WELCOME BACK.

OUR GUEST THIS WEEK IS PATRICK ANDERSON WANTING A NO VOTE ON PROP ONE, THE TERM LIMIT BALLOT QUESTION.

OUR LEAD STORY, THE NEW POLL IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE AND OTHERS.

ON THE OTR PANEL, DAVID BOUCHER, ZOE CLARK AND CHAD LIVENGOOD.

SIT IN WITH US AS WE GET THE INSIDE OUT, OFF THE RECORD.

>> PRODUCTION OF OFF THE RECORD IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY: AND NOW THIS EDITION OF OFF THE RECORD WITH TIM SKUBICK.

>> THANKS VERY MUCH WELCOME TO OFF THE RECORD HERE IN STUDIO C. ARE WE READY FOR THIS TO BE OVER?

CAN I GET AN AMEN FROM ANYBODY?

A FABULOUS WAY TO START THE SHOW.

CHANGE THE DIAL.

PLEASE DONE.

ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE POLLING DATA TAN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE.

LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE NUMBERS.

GOVERNOR GRETCHEN WHITMER'S LEAD IS EXPANDING NOW TO 17 POINTS?

AMOUNT OF 17-POINT LEAD OVER HER REPUBLICAN OPPONENT AND STATE ATTORNEY GENERALS AHEAD BY 12 POINTINGS OVER HER OPPONENT THE CHALLENGE FORMAT THU TRYING TO UNSEAT IS THAT 71% OF STRONG REPUBLICANS HAVE NEVER HEARD OF HIM AND 74% OF THOSE SAME STRONG REPUBLICANS DON'T KNOW GOP SECRETARY OF STATE CANDIDATE KATRINA.

WELL, GOVERNOR WHITMER IS ALMOST AT 50% SUPPORT AND REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE TUDOR DIXON CONTINUES TO HOVER AROUND 32 BUT THE REPUBLICAN START TO POUR MONEY INTHE CAMPAIGN, THIS POLLSTER REFLECTS -- DOES MONEY POUR IN TO SUPPORT DISK NON-IF IT DOES, THIS RACE BECOMES CLOSE.

I DON'T THINK SHE WINS, BUT BOY, IT BECOMES A CLOSE RACE AGAIN.

>> THE PROBLEM WITH MISS DIXON IS SHE CAN NO CORE ROLLED ALL THE REPUBLICAN VOTES SO FAR.

THE DEMOCRAT IS GETTING 21% OF THOSE WHO LEAN REPUBLICANS.

>> WHERE SHE IS WEAK TO BRING ALL OF THOSE REPUBLICANS BACK ON, OR AT LEAST A LOT OF THOSE BACK ON, WHICH WOULD MAKE THIS A SINGLE DIGIT RACE AGAIN WITHIN TEN POINTS MEANWHILE THE GOVERNOR CONTINUES TO HOVER AROUND 50% HERSELF.

WHITMORE'S NUMBERS ARE NOT GROWING.

SHE IS KIND OF AT A CAP RIGHT NOW AND THAT IS WHO HE PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY TO DIXON IF SHE HAS ANY MONEY.

RIGHT NOW, ON HE IN NY FRONT, GOVERNOR WHITMER HAS HUGE LEAD.

THE QUESTION IS.

CAN MISS DISKOP CATCH UP?

AND THERE IS THE QUESTION, DAVID.

>> YEAH.

OF COURSE.

IT IS, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS STILL A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, BUT PEOPLE ARE ALREADY VOTE RIGHT NOW.

THERE IS A COUPLE OF DEBATES COMING UP IN THEY WERE RY THOSE COULD BE MOMENTS THAT THE DIXON CAMPAIGN USES TO GET THAT MONEY IN AND PUTS ADVERTISING ON TV AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BUT THE RACE IS TIGHTENING A LITTLE BIT.

CAN YOU OVERCOME 17 POINTS IT IS A TOUGH RACE.

CAN YOU OVERCOME 14 MILLION.

WELL, THAT IS EXACTLY IT.

SOME OF THIS GUESS BACK TO NAME RECOGNITION.

RIGHT?

AND THE FACT AS YOU NOTE, IN THAT SETUP PIECE.

FOLK DON'T ACTUALLY EVEN KNOW WHO SOME OF THE STATEWIDE CANDIDATES ARE SOME 30 PLUS DAYS OUT.

THE POINT -- YOU KNOW THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S RACE HAS BUN THERA DOOR AND OK, I DEFY TO YOU NAME THE LAST THREE YEAR NINE CANDIDATES THAT RAN FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE THAT WERE NOT THE INCUMBENT.

WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE AFTER A 2020 ELECTION WHERE EVERYBODY THOUGHT THEY WERE EX PER IN HOW PAL LOTS ARE COUNTED THEN HOW VOTING WORKS THE WHOLE PROCESS THIS RACE MAY GARN EAR LITTLE BIT OF ATTENTION AFTER THE CANDIDATE FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY SORT OF ROSE TO PROMINENCE FROM BEING WHAT WAS THEN TCF CENTER AND THIS BACK AND FORTH OVER WHETHER THIS WAS ELECTION FRUD AND STILL NOT SEEING EVENTS ARE THE EVENTS.

WE ARE NOT SEEING EVENT.

HERE AND THERE.

THEN OUT HERE SINCE APRIL AND 70 PERCENT OF VOTERS DON'T KNOW WHO THIS RE.

THAT IS A HUGE CALL THAT LENGTH FOR THEM.

SO MUCH OR THE HEAD START BY STARTING OUT IN APRIL.

CHAD?

>> YEAH.

THINK WE NEED TOTRY TO ALSO DISPEL THIS HISTORICALLAL COMPARISON TO JOHN ENGLER.

>> PLEASE.

PLEASE.

>> WHAT DOES JOHN ENGLER HAVE VERSUS TUDOR DIXON?

20 YEARS.

AN ENTIRE POLITICAL MACHINE OUT OF ISABELLA COUNTY.

>> A INIC CAN HE'LL.

YES.

>> FOR THOSE THAT WERE NOT ALIVE BE WHERE WENT AROUND THE STATE GIVING OUT FIVE CENTS TO EVERYBODY, IT COST HIM A BUNDLE ABOUT IT WAS WORTH I.

THIS IS HOW YOU MUCH GET THERE THE PROPERTY TAX PLAN.

THAT THING WORKED.

>> IT DID.

>> SHE DOES NOT HAVE A HOOK.

SHE DOES NOT HAVE A MESSAGE.

WHAT WHITMER STILL HAS IS ABORTION AND ROE V. WADE.

FURTHER DOWN IN THE DETROIT NEWS POLL, THE BIG THING THAT REALLY SHOWS UP 61% OF SUPPORT FOR PROPOSAL 3 THE ABORTION RIGHTS END AMENDMENT AND AMONG REPUBLICAN LEANING WOMEN 50% OF THOSE, OF THOSE VOTERS ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS.

WHERE AS OVER 50% MAJORITY FOR CATHOLIC, LUTHERAN, BAP TEST, NONDENOMINATIONAL CHRISTIANS ARE GETTING DESTROYED REPUBLICANS ARE GETTING DESTROY ON THIS ISSUE AND NOT HAD A COUNTER MESS AMENDMENT AND BECAUSE TUDOR DIXON IS SO STRINGENT ON THIS AND DOESN'T, DOESN'T SUPPORT ANY TYPE OF EXCEPTIONS EXCEPT FOR LIFE OF THE MOTHER THERE IS NOT ANY WIGGLE ROOM.

WE SAW LAST WEAK, SHE WAS BASICALLY PUBLICLY PLEADING FOR THE DEMOCRATS TO STOP MAKING THIS ISSUE.

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO STOP MAKING IT AN ISSUE.

>> OR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEN THE MICHIGAN SUPREME COURT FINALLY MADE PROPOSAL 3 OR MADE PUT PROPOSAL 3 ON THE BALLOT APTITUDOR DIXON TWEETED NOW YOU CAN VOTE IN FAVOR OF ABORTION RIGHTS BY VOTING IN FAVOR OF PROPOSAL 3 AND ALSO VOTING FOR ME.

>> TRYING TO SEPARATE ISSUES?

>> RIGHT.

RIGHT.

SO AGAIN, I MEAN, I THINK IS GRAMSING ON TO ANYTHING AT THIS POINT.

WHETHER IT BE 17 POINTS AND EVEN IF YOU TAKE THAT DOWN LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF MARGIN OF ERROR.

MEAN, YOU ARE STILL LOOKING AT YOU OH, DOUBLE DIGITS 30 DAYS OUT.

TODAY'S WITH ABSENTEE BALLOTS HAVE ALREADY GONE OUT AND FOLKS ARE ALREADY VOTING.

REPUBLICAN VOTERS REALLY NEED TO START ASKING, WHAT GOOD DOES DONALD TRUMP'S ENDORSEMENT DO IF DONALD TRUMP DOES NOT BRING CAMPAIGN MONEY TO A CANDIDATE.

THEN, THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED.

HE ENDORSE THE CANDIDATE FRIDAY BEFORE THE PRIMARY, THEN, HE HAS STARVED HER.

THE DeVOS FAMILY ALSO ENDORSED THE CANDIDATE HAS BEEN SITTING OUT, EVER SINCE THE PRIMARY.

FINANCIALLY.

AT LEAST.

>> YES.

>> AND SO, SO, WHATS THE POINT OF THIS PROCESS IF OF HAVING THE KINGMAKERS MAKE SOMEONE THE NOMINEE WITHOUT ACTUALLY BRINGING THE MONEY THAT IS NECESSARY TO TRY GO UP AGAINST SOMEONE LIKE.

>> WELL, THAT KINGMAKER, HERE IN THE STATE, LASTING WEEK, FOR YOU KNOW, A RALLY SHALL THEN EXPECT THE FIRST HOUR TWO OF HOURS TALKING ABOUT HIMSELF.

>> WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE SEEN FROM HIM IN EVERY RALLY FOR YEARS.

ON ONE HAND, IT IS NOT TOUCH OF A SHOCK.

>> WE HAVE, TO BE FAIR, THE FAMILY STARTED TO DONATE TOW MICHIGAN REPUBLICAN PARTY AND SHOW THEY HAVE GIVEN ROUGHLY 350,000 TO THE PARTY ITSELF.

EXACTLY.

IT IS NOT COMING DO IN THE RACES WHERE TO EVERYBODY'S POINT, YOU KNOW, THE FAMILY GOT IN TO THE PREMMARY FOR GOVERNOR, DIXON, THAT HELPED HER EMERGE.

WE HAVE SEEN MATT AEAR WITH THE FAMILY RECENTLY AT AN EVENT.

IS IT TOO LITTLE TOO LATE ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES EVERYONE KNOWS GOVERNOR WHITMER'S CAMPAIGN SLOW GN AND COMPLETELY FAIR WHETHER OR NOT THE ROADS ARE FIXED AND RESONATES WITH REPUBLICAN VOTERS AND MUCH HARDER TO EXSUGGEST BANNING BOOBS THAT RESONATES IF.

WELL, HERE IS THE FOR THE FRIDAY THERE IS ONE TO THIS CAMPAIGN.

THEY RAZZ TRYING TO TRUMP BASE AND GET MORE TRIM FOAM THE POLLS IF THEY -- LOOK, MR. TRUMP GOT 2,200,000 ADDITIONAL VOTING IN M MY THE LAST TIME HE RAN FOR PRESIDENT AM I NOT FOR CORE VOK THE FOLK ARES THROUGHOUT AND THINK THE RAW MEAT STUFF THEY ARE PUTTING ON THE TABLE ON ISSUES YOU RAISED WILL DRIVE THEM UP AND THEY CAN WEN.

>> YEAH.

BUT THE POLLING SHOWS THE INDEPENDENT VOTERS ACTUALLY THINK THE ROADS ARE BETTER CONDITION THAN THEY WERE FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN WE ASKED LIKE IN EARLY SEPTEMBER POLL W WHO DO YOU BLAME FOR THE ROADS BEING IN POOR CONDITION AND BLAME PAST GOVERNORS THEN THEY BLAME CITIES I HAVE BEEN STUDYING THIS FAR LOSS WE ASKED THE QUESTION SEW FESS KAY INDICATEDLY SO, SO THEY JUST, THEY BLAMED EVERYBODY BUT THE GOVERNOR.

>> THE RESPONSE IS SOPHISTICATED.

IT WAS.

WAS ACTUALLY.

WAS SURPRISED THEY WOULD BLAME PAST LEMMING A SLAY TURES.

PEOPLE ALSO, ALSO STARTING TO GET.

LIKE, THE ROADS YOU DRIVE ARE ON THE POLICY OF THE STATE LEDGE LG LEGISLATURE WHO FUNDS THEM.

THE PEOPLE WERE ASKING IF DONALD TRUMP ENDORSES SOMEBODY HOW LIKELY TO JUMP ONBOARD AND THE NUMBERS NOT EVERRING IT MA MAKES NO DIFFERENCE SO THIS IS EVENTUALLY HELPING YOU GET TO 33%.

>> SOLID 33%.

>> BUT THAT WILL LEAD TO LOSING BY 17 POINTS AND IT WOULD BE HISTORIC LOSS FOR REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE IF THAT HAPPEN.

THES DEBATE NICKS WEEK AND THEN ANOTHER ONE AFTER THAT ON THE 25th ALL RIGHT THE COURTS, THE COURTS, BASS HI, TOSSED OUT THE FLINT WATER CRISIS AGAINST SOME OF THE 7 PEOPLE NOT THE GOVERNOR MR. SNYDER BUT OTHERS.

>> YES.

SO HIS FORMER HEALTH DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR WHO IS IN CHARGE OF MANSLAUGHTER OVER THE DEATHS RELATED TO THE FLINT WATER TAINTED FLINT WATER BACK IN 2014 AND 2015 THE SECOND TIME THE CHARGES ARE BEEN DISMISSED BUT THE FIRST TIME THEY WERE DISMISSED ROLL LUN TARLE BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DAN NEST ALE OFFICE PAUSE THEY WANTED TO REDO THE INVESTIGATION AND THEY DID.

THEY DID.

THAT WAS THREE YEARS AGO AND WENT TO USE ONE MAN GRAND JURY USE AGONAL TO ISSUE INDICTMENTS AND THEN THAT THAT GOT CHAL LPED THEN THE SUPREME COURT CAME DOWN WITH A HANG ON DECISION AND THIS JUDGED INTO CHOICE BUT THE JUDGMENT TO DISMISS THEM AND NOW BACK TO SQUARE ONE OVER THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

WHAT DOES THE AG DO INACIN, TO BE CHEER.

THERE ARE SPECIAL PROSECUTORS IN THE CASE.

RIGHT?

SO THE WAYNE COUNTY PROSECUTOR IS LEADING THE PROSECUTION FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND NESTLE SAID SHE PEAR HEADED THE CIVIL LITIGATION SIDE OF THIS AND KIM OUT THE DAZE AFTER AND SAID THEY HAD CAPACITY TO CONTINUE TO BRING CHAPS AND HAVE NOT DECIDED WHETHER THEY WILL DOLL THIS AND OF COURSE WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE ATTORNEYS REPRESENTING THE DEFENDANT SAYING THAT IS LUDICROUS BUT NOT COME OUT RIGHT.

DIDN'T SAY SEASON WITH SAY WE GOT YOUR BACK WHICH GAVE ILLUSION WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE ON THIS WAY WHY ARE YOU SMILING.

>> I AM NOT SURE IT IS SMILING IS THE RIGHT WORD.

6 THIS IDEA AFTER YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS OF ONE HISTORIC FAILURE OF GOVERNMENT IN THIS STATE THERE ARE STILL FOLKS IN FLINT WHO FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE NOT GOT WHAT IS DUE TO THEM AFTER.

UNDERSTANDABLY.

>> I THINK THIS IS WHAT YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LOT OF DEBATE, TOO, WHETHER ABOUT WHETHER CIVIL SERVANTS SHOULD BE THE ONES WHO ARE IN TROUBLE FACING LEGAL CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE OF THIS.

AND SO, IT JUST FEELS LIKE YET ANOTHER REALLY SAD CHAPTER RIGHT LIKE I AM TALKING SADNESS LESS ABOUT WHETHER YOU ARE FOR OR AGAINST WHAT HAPPENED HOOLLY AND JUST ANOTHER CHAPTER IN THIS STORY THAT FEELS LIKE IT HAS NOT REACHED A CONCLUSION FOREFEEL BEES WHO NEED SOME HEALING.

THE GOOD NEWS IS THEY ARE DOWN TO 5% OF THE LEAD PIPES BEING REPLACED SO THE MAJOR PROGRESS IS BOEING MADE ON THAT FRONT PRESIDENT?

WHERE DOES IT END UP IN THIS IS STILL A CITY THAT HAS LOST 30% OF THIS HE POPULATION IN THE DECADE BECAUSE OF THIS TRAUMA AND WE CANNOT LOSE SIGHT OF THAT AND THIS CITY HAS SUFFERED IMMENSE BECAUSE OF BAD DECISION MAKING BY GOVERNMENT AND THE QUESTION IS ALSO WE ARE GOING TO CRIMINALIZE BAD DECISION MAKING AND IN GOVERNMENT.

>> FER PKLY PUT.

THEN THAT IS STILL YET TO BE DECIDED.

ALL RIGHT WELL TAKE ABOUT THE TERM ALMOST MIT PROPOSAL.

MR. ANDERSON, PLEASE.

[LAUGHTER] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST LIVE GUEST SORT OF THAT WE HAD SINCE THE PANDEMIC.

>> IT IS.

>> IN STUDIO.

[LAUGHTER] >> THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

CAN WE RETAPE THAT?

>> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

GOOD TO HE.

>> YOU.

IT IS THE SKY GOING TO FALL IF THIS PROPOSAL PASSES IN STATE GOVERNMENT?

>> THE SKY WON'T FALL, BUT TWO VERY BAD THINGS WILL AND PEN.

NUMBER ONE, TERM LIMITS WILL BE GONE.

NOT STRENGTHENED.

REDUCED.

NOT ENHANCED.

REPEALED.

THAT IS WHY I BROUGHT THE TEXT.

BECAUSE PEOPLE THAT READ PROPOSAL ONE THEY VOTE NO ON PROPOSAL ONE IF YOU READ THE TEXT YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS.

THEN SECOND, THEY WILL BE AIR ALOFT PEOPLE OUTRAGED WHEN THEY FOUND OUT, WHEN THEY FIND OUT THIS DISCLOSURE MEANS THEY LEARN NOTHING FOR TWO YEAR YEARS AND AFTER TWO YEARS, THEY DON'T EVEN LEARN A DOLLAR AMOUNT OF INCOME OF A SINGLE LEGISLATURE.

>> IT IS PHONY.

>> PHONY, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE ALLIED TO THE LEGISLATURES EFFORT TO SAY THAT NOT THEY BUT TWO YEARS FROM NOW, A FEW FUTURE LEGISLATURE WHICH PASS DISCLOSURE LAW THAT WILL NOT ACTUALLY REQUIRE THEM TO DISCLOSE INCOME BUT CERTAINLY BE SOMETHING WE CAN TELL THE VOTERS SO THAT WE CAN PASS REPEAL OF THE TERM LEM MITS THEN LET OURSELVES SAY TWICE AS LISTENING.

>> SEE WHAT MISS CLARK NAS THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE GETTING RID OF TERM LIMITS WHAT DO YOU MEAN NI?

>> PATRICK?

>> WHAT I MEAN AND I URGE PEOPLE NOT WITH PROPOSAL ONE BUT ALL THREE.

READ THE TEXT.

DECIDE FOR YOURSELF.

>> ARE THEY EALMOST NATEED?

>> STRIKE THROUGH.

ALL OF THOSE WORDS.

>> STRIKE THROUGH.

>> STRIKES THROUGH THE ONES THAT YOU WROTE 30 YEARS AGO.

IT STRIKES THROUGH THE ONES.

THEY ARE STILL 12 YEAR TERM LIMITS.

ARE YOU SAYING THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE?

AGAIN, PEOPLE THAT READ THE TEXT FOR PROPOSAL WITHI THEY VOTE NO ON PROPOSAL ONE BECAUSE THEY SEE FOR THE RHETORIC ABOUT THEIR STRENGTHENING AND REDUCING WHAT THE VOTERS ADOPTED IN 1992 WHAT I WROTE THOSE SENTENCES FOR WHAT WE ADOPTEDDED STRUCK THROUGH DELETED.

WELL, SOMETHING ELSE.

THEN IT I GOING TO BE REPLACED BY 12ER AND REPLACED.

FOR 30 YEAR OR 75 YEARS TO ONE IS MORE THAN 20 GEAR YEARS RIGHT.

>> WELL, ACTUALLY, SINCE 300 PEOPLE CAN COME BACK I AM NOT HOUR.

SO MR. AND DERSON.

SO THEY TOOK OUT THE TERM LEM MIT THAT IS IRRELEVANT TO THIS DEBATE AND SERVE 12 YEARS UNDER THE PROPOSAL.

IT IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT IS A YES OR NO.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, ACTUALLY 300 PEOPLE CAN COME BACK SO THIS WILL BE PEOPLE THAT WILL SERVE MORE.

SO HYPOTHETICAL RETIRED HAW MAKES.

WE GOT 300 OF THEM.

WHO COULD.

WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL BUT THEY DO.

A LOT OF THEM ARE LIVE.

DID THEY SERVE 12 YEARS AND THEY ARE DONE.

IN THE LEGISLATURE THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SERVE 12 YEARS UNDER THE NEW PROPOSAL AND IN TWO HOUSES IN.

RIGHT.

RIGHT.

RIGHT.

I MEAN, I DRAFTED SOMETHING FOR THE FORWARD SAY YOU WOULD REMASS THE EXISTING ONE WITH THE WEAKER ONE THAT WOULD BE 12 YEARS, SO WHY IT IS TRUE.

ALL RIGHT.

THERE WILL BE A NEW SET BUT MUCH WEAKER AND THEY WILL ALLOW PEOPLE IN THE HOUSING TO STAY TWICE AS LONG.

>> PREGNANT PAUSE?

>> WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT M WHAT IS WRONG THAT.

HAVING THE 7th YEAR HOUSING MEMBER AS THE CHAIR OF THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE RATHER THAN 30 YEAR HOUSE MEMBER OF THE CHAIR OF APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE?

>> I THINK THAT HISTORICAL MEMORY WOULD TELL YOU THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG ABOUT HAVING SOMEBODY AS 20 YEARS AS COMMITTEE CHAIR.

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT 20 YEARS.

>> WE ARE NOT TAUGHTING ABOUT THAT.

DONALD IS NOT COMING FRACK THE GRAVE HERE.

WE ARE TAGGING ABOUT THE ABILITY TO SERVE UP TO 12 YEARS IN THE HOUSE OR SERVE THREE TERMS IN THE IT?

AND NOT BE PROPELLED INTO LEADER SHIP.

WE HAVE A TESTIMONY NOW THAT BASICALLY WE MAKE AN ASSOCIATE AND EQUIVALENT OF A JUNIOR ASSOCIATE AND WE MAKE 20 SOME-YEAR-OLD PEOPLE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE THERE IS NOW CEO OF THE COMPANY EVENTUALLY OF A $70 BILLION ORGANIZATION AND WHY IS THAT A GOOD THING?

WHAT COMPANY WITH ALLOW THAT?

>> ALL RIGHT.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL.

IT IS OUR CONSTITUTION SO IT IS WHAT OUR VOTERS SAID.

YOU ARE RIGHT?

AS A YOUNG PERSON, I WAS ABLE TO WORK ON DRAFFING THIS AND HAPPY THAT I AND OTHERS $400,000 SIGNED PETITIONS TO GET THIS ON 59% OF MICHIGAN VOTERS VOTED IT IN.

THEN WE AS CITIZENS SAID, THREE TERMS IN THE HOUSE, TWO TERMS IN THE SENATE, TWO TERMS IN GOVERNOR.

TWO TERMS AS ATTORNEY GENERAL AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS WHAT WE DECIDE IN MICHIGAN LIKE THE UNITED STATES DID WITH THE 22nd AMENDMENT ON THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND LIKE, LIKE WE HAD IN THE ORIGINAL CONSTITUTION IN THE HIMSELF.

>> AND THE QUESTION.

ANSWER THE QUESTION.

I DID AND THE QUESTION.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED AND NOT THE CEO ORGANIZATION THE GOVERNOR WOULD BE THAT.

THE GOVERNORS THE EXECUTIVE.

THE HOUSE THE SPACKER OF THE HUS AND EFFECT OFLY THE CO OF THE $70 BILLION SPER PRAISE THE GOVERNOR PROPOSES AND DISPOSES AND SO LEGISLATURE HAS ITS HAND ON ALL OF THAT $70 BILLION.

YOU ARE RIGHT.

THEY DO.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE TERM LIMITS THEN, PROPOSAL ONE IS SOMETHING YOU THOUGH, YOU MAY WANT TO GO FOR.

T REPEALS EXPECTING TERM LIMITS TO MAKE IT MUCH WEAKER.

>> YOU WOULD ALREADY SAY, MICHIGAN HAS TERM LIMITS, WE HAVE THEM EVERY TWO YEARS.

THEY ARE CALLED ELECTIONS.

RIGHT.

WHAT IS THE CONCERN ABOUT LETTING VOTERS DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEIR LECTIVE REPRESENTATIVES SHOULD CONTINUE TO REPRESENT THEM EACH ELECTION?

>> THE SAME DEBATE THAT HAD AND THOMAS JEFFERSON'S TIME.

OH WROTE ABOUT IT.

GEORGE WASHINGTON TALKED ABOUT IT.

ALEXANDER WAS NOT SO SURE THIS WAS IF WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE SAY SAME OFFICE THEY CONCENTRATE POWER AND MORE LIKELY ABUSE THAT POWER.

AND SO, SO WE SHOULD LIMIT THE NUMBER OF TIMES THEY CAN BE ELECTED TO THAT SPECIAL AND WANT TO RUN FOR ANOTHER OFFICE THEY THEY CAN.

THEY ABOOS THE POWER THE PEOPLE WOULD KNOW THIS AND VOTED OUT OF OFFICE.

I CERTAINLY HOPE SO.

THAT WAS ALSO BASED ON MONARCHY, RIGHT?

THAT'S THE FONDING FATHERS THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT MONARCHY AND ROYALTY AND KINGS AND KEEPING CONTROL.

THAT IS NOT THIS.

AND, AND, YOU HE, THE POINT IS, THAT FOLKS ARE ON THE BALLOT.

AND VOTERS DESEEDING LOOK FOLKS SHOULD GET TO STEP IN?

RIGHT WE HAVE ENEMY MY, MICHIGAN VOTERS PUT IT IN THE CONSTITUTION LOOK THE U.S. CONSTITUTION HAS NOW ON THE PRESIDENT AND THIS IS WHAT WE AS VOTERS PUT IN OUR CONSTITUTION AND MY OBJECTION IS ONE AND REPEALS BUT ALSO, TWO, IT DOESN'T PARTICULARLY DECEPTIVE WAY WHERE MOST OF THE CAMPAIGN ADVERTISING AND MOST OF THE DISCUSSION MOST OF THE DESCRIPTION AND THE LG SLAYIVE THING IS ALL ABOUT THIS DISCLOSURE THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN FOR TWO YEAR.

YEAH.

IF IT HAPPENS IT WON'T HAPPEN.

>> EOF COURSE OF THERE I.

WHAT IN THAT PROPOSAL PRESENTS THE LEGISLATURE FROM ADOPTING THE BILLS THAT THE HOUSE HAS PASSED FOR THE LAST FIVE SESSION ANYTHING THAT SPREN HAS.

NO.

>> WELL, GO AHEAD.

SO THOR DISCLOSURE.

>> PI AND OTHERS HAVE BEEN OVER TO THE CAPITAL SAYING PASS IT NOW.

SURE.

PASS IT TODAY.

DON'T DO THIS.

OH, YEAH.

TWO YEARS FROM NOW WE STUDY ISSUE SERIOUSLY.

PASS IT TODAY.

SO THERE IS NOTHING TO YOUR POINT, ROOTING.

THIS TAKES PLACE 2024 AND SEATED THE NEXT IN JANUARY THEY COULD PASS DISCLOSURE.

IT DOESN'T SAY THEY WILL BUT THEY COULD, IT.

NOTHING IN THERE THAT PRESENTS THEM TO PASS IN THE HOUSE AND COMEBACK TOMORROW.

THEY WOULD COME BACK TOMORROW.

PEOPLE LIKE ME HAVE BEEN SAG COME BACK.

SO WHY?

SO THEN WHY IT BE A BAD THING TO INCLUDE THIS AND DOESN'T PRODUDE THEM AND BY 2024 AND HERE IS WHY IT IS A PAD THING BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO TO THE BALLOT MILLIONS GO TO THE BILLION LET AND THEY WILL RED ALL ABOUT DISCLOSURE AND THERE WILL BE MISLEAD AND INTO THINKING THEY PASSED THIS AND THEY WILL KNOW.

THEY WILL HED READE THE WHOLE TEXT IN THIS AND DOESN'T TAKE PLACE IN 2024 AND VOTERS WILL VOTE NO.

>> MR. ANDERSON PUT ON YOUR HAT.

YOU SHOULD USED TO BE TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF FOR CANDACE MILLER RAILROAD RIGHT?

WHAT KIND OF JOB IS YOS LYNN DOING.

THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.

I HOPE VOTERS ANSWER IT CAREFULLY I AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT TERM LIMITS EXES COULD ME YOU GET A TV PROBLEM AND GET TO SET THE AGENDA OK. YOU HAVE THE EXPERIENCE.

YOU HAVE BEEN IN THAT OFFICE.

YOU WATCH WHAT SHE HAS BEEN DOING AND THAT IS HOW SHE IS DOING.

ALL RIGHT A GOOD POINT.

BUZZ I REALLY WANT TO STAY ON WHAT MY TOPIC IS.

AND OBVIOUSLY I AM BEHAVIOR REPUBLICAN VOTER AND PROBABLY GOING TO VOTE MOSTLY REPUBLICAN.

WILL YOU BE VOTING FOR CHRISTINA FOR SECRETARY OF SENATE.

>> YOU KNOW, I AM GOING TO THINK HARD ABOUT THAT WHEN I GOT THE BALLOT WHICH ACCORDING TO MR. LIVENGOOD.

I WILL THINK HARD ABOUT THAT AND EVERY OTHER ONE WHEN I GET THE BALLOT.

>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE TYPE OF CANDIDATE VES BEEN GETTING BEFORE THE LEDGE THERE TIRE IN THIS REAR OF TERM LIMITS.

WE HAVE -- THIS IS WELL-KNOWN FACT WE ARE GETTING LESS AND LESS MATURE PEOPLE AND SHOWING UP CRUST THIS WEEK.

JUST THIS WEEK.

WE HAD 20-YEAR-OLD HOUSE CANDIDATE IN JACKSON DROPOUT AFTER INFORMATION SURFACED AND DEMOCRAT MAURICE IM HOV AFTER INFORMATION SERVED HE HAD MADE THREATS AT THE SCHOOL IN HIGH SCHOOL JUST A FEW YEARS AGO AND BEFORE TERM LIMITS WE NEVER HAD 20-YEAR-OLDS RUNNING FOR HOUSE SEATS AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD PARTIES PUTTING UP A 20-YEAR-OLD RUNNING FOR HOUSE SEAT AND ANOTHER STATE REP JEWEL JONESES WHO IS CONVICTED OF A WHOLE HOST OF CRIMES IN LIVINGTON COUNTY IN THE DRUNK DRIVING ACCIDENT OR DRUNK DRIVINGENCE DEN WHERE, YOU KNOW, WRANGLED COPS AND, AND WE HAVE ALL KINDS, WE HAVE EVERY SESSION WE HAVE ONE OR TWO OR THREE OR FOUR OF THESE INCIDENTS WITH JUST ISSUES LIKE MATURE I OF LEGISLATURES.

>> AND SO, WE HOW DO WE POS PLY GOT IN THESE BEFORE TERM PLIM THEN BEFORE THE END OF CAREER POPTITIONS AND WOULD WE HAVE SEEN THIS TYPE OF STOCK OF CITIZENS OR SHOWING UP TO THE LEGISLATURE.

>> AND, AND MR.LIVENGOOD YOU TALKING ABOUT PROPOSAL ONE TO STAY TWICE AS LONG.

OK.

IT COULD BE VOTED IN.

MEANWHILE, I WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT 20-YEAR-OLD.

REMEMBER THE GUY WHO HAD THE NICKEL?

WHEN DID HE RUN HE WAS 23 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

JOHN ENGLER.

HE RAN WITH 20EER YAS OF EXPERIENCE WHICH HE NEVER WOULD HAVE HAD.

HE RAN FOR THE LEGISLATURE.

ALL RIGHT.

19-YEAR-OLD.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> HE HAD A 19-YEAR-OLD DICK WHO WAS HELPING HIP.

GOOD JOB.

LOOK.

WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN DOING?

HOW MANY YEARS?

MY CURRENT JOB I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 26 YEAR.

ARE YOU BETTER AT IT TODAY THAN YOU WERE 24 YEARS AGO?

>> YES.

SO WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE AND THAT COULDN'T OF ANSWER IN THE LEGISLATURETIVE PROCESS WELL, THAT BECAUSE I CANNOT CONCENTRATE POWER AND IMPOSE MY WILL ON OTHERS THROUGH FORCE OF LAW.

CUSTOMERS HAVE TO COME.

I CAN'T FORCE THEM TO.

THERE IS NO LAW THAT REQUIRES THEM BUT LEGISLATURES ONCE THEY GET IN POWER THEY CAN USE RULES THEY CAN USE GATHERING MORE OF THE CAMPAIGN FINANCING.

THEY DAN MAKE DID HES BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCE WHICH IS BETTER LEGISLATION.

YOU ARE RATING.

IT COULD.

SO YOU LOOK AT SOMETHINGIC THIS.

WE WE DON'T ARE THE ROADS IMPROVED BASS WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EXPENSE?

NO WE HAVE KNOWN FOR YEARS.

PATRICK INARE YOU SURPRISED, YOU KNOW, AS YOU NOTED 30 YEARS AING THEY VOTE IN FAVOR OF TERM LIMITS ARE YOU SURPRISED THAT NOW 70% ACCORDING TO THE LITTEST POLL WOOL VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROPOSAL?

>> YEAH.

I AM SURPRISED.

I AM SURPRISED THAT -- I SAY THIS BNTLY THAT SOME OF THE NEWSPAPERS HAVE WERE YOU NOTED POLL RESULTS WHERE THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE POSED TO VOTERS WERE STILL MISLEADING AND THERE WAS ONE POLL NOT THE MOST RERENT ONE, THERE REPORTED TO SHOW 70 PERCENT OF PEOPLE WERE GOING TO SUPPORT PROPOSAL ONE.

AND I HAD THE REPORTER READ THE QUESTION TO ME AND I SAID TO HER, HEY IF I WAS NOT PIING ATTENTION I WOULD HAVE SAID YES TO THIS.

MOST OF THESE POLL QUESTIONS ARE FOLLOWING ALONG WITH WHAT THE LEGISLATURE TRIED TO HAVE HAPPEN AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT THEY TRIED TO FORCE FOAM SAY.

I WAS ABOUT DISCLOSURE.

NRT THIS PASSES ARE YOU MOVING TO OHIO?

>> I AM GOING TO BE REALLY MAD AND THINK ABOUT MOVING DOWN THE STREET.

I AM MAD.

I LOVE MICHIGAN.

I AM NOT LEAVING.

>> THANKS FOR BEING ON THE PROBLEM.

ALSO CHAD, DAVID, NEXT WEEK, MORE OFF THE RECORD, IF YOU CAN TAKE IT, RIGHT HERE.

>> OFF THE RECORD IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY.

6:00 A FULL SERVICE STRATEGIC COMMUNICATION AGENCY PARTNERING WITH CLIENTS THROUGH DIGITAL MARKETING AND PUBLIC POLICY ENGAGEMENT: FOR MORE OFF THE RECORD, VISIT WKAR.

ORG.

MICHIGAN PUBLIC TELEVISION STAGE TEASES HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE PRODUCTION COST OF OFF THE RECORD.