♪ CRYSTAL: HELLO EVERYBODY.

I'’M CRYSTAL HAYNES.

TONIGHT, THE RELATED POST TO LEGALIZE MEDICAL DIAGNOSTIC USE IT.

ADVOCATES IN BOTH SIDES TRAINING TO DEBATE.

PLUS, GBH NEWS'’S KIRK CARAPEZZA'’S NEW PODCAST "COLLEGE UNCOVERED," WHICH LOOKS AS A YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT AMERICAN HIGHER EDUCATION AND A LOOK AT THE WORLD OF ADAPTIVE FASHION AND A DISABLED DESIGNER WHO JUST DEBUTED HER WORK AT NEW YORK FASHION WEEK.

♪ SHOULD DOCTORS IN MASSACHUSETTS THE ALLOWED TO HELP TERMINALLY ILL PATIENTS END THEIR OWN DIRECT ON THEIR OWN TERMS?

THAT'’S WHAT LAWMAKERS ARE CONSIDERING IN THE LATEST PUSH FOR MEDICAL AID IN DYING MAKES ITS NUCLEAR STATUS.

THE BILL KNOWN AS THE END OF LIFE OPTIONS ACT WOULD ALLOW ADULTS TO MENTOR LAST TO GET A -- SIX MONTHS OR LESS TO LIVE TO GET A PRESCRIPTION FOR MEDICATION.

THE BILL NEVER MADE IT TO A FULL VOTE.

LAST YEAR THE STATE SUPREME JUDICIAL COURT RULED THAT AID IN DYING IS NOT CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTED AS A PERMITTED THIS YEAR.

BACKING GOVERNOR INVOKE A HERO BEFORE THE LEGISLATIVE DRINK CUP LIGA NEWSFAK.

I ENJOYED TONIGHT I WANT OF THE SUPPORTERS TESTIFIED, DR. KLIGLER, A RETIRED PHYSICIAN WHO HAS ADVANCED PROSTATE CANCER, AND ONE OF THE OPPONENTS OF THE BILL, JOHN KELLY, DIRECTOR OF SECOND THOUGHTS MASSACHUSETTS.

THANK YOU TO BOTH OF YOU FOR JOINING ME TONIGHT.

GUEST: HAPPY TO BE HERE.

CRYSTAL: DR. KLIGLER, AS WE READ, YOU HAVE ADVANCED PROSTATE CANCER.

TALK TO ME ABOUT MY THIS IS SUCH A PASSION AND INITIATED A HEARING.

DR. KLIGLER: OK. WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, THIS BENTLEYS, ALEX CORA, ABOUT PAIN AND SUFFERING AND EMPOWERING PEOPLE GIVING THEM OPTIONS.

THERE HAS BEEN POLL AFTER POLL SHOWING DEMOGRAPHIC SUPPORT, OLD OR YOUNG AGE, CONSERVATIVE OR LIBERAL, COLOR, WEIGHT, YOUNGER OR OLDER, AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES WHO SUPPORT THIS BY AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY.

AND YOU CAN CLICK CANCEL.

TODAY IN AGONY.

I WATCHED MY MOTHER HAVE AN AGONIZING DEATH OVER 30 YEARS AGO, WHEN I STARTED TO BECOME A SUPPORTIVE MEDICAL AID IN DYING.

THERE HAS BEEN 25 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN OREGON, AND THAT EXPERIENCE SHOWS US THAT THERE IS NO PROBLEM.

DISABILITY RATES -- DISABILITY RIGHTS OREGON SAYS THEY HAVEN'’T RECEIVED COMPLAINTS, TO GAIN KNOWLEDGE, THAT A PERSON WITH DISABILITIES WAS COERCED TO MEET IS ON THE ACT THAT HAS NEVER BEEN A CIVIL CASE ON ABUSE OR COERCION OR CRIMINAL OR DISCIPLINARY CHARGES OVER THE PAST 25 YEARS THAT THIS HAS BEEN PERMITTED IN 22% OF THE COUNTRY.

CRYSTAL: LET'’S TALK A BIT ABOUT THAT FOR FOLKS WHO MIGHT NOT BE AS READ UP AS LITTLE YARD.

MR.

CATERING, ONE OF YOUR ARGUMENTS IS THAT SHOULD HAPPEN IN MASSACHUSETTS, IT WOULD LEAD TO OF FOLKS IN THE DISABILITIES COMMUNITY.

THAT WAS SOMETHING ABOUT UP IN THIS HUMAN AS WELL, MR. KENNEDY.

JOHN: RIGHT.

WE FACE COERCION FROM DR. OZ.

DOCTORS WRITE -- BUECKERSDOCTORS RATE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AS WORDS.

WE ARE ESPECIALLY SUSCEPTIBLE TO BEING -- FEELING THE CONVERSION.

IF WE LOOK AT THE END OF MY ARE ARGUMENT, WE CONCEDE AND DO NOT IN GENERAL AND THEY TOOK PAIN, BUT LIFE CIRCUMSTANCES SUCH AS PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY HAVE LOST AUTONOMY.

THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE LEFT IT WITH YOU BECAUSE NOW THEY ARE RELIANT ON OTHER PEOPLE.

PEOPLE LIKE BABIES COMMITTEE BECAUSE -- WHEN PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY LOSE DIGNITY BECAUSE THEY ARE DEPENDENT ON OTHER POLICE FOR ASSISTANCE, WE HAVE TO INSIST THAT EVERYONE IN SOCIETY HAS INHERENT AND BOLD DIGNITY, SOME OF US ARE NOT TREATED THAT WAY.

SO WE HAVE MANY OBJECTIONS.

ROGER BRAINS UP THE HIGH-LEVEL OF ORGAN THE COMMONWEALTH -- BRINGS UP THE HIGH-LEVEL OF SUPPORTING THE GOVERNMENT.

GALLUP EVERY YEAR ASKS PEOPLE IF THEY WOULD SUPPORT DOCTORS BEING ABLE TO END A PATIENT'’S LIFE BY PAYING THIS MEANS IF THEY OR THEIR FAMILY SUPPORTED.

74%, AND THAT IS FOR EUTHANASIA, AND THAT IS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NON-TERMINAL.

SO PEOPLE ARE COMPASSIONATE.

BY THE ARE ALSO ABLEIST.

-- BUT THEY ARE ALSO ABLEIST.

MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT LIVING WITH A SIGNIFICANT DISABILITY IS SO DELETERIOUS THAT THAT MIGHT BE BETTER.

AND WE'’RE TO SAY THAT THE STATE SHOULDN'’T BE MAKING DISTINCTIONS LED.

CRYSTAL: ROGER, PLEASE THINK THAT'’S WHAT FOLKS BELIEVE?

DR. KLIGLER: JOHN CONFLATES A NUMBER OF THINGS.

FIRST OF ALL, LET'’S LOOK AT HIS STATEMENT THAT HE HAS MADE OVER AGAIN ABOUT THIS IS NOT ABOUT PAIN AND SUFFERING.

JOHN HAS ALSO SAID IN THE PAST WHEN ASKED ABOUT MEDICAL QUESTIONS, THAT HE IS NOT A DOCTOR.

I AM A DOCTOR.

I HAVE BEEN AT THE BEDSIDE OF MANY, MANY, MANY PEOPLE AT THE END OF LIFE.

IT'’S ALL ABOUT PAIN AND SUFFERING.

I HAVE HAD PEOPLE WHO I HAVE BEEN TAKING CARE OF AS THERE HAVE FIST DOCTOR ASKED ME, IF I CAN HELP THEM TO DIE IN THIS PAIN -- IN LESS PAIN.

I HAVE GIVEN PEOPLE PALLIATIVE SEDATION, MEDICATION THAT PUTS THEM INTO IT, SO THEY CAN BURN THEN DIE IN THEIR SLEEP BECAUSE THEIR PAIN CANNOT BE CONTROLLED OTHERWISE.

26% OF PEOPLE, ACCORDING TO PUBLIC MEMBERS, DIE IN UNCONTROLLABLE PAIN.

20% OF PEOPLE DIE WITH UNCONTROLLED SHORTNESS OF BREATH.

I HAVE STATISTICS THAT COME FROM MEDICAL LITERATURE.

I ASK WHERE JOHN GETS HIS NUMBERS FROM, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE DON'’T SAY WHAT HE SAYS.

SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE BEING ASKED -- SO, WHO ARE BEING ASKED WHY SOMEONE IS GETTING MEDICAL AID IN DYING, IF YOU READ HAKUNA MATATA -- USUALLY WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE, IT IS BEING ASKED OF THE DOCTOR, NOT THE PATIENT.

IT IS ALSO BEING ASKED WHEN THE PERSON COMES IN FOR THE INITIAL CONSULTATION AS TO WHY THEY RACK MEDICAL AID IN DYING SO THE DOCTOR SAID CHECK SHEET OF MULTIPLE THINGS.

PAIN BECOMES AN ISSUE AS DISEASES ADVANCE.

SO WHAT MAY NOT BE PAINFUL AMOUNT TWO MONTHS BEFORE SOMEONE STARTS -- AND THIS TAKES A GOOD MARK TO BE ABLE TO GET THE MEDICATION ENTIRE -- TAKES A GOOD MONTH TO BE ABLE TO GET THE MEDICATION ENTIRE, IT BECOMES AN ISSUE LATER IN LIFE.

PEOPLE WHO ARE PROACTIVE GET THE MEDICINE AND THEY SAY, "I WANT TO HAVE 13 UNDER CONTROL WHEN I DIE."

STATISTICS SHOW A THIRD OF PEOPLE WHO GET A PRESCRIPTION NEVER END UP USING IT, THEY ARE JUST PROACTIVE.

THEY ARE LIKE ME.

THEY HAVE A DISEASE THAT IS EXCRUCIATINGLY PAINFUL AT THE END OF LIFE, AND THEY SAY, "I DO.

I WILL NEED TO TAKE IT.

HOPEFULLY I WILL NOT, BUT I WANT TO HAVE THAT, AND IT WILL MAKE ME FEEL BETTER ABOUT MY DYING PROCESS.

I AM NOT HAPPY I AM GETTING.

I DON'’T WANT TO DIE.

HEADING IT EARLIER THAT MEAN I AM GOING TO TAKE IT, BECAUSE I WANT TO LIVE."

CRYSTAL: JOHN, I WANT TO ASK PART OF THE WAY THIS LATEST BILL IS WRITTEN, THAT ARGUMENT IS THAT THERE ARE ABOUT OF THE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE TO PROTECT FOLKS IN THE DISABILITY COMMUNITY, TO PROTECT FOLKS AROUND ANYTHING NEFARIOUS AROUND THE DECISION THIS MEDICAL AID IN DYING.

DO YOU THINK THIS SAFEGUARD STRONG ENOUGH?

JOHN: FIRST I HAVE TO RESPOND TO ROGERS.

I FURTHER TO HIM, HE IS THE DOCTOR HERE AND I AGREE, BUT MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE EITHER IN FAVOR OF ASSISTED SUICIDE, SAY THAT IT'’S NOT ABOUT PAIN.

LUCKILY STAPLES CENTER IS ONE OF THE PIONEERS -- -- LONNIE STAPLES CENTER IS NOT THE PIONEERS OF ASSISTED SUICIDE.

HE SAID IT IS NEVER ABOUT PAIN, IT'’S ABOUT UNITY AND CONTROL.

-- DIGNITY AND CONTROL.

HE SAID, YOU COULD GO THE NEXT STEP AND SAY THAT THAT'’S WHY PEOPLE END UP CHOOSING THIS.

WE DO NOT WANT DISABLED PEOPLE TO BE PUT AT RISK FOR THIS, BECAUSE OF CONFLATION OF DISABLED PEOPLE AND PEOPLE WITH TERMINAL CONDITIONS.

AND EVERYONE WHO IS TERMINAL IS OR WILL SOON BE DISABLED.

IT WILL BE DEPENDENT ON SOMEONE ELSE -- THEY WILL BE DEPENDENT ON SOMEONE ELSE FOR PART OF THEIR DAILY LIFE.

THE SAFEGUARDS ONLY COVER SURFACE ISSUES.

IT DOES NOT PROTECT SOMEONE FROM THIS DIAGNOSIS, FOR EXAMPLE.

PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT TERMINAL ARE DYING, WHERE THIS IS LEGAL.

AND ESTIMATES ARE 12% TO 15% OF PEOPLE WHO ENTER HOSPICE, THOSE WITH A SIX-MONTH DIAGNOSIS, AND END UP SURVIVING THAT.

IN OREGON THEY HAVE REPORTED THAT ONLY 4% OF ARE STILL ALIVE AFTER SIX MONTHS.

THAT MEANS A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE LOSING THEIR LIVES WHEN THEY ARE NOT TERMINAL.

I HAPPENED TO WATCH ONE OF ROGER'’S PRESENTATION FROM TWO YEARS AGO WHERE HE WAS COUNTING HIS LUCKY STARS THAT HE WAS STILL ALIVE.

SO IT SOUNDS THAT HE HAS BEATEN HIS PROGNOSIS PIOTR: SO .

-- HIS PROGNOSIS, TOO, LIKE SO MANY PEOPLE DO.

CRYSTAL: IN THE LAST MINUTE THAT WE HAVE, I KNOW THERE IS THAT IT GOES YOUR WAY, AND JOHN, THAT HOPE IS OBVIOUSLY VERY GOES YOUR WAY.

IN RESPONSE TO THE OUTCOMES AND NUMBERS, I THE NEXT STEP IN HONOR OF THIS IS TO SEE IF THESE MEMBERS OF SUPPORT ACTUALLY BEAR OUT IN THE LEGISLATURE.

DR. KLIGLER: SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS I HAVE OUTLIVED MY PROGNOSIS, WHICH IS TRUE.

BUT I WAS NOT OFFERED MEDICAL AID IN DYING.

IF I HAD ASKED IN A STATE RATE WAS AUTHORIZED, I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET IT.

IF I HAD IT, I WOULDN'’T USE IT LIKE MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE I DON'’T WANT TO DIE.

MOST PEOPLE ON HOSPICE OVER-LIVING LIFE EXPECTANCY, LIKE MY MOTHER-IN-LAW WHO HAS A FAMILY DISEASE -- ALZHEIMER'’S DISEASE, THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO MEDICAL AID IN DYING BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT MEANT TO BE CAPABLE.

YOU HAVE TO DRILL DOWN ON THE DATA TO SEE WHAT IS TRUE.

I AGREE, WITH MEDICAL AID IN DYING, FEW PEOPLE END UP NEEDING IT.

THEY ARE NOT TAKING IT WHEN THEY ARE DYING, THEY ARE TAKING IT WHEN THEY ARE INTERNAL PAIN.

I DON'’T KNOW WHAT YOU THINK EVERYONE WANTS TO DIE, JOHN, BUT I DON'’T WANT TO DIE.

MOST PEOPLE THAT I TOOK CARE OF, ALL THE PEOPLE I TOOK CARE OF ONLY WANTED THEIR SUFFERING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.

THEY DID NOT WANT TO DIE, THEY WANTED TO LET.

CRYSTAL: GENTLEMAN NARRATOR: WE WILL HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

ANALOGOUSLY AUGUST HE HAD CONVERSATION THAT WILL THE CONTINUED ON THE STATE HOUSE THANK YOU BOTH.

JOHN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DR. KLIGLER: IT'’S A PLEASURE TO SEE YOU.

JOHN: GOOD TO SEE, PROJECT.

CRYSTAL: NET, WHAT DOES IT TAKE GET IN COLLEGE THESE THINGS?

WORKING STUDENTS TURN WITH FINANCIAL AID COVERAGE DOESN'’T COVER IT?

GBH NEWS IS DIGGING INTO THAT AND OTHER PRESSING QUESTIONS IN A NEW PODCAST "COLLEGE , UNCOVERED."

MADE IN COLLABORATION WITH THE EDUCATION NEEDS SITE, THE OCCASIONAL REPORT.

THE FIRST TWO EPISODES CAP TOMORROW, AND GBH NEWS'’S HIRE A MISSION IS NOT TO TALK ABOUT IT, KIRK CARAPEZZA.

SO MANY FOLKS ALREADY PLUGGED INTO THIS PROCESS, RIGHT?

KIRK: THIS IS SOMETHING THAT TOUCHES ON THE BUS.

MOST OF US HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF THE SCOPE CITIES OF HIGHER MISSION AS AN ENTERPRISE.

COLLEGES ARE LIKE BUSINESSES.

MOST AMERICANS.

ATTEND, THEY GRADUATED FROM AN SKATE, THEY LIVE NEAR A COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY, WE NOW HAVE 40 MILLION AMERICANS WHO HAVE SOME COLLEGE BUT NO DEGREE AND 20 MANY UNDER -- AND THEY STILL OWE MANY OTHERS THERE ARE MANY HIGHER EDUCATION PRODUCTION BUT FEEL THAT ARE CONSUMER FACING EDWARD TARPLEY WHAT THEY NEED TO KNOW -- WILL TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY NEED TO KNOW ABOUT UNIVERSITIES AND HOW THEY WORK.

CRYSTAL: WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO TAKE THAT FOCUS?

KIRK: I HAVE BEEN COVERING THIS FOR OVER A DECADE, GBH NEWS IS OVER 10 YEARS AGO, AND TO BE HONEST FROM THE SCHOOLS ARE NOT ALWAYS FORTHCOMING.

THEY WORK REALLY HARD TO HIDE HOW THEY REALLY OPERATE.

I THINK THAT CONTRIBUTES TO A LOT OF DISTRESSED, CONFUSION -- DISTRUST, CONFUSION, MONEY ANXIETY STUDENTS AND THEIR FAMILIES.

HERE IN THIS MOMENT NOW WHERE THE BIGGER STORY IS THAT I WILL AMERICANS ARE LOSING FAITH IN COLLEGE.

FEWER OF THEM ARE GOING TO COLLEGE STRAIGHT OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL.

TODAY, ALMOST HALF OF AMERICAN PARENTS SAY THEY PREFER THEIR QUOTA FOR YOUR SCHOOL.

IN ONE SURVEY, SIX IN 10 AMERICANS THINK COLLEGES ARE MOSTLY CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR BOTTOM LINES.

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HIGHER EDUCATION HAVE A COMMUNICATION PROBLEM.

THESE FAMILIES ARE WORRIED ABOUT CRUSHING DEBT, THAT WE HEAR ABOUT.

AND THESE FAMILIES ARE SHOPPING AROUND FOR A COLLEGE AND GET BASIC INFORMATION -- THEY CAN'’T GET BASIC INFORMATION ABOUT THE ACTUAL PRICE, HOW MUCH DOES COLLEGE REALLY CAUSED, AND HOW MUCH IT TAKES TO GRADUATE.

THESE ARE TACTICAL DIVE INTO.

CRYSTAL: AND ALSO PUT OUR PEOPLE THEIR DEGREES?

I KNOW YOU HAVE FOLLOWED FOLKS ON DUE DATE YEARS AGO WHICH IS REALLY AMAZING ESPECIALLY IN OUR BUSINESS IN JOURNALISM.

WE TALK ABOUT THIS AND IMPROVEMENT YOU DON'’T GO BACK TO THE START.

KIRK: RATE, JOURNALISTS ARE CRITICIZED FOR ONE-OFF STORIES.

AS A JOURNALIST, I TAKE MY MISSION SERIOUSLY.

WITH THIS PODCAST, WE TRIED NOT TO TAKE OURSELVES TOO SERIOUSLY, BUT ONE OF THE LIBERATING THINGS WITH THIS PODCAST, I WORK 32ND NEWSCAST SPOTS ARE FORMATTED FEATURES, SOMETIMES THEY LET ME DO SEVEN MINUTE STORIES, BUT EVEN IN THOSE STORIES, THERE IS TAPE THAT YOU FALL IN LOVE WITH ANYONE TO KEEP.

SO THIS ALLOWED ME TO GO BACK TO THE STORIES AND FIND THE SOURCES AND CHECK IN WITH THEM, LIKE, HOW DID IT TURN OUT?

AND I HOPE IT WILL GIVE BUSINESS SOME DEPTH AT SHOW WE ARE COMMITTED TO THE STORY, BECAUSE IT IS SO IMPORTANT THAT WE FIGURE THIS OUT.

CRYSTAL: SPEAKING OF SOME OF THE STORIES.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE A CLIP FROM ONE OF THOSE PODCASTS OF AN ECONOMIST DISCUSSES NOT GRASPING THE COST OF COLLEGE.

LET'’S TAKE A LISTEN.

>> I DID RESEARCH SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEREVER RELUCTANT FIRST-YEAR STUDENTS.

WE FOUND OUT ABOUT HALF OF THEM COULDN'’T EVEN GUESS WITHIN A REASONABLE MARGIN OF ERROR HOW MUCH THEY WERE PAYING FOR COLLEGE.

ONE-THIRD OF THEM HAD NO SENSE OF HOW MUCH THEY WERE VERY.

>> THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'’S ACCOUNTABILITY OFFICE RECENTLY FOUND THAT MORE THAN 90% OF COLLEGES UNDERSTATE WHAT IT COSTS TO ATTEND.

CRYSTAL: I FEEL LIKE IT IS GETTING THAT SORT OF INSIGHT CONVERSATION THAT REGULAR FOLKS MAY NOT HAVE ACCESS TO.

YOUR ABLE TO BREAK DOWN SOME OF THAT ISSUE'’.

WE TRY TO DO THE COMPOSITION OF WAY, OR IN YOUR EAR.

WE TRIED TO USE THE STRENGTHS OF PUBLIC MEDIA WHICH IS CHARACTER-BASED , BUT ALSO EXPLAIN THIS ALMOST IN A MONEY STYLE WAY, TAKING THIS COMPLEX IDEA, AND DISTILLING A DOWN INTO A WAY ANYONE CAN UNDERSTAND AND WE HOPE THE PODCAST APPEALS TO A BROAD AUDIENCE, PARENTS, STUDENTS, POLICYMAKERS, TAXPAYERS.

BASICALLY CITIZENS WHO ARE AFFECTED BY OR HAVE ANY INTEREST IN HIGHER EDUCATION BUT ARE NOT BEHIND-THE-SCENES.

AT IS TO BRING PEOPLE BEHIND-THE-SCENES, AND UNLOADED OUR BEST SOURCES ARE ECONOMISTS LIKE BETH AKERS, WE JUST HEARD FROM, OR FORMER EDWIN: OFFICIALS MAYBE DIDN'’T SIGN A NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT.

[LAUGHTER] THOSE ARE GREAT SOURCES.

WE HAVE AN EPISODE ABOUT MERITOCRACY GOODS IN NY, AND WHO GETS CREDIT AND WIDE.

SO FEW COLLEGE CREDITS TRANSFER FROM INSTITUTION TO INSTITUTION.

WE TRIED ASKING EACH EPISODE ONE OR TWO QUESTIONS, BUT WITHIN THAT, WE FIND THE SMALL STORIES THAT ILLUMINATE THE LARGER STORY.

CRYSTAL: WHEN FOLKS COME TO YOUR PODCAST, WHAT DO YOU HOPE THEY TAKE AWAY?

KIRK: I HOPE THEY TAKE AWAY, THAT THEY USED TO RESTATED HERE ELSEWHERE.

STORIES THAT WILL SUPPORT RAISING -- I HOPE THAT AGAIN HERE, STONE THAT THEY DO NOT HEAR ANYWHERE.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT ARE EDUCATION IN MEDIA, THAT IS NOT A TOP STORY.

WE WANT TO TELL YOU STORIES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT COLLEGE THAT YOU DON'’T ALREADY KNOW.

CRYSTAL: THIS IS TIMELY, ESPECIALLY IN THIS SEASON, BECAUSE EITHER SOMEONE HAS SOMEONE IN COLLEGE RIGHT NOW ALREADY THINKING OF APPLICATION PROCESSES IN THE SPRING, WHICH REALLY CREEP UP ON YOU.

KIRK: THE BUSINESS OF COLLEGE ADMISSIONS.

YOU WILL HEAR FROM STUDENTS, SOME OF THE COUNTRY'’S SMARTEST EXPERTS.

WE FEATURE SOME OF PRIVATE COLLEGE COACHES THAT RICH FAMILIES HIGHER TO HELP THEIR FAMILIES NAVIGATE THROUGH THE PROCESS.

[LAUGHTER] WE HAVE A LIST OF COMPANIES OFFERING THIS AS A BENEFIT TO THEIR EMPLOYEES.

WE ARE TRYING TO DIG INTO SOME OF THE RACE THAT COLLEGES MAKE -- THEY AREN'’T LYING TO YOUR US TO THEIR CONSUMERS, JUST WEAR THEM TO MAKE THAT FIRST DEPOSIT AND OFTEN THEY MISLEAD CONSUMERS ABOUT EVERYTHING FROM THE ACTUAL PRICE TO THEIR JOB PROSPECTS AFTER GRADUATION.

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CRYSTAL: I WILL DEFINITELY BE LISTENING.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

EPISODE ONE AND TWO WILL AVAILABLE TOMORROW WHEREVER YOU GET YOUR PODCAST.

FINALLY TONIGHT, KEISHA GREAVES ALWAYS KNEW SHE WANTED TO BE A FASHION DESIGNER, THAT WILL READ HER CAREER WOULD BE DERAILED WHEN SHE BEGAN EXPERIENCING THE SYMPTOMS OF MUSCULAR DYSTROPHY.

INSTEAD, THE DIFFICULTY SHE SCREAMED AS SHE DROVE BECAME THE INSPIRATION FOR HER FASHION "GROWS CHRONICALLY ROCK.

HER CLOTHING FEATURES THINGS LIKE VELCRO, FASHION DESIGN TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES TO GET DRESSED.

SHE TOLD THE 8NEWS FROM NEW YORK FASHION WEEK DEBUT.

>> I CAN'’T BELIEVE I JUST DID NEW YORK FASHION WEEK.

ANNOUNCER: SO WE HAVE AN ADAPTIVE FASHION LINE.

THE DESIGNER'’S NAME IS KEISHA GREAVES.

>> I'’M HOPING THAT THIS WILL BRING SO MUCH MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO ME.

IT'’S LIKE I FEEL IT SOMEWHERE IN MY SPIRIT AND MY BODY.

♪ I REALLY CAN'’T LIKE, PINPOINT EXACTLY OF WHEN I FELL IN LOVE WITH FASHION.

BUT I JUST ALWAYS REMEMBER JUST LOVING PUTTING DIFFERENT OUTFITS TOGETHER.

SO I ALWAYS KNEW GOING TO SCHOOL, I WANTED TO BE A BIG-TIME FASHION DESIGNER.

THEN YEAH, I HAVE PHOTOS OF LIKE, EVERYTHING ON HERE.

SOME OF THOSE LIKE, WITH THE POLKA DOT JACKET AND PANTS, I ACTUALLY MADE THOSE IN FRAMINGHAM STATE UNIVERSITY.

I WAS, YOU KNOW, LIVING MY LIFE, EARLY 20S, JUST LIKE A NORMAL 20-YEAR-OLD WOULD.

BUT I NOTICED I STARTED TO GET REALLY WEIRD SYMPTOMS WITHIN MY BODY.

I WOULD JUST BE WALKING AND MY LEG WOULD KIND OF JUST GIVE OUT ON ME.

I JUST THOUGHT, "NO BIG DEAL," BUT IT KEPT ON HAPPENING.

I REMEMBER THE PHONE CALL, DR. KATHERINE WANG CALLS ME.

SHE GOES, "KEISHA, YOU HAVE MUSCULAR DYSTROPHY.

"” I GO TO MYSELF, "MUSCULAR DYSTROPHY?

I NEVER HEARD OF IT.

NOBODY IN MY FAMILY SEEMS TO HAVE IT.

"” I SAID, "SHE HAS TO BE TALKING ABOUT A WRONG PATIENT.

"” ♪ [GENTLE MUSIC] RIGHT AFTER I HANG UP THE PHONE WITH HER, I GO STRAIGHT TO GOOGLE, LIKE MOST OF US DO.

I'’M READING THAT THERE'’S NO CURE, THERE'’S NO TREATMENT.

I WAS LIKE, "THIS CAN'’T BE ME.

"” ♪ BUT AS TIME WENT ON, IT DID START TO PROGRESS.

I NOTICED THAT THE LEGS ARE GETTING WEAKER, I FEEL LIKE I WANT TO FALL MORE OFTEN.

EVEN DRIVING WAS BECOMING DIFFICULT.

THAT WAS A SAD DAY WHEN I HAD TO GIVE UP MY TOYOTA RAV4.

AND I'’M JUST LIKE, "WOW, ALL MY INDEPENDENCE IS GONE.

"” ♪ [GENTLE MUSIC] I BECAME PERMANENTLY IN A WHEELCHAIR IN 2020, AND YOU KNOW, I'’M JUST LIKE KIND OF TAKING IT DAY BY DAY, BUT I DEFINITELY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT.

♪ [GENTLE MUSIC] IT WAS ACTUALLY A FRIEND WHO SAID, "KEISHA, WHY DON'’T YOU WRITE A BLOG?

"” AND THEN IT WAS LIKE, WHEN HE SAID IT, I KIND OF JUST OPENED UP MY LAPTOP AT THE TIME, AND THEN JUST STARTED TYPING, SAYING IT OUT LOUD, "I HAVE MUSCULAR DYSTROPHY," THAT'’S CRAZY.

IT TOOK FOR ME TO TYPE IT, AND THEN I GOT SUCH GREAT POSITIVE FEEDBACK.

PEOPLE SAYING, "OH, I KNOW SOMEONE THAT HAS MUSCULAR DYSTROPHY.

"” OTHERS SAID, "KEISHA, I JUST SAW YOU AND I WOULD'’VE NEVER KNOWN, YOU DIDN'’T SAY ANYTHING.

"” SO AT THAT MOMENT, THAT'’S WHEN I THOUGHT, "YOU KNOW WHAT?

IT'’S TIME TO PUT MY FASHION DEGREE TO USE, AS WELL."

YEAH, THIS IS MY HAPPY PLACE, GIRLS CHRONICALLY ROCK OFFICE, OR HEADQUARTERS.

OF COURSE, I HAD TO MAKE IT IN HERE, THAT REFLECTED ME, I HAD TO MAKE IT PINK.

I WAS GOING TO AQUATIC THERAPY, AND I TELL PEOPLE, IMAGINE SOMEONE LIKE MYSELF WITH A DISABILITY TRYING TO TAKE THAT BATHING SUIT OFF.

SO I'’M LIKE, THERE HAS TO BE AN EASIER WAY.

I CREATED AN ADAPTIVE SWIMWEAR COLLECTION.

SO SEE HOW I'’M JUST EASILY SNAPPING THAT OFF?

SO BOOM, ONE SIDE OFF.

PEOPLE DON'’T GET THAT IT'’S A HASSLE FOR SOMEONE, LIKE MYSELF TO GET DRESSED ON A DAILY BASIS, AND THAT'’S WITH THE HELP OF MY HOME HEALTH AIDES.

HI, HI KEISHA.

HI, HOW ARE YOU?

I HAVE A LIST OF THINGS I WANT TO CREATE FOR THE ADAPTIVE CLOTHING COLLECTION.

SO I WANT TO DO LIKE ONESIES, MORE BATHING SUITS, HOODIES, AND PANTS AS WELL.

>> OKAY, SO WHAT I WANTED TO DO TODAY IS TAKE A LOOK AT THE SILHOUETTES.

>> MY EVENTUAL GOAL IS TO HOPEFULLY GET THESE IN RETAIL CHANNELS LIKE TARGET, MACY'’S, KOHL'’S.

SO I HAVE LIKE, ALL THESE LIKE, EXCITING THINGS THAT I'’M LIKE, HOPING TO HAPPEN.

>> I WANT THIS ACID WASH, LET ME FEEL IT.

I LOVE THE WAY IT FEELS.

>> WHEN I GOT THAT EMAIL, LIKE, YOU HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED, YOU KNOW, TO PRESENT IN NEW YORK FASHION WEEK, I WAS LIKE, SO EXCITED.

AND I RESERVED THE VAN.

OH, YOU DID?

>> TODAY, AS WELL, SO I WAS LIKE, "YES!"

♪ [BRIGHT MUSIC] I'’M LIKE, OFFICIALLY LEAVING, GETTING IN THE CAR, BUCKLING UP.

I'’M FEELING EXCITED, I'’M FEELING ANXIOUS, I'’M FEELING NERVOUS, ALL OF THE ABOVE.

WE GOT MAD BAGS.

[CHATTER] >> YOU GOT MAD BAGS?

YOU READY?

>> WE'’RE JUST GOING TO HOPE FOR THE BEST.

[FRIENDS CHATTERING] [KEISHA CHEERING] ANNOUNCER: WOW!

WHAT DID YOU THINK?

WHAT DID YOU THINK?

AMAZING, HUH?

[CROWD CHEERING] ♪ [BRIGHT MUSIC] ♪ CRYSTAL: THAT IS IT FOR TONIGHT, BUT WILL BE BACK HERE TOMORROW.

THANK YOU FOR WATCHING.

I AM CRYSTAL HAYNES.

GOOD NIGHT.

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