♪ MUSIC PLAYING ♪ >>> WELCOME BACK TO THIS SPECIAL CORRESPONDENTS EDITION OF "OFF THE RECORD."

THE LEAD STORY HOW MUCH MONEY TO THE CANDIDATES RAISE AND THE STATUS OF COVID IN MICHIGAN.

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>>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WELCOME TO THIS WEEKEND EDITION OF "OFF THE RECORD."

BIG WEEKEND IN OUR UP TO WITH A LITTLE FOOTBALL GAME.

AND AT THE END OF THIS PROGRAM.

THIS ILL WITH KEEP YOU HOOKED WE'LL GIVE OUR PREDICTION ON THE OUTCOME.

WON'T WE, GUYS?

YEAH, LOOK AT THAT.

LET'S SAY HELLO TO OUR PAM, JORDAN, CHAD, KYLE, AND LAUREN.

I NEED A HEAD LINE.

WHAT WAS THE LEAD STORY THIS WEEK OUT OF THE FILING OF ALL OF THE CAMPAIGN MONEY THAT CAME IN FOR ALL OF THE CANDIDATES, JORDAN, WE'LL START WITH YOU.

YOUR HEAD LINE IS?

>> WHIT MILES AN HOUR CONTINUE USING FUNDRAISING LOOPHOLES, COMMA, NO SURPRISES OUT OF THE G.O.P.

>> CHAD?

>> WHITMER CONTINUE TO ACT LIKE THERE IS AN ACTIVE RECALL THAT DOESN'T EXIST.

[ LAUGHTER ] >> KYLE.

>> GOVERNOR FLUSH WITH CASH.

G.O.P.

NOT.

>> LAUREN.

>> GOVERNOR CONTINUE BLOWING NORMAL CAM PAIN FINANCE RULES.

>> HOW ABOUT JAMES CRAIG UNDER PERFORMS.

CAN I GET ANY TAKE ORES THAT, CHAD.

>> YEAH.

I MEAN, HE'S NOT RAISING THE KIND OF BIG BUCKS THAT WE MATE EXPECT.

SEEMS TO BE SOME OF THE BIG DONORS OF THE PARTY ARE STILL KIND OF EITHER NOT GIVING HIM DIRECTLY OR HOLDING THEIR CHECK BOOKS FOR THE BIG SUPER PAC DONATIONS WHEN THEY SORT OF DECIDE WHO TO COALESCE AROUND, PROBABLY IN THE ADVANTAGE.

>> HE'S TACK A LOOK AT THE NUMBERS WITH THIS PIECE.

>> MONEY IS THE MOTHER'S MILK OF POLITICS.

>> AND BASED ON THE FUNDRAISING NUMBERS FILED WITH THE STATE THIS WEAK THAT MILK IS FLOWING ALL OVER THE PLACE.

AND THE BIG MONEY WINNER WAS INCUMBENT DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR GRETCHEN WHITMER SHE RAISED 3.1 MILLION LAST QUARTER GIVING HER A RESPECTABLE TOTAL OF $17.3 MILLION.

WITH $13 MILLION STILL IN THE BANK.

THE FRONT RUNNER IN RAISING CASH FOR THE REMEMBER CAPS IS APPARENTLY FORMER DETROIT POLICE CHIEF JAMES CRAIG.

IN THE QUARTER, JUST PASSED HE SQUEEZED 1.4 MILLION OUT OF HIS DONORS AND HAS 1 MILLION LEFT IN THE BANK.

POLITICAL PUNDIT BILL BALLINGER ON THE MONEY GAP BETWEEN MISS WHITMER AND THE CHIEF.

>> THE GOVERNOR IS ON TRACK TO PERHAPS RAISE A RECORD AMOUNT OF CASH.

THE REMEMBER CAPS ARE SAYING CONSIDERING THE FACT JAMES CRAIG JUST GOT IN THE RACE HE'S DOING EXTREMELY WELL.

BUT I THINK THE NUMBERS ARE DAMNING.

>> THERE ARE 11 OTHER REMEMBER CAP CONTENDERS RUNNING FOR GLOVER GOVERNOR BUT THESE TWO ARE RAISING MORE THAN THE REST COMBINED.

GARRETT SAL DANO RAISED $495,000 FOR A TOTAL OF 1.1 MILLION.

AND THE ONLY FEMALE IN THE REPUBLICAN RACE TUDOR DIXON CAME IN WITH 200 15,000 FOR A TOTAL RAISED SO FAR 348,000.

>> I THINK HE'S DOING VERY WELL.

I THINK THAT'S IMPRESSIVE.

THE NUMBERS WE HAVE SEEN FROM TUDOR DIXON SO FAR INDICATE SHE'S ACTUALLY RAISED QUITE A BIT OF MONEY BUT SHE'S SPENDING A LOT TO RAISE A LOT.

SHE AND SOLE DAP OWE ARE THE CHIEF CONTENDERS OTHER THAN VAGUE.

>> THE REST OF THE CANDIDATES DID NOT MOVE THE NEEDLE MUCH ON THE FUND RAISING FRONT.

ALTHOUGH THIS MICHIGAN STATE POLICE CAPTAIN MIKE BROWN DID RAISE 14,500 AND HAS 6,800 ON HAND IT, WILL LIKELY TAKE MORE THAN THAT DO TO BEAT THE INCUMBENT WHO HAS PLENTY OF MILK IN HER REFRIGERATOR.

JORDAN, LET'S PICK UP THE CONVERSATION ON THE VAGUE ANGLE, DO YOU THINK HE SHOULD HAVE HAD A BIGGER NUMBER WITH MORE POP COMING OUT OF THE CHUTE HERE?

>> IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TO HIS CHANGE TO USE WHAT HAPPENED WITH HIS CAMPANA ANNOUNCEMENT, HE WAS IN THE NEWS EVERYWHERE FOR WHAT HAPPENED ON BELL ISLE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A WAY TO FISH FOR FUNDS RAISING AND HE DID REALLY UNDER PERFORM -- OR RATHER HE PERFORMED AS AS WELL ANYBODY MAYBE THOUGHT HE COULD.

BUT IN TERMS OF BEING ABOUT HE HAD ENTER THAN ANOTHER CANDIDATES.

BUT IT WAS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CRAIG CAMPAIGN TO GET MORE CASH OUT OF, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE I SAID THE BELL ISLE THING.

WHITMER USING THE ZONE LOOPHOLE THERE WERE A ANYBODY OF WAYS HE COULD HAVE GOT HIS NAME OUT THERE BUT DIDN'T.

LAUREN WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE MONEY THING?

>> I THINK THE CLEAR THE GOVERNOR IS WELL AHEAD OF ANY OF THE REMEMBER KANSAS DATZ AT THIS POINT AND AS WE ALL ALLUDED TO AT THE TOP OF THE SHOW THAT'S BECAUSE SHE IS CONTINUING TO USE THE RECALL LOOPHOLE TO ACTIVITY FUND RAISE TYPICAL CAMPAIGN SPENDING LIMIT, WE'LL SEE HOW LONG THAT GOES.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER ANYONE, YOU KNOW, TAKES UP A MANAGER CHALLENGE TO THAT FUNDS RAISING.

THERE IS OBVIOUSLY BEEN A LOT OF COMPLAINTS FROM REPUBLICANS, BUT, YOU KNOW, UNTIL THAT STORMS OR UNLESS IT DOES, YOU KNOW, SHE'S GOT A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ADVANTAGE OVER ANY OF THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE.

>> KYLE, YOUR 2 CENTS.

>> WELL, I THINK THAT THIS SHOWS THAT THERE IS REALLY ONLY THREE SERIOUS REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE AT THIS POINT RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR.

IF KEVIN RANKE WANTS TO GET INVOLVED HE CAN MAKE A FOURTH BUT WE HAVE A CANDIDATE RIGHT NOW THAT JUST IS RAISING NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO EVEN PAY IF THEIR EXPENSES RIGHT NOW.

EVERY SINGLE CAMPAIGN HAS GOT LESS CASH ON HAND THAN THEY HAVE RAISED IN THE CYCLE.

I'LL GIVE JAMES CRAIG A PASS BECAUSE THIS WAS HIS FIRST CYCLE THAT IS NOT WHAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING, YOU SHOULD, RAISING MONEY TO SWEPT YOUR BANK ACCOUNT NOT JUST TREAD WATER AND THAT'S WHAT IS GOING ON WITH TUDOR DIXON AND GARRETT SAL DANO THE ONLY CANDIDATES WHO IS RAISING ANYTHING, THEY ARE JUST TREADING WATER AND THAT'S A REAL PROBLEM.

AS FAR AS THE OTHER CANDIDATES, YOU MENTIONED CAPTAIN MIKE AND HE'S BEEN A NICE CANDIDATE TO COVER BUT HE'S RAISING STATE REPRESENTATIVE TYPE OF MON RIGHT NOW.

NOT GOVERNOR MONEY AND YOU HAVE TO WONDER AT WHAT POINT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE WILL REALIZE WE ARE NOT SHOWING THAT WE CAN BE COMPETITIVE EVENING THOUGH I AGREE WITH WHAT CHAD SAID EARLIER THE SUPER PACS DECIDES WHO IS CREDIBLE.

BUT RIGHT NOW I FOUND THE NUMBERS FROM THE G.O.P.

SIDE I CAN EXTREMELY UNDER WHELMING.

>> I WANT TO CHANGE MY HEAD LINE I THINK IT'S A THREE-PERSON RACE, CHAD.

>> IN THE G.O.P., YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

DOESN'T SEEM LIKE ANYBODY ELSE IS VIABLE.

IT'S QUESTIONABLE WHETHER DIXON AND SAL DANO CAN ACTUALLY COMPETE IN A PRIMARY AT THIS STAGE, THEY HAVE TO TURN UP THE GUNS IN FUND RAISING AND, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY, THEY MAY MAKE A DECISION, THIS IS STILL PRETTY EARLY IN THE GAME HEAR, FILING DEADLINE IS STILL SIX MONTHS OUT.

YOU JUST -- WE ARE NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THE TIME TO US, KNOW, DECIDE WHETHER YOU ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO GO FOR IT AND SOLDIER IN TO THE LATE SPRING AND IN THE SUMMER.

AND TAKE THIS THING TO THE VOTERS.

SO, YEAH, AND ALSO, SOMEONE ELSE COULD STILL HE AMERICAN.

I MAIN, KEVIN RANKE COULD ENTER OR SOME OTHER PERSON WHO, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WILL TAKE A SELF FUNDS TORE COMPETE ON DOLLARS WITH GRETCHEN WHITMER IT'S A MATTER OF WHETHER THEY HAVE THE MESSAGING TO COMPETE WITH GRETCHEN WHITMER RIGHT NOW THE MESS INNING WE ARE SEEING IN THE CAMPAIGN IS KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE.

YOU CAN SEE THIS WEEK JAMES CRAIG IS TRYING TO HIT THAT BET END HARBOR LEAD AND WATER DRUM.

EVEN THOUGH THESE FIRST SIGNS OF PROBLEMS HAVE LEAD AND WATER OCCURRED IN 2018.

BEFORE GRECHEN WHITNER BECAME THE GOVERNOR YOU'LL HE SEE OTHER STRATEGIES PARTICULARLY NO JAMES CRAIG HE HAS TO BREAKOUT OF I AM A COP.

THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TO EVEN SATISFY DONORS THEY WANT TO HEAR ACTUAL POLICY IDEAS THAT WILL MOVE THE STATE FORWARD AND TO WHEAT WITH GRETCHEN WHITMER ON BIG PICTURE ISSUES AND IDEAS.

>> JORDAN HOW ABOUT THE HOUSE AND SENATE, WE HAVE EVEN RUNNING FOR THOSE SEATS.

HOW DID THE "D" AND "R"S DO THERE?

>> IT'S OBVIOUS THAT WITH REDISTRICTING EVERYTHING IS UP IN THE AIR RIGHT NOW.

YOU HAVE INCUMBENTS FIRST TERMERS, SECOND TERMERS BEING DRAWN IN TO DISTRICTS WITH OTHER INCUMBENTS IN THOSE CASES YOU ARE SEEING INDIVIDUALS RAISE SERIOUS CASH, MATT HALL AND SARAH LIGHTER IN ARE IN THE SAME DISTRICT.

JOHN ROTH AND JACKO MALI.

ON THE DOWNS YOU HAVE THE SALE THING, YOU HAVE PEOPLE LIKE CAMERA BONED BEING DRAWN IN TO POTENTIALLY THE SAME DISTRICT.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THESE DISTRICTS ARE NOT FINALLY UP.

THAT COULD BE SUBJECT TO CHANGE, BUT THE PEOPLE BEING DRAWN IN TO COMPETITIVE DISTRICTS WITH THEIR OWN PARTY YOU ARE SEEING THEM RAISE SERIOUS CASH IN ANTICIPATION OF A COMPETITIVE CRIME ARE YOU.

AND IN THE VIMS WHO ARE MORE SAFE YOU ARE NOT SEEING THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT.

THAT SAID OVER ALL THE G.O.P.

RAISED FAR MORE THAN THE DECEMBERS NOT SURE HOW MANY CONSECUTIVE YEARS THAT'S BEEN, BUT IT'S REOCCURRING THING.

I BELIEVE THE G.O.P.

ADDED 2.4 OR $2.5 MILLION ON THE HAND AND THE DECEMBERS $1.3 MILLION ON HAND LITTLE SO THE DEMOCRATS HAVE TO REALLY SHORE UP IF THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEIR PARTY HAS THE FUNDS TO KEEP GOING.

NOT KEEP GOING, BUT, I MEAN, TO PUT UP A COMPETITIVE HOUSE RACE, IF THEY REALLY HOPE TO OBTAIN ANY LEADERSHIP IN THE HOUSE OR THE SENATE.

THEY NEED TO RAIL START FIRING UP THERE.

>> KYLE, JORDAN RAISE A GOOD POINT ON REDISTRICTING.

LET ME ASK A PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION, IF YOU ARE A MAJOR DONOR ARE YOU WAITING TO SEE WHERE THE DISTRICTS ARE OR DO YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT YOU LOVE AND YOU DON'T CARE WHERE THE DISTRICT IS IS AND YOU ARE OPENING YOUR CHECK BOOK.

WHICH IS IN PLAY IN OUR UP TO RIGHT NOW?

>> I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE CANDIDATES.

THERE ARE SOME' CANDIDATES LIKE STEVE CARA WHO SAID I DON'T CARE WHERE THE LINES ARE I AM RUNNING GO AHEAD AND OPEN COUPLE CHECK BOOK.

IF YOU ARE BACKED BY PRESIDENT -- FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP LIKE JORDAN LINDSEY IN THE 16TH STATE SENATE DISTRICT, HE IS GETTING ALL SORTS OF MONEY.

BUT WHAT I SAW IS THAT THERE DOESN'T TEAM TO BE AS MANY STATE REPRESENTATIVES AND STATE ACCEPT AT CANDIDATES THAN I AM USED TO SEEING AT THIS TIME IN AN ELECTION CYCLE.

I DIDN'T SEE A LOT OF MONEY RAISED BY NEWCOMERS.

I KNOW JORDAN MENTIONED INCUMBENT, AS FAR AS NEWCOMERS I SAW A COUPLE HERE AND THERE, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY, DID IF THEY DID FILE, RAISE ANYTHING MORE THAN 20 OR $30,000 WHICH IS VERY UNUSUAL.

I JUST THINK THAT UNTIL THESE LINES GET SOLIDIFIED, WE ARE NOT GOING TO SEE A LOT OF CANDIDATES JUMPING IN BECAUSE THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE THEY ARE RUNNING, THEY DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE GETTING THEIR MONEY FROM, YOU CAN GO FOR A NEIGHBORING DOWN THAT YOU THINK WILL BE IN YOUR DISTRICT BUT IT MAY NOT END UP BEING IN YOUR DISTRICT.

YOU JUST TOOK MONEY FROM SOMEBODY YOU ARE NOT GOING TO REPRESENT.

DO YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT?

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE OKAY WITH?

THAT'S THE PROBLEM THEY ARE FACING.

>> CHAD, YOUR TAKE ON THE HOUSE AND ACCEPT AT MONEY?

>> A LOT OF THIS IS JUST NORMAL OPERATIONS.

WHERE AS THEY ARE TAKING IN DONATIONS FOR THE NORMAL DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OF BEING A POLITICIAN.

AND SO SOME OF THESE DONATIONS, LET'S JUST TAKE THE MICHIGAN REALTORS PAC FOR INSTANCE, THEY MIGHT RUN CHECKS AFTER THE 2:00 A.M. VOTE IN THE HOUSE ON THE AIRBNB BILL.

THAT'S SIMPLE POLITICS OF LEGISLATING AND AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY TIED TO SUPPORT IN OUR CERTAINLY PRIMLY NEXT YEAR, THOSE SUPPORT AND DOLLARS ARE GOING TO WORK THEIR WAY OUT.

AGAIN, PROBABLY NOT UNTIL SPRING WHEN WE KIND OF HAVE A REAL SENSE OF WHERE EVEN IS GOING, AND WHERE ALL THE LINE ARE GOING.

>> LAUREN, SINCE THE "R" WORD HAS BEEN RAISED, REDISTRICTING.

WHAT HAPPENED AT THE COMMISSION THIS WEEK, FIRST OF ALL A DEATH THREAT, THEN A CLOSED DOOR, SECRET MEETING.

EXPLAIN.

>> IT'S BEEN A PRETTY WILD WEEK TO COVER REDISTRICTING, YES.

THERE WAS AN EMAILED DEATH THREAT TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

THEY OPENED IT SHORTLY AFTER 1:00 P.M. ON WEDNESDAY.

THE MEETING GOT DELAYED FOR A LITTLE OVER TWO HOURS WHILE THE MSUPD INVESTIGATED THAT AND 20 DEEMED AN ACTIVE THREAT OR ONE THAT WAS OF ANY SIGNIFICANT DANGER TO ANYONE ON CAMPUS THAT DAY.

STILL KIND OF A SCARY EVENT.

AFTER THAT THEY WENT IN TO CLOSED SESSION, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THEY HAVE DONE THAT, AND IMMEDIATELY THAT WAS MET WITH PRETTY INTENSE CRITICISM .

THERE IS A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THEY HAVE THE CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.

THEY WERE DISCUSSING THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT AND A HISTORY OF DISCRIMINATION IN MICHIGAN TO LEGAL MEMOS ABOUT SUBJECTS THAT WERE THE BIGGEST THAT WERE THE BIGGEST TOPICS ESPECIALLY IN THE DETROIT AREA.

AND THERE ARE ALREADY TWO LAW MAKE THAT'S HAVE ASKED THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR AN OPINION ON WHETHER THIS WAS CONSTITUTIONAL.

THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION IS DEFENDING IT.

BUT THERE WILL BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS MOVING FORWARD.

YESTERDAY WAS ALWAYS INTENSE THEY STARTED LOOKING AT TWEAKING THE DISTRICT, BUT STILL WASN'T VERY MUCH DISCUSSION ABOUT THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT WHICH IS WHAT EVERYBODY IS WONDERING.

>> KYLE ARE WE ON THE PRECIPICE OF WRITING THE STORY THAT THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION IS THE GANG THAT CAN'T SHOOT STRAIGHT?

>> I DON'T KNOW, I HAVE BEEN WRITE THAT GO STORY FOR A WHILE.

THIS CONVERSATION BUILDING WHETHER THEY SHOULD -- HOW THEY SHOULD BE INTERPRET REGULAR THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT IS ONE THAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED SIX MONTHS AGO.

EVEN NINE MONTHS AGO.

THIS IS A CORNERSTONE TO THE REST OF THESE MAPS IF THEY CAN'T GET IT RIGHT, AS THE -- HOW MINORITIES ARE REPRESENTED IN CONGRESS OR THE STATE LEGISLATURE, THE WHOLE THING FALSE.

AND IT'S NOT JUST A STATE COURT THEY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.

THAT IS A FEDERAL COURT ISSUE.

AND THE PROBLEM WITH IT BEING NOT FEDERAL COURT IS THE FEDERAL COURT CAN JUST TAKE A LOOK AT OUR CONSTITUTION AND SAY THAT THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION HAS TO DRAW THE MAPS AND SAY, ISN'T THAT CUTE.

YOU GUYS CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET MINORITIES PROPERLY REPRESENTED SO WE'LL DO IT FOR.

NOT SAYING THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN JUST SAYING THAT IT COULD HAPPEN.

THAT'S A PROBLEM WHEN SPEND APRIL AND MAY DEBATE BIG WHETHER OR NOT TO SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND WORRYING ABOUT LOW TIER HIRES AS OPPOSED TO HASHING THIS OUT.

THEY ARE WAY PAST WHEN THE CONSTITUTION SAYS THEY SHOULD BE HAPPENING THEIR FINAL MAPS OUT NOW THEY ARE DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT AND STICKING THEIR ATTORNEYS IN THE BACKROOM TO HAVE WHAT SHOULD BE AN OPENING DISCUSSION WHEN THERE IS NOT SOMETHING SUBJECT TO ACT OF LITIGATION WHICH IS WHEN YOU DO GO IN TO CLOSED ACCEPTING WITH AN ATTORNEY, IT'S RIDICULOUS, REALLY, TIM.

>> CHAD, IN DEFENSE OF THE COMMISSION THIS IS BRAND-NEW WE HAVE BEFORE BEEN HERE BEFORE THEY ARE WRITING THE SCRIPT AS WE GO ALONG, DO WE CUT THEM GRACE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT GETTING IT RIGHT SO FAR OR MAYBE THEY HAVE?

>> YES, DEMOCRACY IS MESSY AND THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, BUT KYLE IS RIGHT, THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD A LOT OF THIS STUFF HASHED OUT MONTHS AGO.

WHEN THEY WENT IN TO THE, I KNOW, LONG ARDUOUS PROCESS OF DRAWING EVERY SINGLE BOUNDARY AND THEY JUST -- THERE IS A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONAL ASPECTS OF THIS COMMISSION.

THAT LOOK LIKE THEY WERE NOT THOUGHT THROUGH OR PUT TOGETHER IN ADVANCE.

DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE HAD A YEAR TO PLAN FOR IT.

HAD ALL OF LAST AREA, YES, IT WASN'T THE GREATEST YEAR TO DO A LOT OF PLANNING, BUT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY GET TOGETHER AND MEET REMOTELY AND FIGURED IT OUT.

WE FIGURED OUT HOW TO CONTINUE RUNNING THE GOVERNMENT IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS AND SO YOU CAN CUT THE COMMISSION SOME SLACK, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME AND WHATNOT.

BUT IT'S GETTING DOWN TO A PRETTY CRITICAL JUNCTURE HERE AND IF IT DOESN'T GET DECIDED AND DOESN'T GET FIGURED OUT.

IT WILL GET BOUNCED TO THE COURTS AND ALL OF THAT PROCESS MIGHT HAVE BEEN FOR NOT.

>> JORDAN?

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT I COULD SAY THAT HASN'T POSSIBLY BEEN ALREADY SAID.

ALL I KNOW IS THAT BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ARE NOT PLEASED WITH THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION.

SO THIS IS A GREAT CHANCE OF BIPARTISANSHIP TO LET THE REDISTRICTING COMMITTEE KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT HAPPY AND THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING ARE NOT HOW THEY SHOULD BE.

LIKE CHAD SAID DEMOCRACY IS MERCY AND WE SHOULD GIVE THEM A LITTLE GRACE BUT AS KYLE POINTED OUT A LOT OF WAFFLING IN THE BEGINNING AND NOW MAKING UP FOR LOST TIME WHEN I BELIEVE THE MAPS ARE DO AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

THE CLOCK IS TICKING AND WE HAVE ON GET IT FIGURED OUT.

>> KYLE, LET'S LOOK AT THE COVID NUMBERS IT LOOKED FOR A NANOSECOND THAT THE NUMBERS WERE GOING DOWN AND THEY ARE GOING RIGHT BACK UP.

WE ARE NOT OUT OF THE WOODS ON THIS THING YET.

>> YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE TEMPERATURES ARE GOING DOWN AND HISTORY HAS SHOWN THAT THAT MEANS COVID NUMBERS ARE GOING UP AS MORE PEOPLE GO INSIDE AND THEY CONGRESS GATE AND FEWER PEOPLE ARE WEARING MASKS.

I KNOW LIKE THE PRESS LIP CENTER IS REQUIRING FOLKS TO WEAR MASKS WHEN I WAS AT THE MICHIGAN STATE GAME THIS PAST WEEK.

BUT IN GENERAL, WE ARE JUST NOT SEEING A LOT OF MASK WEARING IF YOU ARE NOT VACCINATED THE CHANCES OF YOU GETTING COVID SYMPTOMS GO UP.

AND SO NOW I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW MUCH IS THAT POP -- OR HOW LARGE IS THAT POPULATION OF UNVACCINATED PEEL.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE REALLY KNOW WHAT THE TOP IS ON THAT.

>> LAUREN.

>> YEAH, I THINK KYLE IS TRY LITTLE THE TRENDS SHOW WE ARE ENTERING ANOTHER PERIOD THAT IS A POPE SHALL CAUSE FOR CONCERN HERE ESPECIALLY AS WE GET IN TO FLU SEASON AS WELL.

OTHER ILLNESSES ARE ALSO NOT GOING AWAY.

SO THAT'S POTENTIALLY ALSO AN ISSUE.

AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE FLU, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE WERE WEARING MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCE, YOU KNOW, WE SAW A DIP IN THOSE NUMBERS BUT AS KYLE SAID, A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST SIMPLY REPORT WEARING MASKS ANYMORE.

AND SO WE ARE MOVING IN TO A PHASE WHERE WE HAVE BEEN IN A PHASE FOR A WHILE WHERE PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF THE PANDEMIC, AND YET THE PANDEMIC IS STILL HERE.

THE NUMBERS ARE ON A SLOW CLIMB AND IT'S A CAUSE FOR CONCERN BUT WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY MOVEMENT FROM THE STATE SOME LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE TAKEN ACTION BUT WE ARE NOT SEEING A CONCERTED EFFORT BY THE STATE TO PUT ANY RESTRICTIVE MEASURES IN PLACE AT THIS POINT.

>> AND CHAD, NEXT WEEK EVEN WILL BE WRITING ABOUT THE FIVE TO 11 YEAR OLDS WHO ARE NOW ELIGIBLE FOR THE SHOTS AND IT WILL TOUCH OFF ANOTHER ROUND OF DO WE OR DON'T WE.

>> WELL, YEAH.

AND RIGHT NOW THIS IS JUST EMERGENCY AUTHORIZATION THAT THEY ARE SEEKING FOR THE CURRENT GROUP OF KIDS, BUT THE LONG-TERM HERE IS IF THIS GETS PERMANENT APPROVAL FROM THE FDA, THEN DO SCHOOLS AND DOES THE STATE SUPERINTENDENT AND SCHOOL BOARD MOVE TO REQUIRE A COVID VACCINE GOING FORWARD JUST LIKE MEASLES, MUCH PES AND POLIO AND EVERYTHING ELSE WE HAVE TRIED TO IRRADICATE OVER THE LAST CENTURY AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE FIGHT.

THAT FIGHT MIGHT BE SIX, NINE, 10 MONTHS FROM NOW STILL.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF PARENT GOING OUT TO GET THEIR KIDS VACCINATED AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BRING SOME STABILITY BECAUSE OUR ECONOMY IS STILL RACK WILD PEOPLE NOT WORKING BECAUSE THEY ARE HOME WITH KIDS THEY CAN'T GO BACK TO WORK BECAUSE THERE IS AN ENDLESS CYCLE OF QUARANTINES OR KIDS GETTING COVID.

AND SO HOPEFULLY THAT BRINGS A LITTLE STABILITY ON THE ADULT POPULATION, IT LOOKS LIKES WE ARE MAXED OUT.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO CONVINCE TOO MANY MORE ADULTS TO GET THIS VACCINE.

AND THE ONLY THING THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE THAT IS IF YOU START HITTING THEIR POCKET BOOKS WITH LIKE THE PROPOSED -- THE PRESIDENT'S PROPOSED VACCINE MANDATE FOR EVERY EMPLOYER WITH MORE THAN 100 EMPLOYEES.

THIS IS A TWO-MONTH OLD PROPOSAL THAT STILL HAS NOT BEEN INTRODUCED BY THE FEDERAL OSHA DEPARTMENT.

IT'S LIKE THE MOST MIND BOGGLING THING RIGHT NOW.

THE PRESIDENT LAYS THIS OUT IN AUGUST AND WE HAVE NOT HEARD HIDE NOR HAIR YET FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ABOUT IT.

MEANWHILE, MEANWHILE EVERY BUSINESS GROUP IN TOWN AND ELSEWHERE IS MOBILIZE TO GO PUSH BACK AND FIGHT IT AND GUM IT UP IN COURTS AND WE ARE WATCHING COVID CASES RAISES WHICH I WOULD SAY ARE ABOUT 10,000 MORE PER WE CAN RIGHT NOW THAN WE WERE AT THIS TIME LAST YEAR BEFORE THE NOVEMBER SURGE.

REALLY OVER TOOK OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM RIGHT BEFORE THANKSGIVING.

>> AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT GETTING THE SHOT, WE HAD POLLING DATA OUT THIS WEEK THAT SUGGESTS HERE IS WHAT THOSE PEOPLE LOOK LIKE.

JUST OVER 53% OF MICHIGAN RESIDENT ARE FULLY VACCINATED.

THERE IS ANOTHER HARDCORE BETWEEN 17 AND 20% WHO SIMPLY REFUSE FORGET THE SHOT NO MATTER WHAT.

AND THIS POLL STORE REPORTS THEIR PROFILE LOOKS LIKE THIS, 71%.

NO VAXERS, NO COLLEGE.

70% ARE REPUBLICANS.

AND 66% ARE FROM UP NORTH.

>> IN A LARGE WAY, THIS IS AN ISSUE OF OUT STATE REPUBLICAN MEN WHO WILL NOT GET VACCINATED.

AND THEY ARE REPUBLICAN MEN UNDER THE AGE OF 50.

39% OF REPUBLICAN MEN ARE TELLING US THEY WILL IF THE GET VACCINATED FROM COVID.

>> AND THE RESEARCH ALSO SHOWS THAT THESE CITIZENS ARE NOT WATCHING OR READING LOCAL NEWS.

INSTEAD THEY ARE GOING HERE FOR THEIR NEWS.

>> PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY WON'T GET THE SHOT WHERE THEY PRIMARILY GET THEIR NEWS 40% OF THEM SAY THEY WON'T -- THAT THEY GET THEIR PRIMARY NEWS FROM SOCIAL MEDIA OR WEBSITES.

SO PLACES LIKE FACEBOOK, OR THESE WEBSITES, THESE NONMAINSTREAM WEBSITES.

AND ANOTHER 14 -- 15% GET THEIR PRIMARY NEWS FROM FOX.

>> AND TO COMPLETE THE PROFILE, 9% OF THOSE FOLKS NOT WANT TO GO GET THE VACCINE ARE CONVINCED COVID IS NOT REAL.

QUOTE, IT'S A LIE.

KYLE WHAT DO YOU MAKE THAT HAVE PROFILE?

>> I THINK THAT'S PRETTY SPOT ON.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS A VERY INTERESTING ANALYSIS.

I LEARNED QUITE A BIT FROM THAT.

AND JUST KIND OF SHOWS WHERE THE POPULATION IS, THAT YOU CAN'T CRACK THEM.

NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO.

AND YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THEY SURVIVE FOR THEIR SAKE.

>> LAUREN.

>> I CAN'T RECALL I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO SAID IT IN THE LAST ROUND HERE, BUT I THINK IT WAS THERE IS JUST A SUBSET OF THE POPULATION WHO WILL NEVER GET THE VACCINE.

AND WE HAVE SEEN THAT PEOPLE WHO DO NOT GET THE VACCINE ARE HAVING WORSE SYMPTOMS, THEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE HOSPITALIZED IF THEY DO GET COVID.

SO I THINK, YEAH, I AGREE THAT POLL AND PROFILE IS PRETTY INTERESTING.

AND I GUESS WE'LL JUST HAVE TO SEE HOW THAT CONTINUES IMPACTING MICHIGAN'S POPULATION.

THERE ARE ISSUES WITH KEEP HOSPITAL BEDS OPEN, TO SOME EXTENT THERE IS CONCERN HERE THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN AGAIN IF OUTBREAKS OCCUR AMONG THE UNVACCINATED AND THAT'S A VERY REAL POSSIBILITY.

>> CHAD, IS IT A POSSIBILITY THAT THIS HARDCORE GROUP WOULD BE MOVED BY THE FACT THAT PEOPLE IN THEIR FAMILIES START TO DIE AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T WISH THAT UPON ANYBODY?

>> WELL, TIM, IT HAPPENS TO BE THAT THIS POLL CORRESPONDS WITH REAL TIME HOSPITAL DATA THAT SHOWS 57% OF THE 2100 PEOPLE IN THE HOSPITAL IN MICHIGAN RIGHT NOW FOR COVID-19 LIVE OUTSIDE OF SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN.

AND THIS IS -- THIS OUT STATE NUMBER THAT -- OUT STATE NUMBER OF PEOPLE HOSPITALIZED FOR COVID HAS BEEN DOYLE DOMINATING THE NUMBER FOR TWO MONTHS NOW.

I MEAN, IT'S LIKE THE ONLY TIME DURING THE PANDEMIC WE HAVE HAD THIS CONSISTENCY WHERE THE REST OF THE STATE HAS GOT MORE PEOPLE IN HOSPITAL THAN SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN HOSPITALS DO.

AND MAYBE THAT HITS HOME FOR SOME PEOPLE.

I DON'T KNOW.

BUT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SO FAR IT IS NOT MOVING THE NEEDLE AND THAT'S LARGELY WHY WE SEE THE POLICIES THAT WE SEE.

THE STATE, THE GOVERNOR HAS -- >> JUMP IN, CHAD.

>> IT'S NOT MANAGE MANAGE TO GO CHANGE TOO MUCH.

>> WHO WINS AND BY WHAT MARGIN, JORDAN?

>> I SAW MSU BY THREE.

BUT I AM ALSO A CMU GRAD SO I HAVE NO STAKE HERE.

>> SO IS THE GUY NEXT TO YOU, CHAD CHECK IN.

>> YEAH, FIRE UP SHIPS, I SAY MICHIGAN BY SEVEN.

>> KYLE.

>> MICHIGAN BY 15.

>> LAUREN.

>> I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT KYLE IS AN MSU GRAD.

MSU BY 7.

>> MSU BY 10.

FIND OUT NEXT WEEK IF WE ARE RIGHT.

WE'LL PLAY THE TAPE BACK.

IF NOT WE'LL BURY IT.

SEE YOU THEN.

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