[♪♪♪] >> GNGS AND WELCOME TO "CHICAGO TONIGHT."

I'M BRANDIS FRIEDMAN.

>> I'M PARIS SCHUTZ.

ON THE SHOW TONIGHT.

>> YOU DON'T WANT TO HELP SAVE THE COUNTRY GET OUT OF THE WAY.

>> THE PRESIDENT'S PRIORITIES ARE GETTING PARED DOWN AS DEMOCRATS DUKE IT OUT.

>> AFTER A VOLATILE PRESIDENTIAL TRANSITION INCLUDING THE JANUARY 6 CAPITOL RIOT, THE PERIL REMAIN.

AUTHOR ROBERT COSTA WEIGHS IN.

>> DIVISIVE BEHAVIORS ARE ONLY THE BEGINNING.

>> WHISTLE FRANCES HAUGEN GIVES POWERFUL TESTIMONY ABOUT Facebook's ALLEGED GREED PLUS THERE WAS A IMAGE OUTAGE THAT CRIPPLED Facebook's PLATFORMS.

>> AND A LOOK AT THE FUTURE OF CITIES.

CHICAGO IN PARTICULAR IN A POST COVID AND CLIMATE CHANGE CHALLENGED WORLD.

>> BUT FIRST, SOME OF TODAY'S TOP STORIES... >> COOK COUNTY STATE'S ATTORNEY KIM FOXX IS RESPONDING IN PERSON TODAY TO THE MAYOR'S CRITICISM FROM YESTERDAY THAT FOXX'S OFFICE SHOULD BE BRINGING CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN A DEADLY WEST SIDE SHOOT OUT FRIDAY MORNING.

TODAY FOXX CALLED FOR AN END TO FINGER POINTING AND TRYING CASES IN THE MEDIA SAYING THE MAYOR'S COMMENTS COULD JEOPARDIZE FUTURE CHARGES THAT COME FROM THE SHOOTING.

>> THAT [INAUDIBLE] THERE WAS A SHOOTOUT IN AUSTIN.

OUR NUMBER ONE CONCERN SHOULD BE GETTING THE PEOPLE PROSECUTED NOT A HEADLINE TURNING ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE FACT [INAUDIBLE] >> YESTERDAY DURING AN UNRELATED EVENT MAYOR LORI LIGHTFOOT A FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR HERSELF BELIEVES BASED ON WHAT SHE'S HEARD THERE IS ENOUGH EVIDENCE FOR CHARGES.

>> PARENTS OF CHICAGO PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENTS WILL BE ABLE TO SEND THEIR KIDS BACK TO SCHOOL SOONER IF THEY HAVE TO QUARANTINE BECAUSE OF A CLOSE CONTACT BECAUSE OF A POSITIVE CASE IN SCHOOL.

PEDOR MARTINEZ MADE THE ANNOUNCEMENT WITH Dr. ALLISON ARWADY STUDENT ALSO NEED TO QUARANTINE FOR 10 DAYS INSTEAD OF 14 STARTING THIS SATURDAY.

MARTINEZ SAYS THE DISTRICT IS NOW UP TO SURVEILLANCE TESTING IN NEARLY ALL SCHOOLS.

>> THE CHALLENGE, THOUGH, IS THAT AS I'VE SEEN MORE AND MORE CONSENT FORMS BEING SIGNED THE REAL QUESTION IS HOW QUICK CAN WE RAMP UP AS WE ARE GETTING MORE INDIVIDUALS WANTING TO GET TESTED.

THAT'S THE CHALLENGE.

AGAIN, YOU AM HEARTENED BY THE FACT THAT WE WENT FROM JUST UNDER 8,000 TESTS TO 15,000 TESTS.

>> AND Dr. ALLISON ARWADY SAYS SO FAR FEWER THAN 2% OF STUDENTS WHO ARE A CLOSE CONTACT WITH A POSITIVE CASE EVER POSSIBLE TEST POSITIVE THEMSELVES.

>> JUSSE SMOLLETT WILL STAND TRIAL THREE YEARS AFTER HIS ARREST AFTERRALLEDLY ORCHESTRATING A HOAX ATTACK ON HIMSELF.

A JURY SELECTION WILL BEGIN ON NOVEMBER 27.

SMOLLETT FACES FEDERALLY DISORDERLY CONDUCT CHARGES FOR FALSELY CLAIMING HE WAS ATTACKED IN THE WINTER OF 2019.

HE WAS CHARGED AT THE TIME THE STATE'S ATTORNEY DISMISSED THE CHARGES IN A SCRUTINIZED MOVE.

A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR IS PURSUING THE CURRENT CHARGES.

>> UP NEXT THE LATEST FROM CAPITOL HILL WITH LOCAL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS.

STAY WITH US.

>> Announcer: "CHICAGO TONIGHT" IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY... >> CONGRESS HAS TWO WEEKS TO LIFT THE DEBT CEILING AND PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN'S PRIORITIES ARE BEING PARED DOWN A BIT IN THE $3.5 TRILLION SOCIAL SPENDING BILL AMID INFIGHTING AMONG DEMOCRATS.

WILL THE TWO FACTIONS REACH COMPROMISE?

JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND MUCH MORE ARE CONGRESSMAN BILL FOSTER, CONGRESSWOMAN ROBIN KELLY A DEMOCRAT, CONGRESSWOMAN MARIE NEWMAN A DEMOCRAT FROM CHICAGO'S SOUTHWEST SIDE AND CONGRESSMAN MIKE QUIGLEY A DEMOCRAT FROM CHICAGO'S NORTH SIDE.

WE INVITED ALL THE REPUBLICANS IN ILLINOIS' CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION, NONE ACCEPTED OUR INVITATION TONIGHT BUT WE THANK THE FOUR OF YOU FOR BEING BACK HERE WITH US.

REPRESENTATIVE KELLY I WILL START WITH YOU, JANET YELLEN WARNED OF A POSSIBLE RECESSION IF ACTION ON THE DEBT CEILING ISN'T TAKEN.

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT POLITICAL GRIDLOCK WILL LEAD TO DEFAULTING ON THE U.S. DEBT?

>> WELL, I ALWAYS SAY I'M AN OPTIMIST SO I BELIEVE WE ARE GOING TO GET THIS DONE.

I DON'T THINK THE REPUBLICANS WANT TO BE BLAMED FOR IT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE THEIR FAULT IF WE DIDN'T GET IT DONE.

I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET THIS DONE.

>> AND LET'S HEAR FROM SENATE MINORITY LEADER MITCH McCONNELL HE SAID DEMOCRATS WILL NEED TO GO IT ALONE RAISING THE DEBT LIMIT USING THE RECONCILIATION PROCESS AND HERE IS WHAT TWO SENATE LEADERS SAID YESTERDAY ABOUT THAT.

>> WE AREN'T ASKING REPUBLICANS TO VOTE YES EVEN THOUGH IT'S DEBT THAT THEY INCURED.

WE ARE ASKING THAT THEY GET OUT OF THE WAY.

>> THE MAJORITY DOESN'T NEED OUR VOTES.

THEY JUST WANT TO PARTISAN A BIPARTISAN SHORTCUT AROUND PROCEDURAL HURDLES.

>> REPRESENTATIVE NEWMAN DO YOU THINK REPUBLICANS WILL STICK WITH THREATS OF FILIBUSTERING A DEBT CEILING VOTE?

>> I THINK THAT THEY VERY WELL COULD.

AGAIN I AM AN OPTIMIST, TOO, I HOPE THEY WILL TAKE THE MORAL AND PRUDENT PATH AND PASS IT WITH US AND JOIN US AND DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR AMERICANS.

BUT WE NEVER KNOW.

>> CONGRESSMAN QUIGLEY DO YOU SEE ANY END GAME ANY TALKS BEHIND THE SCENES WHAT THE END GAME OF THIS IS?

>> LOOK I DON'T KNOW WHAT NEGOTIATIONS YOU CAN HAVE.

THIS IS THE FULL FAITH AND CREDIT OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT AT STAKE.

NATIONAL, INTERNATIONAL MARKETS ARE AT STAKE.

YOU HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.

I'M PERHAPS NOT AS OPTIMISTIC.

THIS IS A NEW BREED OF REPUBLICANS WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE WHO THINKS THAT GAMBLE IS OK THOUGH THEY ARE PARTICIPATE TREE ARC RONALD REAGAN SAID DOING THIS IS UNCONSCIONABLE AND HE STRONGLY ADVISED AGAINST DOING ANYTHING SO DANGEROUS.

>> THIS IS OCCURRING AS DEBATE GOES ON ON THE TWO MAJOR PIECES OF THE PRESIDENT'S ECONOMIC AGENDA.

THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL WAS PULLED LAST WEEK.

CONGRESSMAN BILL FOSTER THE PRESIDENT HAS HAD MEETINGS ON CAPITOL HILL WITH CONGRESSMEN WHAT HAVE THE MEETINGS BEEN LIKE?

>> WELL, LOOK HE JUST REMINDED US WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER AS DEMOCRATS.

AND THE INFIGHTING THE QUOTE-UNQUOTE INFIGHTING AMONG HOUSE MEMBERS IS NOT INFIGHTING IT IS A DISCUSSION OVER TACTICS.

THE FRUSTRATION IS WITH A COUPLE SENATORS WHO I THINK ARE MISREADING WHAT IS THE BEST FOR THE PEOPLE THAT THEY REPRESENT.

AND ARE TRYING TO WHITTLE DOWN SOMETHING THAT IS SUPPORTED BY A VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS.

THE HOUSE WILL DO WHAT IS NECESSARY TO GET BOTH OF THESE PASSED AND I HOPE THAT THE SENATE DOES LIKEWISE.

>> CONGRESSWOMAN KELLY IS IT THE CASE THAT THE TWO BILLS THE BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL AND THAT LARGER SOCIAL SPENDING BILL ARE LINKED OR COULD THEY BE VOTE ON SEPARATE?

>> CONGRESSWOMAN KELLY.

>> I'M SORRY.

I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.

I GOT CUTOFF.

I COULD SEE BOTH WAYS.

I COULD SEE THEM BEING VOTED ON SEPARATE.

I THINK NEGOTIATIONS ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT OPINIONS IN THE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS OR THEY COULD BE TOGETHER.

I KIND OF SEE THEM MORE SEPARATE BUT CLOSE TOGETHER NOT TOGETHER.

BUT I'M REALLY NOT SURE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THINGS CHANGE ALL THE TIME.

BUT I KNOW THE SPEAKER WANTS THE BILLS CALLED BY THE END OF THE MONTH.

>> AND CONGRESSWOMAN NEWMAN IS YOU PART OF THE PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS AND THERE'S CONSENSUS THE FINAL TALLY WILL NOT BE 3.5 TRILLION.

WHAT REMAINS IN THE BILL AND WHAT GETS LEFT OUT?

>> WHAT IS IMPORTANT -- IT'S NOT ABOUT THE NUMBER WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THAT WE HAVE OUR PRIORITIES IN THERE.

THE CARING NETWORK AND AFFORDABLE HOUSE, CLIMATE ACTION PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP AND MORE MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE FOR OUR SENIORS AND BRING DRUG PRICES DOWN.

LOWERING TAXES.

THOSE ARE OUR PRIORITIES.

AND CUTTING CHILD POVERTY.

GETTING OUR PRIORITIES IN THERE IS VERY IMPORTANT.

THE NUMBER IS LESS IMPORTANT.

THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO ACCOMMODATE A NEGOTIATION.

AND THAT IS WHAT THIS IS.

THIS IS A REALLY LARGE AND LONGER THAN WE WANTED NEGOTIATION.

AND WHEN YOU DO THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO COMPROMISE AND WE'RE ALL WILLING TO DO THIS.

WE'RE HEARING TODAY THAT SENATOR SINEMA AND Mr. MANCHIN ARE GIVING IN A LITTLE.

I THINK THERE'S PROGRESS.

>> AND THOSE ARE THE TWO MODERATES IN THE SENATE THAT HAVE BEEN OPPOSED TO THE 3.5 TRILLION NUMBER.

CONGRESSMAN QUIGLEY, IS THERE AN IDEA OF WHAT THOSE TWO SENATORS WOULD AGREE TO THAT COULD ALSO GET AGREEMENT FROM PROGRESSIVES?

>> LOOK, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE PRESIDENT SAID TO US IN CAUCUS WAS IF YOU DON'T COMPROMISE YOU GET ZERO.

AND IN THE END THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS A BIG TENT BUT IN THE FINAL ANALYSIS WE USUALLY GET THESE THINGS DONE.

THIS IS A CHANCE TO CHANGE THINGS.

GHANDI WROTE THAT A TRUE MEASURE OF SOCIETY IS HOW WE HANDLE OUR MOST VULNERABLE.

THIS EXTENDS THE CHILD TAX CREDIT PULLING HALF OF THEM OUT OF POVERTY AND EXPANDS MEDICARE FOR SENIORS TO INCLUDE DENTAL AND VISION IT IS A BIG MOMENT TO COME TO THOSE TERMS.

THE LEADER OF THE HOUSE PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS SOUNDED OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THE PROSPECTS.

>> SIX MINUTES, SIX DAY SIX WEEKS.

WE NEED TIME TO NEGOTIATE.

THERE WAS A LOT OF TIME TO NEGOTIATE THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL AND THERE WERE SKEPTICS I'M HAPPY TO BE WRONG ABOUT THAT.

NOW WE NEED TIME TO NEGOTIATE ON THIS BUILD BACK BETTER ACT AND I BELIEVE WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

>> CONGRESSMAN FOSTER WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE ELEMENTS IN A FINAL BILL HERE THAT THOSE TWO SENATORS WOULD AGREE TO THAT WOULD GET AGREEMENT FROM PROGRESSIVES?

>> WELL, THE BASELINE PROPOSAL THE 3.5 TRILLION PROPOSAL IS HONESTLY PAID FOR.

AND IT PUTS IN PLACE PERMANENTLY THINGS WILL CHANGE LIVES FOR FAMILIES BETTER IN THE UNITED STATES.

IF WE ARE FORCED TO A LOWER TOP LINE NUMBER WE HAVE TO GO TO HIGHER RISK STRATEGIES TO MAKE THE BENEFITS TIME OUT TO MAKE THE TEN-YEAR NUMBER SMALLER.

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THINGS WE PREFER NOT TO DO ON APPROPRIATELY PAYING FOR THESE ON A NECESSARY TIME SCALE.

THERE WILL BE MORE MY WORRY IS THERE WILL BE MORE SORT OF SHENANIGANS IN HOW YOU SCORE THIS THING INSTEAD OF THE HONEST SOLID FULLY PAID FOR PROPOSITION THAT IS REALLY PRESIDENT BIDEN'S PLAN.

>> AND CONGRESSWOMAN KELLY HOW IS IT PAID FOR SINCE THE PRESIDENT SAYS IT'S RAISING TAXES ON THE HIGHEST EARNERS BUT REPUBLICANS SAY IT WILL DING MIDDLE CLASS EARNERS?

>> WELL, ANYONE MAKING LESS THAN $400,000 THEIR TAXES WILL NOT GO UP AND BUSINESSES, CORPORATIONS WILL START PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE.

THERE ARE SOME BUSINESSES THAT HAVE PAID NOTHING AND WE HAVE TO CHANGE THAT.

PEOPLE AND BUSINESSES HAVE TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE AND THAT IS HOW IT WILL BE PAID FOR.

>> ALL RIGHT WE WILL LEAVE THIS DISCUSSION HERE FOR NOW BUT WE JOINED BY OUR GUESTS TO DISCUSS MORE ON DEMOCRATIC HOLD OUT SENATORS KIRSTEN SINEMA AND JOE MANCHIN THANKS TO BILL FOFLTER, MARIE NEWMAN AND ROBIN KELLY AND MIKE QUIGLEY.

>> AND A LOOK AT THE CONTROVERSY ONE SOCIAL MEDIA GIANT IS FACING.

BRANDIS?

>> SOCIAL MEDIA USERS WERE STOPPED IN THEIR TRACKS YESTERDAY AS THE WORLDWIDE OUTAGE PREVENTING THEM FROM ACCESSING FACEBOOK, INSTAGRAM AND WHATSAPP AND THIS HAPPENED A DAY AFTER FACEBOOK WHISTLE BLOWER FRANCES HAUGEN CAME FORWARD IN AN INTERVIEW WITH 60 MINUTES ALLEGING THE COMPANY KNEW THE PLATFORM ALLOWED HATE AND VIOLENCE AND MISINFORMATION TO RUN RAMPANT AND ONLY CARED ABOUT THE BOTTOM LINE.

JOINING US TO DISCUSS THE OUTAGE AND WHISTLE BLOWER FRANCES HAUGEN'S FACEBOOK INTERVIEW AND TESTIMONY ARE JACOB FURST, DIRECTOR OF THE SCHOOL OF COMPUTING AT DePAUL UNIVERSITY AND KRISTIAN HAMMOND A PROFESSOR AT NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

SO JACOB LET'S START WITH YOU.

WE KNOW ABOUT THE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS THAT EXPERIENCED THE OUTAGE A DAY AFTER FRANCES HAUGEN CAME FORWARD.

AND REVEALED HERSELF WITH HER 60 MINUTES INTERVIEW.

DO YOU THINK THIS OUTAGE WAS A COINCIDENCE?

>> NOT FOR A MOMENT IT'S ENTIRELY TOO TIMELY.

I EXPECT IT.

FACEBOOK WAS PROBABLY GOING INTO DAMAGE CONTROL MODE.

AND SOMEONE FLIPPED A SWITCH THAT THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE.

OR MAYBE THEY ACTUALLY DELIBERATELY SHUTDOWN TO PREVENT ACCESS WHILE THEY WERE IN DAMAGE CONTROL.

>> KRISTIAN HAMMOND WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT?

>> I THINK THAT IT WAS A MISTAKE IT WAS AN ACCIDENT.

I HAVE MY OWN ISSUES WITH FACEBOOK.

BUT I DON'T THINK THEY ARE ENOUGH TO SHOW HOW INCREDIBLE POWERFUL THEY ARE BY TURNING OFF THE LIGHTS.

SO I THINK THAT THERE'S NOT A DEEP CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO.

>> WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO WHAT FRANCES HAUGEN HAS SAID?

>> I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE WERE ALL AWARE OF.

BUT FOR ME, THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT WE NOW ARE HAVING A SET OF ISSUES THAT FACEBOOK HAS ABOUT THE DECISIONS FACEBOOK HAS MADE BEING BROUGHT TO THE FORE AND NOW WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE DATA THEY USE AND THE ALGORITHM AND I THINK MORE IMPORTANT, THE NATURE OF THE INTERACTIONS THAT THEY HELP SUPPORT.

WHICH BY THEIR NATURE SEEM TO BE QUITE ADDICTIVE.

AND IN MANY WAYS HARMFUL OF THEMSELVES INDEPENDENT OF HATE SPEECH JUST KEEPING PEOPLE ADDICTED AND LOCKED IN.

AND THEN PROVIDING THEM WITH CONTENT WHICH ON THE FACE OF IT LOOKS BENIGN.

BUT CAN DRIVE THEM INTO A SORT OF NEGATIVE IMPACT IN TERMS OF THEIR OPINIONS OF THEMSELVES.

>> TODAY HAUGEN TESTIFIED TO DEMAND THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IMPOSE REGULATIONS ON FACEBOOK AND OTHER ON-LINE SPACES.

HERE IS WHAT SHE SAID.

>> THESE PROBLEMS ARE SOLVABLE.

A SAFER, FREE SPEECH RESPECTING MORE ENJOYABLE SOCIAL MEDIA IS POSSIBLE.

BUT THERE'S ONE THING THAT I HOPE EVERYONE TAKES AWAY FROM THESE DISCLOSURES IS THAT FACEBOOK CAN CHANGE BUT IS NOT GOING TO DO SO ON ITS OWN.

MY FEAR IS THAT WITHOUT ACTION, DIVISIVE AND EXTREMIST BEHAVIORS ARE ONLY THE BEGINNING.

>> AND KRISTIAN HAMMOND BACK TO YOU WHEN LOOKING AT THE WAY SOCIAL MEDIA OPERATES SHOULD THAT CONTENT BE REGULATED BY THE GOVERNMENT?

AND HOW SO?

>> I ACTUALLY THINK THAT REGULATION IS MAKES SENSE.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS RIGHT NOW I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY IN A POSITION OF POWER IN THE GOVERNMENT WHO WOULD KNOW WHAT TO REGULATE.

AND I MEAN WE TALK ABOUT THE HATE SPEECH AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY PUT IN FILTERS AND GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO TRY TO REMOVE THAT HATE SPEECH.

BUT FORGETTING ABOUT HATE SPEECH OR FAKE NEWS, THERE REALLY IS THIS PROBLEM OF TRUTHFULLY OF ADDICTIVE INTERACTION AND HAVING PEOPLE LIVING IN A WORLD WHERE THEY ARE COMPARING SOMEBODY ELSE'S CURATED VERSION OF THEIR EXPERIENCES AGAINST THEIR OWN AND DRIVING DOWN THEIR SELF-ESTEEM.

AND THE PROBLEM IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE NEED TO DO, THE QUESTION IS: WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING?

WE DON'T HAVE TRANSPARENCY AROUND DATA, ALGORITHMS WE DON'T YOU HAD THE NATURE OF THE INTERACTIONS.

SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD REGULATE.

BUT AGAIN, THIS IS WE'RE OPENING UP THE CONVERSATION.

AND AS LONG AS WE CAN STOP TALKING ABOUT JUST LIKE FAKE NEWS, AND REALIZE THAT IS NOT THE PROBLEM.

THE PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU GIVE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT, IT TURNS OUT WHAT THEY WANT IS MORE AND MORE SUGAR IN THEIR CEREAL AND IT'S BAD FOR THEM AND YOU HAVE TO FIGURE A WAY TO MODIFY THAT.

>> DO YOU THINK IT'S POSSIBLE TO HAVE SAFE ON-LINE SPACE?

>> IT IS.

I DISAGREE WITH CHRISTIAN, I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THAT FACEBOOK CONTENT IS LARGELY DRIVEN FROM FACEBOOK USERS.

AND SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT JUST GIVING PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT BUT ALLOWING THEM TO SAY WHAT THEY WILL.

SO IT'S MORE THAN JUST REGULATING FACEBOOK.

IT'S ALSO MANAGING HOW PEOPLE INTERACT ON-LINE.

AND I WILL AGREE WITH CHRISTIAN IN THE SENSE WE KNOW THAT ON-LINE BEHAVIOR IS GENERALLY BAD.

THERE ARE LOTS OF REASONS.

WE KNOW WHY PEOPLE BEHAVE BADLY ON-LINE ON THOSE THE ARE ISSUES WE NEED TO ADDRESS.

>> AND JACOB, INSTAGRAM IS THE OTHER PIECE OF THE PUZZLE.

SOME CLAIMING IT IS THE SOURCE OF HARM FOR YOUNG GIRLS AND WE'RE LEARNING MORE ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE BELIEVE IS HAPPENING.

HOW CAN WE KEEP YOUNG WOMEN SAFE ON-LINE?

>> I THINK IT IS A CURATED EXPERIENCES WE SEE ON-LINE ARE NOT REAL EXPERIENCES BUT OUR FIRST REACTION IS THAT THEY ARE REAL AND THIS IS REALITY TV.

IT IS NOT SCRIPTED SO IT MUST BE REAL WHEN IT'S NOT.

SO OK I GIVE YOU THE EASY ANSWER SHUTDOWN INSTAGRAM BUT IT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEMS.

WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING IT BOTH AS CONSUMERS AND PRODUCERS.

AND UNDERSTAND HOW TO MANAGE THE DISCREPANCIES THAT EXIST.

>> AND WE'VE GOT 45 SECONDS.

CHRISTIAN WHAT MIGHT SOCIAL MEDIA LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE IF WE SEE CHANGES COME OF THIS?

>> WELL, I MEAN I THINK THAT THERE IS A LITTLE THING THAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ARE WATCHING NETFLIX IT ASKS YOU IF YOU ARE STILL WATCHING AND MAKES SURE THAT YOU ARE NOT WATCHING BLINDLY.

AND FOR SOCIAL MEDIA, I MEAN, THE ENGAGEMENT IS WHAT THE COMPANIES WANT BUT FINDING WAYS TO ACTUALLY LIMIT THAT ENGAGEMENT WHICH MEANS NOT MAKING A MUCH MONEY, BUT LIMITING THAT ENGAGEMENT AND MAKING SURE THAT THE ENGAGEMENT IS NOT ADDICTIVE, IS NOT AIMING -- IT LOOKS BENIGN CONTENT AT THEM -- AND MAKING SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN'T ASK PEOPLE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEMSELVES IF WHAT WE'RE DOING IS ACTUALLY BUILDING SYSTEMS THAT STRIP THEM OF THAT RESPONSIBILITY.

AND SO THE FUTURE I THINK THE FUTURE OF SOCIAL MEDIA IS QUESTIONABLE.

AND WE HAVE TO DISCONNECT THE BUSINESS MODEL FROM ADDICTIVE AND HARMFUL BEHAVIORS.

>> COMPLICATED QUESTION FOR A COMPLICATED AND TOIC.

THANKS TO JACOB FURST AND KRISTIAN HAMMOND FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> AND LATER IN THE PROGRAM WE'LL HEAR MORE FROM LOCAL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND THEIR TAKE ON REGULATING FACEBOOK.

BUT FIRST, A LOOK AT THE FUTURE OF CITIES IN A POST COVID AND CLIMATE CHANGE CHALLENGED WORLD.

THAT IS RIGHT AFTER THIS.

THIS MONTH THE UNIVERSITY OF OF CHICAGO IS HOSTING IN THE WAKE OF A PANDEMIC THAT EXPOSED INEQUITIES AROUND THE GLOBE AND HERE IN CHICAGO.

THE GOAL IS TO HELP FOCUS ATTENTION ON THE WORK BEING DONE TO TRANSFORM THE CITIES OF THE FUTURE AND CHICAGO IN PARTICULAR IN A POST COVID AND WORLD THAT HAS S CHANGED BY -- CHALLENGED BY CLIMATE CHANGE.

JOINING US TO SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS ARE THREE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO SPECIALISTS.

AMEYA PAWAR FORMER ALDERMAN OF THE 47TH WARD A SENIOR ADVISER AT THE INCLUSIVE ECONOMY LAB.

SABINA SHAIKH, DIRECTOR OF U CHICAGO'S PROGRAM ON THE GLOBAL ENVIRONMENT AND LUIS BETTENCOURT DIRECTOR OF THE MANSUETO INSTITUTE FOR GLOBAL INNOVATION THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

SO AMEYA PAWAR WELCOME BACK.

LET'S START WITH YOU, PLEASE.

WHAT LESSONS SHOULD THE CITY BE TAKING FROM THIS PANDEMIC IN ORDER TO WE HEAR THIS PHRASE A LOT TO BUILD BACK BETTER?

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

I THINK IT IS A GREAT QUESTION.

THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAY THAT WE CAN LEARN FROM THE PANDEMIC THAT LAID BARE THE CONNECTED CRISES OF POVERTY AND INEQUALITY, THE RACIAL WEALTH GAPS AND CLIMATE CHANGE IS THAT WHEN YOU PROVIDE PEOPLE WITH UNPRECEDENTED AMOUNT OF AID, CASH, AND YOU REFORM SYSTEMS LIKE SNAP, YOU CHANGE THE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN LANDLORDS AND TENANTS AND YOU LIFT EVERY COMMUNITY UP THAT YOU CREATE MORE RESILIENT COMMUNITIES AND WHAT WITH WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS SINCE THE PANDEMIC STARTED IS POVERTY RATES DECREASE BECAUSE OF UNPRECEDENTED HELP.

AND A CITY SHOULD BE PROPELLING THOSE EFFORTS WITH GUARANTEED INCOME, PUBLIC OPTION FOR HOUSING AND BANKING AND CHILDCARE AND CONTINUE THIS WORK TO REBUILD AND BUILD BACK BETTER.

>> LUIS BETTENCOURT, ONE IMPACT OF THE PANDEMIC IS TO HAVE ACCELERATED A TREND TOWARDS MORE PEOPLE WORKING FROM HOME.

FEWER PEOPLE WORKING DOWNTOWN.

DO YOU THINK THAT IS LIKELY TO BE A PERMANENT CHANGE?

AND HOW SHOULD CITIES BE PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE WITH THAT IN MIND?

>> YES.

WELL, THANK YOU.

I THINK IT IS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.

SEEING HOW IT PANS OUT.

BUT CITIES ARE BUILT OUT OF THE BALANCE BETWEEN WHERE PEOPLE LIVE AND WORK.

AND INCREASING OVER THE LAST DECADES WE'VE SEPARATED THE SPACES MORE AND MORE WITH LARGER SUBURBS.

WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE PANDEMIC IS A LOT OF OFFICE WORK THAT HAPPENS DOWNTOWN AND PARTICULARLY IN CHICAGO HAPPENS DOWNTOWN, IS NOT HAVING IT THERE.

WE'RE SEEING VACANCY RATES IN THE LOOP AT LEAST THAT ARE ABOUT 30-40% OF THE OCCUPANCY AND THE REST IS UNOCCUPIED AND THAT THE IS A MAJOR TRANSFORMATION FOR THE CITY AND THIS IS HAPPENING THROUGHOUT MANY OTHER CITIES IN THE WORLD THAT WELL EQUIPPED WITH TECHNOLOGY.

SO YOU HAVE TO IMAGINE SORT OF THE KNOCK DOWN EFFECTS OF THAT NOT ONLY IN FOR REAL ESTATE, FOR SERVICES, FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE SEA LIFE AND THE WEB OF SOCIAL LIFE, CIVIC LIFE AND BUSINESSES THAT KIND OF HOLD THE CITY TOGETHER.

SO IT'S POTENTIALLY A LARGE CRISIS AND A CRISIS THAT MAY HAVE REPERCUSSIONS THAT ARE SLOWER TO DO WITH THE CAPACITY OF BUSINESSES IN THE CITY TO INNOVATE BY MAINTAINING THE NETWORKS OF INTERACTION ARE CRITICAL.

WE HAVE TO SEE HOW THIS PANS OUT.

IT ASKS FOR CITIES TO THINK ABOUT POSSIBLY ALL THE SPACES THAT BECOME VACANT AND WE HAVE OTHER VACANT SPACES IN THE CITY INCLUDING HERE IN THE SOUTH SIDE.

AND REALLY BE PRO-ACTIVE AND IMAGINATIVE HOW WE CAN CREATE NEW USES THAT CAN CREATE BETTER LIVING CONDITIONS FOR PEOPLE.

>> AND WE TEND TO SEE THE MOST VISIBLE IMPACTS IN CLIMATE CHANGE IN COASTAL COMMUNITIES IN AREAS OF DROUGHT HIT BY WILDFIRES.

BUT SABINA SHAIKH OVER TO YOU, A CITY LIKE OURS WHAT ARE THE MOST PROFOUND CHALLENGES THAT CLIMATE CHANGE PRESENTS FOR CHICAGO?

>> THANK YOU.

THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.

I THINK EARNING A LIVING WE NEED TO STOP THINKING ABOUT IT AS AN ABSTRACT IN THE FUTURE THIS IMPACTS MUCH MORE VISIBLE IN OTHER CITIES IN CHICAGO WE DON'T SEE THE COASTAL SURGES OR WILDFIRES BUT WE ARE LIVING WITH THE PREDICTIONS MORE EXTREME RAIN AND HEAT EVENTS AND THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BECOME MORE FREQUENT.

I THINK THAT MAY BE PEOPLE DO NOT REALIZE THAT HEATWAVES IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF WEATHER-RELATED DEATHS IN THE UNITED STATES AND PARTICULARLY VULNERABLE PEOPLE LIVING IN PLACES WITHOUT COOLING INFRASTRUCTURE WHERE THAT IS AIR-CONDITIONING OR NATURAL SOURCES LIKE TREES AND GREEN GREENSPACES.

>> SO AMEYA PAWAR BACK TO YOU, YOU TOLD OUR PRODUCER THAT THE MULTIPLE CRISES OF POVERTY, INEQUALITY AND CLIMATE CHANGE LAID BARE THE SHORT COMING OF NEOLIBERAL ECONOMIC ORTHODOXY IT IS A MOUTHFUL AND WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?

>> THEY HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE BENEFITING PEOPLE BANKS, CORPORATIONS WHO ESSENTIALLY USE THEIR POWER AND MONEY TO WRITE THE RULES OF THE ECONOMY.

AND THEN USE PHILANTHROPY TO TRY TO ADDRESS.

IN OTHER WORDS, THEY BENEFIT FROM INEQUALITY IN A SYSTEM THAT HELPS THEM GET RICHER AND THEY THEN CONTROL WHAT CITIES AND STATES CAN DO THROUGH THEIR PHILANTHROPY.

WE NEED A NEW ECONOMIC PARADIGM THAT PRIORITIZES WORKERS AND COMMUNITIES, AND ONE THAT WE'VE HAD BEFORE.

BEFORE NEOLIBERALISM WE HAD THE NEW DEAL ECONOMICS WHICH REALLY PRIORITIZED PEOPLE IN COMMUNITIES AND I THINK IT'S TIME TO GO BACK TO THOSE KINDS OF IDEAS AND PARTICIPATE IN THE MARKETS.

INSTEAD OF LETTING THE MARKETS DO TO US AND THEN LET FILL LAND THOUGH PIVOTS DECIDE WHAT WE GET AS A RESULT CITIES SHOULD PARTICIPATE IN THE MARKETS AND I PEOPLE IN BANKING AND HOUSING AND BROADBAND AND CHILDCARE.

>> LUIS BETTENCOURT, ONE THING THAT IS PART OF THE CONVERSATION ABOUT LIVING IN CHICAGO IS OF COURSE THE SUBJECT OF VIOLENCE.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT -- WE KNOW IT'S DRIVEN MANY PEOPLE OUT OF THE CITY.

HOW DO URBAN PLANNERS HOW DO THEY THINK ABOUT THAT AS AN ISSUE?

>> WELL, IT'S OBVIOUS HERE VERY DIFFICULT PROBLEM IN CHICAGO AND MANY OTHER CITIES IN THE U.S.

BUT IT IS A PROBLEM IN MANY CITIES ALSO LARGELY SOLVED OR MITIGATED AND INCLUDING IN THE U.S.

BUT CERTAINLY INTERNATIONALLY.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO THINK THAT IF WE ENGAGE WITH SYSTEMICALLY, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CERTAINLY CREATE BETTER CONDITIONS.

IT'S A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM.

WE OFTEN WANT PARTICULARLY IN OUR POLITICAL DISCOURSE TO TAKE A SIMPLE SOLUTION OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, SOCIAL EQUITY BUT THE CREATE SYSTEMS WHERE BOTH LAW ENFORCEMENT IS TRUE CONFLICT RESOLUTION AND FAIRNESS AND JUSTICE AND AT THE SAME TIME OF COURSE THEY ARE LIVING CONDITIONS THAT ARE DIGNIFIED WHERE PEOPLE ARE HEALTHY.

THEY CAN BE CREATIVE AGENTS IN SOCIETY AND THEREFORE HAVE OTHER PLANS IN LIFE OUTLETS FOR THEIR ENERGIES AND CREATIVE POWERS.

IN SOME SENSE THIS IS THE WAY THAT OVER TIME TAKES ABOUT A DECADE OR TWO THAT PROBLEM ADDRESSED AND IT CAN BE ADDRESSED.

I THINK IT REQUIRES CREATING A SYSTEM AROUND THE ISSUE OF THE KIND THAT WE DON'T HAVE AT THE MOMENT.

>> AND SABINA SHAIKH FLOODING AND INTENSE HEAT EVENTS IF THOSE ARE BECOMING MORE COMMON WHAT CAN THE CITY DO TO MITIGATE THE IMPACTS?

>> I THINK ONE WE HAVE TO REALIZE THESE ARE NOT ONE OFF EVENTS WHAT WE SAW HAPPEN THE HEATWAVE IN SEATTLE AND PORTLAND WHICH WAS UNPRECEDENTED OR THE FLOODING IN NEW YORK A MONTH AGO, THE ENERGY GRID LOAD IN TEXAS.

WE HAVE TO I SAID THIS ON THE SHOW A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WE HAVE TO RECONSIDER OUR TRADITIONAL DEFINITIONS OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND THAT IS THE ORIGINAL INFRASTRUCTURE BILL DID A LOT HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT.

BUT WE HEAR ABOUT GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE NATURAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND I THINK WE CAN THINK ABOUT SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC INFRASTRUCTURE TOO.

AND I MEAN INVESTING IN PEOPLE INSURING THEIR SUPPORT NETWORKS IN THE COUPS REPRESENTATION, ACCESS TO HOUSING SCHOOLS, TRANSIT, HEALTHCARE AND CHILDCARE THAT IS CONNECTED TO CLIMATE CHANGE AND SUSTAINABLE CITIES.

>> AND AMEYA PAWAR WHAT IMPACT MIGHT THE INFLUX OF FEDERAL FUNDS FROM THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN AND IF PRESIDENT BIDEN'S INFRASTRUCTURE BILL GETS PASSED WHAT IMPACT MIGHT THAT HAVE ON HELPING SHAPE THE CITY AND DEVELOP IT AS IT GOES FORWARD?

>> I MEAN I THINK THERE IS A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY AND CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY TO USE THIS MONEY CREATIVELY.

WE NEED TO GET DIRECT AID TO PEOPLE.

IN CHICAGO, MAYOR LIGHTFOOT HAS PROPOSED THE LARGEST GUARANTEED INCOME PILOT IN THE COUNTRY.

WHICH I THINK CAN HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON A NATIONAL CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE STRENGTHEN THE SOCIAL SAFETY NET SO IT'S NOT PUNITIVE AND PENALIZE THE POOR FOR BEING POOR.

THERE IS OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND SABINA SHAIKH MENTIONED, CHICAGO AND GREAT LAKES CITIES HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD COMMUNITIES BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL COME HERE BECAUSE OF CLIMATE CHANGE WE HAVE WATER.

WE SHOULD HARNESS THAT STRENGTH AND REALLY THINK ABOUT HOW WE BUILD FOR THE FUTURE.

>> AND LUIS BETTENCOURT 30 SECONDS LEFT I WILL GIVE YOU THE LAST WORD.

WHAT MIGHT CHICAGO OR CITIES LOOK LIKE IN 50 YEARS.

ARE PEOPLE GOING TO WANT TO LIVE HERE?

>> I HOPE SO.

I THINK AS WE SAID THIS IS A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE STOCK, LEARN AND REINVENT CITIES.

THE CITIES WILL HAVE TO BE SUSTAINABLE IN THE SENSE THEY HAVE GREATER EQUITY AND GO WITH THE ENERGY SYSTEMS AND PROVIDE SERVICES TO PEOPLE THAT ARE BETTER FOR PEOPLE AND ALSO HAVE A DIFFERENT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ENVIRONMENT.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.

WE HAVE TO REINVENT IT AND WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

SO IT WILL REQUIRE EVERYONE'S KNOWLEDGE AND ACTION TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND CHICAGO SHOULD BE AN EXAMPLE FOR THAT.

>> WE WILL LEAVE THAT TO YOU ALL.

THANKS TO AMEYA PAWAR, SABINA SHAIKH AND LUIS BETTENCOURT FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU.

>> AND NOW PARIS WE TOSS IT BACK TO YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT THANK YOU.

AND STILL TO COME ON "CHICAGO TONIGHT", WAS THE JANUARY 6TH CAPITOL ATTACK A NATIONAL SECURITY EMERGENCY?

AUTHOR ROBERT COSTA WEIGHS IN ON THIS AND OTHER INFLECTION POINTS OF THE PRESIDENTIAL TRANSITION.

>> I NEED 50 VOTES IN THE SENATE.

I HAVE 48.

>> AND THE PRESIDENT'S SIGNATURE PRIORITIES ARE BEING STALLED IN THE SENATE BY TWO DEMOCRATS HOLDING OUT FOR CHANGES.

>> FIRST, SOME OF TODAY'S TOP STORIES... >> A TRIAL DATE HAS BEEN SET FOR A CHICAGO ALDERMAN ACCUSED OF LYING TO BANK REGULATORS AND FILING FALSE TAX RETURNS.

ALDERMAN PATRICK DALEY THOMPSON IS SET TO STAND TRIAL OCTOBER 18TH NEWS MEDIA WILL NOT BE ALLOWED INTO THE COURTROOM.

THOMPSON PLEADED NOT GUILTY IN CONNECTION TO THE WASHINGTON FEDERAL BANK SHUTDOWN IN 2017 BY REGULATORS AFTER THEY DETERMINED IT WAS INSOLVENT.

>> MORE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE HOMICIDE CASE INVOLVING A RESIDENT AND LAST SUMMER'S PROTESTS IN KENOSHA.

A JUDGE DECLINED TO DISMISS A WEAPONS CHARGE AGAINST KYLE RITTENHOUSE ACCUSED OF SHOOTING THREE PEOPLE AND KILLING ONE IN THE UNREST OF THE JACOB BLAKE SHOOTING.

HE WAS 17 YEARS OLD AND CARRYING AN AR15 THAT HE WAS NOT LEGALLY ALLOWED TO HAVE.

THE ATTORNEYS ARGUED THAT HE FIRED IN SELF-DEFENSE.

>> CHICAGO IS THE BEST BIG CITY IN THE U.S. FOR THE FIFTH YEAR.

THIS COMING FROM THE PUBLICATION TRAVELER IN ITS READERS CHOICE AWARDS.

THE CITY IS ON A HOT STREET THEY CITE THE RESTAURANTS CULTURE AND ARCHITECTURE AND FRIENDLY RESIDENTS AS REASONS FOR THE TOP BILLING.

MAYOR LORI LIGHTFOOT TOUTED THE RANKING SAYS THE CITY ONE UPPED ITSELF.

AND ONE LESS STATE ON THE TRAVEL ADVISORY LIST.

CONNECTICUT HAS BEEN REMOVED BECAUSE OF IMPROVING COVID NUMBERS IN THAT STATE.

THE ADVISORY COVERS 47 STATES AS WELL AS WASHINGTON D.C. UNVACCINATED VISITORS FROM THOSE PLACES ARE URGED TO RECORD A NEGATIVE COVID TEST WITHIN 72 HOURS BEFORE AND AFTER TRAVELING AND SHOULD QUARANTINE UPON THEIR ARRIVAL IN CHICAGO.

>> EARLIER IN THE SHOW WE TALKED ABOUT RAISING THE DEBT CEILING AND JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE REGULATING FACEBOOK AND MUCH MORE ARE REPRESENTATIVES BILL FOSTER, ROBIN KELLY, MARIE NEWMAN AND MIKE QUIGLEY.

AND AGAIN WE INVITED ALL THE REPUBLICANS IN ILLINOIS' CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION.

NONE ACCEPTED OUR INVITATION TONIGHT AND WE THANK THE FOUR OF YOU FOR BEING BACK HERE.

LET'S GET BACK TO THE 3.5 TRILLION BILL WHICH AS WE'VE ACKNOWLEDGED WILL BE LOWER.

DEMOCRAT SENATOR JOE MANCHIN ONE OF THE HOLDOUTS HE WANTS THE HYDE AMENDMENT BACK WHICH WOULD BAN FEDERALLY FUNDED ABORTIONS.

HE WANTS THAT ATTACHED TO THAT SPENDING BILL.

IS THAT A POTENTIAL POISON PILL?

>> LOOK, I THINK THERE'S ANY NUMBER OF POISON PILLS AND HE HAS TO RECOGNIZE HE HAS A RESPONSIBILITY.

THIS ISN'T JUST ALL THE GOOD THINGS THAT ARE IN THIS MEASURE.

THE GREATEST EXPENSE ON PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE HUMAN INFRASTRUCTURE IN OUR LIFETIMES TO TO RISK IT WITH POISON PILLS IT ALSO RISKS THE BIDEN AGENDA WHICH IS MORE IMPORTANT FRANKLY THAN HIS OWN OFFICE AND HIS ELECTION SECURITY.

>> ALTHOUGH THE SENATOR SAID THAT HE IS NOT GOING TO BUDGE ON THAT.

IF THE HYDE AMENDMENT MEANT THAT DEMOCRATS WOULD GET WINS ON THE OTHER PRIORITIES LIKE THE CHILD TAX CREDITS AND COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND CLIMATE CHANGE PROVISIONS WOULD YOU TAKE THAT DEAL?

>> WELL, LET'S REMEMBER THE HYDE AMENDMENT HAS NO BUSINESS AND THIS IS NOT JUST A POISON PILL IT'S NOT GERMAINE TO ANYTHING IN THE RECONCILIATION PACKAGE THE BUILD BACK BETTER PACKAGE.

IT'S RIDICULOUS FOR HIM TO ASSUME IT CAN GO IN THERE.

THERE'S ANY NUMBER OF PROCEDURALS THAT WE CAN WORK WITH TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T GO BACK IN THERE AND THE HYDE AMENDMENT IS LOST.

IT'S DOING A DOUBLE DOWN JUST RIDICULOUS.

SO THIS SHENANIGAN I DON'T THINK WILL MOVE FORWARD.

>> CONGRESSWOMAN KELLY, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD STALL THE BUDGET BILL IN THE HOUSE?

>> I THINK IF MIGHT STALL IT IT COULD STALL IT.

BUT I THINK THAT PEOPLE WILL SEE IT AS A POISON PILL AND REALLY A DETOUR TO WHERE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET.

AGAIN I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, AS CONGRESSWOMAN NEWMAN SAID IT IS NOT GERMAINE SO WHY HE IS DOING THIS.

I THINK IT IS A SLOWDOWN TACTIC FOR HIM IN THE HOUSE WE'LL GET OVER THAT.

>> AND CONGRESSMAN FOSTER WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MANCHIN AND SINEMA, MANCHIN MENTIONING WHAT HE WANTS.

IS IT CLEAR WHAT SINEMA SEES AS PRIORITIES IN THAT SOCIAL SPENDING BILL?

>> IT WAS CLEAR.

I SERVED WITH KIRSTEN FOR SEVERAL YEARS ON THE FINANCIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE.

AND IT WAS INTERESTING THE DIFFERENT RATIONALES SHE USED FROM TIME TO TIME ON SOME OF THE DIFFERENT POSITIONS SHE TOOK.

AND SO I FOUND THAT NOT JUST FOR SENATOR SINEMA BUT TRYING TO PSYCHO ANALYZE THE SENATE IS NOT A WINNING GAME.

YOU HAVE TO TREAT IT LIKE A BLACK BOX AND HOPE IN THIS CASE, THE BLACK BOX PRODUCES A RESULT THAT IS RIGHT FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

>> LOOKS LIKE THERE IS PSYCHO ANALYZING OF THE FACEBOOK.

THE WHISTLE BLOWER APPEARED ON CAPITOL HILL FINISHING HER TESTIMONY THAT SHE BELIEVES THE COMPANY PUT PROFITS AHEAD OF REGULATING HATE AND DISINFORMATION ON ITS PLATFORM AND IT IS PROVING TO BE A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY AND SAYS THE COMPANY WILL NOT REGULATE ITSELF.

CONGRESSMAN QUIGLEY WHAT CAN CONGRESS DO TO REGULATE THIS SOCIAL MEDIA GIANT?

>> LOOK, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS STRIKING AND HOPEFUL THE FACT THERE WAS BIPARTISAN CONCERN ABOUT ALL OF THOSE ISSUES.

THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE HAS BEEN LOOKING AT THIS FOR TWO YEARS AND THERE IS LEGISLATION THAT ADDRESSES IT.

I SERVED ON THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS.

SHE WAS SPOT ON.

AND THEY ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE HERE WHO HASN'T GONE AFTER DISINFORMATION AND THOSE WHO ATTACK OUR DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

>> CONGRESSMAN FOSTER THERE'S TALK ABOUT REFERRING TO FACEBOOK AS A MONOPOLY BREAKING UP THE COMPANIES.

BUT DOES THE U.S. GOVERNMENT HAVE THE ABILITY TO REGULATE THE CONTENT ON A PLATFORM LIKE THIS WITHOUT RUNNING AFOUL OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT?

>> WELL, CERTAINLY HAVE HAVE A HUGE CLUB IN THE FORM OF SECTION 230.

WHERE WE'VE GIVEN THEM A GET OUT OF JAIL FREE -- THEY BASICALLY ARE ALLOWED TO EDITORIALIZE OR EDIT WHICH BLOGS ENTRIES POSTS THAT THEY PROMOTE AND WHICH THEY DON'T.

ALL OF US WOULD LOVE IT IF "THE NEW YORK TIMES" WOULD ALWAYS PUBLISH OUR LETTERS TO THE EDITOR BUT THEY DON'T.

AND FACEBOOK CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH WHAT THEY PROMOTE WITHOUT TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT.

AND SO I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT SECTION 230 TO SEE IF THAT IS LEVERAGE THAT WILL EXPLOIT IT TO SOME EXTENT.

>> CONGRESSWOMAN NEWMAN YOU HAVE BEEN IN FAVOR AT LOOKING AT BREAKING UP THE MONOPOLY THAT SOME BELIEVE THAT FACEBOOK HAS IS THAT SOMETHING WILL BE CONSIDERED ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS POSSIBLY?

>> I THINK THE FIRST THING WE HAVE TO DO IS PUT TOGETHER A REGULATORY PACKAGE THAT IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE EXPEDIENT.

FACEBOOK AND OTHER PLATFORMS LIKE IT ARE A COMBINATION OF SEVERAL INDUSTRIES.

THEY ARE A CONTENT PROVIDER, AN ENTERTAINMENT VEHICLE, NEWS, AS WELL AS A PUBLISHER.

SO THEY SHOULDN'T BE SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE REGULATIONS -- REGULATIONS THAT THE FOUR INDUSTRIES REPRESENT.

SO LET'S START THERE.

BECAUSE THAT IS A COMMON SENSE APPROACH.

IF IN FACT THEY ARE COMMITTING VIOLATIONS AGAINST ANTITRUST LAWS THEN LET'S TAKE CARE OF THAT LET'S START WITH REGULATORY.

IT'S BEEN 25 YEARS SINCE THEY HAVE HAD ANY REGULATION.

SO LET'S GET THAT DONE.

>> CERTAINLY SEEMS TO BE THE BEGINNING OF DEBATE OVER WHAT A REGULATORY FRAMEWORK WOULD LOOK LIKE.

CONGRESSWOMAN KELLY WE KNOW PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS SET TO COME TO CHICAGO AND HAD TO CANCEL THAT.

NOW SET TO COME IN TWO DAYS.

FIRST OF ALL IS THIS TRIP GOING TO STAY ON?

AND WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM THE TRIP?

>> I BELIEVE THE TRIP IS GOING TO STAY ON.

WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING DIFFERENT ONE NEVER KNOWS.

BUT HE AGAIN, IS COMING OUT THANKING PEOPLE WHO HAVE GOTTEN VACCINATED AND WANTING TO EN COUNSEL THOSE THAT HAVEN'T GOTTEN VACCINATED TO DO THAT THAT IS THE ONLY WAY WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO STOP COVID-19 IF WE ALL DO OUR PART.

AND WE IN GOVERNMENT, I FEEL HAVE DONE OUR PARTS SENDING RESOURCES BACK TO SCHOOLS, TO STATES AND CITIES AND TOWNS TO HOSPITALS BUT PEOPLE HAVE TO DO THEIR PART BY GETTING VACCINATED.

>> CONGRESSMAN QUIGLEY I WANT TO MOVE TO THE SELECT COMMITTEE ON JANUARY 6 WE'RE TALKING TO THE AUTHOR OF "PERIL" BOOK TONIGHT AND THERE HAVE BEEN SUBPOENAS FOR SOME OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S TOP ADVISERS, MARK MEADOWS, FORMER ADVISER STEVE BANNON WHAT COULD INVESTIGATORS LEARN FROM THAT TESTIMONY?

AND WILL THE SUBPOENAS BE ENFORCED?

>> LOOK THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.

IN THE END WILL IT BE ENFORCED?

THE GREAT FAILURE OF THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION AND WHAT CONGRESS ATTEMPTED TO DO DURING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WAS TO GET PEOPLE TO TESTIFY.

AND TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS.

THIS IS REAL CHALLENGE FOR CONGRESS TO ENFORCE ITS POWERS.

I BELIEVE THEY WILL BE BUT IT IS NOT GOING TO BE EASY.

NONE OF THESE FOLKS ARE GOING TO COME AND TELL US WHAT THAT CONVERSATION WAS LIKE BETWEEN LEADER McCARTHY AND PRESIDENT TRUMP.

>> ALL RIGHT SO THAT MIGHT BE A STAREDOWN AMID THIS OTHER STAREDOWN WITH THE DEBT CEILING AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO FOLLOW WHERE THESE NEGOTIATIONS AND TALKS GO OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS.

THANKS TO REPRESENTATIVES, BILL FOSTER, ROBIN KELLY, MARIE NEWMAN AND MIKE QUIGLEY THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> AND UP NEXT A CONVERSATION WITH THE COAUTHOR OF THE NEW BOOK, "PERIL" FIRST WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE WEATHER... >> A NEW BOOK GIVES AN INSIDER BLOW BY BLOW ACCOUNT OF ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS PREN STHAL TRANSITIONS FROM THE CHAOS OF THE CAPITOL RIOT TO A SECRET SIX POINT STRATEGY TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION RESULTS AND DETAILS ACTIONS FROM THE CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF WHO REPORTEDLY HAD TO ASSURE CHINA THAT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THE U.S. HAD NO PLANS TO ATTACK IT.

THE BOOK IS CALLED "PERIL" BY ACCLAIM JOURNALIST BOB WOODWARD AND ROBERT COSTA AND JOINING US NOW IS ROBERT COSTA NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER AT THE "WASHINGTON POST" AND FORMER HOST AND MANAGING EDITOR OF PBS'S WASHINGTON WEEK THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE ON "CHICAGO TONIGHT."

>> IT IS MY PLEASURE, THANK YOU.

>> LET'S START WITH THE BIG REVELATIONS IN YOUR BOOK.

YOU DESCRIBE THE ENORMOUS PRESSURE THAT VICE-PRESIDENT PRESENCE FACED IN THE DAYS LEADING UP TO JANUARY 6 TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION RESULTS INSTEAD OF CERTIFY THE ELECTION ON JANUARY 6.

TAKE US BEHIND THE EVENTS THAT LED TO HIS FINAL DECISION.

>> FOR BOB WOODWARD AND I IT WAS A REPORTING JOURNEY.

WE THOUGHT THE VICE-PRESIDENT MADE THIS DECISION IN THE FINAL FEW HOURS, THE FINAL DAYS BEFORE JANUARY 6.

BUT WHAT WE DISCOVERED THROUGH THE COURSE OF NINE OR 10 MONTHS OF REPORT SOMETHING THAT VICE-PRESIDENT PENCE WAS CONSULTING WITH HIS LAWYERS HIS AIDES AND FORMER VICE-PRESIDENT DAN QUAYLE AND WE TRIED TO CAPTURE THE DIFFERENT BEHIND THE SCENES ENDEAVORS THAT PENCE HAD TO MAKE A DECISION WAS HE GOING TO TRY TO THROW THE ELECTION TO TRUMP BY THROWING THE ELECTION TO THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

ULTIMATELY HE DID NOT.

BUT THE PRESSURE HE WAS UNDER IT WAS SO INTENSE.

>> AND PART OF THAT PRESSURE CAME FROM A LAWYER NAMED JOHN EASTMAN YOU REVEALED THIS SIX POINT PLAN THAT GAVE PENCE THE POWER TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION RESULTS.

JUST GIVE US THE BLOW BY BLOW WHAT THAT STRATEGY WAS.

>> IT IS BRIEF A WAY AS POSSIBLE.

WHAT JOHN EASTMAN CONSERVATIVE LAWYER PANTED PENCE TO DO WAS THROW OUT ELECTORS TO SAY THAT BIDEN WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET THE NECESSARY 270 ELECTORS TO CERTIFY HIS WIN THAT MEANS THE ELECTION GOES TO THE HOUSE.

IF IT WENT TO THE HOUSE BECAUSE REPUBLICANS CONTROL THE MOST DELEGATIONS THE CONSTITUTION SAYS THAT IS HOW A VOTE WOULD BE TAKEN IF AN ELECTION GOES TO THE HOUSE.

PRESIDENT TRUMP WOULD WIN THE 2020 ELECTION IF HELD IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AT THE END OF THE DAY.

THAT WAS THE ROUNDABOUT PLAN THAT THIS CONSERVATIVE LAWYER WAS PUSHING AND IT WASN'T JUST CHITCHAT.

THIS WAS A MEMO TWO PAGES, SIX POINTS TRYING TO GET PENCE TO DO IT AND EASTMAN THIS LAWYER AND PRESIDENT TRUMP CONFRONTED PENCE ON JANUARY 4 WHAT IS SEEN IN THE BOOK TRUMP IS SAYING TO PENCE LISTEN JOHN EASTMAN.

DO THIS FOR ME.

>> AND IN FACT, THE PRESIDENT SEEMS LIKE HE IS YELLING AT VICE-PRESIDENT PENCE ESPECIALLY WHEN THE VICE-PRESIDENT TELLS TRUMP THAT HE IS NOT GOING TO CARRY THROUGH WITH THAT PLAN.

OVER AND OVER IN THE BOOK YOU REFER TO HIGH LEVEL CABINET OFFICIALS AND OTHER REPUBLICANS CLEARLY EXASPERATED AND TRIED TO DIVERT THE FORMER PRESIDENT AND MOCK HIM YET STICK WITH HIM PUBLICLY.

WHAT DID THEY TELL YOU ABOUT WHY THEY WOULDN'T SPEAK OUT MORE?

>> ONE EXAMPLE IN THE BOOK IS LEADER McCONNELL WHO DESPISES PRESIDENT TRUMP HE JOKES ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP IN A MOCKING WAY BEHIND THE SCENES YET WHEN IT COMES TO THE TRANSITION PERIOD WE HAVE ALL THE SCENES OF McCONNELL SAYING HE DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE A PUBLIC FIGHT HE NEEDS TRUMP HELP IN THE GEORGIA RUNOFF SENATE ELECTION AND YOU SEE THIS THROUGHOUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THE BOOK.

THEY BELIEVE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP IS CENTRAL TO THE G.O.P.

KEEPING POWER TO ACQUIRING POWER IN THE FUTURE AND SO THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE A WAR WITH HIM EVEN IF THEY DON'T LIKE HIM.

>> AND ALSO CLEAR IN THE BOOK THAT MOST OF THEM EXCEPT FOR SOME OF THE MOST EXTREME ELEMENTS OF TRUMP'S INNER CIRCLE DO NOT BELIEVE THE CLAIMS OF ELECTION FRAUD YET THEY CONTINUE TO INDULGE THEM DID THEY EVER TELL YOU THAT THEY KNEW THIS WAS DOING DAMAGE TO DEMOCRACY UNDERMINING PEOPLE'S FAITH IN ELECTIONS?

>> SOME OF THEM ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS LYING ABOUT FRAUD THAT THIS IS NOT BASED ON FACTS.

AND WE SEE THE PRESIDENT'S EFFORTS WERE BLOCKED IN THE COURTS CONSTANTLY.

THE COURTS DID NOT CONCLUDE THERE WAS ANY FRAUD.

YOU DID NOT SEE THE DOJ CONCLUDING THERE WAS WIDESPREAD FRAUD YET THE CLAIM OF A STOLEN ELECTION PERSISTS AND HAS BECOME A RALLY CRY INSIDE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND MAY BE THE CENTRAL PLANK FOR TRUMP IF HE RUNS AGAIN IN 2024.

YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF REPUBLICANS WANTING TO CONTEST IT BUT BEHIND THE SCENES SENATOR GRAHAM, AND MIKE LEE TWO TRUMP ALLIES CONSERVATIVES, GRAHAM FOR HIS PART WAS EFFECTIVE IN SHOWING THERE WAS NO FRAUD.

HE HAD HIS STAFF LOOK AT WHETHER THERE WAS FRAUD AND FOUND NOTHING AND MIKE LEE WAS TRYING TO SEE IN THE EASTMAN PLAN WAS VIABLE OR REAL AND THOUGHT BASED ON HIS OWN REPORTING ON THE SIDE AS A SENATOR MAKING CALLS, THAT THERE WAS NOTHING TO IT.

WE TRIED TO SHOW NOT IN OUR WORDS OR CONCLUSIONS BUT OUR REPORTING AND REPUBLICANS EVEN SHOW THAT WHAT THE PRESIDENT WAS TRYING TO DO WAS NOT BACKED UP BY REALITY.

>> AND NONE SEEMED CONFLICTED BY THE FACT THAT IT IS LEADING TO THIS REAL EROSION OF TRUST IN ELECTIONS IN THE COUNTRY?

>> AND THAT IS WHAT THE BOOK, "PERIL" IS ABOUT.

ALL THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED INSIDE THE OVAL OFFICE ON PHONE CALLS IN PRIVATE, THEY HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

WHEN THINGS DON'T GET STOPPED BEHIND THE SCENES, THE DEMOCRACY CAN BE TESTED.

THERE WAS AN INSURRECTION AT THE CAPITOL AND PERIL DOES REMAIN AT TIMES BECAUSE OF DECISIONS PEOPLE MAKE AND THIS BOOK IS ABOUT DECISIONS AND HOW THEY ARE MADE.

AND TRY TO GIVE PEOPLE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WASHINGTON THAT YOU DON'T ALWAYS KNOW ON THE SURFACE WHAT IS HAPPENING.

SOMETIMES IT TAKES MONTHS TO GET A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE TRUTH IS.

>> AND SPEAKING OF UNDERSTANDING THE TRUTH AND THE RIOTS ON JANUARY 6 DOES YOUR REPORTING REVEAL ANYMORE AS TO WHY THE SECURITY WAS SO MINIMAL THAT DAY AND WHY IT TOOK SO LONG TO CALL IN THE NATIONAL GUARD?

>> IT'S EVIDENT WHAT HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6 WAS A GRAVE INTELLIGENCE FAILURE.

THE U.S. MILITARY, THE NATIONAL SECURITY COMMUNITY DID NOT PREDICT THIS KIND OF INSURRECTION.

OUR BOOK SHOWS IN DETAIL WHAT WAS HAPPENING INSIDE THE PENTAGON ON THE DAYS BEFORE JANUARY 6 AND AFTER.

THEY FEARED MAYBE AN ATTACK ON THE CAPITOL FROM THE SKY.

THERE COULD BE A RANDOM ATTACK.

BUT THEY NEVER THOUGHT THAT A MOB OF PEOPLE WOULD STORM THE CAPITOL.

AND FOR PEOPLE AT THE HIGHEST RANKS OF THE MILITARY THIS WAS A FAILURE AKIN TO SIGNIFICANT AND DIRE NATIONAL SECURITY FAILURES.

>> AND AS YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE SELECT COMMITTEE ON JANUARY 6 SUBPOENAED FOLKS LIKE FORMER TRUMP CHIEF OF STAFF MARK MEADOWS AND STEVE BANNON WHAT DO YOU EXPECT INVESTIGATORS COULD LEARN FROM THEIR POSSIBLE TESTIMONY?

>> WELL, NOT TO BE SELF REFERENCE SHALL BUT THOSE SUBPOENAS CITE THIS BOOK, "PERIL" BY NAME.

SUBPOENAS ISSUED TO STEVE BANNON AND DAN CITE THIS BOOK BECAUSE WE HAVE SCENES THAT SHOW BANNON TALKING TO TRUMP WHICH BANNON ACKNOWLEDGE HE DID.

SAYING HE WANTS TO KILL THE BIDEN PRESIDENCY IN THE CRIB AND THE FOCUS IN LATE DECEMBER MUST BE ON JANUARY 6.

AND DAN, THE SOCIAL MEDIA DIRECTOR WAS WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP ALL THROUGHOUT THE EVENING ON JANUARY FIFTH.

THE NIGHT BEFORE THE INSURRECTION.

SO THIS COMMITTEE SELECT COMMITTEE WANTS TO FIND OUT MORE WHAT WAS GOING ON.

SO MUCH OF JANUARY 6 IS NOT JUST THE RESPONSE THAT DAY, BY PRESIDENT TRUMP AND OTHERS, IT'S ABOUT THE PRESSURE CAMPAIGN IN THE DAYS PRIOR.

"THE NEW YORK TIMES" CALLED IT RIGHTLY SO, IN REFERENCE TO OUR BOOK, A BLOODLESS BUT IMPORTANT LEGAL AND POLITICAL BATTLE BEFORE THE 6TH.

>> AND WE HAVE TO SEE IF THOSE SUBPOENAS ARE COMPLIED WITH.

YOUR BOOK CHRONICLES THE BIDEN TRANSITION AND BIDEN'S FIRST FEW MONTHS IN OFFICE INCLUDING THE DECISION TO WITHDRAW FROM AFGHANISTAN DID YOUR REPORT REVEAL WHY THE PRESIDENT CHOSE NOT TO HEED ADVICE FROM TOP DEFENSE LEADERS THAT WANTED TO KEEP A SMALL TROOP PRESENCE IN AFGHANISTAN?

>> OUR REPORTING SHOWS THE PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS VERY MUCH FORMED BY HIS PREVIOUS EXPERIENCES IN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IN 2009, HE DID NOT WANT TO SEE THE SURGE OF TROOPS 30,000 INTO AFGHANISTAN.

HE THOUGHT THE MILITARY WAS ASKING FOR TOO MUCH.

AND HE WAS ALMOST RIDICULED WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION FOR TAKING THAT MOTION.

AND HE ALWAYS FELT LIKE THE MILITARY WHEN IT COMES TO AFGHANISTAN WANTS TOO MANY TROOPS AND THE WAR IS NEVER ENDING AND THIS GOES BACK TO THE DAYS ON THE SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE.

WILLIAM FAULKNER SAID THE PAST IS NEVER PAST IT'S NOT PAST AND THAT COMES TO POLICY MAKING WITH JOE BIDEN.

HIS PAST INFORMED HIS DECISION TO WITHDRAW ALL U.S.

TROOPS DESPITE THE RESERVATIONS FROM SECRETARY BLINKIN AND AUSTIN WHO WANTED A SLOWER WITHDRAWAL AND THAT IS IMPORTANT DETAILS THAT IF YOU VOICE SPEAK UP EARLY ON AND SAY SLOW DOWN.

>> AND CERTAINLY BECAME A FLASHPOINT OF CONTROVERSY IN THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE G.O.P.

YOU'VE MENTIONED SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM BELIEVES THE PARTY NEEDS TO STAY WITH TRUMP AND MITCH McCONNELL RIGHT AFTER THE ELECTION BELIEVED THE PARTY SHOULD DIVORCE ITSELF.

HOW DO YOU BELIEVE THIS IS GOING TO PLAY OUT AHEAD OF THE MIDTERMS?

>> YOU HAVE A PARTY WHERE TRUMP IS FRONT AND CENTER HE IS GOING BACK TO IOWA THE FIRST VOTING STATE IN THE 2024 CONTEST THIS COMING WEEK.

YOU SEE TRUMP OUT THERE HAVING RALLY AFTER RALLY USE NEVER SURRENDER NEVER GIVE IN.

HE HAS IMMENSE POLITICAL CAPITAL.

EVEN IF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND SOMEONE LIKE MITCH McCONNELL THE G.O.P.

LEADER IN THE SENATE WANTS TO MOVE ON.

WELL IT'S NOT EASY TO MOVE ON BECAUSE HE IS OUT THERE AND GALVANIZING THE SUPPORTERS IN THE STATES TO GET INVOLVED TO RUN FOR POSITIONS IN THE LOCAL ELECTION BOARD, THE STATE ELECTION BOARD HE WANTS A BIG HE SAY HOW ELECTIONS ARE RUN IN THE COUNTRY.

IT IS NOT AN ENDING STORY.

K "PERIL" MAY END AS A BOOK BUT THE PERIL TO AMERICAN DEMOCRACY THE THREAT IS PRESENT.

>> THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY LAST QUESTION, ROBERT.

WHAT IS YOUR ASSESSMENT BASED ON YOU'VE BEEN COVERING WASHINGTON A LONGTIME AND HAVE SPOKEN TO THE PRESIDENT A LOT AND YOU SPEAK TO CONGRESS MEMBERS ALL THE TIME WHAT IS YOUR ASSESSMENT OF THE THREAT LEVEL TO FUTURE FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS AND TO THE FOUNDATIONS OF DEMOCRACY?

>> WELL, THERE'S CLEARLY A FEAR ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE JIM CLYBOURN THE WHIP SAYS THAT DEMOCRACY IS ON FIRE AND BELIEVES REPUBLICANS ARE TAKING SWEEPING ACTION IN THE STATES THAT IS THE GOING TO CORRODE VOTING RIGHTS AND MANY REPUBLICANS SAY THEY ARE PUTTING NEW LAWS IN THAT ARE VERY WELL FINE AND LEGAL AND THIS IS A REAL DIVIDE HOW ELECTIONS SHOULD BE CONDUCTED.

THERE IS NO CONSENSUS BETWEEN THE PARTIES IN ANY REAL WAY.

AND THIS IS I'M JUST A REPORTER BUT THIS PORTENDS FOR VERY TENSE ELECTIONS IN 2022 AND 24 ABOUT WHAT IS LEGITIMATE.

AND THINK HOW CLOSE WE CAME ON JANUARY 6TH TO THE VICE-PRESIDENT WALKING AWAY AND SAYING THIS IS NOT A LEGITIMATE ELECTION I CANNOT CERTIFY IT.

COMOK CITY WAS TESTED -- DEMOCRACY WAS TESTED AND THERE IS NO REPORT SAYING IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TESTED AGAIN.

ROBERT COSTA WE ARE GLAD ARE YOU DOCUMENTING THESE THINGS ALTHOUGH YOU ARE IN CHICAGO THIS WEEK.

>> I AM ONLY WISH I COULD BE WITH YOU AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN SEE A CONCERT.

>> WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CATCH THE DEAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT DOWN THE ROAD.

THANKS, ROBERT.

>> THANK YOU.

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