WELCOME BACK.

THE MICHIGAN HOUSE DEMOCRATIC LEADER REPRESENTATIVE DONNA LASINSKI CHATS ABOUT TAKING CONTROL FROM THE REPUBLICANS.

OUR LEAD STORY, A FORMER SPEAKER OF THE MICHIGAN HOUSE IN TROUBLE WITH THE LAW.

ON THE OTR PANEL KYLE MELINN, LAUREN GIBBONS, AND CRAIG MAUGER.

SIT IN WITH US AS WE GET THE INSIDE OUT, OFF THE RECORD.

ANNOUNCER: PRODUCTION OF "OFF THE RECORD "IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY: NOW TIM SKUBICK.

TIM: THANKS VERY MUCH.

WELCOME BACK TO "OFF THE RECORD."

THE RACE GORE NOVEMBER NOR KYLE MELINN BASED ON NEW POLLING DATA THE TAURUS IS GETTING CLOSER.

[LAUGHTER] IT DOES APPEAR THE TORTOISE IS GETTING CLOSER THE REPUBLICANS ARE STARRING TO FIGURE OUT WHO THE GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE IS AND RESPONDING AND SHOWING UP IN THE POLLING AND DID A POLL WITH MITCHELL RESEARCH JUST YESTERDAY THAT FOUND THAT TUDOR DIXON IS NOW WITHIN TWO POINTS OF GOVERNOR WHITMER, 48 TO 46% AND SHOWS DANA NESLE IS UP 3 PERCENT TABLE POINTS OVER HER REPUBLICAN OPPONENT.

JOSLIN BENSON IS UP 49 TO 40% OVER CHRISTINA.

AND PROPOSAL 3 IS RIGHT NOW AT 50% THIS NO VOTE AT 47%.

TIM: ALL RIGHT.

IN THE RACE FOR GOVERNOR, IS IT BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR IS DOING POORLY OR DIXON IS DOING WELL?

>> ALL THE POLLS WE HAD SO FAR HAS HAD THE GOVERNOR AROUND 50 PERCENT WHETHER IT HAS BEEN 53, 52, 51, 50, 48%, AND TUDOR DIXON'S NUMBERS HAVE BEEN THE ONE IN QUESTION, I MEAN, IT HAS TAKEN THE REPUBLICANS A WHILE TO FIGURE OUT WHO THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE IS, NOW, THAT THEY HAVE, AND, NOW, THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE ON THE AFTER I, OUTSIDE, OF HER TRYING TO EX LAN THE POSITION ON ABORTION, PEOPLE ARE STARRING TO FIGURE IT OUT AND GOING THE RESPECTIVE CORNER THE NUMBERS NOW SH RUNNING TO 3 PERCENTAGE POINTS AND PEOPLE HAVE MADE UP THEIR MINDS.

>> LAUREN, WHAT DID YOU THINK?

>> I THINK, CERTAINLY, AT THIS POINT, PEOPLE KNOW WHO ARE VOTING IN THE MID TERPS WHO GRETCHEN WHITMER IS.

ARE THEY GOING TO LEARN WHO TUDOR DIXON IS?

AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE SAW AT THE DEBATE, SHE HAD, SHE HAD A GOOD PERFORMANCE, AND AS KYLE SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT NUMBER OF UNDECIDED VOTERS IS, IT IS SH ENK ARING OR SHRUNK AT THIS POINT.

I DON'T THINK THERE I, YOU KNOW, TOO MANY MORE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE, LAKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, I AM NOT SURE WHICH ONE I WOULD PICK TURNOUT AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE INTERESTING BUT I THINK, SORT OF A NATURAL CONCLUSION OF PEOPLE LEARNING MORE ABOUT THEIR CANDIDATES.

>> MR. MAUG SPER YEAH.

THERE HAVE BEEN POLLS THAT SHOW THE LEAD FROM 2 TO 17 PERCENT AND SOME POLLS THAT SHOWED IN A DEADLOCKED RACE.

THE THING I TELL PEOPLE TO WATCH AT THIS POINTS THEN IN MY.

FOLLOW THE MONEY.

ARE REPUBLICANS SPENDING LARGE SUMS OF MONEY INVESTING TO TRY TO WITHIN THE STATE.

AS OF THIS MOMENT, LESS THAN THREE WEEKS BEFORE THE ELECTION THEY ARE NOT.

SO WHAT ARE THEY SEEING IN THE POLLS THAT ARE TELLING THEM, HEY, WE ARE NOT GOING TO INVEST IN TUDOR DIXON WE ARE GOING TO INVEST IN MATT.

I WOULD BE STROOKING IF THIS ATTORNEY GENERAL RACE IS A TOSS-UP AS ALL OF THE POLLS SEEM TOUND KATE BUT THE REPUBLICANS NATIONALLY ARE NOT INVESTING AND PROMOTING MATT IT IS STRANGE.

WELL, THERE WAS $2 MILLION BUY THOUGH RECENTLY.

THERE WAS $2 MILLION SUM FOR SOME THIRD PARTY GROUP AND HOT THE REPUBLICAN ATTORNEY GENERAL'S ASSOCIATION BUT SOMEBODY IS PUTTING SOMETHING INTO IT.

>> NOT COMPARED TO THE DEMOCRATS ARE PUTTING IN RIGHT.

THEY HAVE A LOT MORE MONEY I AM NOT AWARE AND THE REPUBLICAN ATTORNEY GENERAL'S ASSOCIATION HAS RESERVED TIME FOR LATER IN THE ELECTION AND I MEAN, WHAT I HAVE SEEN SO FAR IS LARGE AMOUNTS OF SPENDING ON THE BE HALF ARE THE OWN CALM OPINION AND THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF DEMOCRATIC ATTORNEY GENERALS AND IT IS REALLY KIND OF MYSTIFYING TO COMPARE THE POLL NUMBERS TO WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN TERMS OF SPENDING THEN IN OTHER STATES THEY ARE HE SEEING LARGANTS OF SPENDING FROM BOTH SIDES.

WELL PUT THIS IN.

REMEMBER THE GOVERNOR HAS SPENT $16 MILLION ON THIS RAS AND HERE SHE IS TIED WITH MISS DIXON?

YEAH.

I THINK THAT SPEAKS TO HOWDY VIDED WITH REAS STATE THEN ALSO SPEAKS TO KIND OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND HOW IT IS RUN.

WHAT I MEAN BY THAT THE ECONOMY IS ON SHAKY CROWN THE PRESIDENT IS NUMBERS ARE NOT GREAT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK HISTORICALLY THE LAST TIME WE HAD A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT, IN OFFICE, AND WE HAD A DEMOCRAT, RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR, ACTUALLY, WING, YOU GOT TO GO BACK TO 1950.

WHEN THAT HAPPENED IN MICHIGAN.

THE ALSO TIME THAT HAPPENED WAS 1950, TIM.

I MEAN, YOU WERE AROUND.

I THINK NOBODY ELSES WITH AROUND BACK THEN.

AND, AND, THE POINT.

>> CAREFUL.

ALL RIGHT.

THE DEMOCRAT NOMINEE IN THAT RACE, WILLIAMS WON BAY VERY, VERY VERY MARRO MARGIN ONE OF THE NARROWEST IN STATE HISTORY, SO YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY WOULD EVEN SHOW THIS IS VERY DIFFICULT, SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE TOTALLY SURPRISED BUT I AM SURPRISED IT IS THIS CLOSE GIVEN THE FUNDING, TIM.

WELL, IF YOU ARE SITTING IN THE WHITMER CAMP THIS OBVIOUSLY CANNOT BE GOOD NEWS AND HAD THE DINNER PUSHING CAN AND ON THE LINE HERE AND THE STATE LEGISLATURE RACES AND SEVERAL COMPETITIVE CONGRESSIONAL RACES THEN, THEN, ALSO, BUT ALSO, THOSE ABORTION NUMB BERTHAS YOU MENTION THE PROPOSAL 3 AND THAT BEAN THAT BEING CLOSE AT THIS POINT, THEN, THEN, YOU KNOW THEY ARE STILL THREE WEEKS TO GO, THEN, THEN THAT SHOULD PROBABLY RAISE EYEBROWS FOR ALE LO LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE IN SUPPORT THAT INITIATIVE SO I THINK AT THIS POINT SHALL WHERE YOU KNOW A COUPLE OF WEEKS LEFT AND WE'LL SEE YOU WHAT HAPPENS THEN THOSE NUMBERS WOULD RAISE EYEBROWS.

YOU GOT TWO COMPETING FORCES CLASHING HERE.

SO SOME TIME OF NATIONAL TREND THAT SEEMS TO BE GOING IN THE REPUBLICANS AND ALL THE STRATEGY TON THE GROUND AND THE DEMOCRATS ON THEIR SIDE AND COME TO A HEAD ON NOVEMBER 8th THEN WHICH ONE WINS OUT.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

YOU MADE A $28 INVESTMENT THE OTHER DY AND CAME UP WITH A GOOD STORY ON THE FORMER SPEAKER AND THAT IS RADIO I MY COLLEAGUE OBTAINED THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE SEARCH WARRANT AND ESSENTIALLY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE GOING TO A JUDGE AND SAYING, AUTHORIZED SEARCH WAR RAN THEN GO OBTAIN INFORMATION FOR OUR INVESTIGATION INTO THE FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER AND LEE CHATFIELD WHAT THE DOCUMENTS SHOW ARE WIDE RANGING INVESTIGATES INTO WHAT THESE INVESTIGATORS ARE DESCRIBING AS AS CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE POTENTIALLY INVOLVING EMBEZZLEMENT AND CALM PINE FINANCE VIOLATION AND CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES AND A RAY OF OTHER POSSIBLE CHALLENGES OF THE POSSIBLE CHARGES THEN, MASSIVE STORY HERE.

ALL RIGHT.

THIS IS INA NEW STORY, I IT.

THIS HAS BEEN ON THE STREET AS THEY SAY IN THE BUSES NES FOR WELL OVER A YEAR, KYLE.

WELL, YEAH.

YEAH.

IT HAS.

YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW.

LEE CHATFIELD IS CERTAINLY NOT SOMEBODY WHO HAS GO IN A LOT OF POS DIF PRESS LATELY A AND SHOWS THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE IS TAKING A LOOK INTO AND THE CORE I THINK, HOW HE USES WHAT WE CALL POLITICAL FOLKS RUNNING FOR OFFICE, THEN, TO PAY FOR EXTRA EXPENSES, AND IT LOOKS LIKE CHATFIELD'S, FIRST OF ALL, HE RAISED QUITE A BIT OF IT, BUT WHAT HE USED, THAT MONEY FOR IS, I THINK, WHAT THE REAL QUESTION IS.

TO WHAT EXTENT IS HE ALLOWED TO US IT FOR TRIPS TO LAS VEGAS OR FLOOR DID AND DID HE USE TO IT PAY FOR SCHEDULED NARCOTICS I THINK THAT IS WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS LOOKING INTO AND THEN ADAY IN, THERE IS NO CHARGES THAT HAVE BEEN FILED YET.

THEY ARE TAKING A LOOK AT IT.

BUT, BUT, CERTAINLY NEGATIVE PRESS AND CERTAINLY THAT THE DEMOCRATS CAN EXPLOIT AT THIS STAGE OF THE CAMPAIGN.

>> I WANT TOP ASK YOU, AN EVIDENCE IS SORT OF A CATCHALL FOR EVERYTHING.

I AM NOT A THE ATTORNEY AND NOT PLAY ONE ON TV BUT AFFIDAVIT CAN BE FILLED UP WITH ALL SORTS OF TOUGH, TO GET THE JUDGE TO SIGN OFF ON THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE TRUE IS THAT AN ACCURATE OVERSIGHT OF WHAT AFFIDAVIT IS?

>> I THINK ANY STATEMENT MAY OR MAY NOT BE TRUE AND THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAVE ARE BASED ON INTERVIEWS THAT ASSOCIATES OF LEE CHATFIELD GAVE TO INVESTIGATORS AND ACCORDING TO THE DOWNS THEY SITE THE BROTHER SAME AND IN THE DOWNS HE ADMITS TO COMMITTING WHAT THE MULTIPLE CRIMES HIMSELF AND CHATFIELD IS ADMITTING THESE IN THE INTERVIEWS WITH INVESTIGATORS AS OF EARLY THIS YEAR THE OTHER PERSON THIS THESE ARE BASED ON IS ANNIE MINARD WHO IS THE TOP POLITICAL SO I PANE, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT THE SAMES COULD BE TRUE OR FALSE, STILL, BUT THESE ARE SOME OF THE CLOSEST PEOPLE TO LEE CHATFIELD THAT THERE ARE OUT THERE.

SO WHAT ARE THE POLITICAL AMPLICATION OF THIS STORE, I MR. CHATFIELD IS NOT IN OFFICE AND ANYONE TRYING TO USE THIS ISSUE.

YOU KNOW I THINK.

AND REPUBLICANS THAT POINT AND I THINK, AS YOU MENTIONED THIS STORY HAS BEEN CIRCULATING IN SOME CAPACITY FOR A LONG TYPE, CRAIG REPORTING AND SHOWCASED SO SOME OF THE DETAILS ON WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS COMES UP WITH AND LOOKS LIKE QUITE A BIT AT THIS POINT AND, AND, YOU OH, DESPITE SEVERAL MONTHS OF INVESTIGATIONS WE HAVE NOT REALLY SEEN ANY ACTIVITY FROM HOUSE REPUBLICANS TO TRY TO PREVENT ACTIVITY LIKE THIS FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY MAJOR REFORMS IN CAMPAIGN FINANCE OR YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF THINGS THAT MAYBE WOULDN'T HAVE STOPPED THE HOUSE SPEAKER FROM ENGAGING IN THESE ACTIVITIES, RIGHT.

POWERFUL POSITION, AND BUT YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY, AT LA EAST SHOW OF WITH WE ARE NOT GOING TO TOLERATE THIS BEHAVIOR.

BE A WHAT HOUSE REPUBLICANS DO IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THIS SOME OF THESE POTENTIAL ALLEGATIONS.

>> WELL.

I DON'T THINK WE ACTUALLY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS GOING TO COME UP AND MAYBE THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY COULD POTSBLY DO IN THE CASE, THE DAYS NATURAL BROUGHT THIS TO THE FOREFRONT, IS AN SACKIZATION THAT HE ASSAULTED HIS NOW SISTER IN LAW SHE WAS 15 BUT DOESN'T SOUND LOOK THE AFFIDAVIT AND THEY ARE GOING DOWN THAT AREA AND DOESN'T REALLY SOUND LIKE THAT IS WHERE THE INVESTIGATION IS GOING AT ALL AND SOUNDS LIKE IT IS GOING ON AND ANGLE AND GOING TO THE SOFT BEEN NY AND THEN IT IS ABOUT ANY TYPE OF GROOMING OR ANTICIPATE HENG LIKE THAT.

WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, LAUREN.

WHAT IS IT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR?

IS IT, IS THE TESTIMONY OF SOMEBODY WHO YOU KNOW, HAS NOT REALLY GIVEN ENOUGH INFORMATION TO LAW ENDS AREMENT TO PURSUE ONE ANGLE THEN GOING ON ANOTHER.

I THINK THEY ARE STUCK AS TO WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE DOING HERE.

THEY ARE.

THEY ARE LOOKING AT BANK RECORDS, THE SEARCH WAR AFFIDAVITS SHOW THEY ARE TRYING TO OBTAIN BANK RECORDS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT LEE CHAT FIRE DEPARTMENT'S RAREAS COMMITTEES AND NONPROFITS WERE SPENDING MONEY ON, THEN YOU CAN REPORT ONE THING, AND SAY, HEY, WE EN SP IT ON THIS.

DID THE MONEY GO TO THAT?

THEN CHATFIELD THE BROTHER MADE STATEMENTS IN THE DON'TS THAT HE, HE WOULD CASH CHECK INTERESTS THESE ACCOUNTS THEN HAND CASH FROM TRIP WENT ON.

THAT IS UNUSUAL.

THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS IN A BUSINESS WORLD WHERE YOU GIVE $5,000 CASH TO GO ON TRIP AND RAISE THE RED PLAGUE FOR THEM THEN I THINK TWO TO THE INVESTIGATION AND BOTH OF THEM REMAIN ONGOING IN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE THERE IS A FINANCIAL TRACK WHICH IS THE INVESTIGATION THAT WE OBTAINED DOUMS FROM, AND IN THE, THE SECTIONUAL TRACK, WHICH OUR SOURCES ARE TELLING US, IT IS TILL ONGOING.

>> ALL RIGHT.

SO THE STORY WE MUST SAY, A PERSON IS AS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY AND CALL IN THE HOUSE DEMOCRATIC LEADER WHO IS WITH US THIS MORNING ON-OFF THE RECORD AND REPRESENTATIVE, GOOD TO SEE YOU.

HOW ARE YOU DOING IF.

>> GOOD THANK YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING.

LET'S START WITH THE OBVIOUS HERE AND YOU FOLKS ARE HOPING THE GOVERNOR WOULD HAVE COATTAILS WHEN ROLLING LANG AT 6 POINT THEN NOW IN A DEAD HEAT AND YOU HEARD THAT NUMBER DID YOU SHIVER IN YOUR BOOTS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE KNOWN THIS WAS GOING TO BE A CLOSE RATE.

MICHIGAN IS A VERY POLITICALLY DIVIDE STATE RIGHT NOW.

I AM CONFIDENT IN THE GOVERNOR'S ABILITY TO WIN THIS RACE, I THINK IT IS THE COMMENTS THAT WE JUST HEARD, LOOKING AT, WHO IS REALLY INVESTIGATING AND WHO IS COMING OUT AND SUPPORT.

GOVERNOR WHITMER'S CREATED THOUSANDS OF NEW JOBS FOR MICHIGAN IN EAR AND INVESTIGATED HISTORIC FUNDS IN PUBLIC EDUCATION AND SHE IS THE CANDIDATE WHO WILL PROTECT WOMEN'S RIGHTS.

YOU CAN PASS PAL LOT INITIATIVE BUT NEED TO ENSURE THAT AMENDMENT IS ENFORCING CODIFIED AND WE CAN COUNT ON GOVERNOR WHITMER MER TO DO THAT.

DO YOU THINK ABORTION WILL TRUMP INFLATION ISSUE WHEN MRS. AND MRS.

VOTERS SIT DOWN TO SHOW UP AT THE POLLS M I WHICH ONE WILL BE MORE IMPORTANT?

>> LE, THINK THEY ARE BOTH IMPORTANT AND I THINK DEM CRAS ARE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF BOTH OF THOSE ISSUES.

YOU KNOW?

AS WE LOOK HERE IN MICHIGAN, AND JUST, JUST LAST WEEK, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STATE, WE BROUGHT THOUSANDS OF NEW JOBS TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE STATE, HOUSE DEMOCRATS DELIVERED 51 TO 53 VOTES ON OUR SIDE AND REPUBLICANS CAN GET TO NEARLY HALF OF THE VOTES TO HP THE PROCESS AND TO BRING THOUSANDS OF INNOVATIVE MANUFACTURINGP JOBS THEN LOOK AT WOMAN'S RIGHTS ITS CLEAR THAT DEMOCRATS ARE STANDING WITH WOMEN AND I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW MANY DOOR REPORTS I HAVE RECEIVED WHERE WE GO THE DOOR AND THE WOMAN SAYS, THIS IS WHY I AM VOTING.

THIS IS WHY I AM MAKING SHORE I AM VOTING THIS TIME.

BECAUSE ANY OTHER WOMEN'S CHOICE IS NOT MY CHOICE TO MAKE.

IT SURE IS NOT A POLLS' CHOICE TO MAKE.

>> LAUREN?

>> THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF FOES CAN ON THE SENATE DEMOCRATS AND HOW MUCH MONEY IS BEING RAISED UNTHOSE RACES ON THE PATH OF LEGISLATIVE MAJORITY IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED FOR HOUSE DEMOCRATS TO POTENTIALLY GET THAT MAJORITY THEN YOU CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE WHERE YOU ARE AT THIS POINT AND THEN, THEN, WHAT YOU SEE THE CHANCES OF BEING THERE.

>> SO, I WILL TELL YOU.

THE ONLY THING THAT IS MORE COME PLY CALL ITED ABOUT THE HOUSE TAKING MAJORITY.

IT'S THE STORE WHICH REHAVE TO TELL AND HAVE 110 SEATS SO YOU LOOK AT THE NEW LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.

THERE IS A FIELD OF AILING SEATS WHERE WE ARE HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH REPUBLICANS AND THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO DECIDE MAJORITY.

THEN, THE SENATE, YOU CAN TELL THAT STORY BY TELLING THE STORY OF TWO OR THROW RATESES IN THE HUS AND HAVE TO TELL MUCH MORE COMPLICATED STORY FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE CYCLE, WE HAVE OUTRAISED ANY PREVIOUS FUND-RAISING TARGETS 25-30-50% QUARTER OF QUART WE'RE WE ARE WELL POSITIONED TO RUNNING INTO THE TAPE.

WE HAVE FANTASTIC POLICY MESS A.M.S THAT WE ARE SHARING AND A VISION FOR MICHIGAN WE ARE SHARING AROUND STRUCTURE AND PUBLIC EDUCATION AND WOMAN'S RIGHTS, THAT THE PEOPLE OF MICHIGAN ARE RESPONDING TO AND VERY CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL HAVE DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY PLAYING ON THIS NEW LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.

>> MADAM LEAD ARE I WAS TAKING A LOOK AT THE SPENDING THAT IS BEING DONE ON BROADCAST AND CABLE TELEVISION AND THEN THE HOUSE DEMOCRATS ARE UTSPOUNDING HOUSE WEB CANS $7 MILLION TO $2.5 MILLION AT THIS POINT IN THE, WHY IS THE DEMOCRATS DOING BET HE WHEN THEY HAVE SUCH A CLEAR IF YOU RAISING ADVANTAGE NOT ON THE HOUSE BUT AS CRAIG SAID IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE AND THE OTHER RACES.

WE ARE DOING WELL.

WE SHOULD BE DOING BETTER AS I LOOK AT OUR INTERNAL POLLS AS I LOOK AT WHAT WE SEE AND REMEMBER, AIN'T IS POSSIBLE TO TALK TO EVERY VOTE ARE YOU NEED TO TALK TO IN A PERSONAL WHICH AND WE KNOCKED 130,000 DASH TOES LAST SUMMER NOT EVEN THE ELECTION SUMMER TO GET OUT THERE TO MAKE SURE FOLKS WHO KNEW WHO WE WERE AND WHAT THE VISION WERE WE ARE BILLION OVER THE HALF MILLION MARK NOW HEADED TOWARD 150,000 DOORS THEN THOSE PERSONAL CONVERSATIONS WE ARE WENNING THE HEART AND VOTES OF PI MY ANDERS.

>> MR. MAUGER IN.

REPRESENTATIVE, BRING IT BACK TO HATFIELD INVESTIGATION AND THE HOUSE DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN CALLING FOR IN PERSONAL PROBE THE HOUSE BUSINESS OFFICE AND THE HOUSE DOP WHICH CONTROLS THE CHAMBER, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, REPEATEDLY THROUGHOUT THIS, LEE CHATFIELD'S TEAM THE PEOPLE AROUND HIM HAVE BEEN AM CLAING THAT THE NONPROFIT MONEY HE RAISED WENT TO FUND TRIPS OR MEALS FROM DEM CRACT LAWMAKERS AS WELL.

IT IS THERE ANYTHING PREVENTING ALL ON THE DEM CRACK SIDE TOKING IF GUR OUT WHICH ONE OF YOUR MEMBERS BENEFITED FROM THE MONEY THAT LEE CHATFIELD WAS RAISING?

I CAB TELL YOU THAT KNOW THAT LEE CHATFIELD TRAVELED WITH AING LAR CREW OF REPUBLICANS HE HAD A CLEAR GROUP THAT WENT EVERYWHERE WITH HIM AND THAT IS WHAT I HAVE SEEN FROM THE OUTSIDE.

AS WE ARE LOOKING AT.

AND TAKE MAY RAILROAD YOUS DEMOCRAT AND NOT DIE AND WE WILLING AAND THIS CULTURE OF CORRUPTS AND THIS GAME REN CANS HAVE PLAY FOR TWO SESSION NOW OF RUNNING THE CLOCK AND SAYING IT IS NOT IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY ARE NO LONGER HERE.

THAT DOESN'TFULLY WITH US.

WHEN WE LOOK NOW THE CLEAR THROUGH LINE WE HAVE ONE OF THE RIGHT HAND HEN WE HAVE SPACKER WENTWORTH AS THE CURRENT SPACKER AND EM MOVES WHO ARE EMBROILED IN WHAT YOUR ORGANIZATION JUST REPORTED IN A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE AND LIKELY ENTERPRISE IN THE HOUSE AND WE HAVE TO IN SURE THAT OUR STATE HOUSE MAINTAINS THE INTEGRITY AND THANKLY THIS CULTURE OF CORRECTION DOESN'T DO IT.

WELL YOU HAVE ASKEDDED?

DID YOU SHARE IN THE MONEY WITH MR. CHATFIELD?

HAVE YOU ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS OF YOUR MEMBERS?

>> WE HAVE STARTED TO ASK AND SAY HEY ANYTHING WE SHOULD KNOW AND WE HAVE RECEIVED NO ITEMS OF CONCERN.

NO.

>> HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE YOU ASKED?

MORE THAN TWO?

>> SO WE HAVE -- WITH OUR LEADERSHIP TEAM.

WE SAID LET'S GO OUT.

ALSO START TALKING TO REPRESENTATIVES TO FEE THERE IS ANY ITEMS OF CONCERN AS I SAID.

WE NOTE THIS IS NOT, BE THERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE ON BOTH PARTIES KIND OF A PROBLEM T. THAT IS CLEAR CULTURE CORRUPTS IN REPUBLICANS WE STARTED TWO YEARS AGO, AND CRAIG, AS YOU MENTIONED, CALLING FOR ACCOUNTING.

CALLING FOR A BIPARTISAN COMMISSION.

THIS HAPPENED AND HAPPENED EFFECTIVELY BEFORE AND WE HAD THE ISSUE ON THE REPUBLICAN SAID WITH ONE MEMBER RESIGNING THEN ONE MEMBER BEING EXPELLED WE WERE ABLE TO WALK AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIM AND ETHICS AND INTEGRITY OF THE HOUSE INVESTIGATE.

THE REPUBLICANS CONTINUING TO SHOVE THIS UNDER THE CARPET TO CONTINUE TO R RUN OF THE CLICK AND TO CONTINUE TO QUITE FRANKLY LAY THE LIE THAT SPEAKER WENTWORTH SAID IN THE OPENING STATEMENT IN OUR HOUSE CHAMBER ON THE FIRST DAY AS HE WAS SELECTED SPEAKER THAT ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY WERE GOING TO BE THE HIGHEST PRIORITY.

AIL HAS DONE IS HIDE.

HE HAS SIMPLY COVERED UP THE CHATFIELD AND THE CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE, THEN AGAIN, ALLEGATIONS AND JUST ENSURE THE PEOPLE OF MICHIGAN WHO ARE STILL FALLING PRAY TO A CULTURE OF REPUBLICAN CORRECTION, THAT HAS GONE ON FOR YEARS NOW.

IT IS CLEAR.

IT IS CLEAR THAT IN POWER FOR A DOINGED A AND TIME FO FOR A CHANGE.

THE SPEAKER SAID WE ALREADY HAVE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL INVESTIGATING HERE AND THAT THE LEGISLATURE SHOULD WAIT FOR THIS AND WORK OFF OF THAT.

>> YOU KNOW, I A, ATE THAT.

ADDS I SAID WE CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME AS WE DID WITH THE FLINT COMMISSION AND THE INVESTIGATION, THERE ARE ETHICS.

THERE IS A STANDARD OF CONDUCT, OFFICIAL MISCONDUCT IN FIS, MISUSE OF TATE RESOURCES THAT ARE ALL WITHIN THE SPACKER'S PER VIEW TO INVESTIGATE.

WE HAVE CURRENT SITTING LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WHO HAVE SAID, STATED, OVER AND OVER AND OVER THAT IT IS POSSIBLE AND IT HAS BEEN DONE TO CONDUCT ETHICS AND OFFICIAL MISCONDUCT REVIEW WHILE A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING.

THIS IS SIMPLY THE SAME MAN SPEAKER WENTWORTH WHO WENT WERE W SPEAKER CHATFIELD TO TRUMP'S OFFICE BEFORE HE BECAME SPEAKER TRYING TO PROTECT THE FORMER SPEAKER.

MADAM LEADER, THE ISSUE HERE IS NOT ABOUT PUBLIC AND TAX RESOURCE, TAXPAYER RESOURCES, THIS IS ABOUT THE SOFT MONEY ACCOUNTS THAT HAVE BEEN USED AND CAMPAIGN FINANCE MONEY, TOO, FROM COMMITTEE ACCOUNTS, MAYBE SOME OF THAT AS WELL.

DO YOU THINK THE HOUSE AND BUTTING TOGETHER SOME KIND OF ETHICS REVIEW SHOULD LOOK AT ALL OF THIS SOFT MONEY AND ALL OF THESE SECRET ACCOUNTS AND, TO SEE IF THERE IS ANYING THIS GOING ON FOR ACCOUNT LIKE BUILDING MICHIGAN'S FUTURE AND SHOULD WE EXTEND IT TO EVERYBODY WHO HAS SHE SOV MONEY AND SEE WHO ELSE IS NOT USING THIS MONEY APPROPRIATELY.

AND SO I PUSHED THAT VERY STRONGLY THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING IN THE HOUSE.

THERE ARE CURRENT EMPLOYEES WHO ARE EMBROILED IN THE ALLEGED CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE WHO WERE WORKING DIRECTLY FOR THE SPEAKER IN THE STATE HOUSE ON FUND-RAISING ACTIVITIES WHO HAD A SECOND JOB THAT WAS DESCRIBED AS FULL-TIME JOB AS ORGANIZATION, WHILE ALSO WORKING FULL-TIME AT THE STATE HOUSE FOR THE PREVIOUS AND CURRENT SPEAKER, AND I AM PUSHING BACK VERY STRONGLY, THAT OFFICIAL MISCONDUCT, AND MISUSE OF STATE HOUSE RESOURCES IS NOT A PART OF THIS.

>> OK.

SO IN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION THEN, SHOULD IT BE BROADER THEN LOOKING TO OTHER PEOPLE'S ACTIVITY WITH THEIR 5 TO 1C4'S OR 3'S OR OTHER DARK MONEY A ACCOUNTS AS WE LOOK AT THIS DEMOCRAT AND MYSELF HAVE HAD A VERY CLEAR RECORD ON THIS.

WE HAVE VOTED AGAINST THE GROWTH OF DARK MONEY IN OUR STATE.

WE HAVE VOLUNTARILY FILLED OUT FINANCIAL TRANSPARENCY FORMS THEN I HAVE SUPPORT AND SPOKEN ON THE CITIZENS UNITED AND CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL THEN, IF THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY, I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT ALL OPTIONS WITH THIS THAT IS WHY WE PUSHED WITHOUT PUTTING ANY CRITERIA AROUND IT THAT WOULD ALMOST MIT THE INVESTIGATION.

LAUREN?

INCREASE THE PLET CALL APPETITE FOR REFORMS YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF WHAT COMES OUT OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL INVESTIGATION OR ANY FUTURE POTENTIALING PI THE HOUSE SOME OF WHAT IS BEING ALLEGED IS CERTAINLY CONCERNING FROM THENS PER PKIVE DOES IT INCREASE THE POLITICAL APPETITE FOR BIPARTISAN REFORM HERE.

ARE YOU TO ASK HE REPUBLICANS WE HAVE BEEN-GRY FOR THIS FOR YEARS THE FIRST BILL I PASSED OUT MUCH THE HOUSE WAS TO OPEN THE HOUSE OF THE LG SLAYIVE OPEN RECORDS ACT.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN-GRY TO THIS FOR YEARS.

THIS WILL THIS INCREASE THE REPUBLICAN DEA FIRE?

LOOK THE PEAKER MAJORITY SPEAKERS AND SENATE MAJORITY LEADER ALSO JUST TURNED DOWN A 2!

$3,000,000,000,000.2.3 M ILLION FIND FOR HIS USE OF DARK MONEY AND NOW OPEN TO CRIMINAL CHARGES AND THIS IS CLEARLY AN ISSUE THAT MICHIGAN HAS TO DEAL WELL AND ISSUE THAT FOR OVER 40 YEARS IN THE SENATE, SENATE MAJORITY LEADERS HAVE TERM DETERMINED THEY WILL NOT LOOK AT AND THE HOUSE HAS NOT PUSHED AS A PRIORITY OF THEIRS TO GET REPUBLICAN HOUSE NOT PUSHED TO GETTING THERE THE SENATE SO THE APPETITES HERE DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN-GRY FOR YEARS.

I CAN SPEAK TO WHETHER OR NOT REPUBLICANS WILL EVER BE-GRY FOR TRANSPARENCY WHEN CLEARLY OVER 800,000 OF IT IS FUELING THEIR CAMPAIGNS NOW FROM REPRESENTATIVE OPALLY TO REPRESENTATIVE MARTIN TO COMPETITIVE RACES THAT THEY ARE RUNNING IN ARE BEING FOOLED BY MONEY.

S THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE UNETHICAL, AS I LOOK AT THIS, I BELIEVE THAT HE STATED AT BEGINNING OF THE TERM THAT HE WANTED TO HAVE TRANSPAR REASON SAN ETHICS COMMITTEE AND WHAT I CAN SPEAK TO ARE THE FACTS.

AND COULD DO WITH HOUSE RULES OR CHOSEN TO APPROVE IN A REVIEW COMMITTEE AND LE YOU.

THAT IS A YES TO MY QUESTION IS HE UNETHICAL?

EYE CAN ONLY JUDGE BY ACTIONS AND CHOSEN NOT TO ACT WITH COURAGE IN THIS AREA.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING WITH US ON THE BROADCAST ALSO OUR THANS TO OUR PANELISTS EVERYBODY HAVE A SAFE WEEKEND AND SEE YOU RIGHT HERE NEXT WEEK FOR MORE OFF THE RECORD.

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