>> BRAUDE: TONIGHT ON "GREATER BOSTON," THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT PENNSYLVANIA SENATE CANDIDATE JOHN FETTERMAN'S DEBATE PERFORMANCE TUESDAY AND THE LINGERING EFFECTS HIS STROKE IS HAVING ON HIS ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE.

SO, WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT HOW PEOPLE VIEW DISABILITIES IN POLITICS, AND IN LIFE?

AND COULD VOTER DISCOMFORT IN PENNSYLVANIA LEAD TO REPUBLICAN SENATE CONTROL IN D.C.?

PLUS, I TALK WITH NIGHTSHADE NOODLE BAR CHEF AND OWNER RACHEL MILLER ABOUT HER CREATIVE FUSIONS, HOW SHE MOVED FROM A MISSISSIPPI TRUCKSTOP TO MASSACHUSETTS ON A WHIM, AND-- OF COURSE, I HAVE TO TASTE FOR MYSELF-- WHY IT'S THE LATEST RESTAURANT TO EARN A FIVE-STAR RATING FROM THE "BOSTON GLOBE."

♪ ♪ >> BRAUDE: WHY HAS THERE BEEN SO MUCH ATTENTION OF LATE ON THE PENNSYLVANIA SENATE RACE?

FIRST, IT'S THE DEMOCRATS' BEST CHANCE OF FLIPPING A REPUBLICAN SEAT AND KEEPING THE BALANCE OF POWER IN THE SENATE.

SECOND, BECAUSE TV'S DOCTOR MEHMET OZ, FROM NEW JERSEY, IS THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE IN PENNSYLVANIA.

AND NOW MORE RECENTLY, BECAUSE OF THE INCREASING FOCUS ON DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE JOHN FETTERMAN'S STROKE FIVE MONTHS AGO, AND THE LINGERING EFFECTS.

BUT SHOULD THOSE LIMITATIONS, WHICH MOST DOCTORS SAY ARE TEMPORARY, BUT MOST AMERICANS DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND, DETERMINE AN OUTCOME?

FETTERMAN'S STRUGGLES HAVE BEEN CLEAR AT TIMES, PARTICULARLY IN THIS WEEK'S DEBATE, WHEN, AT TIMES, HE STUMBLED OVER WORDS, REPEATED PHRASES, AND PAUSED AT LENGTH.

ALL THAT CAUSED THERE TO BE LITTLE ATTENTION TO WHAT WAS ACTUALLY BEING SAID-- INCLUDING OZ'S RESPONSE ON ABORTION RIGHTS.

>> I DON'T WANT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INVOLVED WITH THAT AT ALL.

I WANT WOMEN, DOCTORS, LOCAL POLITICAL LEADERS LETTING THE DEMOCRACY THAT'S ALWAYS ALLOWED OUR NATION TO THRIVE, TO PUT THE BEST IDEAS FORWARD, SO STATES CAN DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES.

>> BRAUDE: "LOCAL POLITICAL LEADERS."

AND IF HE WINS, AND MITCH MCCONNELL ONCE AGAIN BECOMES SENATE MAJORITY LEADER, HE'S ALREADY TOLD US SEVERAL TIMES, IT WILL BE JUST LIKE 2016 ALL OVER AGAIN, WITH THE G.O.P.

READY AND WILLING TO STAND IN THE WAY OF MAJOR NOMINATIONS FROM JOE BIDEN, ESPECIALLY ANY SUPREME COURT PICKS.

>> I THINK IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

IN FACT, NO, I DON'T THINK EITHER PARTY, IF IT CONTROLLED, IF IT WERE DIFFERENT FROM THE PRESIDENT, WOULD CONFIRM A SUPREME COURT NOMINEE IN THE MIDDLE OF AN-- OF AN ELECTION.

>> BRAUDE: THE STAKES COULD NOT BE HIGHER.

I'M JOINED NOW BY DR. JILL BOLTE TAYLOR, A NEUROLOGIST, WHOSE 2008 TED TALK ABOUT HER OWN SEVERE STROKE EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN SEEN BY NEARLY 28 MILLION PEOPLE, AND WHOSE PIECE ON JOHN FETTERMAN'S RECOVERY PROCESS, "WHAT EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE BRAIN'S ABILITY TO HEAL," APPEARED IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES" THIS WEEK.

YOU SHOULD READ IT.

DOCTOR, IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY, I'M NOT AN M.D.

NEUROLOGIST, I'M A NEUROANATOMY R MY -- ANATOMYIST SCIENTIST.

>> Braude: WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION TO SEEING FETTERMAN THE OTHER NIGHT?

>> WE'RE ON A SHORT TIMETABLE, THAT'S PUTTING THE BRAIN UNDER STRESS PRESSURE, WHEN IT'S TRANSPARENT HE'S HAVING AUDITOR PROCESSING PROBLEMS, THEN HE HAD TO HEAR A QUESTION, HE HAD TO READ THE QUESTION, HE HAD TO READ THE RESPONSE THAT DR. OZ HAD GIVEN, THEN HE HAD TO JUMBLE THAT TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT, WELL, THEN, WHAT IS AN APPROPRIATE RESPONSE, AND I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE WE WORKED WELL WITH HIS BRAIN TO GET A GOOD PERFORMANCE.

>> Braude: YOU WROTE IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES" PIECE WE SHOULD MARVEL AT HIS RECOVER WHICH I DID, BUT YOU'RE A DOCTOR, I'M AN OUTSIDE OBSERVER, NOT A VOTER IN PENNSYLVANIA, AND SEEMS LIKE WHAT WE SHOULD EXPECT OF THEM IS MAYBE TO MARVEL AT HIS RECOVERY BUT ALSO TO CONSIDER BASED ON WHAT THEY SAW, WHETHER THEY BELIEVE HE'S FIT FOR OFFICE.

THAT'S FAIR OR NOT?

>> I BELIEVE THAT'S FAIR.

BUT I DON'T THINK THE DEBATE IS THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO OBSERVE WHAT MR. FETTERMAN'S BRAIN IS DOING AND HOW IT'S PRO-- PROCESSING INFORMATION.

HE'S GIVEN SEVERAL ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEWS WHERE HE'S HAD ON DISPLAY A LOT OF APPROPRIATE INFORMATION PROCESSING AND COGNITION, SO I THINK IT'S ONE THING TO PUT IT ALL ON THE DEBATE -- WELL, HOW MANY DEBATES WILL HE BE DOING IN THE SENATE, MAYBE MANY, BUT I THINK MOST OF HIS TIME WILL BE SPENT DOING SKILL SETS THAT HE HAS ALREADY PUT ON DISPLAY WITH OTHER INTERVIEWS WHERE THERE WASN'T THIS FORMAT OF RUSH, RUSH, SENSE OF URGENCY.

>> Braude: YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE VOTERS WILL NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET A TUTORIAL, BUT CAN YOU EXPLAIN FOR A MINUTE EXACTLY WHAT HE'S EXPERIENCING AND WHAT HIS PROSPECTS FOR RECOVERY ARE, INCLUDING WHAT YOU MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO -- WHEN YOU SAY DIFFICULTY IN AUDITORY PRESS ASKING, WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY MEAN?

>> SO OUR BRAIN IS FILLED WITH CELLS, AND EVERY ABOUT WE HAVE IS DEPENDENT ON CELLS TO PERFORM THAT FUNCTION.

SO I CAN SPEAK LANGUAGE, AND YOU CAN UNDERSTAND LANGUAGE, BECAUSE WE EACH HAVE THOSE CELLS PERFORMING WELL.

THE LANGUAGE SYSTEM IS VERY COMPLEX, WHERE WE CANNOT JUST SPEAK AND UNDERSTAND WHEN SOMEONE SPEAKS, BUT WE CAN READ, WE CAN WRITE, WE CAN MAP IN OUR BRAIN, WE CAN MOTOR CONTROL AN OUTPUT AS WE TYPE.

ALSO PART OF THE BRAIN IS FOR MOTOR CONTROL.

MR. FETTERMAN'S MOTOR CONTROL IS FINE AND STROKE IN ONE REGION OF HEMISPHERE WILL OFFER PARALYSIS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BODY.

SO THAT WAS WORKING FINE.

HE COULD SPEAK FINE.

WHEN WE LOOK AT -- WATCH SOME OF THE OTHER INTERVIEWS, HE'S CHATTING AND HAVING NORMAL CONVERSATION.

WELL, THAT'S A COMPLEX ACTION INSIDE OF THE BRAIN.

HE STILL HAS HIS SENSE OF HUMOR.

THAT'S CELLS INSIDE OF THE BRAIN.

SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT IS THE MAN STILL DOING, INSTEAD OF THIS FOCUS ON THIS ONE PROBLEM AREA WHERE INFORMATION COMES IN, IT KIND OF DROPS FOR -- FOR ME, WHEN I EXPERIENCED IT, IT FELT LIKE IT DROPPED INTO A LITTLE CANYON, AND THEN THERE WAS A PREGNANT PAUSE FOR ME TO ATTACH THE MEANING TO THAT SOUND, AND THEN I COULD UNDERSTAND.

>> Braude: AND THAT'S WHY YOU SAID A MINUTE AGO THAT BEING BOMBARDED WITH RAPID-FIRE QUESTIONS IS ACTUALLY THE WORST KIND OF CIRCUMSTANCE FOR HIM.

>> AS SOON AS I TURNED ON THE DEBATE AND IMMEDIATELY SAID YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO ANSWER, I THOUGHT, OH, MY GOSH.

I MEAN, IMAGINE WHAT A STRESSFUL SITUATION ANY DEBATE IS FOR ANY BRAIN, MUCH LESS A BRAIN WITH AUDITORY PROCESSING INFORMATION PROBLEMS.

>> Braude: SOME OF THE NEGATIVE REACTION TO LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR FETTERMAN OBVIOUSLY IS BASED ON POLITICS AND CRUELTY, AND A GOOD EXAMPLE IS THIS PATHETIC AD FROM A TRUMP PAC TRASHING BOTH THE PRESIDENT AND MR. FETTERMAN.

HERE IT IS.

>> THE WORSE BORDER CRISIS IN AMERICAN HISTORY, THE WORST CRIME WAVE IN DECADES, THE THREAT OF NUCLEAR ANNIHILATION, OUR ECONOMY COLLAPSING.

JOE BIDEN AND JOHN FETTERMAN AREN'T UP TO THESE CHALLENGES.

BIDEN IS STUMBLING AROUND AND FETTERMAN JUST ISN'T RIGHT.

>> BAGELS ARE SO MUCH BETTER.

IDEN AND FETTERMAN, LIBERAL, CLUELESS, WEAK.

>> JUST ISN'T RIGHT SAYS THE TRUMP PAC.

BUT THE ONE PLACE I WILL TAKE ISSUE WITH YOU, THIS ISN'T A PRIVATE CITIZEN, AND I HAVE TO SAY, I THINK THE ONE MISTAKE HE MADE IS HE WAS NOT TERRIBLY TRANSPARENT.

YES, HE RELEASED SOME STATEMENT EARLIER ON FROM HIS CARDIOLOGIST, NOT HIS DOCTORS HERE, AND HE NEVER RELEASED HIS MEDICAL RECORDS.

ALL WE'VE GOTTEN IS A LETTER FROM HIS PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN SAYING HE'S ABLE AND HE'S FIT TO SERVE.

IF YOU'RE IN THIS KIND OF CIRCUMSTANCE -- AND I RESPECT PEOPLE'S PRIVACY IF THEY CHOOSE TO STAY OUT OF THE LIMELIGHT -- HE COULD HAVE UNDERCUT A LOT OF THE CRITICISM WITH MORE TRANSPARENCY, COULD HE NOT HAVE?

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S RATHER A RIDICULOUS ARGUMENT BECAUSE, IF YOU HAD ACCESS TO -- IF THE GENERAL PUBLIC HAD ACCESS TO ANYBODY'S MEDICAL RECORD AND YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND MEDICAL JARGON, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO LEARN FROM THAT?

AND ANY NORMAL PERSON WHO'S GOING TO VIEW BRAIN SCANS, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO GET FROM THAT?

IT'S ONLY GOING TO FUEL THE FODDER, AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT TO BE TRUE, AND I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS IF HIS PHYSICIANS SIGN OFF ON HIM AND THEY DECLARE HE HAS BEEN THROUGH NEURAL EXAMINATIONS IN ORDER TO SEE HOW HE'S PROCESSING, BUT, REALLY, JIM, THE PROOF IS WITHIN THE MAN.

I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO WATCH AN INTERVIEW SEPTEMBER 15th SEPTEMBER 15th WITH ALEX WAGNER WHERE YOU CAN TELL THE MAN IS THERE, THE MAN IS THINKING, THE MAN IS LAUGHING, HE EVEN HAS PART OF HIS BRAIN THAT REMEMBERS HE'S SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW THE SOCIAL NORM OF CRITICIZING DR. OZ.

I MEAN, YOU CAN TELL, IT'S A MATTER OF DO WE LOOK AT WHAT THE MAN'S BRAIN CAN DO, OR DO WE JUST REALLY WAVE ALL OF THIS FLAG ABOUT THIS PROBLEM, THIS ONE PROBLEM THAT HE HAS TRANSPARENTLY SPOKEN ABOUT?

>> Braude: WELL, I HAVE TO SAY, I LOVE BEING TOLD MY POSITIONS ARE RIDICULOUS, BY THE WAY, I'M USED TO THAT.

(LAUGHTER) BUT I HAVE TO SAY, THE REALITY IS THAT'S AN ARGUMENT DONALD TRUMP COULD MAKE FOR NOT RELEASING HIS MEDICAL RECORDS.

WE RELY UPON PEOPLE LIKE YOU TO EXPLAIN THAT WHICH WE WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND ON THE DOCUMENT.

BUT PUTTING THAT ASIDE, HERE'S ONE PERSON WHO AGREED WITH YOU, THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE AND LIKELY NEXT GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS WAS ON THE RADIO WITH US TODAY.

HERE'S WHAT MAURA HEALEY HAD TO SAY ABOUT THIS SITUATION.

>> HIS PROGRESS HAS BEEN REMARKABLE.

SO THAT REALLY BOTHERED ME.

MEHMET OZ IS JUST -- HE'S KIND OF ONE OF THESE TV CHARLATANS WHO IS JUST PLAYING TO A CROWD.

YOU KNOW, HE SAID THINGS THAT WERE OFFENSIVE.

I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THE VOTERS IN PENNSYLVANIA WILL RECOGNIZE THE SUBSTANCE FETTERMAN BRINGS TO THIS BECAUSE HE WOULD BE A TERRIFIC SENATOR FOR THE COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA.

>> Braude: YOU KNOW, JILL BOLTE TAYLOR, IS IT POSSIBLE SOMETHING GOOD COMES FROM THIS?

I DON'T MEAN POLITICALLY.

I ASSUME HE'S AN INSPIRATION WHO KNOW, WHO SEE HE HAD THE COURAGE TO DO THIS AND ALSO PROVIDES A BIT OF EDUCATION FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO REALLY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THIS TILL THE OTHER NIGHT.

IS THAT POSSIBLE?

>> I THINK YOU'RE SPOT ON AND WHY YOU HAVE ME SPEAKING TO YOU TODAY BECAUSE YOU CARE ABOUT EDUCATION OF THE PUBLIC.

>> Braude: YOU'RE TRYING TO ATONE FOR WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE?

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW?

I'M KIDDING.

KEEP GOING.

I'M SORRY.

>> YEAH.

NO, I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A STROKE TO BE IN THE SPOTLIGHT FOR US TO CONSIDER, BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT IF YOU'RE MANAGING WITH SOMEBODY WITH DISABILITY, YOU CAN FOCUS ON WHAT THEY HAVE AND ACTUALLY SUPPORT THEM IN THEIR RECOVERY, OR YOU CAN REALLY MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT BY BEING NON-SUPPORTIVE AND NON-COMPASSIONATE.

>> Braude: BY THE WAY, DO YOU AGREE WITH MOST PEOPLE IN THE NEUROLOGY FIELD WHO HAVE NO CONNECTION TO FETTERMAN HIMSELF THAT THIS IS A TEMPORARY CONDITION AND THAT, ULTIMATELY, HE WILL COME OUT OF EVEN THE EFFECTS THAT WE SAW THE OTHER NIGHT.

DO YOU BUY THAT?

>> YOU KNOW, THE BRAIN IS NEUROPLASTIC, IT IS CONSTANTLY CHANGING.

YOUR ABOUT TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH ME AND TO LEARN, FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO LEARN FROM YOU, THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE OF THE BRAIN, AND NEURONS WANT TO RECOVER AND GET BETTER.

AND BECAUSE I'M NOT HIS NEUROLOGIST AND I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT HIS MEDICAL RECORDS, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT HIS PROGRESSION HAS BEEN.

ALL I CAN DO IS WATCH THE INTERVIEWS AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I AGREE THE DEBATE WAS A DEBACLE, BUT WE DIDN'T SET HIM UP FOR SUCCESS, AND I THINK THAT IF PEOPLE REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW HE IS THINKING AND WHAT IS THE TRUTH, THEN WE CAN PUT HIM ON DISPLAY IN A BETTER WAY.

>> Braude: WELL, IF HE HAD RELEASED THOSE MEDICAL RECORDS, MAYBE HE COULD HAVE RESPONDED TO THAT.

JILL BOLTE TAYLOR, GREAT TO HAVE YOU, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Braude: NEXT UP, THE LATEST IN OUR SERIES SPOTLIGHTING THE RESTAURANTS THAT GOT FIVE-STAR REVIEWS FROM THE "BOSTON GLOBE:" LYNN'S NIGHTSHADE NOODLE BAR, THAT LEFT ONE HELL OF AN IMPRESSION ON "GLOBE" FOOD CRITIC DEVRA FIRST, WHO WROTE, "I'M STILL MARVELING OVER THE FOOD WITH THE FRIEND I'VE SHARED IT WITH, AS WELL AS THE COUPLE AT THE TABLE TO MY RIGHT.

THEY'RE HERE CELEBRATING A BIRTHDAY.

TO MY LEFT, IT'S AN ANNIVERSARY.

THIS IS A WONDERFUL PLACE TO COME WITH SOMEONE YOU LOVE, WHEN BOTH OF YOU LOVE FOOD.

WHAT BETTER PRAISE COULD THERE BE, REALLY?"

NIGHTSHADE HAS SEVEN- TO 14-COURSE TASTING MENUS OF VIETNAMESE AND FRENCH-INSPIRED DISHES, WITH EVERYTHING FROM SEA URCHIN AND BELUGA CAVIAR, TO BONE MARROW BAHN MI, AND A REVOLVING DOOR OF OTHER OPTIONS.

NIGHTSHADE NOODLE BAR CHEF AND OWNER RACHEL MILLER JOINED ME YESTERDAY.

RACHEL, IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU.

>> GREAT TO SEE YOU.

>> Braude: CAN WE GO BACK IN HISTORY A BIT?

I HOPE I'M GETTING THIS RIGHT.

I'M THINKING ABOUT WHEN WE FIRST SPOKE.

YOU WERE A TEENAGER, FIRM CORRECTLY, WORKING IN A TRUCK STOP DONUT SHOP IN MISSISSIPPI.

DID I GET ALL THE ELEMENTS RIGHT?

>> YEAH IS THAT I CAN'T REMEMBER.

SO HOW DID YOU GET FROM THERE TO BOSTON FOR STARTERS?

WHAT HAPPENED?

>> WELL, MY FATHER LIVED IN MISSISSIPPI AND HE OWNS THAT DONUT SHOP.

>> Braude: I REMEMBER.

IT WAS AT THE ONLY STOPLIGHT IN TOWN AT THE TIME, AND THAT WAS MY FIRST -- MY VERY, VERY FIRST KITCHEN GIG.

I JUST DID AN OVERNIGHT SHIFT WITH HIM MAKING DONUTS FOR TRUCK DRIVERS.

>> Braude: HOW DO YOU GET FROM A TRUCK STOP IN MISSISSIPPI TO BOSTON?

>> WELL, MY MOTHER LIVED IN NORFOLK, VIRGINIA.

THERE'S A CHINATOWN BUS, AND BASICALLY A FRIEND OF MINE WHOSE NAME WAS DESTINY -- FUNNY ENOUGH -- SHE WALKED UP TO ME ONE DAY AND SAID LET'S GET OUT OF HERE, DO YOU WANT TO GO TO BOSTON?

I SAID SURE.

WE GOT CHINATOWN BUS TICKETS AND GOT JOBS.

>> Braude: ONE OF THE JOBS IN BOSTON WAS WITH PEOPLE LIKE KEN ORANGER OF CLEO.

>> YES.

>> Braude: AND YOU GO FROM BOSTON TO LYNN.

HOW DID THAT MOVE HAPPEN?

THAT WAS, LIKE, FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO.

>> YES.

>> Braude: HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?

>> I WAS GOING THROUGH A BREAKUP.

>> Braude: SAY I'M BREAKING UP SO I'LL GO TO LYNN?

>> WELL, I WAS LOOKING FOR A PLACE, AND A FRIEND CALLED OUT OF THE BLUE AND WAS, LIKE, WELL, I DO HAVE THIS ROOM AVAILABLE, IT WAS IN LYNN.

AND I WAS, LIKE, COOL, I'LL BE THERE.

>> Braude: IF THE FRIEND LIVED IN SALEM, YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN IN SALEM?

>> YEAH.

>> Braude: HAD YOU EVER BEEN TO LYNN BEFORE.

>> NO.

>> Braude: FROM WHAT I RECALL, YOU START A POP-UP AND DO MEALS IN PEOPLE'S HOMES.

>> RIGHT.

>> Braude: FROM WHAT I RECALL FROM OUR PRIOR CONVERSATION, DIDN'T THE CITY HELP YOU IN SOME WAYS TO TRANSITION FROM THAT FORM OF YOUR BUSINESS TO ACTUALLY OWNING THE RESTAURANT.

>> YES.

>> Braude: HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?

>> THE CITY IS VERY INSTRUMENTAL.

ACTUALLY, I GOT A LOAN THROUGH THE EDIC, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRIAL COUNCIL, AND THEY WERE VERY HELPFUL WITH ALL THE STEPS OF THAT PROCESS, AND THOSE LOANS ARE MOSTLY FOR, LIKE, MINORITY-OWNED BUSINESSES, WOMEN-OWNED BUSINESSES, THOSE WITH LOWER INCOME LOOKING TO OPEN A BUSINESS AND HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL THE STEPS AND BASICALLY PROVEN THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO DO SO.

>> Braude: AND THIS WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED WERE IT NOT FOR THE CITY'S INTERVENTION HERE?

>> I THINK SO, YEAH.

>> Braude: THAT'S GREAT.

I WAS IN A POSITION TO GET -- TO GO DIRECTLY TO THE SBA.

>> Braude: WHEN I FIRST MET YOU, I THINK YOU OPENED RIGHT BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.

>> FIVE MONTHS.

>> Braude: UNLIKE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO DO WHAT YOU DO, WHO HAD A MISERABLE TIME DURING THE PANDEMIC, FROM WHAT I'VE READ, YOU ACTUALLY GREW.

HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT?

WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?

>> I THINK A LOT OF IT HAD TO DO WITH SO MUCH PRACTICE VIA THE POP-UP.

WE DID A LOT OF TAKEOUT POP-UPS, SO I ALREADY HAD A PORTFOLIO OF DISHES THAT I KNEW WOULD TRAVEL THAT WERE ALREADY COSTED OUT.

I ALREADY KNEW HOW TO PACKAGE THEM.

THERE WASN'T REALLY A WHOLE LOT OF -- WE DIDN'T HAVE TO WASTE TIME TRYING TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO DELIVER THE PRODUCT.

>> Braude: AND ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVED -- I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT TILL I GOT THERE -- YOU REQUIRED VACCINATION, ONE OF VERY FEW -- IN VERY FEW PLACES TOOK A CHANCE BECAUSE IT UPSET A LOT OF PEOPLE, RIGHT?

>> YEAH.

>> Braude: WHY DID YOU DO THAT?

WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING?

THAT UPSET A LOT OF PEOPLE.

>> THAT UPSET A LOT OF PEOPLE, YEAH.

WE ROCKED THE BOAT BIG TIME WITH THAT.

I WAS COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF HOW MUCH THAT WOULD -- HOW MUCH FRICTION THAT NIGHT CAUSE.

BUT IT WAS VERY SHORT LIVED.

I DID IT TO PROTECT THE STAFF.

LIKE, EVEN THOUGH WE WERE IN THE SHUTDOWN, WE HAD THE PATIO OPEN, GUESTS STILL HAD TO COME INSIDE TO USE THE RESTROOM AND WE HAD TO ACCOMMODATE SOME PEOPLE BEING INSIDE.

MOST OF MY STAFF AT THE TIME WAS MIDDLE-AGED WOMEN AND OLDER, AND UNTIL RECENTLY, THAT'S BEEN THE MAJORITY OF THE STAFF AT NIGHTSHADE IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT AGE GROUP THAT I WAS -- YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE WORKING WITH PARENTS.

>> Braude: LET'S DO FOOD AND WE'LL TALK IN A SECOND.

CAN I START THERE.

>> YES.

>> Braude: WHAT IS THAT THING?

IS IT FOUL IF I JUST TAKE SOME?

>> NO, PLEASE.

>> Braude: WHAT IS IT?

OUR CABBAGE SALAD.

THIS IS SHAVED CABBAGE WITH GREEN APPLE AND MINT.

>> Braude: WHAT'S THE BROWN STUFF ON TOP.

>> CRISPY SHALLOTS.

>> Braude: FABULOUS.

REALLY REALLY GOOD.

IS THERE MORE IN THAT THING YOU'RE NOT TELLING ME ABOUT?

>> ON THE BOTTOM THERE IS BARBECUE MITAKI MUSHROOMS, BUTTER NUT MAPLE.

>> Braude: YOU'RE TASTING IN YOUR PLACE.

>> YES, WE'VE EVOLVED TO THAT.

>> Braude: WHY?

I NEEDED TO MAKE SURE WE MADE CERTAIN CHECK AVERAGE PER SEAT TO SURVIVE.

THE PANDEMIC WAS EXPENSIVE, WE LOST A TON OF MONEY, AND I DIDN'T HAVE ANY FOOTING BEFORE THE SHUTDOWN, I WAS ONLY OPEN FOR FIVE MONTHS, AND WE DIDN'T DEFINITELY OPEN IN A VERY SECURE POSITION, MUCH LIKE MOST RESTAURANTS.

>> Braude: WERE YOU SCARED AT THE?

EVEN THOUGH IT TURNED OUT A WORKDAY, YOU WERE PETRIFIED THERE WASN'T GOING TO LAST AFTER YOU HAD YOUR OWN PLACE.

>> DEFINITELY.

>> Braude: HOW DID YOU GET THROUGH THAT PART OF IT?

>> LUCKILY, MY STAFF HAD A LOT OF FAITH, THEY KEPT SHOWING UP EVERY DAY AND GIVING THEIR ALL AND WERE VERY INVESTED.

I WAS AT A POINT WHERE I WAS SHOWING UP FOR THEM AND KEPT DOING THIS FOR THEM.

>> Braude: THAT'S GREAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO NEXT.

I ASSUME THAT'S A HOMEMADE POTATO CHIP.

>> NO.

>> Braude: I'M SUPPOSED TO PICK UP A POTATO CHIP AND I ASSUME DIP IT IN THIS THING.

>> YES.

>> Braude: WHAT IS IS THAT.

WE CALL IT EGG SPUMO WHICH IS A WORD WE MADE UP.

>> Braude: WHAT IS IT IN REALITY.

>> ESSENTIALLY LIKE AN EGG SALAD PURE RAY THAT WE AERATE, WHICH HAS SINCE DEFLATED A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S BASICALLY ALL OF THE TRADITIONAL ACCOMPANIMENTS WITH THE OLD-SCHOOL CAVIAR SERVICE -- BOILED EGG, SHALLOTS, CHIVES, WHOLE NINE YARDS.

>> Braude: IS THIS CAVIAR AT THE TRUCK STOP IN MISSISSIPPI.

>> NO.

>> Braude: I DO THIS, AND THEN CAVIAR IS THE NEXT -- OKAY, THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE.

YOU PUT IT ON TOP.

>> YES.

>> Braude: AND POP THIS THING IN, IN TOTO?

>> YEP.

>> Braude: HOLD ON A SECOND.

OH, MY GOD.

THAT IS UNBELIEVABLE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Braude: SO THIS WOULD BE PART -- EXCUSE ME FOR CHEWING AND TALKING TO YOU, BUT NO OPTION.

THIS WOULD BE PART OF EITHER A SEVEN OR 12 OR 14-COURSE TASTING MENU.

GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT OTHER KINDS OF THINGS ONE MIGHT GET.

THIS IS REALLY UNBELIEVABLE.

>> THANK YOU.

EVERY SINGLE TASTING GETS THIS -- WE DO -- I PROBABLY HAVE 23 DISHES ON THE MENU.

>> Braude: PICK TWO OR THREE THAT YOU STAND OUT THAT YOU CARE ABOUT.

>> OKAY.

ONE OF THEM IS WE CALL IT THE LOBSTER GLASSE.

>> Braude: WHAT'S THAT?

WE GET LOCAL LOBSTERS FROM MARBLEHEAD, ONE OF OUR FISHERMEN.

WE APPROACH THE CLAWS AND TAILS SEPARATELY.

MAKE A BROTH FROM THE BODIES.

INFUSE WITH SMOKED VANILLA BEANS WHICH WE SMOKE IN-HOUSE, AND WE MAKE THIS LOVELY AROMATIC LOBSTER BROTH.

WE MAKE A BUTTER SAUCE WITH IT WHICH IS THE GLASSE AND GETS SERVED IN AN ICE CREAM DISH, CLEAR CRYSTAL.

GETS DWARNSHED WITH A CHOKED CHILI VINAIGRETTE AND USE THE BROTH TO MAKE A FOAM, SO IT'S A LOBSTER CAPPUCCINO KIND OF SITUATION.

>> Braude: WHEN I CAME TO YOUR PLACE I ASKED ONE TO HAVE THE SERVERS WHERE IS RACHEL, THEY LAUGHED AND SAID IN THE KITCHEN, OBVIOUSLY.

I GUESS BEING HERE WITH ME IS THE LONGEST BREAK YOU'VE HAD FROM WORK SINCE YOU OPENED.

>> YEAH.

>> Braude: THIS IS WHAT YOU DO.

>> THIS IS IT.

>> Braude: YOU'VE ALSO OPENED, I THINK NEXT DOOR, THE "SIN CITY," AS IN LYNN CITY -- >> YES.

>> Braude: MY FRIEND HAS BEEN THERE AND THESE ARE HER WORDS, NOT MINE, THEY SELL FROM CAVIAR TO CONDOMS.

>> YES.

(LAUGHTER) >> Braude: WHAT IS IT?

WHAT DO YOU DO?

>> WELL, WANTED A CONVENIENCE STORE BECAUSE WE NEED THAT ON THE BLOCK.

I'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR SEVEN YEARS.

>> Braude: WHICH IS DOWNTOWN LYNN.

>> DOWNTOWN LYNN, YEAH.

>> Braude: AND WE NEEDED ANOTHER CONVENIENCE STORE THAT JUST HAD DIFFERENT OFFERINGS THAN THE OTHERS, AND I WANTED TO SELL THE NIGHTSHADE ITEMS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE, SO WE DO SOME OF OUR THINGS FOR RETAIL.

WE HAVE CAVIAR THAT WE BRAND AND SELL THROUGH THERE.

WE ALSO SELL, LIKE, DIAPERS AND PACIFIERS AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF.

>> Braude: THAT'S GREAT.

I THINK SENATOR CRIEGHTEN WAS HERE THE OTHER NIGHT ON THE SIDE OF THE LAW THAT ALLOWS UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE TO HAVE LICENSES, BUT HE'S NOT THE ONLY OFFICIAL I'VE SPOKEN FROM LYNN AND QUITE OFTEN BECAUSE YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON I KNOW IN LYNN I BROUGHT YOU UP, EVERY OFFICIAL SAID YOU WERE CENTRAL, I MEAN IN A REALLY POSITIVE WAY.

I MEAN, THE DOWNTOWN OF LYNN FROM WHEN YOU MOVED THERE TO NOW, SIX OR SEVEN YEARS LATER, IS A DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT KIND OF THING, IS IT NOT?

>> IT IS.

THE STREET I LIVE ON AND HAVE BOTH OF MY BUSINESSES ON, TWO OF THE BUILDINGS WERE BOARDED UP, ABANDONED WHEN I GOT THERE.

JUST, YOU KNOW, TRASH ON THE STREETS, VERY DARK, GLOOMY.

>> Braude: TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

TOTALLY DIFFERENT PICTURE.

>> Braude: YOU'VE DONE TWO THINGS, SO FAR.

IF YOU DO A THIRD, IT'S ALL LYNN ALL THE TIME, THAT'S YOU?

>> AT LEAST THAT'S WHERE I'M AT NOW.

I THINK IF AN OPPORTUNITY COMES UP THAT WOULD BE WORST ME NOT BEING AT NIGHTSHADE AS OFTEN AS I AM RIGHT NOW, THEN IT'S WORTH EXPLORING, BUT SO FAR NO.

>> Braude: BEFORE YOU GO, THAT LOOKS LIKE A CUP OF WATER.

>> YEAH.

>> Braude: I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO DRINK IT AM I.

>> NO.

>> Braude: WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO.

>> THESE ARE COIN TOWELS WE DO FOR -- >> Braude: FOR -- THEY'RE LIKE FOR CAMPING AND TRAVELING.

>> IT'S A TOWEL AND YOU DROP IT IN THE WATER.

>> YES.

WE SERVE THIS, TURNS INTO A CONSIDER.

>> Braude: OH, MY GOD!

YEAH.

>> Braude: YOU PULL IT OUT AND WIPE YOUR HANDS FROM THE CAVIAR AND THE EGG, WHATEVER THE HELL IT IS THING?

>> YEAH, AND THE SHELL FISH IS WHAT YOU EAT WITH YOUR HANDS, IT'S MESSY, AND THIS IS ON THE TABLE WITH THE DISHES.

>> Braude: THRILLED FOR YOUR SUCCESS AND THE FIVE-STAR RATING.

DO YOU REMEMBER DOING THAT ONE MORE TIME BEFORE WE GO.

>> NOT AT ALL.

>> Braude: PEOPLE SHOULD GO, IT'S GREAT.

SPECTACULAR.

>> YOU CAN LOOK FORWARD TO ME TALKING WITH MY MOUTH FULL AGAIN NEXT WEEK WHEN OUR SERIES ON THE "GLOBE'S" FIVE-STAR RESTAURANTS CONTINUES, WITH OSTRA.

THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT, BUT COME BACK TOMORROW FOR "TALKING POLITICS."

ADAM REILLY AND HIS PANEL WILL TAKE UP SOME LAST-MINUTE MOVES GOVERNOR BAKER IS MAKING IN HIS FINAL MONTHS IN OFFICE.

PLUS, NEUTRAL, NONPARTISAN ANALYSIS OF BALLOT QUESTIONS 3 AND 4, ON ALCOHOL LICENSING, AND DRIVERS LICENSES FOR IMMIGRANTS WITHOUT LEGAL STATUS.

THAT AND MORE, TOMORROW AT 7:00.

I'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK.

THANKS FOR WATCHING, AND PLEASE, DON'T FORGET ABOUT UKRAINE.

CAPTIONED BY MEDIA ACCESS GROUP AT WGBH ACCESS.WGBH.ORG Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org >> WELL, YOU HAVE BEEN RESPONDING TO OUR CALL FOR QUESTIONS IN RECENT WEEKS, SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET TO AS MANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS AS WE CAN IN SHORT ORDER.

(UPBEAT MUSIC) LAURA BENNETT FROM WESTPORT ASKS, WHY IS THERE A PARTICULAR KIND OF ROCK IN MASSACHUSETTS KNOWN AS PUDDINGSTONE?

WELL, PUDDINGSTONE IS A TYPE OF SEDIMENTARY ROCK KNOWN AS A CONGLOMERATE, WHICH MEANS THERE'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT GRAVEL-SIZE STONES IN THERE, WHICH ARE STUCK TOGETHER WITH SEDIMENT.

IT'S LIKE A MISH-MASH.

NOW, WHEN EUROPEAN SETTLERS FIRST CAME HERE, THEY SAW THIS ROCK AND IT REMINDED THEM OF THEIR FAVORITE DESSERT FROM HOME, FRUIT PUDDING.

NOW, OF COURSE, ENGLISH PUDDING IS DIFFERENT THAN AMERICAN PUDDING-- IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN "THE GREAT BRITISH BAKING SHOW," YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT-- AND THE FACT THAT A LOT OF BRITISH DESSERTS KIND OF LOOK LIKE ROCKS.

LOCAL TIP, IF YOU WANT TO SEE A REALLY WEIRD POEM ABOUT PUDDINGSTONE, HEAD TO FITZGERALD PARK IN MISSION HILL IN BOSTON.

ALICE FASTOV FROM DENHAM MASSACHUSETTS, WANTS TO KNOW, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SPIDERWEBS AND COBWEBS?

WELL, THERE ARE SOME SPIDERS, LIKE, SAY, A BLACK WIDOW, THAT MAKE THESE DIMENSIONAL, IRREGULAR WEBS, AND THOSE ARE KNOWN AS COBWEBS.

BUT IN GENERAL, A COBWEB SIMPLY REFERS TO A SPIDER WEB THAT HAS BEEN ABANDONED.

NOW THAT "COB" IN COBWEB COMES FROM AN OLD MIDDLE ENGLISH WORD, COPPE, WHICH JUST MEANS SPIDER.

SUSAN FROM BOSTON ASKS, WHY DO WHEELS ON CARS IN TV COMMERCIALS SEEM TO BE SPINNING BACKWARDS?

WELL, SUSAN, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE CAMERA IS, IT'S ACTUALLY TAKING JUST A BUNCH OF PICTURES, AND THEN YOUR BRAIN IS ASSEMBLING THOSE PICTURES, TO SAY, "I SEE MOTION."

NOW, WHEN THE SPEED IS JUST RIGHT, HERE'S WHAT'S GOING ON.

YOU GOT A CAR WHEEL.

LET'S SAY THERE'S A SPOT YOU'RE NOTICING ON THAT CAR WHEEL RIGHT THERE AT 12 O'CLOCK.

THE NEXT PICTURE IN THE CAMERA, THAT SPOT IS MAYBE AT 11 O'CLOCK.

THE NEXT PICTURE IN THE CAMERA, THAT SPOT IS MAYBE AT 10 O'CLOCK.

SO, WHAT YOUR BRAIN IS INTERPRETING IS THAT THE WHEEL IS ACTUALLY MOVING BACKWARDS.

INCIDENTALLY, THE SAME THING CAN HAPPEN JUST IN-PERSON-- YOUR EYE AND YOUR BRAIN KIND OF WORK THE SAME WAY AS THE CAMERA.

NOT EXACTLY, BUT IF THE SPEED IS RIGHT, YOU'LL NOTICE IT RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU.

WELL, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TIME FOR TODAY.

DON'T FORGET TO LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE, AND PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANTLY, LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU ARE CURIOUS ABOUT!

BECAUSE, HEY, I MIGHT JUST LOOK INTO IT FOR YOU.

I'M EDGAR B. HERWICK III.

STAY CURIOUS OUT THERE.

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