>> HI I'M MARK ROTTERMAN COMING UP ON FRONT ROW THE BIDEN COMMISSION ON THE SUPREME COURT SPLITS ON COURT PACKING.

NO DEAL YET ON NORTH CAROLINA'S BUDGET.

AND FACEBOOK UNDER FIRE.

NEXT.

[announcer voice over]: ♪ A COMPLETE LIST OF FUNDERS CAN BE FOUND AT: ♪ >> WELCOME BACK JOINING THE CONVERSATION, DONNA KING EDITOR-IN-CHIEF CAROLINA JOURNAL.

REPUBLICAN STATE SENATOR JIM BURGIN.

JAY CHAUDHURI THE DEMOCRATIC WHIP IN THE SENATE.

AND NELSON DOLLAR SENIOR ADVISOR NORTH CAROLINA SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE.

JAY WHY DON'T WE BEGIN WITH THE COMMISSION ON THE SUPREME COURT, THE BIDEN COMMISSION THAT LOOKED INTO WHETHER THEY SHOULD BE ADDING SOME JUSTICES.

>> YEAH MARK SO AS BACKGROUND, THEN-CANDIDATE JOE BIDEN WAS REPEATEDLY ASKED DURING THE 2020 ELECTION WHERE HE STOOD ON EXPANDING THE NUMBER OF SUPREME COURT JUSTICES.

HE NEVER REALLY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.

INSTEAD APRIL OF THIS YEAR HE ESTABLISHED A 38 MEMBER AND BIPARTISAN COMMISSION TO LOOK AT POTENTIAL REFORMS FOR THE SUPREME COURT.

RECENTLY REPORT DRAFT REPORT CAME OUT ON ONE HAND THE LIBERALS HAVE CRITICIZED THE REPORT SAYING THAT THE DRAFT OF THE REPORT TO DISCUSS THE PROS AND CONS OF ADDING SEATS THE SUPREME COURT ACTUALLY DIDN'T FOCUS ON THE MERITS OF ADDING THOSE SEATS, BUT REALLY TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS MORE ABOUT A PARTISAN AGENDA.

AND ON THE OTHER HAND YOU'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS THAT HAVE LEFT, THAT RESIGNED FROM THE COMMISSION.

THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE ONE AREA OF CONSENSUS AND THAT'S ON TERM LIMITS FOR JUSTICES.

THE UNITED STATES IS ACTUALLY THE ONLY MAJOR CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY THAT DOES NOT HAVE TERM LIMITS FOR JUSTICES OR A FIXED RETIREMENT AGE.

>> WHAT ARE THEY SUGGESTING?

>> THEY - THEIR SUGGESTIONS BETWEEN HAVING TERM LIMITS BETWEEN 16 AND 18 YEARS.

BUT THERE'S A CATCH BECAUSE MOST EXPERTS BELIEVE THAT YOU NEED A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.

AND AS WE KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT TO AMEND THE CONSTITUTION.

>> NELSON, COURT PACKING HAS BEEN TRIED BEFORE BY FDR FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT.

>> I MEAN IT'S A CLASSIC IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME CHANGE THE RULES.

AND THE IRONY IS MANY OF THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE TALKING ABOUT RESTORING DEMOCRATIC NORMS ARE THE FIRST ONES TO ADVOCATE THROWING OUT ALL OF OUR INSTITUTIONAL NORMS OF FEDERALISM SEPARATION OF POWERS AND JUDICIAL INDEPENDENCE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU WOULD GET IF YOU DID TERM LIMITS.

>> IF THEY TRIED THIS, WOULD IT TRIGGER A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS.

>> IT ABSOLUTELY WOULD AND YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S NO APPRECIATION TODAY RIGHT NOW ON THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT FROM WHAT CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS AND JUSTICE BRIAR, REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO DO.

THEY ARE ACTUALLY ON THE COURT TRYING TO LIMIT ACTIVISM ON POLICY AND THE SCOPE AND CONSTRUCTION OF DECISIONS WHEN THE COURT CAN DECIDE A CASE ON STANDING AROUND SOME POINT OF THE LAW.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO REACH CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE, AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS FALL LATER ON, DECISIONS THAT ARE FAR MORE NARROWLY TAILORED.

>> THIS DIDN'T PLEASE THE LEFT WING OF A BIDEN'S PARTY DID IT.

>> NO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THE COMMISSION WAS SET UP BECAUSE HE HAD NOT TAKEN THAT POSITION.

THERE'S ABOUT 36 MEMBERS OF THIS PARTICULAR COMMISSION A LOT OF THEM ARE SURE LIBERAL ACADEMICS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS THAT THE THIS DECISION THIS REPORT COMES OUT AS THE HIGH COURT IS REALLY GOING TO BE LOOKING AT SOME VERY IMPORTANT CASES INCLUDING SOME SECOND AMENDMENT, ABORTION CASE, THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT WHAT THEY SAID OVERALL IS THAT A STABLE DEMOCRACY DOES NOT MESS AROUND WITH ITS JUDICIARY IT DOESN'T DO THINGS LIKE THAT THAT COMPARED IT TO VENEZUELA, TURKEY, SO EVEN THOUGH THE LEFT LEANING POLITICS OF THE COMMISSION, SOME OF THE FOLKS WHO ARE ON IT THEY SAID THAT THIS JUST ISN'T IN THE CARDS IT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT A DEMOCRACY SHOULD DO.

>> JIM WEIGH IN HERE.

>> I THINK IT WOULD SHATTER THE LEGITIMACY OF THE COURT AND I WOULD BE COMPLETELY AGAINST IT.

I THINK MOST MODERATES ARE COMPLETELY AGAINST IT AND YOU KNOW IT BE LIKE MOVING CHRISTMAS TO JULY, YOU KNOW WE JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE AND I WOULD POSE THE QUESTION SHOULD WE LOOK AT DOING THE SAME THING FOR NORTH CAROLINA.

YOU KNOW WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE CAN CHANGE THINGS IN NORTH CAROLINA, IF WE DID THAT I WOULD BE AGAINST THAT I'M AGAINST THIS.

>> WAS THIS DEATH, JAY, BY COMMISSION JUST TO PLACATE THE LEFT WING OF HIS PARTY, BUT HE DOESN'T WANT TO GO FORWARD?

THE PRESIDEMT?

>> WELL, I MEAN, I THINK IT WAS A WAY FOR BIDEN TRY TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION OF EXPANDING THE COURT WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I THINK WHAT IS INTERESTING IS THE COMMISSION IS ACTUALLY NOT MAKING ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR SIMPLY - THEY'RE SIMPLY ANALYZING THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

THE OTHER THING TO POINT OUT IS THAT - >> BUT TRADITIONALLY IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING COME FORWARD YOU JUST SLOW WALK IT IN THE COMMISSION RIGHT?

>> WELL I THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN A GOOD PUBLIC DEBATE ABOUT EXPANDING THE COURT.

I THINK THEY'RE PROS AND CONS TO IT.

BUT AS I MENTIONED, I MEAN, YEAH NELSON IS RIGHT, I MEAN THE PUBLIC OPINION IS AGAINST PACKING THE COURT.

BUT THERE IS SUPPORT FOR TERM LIMITS FOR JUSTICES, PUBLIC OPINION.

>> I THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT LIBERAL JUSTICE STEVEN BRIAR ON THE COURT AND THE LATE RUTH BADER GINSBURG WERE BOTH AGAINST TERM LIMITS.

>> OK, I'M COMING RIGHT BACK TO YOU, NELSON.

GIVE US A PROGRESS REPORT ON NORTH CAROLINA'S BUDGET.

>> SHOPPING SEASON IS IN FULL SWING AND WE DON'T HAVE A STATE BUDGET.

BUT IN FAIRNESS IT'S REALLY THE MOST COMPLEX AND LARGEST SPENDING BILL IN THE HISTORY OF THE STATE.

BECAUSE WE HAVE 6 BILLION FEDERAL MONEY ALL OF THE STATE MONEY, IT'S A ONCE IN A GENERATION PLAN.

ON THE POSITIVE SIDE, EVERYONE IS TALKING: GENERAL ASSEMBLY, GOVERNOR, AND STAFF.

AND ISSUES HAVE REALLY BEEN NARROWED DOWN TO A HANDFUL OF KEY POINTS, MEDICAID EXPANSION, TAXES, EDUCATION, SPENDING AND EXECUTIVE POWERS.

EVERYONE HAS BEEN NEGOTIATING IN GOOD FAITH AND THE GOAL IS CERTAINLY TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT WE CAN AND THE GOVERNOR SIGN.

BUT WE DO HAVE OPTIONS.

SO IF WE NEED TO PASS A CONFERENCE REPORT AND OVERRIDE A POTENTIAL VETO.

THAT IS ALSO ON THE TABLE BECAUSE I THINK FROM GENERAL ASSEMBLY'S PERSPECTIVE, FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION.

>> JAY, YOUR SENSE OF WHERE WE ARE?

>> I THINK NELSON'S RIGHT CERTAINLY FROM THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE THERE SEEMS TO BE MOVEMENT.

AND IT'S REALLY COME DOWN TO THOSE 4 ISSUES ABOUT MEDICAID EXPANSION, TAX CUTS PUBLIC TEACHER PAY, AND HOW MUCH WE INVEST IN MEETING OUR SOUND CONSTITUTIONAL OBLIGATIONS FOR SOUND BASIC EDUCATION.

BUT I THINK THE REAL ISSUE IS GOING TO BE WHETHER THAT MOVEMENT CAN CONTINUE OR NOT.

I MEAN I THINK THAT THE IDEA OF HAVING A CONFERENCE VOTE TRYING TO OVERRIDE THE GOVERNOR'S VETO MAY BREAK DOWN THE NEGOTIATIONS.

AND SO I THINK BOTH SIDES ARE HOPEFUL HOPE THAT WE CAN COME TO A COMPROMISE.

>> JIM, WHAT DO YOU SEE IS THE OUTSTANDING ISSUES.

>> WELL.

IT'S IT'S THE MONEY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO SPEND MONEY AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD BUDGET.

IT'S A BIG BUDGET THERE'S GREAT THINGS IN THERE FOR MENTAL HEALTH.

THERE IS EXPANSION IN THERE BECAUSE WE'RE EXPANDING COVERAGE FOR NEW MOMS UP TO 12 MONTHS WHICH IS GOING MAKE A TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE IN CHILDREN'S LIVES AND MOMS LIVES.

YOU KNOW, I THINK - I THINK WE NEED A BUDGET.

I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE THE ONLY STATE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A BUDGET IN THE COUNTRY.

I CALL THIS "DEAL NO DEAL TIME."

YOU KNOW SEE CASES ARE PASSING BACK AND FORTH WE NEED TO MAKE A DEAL.

>> I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

WE ARE THE LAST ONES IT'S NOW 4 MONTHS OVERDUE AND THERE ARE SOME KEY ISSUES THAT HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED.

THINGS THAT PEOPLE AGREE ON INFRASTRUCTURE, SEWER & WATER, COMMUNITY COLLEGE INVESTMENTS, YOU KNOW, INCREASING BROADBAND.

THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD THINGS IN THERE, RAISES FOR TEACHERS AND STATE WORKERS AND STATE EMPLOYEES ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT AND WE'RE OPERATING UNDER A 2018 2019 BUDGET BECAUSE IT JUST HASN'T GOTTEN ONE THAT THE GOVERNOR WILL SIGN.

SO - BUT THESE ARE CRITICAL ISSUES AND THERE ARE FUNDAMENTAL THINGS HAVE TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.

>> YOU KNOW I SAW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF NATIONAL NEWS ON OUR BUDGET.

>> THERE HAS.

THERE HAS.

WELL GETS ATTENTION WHEN YOU'RE THE LAST ONE OUT OF THE GATE.

BUT YOU KNOW THIS IS THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH, BEEN ENCOURAGED TO SEE A LOT OF THIS BACK AND FORTH AND AND TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER AND GET SOMETHING THAT THE GOVERNOR WILL SIGN IF HE'S NOT WILLING TO, I'M GLAD THAT THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE WHETHER YOU AND THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WILL BE ABLE TO GET THOSE VOTES TO OVERRIDE A VETO, SEEMS A LITTLE BIT UNLIKELY JUST BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY LOCKSTEP BEHIND THE GOVERNOR IN THE PAST.

BUT THE EXPANSION OF COVERAGE FOR NEW MOMS A LOT OF REALLY GOOD STRONG THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED THERE'S A LOT TO THIS BUDGET.

I HOPE WE CAN GET SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS.

>> NELSON, MY SENSE IN TALKING TO PEOPLE IS THAT THERE WILL BE A DEAL NEXT WEEK.

>> I THINK IT IS COMING TO A MOMENT OF DECISION AND I THINK WE HAVE TO PRESS FORWARD AND OF COURSE WE LOVE TO HAVE THE GOVERNOR'S SIGNATURE, BUT I DO THINK WE HAVE VERY MUCH THE OPTION OF MEMBERS OF BOTH PARTIES IN SUFFICIENT VOTES TO OVERRIDE A POTENTIAL VETO, IF IT COMES TO THAT.

BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS BUDGET - AS SENATOR BURGIN POINTED OUT - IT HAS TO BE PASSED.

THERE'S TOO MUCH IN THERE TOO MUCH AT STAKE, NOT TO GET THESE FUNDS OUT THE FEDERAL FUNDS AS WELL AS SOME VERY CRITICAL STATE PROGRAMS.

>> OKAY I WANT TO MOVE ON TO TALK ABOUT FACEBOOK THEY'RE TAKING A LOT OF HEAT, DONNA.

>> THEY ARE AND WHEN YOU'RE TAKING A LOT OF HEAT, WHAT DO YOU DO?

YOU REBRAND?

I MEAN THAT'S WHAT WE HEARD MOST RECENTLY IS THAT FACEBOOK CHANGING THE TOPIC TO META BECAUSE BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A REFERRAL TO THE META - METAVERSE, META UNIVERSE THAT MARK ZUCKERBERG ENVISIONS.

WHICH WOULD MOVE A LOT OF OUR ONLINE EXPERIENCES FROM 3 D ZOOM MEETINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT TOO.

FROM 2 D TO 3 D MORE OF A VIRTUAL REALITY APPROACH TO THE INTERNET.

I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT EVENTUALLY THEY'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS WORK OUT, BUT RIGHT NOW NOBODY'S TAKING YOUR CALLS ON CAPITOL HILL AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT TO MAKE THEY'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF HEAT IN THESE HEARINGS, BECAUSE A WHISTLEBLOWER CAME FORWARD WITH A LOT OF CLOSED-ROOM DOCUMENTS FROM FACEBOOK THAT EXPLAINED HOW FACEBOOK RESEARCHED, MONITIZED, MANIPULATED THE TEEN MIND, AND PARTICULARLY TEENAGE GIRLS SAY INSTAGRAM AND A FEW OTHER THINGS.

HOW THEY SORT OF LOOK THE OTHER WAY ON HUMAN TRAFFICKING THAT'S HAPPENING ON THE PLATFORM.

IT WAS NOT A GOOD LOOK.

NOT A GOOD LOOK FOR THEM AT ALL.

AND RIGHT NOW CAPITOL HILL IS SWARMING WITH BIG DATA LOBBYIST WHO CAN'T GET IN THE DOOR BECAUSE A LOT OF LAWMAKERS ARE SAYING NOT INTERESTED NOT GOING TO TALK TO YOU.

BUT DON'T UNDERESTIMATE THEM THEY ARE STILL A 30 BILLION DOLLAR YOUR COMPANY AND MY GUESS IS THEY'LL SURVIVE.

>> JAY THIS IS BIPARTISAN OUTRAGE ISN'T IT?

>> ABSOLUTELY BIPARTISAN OUTRAGE.

I MEAN I THINK THE FOLKS THAT BENEFIT ARE GOING TO THE LAWYERS AND LOBBYIST FOR FACEBOOK BUT THERE'S CLEARLY A NARRATIVE I THINK THAT'S BEING PAINTED OF WHAT FACEBOOK HAS PUT PROFITS OVER SAFETY AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A BIPARTISAN IN A GLOBAL EFFORT TO REGULATE FACEBOOK BECAUSE OF THE COMPLAINTS, YOU KNOW THE INTERNAL COMPLAINTS THAT WE'VE SEEN TO THE WALL STREET JOURNAL ARTICLES THAT HAVE TALKED ABOUT POLITICAL MISINFORMATION AND PUSHING QANON CONSPIRACY THEORIES AS WELL.

>> YEAH, IN THAT REALM THEY - THEY, ALSO, JIM THE LOT OF CRITICS SAY THEY'RE SUPPRESSING FREE SPEECH.

>> THEY ARE.

AND AS FAR AS THE NAME, YOU CAN NAME A RATTLESNAKE "PRECIOUS," BUT IT'S STILL GOINT TO BITE YOU.

AND I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO BE CAREFUL.

NOW IT'S COMPLETELY OUT OF HAND.

YOU KNOW, BANNING THE NEW YORK POST ARTICLE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE STORY THAT THEY PUT OUT.

BANNING THE NORTH CAROLINA RAPPER BECAUSE OF HIS SONG ABOUT BIDEN IS RIDICULOUS.

THEY'RE A MONOPOLY.

WE HAVE LAWS TO DEAL WITH MONOPOLIES WE NEED TO BE ENFORCING THE LAWS ALSO.

>> WELL, SOMEONE SAID WE'RE IN THE AGE OF RAGE AND THAT'S VERY TRUE.

EVERY ISSUE IS EXISTENTIAL, EVERY SITUATION PLAYED FOR THE MAXIMUM DRAMA, EVERY SOCIAL NORM IS BEING CHALLENGED, EVERY DIVISION MAGNIFIED.

AND OF COURSE IN THIS CASE EVERY FAILING PERSONIFIED BY A VILLAIN IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, ZUCKERBERG AND FACEBOOK.

AND WE DO NEED BI-PARTISAN FEDERAL REGULATION.

AND I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT.

BUT WE ALSO NEED TO STOP - YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE BUSINESS OF WE'VE GOT TO ASSIGN BLAME, BECAUSE THESE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS ARE NOT THE ONES CREATING THE CONTENT.

THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM - >> THEY'RE NOT A PUBLIC COMPANY, RIGHT?

I MEAN THAT'S A THAT'S A PROBLEM.

THEY'RE NOT - MOST OF THIS CONTENT IS BEING CREATED BY PEOPLE WHO WERE LOOKING OUT OF A WINDOW AND THEY'RE REPORTING THEIR OUTRAGE AT THE WORLD WHEN IN FACT THEY ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING IN A MIRROR.

>> I MEAN I THINK THAT'S A LEGITIMATE POINT A LOT OF FOLKS ARE CALLING THIS WHISTLEBLOWER SORT OF A TROJAN HORSE BECAUSE THERE - BUT SHE'S SHE'S BRINGING MATERIAL TO LAWMAKERS AND FACEBOOK WANTS TO SHAPE WHAT THESE NEW REGULATIONS LOOK LIKE TO BEST BENEFIT THEM.

BUT THE KEY IS SOMEHOW THEY'RE ABLE TO SQUASH SPEECH THEY DON'T LIKE, BUT THEY CAN'T GET CONTROL OVER SLAVERY THAT'S HAPPENING ON THEIR PLATFORMS.

IN GENERAL YOU'RE SEEING AN INTENTIONAL MISMANAGEMENT OF THEIR RESOURCES >> THEY REALLY DID AFFECT TEENS, THOUGH - WHAT THEY WERE DOING?

>> ABSOLUTELY AND YOU KNOW THEY KNEW - AND THAT'S THE DIFFICULT PART IS THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF MONEY A LOT OF RESEARCH THAT WENT INTO BEING ABLE TO MONETIZE WHAT HAPPENS BUT FRANKLY THEY ARE A PRIVATE COMPANY, I MEAN THEY ARE A COMPANY AND IT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY AS A PARENT TO KNOW WHAT MY KIDS ARE LOOKING AT AND THEIR INFLUENCE IS SO WIDESPREAD THAT I THINK THAT LAWMAKERS ARE JUST GETTING HANDLE ON HOW MUCH THEY'VE SHAPED OUR COMMUNITY.

>> JIM WRAP THIS UP FINAL THOUGHTS IN ABOUT 40 SECONDS.

>> IT'S GOINT TO CHANGE.

I THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF IT.

I THINK THE PUBLIC IS LOOKING AT THE WHOLE FACEBOOK SITUATION THEY'RE GETTING THEIR KIDS OFF OF IT A LOT OF A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE LEFT FACEBOOK AND I THINK A LOT OF ADULTS ARE LEAVING FACEBOOK TOO.

>> OK I WON'T COME RIGHT BACK TO TALK ABOUT THE SUPPLY - SUPPLY CHAIN CRISIS IS IMPACTING GROCERY SHELVES.

>> YES, SIR, AND THIS IS A DISASTER THAT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN SLOW TO RESPOND TO.

CALIFORNIA PORTS ARE NOT ALLOWING INDEPENDENT TRUCKERS TO COME ON SITE, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWING TRUCKS BUILT BEFORE 2014 TO COME ON SITE THAT WOULD IN EFFECT OCTOBER 1ST UNIONS CONTROL THE WORKFORCE IN THE HOURS DOCK WORKERS MAKE AN AVERAGE OF $171,000 IN CALIFORNIA PORTS AND FORM AND MAKE $282,000.

THEY FIGHT MODERNIZATION, THEY RESTRICT GROWTH.

NO US PORT IS RANKED IN THE TOP 50 PORTS IN THE WORLD.

THE PHILADELPHIA PORT IS THE HIGHEST WHEN WE HAD - IT'S RANKED 83 IN THE WORLD OAKLAND'S 332 AND LA IS 328 THE GOOD NEWS IS I TALKED TO LAURA BLAIR AT THE NORTH CAROLINA DIRECTOR OF PORTS.

AT NC PORTS, THE HOT SIGN IS ON AND THERE'S NO WAITING.

>> OKAY JAY, THIS IS JUST MORE THAN A PORT PROBLEM THOUGH ISN'T IT.

>> IT IS AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE I MEAN THIS IS A PORT ISSUE WITH THE TRUCKING ISSUE AS JIM MENTIONED IT'S IT'S NATURAL DISASTERS, ITS LABOR SHORTAGE MEAN >> THERE'S A VACCINE MANDATE FOR TRUCKERS TOO.

>> THERE IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT CONTRIBUTES ULTIMATELY TO THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES BUT THAT BUT I THINK THERE ARE 2 MESSAGES THAT WILL BE INTERESTING AS WE DEAL WITH THIS ONE IS BECAUSE THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE PREPARED FOR PROBABLY THE MOST EXPENSIVE THANKSGIVING.

EVERS ARTICLE NEW YORK TIMES TALKING ABOUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT PRICE INCREASES.

BUT SECONDLY WE'RE STARTING OUR CHRISTMAS SHOPPING EARLY RIGHT PEOPLE I THINK I THINK THERE'S AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF MEDIA COVERED NOW THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TO ENCOURAGING CONSUMERS REALLY TO START SHOPPING NOW BECAUSE OF CONCERNS ABOUT SUPPLY CHAIN.

>> THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS THERE'S TOO MUCH DEMAND AND ALSO NELSON I SAW THE JANET YELLEN SAID INFLATION IS GOING TO GO INTO MID '22 AT THE VERY LEAST.

>> AT THE VERY LEAST AND SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES OR ARE PART OF THAT AND WHEN YOU SAY WILL DEMAND IS IS A PROBLEM DEMAND IS NORMALLY NOT A PROBLEM IN THE ECONOMY.

WE DON'T WANT TO TAMP DOWN DEMAND BECAUSE SUPPLY.

THESE MULTIPLE KINKS WILL EVENTUALLY GET WORKED OUT NOW, YOU KNOW PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THERE WERE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AND STRAINS IN THE SYSTEM GLOBALLY AND NATIONALLY LONG BEFORE THE PANDEMIC CAME ALONG.

THE PANDEMIC CAME ALONG AND JUST INTENSIFIED EVERYTHING SO FOR EXAMPLE, TRUCK DRIVERS, YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES TO RAISE A 25 YEAR-OLD TRUCK DRIVER?

25 YEARS.

SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS ARE GOING TO BE CHASING US FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

AND YOU KNOW COMPANIES HAVE GOT TO WORLDWIDE HAVE GOT TO ADJUST TO DEMOGRAPHICS TOO.

THE MONUMENTAL GEOPOLITICAL CHANGES THAT ARE ACTUALLY UNDER THE WAY UNDER WAY GLOBALLY AND ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT THE PORT OF LOS ANGELES WAS IS THAT AND THE PRESIDENT'S CALL WITH ALL OF THESE FOLKS AT THE PORT AND LET'S OPEN A 24 7.

HE DIDN'T HAVE ONE PERSON IN THE ROOM FROM THE COMPANIES THAT ACTUALLY OPERATE THE PORTS BECAUSE IF HE DID THEN HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSING THE ISSUES THAT SENATOR BURGIN RAISED.

>> DONNA LOW INCOME FAMILIES ARE REALLY GOING TO GET HIT HARD BY THIS ONE FOR SURE?

>> INFLATION ALWAYS GOES TO THE LOWEST INCOME FOLKS BECAUSE IT HITS THEIR POCKET BOOK HARD.

IT WILL AT CHRISTMAS AND AT THANKSGIVING.

BUT RECENTLY THIS IS THE STRANGLEHOLD OF OUR REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT, NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE THE UNIONS CONTROLLING THE PORTS.

BUT YOU ALSO HAVE YOU KNOW THEIR CARGO AND PASSENGER PLANES THAT ARE WILLING TO CARRY CARRY GOODS AROUND THE COUNTRY THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO I THINK THAT THE PRESIDENT BIDEN CAN REALLY YOU NEED TO BE THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO STEP OUT OF HIS POLITICAL AGENDA.

COME BACK HOME.

LEAVE EUROPE AND START TELLING THE GSA TO FIND EXTRA STORAGE SPACE AND FEDERAL FACILITIES TO YOU KNOW LIFT SOME OF THESE REGULATIONS THAT ARE KEEPING THINGS JAMMED UP AT THE PORTS AND KEEPING THINGS FROM MOVING TO LOCAL STORES >> IS THAT THE REGULATIONS.

JIM.

>> IT IS A LOT OF IT IS AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE 80,000 DRIVERS SHORT AND THE MANDATE IS IN EFFECT FOR THESE GUYS, BIG COMPANIES ARE LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT NOW TALK TO THEM, THEY'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO GET THESE GUYS SHOT OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PARK MORE TRUCKS AND THE OTHER THING IS WE HAVE FEWER.

THERE IS THERE ARE SOME PORTS IN THE WORLD THAT CAN BE RUN WITH 6 PEOPLE MODERNIZATION HAS TO BE DONE IN IN US PORTS.

>> GREAT JOB, LET'S GO TO THE MOST UNDERREPORTED STORY OF THE WEEK DONNA.

>> SO TERRY MCAULIFFE CAMPAIGN OF COURSE IS HARDLY UNDERREPORTED WE'RE ALL WATCHING IT VERY CLOSELY WHAT'S HAPPENING IN VIRGINIA.

BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THEORY THAT THIS IS A TEST GROUND FOR MESSAGING FOR 2022 FOR FOR BOTH PARTIES.

IN THIS CASE, THE MCAULIFFE CAMPAIGN FOR GOVERNOR SPENT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS SETTING UP FAKE LOCAL NEWS SITES AND PUSHING OUT ADS DISGUISED AS ARTICLES AND I THINK IT GOES RIGHT BACK TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FACEBOOK AND THEY REALLY WANT TO SEE IF THESE FAKE ARTICLES OF THESE FAKE SITES ARE GOING TO GET TRACTION ONLINE BUT THEY SPENT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND IT TELLS YOU THAT 2020 WAS NOT LOST ON THE CAMPAIGN STRATEGIST FOR 2022 >> IS THIS A PREVIEW OF 2022, WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN ON SOCIAL MEDIA, >> I THINK SO I THINK THEY'RE TESTING A LOT OF THEIR STRATEGIES AND METHODS AND WE COULD PROBABLY SEE IT HERE IN NORTH CAROLINA AND THE NEXT A FEW MONTHS.

>> NO ONE MAY COME WHEN YOU CALL 911 WITH A MEDICAL EMERGENCY.

1/3 OF FIRST RESPONDERS AND PARAMEDICS ARE QUITTING HOSPITALS ARE NOW HIRING PARAMEDICS TO TAKE THE PLACE AND NURSES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HUGE HEALTH CARE CRISIS IN THIS COUNTRY WE'RE SEEING IT AND NURSES AND DOCTORS ARE BURNING OUT HIS TERM IS 2 AND A HALF MILLION ARE GOING TO BE LEAVING SO.

CALL 911 TO PRAY, >> THAT'S COMING INTO A SHOWDOWN IN NEW YORK CITY RIGHT NOW.

>> IT IS.

JAY?

>> UNDER-REP0RTED STORY FOR ME WAS ROLLING STONE MAGAZINE CAME OUT AN ARTICLE THIS WEEK ABOUT SEVERAL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS OF BEING INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN PLANNING BOTH FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S EFFORT TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION LOSS AND THE JANUARY 6TH EVENTS THAT TURNED VIOLENT.

ONE OF THOSE MEMBERS CITED IN THE ARTICLE WAS MADISON CAWTHORN THE CONGRESSMAN FROM WESTERN NORTH CAROLINA HAS BEEN AN ARDENT TRUMP SUPPORTER AND MADE FREQUENT CLAIMS ABOUT ELECTION FRAUD.

>> NELSON UNDERREPORTED PLEASE MY FRIEND?

>> THE CLIMATE CONFERENCE WILL BE IN GLASGOW WILL BE WIDELY REPORTED WHAT'S GOING TO GO ON REPORTED IS ONE CHINA, INDIA, RUSSIA AND SOME OTHER MAJOR AIR POLLUTERS WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET THERE MET NET 0 CARBON TARGETS THAT WILL CERTAINLY BE AGREED TO IN THE BY THE END OF THE CONFERENCE AND THE REALITY IS THEY CAN'T THE ECONOMICS OF COUNTRIES LIKE RUSSIA AND SAUDI ARABIA FOR EXAMPLE RELY ON HOW TO CARBON EXTRACTION YOU TAKE THAT AWAY.

YOU DON'T HAVE A COUNTRY COUNTRIES LIKE CHINA AND INDIA CAN'T AFFORD TO GO GREEN BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH COMMERCIALLY VIABLE WIND AND SOLAR AND THEY HAVE DEMOGRAPHIC ECONOMIC AND GEOPOLITICAL CHALLENGES THAT ARE REALLY A HIGHER PRIORITY FOR HIM.

CHINA RECENTLY AS YOU SAW THERE, THEY'RE OUTAGES.

THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF THEIR DILEMMA.

SO CO 2 REDUCTION IS AN IMPORTANT GLOBAL GOLD.

BUT WE REALLY NEED A MORE REALISTIC APPROACH TO FOCUS ON WAYS THAT WE CAN FRANKLY ADAPT TO A HIGHER GLOBAL TEMPERATURE.

>> JAY SHOULD THE PRESIDENT HAVE NOT GONE TO EUROPE AND STAYED HERE TO TRY TO GET HIS AGENDA THROUGH HIS BILLS THROUGH.

THAT'S KIND OF ON ALL OF THIS.

>> WELL I MEAN I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PRESIDENT TO LEAD ON CLIMATE CHANGE AND DEMONSTRATE THAT WE ARE A LEADER IN THAT, I MEAN WHAT I THINK I THINK WHAT WAS UNEXPECTED AND DISAPPOINTING IS THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE A INFRASTRUCTURE BILL THAT PASSED THE ISSUES WITH HIS OWN CAUCUS.

I THINK ULTIMATELY IT HE WILL HAVE THE JUICE TO GET THE CAUCUS THERE.

IT'S JUST TAKING LONGER THAN I THINK PEOPLE EXPECTED IT TO >> OK, LET'S GO TO LIGHTNING ROUND WHO'S UP AND WHO'S DOWN THIS WEEK.

>> UP FOR SURE IS ENERGY PRICES.

AVERAGE GAS PRICES ARE UP MORE THAN 50% OVER THIS TIME LAST YEAR AND NOW THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD ENERGY BILL WILL BE ABOUT 30% HIGHER THIS WINTER THAN IT WAS LAST WINTER, THERE'S A HUGE WEIGHT ON THE ECONOMY AND IT'S REALLY ADDRESS THE PEOPLE OF NORTH DOESN'T IT DOES IT IMPACTS A PARTICULARLY LOW INCOME HOUSES AND PRICES WHEN WE GO INTO THE HOLIDAYS.

DOWN AS A PUBLIC CONFIDENCE IN THE ECONOMY SPEECH RIGHT TO THE EXACT SAME THING.

A GALLUP POLL OF INDEPENDENT VOTERS SAID ABOUT 72% OF THEM THINK OUR ECONOMY IS ACTUALLY GETTING WORSE.

>> VIRGINIA, THE VIRGINIA RACE THAT'S THE ECONOMY AND EDUCATION ARE TOP TEAR ISSUES THAT THEY ARE AND THAT INDEPENDENT THAT UNAFFILIATED VOTERS GOING TO BE CRITICAL >> JIM?

>> HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE RATES COULD GO UP DOUBLE DIGITS NEXT YEAR NUMBER OF NATURAL DISASTERS WILDFIRES, BUILDING MATERIALS, LABOR.

REINSURANCE ARE ALL IMPACTING THE INDUSTRY WE'VE SEE FLOOD REACH TRIPLE IN SOME PLACES COULD BE A LOT OF EXPENSIVE THINGS HAPPEN NEXT YEAR, OK DOW DOWN.

SO THE CIVILITY AND PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

I THINK WE NEED TO CHOOSE NOT TO BE OFFENDED.

THERE'S THERE'S SO YOU ON THE INTERNET GOT TO WATCH THE.

I THINK WE NEED MORE TENDER WITH EACH OTHER WE NEED TO BE WE REALLY DO NEED TO EXHIBIT CHRISTIAN ACTIONS WITH EACH OTHER ENOUGH FOR HIM SENATOR CHARTER GET ALONG GREAT.

WE HAVE GREAT CONVERSATIONS WE WORK TOGETHER AND I WISH EVERYBODY WOULD.

>> I SECOND THAT.

WHO'S UP AND WHO'S DOWN THIS WEEK?

WELL THERE'S THAT WE WE'VE GOT SOME GREAT HAVE SOME GOOD NEWS IS A LOT OF DOWN GOING ON HERE.

SO WHAT'S UP OR ACTUALLY JOBS IN NORTH CAROLINA, THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IN THE STATE IS ACTUALLY DECLINED FOR EVERY MONTH FOR THE PAST YEAR THE JOBLESS RIGHT NOW NORTH CAROLINA'S, 4.2% IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT OUR UNEMPLOYMENT RATE WAS 3 OF 13.5% DURING THE PANDEMIC AND DOWN UNFORTUNATELY MORK WAS A STATE FAIR ATTENDANTS.

THE STATE FAIR SAW ITS LOWEST ATTENDANCE SINCE 2008 THAT CERTAINLY HAS TO BE ATTRIBUTED TO THE PANDEMIC.

>> WE PREDICTED THAT BY THE WAY.

WHO'S UP A TAX SCHEMES IN CONGRESS AND ALTHOUGH WE'LL TAXES IN THE OLD FASHION RATE INCREASES HAVE BEEN SHOT DOWN BY SENATOR SINEMA AND MANCHIN BY THE CONGRESS ARE STILL FINDING WAYS TO RAISE ABOUT 2 BILLION IN TAX IS ONE OF THE LARGEST INCREASES SINCE WORLD WAR 2.

AND I WOULD JUST ADD THAT TAX AND CAPITAL AND WHILE INFLATION IS ON THE RISE IS A RECIPE FOR SLOWER ECONOMY NEXT YEAR, HE'S DOWN WIND ENERGY IN THE HOST COUNTRY FOR THE CLIMATE CONFERENCE DUE TO SOME VERY UNUSUAL CALM WINDS IN BRITAIN.

THIS THIS YEAR.

ENERGY WIND ENERGY PRODUCTION WHICH IS ABOUT 20 FOLKS AND THEIR ELECTRICITY IS DOWN 70%.

THEY'RE HAVING TO BRING GAS PLANTS BACK ON WATCH TO SEE WHAT ELON MUSK SAID ABOUT THE WEALTH PASS THE BILLIONAIRE TAX HE HAS BETTER WAY TO SPEND HIS MONEY.

HEADLINE NEXT WEEK?

>> I THINK EVERYBODY'S WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT CONGRESSIONAL MAPS IN CONGRESSIONAL RACES AMONG THEM.

DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR THE 7TH DISTRICT MARK JOHNSON TWEETED THIS WEEK THAT HE COMPARED REPUBLICANS TO WORSE THEN 20 TERRORISTS IN AIRPLANES AND I THINK IT WILL SEE INCREASED PRESSURE ON SOME OF THESE CANDIDATES TO CLEAN UP THEIR ACT.

>> THERE'S REALLY NO ISSUES FROM TIME TO TIME.

THE STUFF IS OKAY.

>> HEADLINE NEXT WEEK MY FRIEND, REPUBLICANS WIN VIRGINIA.

NO MATTER THE OUTCOME GOING TO SEE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO BE FIRED UP FOR 2022 IF FOR THE ELECTION TO BE THIS CLOSE IN THE STATE THE PRES, THE PRESIDENT BIDEN WON BY 10 POINTS.

THIS IS HARD TO BELIEVE.

>> I GOT TO TELL YOU THERE'S NO SECOND PLACE IN POLITICS.

JAY?

>> I'LL TAKE A DIFFERENT HEADLINE THAN MY FRIEND HERE AND SAY THAT THE GOVERNOR TERRY MCAULIFFE AND THE AND THE VIRGINIA HOUSE EEKS OUT A VICTORY, BUT THERE CERTAINLY ARE SOME WARNING SIGNS FOR DEMOCRATS >> WHERE OUR COLLEAGUE MORGAN JACKSON SAYS THERE'S BEEN A PERPONDERANCE OF EARLY VOTING BY DEMOCRATS.

HAVE YOU SEEN THAT?

>> I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT, BUT I WOULDN'T BE A SURPRISE AND YOU KNOW GIVEN THAT I'VE GIVEN THE FACT THAT POLLING MAY BE OFF THIS MAY BE ONE OF THOSE INSTANCES THAT WORKS IN FAVOR FOR DEMOCRAT DOESN'T CHANGE BIDEN'S AGENDA.

IF REPUBLICANS WIN THERE DOES HE LOSE MOMENTUM.

I THINK IT HE HAS TO REALLY FOCUS ON THE ECONOMY.

I MEAN I I THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT COVID AND FIND THE VACCINE.

BUT I THINK YOU REALLY GOT TO FOCUS ON THE ECONOMY GOING HEADLINE NEXT WEEK.

>> DIRE PREDICTIONS FROM THE CLIMATE CONFERENCE >> WHAT'S THE PREDICTIONS?

>> THE PREDICTIONS ARE GOING TO BE IF YOU READ THE LATEST ARTICLE IN FOREIGN AFFAIRS, I MEAN THEY ARE THEY'RE THINKING YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF GLOBAL ENTITY CREATED SOME SORT OF YOU KNOW GLOBAL STRUCTURES INSTITUTIONS TO COMBAT CLIMATE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE HUNDREDS OF TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF INVESTMENT.

IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE, BUT NOT REALISTIC.

>> GREAT PHOTO OP.

AND ANYWAY THAT'S IT FOR US.

THANKS FOR WATCHING HOPE TO SEE YOU NEXT WEEK ON FRONT ROW.

HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

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