>>> HELLO, EVERYONE AND WELCOME TO AMANPOUR & CO.

HERE IS WHAT IS COMING UP.

PRESIDENT BIDEN HEADS TO ISRAELAMID WARNINGS THAT GAZA FACESAN IMMEDIATE HEALTH CRISIS.

I TALKEDSOLUTIONS WITH THEEGYPTIAN FOREIGN MINISTER.

THEN AS HAMAS RELEASES ITSFIRST HOSTAGE VIDEO MYCONVERSATION WITHA WOMAN WHOSEPARENTS WERE KIDNAPPED.

AND LATER IN THE PROGRAM A BIGWIN FOR POLAND'S OPPOSITION ASTHEY DEFEAT THE COUNTRY'SPOPULIST GOVERNMENT.

WHAT THIS ALSO MEANS FORUKRAINE SUPPORT WITH BULLISHMEMBER OF PARLIAMENT.

ALSOAHEAD, ISRAELI HUMAN RIGHTSLAWYER.

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> >> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAMEVERYONE,I AM CHRISTIANEAMANPOUR IN LONDON.

THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT JOEBIDEN IS HEADING TO ISRAEL IN ASHOW OF SOLIDARITY SINCE 1400WERE SLAUGHTERED THERE ANDAHEAD OF A MAJOR IS REALLYOFFENSIVE INTO GAZA.

THE GERMAN CHANCELLOR WAS THERETODAY, AND LEADERS WERE ALSOINSISTINGTHAT INTERNATIONALLAW BE OBSERVED IN PALESTINIANLIFE PROTECTED.

AT LEAST 3000HAVE BEEN KILLED IN GAZA SINCEAIRSTRIKES BEGAN AND IMMEDIATECONCERNS CENTER ON TRYING TO GETLIFE'S BASIC NECESSITIES TO THEPEOPLE WHOARE CURRENTLY UNDERAN ISRAELI SIEGE.

THE ONLY WAY IN RIGHT NOW ISTHROUGH THE BORDER BETWEEN GAZAAND EGYPT BUT IT REMAINS CLOSEDWITH EACH OF THE FOCUS,I SPOKETO THE FOREIGN MINISTER ABOUTHOW LONG THIS CAN CONTINUE.

WELCOME TOTHE PROGRAM.

CAN I START BY ASKING YOU, WHATIS THE PROBLEM AT THE CROSSING,WHY IS AID NOT COMING INTO GAZAFOR PEOPLE?

>> CURRENTLY THERE IS A MILESLONG CONVOY OF HUMANITARIANASSISTANCE BETWEENRAFAH WITHTRUCKS ON THE SIDEOF THE ROADWAITING THE POSSIBILITY OFENTERING.

THE RAFAH CROSSINGOVER THE LAST DAYS HAS BEENBOMBED FOUR TIMES AMONG THEMONCE WHEN WE WERE TRYING TOREPAIR SOME OF THE DAMAGEFORTHE EGYPTIAN WORKERS THAT WEREINJURED.

THE CROSSING HAS SUSTAINEDDAMAGE, THE ROADS, ACCESS ROADSBETWEEN THE EGYPTIAN AND GAZANSIDE HAVE SEVERE DAMAGEANDNEED REPAIR.

AND THEREBYWE DO NOT HAVE ASWELL ANY AUTHORIZATION AND CLEAR, SECURE ROUTES, SECURE ROUTESFOR THOSE CONVOYS TO BE ABLE TOENTER SAFELY AND WITHOUT ANYPOSSIBILITY OF BEING TARGETED.

THAT IS THE CURRENT STATUSANDSITUATION AND WE ARE WORKINGDILIGENTLY HOPING THAT THERE ISAN OPENING ANDABILITY TOREPAIR THE CROSSINGS SO THATCONVOYS CAN GO IN.

THERE IS AGREAT NEED ON THE PART OF THOSEWHO HAVE BEEN DISPLACED FROMTHE NORTH OF GAZAFOR THE LACKOF FOOD, WATER, SHELTER ANDTHEY ARE SUFFERING IMMENSELY.

UNTIL NOW THERE IS NO SAFEPASSAGE THAT HAS BEEN GRANTEDAND NO ABILITY TOREPAIR THEDAMAGE THAT HAS BEEN AFFECTED.

>> WE HAVE SEEN,CNN HAS BEENREPORTING THAT THERE HAVEINDEED BEEN AIRSTRIKES AROUNDRAFAH.

WE'VE SHOWN ITTODAY.

PLUMES OF SMOKE AROUND THATAREA.

MY QUESTION TO YOU, EVEN IF ITWAS OPEN ANDYOU ALLOWEDHUMANITARIAN CONVOYSIN.

WHO ARE YOU WILLING TO ALLOWOUT?

CLEARLY THERE IS A MASSIVEPRESSURE.

PALESTINIANS ARE TRYING TOFLEE.

WOULD YOU ACCEPTTENS, HUNDREDSOF THOUSANDS OF DESPERATEPALESTINIANS INTO EGYPT?

>> I SEE THAT THIS IS AREPEATED QUESTION POSED TO USAND I WONDER WHETHER ITSHOULDN'T BE THE CASE, BUT WHATSHOULD BE ALLOWED IS THEENTRANCE OF UNITARIANASSISTANCE TO PROVIDE FOR THEGAZAN PEOPLE, TO REMAIN INTHEIR TERRITORY.

THAT TRANSFER, THAT DISPLACEMENTIS IN CONTRADICTION TO THEHUMANITARIAN LAW.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THEPURPOSE OF THE TRANSFER EXCEPTIF IT IS INTENTIONAL, OF VASTNUMBEROF PEOPLE THAT IS ACOUNTRY THAT IS ALREADY HOST TO9 MILLION REFUGEES, TO HAVE ANADDITIONAL INFLUX OF THISNATURE.

I BELIEVE THAT MANY EUROPEANCOUNTRIES ARE VERY SENSITIVE TOTHIS ISSUE ANDDO EVERYTHINGPOSSIBLE TO AVOID IT.

I KNOW THE UNITED STATES HAS APROBLEM ON THE SOUTHERN BORDERTHAT RESTRICTS THE ENTRY OFTHOSE WHO SEEK IT.

SO I WONDER WHY EGYPT SHOULD BE, PRESUMED TOALLOW FOR THEINFLUX OF 1 MILLION OR 2MILLION INHABITANTS WHO ARESUFFERING BECAUSE OF THECONSEQUENCES OF THERE BEINGTARGETED UNNECESSARILY.

>> I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHETHERIT IS ALSO AN ISSUE OFWORRYTHAT THEY WOULD NEVER BEALLOWED BACK.

FOR INSTANCE, THEJORDANIAN SAID ANY ATTEMPT TOMOVE THE LISTINGS OUT OF THEOCCUPIED WEST BANK IS A REDLINEFOR THEM.

I'M WONDERING IF YOU ARECONCERNED,LIKE OTHER ARABLEADERS ARE, AND CERTAINLYPALESTINIANS.

THAT EVEN IF YOU DID ALLOW THEMIN THAT WOULD BE THE END OFTHEIR ABILITY TO GO BACK INTOGAZA.

>> THAT IS CERTAINLY APOSSIBILITY AND MIGHT BE ANINTENTION THAT THEY AREFORCIBLY THEREBY DISPLAYS ANDTHEY LOSE THEIR PROPERTY ANDLOSE THEIR HOMELAND.

FOR PURPOSES OF A POLITICALREASON.

THAT IS ABSOLUTELY A VIOLATIONIF IT DOESN'T CONSTITUTE A WARCRIME IN ITSELF.

THE FORCEFUL DISPLACEMENT OF APOPULATION OF THAT SIZE ISUNJUSTIFIED AND UNWARRANTED.

>> YOUR PRESIDENT WILL BEMEETING, ALONG WITH THE KING OFJORDAN AND THE HEAD, PRESIDENTOF THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY,WILL BE MEETING WITH PRESIDENTBIDEN.

WHAT DO YOU THINK THISCONVERSATION IS AIMED AT?

WHAT ARE WE LOOKING ATIMMEDIATELY AND IN THE LONGTERM?

>> THE IMMEDIATE TERM I BELIEVETHE CONVERSATION WOULD HAVE TOEMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OFDETECTING CIVILIAN LIVES, ANECESSITY TO PROVIDEHUMANITARIAN ACCESS AND PROVIDESAFE HAVENS FOR CIVILIANS SOTHAT THEY, SO THAT THEY AREPROVIDED THE RIGHTS OF THEINTERNATIONAL AND HUMANITARIAN LAW.

BUT ALSO IT NECESSARILYWOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEPROSPECTS OF RE-INITIATION, OF A POLITICAL PATHWAY ANDPOLITICAL HORIZON FOR THEESTABLISHMENTS IN THE END OFTHE CONFLICT OF A TWO STATESOLUTION.

WE HAVE CONSTANTLY BEEN TRYINGTO MANAGE THE PALESTINIAN ISSUEAND WE HAVE CERTAINLY FAILED.

I DON'T THINK THAT IF THEINTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY HAS THERESOLVE AND THE COMMITMENTTOTHE TWO STATE SOLUTION ASINTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED AS AWAY TO END THIS CONFLICT ANDTHE SUFFERING OF BOTH THEISRAELI AND PALESTINIAN PEOPLE,THAT WE DO HAVE TO REGAIN THEPOLITICAL HORIZON ON THE BASISOF THE TWO STATE SOLUTION.

THOSE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANTISSUES, I THINK THAT CAN FREETHE REGION FROM THISCONSTANTCYCLE OF CONFLICT AND VIOLENCE.

>> SOME ISSUE THATEGYPT WASTHE FIRST TO MAKE PEACE WITHISRAEL,AND JORDAN AND YOU'VEALL BEEN INVOLVED IN THESENEGOTIATIONS FOR A PERMANENTSETTLEMENT.

SO WHAT DO YOU THINK, WELLFIRSTLY, DO YOU BELIEVE THATISRAEL CAN REMOVE THE MILITARYTHREAT POSED BY HAMAS, AND IFIT DOES, WHO THEN GOVERNS GAZA?

>> I REALLY CAN'TCOMMENT ONMILITARY OPERATIONS.

IT IS NOT MY EXPERTISE.

I BELIEVE THAT GAZA CANBEGOVERNED BY THE PALESTINIANPEOPLE OF GAZA AND BY THEREINTRODUCTION OF THEPALESTINIAN AUTHORITY.

THAT HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY OFTHE GOVERNANCE OF THE OCCUPIEDPALESTINIAN TERRITORIES ANDSHOULD BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITYTO DO SO.

IT DEMONSTRATED ITS ABILITY INTHE WEST BANK TO DEAL WITH THETERRORIST THREAT AND HAVE ADEGREE OF SECURITY ANDCOOPERATION BOTH WITH ISRAELAND OTHERS AMONG THE UNITEDSTATES THAT HELD THEAUTHORITYIN BUILDING ITS CAPACITY.

SO THAT COMES TO MINDIMMEDIATELY.

>> CAN I ASK YOU ABOUTHOSTAGES?

ARE YOU AT ALL INVOLVED INTRYING TO GET HAMAS TO RELEASETHE HOSTAGES?

DO YOU KNOW WHO IS?

>> EVERYONE, I THINK, WHO WASCONCERNED IN THE REGION ISEAGER TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE ANDTO GUARANTEE THE SAFETY ANDRELEASE OF ALL CIVILIAN HOSTAGESAND DETAINEES, PALESTINIANDETAINEES AS WELL.

I BELIEVE THAT IT WILL RELAXTHE CURRENT TENSIONS AND ITISNECESSARY BECAUSE OF THE NATUREOF ANY FORM OF ATTACKOFCIVILIANS.

WHATEVER CONTEXT WE HAVEWEWILL CERTAINLY APPLY TO DEALWITH THE VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THECONFLICT AND THE CRISIS,INCLUDING THE HOSTAGE, IF WEARE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO DOSO.

>> FINALLY, THERE IS ANIMPORTANT REPORT THAT SAYS YOURHEAD OF INTELLIGENCE CALLEDISRAEL, PARTICULARLYBENJAMINNETANYAHU, TOALERT HIM ABOUTSOMETHING FIERCE HAPPENING FROMGAZA JUST DAYS BEFORE THEATTACK.

NETANYAHU DENIES IT,BUT THEU.

S. CONGRESS, THE FOREIGNAFFAIRS COMMITTEE HASSAIDTHEY'VE ALSO HEARD THOSEREPORTS.

WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THAT?

>> I HAVE NO INFORMATION INTHIS REGARD.

WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT FORMORE THAN A YEAR AND A HALF ORMORE WE HAVE CONSTANTLY, IN ALLOF OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH OURALLIES AND FRIENDS, THE UNITEDSTATES, AND WITH OUR FRIENDS INISRAEL AND IN THE REGION, WEHAVE ALWAYS BEEN WARNING THATTHE CYCLE OF VIOLENCE WILLRETURN IF THE CURRENT POLITICALSTAGNATION AND LACK OFACHIEVEMENT AND SOLUTION TO THECONFLICT OF THE ESTABLISHMENTOF THE PALESTINIAN STATE REMAINSIN THIS STATEOF NON-INPUTMENTATION.

THESE ARE CYCLES THAT WEHAVEEXPERIENCED IN THE PAST.

THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIMETHATTHEY'VE ERUPTED.

THIS IS THE FOURTH TIME, WE'VEHAD TO IN THE WEST BANK AND THEOCCUPIED TERRITORIES AND THISCOMES ON THE HEELS OF THEFRUSTRATION AND LACK OFACHIEVEMENT AND LACK OFIMPLEMENTATION OF THE TWO STATESOLUTION.

I THINK OUR WARNINGS, GENERALWARNINGS AND EXPECTATIONS INTHIS REGARD, AGAIN,HAVE BEENPUT AS AN ACCURATE EVALUATION.

>> JUST ON A PERSONAL LEVEL,WERE YOU SHOCKED BY WHATHAPPENED, BY WHATUNFOLDED ONOCTOBER 7?

>> MOST DEFINITELY.

HORRENDOUS TO SEE WHATEVERIMAGERY OF TARGETING CIVILIANS, IT IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

CIVILIANS SHOULD NOT BE IN ANYWAY SUBJECT TO ANY FORMOFMILITARY ACTIVITY.

IT WAS A SHOCK, SOMETHING THATWAS DEPLORABLE.

>> FOREIGN MINISTER OF EGYPT,THANK YOU SO MUCHFOR JOININGUS.

>> THANK YOU.

> >> AMID THE HUMANITARIANCONCERNS FEARS OF A WIDER WARARE INFLAMED BY WINNINGS FROMRUNS LEADERS AND SKIRMISHESWITH HEZBOLLAH.

BUT THE UNITED STATES AS ITSEES NO EVIDENCE OF OTHERPLANNING TO JOIN THISBATTLEYET.

IN 2006 HEZBOLLAH AND ISRAELFOUGHT A MONTHS LONGWAR AFTERTHE LEBANESE MILITANTS CAPTUREDTWO ISRAELI SOLDIERS.

WE THOUGHT IT WORTH REVISITINGTHEIR LEADERS SOBER REFLECTIONS.

>> WE DID NOT THINK, EVEN 1%THAT THE CAPTURE WOULDLEAD TOA WAR AT THIS TIME AND OF THISMAGNITUDE.

YOU ASKED ME IF I'D KNOWN ONJULY 11 THAT THE OPERATIONWOULD LEAD TO SUCH A WAR.

WHAT I DO IT?

I SAY, NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

>> AN AMAZING ADMISSION ALLTHOSE YEARS AGO.

IN RECENT WARS THOUSANDS OFCIVILIANS HAVE BEEN USED ASHUMAN SHIELDS.

RECALLSADDAM HUSSEIN TAKINGMORE THAN 1000 FOREIGNERSCAPTIVE AS THE U. S-LEDCOALITION AMASSED FOR THE FIRSTGULF WAR.

THESE HOSTAGES WERE EVENTUALLYRELEASED BUT IT CAUSED MASSIVETENSION FOR COALITION LEADERS.

ISRAEL SAYS, 199 PEOPLE HAVEBEEN TAKEN BY HAMAS AND INPREDICTABLE PSYCHOLOGICALPROPAGANDA AND WARFARE, HAMASHAS NOW RELEASED THE FIRSTHOSTAGE VIDEO.

A 21-YEAR-OLD.

HERE IS HER DISTRAUGHT MOTHER.

>> MY MESSAGE TO MY DAUGHTER ISTHAT I LOVE HER SO MUCH AND IMISS HER SO MUCH.

>> JOINING ME NOW INOUR LONDONSTUDIO IS SOMEONE IN A VERYSIMILAR STRUGGLE.

BOTH OF SHARON'S PARENTSWEREKIDNAPPED ON THE DAY OF THEATTACK WELCOME TO OUR PROGRAM.

YOU HAVE BEEN VERY VOCAL INTRYING TO BASICALLY TELL THEWORLD WHAT HAPPENED AND TRYINGTO GET SOME ANSWERS.

CAN I ASK YOU, FIRST, HOW YOUDISCOVERED THAT YOUR PARENTSHAD BEEN TAKEN?

>> I WAS ON THE WAYFOR A DAYOUT WITH MY FAMILY AND I SAW ONTHE NEWS, I CALLED MY MOM ANDSHE DIDN'T ANSWER.

I CALLED MY BROTHER AND HE TOLDME THAT THERE WAS A BREAK INTHE BORDER AND THEIR HAVE BEENMISSILES SHOOTING AND THATWECAN NO LONGER GET IN TOUCH WITHMY PARENTS.

AND I THINK AT THE TIME IUNDERSTOOD IT TO MEAN THAT ITWAS BECAUSE THEY WERE HIDING.

WE DIDN'T KNOW FOR A VERY LONGTIME UNTIL THE EVENING THATTHEY WERE MISSING.

THEIR HOUSE WAS ONE OF THE LASTTO BE VISITED.

>> WE HAVE A PICTURE OF THEHOUSE.

IT DOES SHOW, AND I THINK, YOUCAN TELL IS, IT DOES SHOW QUITESOME DISTURBANCE.

YOU CAN SEE IT, IT IS NOT VERYCLEAR BUT YOU SEE SOMEFIRE.

>> THE WHOLE HOUSE IS GONE.

MY GRANDFATHER RECORD PLAYER ISTHE ONLY THING THAT SURVIVED.

MY FATHER'S LIFE WORK IS GONE,MY MOTHER'S LIFEWORK IS GONE.

EVERY DIARY, EVERYTHING IS GONE.

AND THAT ISTHE LEAST OF MYPROBLEM.

>> THAT IS THE LEAST OF YOURPROBLEM.

I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT YOURPARENTS.

THEY ARE ELDERLY.

85 AND 83 YEARS OLD TAKEN FROMTHEIR BEDS.

>>THEY WERE GLOWING,THEY WEREREALLY IN THEIR ELEMENT THELAST YEAR.

MY MOM NEEDED OXYGEN WHEN SHESLEPT.

SHE SUFFERED FROM A LOT OFPAIN, BACK PAIN AND NEEDEDMEDICINE.

THEY WERE NO LONGER THE KIND OFPEOPLE THAT CAN JUST SURVIVEWITHOUT MEDICINE.

MY MOM, I THINK, LITERALLY WASRIPPED OUT OFHER OXYGENMACHINE BECAUSE SHE WAS ASLEEPAT THAT POINT.

>> AND YOUR FATHER, ALSO, FIRSTLET ME ASK YOU, BECAUSE WE'VEHEARD AND I'VE INTERVIEWEDSEVERAL FAMILY MEMBERS INSIDEISRAEL AND YOU LIVE HERE.

WHO SAID THAT THEY FOUND OUT,YOU KNOW, FROM POSTS ONTELEGRAM OR SOME OTHER PUBLICAWARENESSTHAT THEIR PARENTS ORTHEIR FAMILIES HAD BEEN TAKEN.

AND THEY HADN'T HEARD FROM THEGOVERNMENT.

HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING, AREYOU GETTING ANY SUPPORT FROMYOUR GOVERNMENT OR QUACKS?

>> NOT REALLY.

NO, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY REALSUPPORT.

I'VE HEARD A LOT OF TALK ANDTRYING TO ESTABLISH WHERE IS ITON THE LIST OF PRIORITIES FROMMY GOVERNMENT TO GET MY PEOPLEBACK.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 80 PEOPLE.

THERE ARE A LOT OF KIND OFMEASURING.

YOU KNOW, AS IF WE ARE DEBATINGSOME KIND OF CAMPAIGN.

IN EFFECTTHERE IS PEOPLE THEREAND THAT IS THE FIRST, SECOND,THIRD, THE FIRST THOUSANDPRIORITIES SHOULD BE THESEPEOPLE.

>> YOU KNOW, I ALSO ASKEDYOURFORMER PRIME MINISTER, WHAT ISTHE FIRST OBJECTIVE OF A MAJORMILITARY OFFENSIVE INTO GAZA,IS IT TO GET THE HOSTAGES?

IS IT TO ERADICATE HAMAS?

THIS WAS HIS ANSWER.

IS YOURFIRST PRIORITY THE HOSTAGES?

NOW YOU SAY THERE ARE HUNDRED99.

WHAT IS YOUR FIRST PRIORITYWHEN YOU GO IN?

>> I WISH WE COULD HAVE FIRSTPRIORITY.

WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH BOTH ISSUESAT THE SAME TIME.

OF COURSE, THE FIRST THING WEWANT IS OUR BABIES BACK HOMEAND WE WILL DO EVERYTHING INOUR POWER TO BRING THEM BACKHOME.

WHAT KIND OF, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT, I DON'T THINK I CAN CALLTHEM PEOPLE.

WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE DOINGTHAT, HIDING BEHIND A NINE-MONTH-OLD BABY.

USING THEM AS A WEAPON, AS A TOOL.

>> HE HAD SHOWN ME A PICTURE OFSUCH A BABY.

BUT OF COURSE THEY ARE THEELDERLY AND THE INFIRM AND MANYPEOPLE.

DOES IT WORRY YOU WHEN YOU HEARTHAT, OR IS THAT ANINEVITABILITY, AND OF COURSETHERE ARE AIRSTRIKES.

>> WHAT WORRIES ME IS THAT IFEEL THERE IS A LOT OF EGOMIXED INTO IT.

I DON'T FEEL CONFIDENCE,NOTDIRECTLY, IN THAT GOVERNMENT,NOT ACTING FROM A KIND OF HURTMALE EGO POSITION.

AND INSTEAD REALLY THINKINGABOUT THE LIVES OF THESEPEOPLE.

THERE ARE 200 PEOPLE MISSING.

BUT THIS IS A COMMUNITY THATLOST DOZENS ANDHUNDREDS OFPEOPLE OUT OF THE WHOLE REGIONTHAT IS TOTALLY DEVASTATED.

WE NEED THESE PEOPLE TO FEELTHAT THERE IS SOME SENSE, SOMEHOPE AND SOMEBODY CAME BACKFROM THIS HORRENDOUS THING.

THIS CANNOT BE SOMETHING THATIS JUST SORTED OUTAMONG THEVARIETY OF OPTIONS.

>> AS WE SAID,THE FIRSTHOSTAGE VIDEO, THAT ISPSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE.

THE FIRST HOSTAGEVIDEO CAMEOUT, HAMAS RELEASED IT.

ARE YOU PREPAREDYOURSELF,MENTALLY, PHYSICALLY, IN CASEYOUR OWN PARENTS SHOW UP ONTHESE VIDEOS?

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW ONECANPREPARE FOR SUCH A THING.

I HAVE FELT SINCE THE BEGINNINGOF THIS THAT THIS IS OUTSIDEOFANYTHING I EVER THOUGHT ANDIHAVE JUST TRIED TO KEEPWITHINIT AND KEEP A SANITY AND ABELIEF IN HUMANITY.

>> IT ISHARD, ISN'T IT, RIGHTNOW?

>> WHAT IS THE OPTION?

>> IT IS REALLY INTERESTING FORSOMEBODY LIKE YOU, A DIRECTVICTIM AND SUFFERA TO HEAR YOUSAY THAT, ACTUALLY.

WHAT IS THE OPTION?

I WONDERED WHAT YOU THOUGHT OFTHE PREVIOUS INTERVIEW ICONDUCTED WITH THE EGYPTIANFOREIGN MINISTER.

BECAUSE I ASKED HIM ABOUT LONGTERM, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN LONG-TERM, HOW DO YOU RESOLVE THISTERRIBLE SITUATION TO STOPLEADING TO THESE CYCLES OFVIOLENCE?

AND HE, AGAIN, TALKED ABOUT THEONLY THING ON THE TABLE IS APOTENTIALPEACE PROCESS AND ATWO STATE SOLUTION.

YOUR PARENTSWERE PEACENIKS.

IF I CAN SAY THAT.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> TELL ME WHAT THEY DID ANDCAN YOU EVEN IMAGINE THAT ATTHIS POINT?

>> THIS IS THE FIRST MAJORCRISIS THAT I'M NOT TALKINGWITH MY FATHER ABOUT.

IT'S ALMOST A BIG THING NOT TOTALK TO MY FATHER ABOUT IT.

HE HAD A VERY STRONG OPINIONABOUT THINGS BUT ALWAYS FELTTHAT YOU MAKE PEACE WITH THEENEMIES.

THAT OUR JOB IS TOFIND THE SHARED GROUND, GROUNDED IN HUMANITY.

AND THAT THERE IS NOALTERNATIVE.

I DON'T THINKHISTORY SHOWS USTHAT THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE.

I THINK THAT HEFOUGHT ALL HISLIFE FOR THE RIGHTS OFPALESTINIANS,IN THE1970S, HEFELT THAT WAS WORTH PURSUING INTHE FACE OF AN EVER-GROWINGSHIFT TO A LESS COLLABORATIVERHETORIC AND IN THE FACE OFHUGE SETTLEMENTS THAT WERE MADETHERE IN ORDER TO STOPTHEPOSSIBILITY OF THE TWO STATESOLUTION.

I BELIEVE THAT IF HEWAS HERE HE WOULD SAY THATTHISWOULD PRESENT A NEW OPPORTUNITYFOR THAT.

>> IT IS AMAZING TO HEAR YOUSAY THAT IN THE MIDST OF THISPERSONAL GRIEF AND NATIONALHORROR.

JUST REMIND OUR AUDIENCE, YOURDAD USED TO DRIVEPALESTINIANSTO HELP, RIGHT?

>> HE WAS PART OF ANORGANIZATION OF PEOPLE FROM THEREGION THAT WOULD REGULARLYSIMPLY TAKEPALESTINIANS FROMTHE BORDER TO THE EASTJERUSALEM AND OTHER HOSPITALSIN ISRAEL.

YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THESEPEOPLE ARE NOT LIVING ON ANOTHERPLANET.

THEY LIVE A MILE FROM US.

WE KNOW THEM, WE HEAR THEM.

WE HEAR THEM, THEY HEAR US.

WE HADRELATIONSHIP WITH THEM.

THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WERE REALLYDESTROYED WITH HAMAS TAKINGCONTROL.

BUT THEY ARE THERE AND WE KNOWTHEY ARE THERE, YOU KNOW THEYARE PEOPLE.

THOSE ARE OUR FRIENDS THERE.

>> WHAT KEEPS YOU GOING, HOWARE YOU HOLDING UP?

>> I THINK I WOKE UP ON MONDAYAND JUST HAD A REALLY CLEARREALIZATION THAT I AM FIGHTINGHATE.

THE HEART OF IT IS AN EMOTION.

IT IS NOT A STORY OF ONE NATIONOR ANOTHER.

AND THAT WE ALL HAVE A JOB TODO.

BECAUSE THIS HATE IS WHATCAUSES US TO BE ABLE TOBEAGAINST YOUR OWN NATURALINSTINCT TO GOAFTER THEBABIES.

THAT IS A LEVEL OF BLINDINGHATE.

WHEN YOU ARE FACED WITH SUCH ATSUNAMI OF HATE, I THINK, IDON'T WANT TO COMPETE.

I WENT TOKIND OF SAY,SOMETHING ELSE.

WE CAN DO IT BETTER.

WE CAN DO IT DIFFERENT.

WE HAVE TO HOLD ON TILL LIBERALVALUES, TO THE IDEA THAT YOUAND ME FROM VERY DIFFERENTNATIONS ARE BEST OF FRIENDSBECAUSE WE SHARE VALUES.

I DON'T THINK THAT I CAN AFFORDTO LET MY COMMUNITY GO THROUGHTHIS DEVASTATION AND HAVE ITFRAMED WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OFHATE AND STORIES ABOUTSOMEONEAND SO FORTH.

OF COURSE THESE ARE PEOPLE THATWENT AND MADE THESE PEOPLE OUTOF THIS LAND.

BUT AT THE HEART OF IT THERE ISA PIECE, YOU KNOW, AMONGSTOURSELVES, TOWARD OURSELVESANDTOWARD OTHERS.

FOR ME, THIS IS WHAT KEEPS MEGOING.

THE IDEA THAT I'M NOT GOING TOLET THE OTHER SIDE FRAME MEETWITHIN THIS ANDTHERE ISALREADY SO MUCH BEING SAIDABOUT STRENGTHENING THEPOSITION OF PEOPLE, WHY IT ISWORTHTO DO THIS AND TO DOTHAT.

WE HAVE TO FACE OUR OWN SELVESAND WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHATHATE DOES TO US.

AND THEN INCREASE THE CIRCLE.

>> SHARONE LIFSCHITZ YOU ARE ABRAVE AND EXEMPLARY WOMAN.

THANK YOU.

> >> NOTES OF POLAND WHERE THETIDE MAY BE TURNING AGAINST ALIBERAL DEMOCRACY.

AFTER NEARLY A DECADE, THERULING POPULIST PARTY LOOKS SETTO BE OUSTED FROM POWER AND ANDPROBE YOU PARTY PLUSCOALITIONPARTNERS ARE READY TO TAKE HISPLACE.

FOR YEARS POLAND AND THE EUHAVE BEEN AT LOGGERHEADS OVERISSUES LIKE PRESS FREEDOM, THERULE OF LAW, LGBTQ RIGHTS ANDRECENTLY, UKRAINE.

JOINING ME NOW IS A FORMERFOREIGN MINISTER AND A MEMBEROF THE CIVIC COALITION PARTY.

HE IS ALSO A MEMBER OFTHEEUROPEAN PARLIAMENT.

WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

FIRST OF ALL, YOU MUST BEPRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THERESULTS.

AND IT WAS AN UNPRECEDENTEDTURNOUT.

>> PROUD OF THEPEOPLE OFPOLAND, YES.

10% HIGHER THAN AT THE TIMEWHEN WE WERE TAKING DOWNCOMMUNISM WHICH SHOWS YOU HOWSTRONGLY WE FEEL ABOUT THISANTI-EUROPEAN TRENDIN RECENTLY.

PEOPLE HAVE SAID NO TO UP AGAINTHE, LIES ANDCORRUPTION ANDTAKING POLAND OUT OF THE EU.

>> AND WANT TO READFROM THEPARTY LEADER.

WE DID IT, REALLY, I KNOW WHEREDREAMS WERE EVEN MORE AMBITIOUSBUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT I'VEBEEN A POLITICIAN FOR MANYYEARS, I'M AN ATHLETE AND I'VENEVER BEEN SO HAPPY WITH THISSUPPOSED SECOND PLACE IN MYLIFE.

POLAND WON AND DEMOCRACY WON.

HE IS BASICALLY SAYING, YES, THEACTUAL RULING PARTY YOU OPPOSEDID GET ENOUGH VOTES BUT NOTENOUGH TO FORM AGOVERNMENT.

DO YOU BELIEVE IN THIS VERYCONTENTIOUS ERA THAT WE LIVEIN, THAT YOUR COALITION ANDYOUR PARTY WILL MANAGE TO TAKETHEIR SEATS AND BECOME THE NEXTGOVERNMENT?

>> YES, I THINK SO.

THE RULING PARTYHAS BEEN SONASTY TO EVERYONE, INCLUDINGEVEN TO THE FAR RIGHTTHAT NOONE WANTS TO MAKE A COALITIONWITH THEM.

REMEMBER THAT THIS WAS NOT AFAIR ELECTION.

THE INTERIM REPORT IS ALREADYSAYING IT.

THE STATE MEDIA WERE STACKEDAGAINST US IN THE PROSECUTION SERVICE, THE PEGASUS WAS LOADEDONTO PEOPLE'S PHONES.

STATE MEDIA ARE USED ASPIGGYBACKS FOR THE RULING PARTY.

IT WAS ASTATE CAPTURE.

BUT THAT'S WHY THIS ELECTION ISSO INSPIRING.

WE'VE JUST SHOWN THAT YOU CANWIN AGAINST THESE POPULACE BUTYOU HAVE TO REALLY CONVINCE THEGREAT MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE.

I AM REALLY PROUD OF THEMAGNIFICENT THING THAT'S BEENDONE.

AND JUST LIKE WITH THESOLIDARITY YEARS AGO.

I HOPE WE INSPIRE DEMOCRATS AROUND THE WORLD.

>> THAT IS INTERESTING BECAUSEEVERYBODY WHO BELIEVES IN THEKIND OF DEMOCRACY YOU ARELAYING OUT WONDERS WHETHER THISIS A TIE TO TURNER, SO TO SPEAKBECAUSEA LIBERAL DEMOCRACYEXISTS EVEN IN EUROPE.

YOU SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING INHUNGARY, AND YOU SAW WHAT JUSTHAPPENED IN SLOVAKIA.

THE VERY PRO-RUSSIAN, IT WASNOT FAR RIGHT THAT IT WASACTUALLY LEFT AND VERY PRO-RUSSIAN, LIBERAL PARTY, IT TOOKOVER.

WHAT ARE YOU INKING OF THEWIDER PICTURE GIVEN THE PARTIESVICTORY?

>> WELLPOLAND IS ATRENDSETTER.

IN 1989 WE HAD A NON-COMMUNISTGOVERNMENT BEFORE OTHERS.

I THINK PEOPLE SEE THECONSEQUENCES OF NOT HAVINGFREECOURTS, OF NOT HAVING ANINDEPENDENT CIVIL SERVICE OF STATE COMPANIES BEING TAKENOVER BY INCOMPETENCE, OFGOVERNMENTS MISMANAGING THEECONOMY.

IN POLAND'S CASE, IMPOSING ATOUGHER ANTIABORTION LAW THANTHE ISLAMIC OF THE RUN.

THE WOMEN OF POLAND HAVE ALSOSAID NO TO THIS ATTEMPT TO TAKEUS BACK TO SOME KIND OF 19thCENTURY TRADITIONALIST FANTASY.

>> ALL THAT YOULAYOUT INCLUDINGWHAT THE EU SAID WAS AN ASSAULTON THE RULE OF LAW AND THE JUDICIAL SITUATION, THE ANTI-LGBTQ AND THE ANTI-WOMENPOLICIES THEY HAD, INCLUDING ABIG HOLD ON THE PRESS,YOUSANCTIONED THEM, YOUR CURRENTGOVERNMENT, BUT DO YOU THINK ANEW GOVERNMENT CAN UNWIND, ANDHOW DIFFICULT WILL THAT BE, ALL THE INSTITUTIONAL POWER OF THECURRENT GOVERNMENT AND WHAT ITHAS ENFORCED.

>> IT WILL NOT BE EASY, YOU AREQUITE RIGHT.

THE PRESIDENTS WHO TERMEXTENDSFOR ANOTHER 18MONTHS IS PARTOF THE CURRENT RULING PARTY ANDWE DON'T HAVE THE MAJORITY TOBREAK HIS VETO.

BUT WE WILLMEND OURRELATIONSHIP WITH THE EUROPEANUNION.

WE HOPE TO GET THE RECOVERY FUNDS MONEY, THE STRUCTURALFUNDS AND POLAND WILL RETURN TOITS RIGHTFUL PLACE ASONE OFTHE FIVE BIGGEST MEMBERS OF THEEU AND IS PARTICULARLYINFLUENTIAL, I HOPE, IN SETTINGALL OF EUROPE'SPOLICY TOWARDRUSSIA AND UKRAINE.

>> CAN YOU TELL ME, AGAIN,UKRAINE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED,WHETHER IT WAS A THING THATWOULD BE REVERSED, BUT WHENTHEY SAID THAT THEY WERESUSPENDING WEAPONS TO UKRAINE,HAVING BEEN SUCH A STRONGSUPPORTER, THAT WAS A PRETTYBIG SHOCK.

COMBINED WITH THE U. S. HOUSE REPUBLICANS, THE IDEA OFRESTORING OR CUTTING ORREDUCING EIGHT AND NOW OFCOURSE WITH ISRAEL AND THEATTENTION THAT NEEDS TO BE PAIDTO WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THEMIDDLE EAST, WHAT DO YOU SEEFOR THE FUTURE OF UKRAINE'SABILITY TO DEFEND ITSELF?

>> WELL, YES.

THIS OUTGOING GOVERNMENTPLAYEDPOLITICS, THINGS THAT SHOULDBEOUT OF THE POLITICAL ARENA, OFWHICH THEY HAD THE SUPPORT OFTHE OPPOSITION.

SO THE STATEMENT ONSTOPPINGTHE DELIVERANCE OF ARMS TOUKRAINE WAS A BIG MISTAKE.

WE WILL SUPPORT UKRAINE.

IN WHATEVER IT TAKES FOR UKRAINETO WIN AND RECOVER ITSINTERNATIONAL BORDERS.

YOU KNOW, EVEN THECLASSIFIEDOPERATIONAL PLANS OF THE POLISHARMY TO FIGHT ALONE WAR WITHRUSSIA, YOU DON'T PLAY PARTYPOLITICS WITH STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT THERE ISGOOD NEWS FROMUKRAINE TODAY.

THE U. S. ATACMS HAVE BARELYMADE IT TO THE BATTLEFIELD ANDTHE CRANE HAS DESTROYED SOMELARGE NUMBER OF RUSSIANHELICOPTERS.

WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR AMERICAN SUPPORT.

>> AND THAT WAS INSIDE UKRAINEOR INSIDE RUSSIA?

>> WELL, IT COULD BE IN THEOCCUPIED TERRITORIES, I'M NOTSURE.

BUT APPARENTLY THE ATTACK WASSUCCESSFUL.

UKRAINE NEEDS OUR HELP.

THE MORE WEAPONS WE GIVE THEMTHE SOONER THIS WAR WILL ANDAND PUTIN MAY NOT WIN THIS,UKRAINE NEEDS TO WIN THIS.

>> I KNOW THOSE ARE FIGHTINGWORDS AND THAT IS WHATEVERYBODY, LIKE-MINDED LEADERSAND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING NOWFOR A BETTER PART OF NEARLY TWOYEARS OF THIS WAR.

BUT YOU DO SEE WHAT ISHAPPENING IN THE UNITED STATES.

I MEAN, THERE IS A WHOLE THINGOF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO THESPEAKER IS GOING TO BE.

AND THE MINORITY THERE WHO HELDUKRAINE EIGHT HOSTAGEAIDHOSTAGE OVER THE SEVERALMANEUVERS, IS CAUSING A LOTOFWORRIES.

I WONDER IF WHETHER YOU THINKTHAT WILL BE A REAL PROBLEMBECAUSE U. S. IS THE BIGGESTSUPPORTER, AND WHETHER UKRAINEMIGHT HAVE TO TAILOROR TRIMITS AMBITIONS?

>> WELL, ACTUALLY, IFYOUCOMPUTE WHAT RUSSELLS DOES FORUKRAINE PLUS THE EU MEMBERSTATES,THEN AMERICAN ANDEUROPEAN SUPPORTS ISCOMPARABLE.

BUT YES, AMERICAN WEAPONS AREABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL.

AND YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PEOPLEWHO ARE ENTITLED TO FEELTIREDBY THIS WAR, THE UKRAINIANS.

THE UKRAINIANS WITH OUREQUIPMENT HAVE ALREADYDESTROYED HALF THE RUSSIAN ARMY.

FOR ABOUT 10% OF AN ANNUALU.

S. DEFENSE BUDGET.

THIS IS A VERY BIG SERVICE THATUKRAINE HAS GIVEN TO THE WORLDOF LIBERTY.

AND WE NEED TO HELP THEM FINISHTHE JOB.

HOPEFULLY, SO THATRUSSIA MAYREFORM ITSELF AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

> >> WITH SO MUCH OF THE FOCUSON THE HUMANITARIAN CATASTROPHEUNFOLDING IN GAZA, MASSCASUALTY, POPULATIONSDISPLACEMENT AND DESTRUCTION,AS AUTHORITIES SAY ITIS UNLIKEANYTHING SEEN IN PREVIOUSAGGRESSIONS.

THAT IS THEIR WORD.

HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH PROGRAMDIRECTOR JOINS US TO DISCUSSTHE INCREASINGLY GRAVE SITUATIONON THE GROUND IN GAZA AND THEOCCUPIED WEST BANK.

>> THANK YOU SOMUCH FORJOINING US.

JUST RECENTLY THE U. N. HUMANRIGHTS COMMISSION SAID THAT THEEVACUATION THAT ISRAEL HASORDERED OF THE PALESTINIANSWOULD BE A FORCIBLE TRANSFER OFCIVILIANS.

DOES THAT CONSTITUTE A HUMANRIGHTS VIOLATION?

>> YES.

WHILE WARRING ARMIES AREENCOURAGED TO WARN CIVILIANSWHERE SUCH WARNING CAN ACTUALLYHELP KEEP THEMSELVESSAFE, THEEVACUATION ORDER THAT THEISRAELI MILITARY ISSUED ONFRIDAY DOES NOT THAT CATEGORYAND IT RISKS CIVIL TRANSFER.

THEY ORDERED 1 MILLION PEOPLE,ONLY HALF OF THEM ARE CHILDREN,TO LEAVE NORTHERN GAZA, THAT ISHALF THE POPULATION ANDEVACUATE TO THE SOUTH.

BUT THERE IS NO SAFE PLACE TOGO TO BECAUSE THEY CONTINUEDBOMBING THE SOUTH.

AND THERE IS NO SAFE WAY TO GETTHERE BECAUSE THEY CONTINUEDBOMBING EVEN THE EVACUATIONROUTES THAT THEY DESIGNATEDVARIED UNDER THOSECIRCUMSTANCES IT IS NOTANEFFECTIVE WARNING AND IT IS NOTPROTECTING CIVILIANS.

IT RUNS THE RISK OFTHE COMINGFORCIBLE TRANSFER.

IN PARTICULAR BECAUSE THEISRAELI MILITARY ALSOENCOURAGED PALESTINIANS TO FLEETO EGYPT.

70% OF THE PEOPLE LIVING INGAZA ARE REFUGEES FROM WHAT ISNOW ISRAEL.

SO SOME OF THE OLDER PEOPLETHAT WERE FLEEING THEIR HOMESON FRIDAY REMEMBERED 75 YEARSAGO, FLEEING HOMES IN SOUTHERNISRAEL AS THE ISRAELI ARMYAPPROACHED.

AND THEY ALSO REMEMBER THATTHEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO COMEBACK.

>> SO WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCESHERE IF ISRAEL CONTINUES TOCARRY THESE ACTIONS OUT?

RIGHT NOW THEY SEEM TO HAVE AMILITARY PLAN IN PLACE AND ITIS A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THEYLAUNCH WHAT WOULD BE A GROUNDOFFENSIVE.

>> NONE OF THIS IS INEVITABLE.

THE UNITED STATES IS SUPPLYINGTHE ISRAELI MILITARY WITH $3.

8BILLION IN MILITARY AID EVERYYEAR AND THEY ARE NOW RUSHINGADDITIONAL WEAPONS.

THEY ARE ALSO PROVIDING ISRAELWITH POLITICALCOVER ANDDIPLOMATIC COVER.

THE UNITED STATES HAS ANOPPORTUNITY TO BE VERY SPECIFICIN TELLING ISRAEL THAT IT NEEDSTO PROTECT CIVILIANS IN GAZA.

AND THOSE SPECIFICS WOULD FIRSTOF ALL TO BE TO CANCEL THEEVACUATION ORDER AND TO PROTECTCIVILIANS IRRESPECTIVE OF WHERETHEY ARE.

MANY PEOPLE IN NORTHERN GAZADID NOT LEAVE, EITHER BECAUSETHEY COULDN'T,THEY ARE OLDERPEOPLE OR PEOPLE WITHDISABILITIES, HOSPITALPATIENTS, BECAUSE THE MAINHOSPITAL IN GAZA IS IN THEEVACUATION ZONE.

OR THEY CHOSE NOT TO BECAUSETHEY WERE FACING IMPOSSIBLECHOICES AND THE CONDITIONS INTHE SOUTH ARE NOT GOOD TO SAYTHE LEAST.

THOSE PEOPLE RETAIN THEIRCIVILIAN PROTECTIONS.

IF THE ISRAELI MILITARY DOESLAUNCH A GROUND INVASION IT MENOTTARGET OR INDISCRIMINATELYATTACK THEM.

THE SECOND THING THE UNITEDSTATES GOVERNMENT IS TO ASK THEISRAELI GOVERNMENT, TELL THEISRAELI GOVERNMENT TO DOIMMEDIATELY IS TO RESTORE FUEL,ELECTRICITY, WATER, AND FOODSUPPLIES TO GAZA.

THEY'VE BEEN CUT SINCE OCTOBER7th.

COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT, WHICH ISWHAT DENYING SUPPLIES ARE ANDFORCIBLE TRANSFER ARE WARCRIMES.

AND I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR,WHAT HAMAS LED FIGHTERS DID ONOCTOBER 7th WAS AN UNSPEAKABLEWAR CRIME.

THEY MASSACREDCIVILIANS, TOOKHOSTAGE CHILDREN AND PEOPLEWITH DISABILITIES, BABIES ANDOLDER PEOPLE.

IT WAS UNSPEAKABLE.

BUT THE FACT THAT THE OTHERSIDE IS MEETING WAR CRIMESDOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU GET TOCOMMIT MORE CRIMES.

AND IT NEEDS TO BE VERY CLEARTHAT ISRAEL HAS TO PROTECTCIVILIANS IN GAZAYOU ARESUFFERING VERY DIFFICULTCIRCUMSTANCES.

>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS FROMTHE OUTSIDE IT SEEMS LIKE THEIDEASABOUT THE LAWS OF WAR,WHAT IS FAIR OR WHAT IS NOTFAIR, TO HAVE BEEN WRITTEN FORAN ERA WHERE YOU CAN TELL WHOTHE SOLDIERS WERE BECAUSE THEYWERE WERE WEARING THIS COLORUNIFORM AND THEY WERE STANDINGOPPOSITE A FIELD FROM YOU.

BUT NOW,ONE OF THE CONCERNSTHAT ISRAEL HAS IS HOW DO ITELL WHO IS A CIVILIAN AND HOWDO I TELL WHO IS NOT?

>> I SEE IT A BIT DIFFERENTLY.

WHEN YOU CUT WATER TO APOPULATION OF 2.

2 MILLIONPEOPLE, NEARLY HALF OF WHOMARECHILDREN, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHATTHAT IS GOING TO DO.

THAT IS NOT ABOUT SECURITY.

THAT IS COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENTAND IT IS MATCHED BY STATEMENTSTHE DEFENSE MINISTER SAYINGTHAT THEY WILL HAVE A TOTALSIEGE IN GAZA.

WHEN YOU DROP WEAPONS INDENSELY POPULATED AREAS,EXPLOSIVE WEAPONS THAT HAVEWIDE AREA AFFECTS, IT ISPREDICTABLE THAT YOU WILL KILLCIVILIANS.

IT IS PREDICTABLE THAT YOU WILL KILL CHILDREN.

ANDTHAT IS WHATHAS HAPPENED.

NEARLY 3000 PEOPLE IN GAZA HAVEBEEN KILLED, ABOUT 1/3 OF THEMCHILDREN, SINCE OCTOBER 7thISRAELI AIRSTRIKES HAVE BEENKILLING 100 CHILDREN A DAY INGAZA.

THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE LOSS OFWAR OR THE PROBLEM IS THE LACKOF CONSISTENCY.

THE VERY SAME OUTREACH THATAPPROPRIATELY MADE ISRAELIS ANDAMERICANS SO HORRIFIED BY WHATHAMAS LED FIGHTERS DID TOISRAELI CIVILIANS ON OCTOBER 7NEEDS TO BE THE SAME PRINCIPLETHAT APPLIES TO THE CIVILIANSIN GAZA.

WE ARE TRYING TO HOLD OPEN ANARROW SPACE OF UNIVERSALPRINCIPLES.

CIVILIANS NEED TO BE PROTECTED.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY AREISRAELI OR PALESTINIAN.

CHILDREN NEED TO BE PROTECTED.

THAT IS NOT HARD, OR ITSHOULDN'T BE HARD.

>> RECENTLY HAMASPOSTED AVIDEO OF ONE OF THE HOSTAGESTHEY ARE HOLDING.

WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS THATH AMAS NEEDS TO MEET, HOW SHOULDTHOSE PEOPLE BE TREATED AT THISTIME?

>> THE FIRST THING THEY SHOULDDO IS UNCONDITIONALLY RELEASEALL THE CIVILIANS THEY AREHOLDING HOSTAGE.

HOSTAGETAKING IS AWAR CRIMEAND IT'S IMPORTANT.

WE KNOW IT INCLUDES PEOPLE WITHDISABILITIES AND OLDER PEOPLE, I THINK THE OLDEST IS 85 ANDTHE YOUNGEST IS NINE MONTHSOLD.

THEY NEED TO BE RELEASEDIMMEDIATELY AND UNCONDITIONALLY.

THEY NEED TO BE TREATED HUMANELY.

AND LAST WEEK THE HAMASMILITARY THREATENED TO EXECUTECIVILIANS IF THE AIRSTRIKESCONTINUED.

THAT IN ITSELF IS A WAR CRIME.

>> YOU HAVE BEEN LIVING IN ANDWHATSTUDYING WHAT HAS BEENHAPPENING IN THE MIDDLE EASTFOR DECADES NOW.

AND I WONDER, BECAUSE, JUST AS AJEWISH WOMAN MARRIED TO APALESTINIAN MAN, WHAT HAS BEENGOING THROUGH YOUR HEAD FOR THEPAST WEEK?

>> YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS ALLFIRST HAPPENED ON SATURDAY IHAD TO ADDRESS MY CHILDREN'SQUESTIONS.

WHY WAS THERE COUSIN SO SCARED,WHY WAS THEIR GRANDMOTHERTRYING TO EVACUATE, WHAT WASHAPPENING?

AND I TOLD MY DAUGHTER WHAT IALWAYS TOLD HER.

THAT THERE ARE ABUSESTAKINGPLACE AGAINST PALESTINIANS.

BUT THAT THERE IS NEVER ANYJUSTIFICATION FOR KILLINGPEOPLE.

AND THAT SOME PEOPLE WHO OPPOSEWHAT THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT ISDOING TO PALESTINIANS KILLED ALOT OF PEOPLE.

AND THAT WAS HORRIFIC.

MY DAUGHTER GETS IT VARIED MYDAUGHTER UNDERSTANDS THATPEOPLE ARE PEOPLE AND THAT YOUDON'T HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDSFOR ISRAELIS OR PALESTINIANS.

SHE UNDERSTANDS THAT WE ARE ALLHUMAN BEINGS BECAUSE SHE LOVESPEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES.

ONE OF THE THINGS I'M WORRIEDABOUT IS THE US VERSUS THEMDISCOURSETHAT WE ARE SEEING,CERTAINLY IN ISRAEL BUT ALSO INTHE UNITED STATES.

IT BECOMES, BUT THEY ARE WORSETHAN WE ARE.

THAT IS NEITHER CONSTRUCTIVE ORPARTICULARLY NORMAL.

WE HAVE OBLIGATIONS AS HUMANBEINGS TO PROTECTCIVILIANS ANDTO PROTECT OTHER HUMAN BEINGS.

THAT IS THE ONLY WAY WE WILLGET OUT OF THIS.

THIS VIOLENCE DIDN'T COME IN AVACUUM.

IT CAME AFTER DECADES OFOPPRESSION OF PALESTINIANS BYTHE ISRAELI GOVERNMENTTHATINNO WAY JUSTIFIES WHAT IS DONE.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZETHAT IF WE WANT THIS TO STOP WENEED TO ADDRESS THE ROOTCAUSES.

THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT, FORDECADES, HAS BEEN ENGAGING INFORCIBLE TRANSFER OFPALESTINIANS AT THE WEST BANK,TAKING THEIR LAND AND SETTINGASIDE FOR JEWISH SETTLERS.

THAT ALL NEEDS TO STOPTHE DAYAFTER THIS WAR ENDS.

AND RIGHT NOW THE UNITED STATESGOVERNMENT HAS PARTICULARRESPONSIBILITIES TO EMPHASIZETHOSE UNIVERSAL PRINCIPLES.

THE PRINCIPLES THAT MY NINE-YEAR-OLD GETS BUT UNFORTUNATELYBIG GROWN-UPS DON'T SEEM TO GET.

>> SO WHAT CAN BE DONE CONSIDERING AT THIS POINT THEREHAVE BEEN PERHAPSMORE CRIMESCOMMITTED.

BUT BY THE TIME ANY OF THESEWORK CRIMES ARE PROSECUTED THEDAMAGE IS ALREADY DONE.

DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF LABORS ORMECHANISMS WHERE WECAN PREVENTTHEM FROM CONTINUING TO HAPPEN?

>> WE HAVE ASKED THEINTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURTPROSECUTOR TO ISSUE PREVENTATIVEWARNINGS.

THERE IS ONGOINGINVESTIGATIONBY GAZA AND THE ISRAELIMILITARY AND THERE IS ANOPPORTUNITY TO ISSUE A WARNINGSAYING THAT WE ARE CONCERNEDFOR THE CRIMES THAT ARE BEINGCOMMITTED, PLEASE STOP.

THE U. S. GOVERNMENT CAN DO THESAME THING.

>> PRESIDENT BIDEN IS SUPPOSEDTO BE IN ISRAEL IN A FEW HOURS.

WHAT SHOULD HE BE SAYING THERE?

>> ASIAN SAY TO CANCEL THEEVACUATION ORDER FROM FRIDAY.

STOP DROPPING EXPLOSIVE WEAPONSINTENSELY POPULATED AREASBECAUSE IF YOU DO THAT YOU WILLKILL CIVILIANS.

AND IMMEDIATELYRESTORESUPPLIES OF FOOD, FUEL, WATERAND ELECTRICITY.

THAT'S RIGHT NOW.

LATER ON WE CAN TALK ABOUT SOMEOF THE ROOT CAUSE OF WHY THISIS GOING ON RIGHTNOW.

AND OTHER COUNTRIES TO LOOK ATTHEIR ATROCITY PENSIONMEASURES.

THEY HAVE MEASURES THAT THEYLOOK AT STATEMENTS OF CONCERNBY DIFFERENT GOVERNMENTSINCLUDING WHAT WE'VE SEENRECENTLY BY ISRAELI OFFICIALSAND THEY HAVE MECHANISMS THEYCAN USE TO RAIN THAT INANDEXPRESS STRONG CONCERN.

I CAN VERY MUCH UNDERSTAND HOWHORRIFIED PEOPLE ANDALSOPOLICYMAKERS IN THE UNITEDSTATES AND EUROPE ARE BY WHATTHE HAMAS LED FIGHTERS DID TOISRAELI CIVILIANS.

BUT THEY NEED TO BE VERY CLEARTHAT WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW INGAZA CANNOT CONTINUE.

CIVILIANS NEED TO BE PROTECTED FULL STOP.

>> WHAT DO YOU EXPECT TO HAPPENNEXT?

>> A LOT OF IT DEPENDS ON WHATTHE UNITED STATES DECIDES TODO.

IF THE UNITED STATES DECIDESTHAT IT WILL RAIN IN THEISRAELI MILITARY AND ASK THEMTO, FOR EXAMPLE, RESTORESUPPLIES TO CIVILIANSTOPROTECT CIVILIANS, I THINKTHERE IS A CHANCE THINGS CANGET BETTER.

IF THEY DON'T, I'M VERYWORRIED.

>> IT SEEMS, IN SOME WAYS,HUMAN NATURE THAT WHEN YOUAREHURT YOU TURN AROUND AND TRY TOHURT OTHERS.

YOU PUNCH BACK OR FEEL LIKE THEBEST DEFENSE IS A GOOD OFFENSE.

HOW DO YOU STOP THAT CYCLE FROMPERPETUATING?

>> YOU ADHERE TOBASICPRINCIPLES.

YOU ASKED IF THELAWS OF WARARE STILL VALID ANDAPPROPRIATE.

ABSOLUTELY.

THERE ARE BOOKS WRITTEN ABOUTIT BUT IT IS ACTUALLY VERYSIMPLE.

YOU HAVE TO DETECT CIVILIANSAND PROTECT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVENOTHING TO DO WITH THE FIGHTING.

THAT, THAT ISTHE PRINCIPLETHAT CHILDREN CAN UNDERSTAND.

WHEN I TELL MY DAUGHTER, I KNOWYOUR BROTHER HIT YOU BUT THATDOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN HIT HIMBACK, I THINK WE CAN HAVE AVERY SIMPLE MESSAGE TO THEISRAELI GOVERNMENT.

I KNOW I MUST COMMITTEDUNSPEAKABLE MORE CRIMES AGAINSTCIVILIANS, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOUCAN COMMIT MORE CRIMES.

>> TELL ME WHAT IT'S LIKE FORYOUR KIDS GROWING UP IN THEWEST BANK WITH AN ISRAELIPARENT AND A PALESTINIAN.

IT IS THEIR DAY-TO-DAYEXISTENCE LIKE WHERE THEY SEETHE EFFECTS OF BEING KIND OFFROM TWO SITES?

>> I THINK IT MAKESTHEM BETTERHUMAN BEINGS.

MY CHILDREN UNDERSTAND THATTHERE ARE PRINCIPLES OF BASICHUMANITY.

THEY UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSETHEY LOVE AUGUSTINIANS AND ISRAELIS.

THEYHAVE TWO SETS OFGRANDPARENTS, RELATIVES ANDFRIENDS.

THEY ARE ABLE TO WALK THATBEAUTIFUL BUT NARROWINGSPACEWHERE HUMAN BEINGS ARE HUMANBEINGS.

I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITYTO FOLLOW IN THEIR FOOTSTEPS.

WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPLYTHOSE SAME BASIC PRINCIPLES TOTHE POLICIES AND DECISIONSBEING MADE RIGHT NOW.

I'M VERY PROUD OF MY CHILDREN.

AND I THINK THAT CERTAINLY SOMEPOLICYMAKERS HAVE A LOTTOLEARN FROM THEM.

>> THIS OPERATION SEEMS TO BEMUCH LARGER THAN WHAT HAPPENEDBACK IN 2014.

I'M WONDERING WHAT YOUR BIGGESTCONCERNS ARE ABOUT THE SCALE OFWHAT IS HAPPENING NOW.

>> I'M WORRIED THAT THERE WILLNOT BE MUCH LEFT.

THIS IS ALL ABSOLUTELYUNPRECEDENTED.

THE MASSACRES AND HOSTAGETAKINGON OCTOBER 7th WERE THE WORSTISRAELI MASSACRESIN HISTORY.

AND THERE ARE AT LEAST 199ISRAELIS BEING HELD INCAPTIVITY IN GAZA.

THE DESTRUCTION BEING DONE INGAZA, BOTH OF THE CIVILIANINFRASTRUCTURE, HOSPITALS,SCHOOLS AND ROADS, BUT MORE TOTHE POINT OF PEOPLE'S LIVES ISIRREVERSIBLE.

WE ARE MOVING TO A PLACE WHEREVERY BASIC PRINCIPLES OFHUMANITYARE BEING THWARTEDVERY QUICKLY.

THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO MOVE VERYWEEKLY TO STOP THAT.

>> PROGRAM DIRECTORFOR THEHUMAN RIGHTS WATCH, THANK YOUSO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

> >> FINALLY TONIGHT, A LOOK BACKINTO THE ARCHIVE, MY REPORTFROM 2006 WHENHAMAS WONELECTIONS IN GAZA THATIRONICALLY THE GEORGE W. BUSHADMINISTRATION INSISTED GOAHEAD DESPITE WARNINGS FROMBOTH ISRAEL AND THE PALESTINIANAUTHORITY THAT HAMAS WOULDLIKELY PREVAIL.

I WITNESSED HOW, DESPITE HAVINGA GOVERNMENT COMMITTED TO THEDESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL, THEPEOPLE OF GAZA DEPENDED ONISRAEL RATHER ECONOMICSUBSISTENCE.

EVERY DAY THOUSANDS OFPALESTINIAN WORKERS CROSS ACONCRETE NO MAN'S LAND, WALKINGBACK AND FORTH FROMMENIAL JOBSIN ISRAEL TO THEIR HOMES INGAZA.

THIS FETID AND SMELLY BLEAKTUNNEL IS NOT A FORMALINTERNATIONAL BORDER BUT ITCERTAINLY IS A SEPARATION OFTWO WORLDS.

WE JUST LEFT THE FIRST WORLD INISRAEL AND NOW WERE ARE HEADEDTO THE THIRD WORLD IN GAZA CITY.

THERE IS CHAOS AND VIOLENCEAHEAD.

MILITANT FOLLOWERS OF THE LATEARTHUR ARAFAT STILL CAN'TBELIEVE THAT THE RADICAL ISLAMIC MOVEMENT, HAMAS, WONTHE PALESTINIAN ELECTION.

THE WEST CALLS HAMAS ATERRORIST ORGANIZATION BUT FORMANYPALESTINIANS, HAMAS IS ALIFELINE.

FOR TWO DECADES THEY'VE BUILT AGRASSROOTS NETWORK OF AFFORDABLESOCIAL SERVICES LIKE THISMEDICAL CLINIC THAT CHARGES TWODOLLARS A VISIT.

SO WHEN IT CAME TIME TO VOTETHE PALESTINIANS PAID HAMASBACK.

I KNEW HAMAS MEMBER OFPARLIAMENT SHOWED US A KINDERGARTEN,HAMAS RUNS NEARLYALL OF THEM HERE IN THE GAZASTRIP.

I THINK MANY AMERICANS WOULD BESURPRISED TO SEE THE IMAGESHERE.

IT IS ALL AMERICAN CULTURE.

MINNIE MOUSE, POPEYE, TOM ANDJERRY.

VERY AMERICAN.

>> BECAUSE OUR CHILDRENON THETELEVISION SEE TOM AND JERRY.

THEY ARE PLAYING, THEY ARERIGHTING AND READING.

>> EVERY MOTHERAND FATHERVOTED FOR YOU.

>> MAY BE.

MOST OF THEM.

>> IN AMERICA AND IN ISRAELPEOPLE HAVE THE IMAGE OF HAMASAS A TERRORISTORGANIZATION.

YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE CALLEDTHAT.

THEY DON'T HAVE THIS IS THEIMAGE.

WE ARE NOT TEACHING THEM ANYKIND OF TERRORISM OR SOMETHING,NO, NO.

>> I KNEW THEM BEFORE THEYBECAME TERRORISTS, AND TO THEMWHEN THEY WERE TERRORISTS ANDNOW THEY BECAME LEADERS.

>> ARE THEONES HEADED ISRAEL'SSECURITY SERVICES AND MAKE THEISRAEL'S NEXT DEFENSE MINISTER.

>> THE PHILOSOPHY OF HAMAS ISWELL KNOWN TO US.

TO BUILD KINDERGARTEN MOSQUESFROM WHERE THEY PICK UP THERIGHT PEOPLE, THE STRONG PEOPLEIN THE RECRUIT THEM FOR SPECIALUNITS OF HAMAS.

SPECIAL UNITS OF TERROR.

>> MUST LAUNCHED 50 SUICIDEATTACKS IN THE PAST FIVE YEARSAND ISRAEL RESPONDED BY KILLINGTHEIR TOP LEADERS.

NOW HAMAS IS MAINTAINING ATRUCE.

IF IT STOPS TERRORISM ANDRECOGNIZES ISRAEL, THEY CANDEAL WITH THE HAMAS GOVERNMENT.

>> A VERY ESSENTIAL DECISIONHAS TO BE TAKEN BY THEMSELVES.

THEN THEY WILL FIND A PARTNER.

BUT, IF THEY ARE GOING TOCONTINUE THEIR SYSTEM AND TOATTACK ISRAELIS, BELIEVE ME,CHRISTIANE, WE WILL BEDONEWITH THEM, BY ALL MEANS.

CAN THERE EVER BE PEACE?

>> WHY NOT.

WE CAN SOLVE OURPROBLEMS WITHPEACE, WE WELCOME IT.

WE WILL PUT THE WEAPON DOWN.

>> GHAZI EDITS THE HAMASNEWSPAPER.

YOU KNOW THAT PEOPLE ALL OVERARE WAITING FOR YOU TO FILLINTHE UNITED STATES, MAYBE EUROPE, ISRAEL, THE PALESTINIANAUTHORITY.

THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE YOUSUCCEED.

>> KNOW.

BUT OUR PEOPLE WANT TO SUCCEED.

THE UNITED NATIONS SHOULDUNDERSTAND THAT IF THEY GETASSISTANCE FROM MONEY, THEYDON'TTAKE MUCH FROM US.

>> THEY MAY HAVE HAD A PEACEFULAND DEMOCRATIC ELECTION BUTTHEY VOTED ANY GOVERNMENT THATTHE UNITED STATES, ISRAEL ANDMOST OF THE WEST REJECTS.

THE UNITED STATES ALREADY SAIDTHEY WILL NOT PROVIDE ANY MONEYTO THE PALESTINIAN GOVERNMENTAND SALARIES TO OVER 100,000PEOPLE MAY GO UNPAID.

THERE ARE SHORTAGES OF FOOD ANDMEDICINE, HUMANITARIAN CRISISLOOMS FOR GAZA'S 1 1/2 MILLIONPEOPLE.

THAT IS WHY SO MANY WORKERSLIKE AHMED LINEUP AT MIDNIGHTTO GET TO THEIR JOBS AND ISRAELTHE NEXT DAY.

>> MY CHILDREN STARTED ASKINGMY WIFE, WHERE IS OUR FATHER ASTHEY NEVER SEE ME.

I SLEPT FOR TWO HOURS LASTNIGHT, AT MOST.

>> HUNDREDS OF OTHERPALESTINIAN WORKERS ARE AHEADOF HIM, WAITING FOR THE TUNNELTO OPEN.

>> WE ALL TRY TO GET TO WORKFIRST SO WE CAN KEEP OUR JOBS.

WE HAVE TO DO THIS IN ORDER TOEAT.

>> IT WILL TAKE MANY MORE HOURSTO MAKE IT THROUGH THE SECURITYCHECKS TO ISRAEL ON THE OTHERSIDE.

BUT LIFE HERE IN GAZA COULD GETEVEN MORE DIFFICULT NOW THATTHE PALESTINIANS HAVE ELECTED AGOVERNMENT THAT ISRAEL AND THEWEST REFUSED TO DEAL WITH.

>> SO IT IS CHILLING AND WETHOUGHT IT INSTRUCTIVE TO SEEWHERE IT STARTED AND IT WASINCUBATED ALL THOSE YEARS AGO.

THE SIEGE WAS IMPOSED ANDEVERYBODY GOT MORE AND MORERADICAL.

AND HERE WE ARE.

AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOMEMORE OF THESE ARCHIVAL HEARS ANDARCHIVED REPORTS OF HOW THECHILDRENWERE STUCK IN THISPLACE AND MAYBE THOSECHILDRENWHO I REPORTED ON ALL THOSEYEARS AGO BACK IN 2006, WHOKNOWS WHERE THEY ARE TODAYANDWHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING.

YOU CAN ALWAYS CATCH US ONLINE,ON OUR WEBSITE AND ALL OVERSOCIAL MEDIA.

THANK YOU FOR WATCHING ANDGOODBYE, FROM LONDON.