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AS RAIL PREPARES TO DEVASTATE HAMAS.

ISRAEL'S FRIENDS WORE NOT TO PUNISH GAZA CIVILIANS.

MATH DISPLACEMENT NEARLY 3000 AND AND BASIC SUPPLIES RUNNING OUT .

WE WILL HAVE A REPORT FROM INSIDE.

AND THE MAIN U.N.

RELIEF CORPS COORDINATOR JOINTS ME.

THEN 1400 PEOPLE IN ISRAEL ARE DEAD .

MY CONVERSATION WITH THE OPPOSITION LEADER ON ISRAEL'S AND GAME .

ALSO AHEAD VIOLENCE IN THE OCCUPIED WEST BANK I SPEAK TO PALESTINIAN POLITICIAN ABOUT THE WIDER FALLOUT.

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SUSAN TALKS TO HARRY ABOUT THE ENDLESS RACE FOR HOUSE SPEAKER .

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>> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM EVERYONE I AM CHRISTINA LAPORTE IN LONDON THIS JUST IN FROM ISRAEL.

THE TOP SECURITY CHIEF SAYS THE RESPONSIBILITY IS ON ME FOR THE DEVASTATING HAMAS TERROR ATTACK CHIEF RONAN BAR ROAD DESPITE A SERIES OF ACTIONS WE CARRIED SUFFICIENT WARNING THAT WOULD ALLOW THE ATTACK TO BE THWARTED .

1400 PEOPLE WERE MASSACRED THAT DAY AND 199 WERE TAKEN HOSTAGE ACCORDING TO THE IDF.

WHILE U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE IS BACK IN ISRAEL TODAY MEETING WITH THE DEFENSE MINISTER AND PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN IN URGENT SHUTTLE DIPLOMACY ACROSS THE REGION TO EVENT A WIDER WAR .

PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN IS TAKING OUT HAMAS EXTREMISTS IS NECESSARY HE CAUTIONS ISRAEL A PROLONGED OCCUPATION OF GAZA WOULD BE A BIG MISTAKE.

ABOUT HALF 1 MILLION PALESTINIANS HAVE HEEDED ISRAEL'S WARNING TO LEAVE THEIR HOMES AND NORTHERN GAZA AND HEAD SOUTH BUT LIFE'S MOST BASIC NECESSITIES ARE DWINDLING FAST.

PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY WARNED GAZA'S PEOPLE FACING REAL FAMINE WHILE ALSO CONDEMNING THE KILLING OF CIVILIANS ON BOTH SIDES.

AS WE SAID 1400 WERE KILLED INSIDE ISRAEL BY HAMAS AND AT LEAST 2800 PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN KILLED IN NINE DAYS OF ISRAELI AIRSTRIKES .

BLINK AND HOPES TO SECURE A TEMPORARY OPENING OF THE ROUGHER BORDER CROSSING TO ALLOW DESPERATELY NEEDED HUMANITARIAN AID IN AND FOREIGN NATIONALS OUT OF GAZA.

IS A CNN JOURNALIST INSIDE GAZA AND HE HAD TO EVACUATE HIS OWN HOME IN THE FACE OF THE AIRSTRIKES HERE IS HIS FIRST- HAND REPORT.

>> [ SPEAKING GLOBAL LANGUAGE ] >> THAT WAS CNN'S GABRIEL WHO YOU CAN SEE HIMSELF IS MARKED THIS PLACE INSIDE GAZA.

THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT UNDER A LOT OF CAUTION FROM INTERNATIONAL ALLIES INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES AS IT IS ABIDING BY THE LAWS OF INTERNATIONAL WAR.

MANY OFFICIALS HAVE TOLD ME THERE WILL BE MISTAKES, THIS IS WAR .

LYNN HASTINGS IS THE UNITED NATIONS RESIDENT COORDINATOR FOR THE OCCUPIED DEPUTY COORDINATOR FOR THE MIDDLE EAST PEACE PROCESS SHE IS CALLING FOR IMMEDIATE UNCONDITIONAL ACCESS FOR LIFESAVING AID IN GAZA.

LYNN HASTINGS WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE THAT REPORT FROM OUR LOCAL COLLEAGUE INSIDE GAZA BUT IT DOES SEEM THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT EVEN TO HEED ISRAEL'S WARNINGS TO LEAVE THE MOST DANGEROUS AREAS.

>> ABSOLUTELY .

IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO TELL 1 MILLION PEOPLE TO LEAVE THEIR HOMES , TO LEAVE HOSPITALS FROM THE NORTH OF GAZA AND GO SOUTH WHEN MOST PEOPLE HAVE NO FUEL , IF THEY HAVE CARS.

OF COURSE, A LOT OF THE ROADS HAVE ALREADY BEEN DESTROYED.

ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE TO EVACUATE HOSPITALS AND FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE THAT QUICKLY .

>> LYNN, FROM WHAT YOU KNOW WE ARE READING YES AND WE ARE OR MAYBE MORE NOW HAVE HEEDED THE WARNING AND ARE LEAVING GAZA CITY .

FOR INSTANCE OFFICIALS, DOCTORS SAY THEY CAN'T.

WHO SAYS IT AMOUNTS FOR A DEATH SENTENCE FOR THOSE IN A HOSPITAL BECAUSE WHO'S GOING TO EVACUATE THEM?

IF THE DOCTORS LEAVE WHO IS GOING TO CARE FOR THEM?

WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE HOSPITAL SITUATION IN GAZA CITY IN THE NORTH ?

>> I AM ACTUALLY IN REGULAR TOUCH WITH SOME OF THE HOSPITALS DIRECTLY IN THEIR CALLING AND PLEADING FOR ASSISTANCE.

BUT LARGELY IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY WILL NOT BE HIT .

THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD TO EVACUATE.

I HAVE BEEN TOLD THE ENTIRE HEALTH SYSTEM HAS COLLAPSED .

THEY HAVE ASKED UNITED NATIONS TO TAKE OVER WHICH WE HAVE NO CAPACITY TO DO AT THE MOMENT.

IT WAS DIRE BEFORE IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF MEDICATIONS AND MEDICAL EQUIPMENT WITHOUT ELECTRICITY AND FULL THEY CANNOT OPERATE THE HOSPITALS.

NOW THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT HOSPITALS BEING DAMAGED AS WELL.

>> WE KNOW AND REPORTED THE U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE AND MANY OF THE REGIONAL ALLIES OF ISRAEL HAVE URGED THEM TO RESPECT THE CIVILIANS BUT ALSO ALLOW YOU MONETARY AND AID IN.

WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE OPENING OR ANY KIND OF INFILTRATION OF HUMANITARIAN AID TO GAZA?

IN AND REPORTED SEEING FIVE FUEL TRUCKS LEAVE THE EGYPTIAN SIDE THAT YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHETHER IT ENTERED GAZA ?

WHAT WOULD FIVE FUEL TRUCKS DO?

>> YES, THOSE FUEL TRUCKS WERE PART OF WHAT WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IN IN TERMS OF A REGULAR FEELING SO THERE IS A FUEL STATION THERE.

THOSE FIVE TRUCKS BEING FUEL IN AND IT'S NOT NEARLY ENOUGH.

HALF THE AMOUNT NORMALLY NEEDED FOR A DAY BUT ANY LITTLE BIT HELPS.

THOSE FIVE TRUCKS CAME AND HAVING SAID THAT OTHER AGENCIES WHO, UNICEF AND THE REFUGEE AGENCY ARE ALL READY TO BRING GOODS IN, MEDICINE, FOOD, WATER AND FUEL FROM EITHER SIDE .

EITHER EGYPT OR ISRAEL THEY ARE READY TO GO BUT WE'RE JUST NOT ABLE TO PUT THEM IN.

>> U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR OVER THE WEEKEND JAKE SULLIVAN SAID ISRAEL HAS TURNED THE WATER TAPS OFF HOWEVER IT WORKS WATER IS NOW BEING ALLOWED TO GET INTO WALLS APPEARED HOWEVER LOCAL AUTHORITIES AND PEOPLE THERE SAY THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

I'M GOING TO PLAY YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN INTERVIEW FROM A PALESTINIAN PRESIDENT OF GAZA.

>> I HAVE COME TO GET WATER, WE DON'T HAVE ANY WATER.

WE HAVE REACHED A DISASTROUS SITUATION BELOW ZERO.

THE SITUATION IS CATASTROPHIC BY ALL STANDARDS WITH THE CRISIS IN FOOD, WATER AND ELECTRICITY.

PEOPLE CANNOT DO ANYTHING IN THE CURRENT CONDITIONS.

IF YOU GO TO THE HOMES AND FILM INSIDE YOU WILL SEE EXTREMELY DIRE SITUATIONS.

>> WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE BASIC NECESSITIES SUCH AS WATER?

>> SO BEFORE OCTOBER 7th MOST PALESTINIANS RELIED ON BOTTLED WATER BECAUSE THE WATER IN GAZA IS HIGHLY CONTAMINATED.

SO WITHOUT FUEL THAT MEANS THE WATER CANNOT BE DESALINATED BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY BOTTLED WATER FOR THE PAST 10 DAYS THERE IS NO LONGER WATER AVAILABLE IN ANY SHOP THAT HAPPENS TO STILL BE OPEN .

WITH RESPECT TO THE WATER TAPS BEING TURNED ON AND I DO NEED TO REFERENCE THE FACT FOR YOUR VIEWERS ISRAEL DID TURN OFF ELECTRICITY AND WATER AND OF COURSE HAVE PREVENTED FOOD AND FUEL TICKET INTO GAZA .

WHAT WE WHAT WE ARE HEARING AND IN TERMS OF THAT TAP THAT GOT TURNED BACK ON BECAUSE OF THE UNSTRUCTURED DAMAGE INSIDE OF GAZA INCLUDING THE WATER NETWORK ONLY ONE PIPELINE IS WORKING IN THE SOUTHEAST PART OF THE GAZA STRIP.

TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MANY PEOPLE STILL.

>> LYNN, WE HAVE A BAD CONNECTION BUT I NEED TO ASK YOU THIS BECAUSE WE WILL SOON HEAR FROM MY ISRAEL WITH ISRAELI FORMER PRIME MINISTER, HE SAID HAMAS IS TRYING TO PREVENT AID FROM COMING IN.

SAID IS ESSENTIALLY ON THEM THIS.

WHAT ARE YOUR PEOPLE INSIDE THE U.N. WORKERS SAYING TO HAMAS ABOUT SOME OF THIS AND ARE YOU SEEING ANY EVIDENCE THAT HAMAS IS STEALING AID IF THERE IS ANY OR PREVENTING AID FROM COMING IN?

>> SOME PALESTINIANS MAY HAVE TAKEN GOODS LEFT IN SHELTERS OR RELOCATE FROM BUT HAMAS IS NOT STOPPING US FROM BRINGING AID IN BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ABLE TO BRING AID IN.

>> LYNN HASTINGS THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US.

NOW TODAY IRAN'S FOREIGN MINISTER DEMANDED AN IMMEDIATE END TO THE VIOLENCE ANY POSTED TIME IS RUNNING OUT FOR POLITICAL SOLUTIONS .

PROBABLE SPREAD OF WAR AND OTHER FRONTS IS APPROACHING UNAVOIDABLE STAGE.

THIS IS EXTREMELY DIRE AND THIS IS ALSO WHAT THE UNITED STATES IS WORRIED ABOUT WHY IT SENT ITS CARRIER GROUPS TO THE REGION AND WHITE SECRETARY OF STATE BLINKEN IS THERE AND WHAT THE ISRAELIS WERE WORRIED ABOUT AS WELL.

EVEN IN THE CURRENT CRISIS ISRAEL LACKS FULL POLITICAL UNITY ALTHOUGH ALL ARE ON BOARD WITH THE WAR TO DESTROY HAMAS.

OPPOSITION LEADER CHOSE NOT TO JOIN THE WARTIME GOVERNMENT ACCUSING THE CURRENT COALITION JOINED ME FROM JERUSALEM AMID AIR RAID SIRENS PREPARING WITH HIS MEETING FOR SECRETARY OF STATE ANTHONY BLINKEN.

>> YAIR LAPID, WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> WE JUST SPOKE TO LYNN HASTINGS BASIN ISRAEL WHO THEY SAID I.E.

YOUTH THEY WANT TO DESTROY HAMAS BUT THE CURRENT TRAJECTORY WILL DESTROY GAZA.

DO YOU AGREE?

ARE YOU PLANNING TO DESTROY AT LEAST NORTHERN GAZA AND GAZA CITY WHICH IS WHY HE TOLD PEOPLE TO MOVE OUT?

>> THE THING IS HAMAS HAS BUILT THE HEADQUARTERS UNDERGROUND IN THE NORTHERN PARTS OF GAZA AND THEY ARE USING THEIR OWN PEOPLE AS HUMAN SHIELDS WHICH IS PREPOSTEROUS AND MONSTROUS.

PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE IT'S POSSIBLE BUT IT IS.

RIGHT NOW WHAT WE ARE DOING IS WE TRY TO CONVINCE PEOPLE AND PUSH PEOPLE OUT OF THE BATTLE ZONE IN ORDER TO AVOID KILLING ARE SHOOTING THEM AND BLOCKADING THE ROADS IN ORDER TO PREVENT THEM FROM RUNNING AWAY FROM A BATTLEGROUND .

WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW IS SOMETHING NO ARMY IN THE HISTORY HAS DONE.

WE ARE TELLING THEM ADVANCE WHERE WE ARE GOING TO INVADE, WHEN WE ARE GOING TO INVADE.

THEY KNOW WHY WE ARE GOING TO INVADE .

WE NEED TO BE BOOTS ON THE GROUND BECAUSE HAMAS IS THERE AND WE DON'T WANT TO, AS I SAID .

WE WANT ANOTHER THING, WE WANT OUR CHILDREN BACK.

KRISTEN, CAN I SHARE A PICTURE WITH YOU?

IT WON'T BE HORRIFIC OR GRAPHIC.

THIS IS FEAR.

HIS NINE MONTH OLD , HE WAS KIDNAPPED , WHERE IS HIS MOTHER?

WHERE IS HIS BROTHER?

HIS FATHER WAS KILLED.

WE WANT HIM BACK.

>> LET ME ASK YOU YAIR LAPID.

>> WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE BABIES ARE BACK HOME.

HORRIBLE THOUGHT AND REALITY.

I WANT TO KNOW WHETHER YOU ARE PUTTING THE HOSTAGES FIRST OR THE DECIMATION OF HAMAS FIRST.

ALREADY HAMAS SAYS AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU CAN CONFIRM THIS THAT 13 HOSTAGES HAVE BEEN KILLED IN AIRSTRIKES.

TELL ME WHAT YOU ARE THINKING.

THEY SAID THEY KNOW WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO INVADE.

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO INVADE?

>> NO, WE GAVE THE PEOPLE OF NORTHERN GAZA A TIMEFRAME IN WHICH THE NEED TO MOVE OUT.

AS I SAID WE ARE DOING THIS ONLY FOR HUMANITARIAN REASONS IN ORDER TO AVOID KILLING THE INNOCENT.

RIGHT NOW ISRAELIS AND PALESTINIANS IN GAZA ARE THE VICTIMS OF HAMAS.

EVERY QUESTION YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT HUMANITARIAN ISSUES YOU SHOULD DIRECT TO HAMAS.

THIS IS NOT OUR WRONGDOING.

EVERYBODY AROUND AND BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER IN ISRAEL AND GAZA ARE THE VICTIMS OF HAMAS.

THIS IS WHY WE MUST GO IN THERE AND MAKE SURE HAMAS IS ELIMINATED ONCE AND FOR ALL .

WE WILL NOT HAVE HAMAS ON THE BORDER IT WAS A MISTAKE TO LET THEM BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND WE HAVE PAID A HORRIBLE PRICE AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN.

>> IS YOUR FIRST PRIORITY HOSTAGES BECAUSE NOW YOU SAY THERE ARE 199.

WHAT IS YOUR FIRST PRIORITY WHEN YOU GO IN?

>> I WISH WE COULD HAVE A FIRST PRIORITY.

WE HAVE TO DO WITH BOTH ISSUES AT THE SAME TIME.

OF COURSE THE FIRST THING WE WANT IS OUR BABIES BACK HOME AND WE ARE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO BRING THEM BACK HOME.

WHAT KIND OF, I DON'T FEEL LIKE I CAN CALL THEM PEOPLE BUT WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE DO THAT?

WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE HIDING BEHIND A NINE-MONTH-OLD BABY?

USING THEM AS A WEAPON?

AS A TOOL.

IT IS BEYOND CYNICISM IT IS MONSTROUS.

>> YOU HAVE MADE YOUR COWS BELL I VERY CLEAR THE QUESTION IS ABOUT THE OTHERS.

IS IT RIGHT TO PUT A GENERAL SIEGE ON THE PALESTINIAN TERRITORY OF GAZA?

SO FAR STILL NO WATER, NO FOOD, NO FUEL ET CETERA.

ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT?

DO YOU SUPPORT THE SIEGE OR ARE YOU GOING TO ALLOW HUMANITARIAN AID TO COME IN VIA EGYPT?

>> THE ANSWER IS WE ARE WORKING WITH THE EGYPTIANS AND THE AMERICANS AND THE U.N. ON HUMANITARIAN AID BECAUSE WE ARE NOT LIKE THEM.

OUR SOURCE OF POWER IS THE FACT WE ARE NOT LIKE THEM.

NOW IT IS A WAR ZONE THAT WE HAVE NO INTEREST IN CAUSING A HUMANITARIAN CRISIS IN GAZA.

THE ONLY PEOPLE DOING IT IS HAMAS THEREFORE YOU SHOULD DIRECT THESE QUESTIONS TO HAMAS.

>> WE WILL DO SO AND HAVE HAMAS SPOKESPERSON ON AIR AND DIRECT THIS VERY QUESTION AS YOU SAY INCLUDING OTHERS.

CAN I ASK YOU ABOUT THE EMERGENCY GOVERNMENT?

CAN YOU DESCRIBE YOUR GOVERNMENT AS A UNITY GOVERNMENT.

WHY ARE YOU NOT IN IT AND DO YOU HAVE FAITH IN THE VERY PEOPLE WHO BENJAMIN NETANYAHU GIVE THE SECURITY FOUL TO, DO YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE THEY WILL BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY MEET YOUR GOALS IN THIS MILITARY WAR IN GAZA?

>> ASSUMING I HAD CONFIDENCE IN THEM I WOULD BE PART OF THIS GOVERNMENT BUT IF YOU WILL EXCUSE ME I FEEL A BIT UNCOMFORTABLE DISCUSSING IS REALLY POLITICS AND INTERNATIONAL MEDIA WHILE WE ARE AT WAR.

I'M GOING TO WORK WITH THE GOVERNMENT FROM OPPOSITION I THINK OPPOSITION HAS AN IMPORTANT ROLE EVEN IN WARTIME.

WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER ON THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT FOR THE ISRAELI PUBLIC FOR CONDUCTING THIS WAR THE RIGHT WAY.

WE HAVE THEIR EAR AND THEY ARE LISTENING.

THERE ARE DIFFERENCES.

I FOR EXAMPLE THINK THAT EXIT STRATEGY OF THIS WAR SHOULD BE THE RETURN OF THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY TO GAZA.

I HAVE A FEELING THAT EXTREMISTS IN THE GOVERNMENT FEELS DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THIS.

THIS IS PART OF THE DIFFERENCE OF OPINIONS WE HAVE IN THIS IS PART OF THE REASON I'M NOT THERE NOW.

EVERYTHING ELSE I FEEL A BIT UNCOMFORTABLE DISCUSSING ON INTERNATIONAL MEDIA.

>> ARE YOU COMFORTABLE DISCUSSING HOW SUCH A FAILURE OF INTELLIGENCE HAPPEN WHERE WERE THE TROOPS?

WHY DID IT TAKE THEM 17 HOURS OR MORE GET TO DEFENDING THEIR PEOPLE?

>> THESE ARE TOUGH QUESTIONS AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE ASKED TO AS WE SPEAK WE HAVE FUNERALS , PEOPLE MORNING, ISRAELI SOLDIERS WHO ARE ORGANIZING EVERYTHING THEN THEY WILL GO INTO BATTLE.

WE WILL HAVE TIME.

EVERY DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY AND ABLE TO INVESTIGATE THEMSELVES WITHOUT HESITANCE IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT WENT WRONG AND SOMETHING WENT TERRIBLY WRONG AS WE ALL KNOW.

WE WILL DO THIS THE DAY AFTER AND NOT WHILE THE WAR .

>> I WANT TO ASK ANOTHER QUESTION THAT SOME OF YOUR ARAB ALLIES ARE RAISING AS YOU KNOW.

THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED OF IN EXODUS , AND EXODUS THAT IS BEING ENCOURAGED FROM GAZA .

NOT JUST OF ASAPH BUT ALSO INTO EGYPT AS WE KNOW THE BORDER IS CLOSED AT THE MOMENT.

MANY PEOPLE IN GAZA FEAR IF THEY LEAVE THEY WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO COME BACK AGAIN.

MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WILL THE PRIME MINISTER GIVE THESE PEOPLE A WRITTEN AGREEMENT THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO THEIR HOMES?

>> I DON'T THINK WE ARE AT THAT STAGE YET.

OF COURSE WE ARE DISCUSSING THINGS WITH THE EGYPTIANS AND I UNDERSTAND THE FACT THAT PEOPLE THEY WILL BUILD TO COME BACK BUT THIS IS PART OF A WAR .

THIS IS A WAR I'M REMINDING YOU AGAIN AND I WON'T BE TIRED OF REMINDING AGAIN AND AGAIN THIS IS A WAR THAT WAS FORCED UPON US.

WE DIDN'T START IT WE DIDN'T WANTED TO HAPPEN WE PAID A HORRIBLE PRICE AND NOW WHAT WERE TRYING TO DO IS DEFEND OUR PEOPLE.

I MET YESTERDAY THE PEOPLE WHO EVACUATED , WHICH I THINK YOU VISITED ONCE AND I MET A 13- YEAR-OLD GIRL AND SHE DESCRIBED TO ME HOW HER BEST FRIEND WAS KILLED IN FRONT OF HER EYES.

I NEED TO PROMISE HER THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN AND THIS IS WHAT WERE DOING RIGHT NOW .

YES THERE WILL BE MISERY AS A RESULT OF THIS AND QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS MISERY SHOULD BE TARGETED AT HAMAS, NOT AT US.

>> WHAT ABOUT FEARS OF A WIDER WAR?

I RAN HAS SAID IT WON'T STAND IDLY BY THE PRESIDENT OF HAS SAID SPEAKING TO THE FRENCH PRESIDENT IF ISRAEL SEEKS TO COMPENSATE FOR ITS FAILURE BY CONTINUING THESE CRIMES THE DIMENSIONS OF DEVELOPMENTS WILLS AND .

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU READ THAT AND DOES YOUR GOVERNMENT AND INTELLIGENCE BELIEVE THERE IS A SMOKING GUN THAT I RAN ACTUALLY HELPED PLAN THIS?

>> FIRST OF ALL IF I MAY QUOTE PRESIDENT BIDEN , IF THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT IT, DON'T .

YES, WE WERE CAUGHT BY SURPRISE AND THE ISRAELI SOUTH NEAR GAZA BUT WE WILL NOT BE SURPRISED AGAIN WE ARE NOT SURPRISED NOW WE ARE ANGRY IF ANYTHING ELSE.

WE ARE AT THE PEAK OF OUR ALERTNESS AND READINESS, THIS IS A VERY BAD IDEA FOR ANYBODY ESPECIALLY UP NORTH TO MESS WITH US NOW.

WE ARE NOT AT THE WEAK POINT IN OUR LIVES, WE ARE AT AN ANGRY POINT IN OUR LIVES.

SO WE'RE TALKING TO AMERICAN THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA TO MESS WITH US NOW AND WE ARE TALKING TO I RUN AND TELLING THEM THROUGH FRIENDS WE ARE GOING TO HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE IF ANYTHING HAPPENS UP NORTH .

HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE ABLE TO AVOID ANOTHER CONFLICT WITH LEBANON.

FOR THE PEOPLE OF LEBANON AND ESPECIALLY FOR , THIS WILL BE A HORRIBLE IDEA TO MESS WITH US NOW.

WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THIS.

>> FINALLY MANY PEOPLE HAVE SUGGESTED A GROUND INVASION WILL BE INCREDIBLY COMPLICATED .

THE TUNNEL NETWORK, YOU MENTIONED MY COLLEAGUE SAM HAS SEEN THE TUNNELS THAT THEY NOW SHOW TAURUS THAT THEY USED AND EMPLOYED AND BUILT TO SUCH HIGH STANDARDS ESPECIALLY DURING THE 2006 WAR BETWEEN HEZBOLLAH AND ISRAEL.

THERE WERE TUNNELS IN GAZA AND THERE WERE TUNNELS IN VIETNAM.

THESE GUERRILLA WAR TACTICS CAN TAKE A HEAVY PRICE ON A CONVENTIONAL MILITARY.

ARE YOU AFRAID OF BEING SUCKED IN?

IS THAT PART OF THE IDEA OF DISCUSSION THAT A TRAP MIGHT BE BEING LAID?

>> YES BUT THIS WE SHOULD DO WITH OPERATIVELY.

YOU MENTIONED VIETNAM THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE, VIETNAM IS FAR AWAY FROM THE UNITED STATES.

GAZA IS OUR BORDER SO WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE?

WHAT SHOULD I TELL THIS GIRL I MET YESTERDAY?

SHOULD I TELL HER TO GO BACK HOME AND WILL HAPPEN IN THREE YEARS TIME BY THE TIME YOU WILL BE 16 YOU WILL BE KILLED BY THE TIME YOU ARE 17 YOU WILL BE KILLED.

WHAT SHOULD I TELL HER?

I'M TELLING HER WE WILL MAKE SURE THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.

THAT IS THE IDEA THIS IS WHY WE ARE THERE.

NOTE OTHER REASON.

I DON'T HAVE A FLARE FOR THE DRAMA BUT WE HAVE ASSIGNMENT BEING LAUNCHED TOWARDS US SO WE WILL HAVE TO TERMINATE THIS INTERVIEW.

I APOLOGIZE.

>> YAIR LAPID, THANK YOU VERY MUCH INDEED.

>> THE WAR HAMAS HAS LAUNCHED COULD BE SEEN IN THE CONTEXT OF DOMESTIC PALESTINIAN POLICY SAY SOME EXPERTS TRYING TO PROVE ITSELF TO BE THE PEOPLE STRONGEST DEFENDER COMPARED TO INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED PALACE ANY AND AUTHORITY AND THAT GOVERNS THE OCCUPIED WEST BANK.

MUSTAFA IS A PALESTINIAN LEGISLATOR AND HE IS THE LEADER OF THE PALACE ANY NATIONAL INITIATIVE AND HE IS JOINING ME NOW FROM RAMALLAH.

WELCOME BACK TO OUR PROGRAM.

>> THANK YOU.

>> YOU ARE ALSO A DOCTOR SO I WANT TO ASK YOU WHAT YOU ARE FEELING AND WHAT YOU WOULD DO AND KNOW ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN TERMS OF THE MEDICAL SITUATION AND THE HEALTH SITUATION INSIDE GAZA RIGHT NOW.

>> I AM IN TOUCH , WE HAVE OPERATION THERE WITH THE HEALTH ORGANIZATIONS AND I AM SORRY TO SAY WHAT GAZA IS EXPOSED TO NOW IS NOTHING BUT WAR CRIMES COMMITTED BY ISRAEL.

THE FIRST ONE IS SIEGE AND COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT WHICH IS A WAR CRIME BY INTERNATIONAL LAW.

THE SECOND ONE IS GENOCIDE THROUGH THIS TERRIBLE BOMBARDMENT AND A NONSTOP OF CIVILIAN POPULATION.

THE THIRD ONE IS ETHNIC CLEANSING WHICH ALREADY STARTED IN THE NORTH AND THEY ARE PLANNING TO CONTINUE IT TOWARDS EGYPT.

REGARDING THE HEALTH SITUATION IS DRASTIC.

HOSPITALS AND HEALTH SERVICES DO NOT HAVE WATER, MEDICATIONS, NECESSARY MEDICINES.

THEY DON'T HAVE ELECTRICITY , THERE IS SCARCITY OF WATER SOURCES .

WE HAVE CHILDREN AND INCUBATORS WHO COULD DIE AT ANY MOMENT BECAUSE OF LACK OF ELECTRICITY AND OXYGEN BY THE WAY.

GAZA AT THE MOMENT ARE PREGNANT AND 5500 OF THEM WILL BE GIVING BIRTH THIS MONTH.

WE ALREADY HAVE CASES OF WOMEN WHO HAVE TO GIVE BIRTH IN STREETS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO HOME TO BE IN AFTER ISRAEL DESTROYED 70,000 HOMES ALREADY IN GAZA.

THERE IS A VERY BIG PROBLEM WITH PATIENTS WHO NEED KIDNEY DIALYSIS, MANY OF THEM WILL DIE INCLUDING 170 CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY CANNOT HAVE ACCESS TO KIDNEY DIALYSIS.

WE HAVE A VERY SERIOUS POSSIBILITY OF EPIDEMICS IN GAZA FOR TWO REASONS.

FIRST OF ALL DESTRUCTION OF WATER PIPES AS WELL AS WASTE SYSTEMS AND THE SECOND ONE IS THE ABSENCE OF ANY VACCINATION PROGRAM FOR THE LAST TWO WEEKS.

>> MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION ?

IT'S DRASTIC SO THE YOU AND SAYS THE SAME BOTH SIDES ACCUSING EACH OTHER OF WAR CRIMES.

I WANT TO KNOW YOUR REACTION TO OTHERS WHO SAY IT IS ON HAMAS'S HEAD.

THEY MASSACRED 1400 PEOPLE, TOOK HUNDRED 99 INCLUDING BABIES , HOSTAGE AND THEY ARE BRINGING THIS DOWN ON THEIR PEOPLE AS WELL.

AND WHAT IT DOES SEEM TO BE IS THERE'S A PERPETUAL FIGHT BETWEEN HAMAS AND THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY AND I GUESS PEOPLE LIKE YOUR PARTY AS WELL ABOUT WHO SHOULD PROPERLY RUN PALESTINIAN AFFAIRS .

DO NOT ASCRIBE ANY BLAME TO THEM AS WELL?

>> LOOK , IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR ISRAELIS TO CLAIM PALESTINIANS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR KILLING PALESTINIANS WHEN THEY ARE BOMBARDING THEM.

I AM SO SURPRISED BY WHAT YAIR LAPID SAID BECAUSE HE SUPPOSED BE IN OPPOSITION LEADER BUT I DON'T SEE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIM AND BENJAMIN NETANYAHU.

I'M SORRY TO SAY HE IS COMPETING WITH HIM AND TELLING LIES FIXING THE WAR IN PALESTINIAN BEFORE BOMBARDING THEM.

THIS IS NOT HAPPENING ANYMORE.

THEY ARE BOMBARDING PEOPLE WITHOUT THEM KNOWING.

WHAT GETS YOU THE RIGHT TO DESTROY 70,000 HOUSES OVER PEOPLE'S HEADS AND CLAIM THIS IS AGAINST HAMAS.

THIS IS AN ATTACK NOT ON HAMAS IT'S AN ATTACK AGAINST 2.3 MILLION PEOPLE IN GAZA WHO ARE BESIEGED.

HE SAID SOMETHING IMPORTANT.

HE SAID NOT AGAIN.

I'M GOING TO GIVE HIM A PRESCRIPTION OF HOW NOT TO HAVE ANYTHING AGAIN SO THAT NO PALESTINIAN WILL BE KILLED.

END OCCUPATION, END THE SYSTEM OF APARTHEID, STOP THIS OCCUPATION THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR 56 YEARS.

YOU HAVE DONE 10 WARS ALREADY DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME, HOW MANY MORE WARS DO YOU WANT?

IS THE SOLUTION OF OCCUPATION TO REOCCUPY GAZA AGAIN?

I AM SURE THAT IS REALLY PLAN IS NOT ONLY TO ETHNICALLY CLEANSE GAZA COMPLETELY AND REOCCUPY IT BUT ALSO AN EXIT TO ISRAEL.

THIS IS THE MAP THAT BENJAMIN NETANYAHU SHOWED IN THE UNITED NATIONS THAT SHOWS ANNEXATION OF WEST BANK, GAZA STRIP AND JERUSALEM .

THESE PEOPLE ARE CONDUCTING WAR CRIMES NOW AND THIS IS NOT GOOD FOR PALESTINIANS AND ISRAEL.

LET ME TELL HAMAS DID NOT EXIST 40 YEARS AGO WHAT STOP THEM FROM ENDING OCCUPATION?

WHY NOW THEY SPEAK AT BEST COMING BACK TO GAZA WHY MR. LAPID AND HIS GOVERNMENT REFUSED TO MEET WITH NETANYAHU.

WHITE DID THEY BLOCK NEGOTIATIONS WITH PALESTINIANS?

WHY DID THEY BLOCK THE PEACE PROCESS?

NOBODY CAN HIDE THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH TODAY IS THREE WAR CRIMES ARE HAPPENING IN GAZA AND THIS WE SHOULD BE STOPPED.

I AM SO SURPRISED THAT THE UNITED STATES IS SENDING 2000 TROOPS TO PARTICIPATE , NOT ONLY BEING COMPLICIT WITH THESE WAR CRIMES BUT TO PARTICIPATE IN THEM.

>> THE UNITED STATES HAS NOT SAID IT IS GETTING INVOLVED BUT I WANT TO ASK YOU SOMETHING ABOUT HAMAS.

HE SAID IT DIDN'T EXIST 40 YEARS AGO.

THOMAS FRYDMAN AS YOU KNOW VERY WELL WHO KNOWS THE MIDDLE EAST VERY WELL WROTE IN THE NEW YORK TIMES, ONE MUST NEVER FORGET THE NETANYAHU MEANING THE PRIME MINISTER ALWAYS SEEM TO PREFER WITH A HAMAS THAT WAS UNREMITTINGLY HOSTILE TO ISRAEL THAN WITH ITS RIVAL THE MORE MODERATE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY WHICH NETANYAHU DID EVERYTHING HE COULD TO DISCREDIT EVEN THOUGH PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY HAS LONG WORKED CLOSELY WITH ISRAELI SERVICES TO KEEP THE WEST BANK QUIET AND NETANYAHU KNOWS IT .

DO YOU AGREE ?

OF COURSE ISRAEL'S AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N. LAST MONTH SAID IT'S NO PARTNER FOR PEACE AND THEY HAVE SAID, WHY WOULD AN ISRAELI GOVERNMENT OR PRIME MINISTER PREFER TO DO WITH HAMAS THAN THE P.A.

WHICH IS INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED?

>> BECAUSE THEY THINK THIS IS THE EASIEST WAY TO DEHUMANIZE PALESTINIANS AND TO UNDERMINE THE PALESTINIAN CAUSE.

THE SOLUTION TO THE INTERNAL PALESTINIAN PROBLEM IS SIMPLE.

HAVE NEW DEMOCRATIC ELECTIONS.

HAD WE HAD ELECTIONS IN 2021 ALL THE PONDS HAVE SHOWN NEITHER HAMAS WOULD'VE GOT THE MAJORITY WE WOULD'VE HAD A PLURALISTIC SYSTEM AND NO ONE PARTY WILL WOULD BE THERE IN GAZA NOR THE WEST BANK IT WOULD BE A DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM.

BLOCKS THE ELECTIONS, ISRAEL.

WHO WAS AGAINST HAVING ELECTIONS, THE UNITED STATES.

WHY FOR GOD'S SAKE THESE COUNTRIES THAT CLAIM TO BE DEMOCRACIES WANT TO PREVENT US FROM ALLOWING US TO HAVE DEMOCRATICALLY FREE ELECTIONS.

I DO AGREE THAT NETANYAHU DOES NOT WANT PALESTINIANS TO BE UNIFIED FOR HIM IT'S EASIER TO SAY OF PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY GOES UNITY WOULD HAVE HAMAS AND HAVE DEMOCRATIC POLITICIAN THE PALESTINIAN GOVERNMENT IS DEALING WITH TERRORISTS.

IF WE ARE DIVIDED HE SAYS I CANNOT TALK TO OUR BEST BECAUSE IT DOES NOT REPRESENT PALESTINIANS.

AND THE GAME IS TO UNDERMINE THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE.

>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS AS YOU KNOW VERY WELL YOUR PRESIDENT OF THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY IS EXCEPTIONALLY UNPOPULAR.

87 YEARS OLD, NO ELECTIONS IN MANY YEARS.

HASN'T GROOMED A SUCCESSOR AND HAS BEEN COMPLETELY UNDERMINED AND IS UNDERMINING THE PALESTINIAN CAUSE WHEREVER IT MIGHT BE.

WHAT I WANT TO KNOW FROM YOU IS HAMAS APPEARS TO BE TRYING TO OUT MUSCLE YOU ALL.

WHAT YOU THINK THE END OF THIS IS FOR THE PALESTINIANS AND WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW INSIDE THE WEST BANK?

IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT THIS COULD FLAREUP INSIDE THE WEST BANK?

>> WE ALREADY HAVE 56 PALACE INDIANS KILLED IN THE WEST BANK BY THE ISRAELI ARMY AND SOMETHING MORE DANGEROUS IS HAPPENING .

THIS IS NOT ABOUT HAMAS IT'S ABOUT ISRAELI SETTLER TERRACE.

ILLEGALLY IN THE WEST BANK AND THEY ARE ATTACKING PALESTINIANS.

UP TO NOW TO HAVE AFFECTED 20 PALESTINIAN COMMUNITIES CONDUCTING AN ACTIVE ETHNIC CLEANSING IN JORDAN VALLEY AND THEY ARE ATTACKING PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS ALREADY AS I SAID 56 PALESTINIANS ARE KILLED OF COURSE PEOPLE IN THE WEST BANK ARE TOTALLY ANGRY AND DEMONSTRATING AGAINST THE ISRAELI INVASION.

ALTHOUGH THE DEMONSTRATIONS ARE PEACEFUL AND NONVIOLENT THEY ARE ATTACKED WITH GUNS BY THE ISRAELI SOLDIERS WHO ARE KILLING THEM.

I COMPETED WITH MR. AND 2005 FOR PRESIDENT.

I WAS SECOND IN THESE SELECTIONS, I DO NOT AGREE WITH MANY OF HIS POLICIES AND ESPECIALLY I DON'T AGREE WITH THE FACT HE DID NOT ALLOW ELECTIONS TO CONTINUE AND TAKE PLACE.

AT THIS MOMENT ALL PALESTINIANS ARE SUBJECT TO ATTACK BY THE ISRAELI EXTREMIST BY THE ISRAELI APARTHEID SYSTEM AND THE OCCUPATION AND THAT CANNOT CONTINUE.

>> MUSTAFA THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US.

I ALSO WANT TO EXPLAIN WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT ETHNIC CLEANSING THAT MEANS MANY ARAB LEADERS ARE INCREDIBLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FORCIBLE TRANSFER OF POPULATION AND THE KING OF JORDAN IS TALKING TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS HE CAN THEY'RE VERY WORRIED AS I PUT IT TO YAIR LAPID THAT PALESTINIANS WILL BE SHUNTED OUT OF GAZA AND MAY NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO RETURN.

THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THROUGHOUT THE DAY AS WELL ON THIS PROGRAM ON THIS NETWORK.

AMID THE HEIGHTENING CONFLICT IN THE MIDDLE EAST THE U.S.

LEGISLATIVE BRANCH REMAINS PRACTICALLY PARALYZED.

THERE IS STILL NO HOUSE SPEAKER .

REPRESENTATIVE JIM JORDAN IS REPLACE KEVIN McCARTHY WHO WAS OUSTED BY HANDFUL OF FAR RIGHT MEMBERS OF HIS OWN PARTY TWO WEEKS AGO.

GETTING THE VOTE APPEARS TO BE A CHALLENGE.

SUSAN GLASSER A WRITER FOR NEW YORK JOINTS US TO DISCUSS WHAT THE CHAOS MEANS FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ITSELF.

>> CHRIS YOUNG, SUSAN THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

LAST WEEK YOU WROTE IN THE NEW YORKER CAST PARTY ON THE HILL KEEPS ON CHAOS THING.

THAT IS DESCRIBING THE REPUBLIC PARTY WHY THE WORD CHAOS AND EXPLAIN TO OUR AUDIENCE.

>> WE ARE ABOUT TO HIT THE TWO WEEK MARK SINCE REPUBLICANS HAVE HAD A FUNCTIONING SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE IN PLACE AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY BECOME A SORT OF REVOLUTION EACH ITS OWN ON CAPITOL HILL WHERE BASICALLY THEY DON'T HAVE A MAJORITY THAT'S LARGE ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY GOVERN THE HOUSE IN A MEANINGFUL WAY.

THEY ARE TWO DIVIDED AS A PARTY THEY CAN ONLY AFFORD TO LOSE 4 REPUBLICANS AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT.

BASICALLY WHAT THEY DID IS THEY TOOK ONE OF THE WEAKEST SPEAKERS I CAN EVER REMEMBER KEVIN McCARTHY TOOK THEM 15 ROUNDS OF VOTING BACK IN JANUARY TO GET THE JOB AND THEY FINALLY SAID FORGET IT WE DON'T WANT HIM.

8 NUMBERS OF REPUBLICAN CONFERENCE ONLY WERE ENOUGH TO THROW HIM OUT AND EVER SINCE THEN THEY HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO FIND A NEW SPEAKER THEY CAN AGREE UPON.

>> LAST WEEK STEVE BOWED OUT BECAUSE HE COULDN'T SECURE THE VOTES AND THEN JIM JORDAN COULD BE THE FRONT RUNNER NOW BUT LIZ CHENEY FOR EXAMPLE WAS SAYING ON THE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM X IF JIM JORDAN WAS TO BE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE BY THE REPUBLICANS IT WILL COST THEM THE HOUSE MAJORITY.

>> JIM JORDAN IS A VERY POLARIZING FIGURE EVEN WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

THE FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER JOHN WEINER ONCE CALLED HIM AND HIS ALLIES LEGISLATIVE TERRORISTS.

THEY HAVE BEEN KEY MEMBERS OF THE BURN IT DOWN CAUCUS FOR QUITE SOME TIME FOSTERING THINGS LIKE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNS, A TAX ON THEIR OWN LEADERSHIP.

THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS JORDAN HAS SOUGHT TO BECOME A KEY ENVOY TO LEADERSHIP BUT HIS MAKEOVER HASN'T BEEN ENOUGH FOR MANY OF WHAT WE MIGHT CONSIDER THE REMAINING ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES THEY ARE STILL NOT ON BOARD WITH JORDAN.

TO THE POINT IS HE NOW GOING TO BE THE FAVORITE CANDIDATE?

I AM STRUCK HOW MUCH REPUBLICANS HAVE BECOME THE PARTY OF SORE LOSERS.

REMEMBER IN EFFECT THIS IS A PARTY THAT ESPECIALLY THE REPUBLICANS AND HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES THEY ARE THE TEMPEST WING.

THE MOST TEMPEST WING OF THE ELECTED REPUBLICANS.

JIM JORDAN BEING ONE OF THEIR MAIN LEADERS AND ENVOYS TO DONALD TRUMP.

WHAT IS THE PROTEST ABOUT 2020 ALL ABOUT?

IT'S ALL ABOUT SORE LOSER DUMB.

IT'S ABOUT UNITING BEHIND A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WHO REFUSED TO ACCEPT THE OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE AS HIS OWN ADVISERS GAVE IT TO HIM OF HIS OWN DEFEAT.

HOW JIM JORDAN WAS DEFEATED.

HE WAS DEFEATED IN THE HOUSE SPEAKER RACE BY STEVE THE NUMBER TWO HOUSE REPUBLICAN THE OTHER DAY IN THE REPUBLICAN CONFERENCE BUT STEVE FOUND ALTHOUGH HE BEAT JORDAN QUITE EASILY HE WASN'T ABLE TO SECURE ESSENTIALLY UNANIMITY OF THE CONFERENCE SO HE BOWED OUT NOLLIE HAVE A SITUATION WITH THE LOSER JIM JORDAN IS TRYING TO MUSCLE HIS WAY TO VICTORY BY TELLING OTHER REPUBLICANS THEY NEED TO GET IN LINE WITH HIM.

IT IS A REMARKABLE KIND OF PSYCHOLOGY THAT IS NOW PREVAILING AMONG HOUSE REPUBLICANS.

>> PSYCHOLOGY I WONDER THIS MORNING I WAKE UP TO HEADLINES ABOUT HOW MAYBE IS THERE SOME POTENTIAL FOR A BIPARTISAN SPEAKER DEAL AND I WONDER HOW FANTASTICAL THAT IS AND HE WONDER HOW MUCH OF THAT IS POSTURING TO SAY TO THE MORE CONSERVATIVE WING OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY LISTEN IF YOU DON'T GET IN LINE TO VOTE FOR MIGHT HAVE TO GO ACROSS THE AISLE AND GET SOMEONE YOU REALLY DON'T LIKE.

>> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

IT'S ALWAYS USEFUL TO RALLY REPUBLICANS TOGETHER TO OFFER THE THREAT WATCH OUT OR THE DEMOCRATS WILL SOMEHOW TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION.

I HAVE BEEN OBSERVING CAPITOL HILL AND CONGRESS FOR LONG TIME.

HER FIRST JOB OUT OF COLLEGE WAS WORKING AT ROLL CALL NEWSPAPER.

ONE THING I WILL TELL YOU IS EVERY TIME THERE'S A CRISIS ON CAPITOL HILL A THREATENED GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN OR A LEADERSHIP SIDE THERE IS ALWAYS THIS FACTOR OF MYTHICAL BIPARTISAN COALITION IS GOING TO COME AND RIDE TO THE RESCUE AND SAVED THE DAY .

IN MY EXPERIENCE THAT ALMOST NEVER BASICALLY NEVER HAPPENS.

THERE'S A REASON THE MIDDLE-OF- THE-ROAD MEMBERS ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.

GENERALLY SPEAKING WE HAVE COME EVEN MORE TRUE IN OUR POLITICS.

THAT THE HIGHLY MOBILIZED EXTREMES IN EITHER PARTY HAVE TENDED TO DOMINATE OUTCOMES IN RECENT YEARS.

THE HAVE THE TELEVISION ADVANTAGE.

THEY ARE PROMOTED IN SAY RIGHT- WING MEDIA THEY HAVE A FUNDRAISING ADVANTAGE BY PLAYING TO AND AROUSING THE SYMPATHIES OF THE PARTIES BASE AND GENERALLY SPEAKING IT'S NOT A SITUATION WHERE YOU CAN HAVE THE MIDDLE OF THE ROTORS THE MODERATES , AND RIDE TO THE RESCUE BUT THEY DO OF THE NUMBERS.

THIS IS A VERY CLOSE CALL AND IT'S UNPRECEDENTED.

I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALIZE IS NOT JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF DYSFUNCTIONAL CAPITOL HILL.

THIS HAS ACTUALLY NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES THAT THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES HAVE GONE WITHOUT A SPEAKER AFTER DEPOSING A SPEAKER.

THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED.

>> I WONDER HOW THE EVENTS OF THE LAST WEEK BETWEEN ISRAEL THE HILL.

THE PRESIDENT HAS AGREED TO SEND AND HAS SENT SOME ARMED HE WANTS A WIDER BILL, MORE APPROPRIATIONS FOR THAT .

WHEN THE HOUSE CANNOT PASS ANYTHING WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

>> YEAH, NO IT'S GOING TO VERY QUICKLY BECOME NOT JUST A SORT OF EXAMPLE OF INTERNAL DYSFUNCTION BUT A SORT OF NATIONAL SECURITY CRISIS.

THE FACT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA DOES NOT HAVE A FUNCTIONING HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

THE BASIC DUTY IS TO APPROPRIATE FUNDS THAT THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

IF THE UNITED STATES WANTS TO SEND URGENTLY NEEDED NATIONAL SECURITY AIDE TO ISRAEL, UKRAINE AND OTHER PLACES IT CAN'T DO SO WHILE THE HOUSES IN THIS INTERNAL DISARRAY.

I THINK YOU WILL HEAR MORE AND MORE ABOUT THAT.

I WAS VERY STRUCK TO HEAR SENIOR REPUBLICAN MICHAEL McCALL WHO IS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE WAS MAKING THAT POINT VERY OPENLY TO REPORTERS ON GET OUR ACT TOGETHER AND THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM FOR US.

I THINK HE UNDERSTANDS THE MESSAGE THAT GOES OUT NOT ONLY TO HIS ALLIES BUT ITS ADVERSARIES AS WELL WHEN WE ARE SO INTERNALLY DIVIDED THAT WE CAN'T PERFORM BASIC FUNCTIONS .

ONE EMERGING FIGHT YOU SEE ON THE QUESTION OF A FUNDING BILL WHENEVER THE HOUSE IS ABLE TO ACT ON THINGS IS WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO BUNDLE THE VERY POPULAR BIPARTISAN AID FOR ISRAEL INTO A MEASURE THAT ALSO INCLUDES MORE EMERGENCY FUNDING FOR UKRAINE THAT MONEY HAS RUN OUT AND THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAD ASKED OVER THE SUMMER FOR $24 BILLION IN ADDITIONAL MONIES TO BE SENT FOR ASSISTANCE TO UKRAINE.

CONGRESS HAS SO FAR FAILED TO ACT ON THAT.

THERE IS A MOVEMENT AFOOT TO PUT THINGS TOGETHER ALONG WITH POSSIBLY SOME OTHER PRIORITIES.

HAD AN IMPORTANT POINT AND CERTAINLY I THINK THE MESSAGE HAS GONE THROUGH EVEN TO MANY ALLIES OF THE UNITED STATES AROUND THE WORLD WHO ARE INCREASINGLY CONCERNED ABOUT U.S.

LEADERSHIP IN THE WORLD AND WHETHER WE REALLY HAVE STAYING POWER AT A TIME WHERE SO INTERNALLY DIVIDED.

I THOUGHT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS GOING BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF THE TERM PRESIDENCY THAT THE GREATEST GEOPOLITICAL CRISIS IN THE WORLD ARGUABLY IS NOT IN THE MIDDLE EAST , IS NOT IN EUROPE BUT IT'S RIGHT HERE IN WASHINGTON AND A COUNTRY THAT IS A LEADER IN THE WORLD AND SO INTERNALLY DIVIDED IT CANNOT REALLY PERFORM THAT FUNCTION.

I THINK THIS TURMOIL IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IS ANOTHER POWERFUL EXAMPLE OF THAT.

FOR RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO REAL EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST REPUBLICANS CARE THAT MUCH ABOUT WHAT A BAD LOOK THIS IS FOR THE UNITED STATES AROUND THE WORLD.

THEY ARE CONSUMED WITH THEIR INTERNAL FIGHT IT'S A REAL CIVIL WAR AMONG THE REPUBLICANS.

>> IN THE SENATE TO REVEAL HAS MADE A POINT OF BLOCKING MILITARY LEADERSHIP APPOINTMENTS AND I GUESS FIRST WHAT IS HIS CONCERN AND WHAT IS THE STATUS OF WHETHER THAT COMPLICATES THE MATTERS WHEN PRESIDENT BIDEN SAYS WE ARE SENDING ANOTHER AIRCRAFT CARRIER INTO THE MIDDLE EAST REGION TO SUPPORT ISRAEL ?

>> I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THIS ONE-MAN BLOCKADE OF SENIOR MILITARY APPOINTMENTS BY ALABAMA SENATOR ESPECIALLY BECAUSE HE WAS ASKED ABOUT THIS IN THE WAKE OF THE HAMAS ATTACK IN ISRAEL AND HE SAID BASICALLY EVEN THAT ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE MY MIND.

IT'S KIND OF THE SENATE ANALOG TO AID MEMBERS IN THE HOUSE ABLE TO GET RID OF A SPEAKER EVEN THOUGH THE VAST MAJORITY OF REPUBLICANS WANTED KEVIN McCARTHY TO REMAIN A SPEAKER NOW IN THE SENATE TALK ABOUT MINORITY RULE THE DIFFERENT BRANCHES THAT ARE CAUGHT UP IN HIS BRANCHES ANY GENERALS CAUGHT UP IN THE BLOCKADE COMMANDERS IN THE REGION HAVE BEEN CAUGHT UP AND THE ONE REGIONAL PROTEST IS OBSCURE HE SAYS HE IS AGAINST THE PENTAGON AND THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT REIMBURSING SERVICEMEMBERS WHO NEED TO TRAVEL TO DIFFERENT STATE TO OBTAIN AN ABORTION.

THE PENTAGON DOES NOT PAY FOR THE ABORTIONS OF SERVICEMEMBERS.

IT'S NOT EVEN THAT THEY WOULD BE PAID FOR ABORTIONS THIS IS A POLICY THAT WOULD'VE WHY REALLY TO VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT WOULD INVOLVE SIMPLY REIMBURSING THE TRAVEL FOR SERVICE MEMBERS THAT'S WHAT THE SERVICE ARCADE IS ABOUT HURT THERE'S A BIG FINGER-POINTING IN THE SENATE BETWEEN DIFFERENT LEADERS.

BASICALLY DEMOCRATS RUN THE SENATE THEY HAVE THE MAJORITY BUT THEY SAY IT'S UP TO THE REPUBLICAN MINORITY MITCH McCONNELL TO GET HIS OWN MEMBERS IN LINE.

THERE IS A RELOCKED AND SIMPLE PARTIES TO CHANGE THE ROLE OF COURSE THEY COULD DO THAT AND SIMPLY RAMMED THROUGH THESE NOMINATIONS ANYWAY.

THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE THE INDIVIDUAL SENATORS OF COURSE WANT TO MAINTAIN THEIR OWN ABILITY IN THE FUTURE TO HAVE THIS KIND OF PROTEST.

THE RESULTS AGAIN ARE KIND OF GOVERNMENT DYSFUNCTION THAT I THINK IS SHOCKING TO MANY INTERNATIONAL OBSERVERS OF THE UNITED STATES.

>> THERE ARE ALSO DIPLOMATIC POSITIONS THAT ARE UNFILLED RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE AN AMBASSADOR TO ISRAEL, KUWAIT, EGYPT, SEVERAL COUNTRIES IN THE REGION THAT MIGHT BECOME IMPORTANT OR MORE IMPORTANT IF THIS WAR BETWEEN ISRAEL AND HAMAS DRIVES ON.

>> YEAH WELL ONE THING THAT IS CERTAIN FAST TRACKING OF THE NOMINATION OF JACK LEW THE FORMER OMB DIRECTOR AND WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA HE IS NOW THE NOMINEE OF PRESIDENT BIDEN TO BECOME THE AMBASSADOR TO ISRAEL.

THEY WILL HAVE A HEARING THIS WEEK AND I ASSUME HIS CONFIRMATION WILL BE FAST TRACKED VERY QUICKLY HE WILL BE IN THE REGION.

AGAIN IT PUTS THE SPOTLIGHT AS ALL CRISIS DO ON THE WEAKNESSES IN OUR SYSTEM THAT WE WERE SORT OF IGNORING OR LOOKING PAST BEFORE THE CRISIS HIT.

>> BESIDES THE IMPENDING SHUTDOWN AGAIN WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WHEN CONGRESS IS AT SUCH A STALEMATE CANNOT PERFORM ITS TASKS?

>> LOOK FOR MANY YEARS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE CONSISTENTLY SHOWN PREFERENCES FOR DIVIDED GOVERNMENT THAT IS THEY WANT TO HAVE A PRESIDENT OF ONE PARTY AND CONSTRAINTS BY HAVING MAJORITIES OF ANOTHER PARTY IN AT LEAST ONE BRANCH OF CONGRESS SO WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH DIVIDED COMBINE THAT HOWEVER WITH THE INCREASING POLARIZATION AND DYSFUNCTION INSIDE OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM AND THE INCENTIVES FOR DEALMAKING HAVE NOT BEEN WHAT THEY USED TO BE.

I THINK PART OF THE CRISIS THAT PEOPLE ARE STARTING SEEING EVIDENT WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS BREWING IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS THAT SENTENCE FOR THE TWO PARTIES WITH DIVIDED GOVERNMENT TO WORK TOGETHER ARE LESS AND LESS THAN THEY USED TO BE.

WE HAVE POLITICS OF OUTREACH, HYPER AND POWERED EXTREMES AND IN EFFECT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE HOUSE.

OF COURSE THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY EVIDENT IN THE 2024 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION THAT'S ALREADY WELL UNDERWAY.

THE POLITICS OF EXTREMES WHERE PARTIES ARE ESSENTIALLY UNWILLING AND UNABLE TO ELECT PEOPLE WHO CAN WORK TOGETHER .

>> WHAT'S THE ROLE OF FORMER IS HE BACKING ANYBODY IN PARTICULAR?

>> I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THIS QUESTION ABOUT DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE NORMALLY OF COURSE YOU WANT TO SEE OUTSIDERS PLAYING A BIG ROLE IN INTERNAL HOUSE LEADERSHIP ELECTION IN FACT IT USED TO BE BACK IN MY DAY WHEN I WAS COVERING CAPITOL HILL THEY DIDN'T WANT OUTSIDE INTERFERENCE EVEN FROM LEADERS OF THEIR OWN PARTY BUT ACTUALLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS INCREASING NATIONALIZATION OF OUR POLICY DONALD TRUMP MADE A VERY CONTROVERSIAL DECISION TO JUMP IN AND TO ENDORSE THE CANDIDACY OF JIM JORDAN FOR SPEAKER.

JORDAN AS I MENTIONED BEFORE HAS BEEN ONE OF DONALD TRUMP STAUNCHEST ALLIES INTERNALLY ON CAPITOL HILL FOR YEARS GOING BACK TO WHEN TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT.

THERE WAS ALWAYS JORDAN THERE WHEN IT CAME TO DONALD TRUMP'S LIES ABOUT THE 2020 ELECTION AND HIS EFFORT TO OVERTURN THAT ELECTION ON GENEROUS SIX 2021 JIM JORDAN WAS ONE OF HIS CLOSEST LIEUTENANTS ON CAPITOL HILL INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN STRATEGY WITH THEN WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF MARK MEADOWS AND RAISE THE OBJECTIONS TO JOE BIDEN'S VICTORIES ON JANUARY 6 2021.

SO JORDAN THIS IN A WAY WAS PAYBACK FOR HIS LOYALTY TO DONALD TRUMP OVER THE YEARS BUT IT'S VERY CONTROVERSIAL AND WHAT DID IT SAY ABOUT TRUMPS POWER AND POPULARITY AS A WOULD- BE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE THAT THE MAJORITY OF HOUSE REPUBLICANS DID NOT VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP'S CANDIDATE WHEN THE HAVE THE ELECTION LAST WEEK THEY VOTED FOR STEVE OVER JIM JORDAN.

ONCE AGAIN YOU FIND THIS PARTY SORT OF TAKEN HOSTAGE BY HYPER EMPOWERED TRUMPETS MINORITIES .

THE TRUMP FACTION IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IS NOT THE MAJORITY OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IN THE SENSE THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO VOTE AGAINST TRUMPS CHOICE FOR SPEAKER AND YET SOMEHOW JORDAN HAS SORT OF TAKEN A PAGE FROM DONALD TRUMP'S PLAYBOOK AND IS SORT OF DOING THE SORE LOSER THING TURNING THAT INTO YOU I'M WILLING TO KEEP GOING WHEN THE OTHERS ARE NOT .

>> WHERE DID THE DEMOCRATS STAND IN ALL THIS?

THEY ARE THE SLIM MINORITY BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR STRATEGY IS OR THEIR TACTICS ARE WATCHING THIS UNFOLD LETTING IT UNFOLD.

OFFERING TO DO SOMETHING.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRIKE ME IS THAT DEMOCRATS CERTAINLY THEY MUST SEE SOME ELECTORAL ADVANTAGE IN THIS.

IT'S BAD FOR THE COUNTRY.

IT'S ARGUABLY BAD FOR THE WORLD BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT CERTAINLY IS A VIVID DISPLAY OF WHAT DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS WHICH IS REPUBLICANS ARE NOT A GOVERNING PARTY.

THEY'RE NOT SERIOUS ABOUT DOING THE BUSINESS OF GOVERNMENT.

THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY ENGAGED IN A KIND OF PERFORMATIVE RACE TO THE EXTREMES.

THIS SEEMED TO ME THAT THIS ONGOING FIGHT OVER SPEAKERSHIP WILLINGNESS LITERALLY TO LEAVE THE SPEAKERSHIP OF IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE KIND OF DYSFUNCTION AND REPUBLICAN DISARRAY THAT DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

COMBINE THAT WITH THEIR CRITIQUE OF DONALD TRUMP WHO IS RUNNING AWAY IT APPEARS WITH THE 2024 REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION DESPITE THE CHAOS WITH THE TIME WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT DESPITE THE FOUR DIFFERENT PENDING CRIMINAL INDICTMENTS AGAINST HIM.

I THINK THIS BECOMES YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE FOR DEMOCRATS OF THEIR ELECTION SEASON ARGUMENT ABOUT WHITE REPUBLICANS ARE NOT A SERIOUS GOVERNING PARTY.

>> SUSAN FROM THE NEW YORKER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

>> FINALLY TONIGHT IF YOU LOOK REALLY HARD YOU CAN FIND A CRACK OF LIGHT AMID THIS WORLDWIDE WORLD OF DARKNESS.

FOR INSTANCE IN AFGHANISTAN WHERE A THIRD EARTHQUAKE HAS STRUCK MORE THAN 1000 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED IN ALL THESE TREMORS AND YET A SHINING MOMENT FOR EVERYONE TO CELEBRATE A REAL DAVID AND GOLIATH STORY WHERE THE UNDERDOG WINS.

THE AFGHAN CRICKET TEAM THE SECOND LOWEST RANKING TEAM MADE UP OF MANY REFUGEES HAS ACHIEVED A STUNNING WIN IN THE WORLD CUP IN DELHI BEATING DEFENDING CHAMPIONS ENGLAND BY 69 RUNS.

THE CAPTAIN RASHEED SAYS HE HOPED THE VICTORY WOULD PUT A VICTORY ON THE SMILE ON THE FACES OF PEOPLE BACK HOME.

THEIR STORY IS INCREDIBLE AND WE ALL NEED A SMILE.

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