>>> HELLO, AND WELCOME TO AMANPOUR & CO .

HERE'S WHAT COMING UP.

ISRAEL CONTINUES BOMBING GAZA.

DOCTORS SAY THE ENTIRE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS ON THE VERGE OF COLLAPSE MY WORLD EXCLUSIVE WITH JORDAN'S QUEEN RON YOU ON THE HUMANITARIAN CATASTROPHE AND THE PLIGHT OF PALESTINIAN.

>>> HAMAS RELEASES TWO MORE HOSTAGES.

SHE DESCRIBES HER ORDEAL AND WHAT NOW FOR THE OTHERS.

I'M JOINED BY VETERAN ISRAELI NEGOTIATOR GERSHON AND PRESIDENT BIDEN'S UNEQUIVOCAL SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL IMPACTING HIS SUPPORT AMONGST YOUNGER DEMOCRATS.

POLITICAL STRATEGIST SHAHEED TALKS TO --.

>> TRANSFER IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE ANDERSON FAMILY ENDOWMENT, CANDACE, THE FAMILY FOUNDATION OF LAYLA AND MICKEY STRAUSS, JIM ATWOOD AND LESLIE WILLIAMS, MARK BLUSHING HER, SET IN MELVIN, CHARLES ROSENBLUM, KOO AND PATRICIA AND YOU AND COMMITTED TO BRIDGING CULTURAL DIFFERENCES IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG, ADDITIONAL SUPPORT PROVIDED BY THESE FUNDERS AND BY CONTRIBUTIONS TO YOUR PBS STATION FROM VIEWERS LIKE YOU.

THANK YOU.

>> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

I'M CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR IN LONDON.

I WENT THROUGH , THE WORDS OF 85-YEAR-OLD YOKHEVED LIFSHITZ.

SHE WAS RELEASED ALONGSIDE HER NEIGHBOR AND FRIEND 79-YEAR-OLD COOPER.

HER 83-YEAR-OLD HUSBAND IS STILL BEING HELD ALONG WITH OVER 200 OTHERS AS ISRAELI PUBLIC OPINION STARTS TO SHIFT TOWARD SAVING THEM AS THE TOP PRIORITY.

MEANTIME, THE U.S. SECRETARY OF SPENT STATE IS CALLING FOR YOU MATURING PAUSES AS THE ONE RELIEF AGENCIES SAY IT WILL HOLD OPERATIONS BY TOMORROW IN GAZA IF NO FUEL IS DELIVERED.

THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH SAYS MORE THAN 2000 CHILDREN HAVE BEEN KILLED.

WE CANNOT INDEPENDENTLY VERIFY THOSE NUMBERS.

ON THIS PROGRAM LAST NIGHT, THEY HAVE A TERM NOW AT THE HOSPITAL HE IS WORKING OUT, WOUNDED CHILD WITH NO SURVIVING FAMILY.

EBRAHIM IS A CNN JOURNALIST IN GAZA WE BROUGHT YOU THE STORY OF HIM FLING HIS OWN HOME WITH HIS YOUNG FAMILY WHEN ISRAEL WORN GAZANS TO LEAVE THE NORTH.

IS ANOTHER INSTALLMENT OF HIS DIARY AS HE IS DESPERATELY TRYING TO ESCAPE VIA THE CLOSED ROUGH UP CROSSING POINT INTO EGYPT.

[ SPEAKING NON-ENGLISH ] >>> WE WILL CONTINUING FOLLOWING HIS ORDEAL.

>>> JORDAN IS HOME TO 40% OF THE TOTAL REGISTERED PALESTINIAN REFUGEES IN THE MIDDLE EAST, ACCORDING TO THE U.N. THAT IS SIMPLY A HUGE NUMBER, ESPECIALLY FOR A SMALL COUNTRY.

JORDAN'S QUEEN IS HERSELF A PALESTINIAN DESCENT AND SHE IS JOINING ME KNOW FOR WORLD EXCLUSIVE FROM THE CAPITAL.

WELCOME TO OUR PROGRAM.

>> THANK YOU.

>> TONIGHT ASK YOU AS AN AND ARAB, PALESTINIAN, HUMAN BEING, MOTHER, HOW YOU ARE FEELING EVER SINCE OCTOBER 7th.

>> I CANNOT BEGIN TO DESCRIBE THE DEPTH OF THE GRIEF, THE PAIN AND THE SHOCK THAT WE ARE FEELING HERE IN JORDAN, ALL OF US ARE UNITED IN THIS GRIEF REGARDLESS OF OUR ORIGIN.

WE ARE JUST -- WE CAN'T BELIEVE THE IMAGES WE ARE SEEING EVERY SINGLE DAY COMING OUT OF GAZA.

WE ARE GOING TO BED SEEING THOSE IMAGES AND WAKING UP TO THEM.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO, AS A MOM, SING PALESTINIAN MOTHERS WHO HAD TO WRITE THE NAMES OF THEIR CHILDREN ON THEIR HANDS BECAUSE THE CHANCES OF THEM BEING SHELLED TO DEATH OF THEIR BODIES TURNING INTO CORPSES ARE SO HIGH.

I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE WORLD THAT PALESTINIAN MOTHERS LOVE THEIR CHILDREN JUST AS MUCH AS ANY OTHER MOTHER IN THE WORLD AND FOR THEM TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE.

AND EQUALLY, I THINK THE PEOPLE ALL AROUND THE MIDDLE EAST, INCLUDING IN JORDAN, WE ARE JUST SHOCKED AND DISAPPOINTED BY THE WORLD'S REACTION TO THIS CATASTROPHE THAT IS UNFOLDING.

IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS WE HAVE SEEN A GLARING DOUBLE STANDARD IN THE WORLD.

ONE OCTOBER 7th HAPPENED, THE WORLD IMMEDIATELY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY STOOD BY ISRAEL AND TRY TO DEFEND ITSELF AND CONDEMNED THE ATTACK THAT HAPPENED.

BUT ONE WE SAW THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE HAVE SEEN SILENCE.

COUNTRIES HAVE STOPPED EXPRESSING CONCERN OR ACKNOWLEDGING THE CASUALTIES, BUT ALWAYS WITH THE PREFACE OF DECLARATION OF SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL.

ARE WE BEING TOLD THAT IT IS WRONG TO KILL A FAMILY, AN ENTIRE FAMILY AT GUNPOINT BUT IT'S OKAY TO SHOW THEM TO DEATH?

THERE IS A GLARING DOUBLE STANDARD HERE.

IT'S JUST SHOCKING TO THE ARAB WORLD.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN MODERN HISTORY THAT THERE IS SUCH HUMAN SUFFERING IN THE WORLD IS NOT EVEN CALLING FOR A CEASE-FIRE.

THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING AND TO MANY IN OUR REGION IT MAKES THE WESTERN WORLD COMPLICIT.

THROUGH THEIR SUPPORT AND THROUGH THE -- THE GIFT ISRAEL, TRYING TO DEFEND ITSELF, MANY OF THE ARAB WORLD IS LOOKING AT THE WESTERN WORLD IS NOT JUST TOLERATING THIS BUT AS AIDING AND ABETTING IT.

THIS IS JUST HORRENDOUS AND DEEPLY DISAPPOINTING TO ALL OF US.

>> QUEEN RANIA I'M GOING TO ASK YOU MORE ABOUT THIS AND GO DEEPER INTO THIS , INTO YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT THIS, BUT FIRST I WANT TO ASK YOU, THE ISRAELIS ARE SHOCKED TO THEIR CORE.

THE GRIEF, AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM HAS NEVER HAPPENED IN THAT WAY SINCE THE HOLOCAUST.

THEY ARE SHAKEN TO THEIR CORE, AS I SAID, AND GRIEF.

I WANT TO GET FROM YOU WHAT YOU FELT ON OCTOBER 7th.

>> OF COURSE I WAS SHOCKED AND JORDAN HAS MADE ITS POSITION VERY CLEAR.

WE CONDEMNED THE KILLING OF ANY CIVILIAN WEATHER PALESTINIAN OR ISRAELI.

THAT IS JORDAN'S ETHICAL OR MORAL POSITION AND IT IS ALSO THE POSITION OF ISLAM.

ISLAM CONDENSE CONDEMNS THE KILLING OF CIVILIANS.

MY HAS BEEN MENTIONED RECENTLY, THE PACT OF OMAR WHICH WAS ISSUED IN THE GATES OF JERUSALEM 15 CENTURIES AGO, THAT'S 1000 YEARS FOR THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS, IT ORDERS MUSLIMS NOT TO HURT A WOMAN, CHILD OR ELDERLY PERSON.

NOT TO DESTROY A TREE OR HURT A PRIEST.

SO, THIS IS WHAT WE BELIEVE ARE THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT AT TIME OF WAR, BUT THEY NEED TO APPLY TO EVERYBODY.

YES, THERE WAS A SHOCK THAT THERE IS CONDEMNATION, BUT WHY ISN'T THERE EQUAL CONDEMNATION TO WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW?

I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT, WHAT HAPPENED -- THIS CONFLICT DID NOT BEGIN OCTOBER 7th, ALTHOUGH IT IS BEING PORTRAYED AS THAT.

MOST NETWORKS ARE COVERING THE NET -- STORY, ISRAEL AT WORK FOR MANY PALESTINIANS, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BARBED WIRE, WAR HAS NEVER LEFT.

THIS IS A 75-YEAR-OLD STORY, A STORY OF OVERWHELMING DEATH AND DISPLACEMENT TO THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE.

IT IS A STORY OF AN OCCUPATION UNDER APARTHEID REGIME THAT OCCUPIES LAND, THAT DEMOLISHES HOUSES, CONFISCATES LAND, LETTER INCURSIONS, AND THE CONTEXT OF THE NUCLEAR ARMED REGIONAL SUPERPOWER THAT OCCUPIES, OPPRESSES, AND COMMITS DAILY DOCUMENTED CRIMES AGAINST PALESTINIANS IS MISSING FROM THE NARRATIVE.

FOR TOO LONG PALESTINIANS -- >> I WANT US TO A SPECIFIC QUOTIENT BECAUSE YOU ARE USING A LOT OF WORDS, WHICH CLEARLY MANY IN YOUR ARAB WORLD HAVE USED, WORDS LIKE APARTHEID AND THE REST, BUT YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE GOING TO COME UNDER A LOT OF CRITICISM FROM ISRAEL AND ITS SUPPORTERS.

I'M WONDERING WHETHER YOU ARE COMING OUT TO SPEAK.

>> LET ME EMPHASIZE, LET ME EMPHASIZE THAT APARTHEID IS A DESIGNATION THAT WAS GIVEN, NOT BY ARABS, BUT BY ISRAELI INTERNATIONAL HUMANS RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS.

>> HE WROTE IN AN INSTAGRAM STORY JUST IN THE LAST WEEK, IT IS IN SELF-DEFENSE IF YOU ARE AN OCCUPYING FORCE AND YOU SHOW THE DESTRUCTION OF GAZA.

YOU HAVE POSTED A VIDEO OF YOURSELF FROM OPPRESSOR IN 2009 AND THAT WAR SAYING, IT IS HEARTBREAKING TO SEE HOW LITTLE HAS CHANGED.

THE WORLD CANNOT REMAIN SILENT.

THIS HAS TO STOP.

DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR VOICE, AS QUEEN OF JORDAN, IN A COUNTRY THAT HAS A PEACE TREATY WITH ISRAEL TO SPEAK UP?

>> IT'S NOT ABOUT ME, IT'S ABOUT SPEAKING UP FOR HUMANITY.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT BEING PRO- ISRAELI OR PRO-PALESTINIAN, THIS IS ABOUT CHOOSING THE PEOPLE, THE EVERYDAY PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES.

EXPLAINING AGAIN, THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE HAVE FOR TOO LONG BEEN LIVING UNDER OPPRESSION AND DEHUMANIZATION.

THEY SUFFER DAILY INDIGNITIES AND HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS.

WHETHER IT BEING JAILED OR HUMILIATED OR HARASSED.

THEY DO NOT HAVE FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT.

THERE ARE OVER 500 CHECKPOINTS SCATTERED ALL OVER THE WEST BANK.

HAVE A SEPARATION WHICH IS DEEMED ILLEGAL BY THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE A HAS SEPARATED THE TERRITORIES INTO 200 DISCONNECTED ENCLAVES.

YOU SEE THE AGGRESSIVE EXPANSION OF SETTLEMENTS ON PALESTINIAN LAND AND THOSE HAVE INTERRUPTED THE TERRITORIAL -- OF THE TERRITORIES AND HAS DEEMED AN AUTONOMOUS INDEPENDENT PALESTINIAN STATE NOT VIABLE.

YOU ARE SEEING ALL OF THIS.

THIS IS THE BACKGROUND OF THIS CONFLICT.

THERE IS A HYPER FIXATION ON HAMAS BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, BUT THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT FAR PROCEEDS HAMAS AND WILL CONTINUE AFTER HAMAS TOOK THIS IS A FIGHT FOR FREEDOM AND JUSTICE AND THAT IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE HEARD.

>> CAN ASK YOU THIS, QUITE A BRAVE -- I THINK SHE IS SAUDI, A JOURNALIST ON THE SAUDI TELEVISION NETWORK -- TOOK THIS AND HAMMERED THE FORMER HEAD OF HAMAS AND SAID TO HIM, THE BUTCHERY OF WHAT EVERYBODY HAS SEEN UNDER SCREENS HAS TURNED THE WORLD AWAY FROM THE PALESTINIAN CAUSE.

JUST TO EXPAND, PEOPLE ARE SAYING HAMAS AND WHAT IT DID HAS BROUGHT THIS DOWN ON THESE POOR PEOPLE OF GAZA.

DO YOU ACCEPT THAT?

>> I BELIEVE -- I DO NOT BELIEVE AS I SAID IN THE KILLING OF CIVILIANS, BUT THIS IS A STORY OF VIOLENCE THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON NOW FOR SO LONG.

AND THIS VIOLENCE NEEDS TO BE CONDEMNED.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WE ARE SEEING TODAY AND WHAT PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT YES, UNDER THE GUISE OF THE RIGHT TO BUT THAT -- TO DEFEND ITSELF, WE ARE WITNESSING ATROCITIES.

EVERY COUNTRY HAS THE RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF ANOTHER WAR CRIMES OR COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT.

6000 PEOPLE, CIVILIANS KILLED SO FAR.

2400 CHILDREN, HOW IS THAT SELF- DEFENSE?

WE ARE SEEING BUTCHERY AT A MASS SCALE USING PRECISION WEAPONS.

SO, FOR THE PAST TWO WEEKS WE HAVE SEEN THE INDISCRIMINATE BOMBARDMENT OF GAZA.

ENTIRE FAMILIES WIPED OUT.

RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS FLATTENED TO THE GROUND.

THE TARGETING OF HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES AND MOSQUES AND MEDICAL WORKERS, JOURNALISTS, U.N. AID WORKERS, HOW IS THAT SELF-DEFENSE?

WHY IS IT THAT WHENEVER ISRAEL COMMITTED THESE ATROCITIES THIS COMES UNDER THE BANNER OF SELF- DEFENSE BUT WHEN THERE IS VIOLENCE BY PALESTINIANS, IT IS IMMEDIATELY CALLED TERRORISM?

IS THE WORD TERRORIST JUST RESERVED FOR MUSLIMS AND ARABS?

>> LET ME ANSWER.

YOUR HUSBAND KING ABDULLAH -- >> THESE ARE NOT TWO EQUAL PEOPLE IN THE CONFLICT.

ONE IS AN OCCUPIER AND ONE IS THE OCCUPIED.

ONE HAS AN MILITARY WITH THE MIGHTIEST IN THE WORLD OF THE OTHER DOESN'T HAVE MILITARY AT ALL.

THERE IS A FALSE SYMMETRY HERE THAT IS BEING DRAWN AND THERE IS ALSO, WHEN YOU SAY THE RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF, THAT DOES NOT SAY THE ENTIRE STORY.

IT DOESN'T SAY THE STORY OF THE VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAW, INTERNATIONAL HUMANITARIAN LAW, IT DOESN'T TELL YOU THE SUFFERING AND THE STORY OF OCCUPATION.

ISRAEL IS IN VIOLATION OF 30 U.N. SECURITY RESOLUTIONS THAT REQUIRE ITS, AND IT ALONE, TO ACT, TO WITHDRAW FROM TERRITORIES OCCUPIED IN 1967, TO STOP THE SETTLEMENT, THE SEPARATION, HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS.

THIS IS AT THE CRUX OF THIS ISSUE.

IT IS NOT THIS HYPER FIXATION ON HAMAS.

>> CAN I ASK YOU, YOUR HUSBAND KING ABDULLAH HAD A SUMMIT OF ARAB LEADERS AND CAIRO.

HE SAID THE MESSAGE THE ARAB WORLD IS A HEARING IS LOUD AND CLEAR.

PALESTINIAN LIVES MATTER LESS THAN IS REALLY ONCE.

OUR LIVES MATTER LESS THAN OTHER LIVES.

I KNOW YOU HAVE SAID A LOT ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

DO YOU THINK IN GENERAL, THAT IS TRUE?

EVEN WORLD LEADERS AND OTHERS -- AND YOU MEET A LOT OF THEM AND SO DOES THE KING, WHICH IS WHY HE SAID THAT.

I ASSUME.

>> WELL, LIKE I SAID, IT HAS BEEN VERY DISAPPOINTING TO SEE THE DOUBLE STANDARDS IN THE WORLD TODAY.

TO SEE THAT THE STRONG CONDEMNATION OF WHAT HAPPENED ON OCTOBER 7th, BUT VERY LITTLE ON DAMNATION OF WHAT IS HAPPENING TODAY.

WHY ISN'T THERE A CALL FOR AN IMMEDIATE CEASE-FIRE?

WE ARE SEEING STAGGERING HUMAN SUFFERING HAPPENING TODAY.

WHAT IS THE NARRATIVE ALWAYS QUEUED TOWARDS THE ISRAELI SIDE?

THE WESTERN MEDIA AND POLICYMAKERS ARE QUICK TO ADOPT THE ISRAELI NARRATIVE ONE ISRAEL ATTACKS TELECINE AND DIE , BUT ONE IS A RELEASE DIE, THEY ARE CALLED MURDERED AND AND COLD BLOOD.

AT THE MASSACRE.

EVEN WHEN ON OCTOBER 7th, WE SEE THE SITUATION DESCRIBED AS SAVAGERY, BARBARIC , BLOODTHIRSTY, COLD-BLOODED, BUT WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT TERMINOLOGY BEING DESCRIBED TODAY EVEN THOUGH THE ATROCITIES ARE OF GREATER MAGNITUDE.

I'M NOT ARGUING ACCURACY, I AM ARGUING EQUIVALENCE AND DOUBLE STANDARDS HERE.

WHEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS TOLD THAT HE HAS EVIDENCE, HE HAS SEEN EVIDENCE OF CHILDREN BEHEADED ONLY TO RETRACT BECAUSE THE IDEA SAYS THERE IS NO PROOF OF THAT.

THAT IS CONFIRMATION BIAS.

EVEN YOUR NETWORK, THE CNN WEBSITE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CONFLICT REPORTED A HEADLINE OF ALL ISRAELI CHILDREN FOUND BUTCHERED AND AN ISRAELI --.

WHEN YOU READ THROUGH THE STORY, IT HASN'T BEEN INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED.

MY QUESTION TO YOU, WOULD YOU PUBLISH SUCH A DAMNING YET UNVERIFIED CLAIM MADE BY A PALESTINIAN?

>> I JUST NEED TO STOP YOU RIGHT THERE BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN PICTURES SHOWN BY THE ISRAELIS AND OUR JOURNALISTS HAVE BEEN DOWN THERE.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT BEHEADINGS, I'M TALKING ABOUT BABIES BODIES RIDDLED WITH BULLETS AND THINGS.

BUT LET'S --.

IT IS ALSO HORRIBLE AS YOU SAY.

I WANT TO ASK YOU, WHAT JORDAN HAS SAID, YOUR HUSBAND THE KING HAS SAID, THAT THERE IS -- THERE HAS BEEN AN ATTEMPT OR SUGGESTION TO MOVE PALESTINIANS WHO ARE TRYING TO SEEK SAFETY EITHER INTO EGYPT OR JORDAN, YOUR COUNTRY.

AND THE KING HAS SAID, THIS IS A RED LINE, I THINK THE PLAN BY CERTAIN OF THE USUAL SUSPECTS TO TRY AND CREATE DE FACTO ISSUES ON THE GROUND.

NO REFUGEES IN JORDAN, NO REFUGEES IN EGYPT.

>> WELL, THE PEOPLE OF GAZA NOW ARE FACING TWO CHOICES.

EITHER THEY LEAVE OR THEY FACE DEATH OR COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT.

THEY ARE GIVEN A CHOICE BETWEEN EXPULSION OR EXTERMINATION.

BETWEEN ETHNIC LENSING AND GENOCIDE.

KNOW PEOPLE SHOULD BE GIVEN -- SHOULD HAVE TO FACE THAT KIND OF CHOICE.

WHEN MY HUSBAND WAS REFERRING, THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO MOVED AGAIN.

MOST OF THE RESIDENTS OF GAZA ARE ALREADY REFUGEES.

RIGHT NOW, AT LEAST 1 MILLION HAVE BEEN DISPLACED FROM THEIR HOMES.

WE DO NOT WANT ANOTHER MASS DISPLACEMENT OF PALESTINIANS LIKE WHAT HAPPENED IN 1948.

THAT'S WHAT MY HUSBAND MEANT ABOUT THIS BEING A RED LINE.

THE PALESTINIANS HAVE THE RIGHTS FOR THEIR LAND.

>> THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT SO- CALLED FORCIBLE TRANSFER AND NEVER BEEN ALLOWED TO COME BACK.

THERE HAVE BEEN QUITE A LOT OF PROTESTS IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY AS IN MANY OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD.

YOU HAVE EXPLAINED WHAT IS SHAPING UP AND THAT IS A VERY DIFFERENT NARRATIVE ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING DEPENDING ON WHAT PART OF THE WORLD PEOPLE COME FROM.

THERE'S A MOST DEFINITE TAKING OF SIDES.

THAT IS ABSOLUTELY GOING ON IS ILLUSTRATED.

WHAT ABOUT, THOUGH, OR ARE YOU KIND OF USED TO IT NOW AND HAVE TO MANAGE IT, THE PROTEST ON THE STREET EVEN AGAINST THE 1994 PEACE TREATY?

ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE ANGER AND THE WIDER INSTABILITY IN COUNTRIES LIKE YOURS OR AND OTHERS AROUND THE REGION?

>> YOU WOULD BE CONCERNED IF THERE IS DIVISION, BUT WE ARE ABSOLUTELY UNITED IN OUR STANCE.

WE ALL BELIEVE IN THE SAME THING.

WE ARE ALL FEELING THE SAME PAIN.

WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING.

AND SO, I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF UNITY.

THERE IS A SENSE OF, DO OUR LIVES MATTER?

WHAT IS IT WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING TO REPRESENT THE PALESTINIAN ISSUE AT THE TOP OF AN INTERVIEW, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR HUMANITY CROSS-EXAMINED.

THEY HAVE TO PRESENT THEIR MORAL CREDENTIALS.

YOU CONDEMN?

WE DON'T SEE ISRAELI OFFICIALS BEING ASKED TO CONDEMN.

WHEN THEY ARE, PEOPLE ARE READILY ACCEPTING OF IT AND READY TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN A WESTERN OFFICIAL SAME THE SENTENCE, PALESTINIANS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.

SO, WE ARE SEEING THIS.

EVEN IN WESTERN DEMOCRACIES, FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS APPARENTLY UNIVERSAL VALUE EXCEPT WHEN YOU MENTION PALESTINE.

WHEN PEOPLE GATHER IN SUPPORT OF ISRAEL, THEY ARE EXERCISING THEIR RIGHT TO ASSEMBLY.

WHEN THEY GATHER FOR PALESTINE, THEY ARE DEEMED TERRORIST SYMPATHIZERS OR ANTI-SOMATIC.

YOU ARE SEEING THESE DOUBLE STANDARDS AND IT'S CREATING A LOT OF DISILLUSIONMENT IN THE ARAB WORLD AND IN MANY WHO ARE JUST SEEING THE INJUSTICE.

I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE IS NO MILITARY SOLUTION TO THIS ISSUE.

WARS ARE NEVER WON.

THEY ARE ALWAYS LOSING ON ALL SIDES.

VICTORY IS A MYTH THAT POLITICIANS MAKE IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY IMMENSE LOSS OF LIFE.

EVEN IF ISRAEL GOES AND DEFEATS EVERY LAST -- OR KILLS EVERY LAST HAMAS MEMBER, THEN WHAT?

HAVEN'T THEY LEFT A TRAIL OF TERRIBLE MEMORIES, HORRIFIC MEMORIES THAT WILL CREATE A NEW GENERATION OF RESISTANCE THAT IS FIERCER AND MORE VIOLENT?

AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE CAN ONLY HAVE A POLITICAL RESOLUTION TO THIS.

MY HUSBAND HAS ALWAYS EMPHASIZED THAT CAN -- THERE CAN BE NO PEACE WITHOUT A POLITICAL RESOLUTION.

EVEN IF YOU ARE AN ALLY TO ISRAEL, YOU ARE DOING IT NO SERVICE BY GIVING IT A BLIND SUPPORT.

EXPEDITING AND EXPANDING THE PROVISION OF LETHAL WEAPONS TO ISRAEL IS ONLY GOING TO EXPAND THIS CONFLICT.

IT'S ONLY GOING TO PROLONG AND DEEPEN THE SUFFERING.

THERE COULD NEVER BE A RESOLUTION EXCEPT AROUND THE NEGOTIATING TABLE.

THERE IS ONLY ONE PATH TO THIS AND THAT IS A FREE SOVEREIGN AND INDEPENDENT PALESTINIAN STATE LIVING SIDE-BY-SIDE IN PEACE AND SECURITY WITH THE STATE OF ISRAEL.

THAT IS THE ONLY PATH THAT IS GOING TO GET US THERE.

>> MANY ANALYSTS ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT AND WE HOPE THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT CAN EMERGE FROM THESE ASHES AND THIS CATASTROPHE.

QUEEN RANIA, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>>> LET'S RETURN TO THOSE HOSTAGES WHO HAVE BEEN RELEASED BY HAMAS, YOKHEVED LIFSHITZ IS SPEAKING HERE ABOUT HER ORDEAL DESCRIBING IN SOME DETAIL HOW AND WHERE SHE WAS HELD IN GAZA.

>> Translator: I WENT THROUGH THAT I COULD NOT HAVE KNOWN.

I WAS KIDNAPPED ON A MOTORBIKE ON MY SIDE WHILE THEY WERE DRIVING TOWARDS GAZA.

AS WE GOT THERE, THE PEOPLE TOLD US THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN THE CAR ON AND THAT THEY WILL NOT HARM US AND THAT WE WILL GET THE SAME CONDITIONS THEY GET IN THE TUNNELS.

>> GROSHONG IS A LONGTIME POSTAGE NEGOTIATOR.

HE PLAYED A ROLE IN THE RELEASE OF ISRAELI IN 2011.

HE HAD BEEN HELD HOSTAGE BY HAMAS FOR 5 YEARS.

HE NOW SAYS HE IS IN TOUCH WITH BOTH SIDES IN AN OFFICIAL CAPACITY AND HE IS JOINING ME NOW FROM JERUSALEM.

GROSHONG, WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

I WAS STRUCK.

LET ME ASK YOU.

WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF HER COMING OUT AND TALKING ABOUT HER ORDEAL.

WHAT YOU THINK SHE SAID THAT WAS INTERESTING TO YOU AS A NEGOTIATOR AS SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO KNOW AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE OF WHAT THE EXPERIENCED.

>> I THINK WHAT SHE SAID IS A REFLECTION OF THE --.

HAMAS PAD RULES THAT THEY HELD BY HIM KEEPING THE HOSTAGES AS OPPOSED TO WHAT THEY DID IN THE CIVILIAN COMMUNITIES.

SHALL LEAD WAS KEPT IN CAPTIVITY WITH THE SAME FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE LIVING WITH HIM THROUGH THE ORDEAL THAT HE WENT THROUGH.

AND THIS IS A REFLECTION OF WHAT WE HEARD THAT SHE WAS NOT ABUSED AS EAKLY, OF COURSE IT WAS A TRAUMATIC ORDEAL FOR HER AND NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT.

I THINK THE WORD SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT ASSURING FOR THE FAMILIES OF THE 220 HOSTAGES WHO REMAIN BEHIND, BUT THERE IS STILL SIGNIFICANT REASON FOR CONCERN BECAUSE IT IS NOT AT ALL CLEAR THAT HAMAS IS HOLDING ALL THE HOSTAGES.

WE KNOW ISLAMIC JIHAD TOOK HOSTAGES AND OTHER INDIVIDUALS AND WE SAW THE BEHAVIOR THAT TOOK PLACE INSIDE THE CIVILIAN COMMUNITIES AND AT THAT MUSIC AND DANCE FESTIVAL OR A MASSACRE TOOK PLACE COMMITTED BY HAMAS.

>> SHE COMES OUT AFTER THIS AWFUL ORDEAL AND SHE IS TALKING.

SO, SHE SAID, WE WILL PLAY A COUPLE OF HER SOUND BITES.

I WANT TO PLAY THEM CONSECUTIVELY BECAUSE THEY ARE QUITE SHORT.

HERE'S HOW SHE DESCRIBES WHAT SHE SAW AND WHERE SHE WAS AND HOW SHE WAS TREATED.

>> Translator: -- >> THERE IS A HUGE NETWORK OF TUNNELS UNDERNEATH.

IT LOOKS LIKE A SPIDER WEB.

>> A DOCTOR CAME TO SEE US EVERY 2 TO 3 DAYS.

>> Translator: THE PARAMEDIC TOOK IT UPON HIMSELF AND TOOK CARE OF MEDICINES.

IF THERE WERE NOT MEDICINES, THEY WOULD BRING SUBSTITUTE MEDICINE EQUIVALENT MEDICINES.

>> SO, FIRST DESCRIBING THE SPIDERWEB, AND I WONDER IF THAT IS NEWS TO YOU OR DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT?

AND THEN OF COURSE SHE SAYS, SHE WAS TREATED WELL, AS YOU SAID, THE OTHERS WERE TOO IN YOUR EXPERIENCE.

I GUESS BECAUSE THEY ARE CURRENCY?

>> THEY ARE CERTAINLY CURRENCY.

THE SPIDERWEB OF TUNNELS HAS BEEN CALLED BY ISRAEL, THE METRO.

THE WHOLE NETWORK COMPLETELY UNDERNEATH THE GAZA STRIP AND THIS IS REFLECTIVE OF THE REALITY IN GAZA OVER THE LAST 17 YEARS THAT HAMAS HAS RULED.

THEY INVESTED A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THE UNDERGROUND TUNNELS AND BUNKERS THEY DIDN'T INVEST THE SAME AND THE WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE LIVING THERE, UNFORTUNATELY.

IF THEY DID, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE REALITY WE HAVE TODAY.

THE WIDER MESSAGE, AND THIS IS FOLLOWING UP ON THE MESSAGE OF QUEEN RANIA, IT SHOULD BE NO SURPRISE TO ANYONE THAT WE ARRIVED AT SUCH A HORRIFIC SITUATION.

IT HAS TO BE A WAKE-UP CALL FOR ISRAEL THAT YOU CANNOT KEEP ANOTHER PEOPLE OCCUPIED FOR 56 YEARS AND EXPECT PEACE.

YOU CAN'T LOCK 2 MILLION PEOPLE AND AN OPEN PRISON AND EXPECT HER TO BE QUIET AND FOR THE PALESTINIANS, IT SHOULD BE A WAKE-UP CALL THAT IF YOU SUPPORT RADICAL PHONETIC LEADERS AND REFUSE TO RECOGNIZE THE OTHER PEOPLE LIVING IN YOUR LAND AS HAVING THE SAME RIGHTS AS YOU DO, THEN YOU ARE GOING TO SUFFER THIS.

THIS IS THE MOST DRAMATIC EVENT FOR ISRAEL AND PALESTINE SINCE 1948.

THE ONLY HOPE IS ALSO IN THE WORDS OF QUEEN RANIA THAT WE HAVE A WAKE-UP MOMENT AT THE END OF THIS TRAGEDY.

FOR THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW BECAUSE TOMORROW WILL BE TOO SOON TO DRAW THESE KINDS OF CONCLUSIONS, BUT IT'S OBVIOUSLY THAT THE PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT US HERE ARE LEADERS ARE BOTH SIDES NEED TO GO.

WE NEED A NEW GENERATION WITH A NEW VISION AND I HOPE THAT THE TRAUMA DOESN'T PREVENT US FROM LOOKING FORWARD.

THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT WE WILL REMEMBER THIS.

IT WILL BECOME PART OF OUR NARRATIVE.

EACH SIDE WILL CONTINUE TO BLAME EACH OTHER FOR IT, BUT WE ISRAELIS AND PALESTINIANS NEED TO LEARN THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD AND NOT ONLY BACKWARDS.

HISTORY WILL NEVER CHANGE.

IT IS OUR FUTURE THAT WE HAVE A CHANCE OF CHANGING.

>> GERSHON BASKIN, THAT IS A VERY BRAVE TO SAY.

YOUR LEADERS WHO HAVE DECLARED WAR, YOUR LEADERS NEED TO GO AND THERE IS A LOT TO ASK THE IDEA, WHAT ABOUT THE INTELLIGENCE FAILURE?

WHAT ABOUT THE MILITARY FAILURE.

WHAT ABOUT THAT YAHOO WHO THOUGHT HE COULD MANAGE HAMAS.

YES, ALL OF THIS HAS TO BE INVESTIGATED AFTERWARD AND ACCOUNTABILITY AFTERWARD.

SO, THE AFTERWORDS IS WHEN THEY SUCCEED OR NOT AND WHAT THEY SAY .

TO DEFEAT HAMAS AS A MILITARY AND POLITICAL ENTITY.

I WANT TO ASK YOU BECAUSE YOU KNOW THEM AND YOU HAVE EVEN WRITTEN, I HAVE NO OFFICIAL AUTHORIZATION AS A NEGOTIATOR BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW, I AM THE ONLY ISRAELI CITIZEN WHO HAS CONTACTED BOTH WITH LEADERSHIP OF HAMAS AND LEADERSHIP OF ISRAEL.

THAT IN ITSELF IS AN EXTRAORDINARY THING GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF CONTACT, ADVERSE CONTACT YOU HAVE.

RIGHT NOW, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING TO THE HAMAS PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW?

ARE YOU IN TOUCH WITH THEM?

>> I HAVE HAD VERY DEEP CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM SOME VERY DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS.

I KEEP EMPHASIZING TO THEM THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY DID, THEY NOW NEED TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND THE RIGHT THING IS TO FOR THE CIVILIAN HOSTAGES, AS WAS SAID BY QUEEN RANIA AND CAME ABDULLA.

IS AGAINST THE KORAN AND ISLAM TO HELP -- HOLD WOMEN AND CHILDREN SIX PEOPLE AS HOSTAGES.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE IS A PROPOSAL BEEN DISCUSSED THAT WAS TRANSMITTED TO ISRAEL FROM HAMAS BY THE EGYPTIANS.

THE EGYPTIANS ARE ALSO INVOLVED.

THERE SEEMS TO BE A BLOCKAGE IN MOVING FORWARD WITH THE ISRAELI CEASE-FIRE IN EXCHANGE FOR THE CIVILIAN HOSTAGES ACCORDING TO THE WALL STREET JOURNAL AS REPORTED, THE ISSUE OF ENTERING AND ALONG FUEL TO ENTER GAZA IS THE BLOCKAGE.

ISRAEL DOESN'T WANT TO FUEL THE HAMAS WAR MACHINE BUT YET WE HAVE CIVILIAN HUMANITARIAN CRISIS OF UNBELIEVABLE PROPORTIONS.

THE HOSPITALS WILL STOP FUNCTIONING, STOP HAVING ELECTRICITY TO PROVIDE THE LIFESAVING CARE FOR PEOPLE AND WE NEED TO FIND A SOLUTION.

THIS IS A STUPID PROBLEM THAT IS BLOCKING A POSSIBLE RELEASE OF CIVILIANS AND A CEASE-FIRE THAT WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE IN GAZA TO FREE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN TWO WEEKS AND WE NEED TO FIND A SOLUTION.

WHY CAN'T THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS OR THE EGYPTIANS TELL ISRAEL, WE WILL ACCOMPANY THE FUEL TRUCKS INTO GAZA?

WE WILL BRING THEM TO THE HOSPITALS.

WILL ENSURE THAT HAMAS WILL NOT STILL APPEAL.

WE NEED TO SOLVE THIS STUPID PROBLEM IN ORDER TO ENABLE HOSTAGES TO BE RELEASED AND FOR A CEASE-FIRE, STOPPING THE BOMBING TO OCCUR AT LEAST FOR A PERIOD LONG ENOUGH TO HELP PEOPLE SEEK REFUGE TO STAY OVERNIGHT, TO GET FOOD AND WATER.

WE HAVE TO WAKE UP TO THE REALITY THAT TOMORROW, WE ARE STILL GOING TO BE HERE.

ISRAELIS AND PALESTINIANS, AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO LIVE TOGETHER.

WE NEED TO FIND THE HUMANITY WITHIN US, EVEN IN THIS HORRIFIC MOMENT.

>> YOU SAID A LOT OF INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THINGS JUST NOW AND IT IS REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE YOU FIND COMMON GROUND IN CERTAIN POINTS WITH QUEEN RANIA BECAUSE THE DIVISIONS HAVE BECOME SO INTENSE NOW ABOUT WHO TO SIDE WITH, WHO TO STAND WITH AND SHE TALKED ABOUT A DOUBLE STANDARD.

SO, I WANT TO ASK YOU, IT APPEARS THE ISRAELI PUBLIC OPINION ACCORDING TO JOURNALISTS IN ISRAEL IS SHIFTING TOWARDS NOT SO MUCH CRUSHING AS THE GOVERNMENT SAID , HAMAS IS THE FIRST PRIORITY, BUT SAVING THE HOSTAGES.

YOU THINK THAT IS THE CASE?

REMEMBER, YOU NEGOTIATED THE RELEASE OF SHALL LEAD FOR SOME 1027 PALESTINIAN PRISONERS, SOME OF WHICH, SOME OF WHO WHAT WENT BACK AND COMMITTED THE CRIMES THAT HAPPENED ON OCTOBER 7th.

IS A REALLY --.

>> FOUR OF THE LISTENERS RESPONSIBLE FOR KILLING MY WIFE'S FIRST COVERS AND -- COUSIN.

THIS IS PERSONAL.

TICKETS PERSONAL FOR ALL OF US.

I THINK WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO FOR HOSTAGES, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE DONE TO DO THAT AND I THINK THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT POSTPONING THE LAND INCURSION IS A REFLECTION OF THE ATTEMPTS TO TRY EVERY AVENUE POSSIBLE TO FOR THE CIVILIAN HOSTAGES.

LET'S FACE IT, ISRAEL HAS A MORAL RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE IT FAILED TO PROTECT THEM.

THE MOST BASIC FUNCTION, RESPONSIBILITY OF THE STATE IS TO PROTECT ITS CITIZENS AND ISRAEL FAILED TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF ISRAEL WHO LIVE ALONG THE GAZA BORDER.

THEY HAVE A MORAL RESPONSE ABILITY TO BRING THEM HOME.

YES IT HAS BEEN THE PRIMARY DIRECTIVE SINCE OCTOBER 7th OF ISRAELI SOCIETY, OF THE GOVERNMENT TO THE ARMY TO REMOVE THE ABILITY OF HAMAS TO GOVERNING GAZA AND THREATEN ISRAEL.

I THINK THAT ISRAEL IS COMMITTED TO GETTING THE JOB DONE BUT I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT, THE MORAL WEIGHT OF THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE COUNTRY TO SAVE HUMAN LIVES AND BRING THE HOSTAGES HOME IS NOW COMING TO THE FRONT AND I DON'T THINK IT WILL PUT OFF FOREVER THE INCURSION ON THE GROUND, BUT AT LEAST FOR NOW, THERE IS A SMALL WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY WITH A TICKING CLOCK THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPLOITED BY OUR FRIENDS IN THE REGION, BY THE QATARI'S AND THE EGYPTIANS AND THE RED CROSS AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO CAN HELP.

THE AMERICANS HAVE WEIGHED IN.

THERE IS A PARADE OF INTERNATIONAL LEADERS COMING IN.

PRESIDENT MACRON IS THE FIRST PERSON WHO VISITED ISRAEL AND TOOK TIME TO VISIT --.

I THINK WE NEED INTERNATIONAL HELP TO GET A CEASE-FIRE AND TO RELEASE THE CIVILIAN HOSTAGES.

>> CAN I PLAY A PIECE OF VIDEO THAT HAS CREATED A HUGE UPROAR IN ISRAEL AND THAT IS OF -- AND SHE WAS BEING TALKED TO BY THAT RED CROSS.

SHE IS THERE AND SHE TURNS AROUND AND SHE DELIVERS A HUMAN GESTURE AND A HANDSHAKE TO SOMEBODY WHO WAS HER CAPTOR.

IT IS HAMAS VIDEO THAT THEY PUT OUT.

SHE WAS LEAVING AND SAYING GOODBYE, I ASSUME.

WHAT YOU MAKE OF THAT?

WHAT YOU MAKE OF THAT GESTURE?

>> I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHO SHE IS.

SHE IS A WOMAN WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED FOR YEARS, OF DRIVING PALESTINIAN CHILDREN AND THEIR MOTHERS AND FATHERS TO HOSPITALS INSIDE OF ISRAEL FOR MEDICAL TREATMENT.

SHE HAS BEEN A MEMBER OF WOMEN WAGE PEACE, THE LARGEST PEACE MOVEMENT.

ANOTHER WOMAN VIVIAN SILVER FROM -- WAS ABDUCTED AND IS HELD HOSTAGE IN GAZA.

SHE WAS ONE OF THE FOUNDERS AND LEADERS OF WOMEN WAGE PEACE.

I ASSUME SHE SPEAKS SOME ARABIC AND TRY TO COME AND GET WITH HER CAPTOR'S.

I IMAGINE IF I WAS BEING HELD IN GAZA I WOULD MAKE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO BEFRIEND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HOLDING ME BECAUSE MY LIFE IS AT STAKE.

I THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT HER HUSBAND IS STILL BEING HELD HOSTAGE IN GAZA AND HAD SHE COME OUT AND IMMEDIATELY DONE SOMETHING COMPLETELY OPPOSITE, MAYBE IT WOULD ENDANGER THE LIFE OF HER HUSBAND.

ON THE KIT WAS THOSE GESTURES THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO SHOW.

I KNOW A FRIEND WHO DID RESEARCH ON HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS AND ASKED THE QUESTION, WHY DO SOME HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS BECOME THE PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY ANTI-ARAB AND OTHERS ARE IN THE PEACE CAMP ?

WHAT SHE FOUND IS THAT THERE WAS A MOMENT WHEN THEY WERE GOING THROUGH THE HORRENDOUS SUFFERING DURING THE HOLOCAUST THAT SOMEONE MADE A HUMAN GESTURE, SOMEONE GAVE THEM A PIECE OF BREAD OR GAVE THEM A NIGHTS STAY IN A HOME OR GAVE THEM A BLANKET AND THOSE GESTURES OF HUMANITY WERE TRANSFORMING THEIR WORLDVIEW LATER AND ENABLED THEM TO SUPPORT PEACE.

>> YOU HAVE SUCH INCREDIBLE FIRSTHAND IMPORTANT EXPERIENCE AND YOUR PERSPECTIVE HAS BEEN INVALUABLE TONIGHT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> PRESIDENT BIDEN SET IS NOT TIME FOR A CEASE-FIRE FOR SPARKING ANGER NOT ONLY AMONGST LIBERAL DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS BUT ALSO YOUNG MUSLIM AND ARAB- AMERICAN VOTERS.

BOATS FROM THESE COMMUNITIES IN THE SWING STATE OF MICHIGAN WERE INSTRUMENTAL TO BIDENS 2020 PRESIDENTIAL WIN.

SENIOR DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST SHAHEED TELLS -- THAT IS AT RISK FOR 2024 AS THIS NEW WAR IGNITES POLITICS AND PASSIONS.

>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

WE HAVE SEEN PROTESTS IN DIFFERENT CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY.

EVEN SOMEONE IN THE CAPITAL.

THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WERE SITTING IN THE CAPITAL BUILDING CALLING FOR A CEASE- FIRE.

TELL ME WHAT ARE THE ORGANIZATIONS TRYING TO RAISE AWARENESS OF AND ACCOMPLISH >> IT'S A MULTI-FAITH MULTIRACIAL COALITION MADE UP OF PEOPLE OF ALL BACKGROUNDS WE ARE ANTIWAR AND PEACE COALITION.

ISRAELIS AND PALESTINIANS DESERVE PEACE AND WE WANT TO SEE AN END TO THE VIOLENCE.

WE BELIEVE MORE BOMBS AND BLOODSHED WILL LEAD TO MORE BOMBS AND BLOODSHED.

WE ARE CALLING ON PRESIDENT BIDEN AND CONGRESS TO PUSH FOR A CEASE-FIRE AND HOLD OUR ALLY IN ISRAEL ACCOUNTABLE FOR ATROCITIES THAT THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT HAS COMMITTED AGAINST PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS AND ALSO CALL ON HAMAS TO RELEASE THE IS REALLY HOSTAGE.

PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS HAD LEADERSHIP TO RESOLVE SOME OF THE WORST ARMED CONFLICTS AND WORST OCCUPATIONS IN OUR WORLD HISTORY.

HE USED DIPLOMATIC LEVERAGE AND POLITICAL PRESSURE ON OUR ALLIES IN SOUTH AFRICA AND IN ENGLAND AND IRELAND TO BRING THE PARTIES TOGETHER, PUT IT END TO THE VIOLENCE AND ADDRESS THE POLITICAL GRIEVANCES OF THE PARTIES INVOLVED.

THAT IS THE SAME METHOD HE SHOULD BE USING TODAY RATHER THAN ALLYING WITH THE FAR RIGHT REGIME IN ISRAEL THAT HAS HELD BENT ON VENGEANCE AND ETHNIC LENSING OF PALESTINIANS.

>> WHAT IS THE RESPONSE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE?

>> THE RESPONSE HAS BEEN DISAPPOINTING.

WE HAVE A PRESIDENT IN HIS ADDRESS WHO IS GREEN LIGHTING NETANYAHU ATTACKS AGAINST PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS.

THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT IS LED BY A FAR RIGHT COALITION THAT HOLDS PALESTINIANS COLLECTIVELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ATROCITIES COMMITTED BY HAMAS.

I JUST DON'T SEE A PLAN FROM THIS WHITE HOUSE.

THIS WHITE HOUSE IS ACTING AS IF WE ARE IN A WORLD FROM 10 OR 15 YEARS AGO IN WHICH ARAB-AMERICANS AND MUSLIM AMERICANS AND YOUNG PEOPLE ARE JUST GOING TO SIT BACK AND SUPPORT A PRESIDENT AND PARTY THAT GREEN LIGHTS SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES THAT GAZA SHOULD BE BURNED TO THE GROUND, WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE IN A TWO STATE SOLUTION, WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT PALESTINIANS ARE EQUAL IN THE EYES OF THE GOVERNMENT AS ISRAELIS.

WE ARE SEVERELY DISAPPOINTED FROM THE RESPONSE OF THE WHITE HOUSE AND WE WILL KEEP PUSHING TO GET MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TO CALL ON PRESIDENT BIDEN TO PUSH FOR PEACE AND NOT WAR.

>> THERE WERE SEVERAL PROGRESSIVE AND FOR THE LEFT GROUPS.

WITHIN HOURS OF THE ATTACK ON HAMAS, THEY WERE PUBLICIZING EFFORTS AND MARCHES AND PROTESTS IN SUPPORT OF PALESTINE WITHOUT ANY MENTION OF THE CIVILIAN LOSS AND LIFE IN ISRAEL.

WERE YOU CONCERNED WHEN HE SAW THOSE STATEMENTS?

WERE THEIR EFFORTS TO TRY TO PUSH BACK AND SAY, WE CAN'T BE THIS WAY?

>> SOME OF THESE FRINGE RALLIES AND ACTIVIST GROUPS ABOUT CONDONING HAMAS OR THINKING HAMAS IS LEGITIMATE RESISTANCE ARE ABSOLUTELY HORRENDOUS.

THE THING I WILL SAY IS, THERE IS NOT A SINGLE MEMBER OF CONGRESS OR ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL IN GOVERNMENT WHO STANDS BY ANY OF THOSE THINGS, ANY OF THOSE ACTIVISTS SAID IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF DAYS OF THIS RALLY.

YOU CAN'T FIND A SINGLE MEMBER OF CONGRESS WHO DOESN'T MOURN THE LIVES OF ISRAELI CIVILIANS, BUT YOU CAN FIND HUNDREDS OF MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO HAVE SAID NOTHING ABOUT THE LOSS OF PALESTINIAN CASUALTIES AS TELECINE AND CIVILIANS.

THE FAIRNESS AND THE BIAS THAT OUR GOVERNMENT HAS TOWARD TREATING ISRAELI LIVES AS IF THEY ARE MORE VALUABLE AND MORE PRECIOUS THAN TELECINE AND LIVES, TO ME IS UTTERLY DISGRACEFUL AS A DEMOCRAT AND AMERICAN.

WE CONDEMN ALL THE PROGRESSIVE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO HAS SAID ANYTHING SUPPORTIVE OF HAMAS IN THE PAST FEW DAYS.

YOU CAN'T FIND A STATEMENT.

LINDSEY GRAHAM HAS SAID WE SHOULD BURN -- WE ARE IN A RELIGIOUS WAR AND WE SHOULD TEAR THE PLACE APART.

MAX MILLER SAID WE SHOULD TURN GAZA INTO A PARKING LOT.

FAR RIGHT ISRAELI OFFICIALS HAVE SAID THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PALESTINIAN.

FOREIGN OFFICIALS IN THE GOVERNMENT.

WE HAVE DEHUMANIZING GENOCIDAL RHETORIC.

PEOPLE WITH POWER.

THESE AREN'T 19-YEAR-OLD COLLEGE STUDENTS.

THESE ARE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS WHO HAVE ACCESS TO FUNDING , BOMBS , TO THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK A LOT OF PROGRESSIVES AND ACTIVIST ARE FRUSTRATED.

WERE HELD TO ACCOUNT FOR DUMB THINGS -- HEARTFELT THINGS AT RALLIES BUT NONE OF THESE POLITICIANS WITH ACTUAL POWER ARE BEING HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THINGS THEY ARE SAYING ABOUT PALESTINIANS.

>> DO THINK WHEN IT COMES TO ACTIVISTS ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES, THE PRESSURE FROM, FOR EXAMPLE MORE PROGRESSIVE GROUPS ON THE SHORTCOMINGS OF THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION ARE GOING TO LEAD MORE MUSLIM AMERICANS TO SIT OUT THE ELECTION CYCLE AND THE ALTERNATIVE IS A PRESIDENT OR FORMER PRESIDENT PERHAPS FUTURE PRESIDENT WHO WANTS TO EXPAND MUSLIM BAN IN?

>> YEAH, IN THE FRIDAY RALLY, WHICH WAS A FRIDAY PRAYER SERVICE ON THE WASHINGTON MALL WE TALKED TO DOZENS OF MUSLIM AND ARAB-AMERICANS, MANY WHO ARE LIFELONG DEMOCRATS AND VOTED DEMOCRAT AND VOTED FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN.

NEARLY ALL OF THEM SAID THEY CANNOT BRING THEMSELVES FROM AN ETHICAL AND MORAL STANDPOINT TO VOTE FOR A PRESIDENT WHO SUPPORTS A FAR RIGHT LEADER IN ISRAEL, WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE PALESTINIANS ARE HUMAN BEINGS, DOESN'T BELIEVE THEY SHOULD BE TREATED AS ISRAELIS AND THAT REALLY SCARES ME.

I DON'T THINK ANY OF THESE VOTERS ARE GOING TO PUT FOR TRUMP AND THEY ARE GOING TO SIT OUT THE ELECTION JUST LIKE MANY PEOPLE SET OUT 2016.

I THINK THEY ARE ALSO GOING TO POTENTIALLY VOTE FOR A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE.

THERE IS A LOT OF DAYLIGHT BETWEEN PRESIDENT BIDEN AND CORNELL WEST.

IF GEORGIA WINS ONE OR 2%, YOU COULD SAY THAT STATE BELONGS TO TRUMP.

I DON'T SUPPORT THAT.

I DON'T WANT HIM IN THE WHITE HOUSE BUT THAT IS THE FEELING I AM SING COME AS A DEMOCRAT, AS SOMEONE WHO SUPPORTS THE PARTY AND A MEMBER OF THE PARTY THAT IS A TREND I AM SING.

LIFELONG DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING THEY DON'T THINK THE PARTY SEES THEM AS HUMAN BEINGS.

AND SO , I REALLY URGE, I REALLY URGE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND DEMOCRATIC ADVISER AROUND HIM TO TAKE SERIOUSLY THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN WIN MICHIGAN IN A STATEWIDE ELECTION IS BY HOLDING ONTO THE ARAB AND MUSLIM AMERICAN VOTE AND THAT IS ALSO TRUE IN GEORGIA.

PEOPLE ARE NOT SEEING THEMSELVES BEING TREATED WITH HUMANITY.

BECAUSE OF PEOPLE WITH NAMES LIKE THERE IS, FACES LIKE THERE'S AND GAZA ARE BEING BOMBED INDISCRIMINATELY THROUGH BOMBS THAT ARE BEING FUNDED BY THIS PRESIDENT.

>> HE MADE AN ADDRESS TO THE NATION WHERE HE SAYS, THE U.S. REMAINS EMITTED TO THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO DIGNITY AND TO SELF- DETERMINATION AND THAT HE IS HEARTBROKEN BY THE TRAGIC LOSS OF PALESTINIAN LIFE.

HE DID NEGOTIATE THE FIRST SHIPMENTS OF AID TO GET INTO GAZA.

HE ANNOUNCED THAT THE U.S. IS PROVIDING ABOUT $100 MILLION IN HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE.

IS THIS NOT WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT THE PRESIDENT TO DO?

>> I AM SURE THE PEOPLE IN GAZA ARE THANKFUL FOR THE BANDAGES AND HUMANITARIAN AID THEY ARE BEING PROVIDED IN PART BECAUSE A PRESIDENT BIDEN.

I THINK WHAT THEY WANT MOST IS FOR THE BOMBS TO STOP DROPPING ON THEM SO THAT BANDAGES AREN'T NECESSARY.

THIS CONFLICT IS ESCALATING.

PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS NO PLAN TO DE-ESCALATE THE SITUATION.

IRAN HAS THREATENED TO GET INVOLVED.

WE ARE MOVING TOWARD A SITUATION THAT IS GOING TO GET INTO ANOTHER ESCALATED MIDDLE EASTERN CONFLICT THAT AMERICANS DO NOT SUPPORT.

IN RESPONSE TO RUSSIA'S BRITTLE INVASION OF UKRAINE, U.S. WORK TO GET COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD TO JOIN THE U.S. AND THAT YOU TO SANCTION RUSSIA BUT MANY COUNTRIES IN THE GLOBAL SOUTH REFUSE FEELING THAT THEY U.S. AND EU HAVE SELF INTEREST AND HAS IGNORED AND EXACERBATED SEVERAL ATROCITIES AROUND THE WORLD THAT ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT RUSSIA HAS COMMITTED AGAINST UKRAINE.

THE WEST SAID THEY WERE DEFENDING THE RULES-BASED INTERNATIONAL ORDER BUT MANY COUNTRIES IN THE GLOBAL SOUTH FELT U.S. AND EUROPE FOR PURSUING THEIR OWN SELF- INTEREST.

WHEN THE U.S.

PROVIDES $14 BILLION OF UNCONDITIONAL MILITARY AID TO A FAR RIGHT GOVERNMENT ISRAEL THAT DOES NOT BELIEVE IN A TWO STATE SOLUTION, THEY OPENLY DECLARE THEIR INTENT TO COMMIT WAR CRIMES.

HOW IS THAT A RULES-BASED INTERNATIONAL ORDER?

BASICALLY THE WAY IT FEELS TOO MUCH OF THE GLOBAL SOUTH IS THAT THE U.S.

STANDS FOR PEACE AND HUMAN RIGHTS WHEN IT SUITS OUR INTEREST BUT THEN TURNS A BLIND EYE WHEN OUR ALLY DOES THE EXACT SAME.

I THINK FROM AN INTERNATIONAL PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T THINK EVERYTHING HE HAS TRIED TO DO TO RESET THE CLOCK WHEN IT COMES TO THE HORRIBLE THINGS TRUMPETED TO RUIN AMERICA'S IMAGE ABROAD, THIS CONFLICT IS GOING TO DO THE EXACT SAME THING THAT ALL THE THINGS THAT TRUMPETED TO MAKE AMERICA'S IMAGE POURABLE IN THE EYES OF THE WORLD, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHERE IT FEELS LIKE THE U.S.

STANDS WITH PEACE WHAT IT SUITS OUR INTEREST ONLY AND NOT ONE -- WHEN IT INVOLVES ANOTHER SITUATION.

>> WE HAD AN OFFICIAL LAST WEEK RESIGN OVER OUR SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL.

WE HAD 411 MEMBERS OF THE CAPITOL HILL STAFF VOTE JEWISH AND MUSLIM SENT A LETTER BASICALLY DEMANDING IMMEDIATE CEASE-FIRE IN GAZA.

DO YOU THINK, DO YOU HEAR FROM --.

ARE THESE ACTIONS EFFECTIVE?

>> I THINK THEY ARE VERY EFFECTIVE.

IF YOU ARE A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL, YOU ARE THE MAIN REASON WHY PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS EVEN SAID A WORD TO NETANYAHU TO DEMAND HUMANITARIAN AID.

PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE, THE STAFFERS, THE ONES SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH IS THE MAIN REASON WE ARE MOVING THIS FORWARD.

I WILL SAY, I AM VERY CONCERNED THAT MY DEMOCRATIC PARTY LEADERSHIP HAS ITS HEAD IN THE SAND WHEN IT COMES TO THE 2024 ELECTION.

THE PATH TO THE WHITE HOUSE RUNS THROUGH MICHIGAN AND MICHIGAN RUNS THROUGH DEARBORN AND DETROIT, WHICH ARE THE LARGEST ARAB-AMERICAN AND MUSLIM AMERICAN CITIES IN THE COUNTRY.

ON FRIDAY DEBBIE WHO IS NOT A LEFTIST, WHO IS NOT A MAJOR PROGRESSIVE SAID SHE IS REPRESENTING THAT COMMUNITY FOR YEARS.

SHE SAYS SHE IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE 2024 ELECTION.

THAT'S HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO DEFEAT TRUMP AS A MUSLIM AMERICAN.

THE BLANK CHIP -- CHECK OUR PRESIDENT IS PROVIDING, YOUNG PEOPLE OPPOSE IT MUSLIM AMERICANS OPPOSE A.

WHEN THERE WAS LOW DEMOCRATIC SHOP FOR HILLARY CLINTON, I AM SEEING THAT THERE WILL BE LOW DEMOCRATIC TURNOUT FOR JOE BIDEN IN 2024 IN THE SAME STATE THAT HILLARY LOST PICS FROM IS THERE A GENERATIONAL GAP HERE?

IT SEEMS PRESIDENT BIDEN IS FROM A DIFFERENT ERA OF POLITICS WHERE THE ACTIONS THAT HE IS TAKING, THE APPROACHES THAT HE IS TAKING ARE PROBABLY CONSISTENT WITH THE WAY THE CONGRESS FUNCTIONED, THE WAY THAT GOVERNMENTS FUNCTIONED WITH EACH OTHER FOR THE MAJORITY OF HIS LIFE.

YOU SEE A DIFFERENT GENERATION OF NOT JUST POLITICIANS, BUT THE ELECTORATE WHO HAVE A DIFFERENT SET OF EXPECTATIONS LIKE THE ONES YOU ARE ARTICULATING.

>> I THINK THAT'S A BIG PART OF IT.

IT'S ALSO A PRE-9/11 THING WHEN IT CAME TO RONALD REAGAN.

PEOPLE FORGET THIS BUT RONALD REAGAN, PRESIDENT GEORGE HW BUSH, BILL CLINTON HELD THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT WAY MORE ACCOUNTABLE THAT ANYONE.

THERE HAS BEEN THE SPHERE OF A CULTURE OF ISLAMOPHOBIA THAT HAS PERVADED SINCE 9/11 WHERE WE CANNOT TREAT THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE AND THEIR AUTHORITIES WITH EQUAL FOOTING AS THE ISRAELIS.

ON THE VOTER LEVEL, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY A GENERATIONAL THING AS THIS MILLENNIAL GENERATION WHO OPPOSED THE IRAQ WAR COMES TO POLITICAL AGE, VOTING AGE, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS 15 YEARS AGO AND I THINK RESIDENT BIDEN, HIS CHIEF OF STAFF, ADVISES AROUND HIM ARE THINKING ABOUT THIS DEMOCRATIC PARTY AS IF IT WAS FROM 15 YEARS AGO.

ARAB AND MUSLIM AMERICANS ARE POLITICALLY ENGAGED.

WE DIDN'T HAVE RASHIDA OR ILHAN OMAR.

HAVING THOSE POLITICAL REPRESENTATIVES, HAVING THAT VOICE MAKES MORE PEOPLE MORE COURAGEOUS TO STEP OUT, MORE COURAGEOUS TO PROTEST FOR REMEMBER AFTER 9/11, SO MANY MUSLIM FAMILIES, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE EXPERIENCING HATE CRIMES OR BIGOTRY WERE AFRAID TO SPEAK OUT, AFRAID TO PROTEST, RALLY BECAUSE OF THE CHILLING CULTURE, BECAUSE OF THE PATRIOT ACT.

NIGHT HAVE A NEW GENERATION, MANY OF WHOM WERE BORN IN THIS COUNTRY WHO ARE INSPIRED BY THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT, INSPIRED BY THE BLACK LIVES MATTER MOVEMENT AND ARE SAYING NO I AM AN AMERICAN.

I DESERVE MY VOICE TO BE HEARD AND I AM GOING TO PROTEST MY GOVERNMENT AND I'M NOT GOING TO BE AFRAID.

I THINK THAT IS THE REASON YOU ARE SEEING SO MANY PEOPLE, THOUSANDS OF JEWISH PEOPLE, THOUSANDS OF ARABS, THOUSANDS OF YOUNG PEOPLE OPPOSE THIS.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF VOTERS UNDER 45 DO NOT SUPPORT SENDING ISRAEL MORE WEAPONS WITHOUT ANY STRINGS ATTACHED TO ADDRESS THE POLITICAL VIEWS.

IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, YOU CAN SAY GOODBYE TO MICHIGAN.

>> YOU HAD 13 DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS OF CONGRESS INTRODUCED A RESOLUTION TO CALL FOR A CEASE-FIRE WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS ALLOWED TO GET TO A FULL VOTE, HOW DOES THIS RIFT END UP MANIFESTING?

>> I THINK THIS'LL BE A DEEP RIFT GOING FORWARD BUT MAYBE PEOPLE HAVE REACHED OUT SAYING, A YEAR FROM NOW WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS.

PEOPLE WILL REMEMBER THAT THIS PRESIDENT TOOK FIVE DAYS TO CALL THE FAMILY.

WILL REMEMBER THAT THE CAPITAL, THE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS HELD A BIPARTISAN INDIVIDUAL FOR ISRAEL A CIVILIAN MORNING ONLY ISRAELI CIVILIAN DEATHS AND NOT PALESTINIAN DEATHS.

THIS COMES BACK TO THE FUNDAMENTAL POINT, ARE PALESTINIAN LIVES EQUAL TO ISRAELI LIVES IN THE EYES OF OUR GOVERNMENT?

UNTIL THAT PATIENT IS ADDRESSED , YOU WILL CONTINUE TO SEE THIS ON THE ELECTED LEVEL, STAFF LEVEL, AND VOTER LEVEL.

MORRELL, AS YOU HAVE SEEN RESIGNATIONS AND LETTERS ACROSS GOVERNMENT BODIES IN THIS COUNTRY, MORRELL IS INCREDIBLY LOW.

IF YOU WORKING GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW.

THAT WILL CONTINUE TO DEEPEN UNLESS PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY ARE TREATED WITH EQUAL RESPECT, EQUAL HUMANITY AS JEWISH AMERICANS, JEWISH ISRAELIS, WHO ALSO DESERVE DIGNITY, RESPECT AND HUMANITY.

I HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE IN MY LIFE WHO OUR DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST, PROGRESSIVE STRATEGIST GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS WHO FEEL SICK TO THEIR >>> SHOWING UP TO WORK BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING SILENCE, NOT BEING TREATED EQUALLY.

THEY ARE BEING KICKED OUT OF ROOMS.

THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ATTEND MEETINGS.

BECAUSE THEY ARE MUSLIMS OR ARABS THEY CAN'T SEE THIS CORRECTLY AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT I MEAN.

15 YEARS AGO WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS LEVEL OF MUSLIM AMERICAN OR ARAB AMERICANS IN GOVERNMENT OFFICES AS MUCH AS WE DO KNOW.

I JUST THINK THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS FUNDAMENTALLY SHIFTED.

I DON'T THINK RESIDENT BIDEN IS THINKING ABOUT THE PARTY AS HE SHOULD BE.

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