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MY GOODNESS, THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES ON THE ST. LOUIS LANDSCAPE.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND ON THE SECOND AND A HALF OF THIS PROGRAM, WE'RE JOINED BY DR. NESS SANDOVAL FROM ST. LOUIS UNIVERSITY TAKING A LOOK AT POPULATION TRENDS IN OUR AREA.

LET'S MEET THE PANELISTS WHO ARE ASSEMBLED FOR THIS EDITION OF DONNYBROOK, STARTING WITH THE NEWS DIRECTOR FOR THE BIG 550 KTRS AND THE COHOST OF THE JENNIFER AND WENDY SHOW.

WENDY WIESE.

HE'S ONE OF OUR FOUNDERS FROM THE ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH AND TODAY NAMED BY THE READERS OF THE RIVERFRONT TIMES AS THE BEST JOURNALIST IN ST. LOUIS.

CONGRATULATIONS TO MR. BILL McCLELLAN.

AND WE HAVE MR. RAY HARTMANN FROM THE BIG 550 KTRS, COAST OF ST. LOUIS IN THE KNOW.

I'S ALSO WITH RAWSTORY.COM AND THE RIVERFRONT TIMES, RAY.

AND WE HAVE MR. ALVIN REID, THE NEWS EDITOR FOR THE ST. LOUIS AMERICAN WHERE HE'S ALSO A SPORTS COLUMNIST AND RECENTLY WON FOR THE THIRD TIME BEST SPORTS COLUMNIST FOR A WEEKLY NEWSPAPER FROM THE MISSOURI PRESS ASSOCIATION.

SO THE AWARD-WINNING ALVIN AND BILL AND -- MY GOODNESS, ALVIN.

SINCE YOU'RE SUCH AN AWARD WINNING SPORTS COLUMNIST, WE'LL GO TO YOU ON NEWS THAT MIKE SHILDT WAS CANNED TODAY BY THE ST. LOUIS CARDINALS.

I MET HIM THE FIRST TIME A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

MAYBE THAT WAS THE KISS OF DEATH.

KU THINK OF ANY OTHER REASONS WHY HE'S NO LONGER WITH THE CLUB?

>> WELL, I TELL YOU IN MY BRILLIANT SPORTS WRITING CAREER, WHEN I CAME UP ON THE SCROLL, I SAW CARDINALS MANAGER MIKE SHILDT AND I LOOKED DOWN AND THOUGHT TO MYSELF, WILL GET CONTRACT EXTENSION, WHO DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS COMING.

THEN I LOOK UP AND IT'S LIKE HE'S FIRED, OUT OF A JOB.

I GUESS PRESIDENT OF BASEBALL OPERATIONS SAID PHILOSOPHICAL DIFFERENCES.

I THINK PLATO AND SOCRATES HAD PHILOSOPHICAL DIFFERENCES.

SOMETHING HAPPENED AND SOUNDS LIKE IT HAPPENED AT THE END OF SEASON MEETING THAT THEY ALL HAVE RIGHT AFTER YOU'VE BEEN ELIMINATED.

YOU SIT DOWN AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO GO, WHAT DO YOU THINK, AND I THINK THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION AND THERE MUST HAVE BEEN SHARP DIFFERENCE OF OPINION WHICH LED TO HIS FIRING.

THIS MAN WAS JUST FIRED.

THE CARDINALS DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHO THEY'RE GOING TO HIRE, WHO'S AVAILABLE.

THE PLAYOFFS ARE STILL GOING ON AND AT THIS TIME, YOU CAN'T EVEN APPROACH ANYBODY ABOUT HIRING THEM UNTIL AFTER THE WORLD SERIES IS OVER.

SOMETHING HAPPENED REALLY FAST.

>> AND THIS IS COMING ON THE HEELS OF A HISTORIC WINNING STREAK.

THEY WERE ELIMINATED BY THE DODGERS IN THE WILD CARD RACE, BUT STILL, AFTER KIND OF A TEPID SEASON, THEY GOT THERE AND IT SOUNDS LIKE -- IT DOES SOUND -- IT FRANKLY DOES SOUND LIKE A MEETING THAT WENT SOUTH, THAT THEY ASKED HIM TO MAYBE GET RID OF A MANAGER OR TWO AND HE REFUSED.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE KIND OF -- I THINK THAT'S THE KIND OF GUY HE IS.

I THINK HE'S VERY LOYAL, VERY PLAIN SPOKEN AND IF PUSH CAME TO SHOVE, HE PROBABLY WALKED OUT.

>> I HOPE IT'S MORE THAN THAT.

[ LAUGHTER ] SPORTS IS ENTERTAINMENT AND THE CARDINALS OR AN ENTERTAINING FRANCHISE, AND I HOPE THIS ISN'T SOME, WELL, HE WAS JUST BEING A GOOD GUY AND DEFENDING A COACH.

I HOPE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING JUICIER.

>> SCANDAL.

>> YEAH, SOMETHING SCANDALOUS.

I MEAN, NOT CRIMINAL.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYBODY GO TO PRISON OR ANYTHING, BUT REMEMBER WHEN HARRY CARY A HIT AND RUN IN FRONT -- AND PEOPLE SAYS IT WAS BECAUSE HE WAS HAVING AN AFFAIR.

THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT.

AND THAT'S THE LEVEL I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS THING GET TO.

>> SPOKEN LIKE A CUBS FAN.

WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE IF THEY DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY IN MIND, BUT I AGREE -- FIRST OF ALL, THE GUY WAS THE MANAGER OF THE YEAR IN 2019.

AND IT MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT HE'S -- MAYBE IT WAS THAT HE WAS .49 ON THE SEASON.

IF YOU JUST SAY IT'S PERSONNEL, I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU, IT'S ONE THING, BUT HE'S TELLING FANS, ALL OF WHOM HAVE A PHILOSOPHY ABOUT SOMETHING WITH REGARD TO BASEBALL, YOU WOULD THINK TELL US ABOUT IT.

I MEAN, THAT'S NOT REALLY THAT CONFIDENTIAL.

TELL US WHAT THE PHILOSOPHICAL DIFFERENCES.

YOU POINT OUT, I MEAN, HE HAD JUST -- NOT ONLY DID THEY JUST HAVE ARGUABLY AS GOOD A WINNING STREAK AS WHO KNOWS HOW LONG IT COULD HAVE GONE HAD THEY NEEDED TO KEEP WINNING.

THEY STOPPED AT 17 TO REST THEIR PLAYERS WHEN THEY DIDN'T NEED TO WIN ANYMORE, AND IMAGINE ONE OF THE MANAGER'S JOBS IS TO KEEP THE TEAM FOCUSED.

HERE THEY HAVE IDENTIFY 500 AT THE -- 500 AT THE BEGINNING OF DECEMBER.

HE DID A DECENT JOB.

>> DON'T FORGET, THE CARDINALS GOT RID OF JOE TORRE AND HE WENT TO THE YANKEES AND HE WON THE NEXT SERIES.

AS THE SAYING GOES, ASK NOT FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS.

GOOD OL' RAY HARTMANN, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE NFL LAWSUIT AND THE CITY.

THE CITY FOR THE SECOND TIME IN 20 YEARS HAS SUED THE NFL, WE'RE GETTING USED TO THIS, BUT NOW THE LEGAL PUNDITS AROUND THIS AREA ARE SAYING ST. LOUIS HAS A PRETTY GOOD CHANCE OF WINNING THIS LAWSUIT AND NOW MAYBE PEOPLE ARE COUNTING THEIR CHICKENS EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVEN'T BEEN HATCHED YET.

THEY SAY, WE MIGHT WIN $800 MILLION IN THE SETTLEMENT, MINUS LEGAL FEES, OR MAYBE AN EXPANSION FRANCHISE FOR THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS.

IF YOU HAD YOUR DRUTHERS, WHICH WOULD YOU TAKE?

>> I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GETTING AN EXPANSION FRANCHISE.

I'M A SPORTS FAN, I'D LOVE AS A SPORTS FAN TO HAVE ANOTHER NFL TEAM, NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

I'M NOT SURE IT WOULD EVEN BE THE BEST THING FOR US BECAUSE SPORTS MARKETING, SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT BEING WHAT IT IS, A METROPOLITAN AREA, NOT ONLY OUR SIZE, BUT WITH OUR SHRINKING CORPORATE BASE, PROBABLY CAN'T SUPPORT THREE FULL -- THREE PRO SPORTS TEAMS.

THE FANS CAN.

>> THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID WHEN THEY WERE HEAR BEFORE THEY LEFT.

>> WELL, BUT THEY DIDN'T.

YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND, WHEN THEY LEFT, THE RAMS WERE 31st IN REVENUE.

THE POINT IS, THAT ISN'T REALLY GOING TO HAPPEN.

AS A FAN, I'D RATHER HAVE THAT.

AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, I DO THINK, I CONTINUE TO THINK THIS IS GOING TO GET SETTLED.

NOTIFY IDEA WHAT THE MONEY IS GOING TO BE, BUT I THINK IT'S SUBSTANTIAL BECAUSE THE RAMS -- THE OWNERS DON'T WANT TO SUBJECT THEMSELVES -- >> OKAY, EVERY FRANCHISE OUT THERE, INCLUDING THE DALLAS COWBOYS IS WORTH $7 BILLION, CRYING POVERTY.

BE IT BASEBALL, HOCKEY, WHATEVER.

I'M SORRY, GOD BLESS YOU, TOM STILLMAN, I DON'T BELIEVE THIS "WE'LL GO BROKE IF THERE'S A FOOTBALL TEAM IN ST.

LOUIS."

I WAS IN KANSAS CITY LAST WEEKEND, BUFFALO WAS THERE, THE DOWNTOWN, PEOPLE THAT THERE FROM BUFFALO FANS WAS AMAZING.

DIE I DO MISS IT AND IF WE HAD THAT CHANCE TO GET A FRANCHISE, EXPANSION, WHATEVER, WE SHOULD OPT FOR THAT OVER THE LUMP SUM.

I'LL ALSO SAY THIS AND I'M NOT REALLY JOKING AROUND HERE.

THERE'S A WILD CARD OUT HERE AND IT'S THE 650,000 EMAILS THAT BROUGHT DOWN JON GRUDEN AND THERE'S A LOT OF OWNERS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW THINKING TO THEMSELVES -- THERE'S EMAILS THAT WE SENT IN REGARD TO THIS ST. LOUIS SITUATION THAT I DO NOT WANT HITTING THE PUBLIC.

HOW DO WE GET THESE PEOPLE IN SL OFF OF US?

AND IF IT CAME DOWN TO GIVE ME AN EXPANSION TEAM OR, HEY, GUESS WHAT YOU SAID, JERRY JONES, OR GUESS WHAT YOU SAID, ROBERT CRAFT?

YOU NEVER KNOW HOW THAT MIGHT WORK OUT.

>> WHAT A PRECEDENT IT WOULD SET FOR THEM TO SOLVE A PROBLEM WITH AN EXPANSION -- THEY DON'T WORK THAT WAY.

THESE EXPANSION FRANCHISES, FIRST OF ALL, MOST OF THEM DON'T WANT TO EXPAND.

>> THEY HITCHED THEIR WAGON TO STAN KROENKE, FOR WHATEVER REASON.

>> WELL, HE WOULD BUILD THE STADIUM ON HIS OWN, DIDN'T ASK FOR A DIME.

>> WELL, I THINK THAT WE WILL NEVER BE -- THIS IS JUST MY OWN.

I MEAN, THE MAJOR LEAGUE THAT WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN, THERE IS SOMETHING MISSING WITHOUT AN NFL FRANCHISE, WITHOUT AN NFL EXPANSION -- I THINK THAT WOULD CATAPULT US.

OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO ADDRESS, BUT I TEXTED BEN THIS AFTERNOON, OUR CONTRIBUTOR ON KTRS AND OBVIOUSLY YOUR COLLEAGUE AT THE POST-DISPATCH AND HE SAID WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE NUTS AND BOLT OF THE CASE.

HE SAID IT'S EASY TO GET CARRIED AWAY WITH ALL THIS EXPANSION TALK AND THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING THESE DEALS AND DECISIONS, THERE'S NOT TALKING.

THESE ARE -- THEY'RE NOT TALKING.

THESE ARE ALL JUST SPECULATIVE, BUT I AGREE WITH YOU, ALVIN.

I SAY PULL OUT EVERY STOP, DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO GET AN EXPANSION TEAM.

I DON'T TRUST HOW THE MONEY WOULD BE SPENT.

>> DON'T FORGET, EVERYBODY, REMEMBER THE NFL LAWSUIT BACK IN THE DAY, 20 YEARS AGO, TOM EAGLETON WAS TESTIFYING FOR THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AS WE SUED THE NFL AND I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF LOCAL CHEERLEADERS WHO SAID, OH, THIS IS REALLY GOING TO BE GOOD, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, JUDGE GENE HAMILTON DROPPED THE CASE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY AND EVERYONE WAS SURPRISED AND WE WENT ON OUR WAY.

WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS?

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE'S A LOT OF WEIRDNESS GOING ON RIGHT NOW IN REGARDS TO THE TRIAL, IN REGARDS TO WHERE THE NFL STANDS, AND, FISHER'S NAME GOT THROWN INTO IT AND THE RAMS GOT THROWN INTO IT.

>> MICHAEL SAMS.

>> OKAY, ONE THING -- >> HOLD THAT THOUGHT.

>> CAN I STAY ONE THING?

THE EXPANSION, THIS IS A BIG CARTEL OF HUNDREDS OF TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND WHEN THEY EXPAND, THEIR PIECE GETS LESS VALUABLE.

THE ONLY WAY THEY'RE GOING TO EXPAND THE NFL IS IF IT'S GOING TO BRING MORE REVENUE IN SO THEIR PIECE DOESN'T GET INAUGURAL.

>> I THINK THEY ARE NOT -- [ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] >> SORRY TO BE SO RUDE, BUT WE NEED TO TALK TO BILL ABOUT YOUR NEWSPAPER WHICH, THIS WEEK, I BELIEVE IT WAS JOSH RENAUD, IF I'M PRONOUNCING HIS NAME CORRECTLY, HE INVESTIGATED SOME OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ELEMENTARY AND SECONDARY EDUCATION WEBSITES AND FOUND OUT IN THE STATE OF MISSOURI, THERE WERE THE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS OF HIGH SCHOOL AND GRADE SCHOOL TEACHERS, COUNSELORS, ADMINISTRATORS, THAT WERE ACCESSIBLE ONLINE.

SO YOUR PAPER CONTACTED DESE AND THE STATE GOVERNMENT AND SAYS, LOOK, THIS IS NOT GOOD, AND DIDN'T PUBLISH ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNTIL IT WAS CORRECTED, AND THEN TODAY, THE GOVERNOR SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO FILE CRIMINAL CHARGES IF HE COULD AGAINST YOUR NEWSPAPER FOR HACKING INTO STATE GOVERNMENT COMPUTERS.

I FIND THIS -- I'M SORRY -- TO BE ONE OF THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS THINGS I'VE EVER HEARD OUT OF JEFFERSON CITY AND WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF OUTRAGEOUS THINGS THERE.

WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THIS?

>> I THINK THE GOVERNOR KNOWS LESS ABOUT COMPUTERS THAN I DO AND I HAVE A FLIP PHONE.

IF HE THINKS WHAT JOSH WAS DOING, AND HE'S A HECK OF A REPORTER AND GOOD ON COMPUTER, WAS HACKING?

THE FIRST THING THAT SHOCKED ME WAS THE HEAD OF DESE, DR. MARGIE VANDEVEN WHO WAS A GUEST ON THE SECOND HALF OF OUR SHOW NOT THAT LONG AGO, AND I REMEMBER HER FROM THEN, I THOUGHT THAT SOME OF HER ANSWERS WERE VERY SKETCHY AS FAR AS THE TRUTH GOES.

I THOUGHT, WELL, SHE'S GOT AN AUDIENCE IN JEFFERSON CITY, SHE DEPENDS ON THE LEGISLATORS AND WHEN THAT'S YOUR AUDIENCE, YOUR ANSWERS WILL BE SKETCHY, BUT WHAT SHE'S DONE NOW IS JUST BEYOND THE PALE.

SHE WAS COMPLETELY DISHONEST ABOUT WHAT JOSH DID AND I THOUGHT -- I DON'T KNOW HOW SHE CAN KEEP HER JOB EXCEPT THIS IS MISSOURI AND SHE'S OBVIOUSLY STILL PLAYING TO LEGISLATORS AND IF THE GOVERNOR REALLY WANTS TO PRESS CHARGES AGAINST THE POST-DISPATCH, I THINK IT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL THING.

I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE PAPER.

>> WELL, REPUBLICAN STATE REPRESENTATIVE TONY LAVASCO WHO APPARENTLY HAS A LOT OF SOFTWARE PROGRAMMING EXPERIENCE, SAID HE WAS -- HE WAS BASICALLY SAYING I THINK THAT THE GOVERNOR HAS BEEN MISINFORMED.

YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS -- THAT THIS WAS THE FURTHEST THING FROM HACKING, THAT HACKERS USUALLY DON'T WARN OF THE PROPRIETOR OF THE WEBSITE THAT THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF A MECHANISM THAT ISN'T WORKING PROPERLY.

SO HOPEFULLY THE GOVERNOR, UNLESS HE'S PLANNING ON RUNNING AGAIN, THE MEDIA, THE PRESS, THE FOURTH ESTATE AS EVERYBODY DOES, IF THIS ISN'T PART OF HIS NEXT CAMPAIGN OR ONGOING CAMPAIGN, I HOPE THAT HE WILL MAYBE APOLOGIZE.

>> WELL, I THOUGHT THAT -- THE ONLY CRITICISM I HAVE OF THE NEWSPAPER IS I THOUGHT IT WAS TRULY STRAINED IN ITS COVERAGE.

IF I WAS THE -- TOO RESTRAINED IN ITS COVERAGE.

I WAS THE EDITOR AND DR. VANDEVEN CAME OUT WITH THIS OUTLANDISH EXPLANATION TO COVER HERSELF BLAMING THE PAPER, I WOULD HAVE PUT THAT IN THE LEAD.

BUT THE PAPER WAS SO PROFESSIONAL ABOUT IT, RAN THE STORY, AND YOU HAD TO GO TO THE JUMP TO READ THE NONSENSE FROM VANDEVEN.

>> I AGREE, BUT WHAT THE POST WAS DOING WAS A FAVOR FOR THE TEACHERS AND THOSE WHOSE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS WERE ACCESSIBLE.

>> COMPLETELY ABOVE BOARD.

>> THERE'S A DIFFERENT ANGLE HERE THOUGH.

REALLY, IT WAS SOME OF THE BEST ENTERPRISING JOURNALISM, REALLY SOLID, BUT THE MORE OUTRAGEOUS THAN THE PACT THAT PARSON IS DOING THIS IS THE FACT THAT IT'S GOOD POLITICS.

>> I DON'T KNOW WITH THAT.

>> HE'S NOT RUNNING AGAIN.

HE'S TERM LIMITED OUT AS GOVERNOR.

>> OH, THAT'S TRUE.

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT HE'S RUNNING, BUT JUST IN TERMS OF THE TIMES WE LIVE IN, A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR GOING AFTER THE FAKE NEWS MEDIA, THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE, AND ST. LOUIS'S LIBERAL NEWSPAPER, THE ONLY EXPLANATION -- >> THAT'S PRETTY POLITICAL, RAY.

>> THE ONLY EXPLANATION FOR DOING SOMETHING THIS OUTRAGE GUS AND IRRATIONAL IS THAT IT PLAYS.

I'M NOT SAYING IT SHOULD BECAUSE IT'S HORRIBLE, BUT IT PLAYS.

>> IT MIGHT.

>> THIS IS LIKE, OKAY, WATCH THIS HAND TALKING NONSENSE BECAUSE ON THIS HAND, WE'VE HEARD FROM OUR ATTORNEY AND ALL THESE TEACHERS OUT HERE AREN'T SUING THE POST-DISPATCH.

>> THEY'RE COMING AFTER US, RIGHT.

>> WE BETTER USE SOME LINE -- >> THAT'S RIGHT, IT'S A DISTRACTION.

>> BUT UNLESS THERE'S MORE TO THE STORY BECAUSE WE -- >> WHAT WOULD BE MORE TO THE STORY?

>> THE POST IS REPORTING ON ITSELF, SO THERE'S AN INHERENT BIAS THERE, WHO KNOWS, BUT BASED ON EVERYTHING WE KNOW, I THINK IT'S AN OUTRAGE.

WENDY WIESE, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT ST. LOUIS UNIVERSITY, OUR NEIGHBOR HERE IN GRAND CENTER, HAD BEEN GIVEN ALL SORTS OF SPECIAL TAX BENEFITS AND ALSO SOME ZONING POWER WHEN IT CAME TO WHAT IT CALLED ITS SIGNATURE DEVELOPMENT FOR SOUTH ST. LOUIS NEAR HIGHWAY 44 ON GRAND.

AND AS IT TURNS OUT, TO THE DISMAY OF SOME OF THE LOCALS THERE, THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE A QUIK TRIP, THE SIXTH IN A TWO-MILE RADIUS.

AND SOME PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WOW, ST. LOUIS UNIVERSITY, I THINK WE'RE KIND OF EXPECTING SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN A QUIK TRIP AS PART OF YOUR SIGNATURE DEVELOPMENT DOWN THERE.

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT A QUIK TRIP AT 44 AND GRAND?

>> WELL, I FEEL -- I FEEL FOR THE URBANISTS WHO ARE CONCERNED AND FUMING, BUT THESE ARE VERY DIFFICULT TIMES AND I SAY IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, THEN YOU SHOULD TALK TO THE CITY THAT GRANTED ST. LOUIS UNIVERSITY THIS LEEWAY, THIS LATITUDE IN 2017 AND THE POWER TO GIVE AWAY THESE PROPERTY TAX BREAKS FOR, WHAT, 25 YEARS?

THEY'VE GOT -- I MEAN, THAT'S -- ST. LOUIS UNIVERSITY IS A HUMONGOUS PART OF GRAND CENTER, THE WEST END OF THE CITY.

A PANDEMIC HAS HIT THE WORLD.

THE ECONOMIC FORECAST REALLY CRASHED, SO I DO NOT REALLY -- I DO NOT FAULT ST. LOUIS UNIVERSITY FOR DOING WHAT IS BEST FOR ST. LOUIS UNIVERSITY.

I'M SURE THAT WHEN THINGS SETTLE DOWN A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE THEY WILL HAVE A PROJECT THAT WILL DELIGHT THE URBANISTS AND OTHERS WHO ARE NOT HAPPY AT THE MOMENT, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE REALISTIC.

AND IF QUIK TRIP IS MAKING A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION FINANCIALLY, THEN -- >> WELL, YOUR GENEROSITY AND SPIRIT IS GREAT TO SEE, WENDY.

I THOUGHT IT WAS AWFUL MYSELF.

THEY'RE GETTING THIS LATITUDE PRECISELY SO THEY CAN PUT IN SOMETHING SPECIAL, AND THEIR IDEA OF SPECIAL IS A QUIK TRIP.

IT JUST DOESN'T MESH.

>> IT'S A GREAT HEADLINE, BUT I THINK IT IS KIND OF CYNICAL TO THINK THEY WON'T DO SOMETHING DOWN THE ROAD.

>> WELL, IF THEY ARCHITECTS TO DESIGN IT TO LOOK LIKE SOMETHING OTHER THAN A QUIK TRIP -- >> AND THEY MIGHT.

>> -- BUT IF IT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE EVERY OTHER QUIK TRIP, I THINK -- >> IT PROBABLY WILL LOOK LIKE EVERY OTHER QUIK TRIP, BUT WE DIDN'T COME DOWN HERE FOR, WHAT, 18 MONTHS?

>> 19.

>> THREE WEEKS AGO WHEN I DROVE DOWN AND HEADED SOUTH -- EXCUSE ME, HEADED NORTH ON GRAND, BOY, THAT DRIVE HAS CHANGED OVER THOSE 18 MONTHS.

AND IT WAS REALLY IMPRESSIVE.

AND SO I CAN'T BE MAD BECAUSE THERE'S A QUIK TRIP AT THE CORNER OF GRAND AND 44.

WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO GO THERE, THE ART MUSEUM?

COME ON, YOU GUYS.

>> THE GUGGENHEIM, APPARENTLY, ALVIN.

THE GUGGENHEIM IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC.

>> RIGHT.

SO I'M GOING TO LEAVE SLU ALONE ON THIS AND, LIKE YOU SAY, MAYBE ACROSS THE STREET, DOWN THE STREET, THE NEXT TIME DOWN THE LINE, IT'S MORE BEAUTIFUL -- >> HOW ABOUT A WINE STORE?

THERE'S ONE AN ELEMENT HERE -- >> IT'S PROVEN ITSELF TIME AND TIME TO BE VERY GOOD CORPORATE -- I MEAN VERY GOOD STEWARDS -- >> I HOPE THEY BUILD A QUIK TRIP IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN YOURS, ALVIN.

>> WELL, CHARLIE -- >> IT'S AT BIG BEND AND 44.

NOW, IF IT WAS IN DOWNTOWN KIRKWOOD, YOU MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT IT'S AT A THOROUGHFARE AND THE HIGHWAY.

>> I TELL YOU WHAT, THE TOURISTS WILL BE COMING HERE TO LAMBERT FIELD SO THEY CAN SEE OUR NEW DEVELOPMENT -- >> I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT SLU HAD IN MIND.

>> IT'S AT A THOROUGHFARE.

AT SOME POINT, THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS HAS TO STOP GIVING -- HAS TO START TAILORING ITS TAX BREAKS.

IF THE IDEA WAS A TAX BREAK, IT'S GREAT FOR SLU, DONE SO MUCH FOR THIS TOWN, BUT IT SHOULD BE CLAWED BACK FOR A QUIK TRIP AT A MAJOR INTERSECTION BECAUSE THAT'S NOT -- >> BUT TO THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS, TO MAKE SURE THOSE THINGS ARE -- >> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

THEY AREN'T DOING THAT, AND BY THE WAY, ST. LOUIS UNIVERSITY IS PART OF THE ARTS -- THE FUND, THE ARTS TO PARK EQUITY FUND, THE PROFIT-MAKING ARM OF ST. LOUIS UNIVERSITY -- OF GREATER ST. LOUIS, INC., AND IT COMES BACK AGAIN TO WHERE ARE YOU -- WHO'S GETTING THE DEALS AND WHERE, WHAT ARE THEY DOING UP AROUND NCA?

>> FOR THE RECORD, OUR FRIENDS AT QUIK TRIP ARE NOT GETTING A TAX BREAK, AT LEAST THEY SAID THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SEEK IT, BUT ON THE SUBJECT OF GAS STATIONS, WENDY WIESE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CAR THEFTS RECENTLY.

TWO OF MY COLLEAGUES AT KMOX, ONE OF OUR SPONSORS HERE AT NINE PBS, IN THE SOUTHWEST OF ST. LOUIS, THERE HAVE A TON OF CARS, 17 SINCE JULY, THAT'S A TON, STOLEN.

A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEIR KEY FOBS ARE STILL IN THE CAR.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?

>> I THINK WE HAVE TO BE -- WE HAVE TO BE SO VERY CAREFUL TODAY IN TERMS OF TECHNOLOGY.

WHEN I HEAR -- AND OBVIOUSLY THESE PEOPLE, THEY'RE VICTIMS OF CRIME, BUT I HAVE LESS SYMPATHY FOR VICTIMS OF CRIME WHO LEAVE THEIR KEYS IN THEIR CAR IN 2021.

I THINK THAT THAT'S ALMOST LIKE A CHARITABLE DONATION.

I MEAN, I REALLY THINK YOU'RE MAKING A GIFT TO THIS PERSON.

YOU SHOULD JUST PUT A SIGN IN YOUR CAR THAT SAYS, FOR WHATEVER REASON, I HAD A BRAIN CRAMP AND I'VE LEFT MY KEYS IN THE CAR.

MEEZ ENJOY IT AND RETURN IT WITH A FULL TANK OF GAS.

>> I THINK DISHONESTY, I'M WITH HER.

YOU GIVE A POLICE REPORT FROM A BANK AND SAID WE WERE ROBBED, AND WHAT HAPPENED.

WELL, WE LEFT A STACK OF CASH OUT HERE WHERE YOU FILL OUT YOUR THING AND SOMEBODY HAD THE NERVE TO TAKE IT.

>> I'M SORRY, IF I PUT A DOLLAR IN THE COLLECTION PLATE AT CHURCH AND IT'S NOT A CHECK, AND SOMEONE TAKES THE DOLLAR, THAT'S THEFT.

EVEN THOUGH I MADE IT VERY POSE SOMEONE TO TAKE IT.

>> THAT'S KIND OF A DIFFERENT -- THAT'S KIND OF AN APPLES AND ORANGES COMPARISON.

>> COMPARED TO A CAR THAT'S STOLEN, I DON'T THINK GOD IS OFFENDED.

>> IF I LEAVE MY -- IF I CONTINUOUSLY LEAVE MY CREDIT CARD SOMEWHERE AND THEN I SCREAM FOUL WHEN SOMEBODY USES MY CREDIT CARD -- >> I LOSE MY WALLET IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, OKAY?

I MEAN, AND SOMEBODY TOOK THE CASH.

OR MAYBE EVEN USED A CREDIT CARD.

>> YOU'RE LIKE, THAT'S ON ME.

>> BUT IT'S STILL A STOLEN CAR, COME ON.

>> YEAH, IT'S STOLEN CAR, BUT YOU ARE PART OF AN ACCESSORY.

YOU'RE AN ACCESSORY!

>> YOU'RE NOT QUITE -- THERE'S CHARITIES YOU CAN DONATE YOUR CAR TO.

THIS ISN'T QUITE THAT, OKAY?

>> NOW, IF IT CAME DOWN TO TRIALS A SOMEBODY ACTUALLY WENT TO TRIAL FOR THIS AND THE WHOLE THIJ WAS LIKE, I LEFT MY FOB IN OR I LEFT MY CAR RUNNING WHILE I WENT IN AND THEY TOOK MY CAR, IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF SOMEBODY SMASHED YOUR WINDOW AND HOTWIRED IT.

>> NO, IT WOULDN'T.

>> THE JUDGE WOULD SAY, OKAY, BOTH ARE STEALING.

YOU GET TO GO ABOUT YOUR MERRY WAY.

>> WE HAVE THE TWO-MINUTE WARNING AND IN THOSE TWO MINUTES, RAY, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT A PLAN, SUCH AS IT IS, FROM A CONSULTANT WORKING FOR EXPLORE ST. LOUIS, OUR CONVENTION BUREAU, WHO SAYS THAT THE RECREATIONAL FACILITY FOR NORTH COUNTY THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT MIGHT BE BUILT WITH MONEY FROM THE HOTEL-MOTEL TAX, COULD BE A 200-METER BANKED INDOOR TRACK TO LURE TOURISTS TO ST. LOUIS AND IT WILL BE IN NORTH COUNTY.

YOU WERE ON THE TOURISM BOARD TWO YEARS AGO, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS, WE HAVE TO EXPAND THE CONVENTION SKR.

IF WE'RE GOING TO BE A MAJOR METROPOLITAN AREA, WE HAVE TO DO THAT.

HAZEL ERBY, REST HER SOUL, DID A GREAT THING BY ENSURING THERE WOULD BE A FUND FOR A NORTH COUNTY FACILITY.

IT'S SET UP, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S NOT MUCH MONEY IN IT BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC, AND THEY NEED TO PURSUE AS A PRIORITY GETTING IT BUILT.

THE ONLY THING I'LL SAY ABOUT THE NORTH COUNTY FACILITY IS THE CDC IS THE LAST PEOPLE YOU OUGHT TO HAVE BUILT IT AND THE THING YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, IT HAS TO HAVE A TOURISM PURPOSE OR YOU CAN'T USE THOSE FUNDS FOR IT, SO WHATEVER THE PURPOSE IS IS FINE WITH ME.

IT HAS TO BE MORE THAN JUST A REC CENTER.

IT HAS TO HAVE A PURPOSE.

YOU CAN'T USE THOSE MONIES FOR IT.

>> I DISAGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE KITTY RATCLIFFE KIND OF SNOOKARRED HAZEL ERBY.

SHE WASN'T THINKING OF A TRACK FOR A RECREATION COMPLEX.

>> WELL, MAYBE IT WILL HAVE A TRACK, BUT ALSO SOME BASKETBALL COURTS ON THE SIDE, SOME MATS -- >> YOU ARE THINKING OF THE ONES LIKE IN KIRKWOOD AND THESE OTHER PLACES, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THAT.

>> WITH A LAZY RIVER?

>> IT HAS TO HAVE A TOURISM PURPOSE TO USE TOURISM MONEY.

>> OKAY, TIME TO GO.

WE'LL PICK IT UP HERE IN THE WEEKS TO COME.

I'M SURE THAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THIS FURTHER IN THE FUTURE.

FIRST LET'S GO TO THE LETTERS AND SEE WHAT PEOPLE SAID ABOUT LAST WEEK'S SHOW.

RAY HARTMANN HAS IT EXACTLY RIGHT WHEN HE SAYS VISITORS TO THE ST. LOUIS ZOO SHOULD BE CHARGED.

THOSE ST. LOUIS AND ST. LOUIS COUNTY RESIDENTS WOULD STILL GET IN FOR FREE.

BY COMPARISON, THE SAN DIEGO ZOO CHARGES $62 FOR ADULTS, $52 FOR THOSE UNDER 12.

THAT FROM TOM SULLIVAN.

YAY, ALVIN, I LOVE YOUR COMMENT OF THE ZOO BEING ST. LOUIS'S GIFT TO THE WORLD.

KEEP IT FREE SO WE'RE BROADLY KNOWN FOR THE SPECTACULAR COMMUNITY WE ARE.

THAT FROM GAIL McHENLEY.

JACQUELINE JONES, R.N., WROTE NURSES ARE LEAVING BEDSIDES BECAUSE, ONE, OUR PAY HAS NOT INCREASED IN YEARS.

TWO, WE'RE GIVEN TOO MANY PATIENTS.

THREE, NO HAZARD PAY.

I COULD GO ON AND ON.

WE NEED TO UNIONIZE.

AND MARY HAYWARD WROTE ABOUT OUR SET, SO STARK AND COLD.

PLEASE CHANGE THIS.

IT'S AWFUL.

SO HARD ON THE EYES.

HOPE THIS IS ONLY TEMPORARY.

THANK YOU, MARY, IT IS.

YOU CAN WRITE US CARE OF NINE PBS, 3655 OLIVE STREET, ST. LOUIS, MISSOURI 63108.

DON'T FORGET THOSE EMAILS, DONNYBROOK @NINEPBS.ORG AND THOSE TWEETS.

FOR MANY US ON OUR PODCAST.

ALVIN, YOU DID A GREAT JOB MODERATING, I WAS LISTENING IN.

BILL, YOU WEREN'T ON THAT BROADCAST, BUT YOU WERE BACK LAST WEEK AND DID NOT OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE, YOU AWARD-WINNING JOURNALIST.

IN A MOMENT, NESS SANDOVAL IS GOING TO BE WITH US FROM ST. LOUIS UNIVERSITY AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE POPULATION OF THE ST. LOUIS AREA.

THAT'S NEXT.

>> Announcer: DONNYBROOK IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORT OF THE BETSY AND THOMAS PATTERSON FOUNDATION AND THE MEMBERS OF NINE PBS.

>> WELL, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OUR FRIENDS AT ST. LOUIS UNIVERSITY IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE SHOW, AND ALVIN AND I WILL CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION SWHARK BUT THIS TIME WITH THE ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF THE SCHOOL'S GEOSPATIAL INSTITUTE AND A PROFESSOR IN THE SOCIETY YOL DEPARTMENT, NESS SANDOVAL IS A DEMOGRAPHER WHO HAS BEEN TAKING A LOOK AT THE CENSUS TRENDS NOT ONLY FOR THE ST. LOUIS AREA, BUT ALSO FOR THE STATE OF MISSOURI.

NESS SANDOVAL, THANKS FOR JOINING US ON NEXT UP.

HOW ARE YOU?

>> I'M DOING GOOD.

THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME.

>> WELL, THE NUMBERS FOR OUR REGION ARE REALLY NOT THAT G ARE THEY?

THE NATION GREW AT 9% ACCORDING TO THE CENSUS IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, BUT THE ST. LOUIS AREA GREW ABOUT ONE PERCENT, SO WE'RE ABOUT EIGHT PERCENTAGE POINTS LAGGING.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE THE 21st BIGGEST METRO AREA.

WHERE DO YOU THINK WE'LL BE IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS?

>> I THINK IT DEPENDS.

I THINK IT DEPENDS IF WE DECIDE TO TAKE A LAISSEZ-FAIRE ATTITUDE AND NOT BE PROACTIVE AND THINKING ABOUT WHAT OPPORTUNITIES WE CAN EMBRACE AS A REGION TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO MOVE TO ST. LOUIS.

IF WE DECIDE TO TAKE A LAISSEZ-FAIRE ATTITUDE, WE'RE GOING TO FALL FROM 21st TO MAYBE 25th BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME REGIONS GROWING FAIRLY FAST BASED ON DEMOGRAPHIC TRANSITIONS THAT ARE SMALLER THAN ST. LOUIS, BUT THEY'RE IN PLACE TO PASS ST. LOUIS WITHIN THE NEXT DECADE, ORLANDO AND CHARLOTTE PROBABLY BEING THE TOP TWO TO PASS ST. LOUIS IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING PRACTICALLY.

>> THIS POPULATION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, DOES THAT INCLUDE -- BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IN THE CENSUS, IT'S IN ANOTHER STATE, BUT ARE WE INCLUDING THE METRO EAST AREA?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> SO OF OUR AREAS, AND I THAT ST. LOUIS HAS THE SMALLER POPULATION, THE METRO EAST OR ST. LOUIS COUNTY, BUT WHO IS THE -- WHERE IS THE REAL PROBLEM AT, IF THAT'S THE WAY TO KIND OF PHRASE IT, WHERE DO WE NEED AN INFLUX OF PEOPLE BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE?

>> I THINK YOU NEED IT FOR THE ENTIRE REGION.

>> OKAY.

>> I DO THINK THAT THE COUNTIES ON THE ILLINOIS SIDE, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT OLDER AND SO THEY'RE NOT HAVING AS MANY BABIES, SO IF YOU WOULD SAY THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, LET'S SAY THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, IT IS BUILDING ON THE ILLINOIS SIDE OF TRYING TO ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO COME IN.

I'LL SAY THIS THOUGH.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CENSUS AND WE CAN LOOK AT BIRTHS AND DEATHS, WE SHOULD HAVE GROWN FASTER.

WE SHOULD HAVE GROWN BY AT LEAST 75,000 PEOPLE SIMPLY FROM BIRTHS.

AND SO THE FACT THAT WE ONLY GREW BY ABOUT 32,000 KIND OF IS AN INDICATOR THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE LEAVING.

I MEAN, WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN MORE DETAILED DATA THAT WE HAVE FAMILIES WHO ARE LEAVING, WHITE FAMILIES AND AFRICAN AMERICAN FAMILIES WHO HAVE LEFT THE REGION, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD KEEP AN EYE ON BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THAT TREND TO CONTINUE OVER THE NEXT DECADE.

THIS WOULD BE A BIG HURDLE FOR THE REGION IF WE START TO SEE LARGE NUMBERS OF AFRICAN AMERICAN FAMILIES LEAVE THE REGION.

>> SOME OF OUR COUNTIES ARE DOING REASONABLY WELL.

FRANKLIN COUNTY, WARREN COUNTY, ST. CHARLES COUNTY.

>> SO ON PAPER THEY'RE DOING GOOD, BUT WHEN YOU START TO LOOK AT THE KNEWANS, I WOULD SAY A -- AT THE KNEWANS A LOT OF THE GROWTH IS ACTUALLY INTERNAL MIGRATION.

WE SEE PEOPLE LEAVING THE CITY AND MOVING OUT TO ST. LOUIS COUNTY, WE SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM ST. LOUIS COUNTY MOVING OUT TO ST. CHARLES COUNTY AND WE SEE SOME PEOPLE FROM ST. CHARLES COUNTY MOVING OUT TO OTHER COUNTIES.

A LOT OF GROWTH WE'RE SEEING IS MISLEADING BECAUSE IT'S INTERNAL MIGRATION, PEOPLE MOVING FROM COUNTY TO COUNTY.

>> SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU HAVE PEOPLE MOVING TO ST. CHARLES OR WARREN COUNTY FROM NESS SANDOVASHVILLE OR BOSTON?

>> NOT AT THE NET LEVEL.

WE SAW A 32,000 INCREASE NET AND THAT'S NOT ENOUGH.

ST. LOUIS COUNTY, WE SAW AN INCREASE, BUT IT WAS A REALLY SLOW INCREASE.

BACK BEFORE 2000, THERE ARE STILL MORE PEOPLE IN ST. LOUIS THAN TODAY, SO WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE WERE ONE THE SLOWEST GROWING REGIONS OF THE TOP 50 IN THE UNITED STATES, SO I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO BE IN THAT PROFILE IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS.

>> SO THAT LEADS TO SOMETHING I WANTED TO ASK YOU.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE POPULATION OF ST. LOUIS COUNTY AND ST. LOUIS CITY AND THEY SAY, WELL, ST. CHARLES IS BENEFITING BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS MOVING THERE, WHATEVER.

ISN'T IT TRUE THAT ACTUALLY PEOPLE THAT LIVE WEST OF WHAT ARE OUR REGION, ACTUALLY DO MOVE INTO OUR REGION AND SO THAT HELPS, LIKE, KIND OF BOLSTER ST. CHARLES'S CLAIM THAT EVERYBODY IS MOVING HERE, THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM BOONE COUNTY OR WHATEVER THAT ACTUALLY MOVE INTO OUR REGION?

>> I THINK YOU -- I THINK PART OF THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE SEEN IN ST. CHARLES -- AND WE'RE GOING TO GET MORE DATA AND PROBABLY SHOW THAT A LOT OF GROWTH IN ST. CHARLES COUNTY CAME FROM ST. LOUIS COUNTY.

I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE OVERALL CONCLUSION.

WE DO HAVE PEOPLE FROM CHICAGO, FROM INDIANAPOLIS, WHO ARE MOVING TO THE REGION.

WE ALSO HAVE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LEAVING ST. LOUIS, MOVING TO HOUSTON, MOVING TO ATLANTA, AND SO WE HAVE A NET EFFECT.

WE CAN SEE THAT ST. LOUIS COUNTY IS MISSING A LOT OF RESIDEOF WHITE RESIDENTS AND SO HAPPENED THAT ST. CHARLES COUNTY SAW A LOT OF WHITE RESIDENTS INCREASE.

AS PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO LIVE THE AMERICAN DREAM, PART OF THAT AMERICAN DREAM IS TO BUY A HOUSE, AND ST. CHARLES COUNTY IS STILL MORE AFFORDABLE THAN IT IS IN ST. LOUIS COUNTY.

SO YOU DO SEE PEOPLE WHO WANT THE AMERICAN DREAM, IT'S JEFFERSON COUNTY AND ST. CHARLES COUNTY WHERE IT'S STILL REALISTIC FOR A LOT OF YOUNG FAMILIES.

>> FOR MOST MAJOR AMERICAN CITIES, MEXICAN AMERICANS REPRESENT THE LARGEST GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE BORN OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES AND ARE LIVING IN THOSE METRO AREAS.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE IN ST. LOUIS.

WHAT IMMIGRANT GROUP REPRESENTS THE LARGEST INFLUX OF IMMIGRANTS IN OUR AREA?

>> THIS IS ACTUALLY A VERY -- I THINK IT'S A GOOD STORY FOR ST. LOUIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALL BAD NEWS.

SO IT IS TRUE THAT IN ALMOST EVERY AMERICAN METROPOLITAN REGION, THE MEXICAN FOREIGN-BORN IS THE LARGEST FOREIGN-BORN POPULATION AND THAT WAS TRUE FOR THE ST. LOUIS METROPOLITAN REGION.

BUT ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO, WE STARTED TO SEE SOME TRENDS THAT SAID IF THE TRENDS CONTINUE, THE MEXICAN FOREIGN-BORN WOULD NOT BE THE LARGEST AND SO HAPPENED ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, IT GOT WITHIN THE RANGE WHERE THE INDIAN FOREIGN-BORN POPULATION WAS STATISTICALLY TIED WITH THE MEXICAN FOREIGN-BORN POPULATION AND THE LATEST DATA WE HAVE NOW IS THAT IT'S NO LONGER A STATISTICAL TIE.

THE FOREIGN-BORN INDIAN POPULATION IS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN THE MEXICAN FOREIGN-BORN POPULATION AND WHAT'S INTERESTING INTEREST THE TREND IS IT'S HAPPENING IN ST. LOUIS COUNTY.

WE LOOK AT THE MUNICIPALITIES IN ST. LOUIS COUNTY, WE START TO SEE SOME REALLY INTERESTING TRENDS.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, CHESTERFIELD NOW HAS THE FOURTH LAR GERS IMMIGRANT POPULATION IN -- LARGEST IMMIGRANT POPULATION IN THE STATE OF MISSOURI.

>> WOW.

>> THAT'S PRETTY AMAZING.

MARYLAND HEIGHTS WAS ONE OF THE LARGEST IMMIGRANT POPULATIONS IN THE STATE OF MISSOURI, SO WHEN WE START TO SEE WHO'S DRIVING THIS POPULATION, IT'S THE INDIAN FOREIGN-BORN POPULATION THAT'S LIVING IN THAT 270 CORRIDOR.

>> IF I CAN JUMP IN HERE, WHICH COUNTY HAS MORE LATINOS?

ST. CHARLES OR THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS?

>> ST. CHARLES.

ST. CHARLES HAS SURPASSED THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS IN TERMS OF THE LARGEST LATINO POPULATION.

IT'S STILL ST. LOUIS COUNTY, BUT ST. CHARLES IS SECOND.

I THINK WHAT REPRESENTS THE LARGER DEMOGRAPHIC PATTERN FOR THE REGION IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE GROWTH HAS OCCURRED OUTSIDE THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS.

ST. LOUIS HAS EXPERIENCED A DECLINE, BUT WE LOOK AT THE FOREIGN-BORN POPULATION, LATINO POPULATION, ASIAN POPULATION, THE GROWTH IS OCCURRING OUTSIDE THE CITY BOUNDARIES.

>> I SAY THIS HALF JOKINGLY AND HALF SERIOUS.

DOES CHESTERFIELD KNOW THAT THEY ARE -- >> THEY TRY TO PROMOTE IT.

CHESTERFIELD, MARYLAND HEIGHTS, TOWN AND COUNTRY, THESE ARE NOW OFFICIALLY IMMIGRANT DESTINATIONS.

CLAYTON IS ON THE VERGE OF BECOMING AN IMMIGRANT DESTINATION.

OLIVETTE IS ON THE VERGE, WILDWOOD ON THE VERGE OF BECOMING A IMMIGRANT DESTINATION.

SO THESE, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT BENCHMARK BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A VERY LARGE IMMIGRANT POPULATION, BUT IN THESE MUNICIPALITIES, YOU'RE GETTING SIGNIFICANT CONCENTRATION OF IMMIGRANTS.

SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SURPRISED.

TOWN AND COUNTRY IS AN IMMIGRANT DESTINATION?

I'M LIKE YEAH, IT'S REACHED THE PERCENT OF THE POPULATION WHERE IT'S GREATER THAN THE PERCENT THE FOREIGN-BORN FOR THE U.S. >> AND LOT OF THESE IMMIGRANTS TO PLACES LIKE CREVE COEUR, TOWN AND COUNTRY, CLAYTON, CHESTERFIELD, ARE PRETTY WELL EDUCATED.

>> YEAH, SO THIS IS A -- THE IMMIGRANT POPULATION IN THE ST. LOUIS METROPOLITAN REGION IS A LITTLE -- IT'S DIFFERENT THAN YOU WOULD FIND IN THE KIND OF CITY LIKE CHICAGO.

IT TENDS TO BE HIGHER ECONOMIC STANDING, HIGHER EDUCATIONAL ACHIEVEMENT, SO WE'RE GETTING A DIFFERENT PROFILE OF IMMIGRANTS WHO ARE COMING TO THE REGION COMPARED TO OTHER METROPOLITAN AREAS.

I THINK THIS IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO -- THE TREND IS GOING TO CONTINUE.

I THINK THE COMPLICATION, THOUGH, FOR ST. LOUIS IS THAT IF YOU WANT TO GROW THE WAY SOME OF THE OTHER METROPOLITAN REGIONS ARE GROWING, YOU NEED THE MEXICAN FOREIGN-BORN POPULATION TO GROW.

YOU LOOK AT CHARLOTTE, YOU LOOK AT NASHVILLE, THEY'RE GROWING EXPONENTIALLY BECAUSE IT'S THE MEXICAN FOREIGN-BORN.

IT'S THE MEXICAN AMERICANS AS WELL THAT ARE MOVING TO THESE REGIONS.

SO IT'S A VERY NICE AND A VERY POSITIVE STORY WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE 270 CORRIDOR, BUT IF YOU'RE -- IF WE WANT TO REIMAGINE OURSELVES AS A TOP 20 METROPOLITAN REGION, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT PART OF THAT DISCUSSION HAS TO BE -- WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR BLACK FAMILIES IN THE ST. LOUIS METROPOLITAN REGION, WE NEED TO KEEP OUR WHITE FAMILIES IN ST. LOUIS, BUT WE HAVE TO START INCREASING THE LATINO AND ASIAN POPULATION, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL.

>> THE CENSUS CONCLUDED, THE LATEST ONE AS WE GET THESE NUMBERS, THE NATION IS BECOMING MORE DIVERSE.

IS THE ST. LOUIS AREA BECOMING MORE DIVERSE AS WELL?

>> EMPIRICALLY IT'S BECOMING MORE DIVERSE.

ON PAPER, IT IS MORE DIVERSE.

100% OF THE POPULATION GROWTH CAME FROM RACIAL MINORITIES, AND SO THE ABSOLUTE GROWTH WE'RE SEEING IS MORE DIVERSE, BUT THE GROWTH IS VERY SMALL IN TERMS OF ABSOLUTE NUMBERS.

SO WE'RE IN THE RIGHT -- WE HAVE THE RIGHT PROFILE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL.

WE JUST NEED THE NUMBERS TO BE BIGGER.

SO INSTEAD OF 32,000 NET GAIN, WE NEED 500,000, 750,000 NET GAIN.

>> RIGHT.

>> TO REALLY SEE THAT DEMOGRAPHIC MOMENTUM PUSH ST. LOUIS BACK INTO THE TOP 20 METRO REGIONS.

>> PROFESSOR, WHY DO MEXICAN AMERICANS SEEM NOT TO WANT TO COME TO ST. LOUIS?

>> I THINK THAT PART OF IT -- I THINK PART OF IT IS HISTORICAL, THAT THE CITY BECAME ONE OF THE GATEWAYS TO CHICAGO AND IT WAS NOT ST. LOUIS.

SO ONCE YOU ESTABLISH THESE PATTERNS, THEY TEND TO BE IMPORTANT CITIES.

SO ST. LOUIS JUST WAS NOT PART OF THAT -- PART THEREFORE TRANSITION TO GET TO CHICAGO, IT WAS KANSAS CITY.

BUT I THINK NOW, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION OF WHY ST. LOUIS -- ALTHOUGH WE DID EXPERIENCE GROWTH, WE'RE NOT SEEING THE GROWTH THAT NASHVILLE SEES.

WE'RE NOT SEEING THE GROWTH THAT CHARLOTTE'S SEEN AND THESE ARE NOT CITIES THAT WERE TRADITIONAL GATEWAY CITIES FOR THE MEXICAN POPULATION.

SO I THINK THERE IS A PERCEPTION, RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY, THAT BECAUSE ST. LOUIS IS IN MISSOURI, I BELIEVE THERE IS A PERCEPTION THAT MISSOURI DOES NOT WELCOME MEXICAN IMMIGRANTS.

IF YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF THE RHETORIC, I THINK YOU COULD SAY THAT THAT'S PROBABLY A FAIR CONCLUSION.

AND WE HAVE SEEN OVER THE PAST TEN YEARS, WHENEVER THERE'S VERY -- WHEN THERE'S BILLS THAT ARE INTRODUCED IN JEFFERSON CITY THAT HAVE A CERTAIN TYPE OF RHETORIC, WE SEE A DECLINE.

>> REALLY?

>> YEAH.

>> WELL, KANSAS CITY IS IN MISSOURI.

OBVIOUSLY KANSAS IS THERE WHERE SOME GREAT PEOPLE WENT TO COLLEGE, LIKE MYSELF, SO I WAS GOING TO SAY, IT'S MORE ATTITUDE THAN LATITUDE OR LONGITUDE THAT, FOR SOME REASON, KANSAS CITY, LET'SES GO THERE AND THEN MAYBE GO SOMEPLACE ELSE OR STAY?

>> WELL AN INTERESTING POINT ABOUT THAT THOUGH, THE MEXICAN IMMIGRANTS LIVE ON THE KANSAS SIDE.

>> OKAY, ALL RIGHT.

>> NOT ON THE MISSOURI SIDE OF THE CITY.

>> ALL RIGHT.

HOW ABOUT HAITIANS?

HOW ABOUT AFGHANIS?

IS IT POSSIBLE TO ATTRACT A SIGNIFICANT -- MAYBE MORE THAN A THOUSAND HERE A THOUSAND THERE?

IS IT POSSIBLE TO WELCOME THESE INDIVIDUALS INTO OUR AREA?

>> ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE, BUT THESE ARE STILL SMALL NUMBERS.

A THOUSAND HERE A THOUSAND THERE.

THESE ARE NOT THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE SEEING IN HOUSTON, TEXAS, WE'RE SEEING IN PHOENIX, WE'RE SEEING IN ATLANTA.

WE'RE TALKING 30,000, 40,000 PEOPLE MOVING IN.

AND SO EVERY NUMBER HELPS, BUT WHEN WE -- IF WE WANT TO STAY A MAJOR METROPOLITAN REGION, TOP 25, TOP 20, WE NEED MAJOR CHANGES IN OUR DEMOGRAPHIC PROFILE AS A REGION.

>> HOW DO YOU DO THAT?

I MEAN, THERE ARE NO TV COMMERCIALS THAT KIND OF SAY YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME TO ST. LOUIS NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE.

I DON'T THINK TOO MANY REGIONS HAVE THOSE.

HOW DO YOU ADDRESS IT?

IF YOU SAY, LIKE, OKAY, WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF STRATEGY TO DO THIS, HOW DO WE DO THAT?

>> YOU HAVE TO REACH THE YOUNGER POPULATION.

>> OKAY.

>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHIC TRENDS, PART OF WHERE WE LOOK ARE AGE AND SEX, AND I'M GOING TO SHOW A COUPLE DEMOGRAPHIC FACTS THAT GET US THINKING ABOUT THIS.

IN HOUSTON, TEXAS, MORE BABIES WILL BE BORN IN HOUSTON THAN THE ENTIRE STATE OF MISSOURI.

>> OH, WOW.

>> IN A YEAR?

>> IN A YEAR.

>> ONE YEAR, OKAY.

>> THERE ARE MORE CHILDREN IN LOS ANGELES MSA THAT ARE LATINO UNDER 5 THAN THE ENTIRE STATE OF MISSOURI.

JUST LATINOS.

THESE ARE THE YOUNG PEOPLE.

THESE ARE VERY YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT GOING TO STAY IN LOS ANGELES, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO STAY IN HOUSTON.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE LEAVING AND SO WE HAVE TO REACH THIS POPULATION AND GET A SENSE K THEY IMAGINE THEMSELVES LIVING IN ST. LOUIS, RIGHT?

WHEN YOU TALK TO YOUNG CHILDREN, I WANT TO GO TO LOS ANGELES, I WANT TO GO TO MIAMI.

BECAUSE IN THEIR MIND, THEY CAN SEE WHAT LIFE IS LIKE NOO THESE CITIES.

I HAVE YET TO MEET YOUNG PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY WANT TO MAKE THEIR LIFE IN ST. LOUIS.

OR THEY -- I DON'T SEE PEOPLE SAYING THAT -- THEY COME TO ST. LOUIS BECAUSE OF A JOB, BOUGHT HOW MANY YOUNG PEOPLE COME TO ST. LOUIS BECAUSE THEY IMAGINE WHAT THE CITY IS LIKE AND THEN THEY FIND A JOB LATER?

>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT IMMIGRANT CHILDREN OR ALL CHILDREN?

>> I'M TALKING ALL CHILDREN.

>> ALL CHILDREN.

>> ANY CHILD UNDER 5 TODAY, WE HAVE TO REACH THEM AND SAY MISSOURI -- ARE YOU SAYING UNDER 5?

>> UNDER 5.

>> HOW WOULD A METROPOLITAN AREA TRY TO REACH A 4-YEAR-OLD?

>> I'M BEING VERY UTOPIAN HERE.

YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND PROMOTE YOUR CITY AND YOUR REGION, AND YOU HAVE TO PUT IT IN THE CHILD'S MIND THAT LIFE IN ST. LOUIS IS GREAT.

IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT COST OF LIVING.

I HEAR THIS A LOT.

THERE ARE LOTS OF PLACES THAT ARE CHEAPER TO LIVE THAN ST. LOUIS AND PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING THERE BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT DIVERSITY, THEY WANT TO SEE AND CONSUME A CERTAIN TYPE OF AMERICAN LIFE, AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT IN YOUR CITY, THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO OTHER CITIES.

THIS IS WHY MIAMI CAPTURES A LOT OF THE IMAGINATION BECAUSE MIAMI IS A VERY DIVERSE CITY.

THIS IS WHY WE LOOK AT HOUSTON, TEXAS.

HOUSTON, I THINK PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN HOUSTON, TEXAS.

IT IS -- THE DEMOGRAPHIC TRANSITIONS IN TEXAS ARE AMAZING.

DALLAS, THESE REGIONS ARE GROWINGS AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE LEAVING.

THE QUESTION FOR US AS A REGION, ARE WE GOING TO LET THEM GO TO NASHVILLE, OR ARE WE GOING TO FIGHT AND SAY COME TO ST. LOUIS, COME TO MISSOURI, AND THINK ABOUT HAVING A LIFE HERE?

>> COME ON, CHARLIE, WHEN WE WERE YOUNG, YOU REMEMBER, I LOVE NEW YORK.

I'D NEVER BEEN TO NEW YORK.

REMEMBER, VIRGINIA IS FOR LOVERS?

WHAT IS THAT ABOUT?

PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN VIRGINIA LOVE THE PLACE.

I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO MAKE YOUNGER PEOPLE, JUST KIND OF SAY, LIKE MISSOURI, ST. LOUIS, WHAT'S THAT ABOUT?

BECAUSE THAT'S A FASCINATING COMMERCIAL OR THAT'S SOMETHING I NEVER THOUGHT OF, OTHER THAN THE CARDINALS, BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.

IT'S DOABLE, YOU THINK IT'S DOABLE?

>> PEOPLE OUR AGE, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE BECAUSE OF JOBS, BUT YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO MOVE ARE GOING TO MOVE BECAUSE OF AN IMAGINATION OF A DREAM.

AND I WOULD SAY RIGHT NOW, NOBODY'S DREAMING ABOUT COMING TO ST. LOUIS WHEN THEY'RE LEAVING DALLAS OR HOUSTON.

THEY'RE DREAMING OUT, I WANT TO GO TO ORLANDO, I WANT TO GO TO MIAMI, I WANT TO GO TO ATLANTA, WASHINGTON, D.C. >> THAT COULD BE TRUE.

I JUST THINK THAT POSITIONING THE CITY TO 4-YEAR-OLD IS A LITTLE YOUNG.

IF YOU SAID 18 TO 22-YEAR-OLDS, PEOPLE IN COLLEGE WHEN THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT WHERE THEY MIGHT WANT TO MOVE TO, LET'S SAY AFTER ST. LOUIS UNIVERSITY, WHICH IS KIND OF OUR CHALLENGE.

HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THE GRADUATES FROM WASH-U AND WE ARE WEBSTER AND ST. LOUIS UNIVERSITY, AFTER THAT LAST COMMENCEMENT SPEECH AT THE GRADUATION EXERCISES, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THEY STAY HERE AND NOT HEAD WITH THE FAMILY TO LAMBERT AND GO TO AUSTIN, BOSTON, NASHVILLE, OR COLUMBUS, OHIO?

>> THIS IS THE CHALLENGE.

EVERY YEAR WE HAVE STUDENTS THAT WE TRY TO KEEP HERE IN ST. LOUIS, BUT THEY'RE BEING ACTIVELY RECRUITED TO GO TO SAN FRANCISCO, TO SEATTLE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TALENT.

WE'RE IN COMPETITION.

ST. LOUIS IS IN COMPETITION TO KEEP OUR TALENT HERE WITH OTHER CITIES WHO ARE GROWING WHO NEED THAT TALENT.

AND SO I THINK WE HAVE TO -- PART OF IT IS GOOD-PAYING JOBS, BUT PART OF IT IS ALSO TRYING TO HAVE STUDENTS RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A LIFE HERE IN ST. LOUIS, THERE IS A SENSE OF DIVERSITY THAT THEY CAN HAVE HERE.

I THINK ONE OF THE CHALLENGES FOR ST. LOUIS THAT THESE OTHER CITIES THAT ARE EMERGING DON'T HAVE IS WE STILL HAVE INEQUALITY WITHIN THE CITY AND IN THE SUBURBS, SO THE TYPE OF SPATIAL INEQUALITY WE SEE DOES NOT REALLY EXIST IN NASHVILLE.

THERE'S INEQUALITY THERE, BUT NOT AT THE MAGNITUDE WE SEE HERE IN THE CITY AND THE SUBURBS, SO THIS IS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WHEN PEOPLE COME, THEY'RE LIKE, I WANT NASHVILLE BECAUSE NASHVILLE IS MORE -- YOU DRIVE THROUGH NASHVILLE AND YOU WALK THROUGH THE CITY, YOU DON'T SEE THESE STARK CHANGES IN THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT.

THIS HAPPENED OVER MANY DECADES, RIGHT, IN THE CITY?

AND I THINK UNFORTUNATELY WHAT HAPPENED IN ST. LOUIS, AS THE REGION GREW, THE SURROGATION IN THE CITY MOVED OUT TO THE SUBURBS AND THIS IS FAIRLY UNIQUE BECAUSE IN MOST AMERICAN CITIES, SUBURBS HAVE MEANT INTEGRATION, BUT IN ST. LOUIS, SUBURBS HAVE MEANT SEPARATION.

THE MAJORITY OF RACIAL SEGREGATION IS ACTUALLY IN THE SUBURBS AND NOT IN THE CITY.

I KNOWS IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT THE CITY IS ACTUALLY MORE RACIALLY INTEGRATED THAN OUR SUBURBS.

YOU WILL NOT FIND THAT IN DENVER, YOU WILL NOT FIND THAT IN HOUSTON, YOU WILL NOT FIND THAT IN AUSTIN.

THE SUBURBS HAVE MEANT LIVING THE AMERICAN DREAM REGARDLESS OF YOUR RACIAL CHARACTERISTICS.

>> OUR LARGEST MINORITY, STILL I WOULD OBVIOUSLY ASSUME IN OUR AREA, IS AFRICAN AMERICAN, BLACK PEOPLE.

>> YES.

>> GOING BACK DECADES.

>> YES.

>> OUR THOUGHTS, THOSE OF US GOING TO COLLEGE, SURE FIRE, GOING TO HAVE CAREERS, JOURNALISM, ENGINEERING, WAS TO GET OUT OF HERE AND WE WENT TO COLLEGE ELSEWHERE AND WE MAY HAVE COME BACK, BUT IT WAS A LOT OF YEARS LATER.

I STILL FEEL THAT THAT'S STILL TRUE, THAT MOST OF US LEFT AND I STILL THINK MOST OF US DON'T COME BACK, AND LIKE -- I WAS 35, YOU KNOW, WHEN I CAME BACK AND REALLY NOT WITH THE INTENTION OF STAYING HERE EXCEPT WE HAD TWO DAUGHTERS LATER IN LIFE.

HOW DO YOU STOP THAT?

I MEAN, JUST -- AND I CAN'T TELL, THIS IS THE TRUTH, I CAN'T TELL A BLACK KID IS GOING TO GO AWAY AND GO TO COLLEGE AND SAY I'M DUMB WITH ST. LOUIS, AND I'M LIKE, I DID THE SAME THING.

SO HOW DO WE STOP THAT?

>> IT'S HARD.

I THINK IT'S HAVING TO GO BACK AND SAY WHAT'S THE DREAM THIS YOU CAN LIVE IN ST. LOUIS.

THIS IS NOT SIMPLY A ST. LOUIS CHALLENGE.

IT'S HAPPENING IN CHICAGO, IT'S HAPPENING IN DETROIT AND MILWAUKEE WHERE WE ARE SEEING SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS OF BLACK FAMILIES MOVE TO THE SOUTH, ESPECIALLY ATLANTA ORLANDO, HOUSTON, AND WASHINGTON, D.C. WHAT THE RESEARCH SHOWS IS THAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE A LOT GREATER THERE IN THESE CITIES BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE DIVERSE AND THE STRUCTURAL DISCRIMINATIONS DON'T REALLY EXIST AT THE LEVEL THEY DO HERE IN THE REGION.

IT'S DIFFICULT.

THESE ARE CHALLENGES WE AS A REGION HAVE TO CONFRONT, THAT IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEAL WITH THE INEQUALITY WITHIN OUR BUILT ENVIRONMENT, IT'S HARD TO TELL PEOPLE TO STAY IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN THEY CAN MOVE TO DENVER OR MOVE TO AUSTIN AND HAVE A COMPLETE DIFFERENT METROPOLITAN OPPORTUNITY STRUCTURE FOR THEIR CHILDREN, FOR THEIR FAMILIES, WHERE THEY GET A DIFFERENT SENSE OF WHAT THAT AMERICAN DREAM CAN BE ABOUT.

>> WHAT ABOUT OUR AREA AN AFFORDABLE AND IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO RAISE KIDS.

>> IT IS AFFORDABLE, BUT THE YOUNG GENERATION, THAT'S ONE OF MANY CHARACTERISTICS THAT THEY LOOK AT WHEN THEY LOOK AT CITIES IS AFFORDABILITY.

THEY'RE LOOKING FOR DIVERSITY, WHAT -- THEY THINK OF CREATIVITY.

WHAT MOTIVATES CREATIVE IS INTERACTING WITH DIFFER PEOPLE, GOING TO DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESTAURANTS, DIFFERENT TYPES OF CULTURAL AND SPORTING EVENTS.

THE YOUNGER GENERATION IS MOTIVATED BY MANY DIFFERENT FACTORS AND ONE OF THEM IS COST OF LIVING.

NOW, WE'RE MORE SENSITIVE AT OUR AGE TO COST OF LIVING, BUT IF YOU'RE 21, 22, I KNOW WHEN I MOVED, I'M LIKE, I'M GOING TO WASHINGTON, D.C., AND I DON'T CARE HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS BECAUSE I WANT THAT CULTURAL LIFE OF WASHINGTON, D.C. >> SURE.

>> AND I THINK WE DON'T OFFER THAT TYPE OF CULTURAL LIFE THAT D.C. OFFERS.

I WOULD EVEN SAY IT'S TRUE FOR ATLANTA.

A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE ATLANTA BECAUSE OF WHAT ATLANTA HAS TO OFFER, PHOENIX, HOUSTON, DALLAS.

THEY'VE ALL BUILT A METROPOLITAN OPPORTUNITY STRUCTURE WHERE PEOPLE SEE THEY CAN HAVE ACCESS TO IT.

>> WELL, I'VE BEEN TO A FEW OF THEM.

WE CALL THAT FAMILIARIZATION TOURS, FAM TOURS.

DO WE DO THAT IN ST. LOUIS?

DO WE FIND YOUNG PEOPLE, COME HERE, CHECK IT OUT, THIS IS WHAT WE GOT?

>> WE DO FIND YOUNG PEOPLE COMING FROM THE COAST.

PEOPLE LEAVING COST, SAN FRANCISCO, NEW YORK, THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE CITIES WE'RE SEEING SOME YOUNG WHITE FAMILIES COMING INTO THE REGION, BUT WE'RE ALSO SEEING FAMILIES LEAVE, SO THIS IS IN DEMOGRAPHY, IT'S NOT SIMPLY GETTING PEOPLE TO COME IN, YOU GOT TO -- ONCE 000 -- ONCE THEY'RE HERE, YOU GOT TO KEEP THEM HERE, SO THE POPULATION CHANGES.

THE CENSUS RELEASED THE DATABASE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, AND IT SHOWED WE'RE STILL LOSING PEOPLE.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT AFFORDABILITY ALL WE WANT.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO TO ATLANTA, THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO DALLAS, HOUSTON, BECAUSE THOSE CITIES OFFER SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFERENT.

>> WE HAVE LESS THAN TWO MINUTES TO GO.

CAN YOU GIVE US A QUICK PRESCRIPTION OF WHAT WE SHOULD DO, MAYBE TWO OR THREE BULLET POINTS WE MIGHT CONSIDER BEFORE THE NEXT CENSUS IS TAKEN?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

IF WE'RE GOING TO GROW AS A REGION, WITH EVER TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GROW BASED ON WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL.

AND THERE ARE THREE GROUPS THAT ARE GROWING.

LATINOS, ASIAN AND MULTIRACIAL.

THE BLACK POPULATION IS GROWING, BUT NOT AS FAST AS THOSE.

IF WE'RE GOING TO GROW, WE NEED TO DIVERSIFY WITH THAT GROWTH.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A POPULATION OF ABOUT 106 LATINOS.

IF WE'RE GOING TO BE A MAJOR METROPOLITAN REGION, WE NEED TO BE ABOUT 300, 4,000 LATINOS IN THE -- 400,000 LATINOS IN THE NEXT DECADE.

OUR ASIAN POPULATION HAS TO DOUBLE.

IF WE DO THAT, POSSIBLY WE'LL BE COMPETITIVE, BUT WE HAVE THESE OTHER REGIONS, CHARLOTTE AND ORLANDO THAT ARE COMING FAST AND THEIR GROWTH IS DRIVEN BY LATINO POPULATION GROWTH.

>> I WAS THINKING T I HOPE DR. SANDOVAL STAYS IN ST. LOUIS BECAUSE I WOULDN'T LOOK TOO GOOD IF WE SAY PROFESSOR SAND DOFRL WHO IS MOVED OUT OF TOWN.

>> THE NUMBERS YOU JUST SHARED RIGHT THERE THE AT END, THAT NEEDS TO BE OUT THERE.

THESE ARE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WE NEED.

PRETTY SIMPLE, BUT VERY INTELLECTUAL.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME.

>> AND HELLO TO ALL THE FOLKS AT ST. LOUIS UNIVERSITY.

GO BILL LICK CANS.

THAT'S IT FOR THIS EDITION OF NEXT UP.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.

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