THEY NEED $200,000 BY NOVEMBER 15th.

ST.

LOUIS COUNTY OFFICIALS SO FAR.

SOMEONE NEEDS TO COME UP WITH THE $200,000, AND -- COUNTY RESIDENT AND SAY, LIKE, LET'S FLOAT THEM THE 700 K ONLY TO SAY THAT HOPEFULLY PRIVATE INTEREST CAN STEP UP IN THE MEANTIME AND GET US TO SPRING WHERE SOMEBODY WITH DEEP POCKETS OR DEEP THOUGHT OR DEEP -- (INAUDIBLE).

JUST CAN'T LET IT GO DOWN THE TOILET.

>> WE CAN AND WE AND WE HAVE TO.

>> THIS WAS NEVER A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE A TROLLEY GOING FROM BLUEBERRY HILL TO THE MUSEUM.

THAT'S JUST NOT A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO GO.

AND THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GOING TO THROW SOME MORE MONEY AT IT, ALVIN, AND HOPE THAT THERE'S A TROLLEY FAIRY SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND MORE.

I THINK SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO SAY IT WAS NEVER A GOOD IDEA.

WE GAVE IT A SHOT AND IT DIDN'T WORK.

>> AS I SAID THIS WEEK, IF THIS WERE ANYONE BUT JOE EDWARDS.

>> SURE.

>> WE WOULD NEVER HAVE SAID, SURE, WHAT A CUTE, QUAINT IDEA.

NOW WE'RE INTO THE TUNE OF 2 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, AND NONE OF THE PROJECTION HAS EVEN COME CLOSE TO MEETING REALITY.

AND I THINK YOU HAVE TO STEP BACK AND LOOK AT YOUR TARGET AUDIENCE, IF YOU WILL.

KIDS TODAY -- AND I KNOW THAT MAKES ME SOUND LIKE GRANDMA MOSES.

WHEN YOU PREFACE ANYTHING THAT WAY.

BUT KIDS TODAY LIVE IN A DIGITAL REALITY, AND YOU KNOW, THEY DO VIRTUAL REALITY GAMES.

A TROLLEY CAR IS NOT CHARMING.

IT'S NEITHER CHARMING NOR QUAINT TO THEM.

THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.

I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD SINK ANY MORE MONEY, ESPECIALLY IN 2019.

>> WELL, RAY, WHAT DO YOU SAY?

>> I'M REALLY -- MY COLLEAGUES' COMMENTS, I'M JUST REALLY TIRED OF PLAYING ME ON THE SHOW.

>> THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT -- WE'VE GOT TO LOOK FORWARD.

THERE WAS A COMMENT ONLINE.

I WAS DEFINITELY A DEFENDER OF IT, AND WE COULD RELITIGATE THAT, BUT WE REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM HERE, AND THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE A TOURISM RELATED -- IT'S A TRANSPORTATION THING, AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WORKS IN OTHER CITIES BUT HERE IT DOESN'T GO FROM POINT A TO POINT B THE WAY IT SHOULD OR NEEDED TO.

THERE IS -- THE FACT -- THE CHARM PART OF IT IS WHAT IT STARTED WITH.

JOE EDWARDS' ORIGINAL IDEA WAS JUST ABOUT CHARM, BRING IT BACK TO STREETCARS.

I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I THINK THAT ONE PLACE TO LOOK IT THE PRIVATE SECTOR, FOR SURE, BECAUSE THERE ISN'T MUCH POLITICAL WILL TO DO MUCH, AND I THINK WE NEED TO REVISIT THE MANAGEMENT, FOR SURE.

THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY.

IF THERE'S ANYTHING -- >> JOE HIMSELF SAID IN, RESPONSE TO SAM PAGE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT GOVERNANCE, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO CHANGE?

>> WELL, I MEAN, LOOK, THERE IS A. TDD, FOR EXAMPLE, INVOLVED.

NICOLE GALLOWAY, ONE OF HER THINGS HAS BEEN HOW MANY TDD'S DON'T -- >> WHAT -- >> I THINK IT'S A TID.

>> BUT IF -- (INAUDIBLE).

>> ORGANIZATIONS, CITY CAME UP WITH THOSE 30,400,000 PEOPLE.

THAT WAS NOT JOE EDWARDS.

HOW THAT RELATIONSHIP WORK, WHO KNOWS.

THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME FROM.

HERE IS ANOTHER ISSUE YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT, MAYBE INVESTING A LITTLE BIT MORE IN IT.

IT WOULDN'T RUN THROUGH U CITY WHEN IT WAS FIRST -- UNTIL THEY PAID THE BOND JUST IN CASE THE WHOLE THING WAS A FLOP AND HE HAD TO TAKE TRACKS OUT.

OKAY?

ALL RIGHT.

SO THERE WAS A BOND PAID, BUT I DOUBT IT WILL COVER HOW MUCH THAT WILL ACTUALLY COST.

PLUS THE BUSINESS OWNERS, SOME SAY THEY WENT OUT OF BUSINESS WHEN THE THING WAS PUT IN, WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME KIND OF DRAMA.

AND THEN TWO, AREN'T THE FEDS, LIKE, KNOCKING AT THE DOOR?

>> THEY'RE GOING TO GET SOME MONEY BACK.

>> THE ONE THING I WILL SAY, THE INTENT WAS GOOD, AND I THINK WE ALL ACCEPT THAT.

THIS ISN'T SOMETHING WHERE SOMEBODY WAS TRYING TO GET RICH QUICK.

>> AND WE KNOW THAT THE ROAD TOO -- >> I THINK THE QUESTION IS CAN, FROM A TOURISM STANDPOINT, CAN IT BE SOMETHING PEOPLE RENT OUT FOR PARTIES AND DO THINGS, SOME DIFFERENT PARADIGM FOR IT THAT SUPPORTS IT WITH ADVERTISING DONE.

>> WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT -- >> IT WAS SO MUCH FUN WHEN IT FINALLY STARTED TO RUN.

IT WAS DELAYED, DELAYED, DELAYED, AND THEN THEY FINALLY GOT IT STARTED.

>> I THINK WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT SOME -- >> (INAUDIBLE).

>> IT'S NOT OUR GREATEST MOMENT.

WE'VE HAD A FEW OF THEM.

WE HAVE MID AMERICA AIRPORT THAT TOM BROKAW ALREADY SAID WAS THE POLICING OF AMERICA, THE ONE AIRLINE THERE.

>> DID YOU SEE THE DIRECTOR JUST RESIGNED AND HE HAD BEEN THERE FOR 17 YEARS.

>> HE'S RETIRED.

>> RETIRING.

>> HOW ABOUT THE EXTENSION OF THE RUNWAY WHERE THEY TOOK OUT BRIDGETON AND 4% OF FLIGHTS.

IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME, BUT IT'S AN ISSUE.

>> I WANT TO ASK YOU, BILL, ABOUT A STORY.

CARDINAL RITTER IS ACCUSED OF PLAYING ONE OF THEIR SUSPENDED PLAYERS.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CARDINAL RITTER HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL TEAM.

WHEN THAT YOUNG MAN WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SERVING A SUSPENSION.

IT SEEMS AS IF ALL INDICATIONS ARE HE WORE A UNIFORM OF A FRESHMAN TOD TO DISGUISE HIMSELF FOR THAT GAME AND RAN 13 TIMES, INCLUDING A TOUCHDOWN, HAD A GREAT GAME.

THE POINT IS, THE SCHOOL WAS PLAYING A SUSPENDED PLAYER WHEN IT SHOULDN'T HAVE AND PROBABLY PRETTY MUCH THE SCHOOL KNEW ABOUT, IT AT LEAST THE COACH CERTAINLY.

SHOULD THE COACH BE FIRED, AND IF SO, ANYBODY ELSE?

>> YEAH, I THINK THE COACH SHOULD BE FIRED.

I'D FIRE THE PRESIDENT OF THE SCHOOL.

I STHIN THINK THE REALLY TERRIBLE THING ABOUT THIS, IF IT'S TRUE, AND THERE'S PHOTOGRAPHS THAT MAKE IT SEEM EVIDENT, IT HAS I AIMPLICATED ALL THE OTHER KIDS ON THE TEAM, BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAD TO KNOW THAT OUR STAR RUNNING BACK CAN'T PLAY, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, THERE HE IS PLAYING WITH SOMEBODY ELSE'S JERSEY.

SO ALL OF THE KIDS WERE DRAWN INTO THIS TOO, AND I JUST THINK IT'S AWFUL, AND IT'S A SMALL SCHOOL.

SO IF THE PRESIDENT OF THE SCHOOL DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON, I WOULD JUST SAY, WELL, WE DON'T NEED SOMEBODY THIS DENSE TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE SCHOOL.

BUT CERTAINLY THE COACH SHOULD BE FIRED AS WELL.

>> IT'S NOT KIND OF LIKE A -- REALLY A HORRIBLE SITUATION AT PENN STATE WHERE PEOPLE GOT INDICTED, BUT THEY KNEW.

PEOPLE WENT TO THEM AND SAID SUCH AND SUCH AND SUCH IS GOING ON AND THEY TOOK NO ACTION.

I THINK THE MAN OR WOMAN WHO IS PRESIDENT OF THE SCHOOL, IF THEY JUST DIDN'T SIMPLY DIDN'T KNOW, LIKE I SAY, THE COACHING STAFF, THE PLAYERS WERE BASICALLY THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT KNEW.

MAYBE IT STOPS WITHIN THAT CIRCLE.

ALSO I WOULD SAY THAT ONLY BECAUSE IT WAS PROBABLY 100 DEGREES HEAT INDEX BECAUSE IT WAS AUGUST 31st, WHY DIDN'T THE KID JUST WEAR LONG SLEEVES, BECAUSE IT WAS HIS TATTOOS THAT GAVE HIM AWAY.

SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE A CON, YOU HAVE TO BE SMARTER THAN THAT.

>> AS A CATHOLIC, I THINK I PROBABLY -- I PROBABLY THINK IT'S EVEN MORE SERIOUS, BECAUSE YOU'RE SEWING THE IDEA OF A CATHOLIC SCHOOL, BASED ON CATH A HIGHER MORAL GROUND.

SO I THINK THAT ANYONE WHO WAS PROVEN TO HAVE HAD ANY PRIOR KNOWLEDGE OF THIS SITUATION HAS TO GO, HAS TO GO.

IF THAT'S TOP TO BOTTOM, IF IT JUST STAYS IN THE LOCKER ROOM OR THE ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT, THAT'S FINE.

IF IT REACHES INTO THE FRONT OFFICE, THAT'S FINE.

BUT THIS IS VERY, VERY SERIOUS.

YOU'RE COMPROMISING YOUNG MINDS ETHICALLY, IN EVERY WAY, IN MY OPINION.

THE LEVEL OF PUNISHMENT SHOULD RISE TO THAT.

THE NO.

1 TEAM FROM THE COUNTRY.

>> THE FIRST GAME OF THE YEAR.

IT WAS A ONE GAME SUSPENSION.

IT ISN'T LIKE YOU THING, HE'S GOING TO LOSE HIS COLLEGE CAREER IF HE DOESN'T GET TO PLAY.

THIS IS JUST THE COACH AND MAYBE THE ADMINISTRATION SAYING WE WANT TO WIN EVERY GAME AND WE'LL NOT ONLY CHEAT TO DO IT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO IMPLICATE ALL THESE OTHER KIDS IN IT.

JUST AWFUL.

>> REAL QUICK.

I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT I WANT TO SAY THIS.

HERE IS THE BIZARRE THING.

THEY MIGHT HAVE TO FORFEIT ALL THE GAMES THEY'VE PLAYED, WHICH WOULD BE 7.

THE WAY THE MISSOURI STATE HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION WORKS, THEY HAVE DISTRICTS, AND THEY BASICALLY PLAY THREE TEAMS, AND WHOEVER THE BEST OF THREE IS GOES TO THE PLAYOFFS.

I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT -- THEY'RE THE BEST TEAM IN THIS AREA, AND THEY WILL WIN DISTRICTS, AND THEY COULD GO TO THE STATE TOURNAMENT UNLESS SOMEBODY STEPS IN AND STOPS THEM, AND THEY SHOULD BE STOPPED AND NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO PLAY FOR THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP.

>> I AGREE WITH THAT.

I DON'T KNOW.

MY MORAL COMPASS MUST BE -- I'M NOT AS OUTRAGED AS EVERYBODY.

I THINK IT'S BAD.

AS FAR AS THE PRESIDENT GOES, I THINK YOU REALLY DO -- WE DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF EDUCATOR THE PRESIDENT IS.

I THINK BEFORE WE JUST, LIKE, WANT TO THROW OUT THE PRESIDENT FOR WHAT THE NCAA WOULD CALL LOSS OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL, WE OUGHT TO KNOW A FEW MORE FACTS THAN THAT.

>> YOU WANT TO THROW OUT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES FOR LOSS OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL, RIGHT?

>> I WANT TO THROW HIM OUT FOR BEING A CRIMINAL.

>> LET'S MOVE ON BECAUSE OF THE TIME AND ALL OF THAT.

LEWIS REITZ, THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN WANTS TO REQUIRE GUN DEALERS IN THE CITY TO ASK FOR BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR PROSPECTIVE BUYERS TO INFORM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OF ALL THOSE APPLICANTS THAT FAIL.

SO IF I APPLY FOR A PERMIT, AND I'M DENIED, LEWIS REED, THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN, WANTS THE POLICE TO BE INFORMED ABOUT THAT.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> WELL, AT FACE VALUE, I THOUGHT, WELL, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

I WAS VERY -- I WAS VERY PLEASED WITH THAT IDEA UNTIL I CONTINUED THE THOUGHT AND WONDERED, OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THE POLICE GOING TO DO WITH THAT INFORMATION.

THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT INFORMATION, BUT I -- THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL THERE IS AN ACTION TAKEN, IF SOMEBODY ACTS ILLEGALLY, TRIES TO PURCHASE A GUN ILLEGALLY, PURCHASES A GUN ILLEGALLY, I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE INFORMATION ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WERE DENIED A PERMIT, YOU KNOW, PUT SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, A DATABASE.

I'D RATHER HAVE THAT INFORMATION THAN NOT.

IT'S KIND OF A GRANDIOSE PIE IN THE SKY IDEA, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING.

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA.

YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME WE HAVE A MASS SHOOTING, PEOPLE SAY, WHAT COULD WE HAVE DONE?

WHAT COULD WE HAVE KNOWN?

SHOULD WE HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS PERSON?

AND I DON'T KNOW -- I ASSUME POLICE AUTHORITIES, BE THEY LOCAL, FEDERAL OR STATE, HAVE PEOPLE THEY'RE KEEPING THEIR EYE ON.

AND THE FACT THAT SOMEBODY ATTEMPTED TO PURCHASE A GUN WHO DIDN'T QUALIFY BECAUSE OF THE BACKGROUND CHECK IS AT LEAST ENOUGH OF A WARNING.

DO YO I THINK IT'S GOING TO HAVE A HUGE IMPACT?

NO, BUT IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T BOTHER ME.

>> FIRST OF ALL, A GUY THAT'S GOING TO DO HARM DOESN'T GO FOR A BACKGROUND CHECK.

NO.

2, ONLY DEALERS ARE REQUIRED TO ISSUE A BACKGROUND CHECK, SO HE CAN JUST GO TO A PRIVATE SALE, AND IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, HE CAN GO OUTSIDE OF THE CITY TO ST.

CHARLES COUNTY.

IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, EVEN IF THAT INFORMATION IS SENT TO THE CHIEF, THE CHIEF DOESN'T HAVE THE TIME TO HAVE THE POLICE OFFICERS MONITORING THIS.

THEY'VE GOT, LIKE, ONE PATROL CAR IN ALL OF DOWNTOWN ST.

LOUIS.

IS THAT GUY GOING TO TAKE TIME OFF HIS SCHEDULE AND START LOOKING AT THE GUYS WHO APPLY FOR BACKGROUND CHECKS?

>> THEY'RE FACEBOOK POSTING ABOUT CAR-JACKINGS AND THIS AND THAT, AND THE IDEA THAT SOME CITIZEN WHO GOES T GOES THROUGH THE RIGHT STEPS AND ACTUALLY APPLIES FOR A GUN PERMIT, UNUSUAL IN ITSELF IN THE CITY, THAT WE'RE GOING TO SOMEHOW KEEP AN EYE ON THAT GUY.

I JUST DON'T SEE IT.

>> THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.

>> GREAT MINDS.

>> BUT THERE ARE SOME INSTANCES THAT, LIKE -- YOU KNOW, I HAD A GUN IN MY GLOVE COMPARTMENT THAT WASN'T MINE WHEN I WAS 22 YEARS OLD, AND YEARS LATER I GO TO APPLY FOR A GUN PERMIT AND IT GETS REJECTED.

I THINK YOU CAN APPEAL THESE THINGS, BUT NOW IT SHOWS.

THE POLICE HAVE THAT.

SO I GET A SPEEDING TICKET, AND IT POPS UP, REJECTED, GUN PERMIT, GUN, YOU KNOW.

HE'S WALKING UP ON ME LIKE, THIS DUDE IS JUST OUT OF CONTROL.

HEY, NO, NO.

>> LET ME SAY ONE THING.

I SAID I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO MAKE THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE.

IT'S INTERESTING, THOUGH, THAT WHENEVER IT COMES TO GUNS AND WHEN ANYBODY TALKS ABOUT ANYTHING THAT EVEN SMACKS OF GUN CONTROL, THE TEST IS WHETHER IT WAS GOING TO PREVENT ALL GUN VIOLENCE.

>> THAT'S NOT RIGHT.

>> NO.

>> (INAUDIBLE).

>> THE STORY I WAS GOING TO TELL IS THIS -- >> I GUESS MY -- >> (INAUDIBLE).

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HELP THAT MUCH, BUT WHAT HARM IS IT GOING TO DO?

>> IT'S JUST GOING TO BE MORE PAPERWORK FOR THE POLICE AND IT'S NOT GOING TO LEAD TO ANYTHING.

>> YOU CAN'T SAY THAT.

>> YOU DON'T NEED A PERMIT TO CARRY A GUN IN ST.

LOUIS ANYWAY.

>> OKAY.

MY SISTER HAS BEEN HAPPILY MARRIED FOR MANY YEARS.

I KNOW -- I COVERED A STORY WHERE HIS SISTER, HER HUSBAND, WAS BANGING HER AROUND.

HE PISTOL WHIPPED THE GUY.

HE GOT ARRESTED AND CHARGED WITH, LIKE, A GUN CRIME BECAUSE HIS BROTHER-IN-LAW WAS OUT OF CONTROL AND HE TOOK CARE OF WHATEVER.

NOW HE WOULD PROBABLY GET REJECTED.

ALL RIGHT?

BUT THE WHOLE THING IS, WHATEVER HAPPENED IN THE FUTURE, THE POLICE WOULD APPROACH HIM, LIKE, HEY, BECAUSE HE WAS LIKE, OH, HE GOT REJECTED FOR A GUN PERMIT.

>> THAT'S NOT A FELON.

I'M SAYING -- >> USED TO BE UNTIL 2008 YOU HAD TO GO TO THE COUNTY POLICE CHIEF TO GET A PERMIT, BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE ANYMORE.

>> IF YOU GAVE THE POLICE EVERYBODY WHO GOT REJECTED FOR A GUN PERMIT, EVERYBODY ON THAT LIST WOULD NOW BE SUSPECT OF BEING SOME CRAZED GUN SLINGING YAHOO.

>> SEE, THAT'S NOT THE WAY I SEE IT, AS I STARTED TO SAY.

TO ME, THIS IS A NEEDLE IN THE HAYSTACK PROPOSITION, AND YOU'LL YOU'RE DOING IS MAKING THE HAYSTACK A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.

YOU'RE GIVING THE POLICE PLACES TO GO.

NOW I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU PROGRAM THAT, HOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

>> ALL RIGHT.

ALVIN, LETS MOVE ON TO ANOTHER TOPIC IN THE CITY OF ST.

LOUIS WHERE THE REGISTRAR OF DEEDS, MICHAEL BUTLER, ALSO HAPPENS TO BE THE OWNER OF A SALOON.

BUT THIS SALOON IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T CHARGE BY THE DRINK.

IT CHARGES BY THE HOUR.

$10 AN HOUR, ALL YOU CAN DRINK, AND $20 AN HOUR IF YOU WANT TOP SHELF.

SOME PEOPLE HAVE OBJECTED TO THAT, INCLUDING LEADING DEMOCRATS SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO QUIT THE DEMOCRATIC PRECINCT CAWCAUCUS, WHATEVER IT IS, BECAUSE THEY THINK IT'S OUTRAGEOUS, GOING TO LEAD TO PEOPLE TRYING TO BEAT THE CLOCK AND DRINK IN EXCESS.

>> REMEMBER THE LADING RUNNING FOR OFFICE WHO HAD THE MARGARITA.

>> I RAISED MY GLASS TO THE MARGARITA MACHINE.

I WILL RAISE MY GLASS TO THIS CONCEPT, BECAUSE IT'S CUTTING EDGE, AND IT'S WHERE WE'RE PROBABLY ALL GOING TO GO, AND WE ALL SIT HERE AND SAY, WHY WE ALWAYS GOT TO BE LAST TO DO EVERYTHING IN MISSOURI?

HOW ABOUT WE BE FIRST.

I THINK IT'S A BOLD, CREATIVE AND RESPONSIBLE CONCEPT IN THAT, HEY, WE'LL MONITOR YOU, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER BAR, BUT THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO BUSINESS.

I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM.

I THINK OTHER BARS WILL FOLLOW SUIT.

>> I LOVE THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD BE FIRST IN THE NATION, NOT CHARGE BY THE DRINK ANYMORE.

GO IN AND SAY, I'LL HAVE A GIN AND TONIC.

>> HAVE WE ALL READ ENOUGH ABOUT BINGE DRINKING?

>> APPARENTLY NOT.

>> AND KIDS WHO BINGE DRINK AND WHO GET INTO TROUBLE AND GET INTO FATAL HEAD-ON COLLISIONS.

I THINK THAT THIS IS -- IT SOUNDS -- I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, ALVIN, FROM AN ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT.

I THINK IT CERTAINLY SOUNDS INTERESTING, BUT I THINK THE PRACTICAL SIDE OF THIS IS EVENTUALLY I'M AFRAID, AND I HOPE I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK SOMEBODY COULD VERY EASILY GET SEVERELY HURT.

>> WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE, IT WAS CALLED BEAT THE CLOCK, AND IN MASSACHUSETTS, THE LEGISLATURE OUTLAWED IT.

BUT WHAT HAPPENED WAS, IT WAS LIKE AN OPEN BAR FOR $10 FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

YOU WOULD FIND THERE WOULD BE VERY FEW BARTENDERS.

SO YOU WOULD PAY YOUR 10 BUCKS OR WHATEVER IT WAS, AND THEN TRY AND GET A SECOND DRINK.

>> ALSO PIZZA, DON'T CHARGE BY THE SLICE ANYMORE, IT'S BY THE HOUR.

EAT AS MUCH AS YOU CAN.

>> I DON'T WANT TO NAME THE RESTAURANT, BUT I KNOW SEVERAL THAT DO THAT.

WHAT'S THE BIG ONE, GOLDEN CORRAL?

>> I GUESS THE LAST TOPIC, I WOULD SAY IT ISN'T A GREAT IDEA.

BUT THIS ONE ISN'T GREAT.

I WOULD SAY THIS THAT THE REAL PROBLEM FOR THE BAR, I WOULD THINK, IS WE DO HAVE LAWS WHERE YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE AS A BAR OWNER FOR OVER-SERVING, AND I WOULD THINK THAT THE REASON I DON'T THINK THIS WILL LAST FOREVER IS, SHOULD YOU OVERSERVE SOMEBODY, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK YOUR DEFENSE IS A LITTLE MORE -- IS IT BIT COMPROMISED BY THE FACT OF THIS.

YOUR ATTORNEY WOULD BE VERY CONCERNED.

>> WELL, IT'S AN OPEN BAR.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT MY POINT IS, I THINK THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY.

I THINK IT'S A FREE COUNTRY.

>> OUR NEXT TOPIC, BILL, GOES TO MANCHESTER WHERE I THINK ON MANCHESTER ROAD THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF MASSAGE PARLORS, AND THE LOCALS THERE HAVE OBJECTED TO THEM, BECAUSE THEY THINK THERE'S TOO MANY OF THEM, AND THEY'RE ALSO OBJECTING TO SOME OF THE SHOPS THAT RETAIL, OH, ADULT LONG RA LINGERIE, SEXY TOYS.

ARE THERE TOO MANY MASSAGE PARLORS OR WHATEVER ON MANCHESTER?

>> I DON'T THINK.

SO I SUPPORT MASSAGE PARLORS.

I THINK MANCHESTER, THAT'S A BUSY, BUSY THOROUGHFARE, SO YOU'RE NOT PUTTING IT -- I GUESS THERE ARE HOMES RIGHT NEXT TO IT.

I DON'T FIND MASSAGE PARLORS OFFENSIVE AT ALL.

I THINK THEY'RE FINE.

>> I WAS COMING OUT OF THE WINCHESTER LAUNDROMAT, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE LARGE COMFORTERS, THAT'S A PLACE TO HAVE THEM LAUNDERED.

I WAS GOING OUT TO MY CAR, AND I LOOK ACROSS, AND I SEE THIS GIANT PINK HOUSE, AND I THINK HMM, THAT'S INTERESTING.

I'VE NEVER NOTICED THAT BEFORE.

WE RAISED OUR CHILDREN -- I MEAN, OUR CHILDREN WERE BABIES IN MANCHESTER.

THE PARK, LIKE, JUST MAYBE A BLOCK OR TWO FROM DR.

JOHN'S HOUSE OF FUN WAS JUST TWO OR THREE BLOCKS FROM THIS CHILDREN'S PARK.

I DO THINK THINGS ARE GETTING OUT OF CONTROL IN MANCHESTER.

I THINK THAT WHEN YOU HAVE LEGITIMATE SPAS, WHETHER IT'S FACE AND BODY OR MASSAGE ENVY OR WHAT HAVE YOU, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY FINE, BUT SOME OF THESE OTHER AREAS THAT -- SOME OF THESE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT USUALLY YOU WOULD ONLY SEE ALONG AN INTERSTATE, IF YOU GET MY DRIFT, THEN -- >> A GREAT IDEA.

>> THEY HAD TO GET A BUSINESS LICENSE.

>> AND LIKE YOU SAID, I'VE DEFENDED GUNS AND DRINKING AND NOW THIS.

COME ON.

>> IT'S MANCHESTER BOULEVARD.

AND JUST LIKE IF PEOPLE WANT TO DO -- >> ACTUALLY IT'S MANCHESTER ROAD.

IF IT WERE IN KIRKLAND -- IF IT WERE IN KIRKLAND, LITTLE PINK HOUSES WITH TOYS AND SUCH, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WOULD BE ALL DOWN WITH THAT.

>> DOWN KIRKWOOD, MAYBE NOT.

>> THIS IS DOWNTOWN HISTORIC MANCHESTER.

>> THAT'S THEIR FAULT.

THEY GAVE THEM A BUSINESS LICENSE.

LET THEM DO BUSINESS.

YOU CANNOT THROW THEM OUT.

YOU DID IT.

>> HERE'S MY THOUGHT.

IT'S A ZONING.

OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE THE RIGHT.

I THINK IT'S NOT RIGHT TO CONFLATE DR.

JOHNS AND THE MASSAGE PARLORS, WHATEVER YOU CALL THEM, ARE DIFFERENT ISSUES.

>> BUT ACTUALLY THE CITY KIND OF SEES IT THE SAME WAY.

>> BUT THEY'RE DIFFERENT.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S ABOUT ZONING.

THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PRESUME THEIR GUILT.

I WILL SAY THIS.

IF WE WANT ROBERT CRAFT TO VISIT OUR TOWN -- >> WOW, WOW, WOW.

>> IT'S LIKE RESTAURANTS.

YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF THE MASSAGE ENVY AND THE CHAIN PLACES.

THIS IS A LITTLE MAK MA AND PA SHOP.

>> AND I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT I'M SAYING, BILL.

>> IT'S TIME TO READ THE LETTERS.

CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT THE LETTERS ARE GOING TO BE LIKE NEXT WEEK.

LET'S FIND OUT WHAT THEY WERE -- MOST VISITORS LOOKED AT THE TROLLEY OUT OF CURIOSITY.

IT'S TIME FOR EXERCISE PHYSICAL RESPONSIBILITY AND PULL OUT TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

THAT'S FROM GREG.

WE ALSO HEARD FROM GERRARD OF UNIVERSITY CITY.

BEFORE WE PRIVATIZE THE ST.

LOUIS AIRPORT, WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE PROPER ROLE OF GOVERNMENT.

THE PEOPLE WOULD CONSIDER CONTROL ESSENTIAL TO THE COMMON DEFENSE AND OUR SECURITY.

WHAT IS THE FIRST ASSET CAPTURED BY AN INVADING ARMY?

THANK YOU, GERRARD.

AND WE HEARD FROM DALE CANNON WHO WROTE, REGARDING THE PLAYOFFS, I'M REMINDED OF WHAT BOBBY FISHER SAID ONCE ABOUT CHESS, IT'S NOT SKILL SO MUCH THAT WINS THE CONTEST BUT IT'S WHOEVER MAKES FEWER MISTAKES.

YOU CAN WRITE US CARE OF KETC, 33655 OLIVE STREET.

DON'T FORGET THOSE E-MAILS, LETTERS TO KETC.ORG OR THOSE TWEETS.

HASH DAG DONNYBROOK STL, AND YOU CAN LISTEN TO US ON YOUR FAVORITE PODCAST SOURCE.

SPEAKING OF THOSE TWEETS, RAY AND I WILL BE READING THEM IN JUST A MATTER OF MOMENTS ON YOUR TURN, SO DON'T GO AWAY.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

TALK TO YOU IN JUST A SECOND.

>> DONNYBROOK IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE MEMBERS OF THE NINE NETWORK.

>> CHARLIE FROM ST.

LOUIS?

>> HI, CHARLIE.

>> I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TROLLEY.

>> MORE THAN A COUPLE.

BUT GO AHEAD.

>> LET'S SEE.

I WANTED TO KNOW WHERE ALL THE PREVIOUS MONEY HAS GONE, MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OVER-PAYING FOR THAT FIASCO.

BUT THEN MAYBE IF THEY WOULD PROVIDE FREE ELECTRICITY, THEY COULD GET SOME ADVERTISING OUT OF THE TROLLEY, AND THEN THE OTHER HUNDRED THOUSAND THAT'S LEFT -- (INAUDIBLE).

>> CHARLIE, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, FIRST OF ALL, LET'S BE CLEAR.

IT WASN'T LIKE 51 MILLION LOCAL DOLLARS WERE WASTED.

THERE WERE SOME THINGS -- I MEAN, I DON'T RANT TO RELITIGATE IT.

IT WASN'T LIKE 51 MILLION LOCAL DOLLARS.

THERE WERE SOME THINGS -- I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO RELITIGATE IT.

THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF INFRASTRUCTURE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED WITH SOME OF THE FEDERAL MONEY AS PART OF THE DEAL.

THE CIRCLE AT THE LOOP, THE TRAFFIC CENTRAL AT THE WEST PART OF THE LOOP.

A COUPLE OF BRIDGES IN THE CITY, WHICH WERE REALLY NEEDED WHICH WERE RESTORED, THE ONE AT OLIVER AND FOREST PARK WAS REPLACED, ANOTHER ONE ON DELMAR.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE STUFF THAT'S DONE.

THIS ISN'T CONDONING THE FACT THAT WE ARE OBVIOUSLY IN A VERY BAD SPOT, BUT A LOT OF THE MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT FOR DIFFERENT THINGS.

I THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME REAL QUESTIONS, AND THERE ARE SOME MISTAKES MADE.

ONE OF THE MISTAKES THAT WAS MADE IN HINDSIGHT THAT SEEMED VERY NICE WAS THE DECISION TO GO TO THE CLASSIC VINTAGE CARS.

>> I DIDN'T LIKE THAT IDEA AT ALL.

>> I'D RATHER IT BE MODERN AND NEW.

>> IT WAS A MISTAKE MADE WITH GOOD INTENTION, BUT HAD THEY DONE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THE DISASTER THAT WE HAD WITH THE COMPANY FROM IOWA.

>> AND I LOVE JOE EDWARDS, AS WE ALL DO, BUT I NEVER SAW A NEED FOR A TROLLEY TO GO BETWEEN THE MUSEUM AND THE LOOP.

AND TODAY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S THERE, THERE'S NO REASON FOR ME TO GO ON.

IT'S NOT FASTER.

IT'S NOT CHEAPER.

IT DOESN'T SAVE TIME, WHATEVER.

>> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOME OTHER USE FOR IT.

CERTAINLY HAVING IT GO AWAY IS NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A VERY GOOD OPTION.

I DON'T HAVE ANY GOOD OPTIONS.

>> LET'S GO TO THE NEXT CALL.

LET'S GO TO JIM.

JIM, THANKS FOR JOINING US.

>> GOOD EVENING.

MIME A FAN, A FAVOR OF THE LOOP TROLLEY.

I HOPE THE PLAN IT BE WORKED OUT SO IT CAN SUCCEED.

I WOULD THINK THAT THE PARKING SITUATION IN THE LOOP AREA ON THE EVENINGS WOULD ACTUALLY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO PARK SOMEWHERE, AND THAT'S, TO MY OPINION, WHAT IS LACKING.

PARKING -- SUFFICIENT PARKING TO MAKE IT MORE ENCOURAGING FOR PEOPLE TO BOARD THE TROLLEY, TO GO TO ANY OF THE ESTABLISHMENTS IN THE LOOP.

NOW, AS I SAY, I'M HOPING ENOUGH CAN BE PULLED OUT OF A HAT TO KEEP IT RUNNING.

ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO ON DONNYBROOK WHEN (INAUDIBLE) AIRLINES ANNOUNCED THEY WERE COMING TO ST.

LOUIS THROUGH EUROPEAN FLIGHTS, THE PANEL SEEMED TO BE RATHER FLIPPANT IN THEIR COMMENTS ABOUT IT, AND I WAS ABLE TO CALL IN THAT NIGHT, SAYING LET'S GIVE IT A CHANCE.

I PUT MY MONEY ON THE LINE AND RODE TO DUBLIN JUST ABOUT THIS TIME A YEAR AGO AND WOULD DO SO AGAIN AT LEAST ONCE HAD IT CONTINUED TO OPERATE.

SO I MAY BE -- I HOPE THE TROLLEY CAN -- >> I THINK WE GAVE SOME MONEY TO WOW OR WERE SUPPOSED TO FOR MARKETING PURPOSES.

YOU KNOW, I WOULD HAVE TRIED IT.

I WOULD HAVE GONE, BUT IT DIDN'T LAST MORE THAN SIX MONTHS.

REGARDING TO THE PARKING IN THE LOOP, THERE ARE 800 FREE PARKING SPOTS BEHIND FITS' IN THE LOOP.

SO PARKING IS NOT TOO MUCH OF A PROBLEM THERE.

>> I AGREE.

>> WHO IS THIS, KATHY IN WEST COUNTY?

>> KATHY.

>> HI.

>> HI, KATHY.

>> I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE TROLLEY.

>> SURE.

>> FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS A TWO-PARTER.

THE FIRST PART IS I'M VERY HAPPY THAT THE PEOPLE OF ST.

LOUIS AND THE LEADERS OF ST.

LOUIS HAVE TRIED SOMETHING INNOVATIVE AND SOMETHING NEW.

KEEP COMING UP WITH THESE DIFFERENT IDEAS NO MATTER HOW STRANGE OR WHATEVER THEY SEEM TO BE.

IN MY OPINION, THIS ONE DID NOT WORK.

WE THREW MONEY AFTER IT AND MONEY AFTER IT AND TRIED THIS AND THAT, AND IT'S NOT WORKING.

SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO SAY, OKAY, WE TRIED IT.

THAT DIDN'T WORK.

THE SECOND PART OF MY COMMENT IS, I KNOW WHERE IT WOULD WORK.

WE'VE GOT THESE REALLY NICELY DESIGNED VEHICLES AND PUT SOME WHEELS ON THE BOTTOM OF THEM, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO ROLL OVER ANY MORE OF THOSE TROLLEY TRACKS, AND CAME IT AROUND EVERY SINGLE PLACE IN FOREST PARK, EVERY SINGLE FEATURE, EVERY SINGLE ATTRACTION.

I MEAN, IF I WANTED TO EAT LUNCH AT THE BOATHOUSE, I COULD PARK AT MY HOUSE AND GET A BETTER -- THAN PARKING DOWN AT THE BOATHOUSE.

>> THANKS, KATHY.

>> THANK YOU.

>> HAVE THIS BE -- HAVE THIS TROLLEY BE ALL FREE ALL DAY.

>> WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT?

HANG ON, KATHY.

WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT IF IT'S ALL FREE ALL DAY?

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

IT'S NOT MAKING ANY MONEY.

>> I DON'T KNOW.

>> KATHY, THANKS.

YOU SAID THAT IT WAS A NEW IDEA.

IT'S NOT A NEW IDEA.

THAT'S THE THING.

IF THEY WERE TRYING SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND EXCITING -- >> THE THING IS, AND I DON'T WANT TO RELITIGATE IT.

>> WELL, WE ARE.

>> BUT I MEAN, THIS PART OF IT, THAT IS WE ENTERED A COMPETITION FOR SIX FEDERAL 25 MILLION-DOLLAR GRANTS.

>> THIS IS $33.9 MILLION.

>> ORIGINALLY THERE WAS A GRANT PROGRAM, WHERE WE DID 25 MILLION-DOLLAR GRANTS, A COMPETITION OF 65 CITIES.

WE WERE ONE OF THE SIX SELECTED.

NOW, IT TURNS OUT THAT OUR PROPOSAL WAS THIS ONE AND WE GOT SELECTED.

IT WAS 2009, I THINK IT WAS, 2010.

IN RETROSPECT, MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T HAVE WON, BUT WHEN YOU GO BACK AND SAY, SHOULD WE NOT HAVE ENTERED?

I GUESS YOU COULD SAY WE SHOULDN'T HAVE.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE DEALS THAT WHATEVER COULD GO WRONG DID.

>> IT'S EASY TO SPEND OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.

YOU ALWAYS SAID, LOOK, IF YOU DON'T SPEND THIS MONEY, SOMEONE ELSE IS GOING TO GET IT, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY, AND NOW WE'RE $21 TRILLION IN DEBT.

THE MONEY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SPENT, PERIOD.

>> MY POINT IS, WHETHER ST.

LOUIS WAS BETTER OFF NOT GETTING $25 MILLION OF JOBS AND ECONOMIC ACTIVITY.

>> JOBS?

GIVE ME A BREAK.

THAT'S COMING OUT OF TAXPAYERS' POCKETS.

IT COULD HAVE GONE TO HEALTH CARE.

>> IT COULD NOT HAVE.

THAT'S WHAT I KEEP TELLING YOU.

IT WAS A FEDERAL PROGRAM.

>> WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT MONEY COMES FROM?

MY POCKET, YOUR POCKET.

THAT'S WHAT'S WRONG.

TAX AND SPEND.

WHAT ARE YOU SPENDING THIS ON?

>> THEY HAD A POT MARKED OF $150 MILLION MARKED FOR TRANSIT.

EITHER WE GOT OUR PIECE OR WE DIDN'T.

>> IT'S NOT EVEN TRANSIT.

IT'S ABOUT AS MUCH TRANSIT AS A FERRIS WHEEL OR CAROUSEL.

THAT'S NOT WHAT TRANSIT MEANS.

>> I GET.

IT BUT THERE'S NO WAY TO GO BACK IN TIME AND SAY WELL -- THE BIG THING IS, WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DO IS FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO GOING FORWARD.

>> WE NEED TO GET TO A FEW PHONE CALLS.

>> BILL IN ROCKHILL, MR.

TROLLEY HIMSELF.

>> (INAUDIBLE).

FIRST OF ALL KATHY MENTIONED ABOUT GOING AROUND FOREST PARK.

THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF LOOP TROLLEY'S LONG-TERM PLAN.

NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OR NOT.

BASICALLY THIS IS WHY THEY'RE HAVING THE PROBLEMS THEY'RE HAVING.

FIRST OF ALL, THEY MADE A MISTAKE IN NARROWING DELMAR.

THAT'S WHY EVERYBODY LOST THEIR MIRRORS.

SECOND OF ALL, THEY ORIGINALLY HIRED BOB ARCHIBALD TO BE IN CHARGE OF REMEMBER HIM?

THEY LOST ABOUT FIVE YEARS AFTER THEY FIRED ARCHIBALD, BECAUSE NOTHING HAPPENED.

DURING THAT, THEY DID AN ADJUSTMENT FOR COST FOR INFLATION.

THEN WHEN THEY DID START BUILDING, THEY STARTED CUTTING CORNERS TO TRY TO MAKE ENDS MEET BECAUSE THEIR FUNDING WASN'T PROPER, AND THEN, OF COURSE, ONCE THEY DID START, THEY HARDLY RUN THE THING.

WHO IS GOING TO RIDE IT IF IT'S ONLY GOING TO RUN FOUR DAYS A WEEK ON A VERY LIMITED SCHEDULE.

AND THE FINAL REASON WHY IT'S SCREWED UP IS THEY DIDN'T WANT TO LISTEN TO ANYBODY THAT REALLY KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT TROLLEY.

>> BILL, I HAVE TO SAY YOU, OF ALL PEOPLE, YOU'VE CALLED THIS SHOW SO MANY TIMES TIMES, AND YOU CALLED THIS SO RIGHT SO OFTEN, I'VE GOT TO GIVE IT TO YOU.

YOU REALLY DID.

>> WHAT ABOUT ME?

>> BILL KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.

>> I WOULD HATE FOR THIS TO BE, LIKE, TOM BROKAW FLYING IN AND CALLING THIS THE FLEECING OF AMERICA, AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF THE THING GOES BELLY UP.

>> THERE IS AN ACCOUNTING, THE SUNK COST LAW, AND THAT IS YOU DON'T THROW GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD.

ARE YOU GOING TO ASK A PRIVATE DONOR, YOU KNOW, BOB CLARKE AND AND (INAUDIBLE) TO THROW IN -- >> BILL, TALK TO ME.

I'M WRITING ABOUT THIS.

I'M INTERESTED.

MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE YOU CONTACT ME ON THE R FT.

WHAT I THINK HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WAS THERE A PLAN TO CONNECT THE FOUR OTHER INSTITUTIONS?

BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE CHANGED IT.

>> EVENTUALLY THAT WAS HIS LONG-TERM PLAN, IS HE WANTED TO EXPAND IT AROUND FOREST PARK.

>> DO YOU THINK THAT WAS VIABLE?

>> WELL, HERE'S THE TROUBLE FROM THE GET-GO.

I THINK HIS VISION WAS HE SAW IT MORE AS A AN AMUSEMENT PARK INSTEAD OF TRANSIT.

IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT DONE RIGHT, GO TO KANSAS CITY.

THEY BUILT A LINE THE SAME LENGTH, BUT THEY DID IT RIGHT.

THEY STARTED LATER THAN HE DID, AND THEY GOT IT UP AND RUNNING WITHIN TWO YEARS.

AND HERE'S THE OTHER INTERESTING THING.

>> SPENT TWICE AS MUCH MONEY.

>> THEY DON'T CHARGE TO RIDE IT.

IT CAN BE DONE RIGHT.

>> PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT.

>> HANG ON A SECOND.

YOU HAVE TO GO PLACES WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO GO.

>> EXACTLY.

>> AND WHAT IS ON BOLIVAR PEOPLE NEED TO GET TO?

>> YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT.

YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT.

IT'S SO OBVIOUS.

WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS TOWN THAT WE CAN'T SEE THAT?

>> THE QUESTION IS, BILL, BECAUSE HE'S WORK KEEPING ON.

>> TRY TO REDEVELOP THE BOLIVAR.

>> IS THERE A WAY TO DO IT IN FOREST PARK?

>> WELL, LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY.

IT WAS DONE ONCE BEFORE DURING THE WORLDS FAIR.

THE BAD THING IS THEY RIPPED IT OUT.

>> OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR THE CALL, BILL.

APPRECIATE IT.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> WHO WE GOT NEXT?

>> WE'RE GOING TO DAVE IN DEFINES.

IN DEFIANCE.

>> WE'RE ALL IN DEFIANCE.

HOW ARE YOU DOING, DAVE?

>> THANKS, GENTLEMEN, FOR TAKING MY CALL.

>> SURE.

>> GOOD EVENING.

YOUR BROADCAST STATION IS NO.

1.

ANYWHERE, I WANT TO MENTION ABOUT THE LOOP TROLLEY.

CHARLES COUNTY, WHICH OPERATES A TROLLEY DOWN IN ST.

CHARLES ALONG MAIN STREET, DRIVABLE AND THEY DIDN'T SPEND NEAR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WHICH THEY SPENT FOR THE LOOP TROLLEY.

>> MAYBE SO.

THERE ARE A LOT OF BUSINESSES IN THAT MAIN STREET.

IT'S A SHORTER PERIOD.

MAINLY WENT BACK UP AND DOWN THE LOOP AS OPPOSED TO GOING DOWN TO BOLIVAR TO THE HISTORY MUSEUM.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU GET OUT OF THE PAGEANT OR DELMAR HALL AT 11 O'CLOCK.

DO YOU NEED TO TAKE THE TROLLEY TO THE HISTORY MUSEUM?

>> I DON'T GET THAT.

>> ONE OF THE ORIGINAL THINGS IS IT WAS SUPPOSED TO CONNECT THE LOOP TO DELMAR STATION WHERE NOBODY WANTS TO GO RIGHT NOW, METROLINK, AND TO THE FOREST PARK STATION OR THE STATION BY -- IS THAT THE ONE -- NOT FAR FROM THE HISTORY MUSEUM.

>> BOLIVAR, YEAH.

>> ONE OF THE CONCEPTS WAS PEOPLE WOULD RIDE THE METROLINK TO ONE OF THOSE STATIONS AND TAKE THE TROLLEY TO THE LOOP OR VICE VERSA.

AND ONCE AGAIN, AMONG THE THINGS THAT WEREN'T FORESEEN, BESIDES UBER AND LYFT, WHICH WEREN'T AROUND IN 2010 WHEN THEY GOT IT, WAS THE FACT THAT METROLINK DIDN'T HAPPEN THE WAY IT NEEDED TO.

ANYWAY, LET'S -- >> ALSO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, LET'S SAY YOU'RE AT A HOTEL IN CLAYTON AND YOU WANT TO GET TO THE LOOP.

DO YOU REALLY NEED TO TAKE THE METROLINK TO BOLIVAR AND HOP ON ANOTHER TROLLEY WHEN YOU COULD BASICALLY DRIVE THERE IN 4 OR 5 MINUTES?

>> A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE, WE NEED TO RETHINK THIS ALONG TOURISM LINES OR PROGRAMS SOMETHING LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND CONCEDE THAT IT IS NOT WORKING AS MASS TRANSIT.

THE TRICKY PART OF THAT IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SORT OF GAVE US THE MONDAY FOR MASS TRANSIT.

AND WE ARE LOOKING AT VERY SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES.

>> AS WE SHOULD, AS WE SHOULD.

WE SHOULD HAVE TO PAY $30 MILLION BACK.

>> LET'S GO TO THE TWITTER VERSE AND SEE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO THROW ME A LIFELINE.

>> LIZ WROTE, THE TROLLEY WAS LOOKING BACKWARD.

BETTER LOOK FORWARD.

PUT MORE MONEY INTO THE GREAT RIVERS GREENWAY.

THAT'S ANOTHER TOPIC FOR ANOTHER DAY.

THANKS A LOT, LIZ WILL.

LET'S GOOD TO BILL.

HI, BILL.

>> THE TROLLEY IS OKAY.

WE COULD HAVE BUILT THE TROLLEY.

YOU COULD HAVE MAKE IT LOOK EXACTLY THE WAY IT LOOKS, BUT YOU DON'T NEED TRAIN TRACKS.

JUST PUT PNEUMATIC WHEELS ON IT, RUBBER TIRES.

THEY COULD HAVE EVEN LOOKED LIKE TROLLEY WHEELS BUT NO TRACK, AND YOU SAVE A TON OF MONEY AND IT'S REAL EASY TO HAVE IT GOING DIFFERENT PLACES.

>> FOR THAT MATTER, YOU COULD HAVE PUT IN A PROTOTYPE FOR A YEAR OR TWO, SOMETHING ON WHEELS WITHOUT TRACKS AND JUST SEE IF PEOPLE, LIKE, ENJOY IT.

SO YOU GET A BUS, MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A TROLLEY, RUN IT FOR TWO YEARS ON A TRIAL BASIS AND SEE IF PEOPLE LIKE IT OR NOT.

IF NOT, YOU DON'T PROCEED.

IF THEY'RE CRAZY ABOUT IT AND ARE LINING UP AND FIGHTING EACH OTHER TO GET ON THE THING, HEY, PUT IN THE TRACKS.

>> WE'VE GOT ALL OF THESE GOOD IDEAS.

LET'S GO TO CRYSTAL FROM SWANSY.

HELLO, CRYSTAL.

>> GOOD EVENING.

WONDERFUL SHOW TONIGHT.

DEFINITELY WONDERFUL SHOW.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE FOOTBALL GAME.

I THINK THAT THEY NEED TO BE PENALIZED.

AND THE DRINKING IDEA, DRINK EP DRINK AS MUCH AASMUCH AS YOU WANT WITHIN T HE HOUR, I THINK THAT'S A HORRIBLE IDEA.

AND AS FAR AS THE GUN THING, IF YOU FILL OUT FOR THE BACKGROUND CHECK AND YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO GET A GUN, TRUE CRIMINALS ARE GOING TO GET A GUN ON THE BLACK MARKET ANYWAY, SO I WONDER HOW THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT BENEFIT IT WOULD BE.

THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

>> THANKS FOR THE COMMENTS.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANKS FOR LISTENING TO THE SHOW.

>> I REALLY DO THINK THERE MIGHT BE A CIVIL LIBERTIES PROBLEM WITH THAT IDEA, THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT.

I'M REALLY OW -- I GO EITHER WAY ON THAT ONE.

WE TALKED ABOUT IT.

WHAT DID YOU THINK?

DID YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT SHOULD BE FIRED?

>> NOT THE PRESIDENT, BUT THE COACH.

THE COACH HAD TO KNOW.

>> I THINK THE COACH, FOR SURE.

I WASN'T AS SURE ABOUT THE WHOLE INSTITUTION THING.

>> WE DON'T KNOW IF THE PRESIDENT KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

>> WHAT AN INTERESTING STORY.

WE DON'T USUALLY TALK ABOUT THE CARDINALS.

>> CARDINAL RITTER.

>> YEAH.

>> WHO DO WE HAVE NEXT?

I THINK IT'S DOWN IN SOUTH CITY.

HI, DAN.

>> HELLO.

>> HI.

>> I KIND OF REMEMBER BACK WHEN THIS ALL -- THE TROLLEY THING STARTED, AND I'M THINKING IT WAS JOE WHO SAID IT, THAT BY HAVING THE TROLLEY GOING UP AND DOWN THE STREET, IT WOULD DEVELOP THE AREA AROUND IT.

THE GLASS FACTORY IS ON THERE.

THEY WANTED TO PUT OTHER THINGS ON THERE AND JUST HAVE PEOPLE STOPPING AND GETTING OFF AT BARS AND STUFF ALL THE WAY ALONG.

IT'S A DI DESERT BETWEEN U CITY AND FOREST PARK, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A CLEVER IDEA JUST TO DEVELOP THAT AREA.

>> HANG ON A MOMENT, JUST REALLY BRIEFLY.

THE AREA ON DELMAR EAST OF STINKER IS DEVELOPING LIKE CRAZY.

I KNOW SOME COMPANIES LIKE BIG SHARK MOVED OUT BECAUSE OF THE TROLLEY, YOU KNOW, THE TIRE TRACKS -- OR THE -- BIKE TIRES DON'T REALLY MESH WITH THE TROLLEY TRACKS THAT WELL.

HOWEVER, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT DOWN THERE, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE IN A WHILE, YOU WILL BE REALLY IMPRESSED, AND SOME OF THOSE OWNERS, LIKE I THINK HER NAME IS MAXINE CLARKE, DID SAY THAT SHE BUILT BECAUSE OF THE TROLLEY.

>> THEY DID, AND THAT'S JOE EDWARDS BAR, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO QUANTIFY.

JOE'S HAS A NUMBER OF $200 MILLION, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW HE ARRIVED AT THAT.

WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY DEVELOPED DOWN THERE, AND I DON'T THINK THEY WERE GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY.

OBVIOUSLY JOE EDWARDS HAS THE PAGEANT AND THE MOONRISE HOTEL, IN THAT AREA.

THERE IS -- AND BOB CLARKE, WHO HAS REALLY STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S -- WHAT PEOPLE MIGHT DO.

MY ONLY POINT ABOUT THIS IS THAT WE NEED TO REIMAGINE IT.

JUST TO GIVE UP ON IT AND TO KIND OF GO BACK AND FIGHT OVER IT IS NOT HELPFUL.

WE HAVE A PROBLEM AS A COMMUNITY.

MAYBE WE COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO COME TOGETHER.

MAYBE THERE ARE SOME PRIVATE SECTOR DOLLARS THAT CAN GET INVOLVED.

I HAPPEN TO LIKE MY IDEA, RENTING IT OUT FOR PRIVATE PARTIES.

>> MASSAGES.

>> LET'S GO TO ANN.

HOW ARE YOU, ANN?

>> HI.

THANKS FOR TAKING MY CALL.

I'M GREAT.

I WAS CALLING IN ABOUT THE CARDINAL RITTER SCANDAL.

I HAVE TO AGREE WITH RANDY.

THIS IS BAD THAT IT HAPPENS ANYWHERE, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PRIVATE CATHOLIC INSTITUTION THAT THIS HAPPENED.

I JUST THINK IT JUST, BUT IT'S SO UNETHICAL, AND THEN THE IMPACT THAT IT HAS ON THE STUDENTS, BUT IT'S OKAY TO DO THAT BECAUSE FOR THE SAKE OF WINNING.

I DEFINITELY THINK THAT THE COACH SHOULD BE FIRED, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE ATHLETIC DIRECTOR OR ABOVE THAT, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT PERSON SHOULD BE LET GO AS WELL.

>> I CAN'T ARGUE WITH THAT.

>> THANKS, ANN.

THANK YOU FOR CALLING.

>> IT'S JUST UNFORTUNATE.

THANK YOU.

LOVE THE SHOW.

BYE.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> BILL WAS MARKED UP ABOUT THAT ONE.

>> HE WAS.

>> SHAWN, YOU'RE IN NORTH COUNTY.

HI, SHAWN.

>> HI, CHARLIE.

HI, RAY.

LONG TIME VIEWER, FIRST TIME CALLER.

>> THANK YOU.

>> I JUST WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT-OUT TO MY DAD FOR FIRST TURNING ME ON TO THE SHOW BACK ABOUT 25 YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS A LITTLE KID.

>> NICE.

>> WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE NORTH COUNTY FOLKS, AND I JUST WANTED TO ALSO MENTION, THE JOLLY TROLLEY, OLD SCHOOL LOOKING TROLLEY, AND IT IS ON REGULAR WHEELS.

SOME OF OUR CALLERS HAVE SUGGESTED THAT THE DELMAR TROLLEY BE.

I KNOW YOU'RE PRESSED FOR TIME, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ASK, HAVE YOU BEEN TO DENVER, DOWNTOWN DENVER, AND HAVE YOU RIDDEN THAT FREE TRANSIT THAT RUNS THROUGH DOWNTOWN?

THANKS FOR THE SHOW.

>> IT'S LIKE ON ONE -- IT GOES RIGHT UP AND RIGHT BACK, AND IT'S PRETTY POPULAR.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, YES AND NO, I'VE BEEN TO DOWNTOWN DENVER, HAVE NOT RIDDEN ON THAT.

I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER IF I SAW IT.

BUT I HAVE HEARD, AS YOU HAVE, THAT BOTH THE KANSAS CITY AND DENVER EXPERIMENTS WITH WHAT THEY CALL CIRCULAR -- WHAT DO THEY CALL IT?

IT'S A CIRCULAR -- >> CIRCULATOR, URBAN CIRCULATOR, HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL, BUT THEY ARE -- THEY GO -- LIKE KANSAS CITY'S IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM ST.

LOUIS IN TERMS OF -- AND THEY SPENT MORE MONEY ON IT THAN WE DID, BUT IT GOES FROM PLACES PEOPLE WANT TO GO TO PLACES PEOPLE WANT TO GO, AND IT'S NOT AT ALL COMPARABLE.

AND I'M ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT COMPARED THE -- WHEN I WROTE ABOUT THIS IN ST.

LOUIS MAGAZINE YEARS AGO AND FOUND OUT -- THEY REALLY AREN'T COMPARABLE.

BUT I'VE BEEN A SUPPORTER OF THIS, AND I JUST WANT US TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING, AND I DO THINK IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOMETHING OTHER THAN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONCEDE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW ISN'T WORKING, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GIVE UP ON IT.

THAT'S MY OPINION.

LET'S GO TO BILL FROM ST.

GENEVIEVE.

>> BILL, HOW ARE YOU?

>> YEAH.

>> HEY, BILL.

>> HI.

FIRST TIME CALLER.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN I HAVEN'T BEEN WATCHING YOU FOR ABOUT 37 YEARS, AS LONG AS MY WIFE AND I HAVE BEEN MARRIED.

ALWAYS OUR DATE NIGHT ON THURSDAY NIGHTS, WE USED TO WATCH DONNYBROOK AND JEREMY BRETT AND SHERLOCK HOLMES.

WE REALLY MISS THAT.

I DON'T HAVE ANY PARTICULAR OPINIONS ABOUT THINGS TONIGHT, BUT I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, ONE BEING THAT, $10 AN HOUR FOR DRINKS IN ST.

GENEVIEVE WOULD NEVER GO, WOULD NEVER FLY, YOU WOULD LOSE YOUR MONEY.

YOUR BACHELOR AND BACHELORETTE PARTIES, EVERYBODY CHALLENGING EACH OTHER ON HOW MUCH THEY COULD DRINK IN THAT HOUR'S TIME.

I DON'T THINK IT WOULD FLY DOWN HERE.

THE OTHER THING, WE WERE JUST IN SAN FRANCISCO A WEEK AGO.

WE TOOK THE OAKLAND TO SAN FRANCISCO FERRY AND WERE FACED WITH EITHER HOPPING ON THE TROLLEY OR HOOFING IT TO GET OVER TO FISHERMAN'S WHARF, AND GET WHAT?

WE DECIDED TO WALK IT, BECAUSE THE TROLLEY WAS NOTHING BUT REALLY A TOURIST ATTRACTION THERE.

IF A TROLLEY DOESN'T REALLY MEET THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE TRAVELING, IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO FLY, I DON'T THINK.

>> WE REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WATCHING AND SUPPORTING THE 9 NETWORK, AND THANK YOU FOR THE CALL.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> I DON'T THINK WE CAN COMPARE OURSELVES TO THE SAN FRANCISCO TROLLEY, BUT THAT SURE HAS SUCCEEDED THROUGH THE YEARS.

THEY EVEN NAMED RICE AFTER IT.

>> LET'S CHECK THE TWITTER VERSE.

WHO IS OUT THERE?

LET ME SEE.

JDR 1949, 100% AGREE WITH CHARLIE ON THE TROLLEY, COULD HAVE DONE A PILOT WITH WHEELED TROLLEY FOR 1 YEAR, 500 K TO GAUGE ENTHUSIASM.

JUST STILL ONE OF THE MANY, MANY FOLLOWERS OF CHARLIE BRENNAN IN OUR COMMUNITY.

GOOD FOR YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

>> TENS OF THOUSANDS.

IS THIS VERRUCKT FROM ST.

LOUIS?

>> YES.

>> HOW ARE YOU, SIR?

WELCOME TO THE SHOW.

>> I THINK THEY SHOULD SAVE THE TROLLEY.

ALL THE MONEY THEY SPENT UP UNTIL NOW SHOULDN'T BE THROWN AWAY.

THE TROLLEY IS A GOOD IDEA.

THEY JUST NEED TO GET IT RIGHT.

ST.

LOUIS NEEDS TO FIND WAYS TO MAKE REVENUE TO SUPPORT THESE THINGS.

NOW, THE DRINKING THING FOR THE NIGHT, THAT WILL NEVER WORK.

SOME OF YOUR PANEL MEMBERS MIGHT LIKE IT, BECAUSE I THINK MORE THAN TWO OF YOU ARE DRUNK.

>> THANK YOU FOR CALLING.

>> WHO'S NEXT?

>> WE'RE TRAINED TO PERFORM THAT WAY.

>> JEAN.

>> TROLLEY, I AGREE WITH YOU -- CHARLIE, I AGREE WITH YOU.

THE MONEY INVESTED IN THE TROLLEY WAS A WASTE.

AND I THOUGHT FROM THE BEGINNING, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO INVEST THAT TYPE OF MONEY IN DELMAR PUTTING DOWN TRACKS.

IT'S AWKWARD, INTERFERENCE WITH THE BUSINESSES.

WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE DID WAS JUST GOT A TROLLEY BUS, AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE ECONOMICAL AND MORE FUN, BECAUSE TAXPAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE FALL GUY.

WHEN SOMETHING FAILS, THERE GOES OUR MONEY DOWN THE DRAIN, AND I WISH THEY HAD RESOLVED THIS FROM THE BEGINNING.

I THOUGHT A BUS WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST FINE AND WOULD HAVE SERVED THE SAME PURPOSE.

>> WELL, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE LAST -- THANK YOU FOR THE CALL.

I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE LAST ONE FOR THE NIGHT.

>> THANKS FOR ALL OF YOUR CALLS.

>> I THINK WE GOT SOME TROLLEY CALLS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WATCHING.

WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN NEXT WEEK.

GOOD NIGHT.

>> GOOD NIGHT.