAM NEXT UP IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
WE THOUGHT WE WOULD SHARE A SMALL CLIP OF HIS APPEARANCE AS YOU SAW HIM EARLIER.
>> DJ, EVEN BEFORE MICHAEL BROWN, BEFORE FERGUSON, YOU WERE ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE CONSTANTLY HAVING THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT ARE YOU OPTIMISTIC.
THROUGH THE EFFORTS TOWARDS DIVERSITY IN THE MEDIA, AT LEAST?
>> I AM OPTIMISTIC.
I WILL TELL YOU WHY.
THE PEOPLE THAT I RUN INTO PEOPLE THAT I SEE DOING FOR EACH OTHER ACROSS REGIONAL LINES, ACROSS SOCIAL LINES TELLS ME THAT THE MES THIS ALL TOGETHER IS RESONATING TO SOME PEOPLE'S MINDS.
I HAVE SEEN MINDS ACTUALLY CHANGE ABOUT CERTAIN T YEAH, I'M OPTIMISTIC.
IT'S GOING TO BE A WHILE.
IT PROBABLY WON'T BE IN MY LIFETIME THE WAY I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE.
BUT I THINK IT WILL HAPPEN.
I THINK MY CHILDREN'S CHIL MAY GET TO EXPERIENCE THAT >> LATE DONN JOHNSON.
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