>> WITH THE FULL PORTION OF THE CAMPAIGN ABOUT TO BEGIN THE RACE FOR GOVERNOR OF THING AIPAC SUPPORTING AMY CALLING THE --A CON MAN, HUCKSTER AND A SWINDLER, AND ACCUSING HIS HIM MANIPULATING THE STOCK OF AN ALZHEIMER'S DRUG.

HIS SUPPORTING PACKET CUES ACT AND OF HAVING AN ALCOHOL PROBLEM AND CAUSING --TO LEAD THE MIDWEST AND COVID DEATHS.

THEY BLAME AMY ACTING FOR ONE WOMAN DYING MOTHER IN A NURSING HOME DURING COVID .

FACT CHECKERS HAVE DETERMINED THE WOMAN WHO DIED IN THE NURSING HOME LIVED AND DIED IN KENTUCKY.

TO CUT THROUGH THE CLAIMS AND TO GET TO THE FACTS WE TURN TO OUR PANEL, REPORTER ANDREW TOBIAS.

STANLEY GATES, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGISTS AND MIKE, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST.

THESE ADS ARE GETTING NASTIER AND NASTIER .

IT'S A SIGN, I THINK, OF THE COMPETITIVENESS OF THIS RACE.

>> THE FACT THAT THE HEADS ARE THERE IS DEFINITELY A SIGN THAT RACES COMPETITIVE.

IT'S LIKE POLITICS 101.

THEY ARE TRYING TO DEFINE THE OTHER CANDIDATE AS BEING UNACCEPTABLE TO THE ELECTORATE.

IF THERE WERE NO ADS ON TV I WOULD THINK THIS RACE IS CLOSE.

THE FACT THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM LEADS ME TO BELIEVE IT IS.

>> STILL, THE TONE, HASN'T REALLY BEEN ON THE ARE THAT MUCH PERIOD.

SHE HAS BEEN SAVING HER MONEY WE PRESUME.

SHE HASN'T BEEN AS NEGATIVE .

WHAT YOU MAKE OF HER EFFORTS SO FAR?

>> REFERENCE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE SHE IS STAYING ON MESSAGE, WHICH I THINK IT'S SMART FOR HER SHE DOESN'T NEED TO GO DOWN TO THE NEGATIVE JUST YET.

IF ANYTHING, STAY ON THE MESSAGE, STAY WHERE SHE'S AT.

THAT'S WHAT VOTERS WANT TO HEAR.

WHEN I TALK TO FOLKS OUTSIDE THEY ARE THINKING , AM I ABLE TO PAY FOR GROCERIES, AM I ABLE TO RAISE A KID?

AM I ALSO ABLE TO AFFORD A HOME?

THAT'S WHAT VOTERS CARE ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

ALL THE OTHER THINGS, NEGATIVE ADS, PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT.

>> PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF NEGATIVE ADS BUT THEY ARE HERE.

SO THEY MUST WORK.

BUT DO PEOPLE GO TOO FAR?

DOESN'T PAN OUT FACTUALLY.

SOME OF THEM ARE VERY SENSATIONAL.

COULD THEY BE TOO NEGATIVE?

>> IT'S IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER.

THE TRUTH CAN BE PLEASANT, THE TRUTH CAN BE HARSH IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER.

THE VOTERS DESERVE TO HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW ALL OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PERSON THEY ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR.

THESE ARE BASED ON PUBLIC RECORDS.

HE'S TAKING THOSE FACTS , THE DAUGHTER CALLED THE POLICE.

THAT'S A FACT.

THE POLICE SHOWED UP IN HER HOME.

THESE ARE FACTS.

WE WILL REHASH THE ADS.

PEOPLE WILL SEE THEM A LOT MORE.

HIS ATTACK ADS, IF WE WANT TO CALL THEM THAT, ARE BASED ON POLICE REPORTS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

CALLING THE VACANT CONMEN.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY ARE BOTH HARD-HITTING.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT STOCKS THAT WERE TRADED.

I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THIS EITHER, BUT HE BOUGHT A DRUG THAT WAS SKEPTICAL.

THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD TURN IT AROUND.

THEY COULD TURN IT AROUND.

HE SOLD THE STOCK BEFORE THE FINAL TRIALS CAME OUT AND THAT'S WHAT THAT IS ALL ABOUT.

ANDREW, FACT CHECKING ADS IS A LOSING CAUSE.

DON'T YOU THINK?

WE TRIED FOR A WHILE AND THERE ARE ORGANIZATIONS THAT DO IT BUT THERE ARE SO MANY OF THEM COME OUT SO FAST AND FURIOUS IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO FACT CHECK THEM.

WHO'S PAYING ATTENTION TO THE FACT CHECKERS?

>> I WORK FOR A FREE SMALL MEDIA OUTLET.

THERE ARE SO MANY ADS IT'S DIFFICULT TO KEEP UP WITH THEM.

WE PICK OUR SPOTS HERE AND THERE.

YOU ARE RIGHT.

IT'S A DELUSION.

IT'S IMPORTANT, IF NOTHING ELSE, TO TELL VOTERS WHERE THE ANSWER COMING FROM AND WHO'S PAYING FOR THEM, WHY THEY ARE RUNNING THEM AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

I THINK IT ALLOWS, I THINK PEOPLE SEE THIS STUFF AND KIND OF TAKE IT UNDER ADVISEMENT.

HELPFUL, THE BACKGROUND OF IT.

>> THE PEOPLE DESERVE IT.

THEY NEED TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THESE THINGS ARE TRUE AND I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT ON BOTH SIDES, AT THIS POINT, WE ARE SEEING FOLKS GIVE A SLITHER TRUTH.

THE --SEE THE FULL TRUTH OF THINGS.

>> SHOULD THE CANDIDATES RESPOND?

THERE'S ONE AD THAT EXPLAINS AMY ACTING IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OHIO COVID DEATHS AFTER SHE LEFT HER POSITION.

2021 IS WHAT OHIO MIDWEST .

SHE HAD LEFT BY THAT TIME.

SHOULD SHE JOIN ADS ?

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

LETTING THE RECTOR SHOW.

TALKING ABOUT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT.

WE HAVE A GOVERNOR WHO HAS COME OUT MANY TIMES AND ALSO SAID, ALL THE DECISIONS WERE MADE BY ME AND ME SOLELY.

SHE HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT WHILE SHE WAS GIVING HIM ADVICE IT WAS HER MAKING THE ULTIMATE DECISION.

>> WHAT IS THE GOAL OF THESE HARSH ADS, MIKE?

IS IT TO ENERGIZE YOUR BASE?

MAYBE TURN OFF A MODERATOR FOR VOTING FOR THE OTHER PERSON?

OR IS IT OVERALL , PERIOD ?

>> YOU COULD MAKE IT OVERALL ON THE SUPER HARSH ADS.

RAMASWAMY STARTED HIS INTRODUCING HIMSELF.

AMY DID AND ADD INTRODUCING THEMSELVES.

THEN THEY QUICKLY PIVOTED WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THEIR OWN INTERNAL POLLING.

YOU HAVE TO PAINT YOUR OPPONENT IN A CERTAIN LIGHT .

REMIND THE VOTERS WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY DID.

THIS MIGHT BE THE FIRST TIME IN OHIO HISTORY WHERE WE HAVE TWO MAJOR CANDIDATES THAT NEVER HELD ELECTIVE OFFICE RUNNING FOR THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.

SO ALL WE CAN DO NOW, AMY HAS NEVER BEEN A STATE REP, NEITHER HAS VIVEK.

ALL YOU CAN GO ON IS THE RECENT PAST EXPERIENCE.

SO YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE THOSE, THE COVID ISSUE.

IT'S JUST AN ANCHOR AROUND HER NECK ON THESE ISSUES.

EVERYONE HAS A SAD STORY, AND UNFORTUNATE STORY OF WHAT HAPPENED DURING COVID.

>> STANLEY, WHAT ARE THE THINGS AMY ACTON IS TALKING NOW IN HER ADS, POSITIVE ADS, HOW SHE WERE ACROSS THE AISLE AND BE BIPARTISAN?

BIPARTISAN?

IS THAT WISE?

IS THAT A WAY TO ENERGIZE DEMOCRATS TO HAVE MIKE IN YOUR ADS?

>> IF YOUR QUESTION IS TO ENERGIZE DEMOCRATS, NO.

HOWEVER, IT IS GETTING TO WHAT SHE WANTS.

RIGHT?

THAT IS THE FOLKS WERE INDEPENDENT.

ALSO, SOME FOLKS WHO ARE SLIGHTLY LEANING TO THE RIGHT.

I DO THINK THAT'S A SMART MOVE ON HER END.

LOOK, OHIO HAS BEEN A DEEPER RED STATE FOR SEVERAL YEARS .

AT THIS POINT IT'S THE SMART STRATEGY FOR HER TO PULL THOSE FOLKS IN IF SHE ACTUALLY WANTS A SUCCESSFUL CAMPAIGN.

>> ONE OF THE MOST UNDERREPORTED STORIES IS THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MODERATES FOR HER TO GET TO 50% PLUS ONE.

SHE HAS TURNED OFF A BIG ELEMENT OF HER BASE WHEN SHE SAID BOYS SHOULDN'T BE PLAYING GIRLS SPORTS.

WHEN SHE SAID I SUPPORT ISSUE THREE.

THE DEMOCRAT BASE DOES NOT SUPPORT ISSUE THREE.

THERE'S NONE OF PEOPLE OVER HERE , REPUBLICAN, DEMOCRATS, WHEN SHE'S LOSING TOO ANY OF HER BASE.

>> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

WHAT SHE'S TRYING TO DO NOW WITH THE ADS, CALLING HIM A CON MAN, TALKING ABOUT THE BUSINESS, BRINGING UP YOUR QUESTIONS THAT I THINK VOTERS WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWERS TO.

SHE'S BEING VERY STRATEGIC IN THAT SENSE TO PULL SOME FOLKS ON THE RIGHT WHO AREN'T IN THAT MIDDLE ROUND BUT ALSO ON THE FENCE ABOUT VIVEK AND MAKING SURE SHE'S PULLING THOSE IN AS WELL.

>> THAT CAME FROM THE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS ASSOCIATION.

SO NOT HER CAMPAIGN SPECIFIC.

JEFFREY, THE BILLIONAIRE, ANDREW, YOU WROTE ABOUT HOW HE'S GOING TO GIVE UP TO $30 MILLION TO THIS CAMPAIGN.

IT'S MORE THAN AMY ACTON HAS RAISED FROM ANYBODY FROM ONE GUY.

>> IT'S KIND OF A STRUCTURAL'S THING THAT WE ARE SEEING IN ELECTIONS IN OHIO.

WE SAW THIS WITH JD VANCE IN 2022.

AND THIS YEAR.

JEFF IS OBVIOUSLY A BIG PRIVATE SCHOOL VOUCHER SUPPORTER.

WE KNOW THAT HE HAS GIVEN $20 MILLION.

HE'S GIVING THEM AT LEAST ANOTHER 10 MILLION.

EIGHT FIGURES WAS DETERMINED SO I GUESS IT COULD BE $20 MILLION MORE.

WE DON'T KNOW.

IT IS MORE MONEY, LIKE YOU SAID, THEN AMY ACTON HAS RECEIVED FROM ALL OF HER CAMPAIGN DONORS COMBINED.

>> PUTTING IT ASIDE, THIS CAN BE GOOD TO HAVE ONE PERSON GIVE $30 MILLION TO GIVE TO A CAMPAIGN.

I KNOW IT'S ILLEGAL, IT'S GIVEN TO A PAC, IT'S ALL LEGAL.

BUT IS IT A GOOD THING?

>> THERE'S LEGAL AND GOOD SOMETIMES THEY DON'T ALIGN.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE MONEY IS NOT GOING TO VIVEK, IT'S GOING TO A SEPARATE PAC THAT SUPPORTS VIVEK, SO HE HAS NO SUPPORT OVER THAT.

MONEY IN POLITICS, SHOCKING.

GEORGE SOROS GIVES A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY TO THE DEMOCRATS.

THIS GUY GIVES A LOT TO REPUBLICANS.

THERE'S BILLIONAIRES ON BOTH SIDES AND IT'S NOT GOING AWAY.

THE SAM QUERREY --SUPREME COURT RULED 65 DAYS AGO THAT THERE CAN BE COORDINATION BETWEEN PAC'S AND CAMPAIGNS ON THE FEDERAL SIDE, NOT THE STATESIDE.

SO IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE, NOT BETTER.

>> OHIO IS ONE OF THE STATES CANADA HAS TARGETED WITH ITS RETALIATORY TARIFFS .

THE COUNTRY IS AIMING ITS LEVIES ON STATES THAT SUPPORT PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HAVE TIGHT RACES.

THAT'S OHIO.

CANADA IS OHIO'S LARGEST FOREIGN TRADING PARTNER.

THE STATE EXPORTS ABOUT $2 BILLION WORTH OF GOODS EACH YEAR TO THAT COUNTRY UP NORTH.

THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT SAYS IT'S TARIFFS WILL AFFECT 12% OF OHIO'S CURRENT EXPORTS , IRON AND STEEL BEING THE BIGGEST CATEGORY.

BUT CANADA HAS PLACED 5% TARIFFS ON LAUNDRY EQUIPMENT.

THAT COULD AFFECT OHIO'S PLANS .

ONE MAKES DRYERS, ONE NEAR TOLEDO MAKES WASHING MACHINES.

HIGHER PRICES COULD HER TO SENATOR JOHN HOUSTON.

, REMEMBER, BROWN, AND OPPONENT OF NAFTA, HAS LONG OPPOSED TRADE WITH CANADA.

STANLEY GATES, KEN BROWN , OPPONENT OF NAFTA , CAN HE CRITICIZE PRESIDENT TRUMP OR WITH CANADA?

>> I THINK YOU CAN.

BUT HE CAN SHOW NOW IS HE IS NOT CURRENTLY IN THE SENATE.

JOHN HOUSTON IT IS.

JOHN IS ALIGNED WITH TRUMP.

I THINK HE'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO IT.

ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FOLKS IN TAHITI --TOLEDO.

THE SWEEPING COMPANIES, THE FARMERS ARE UP THERE AS WELL.

HOW THEY ARE GOING TO FEEL THIS AS WELL.

>> THAT'S THE BIG THING.

COMING BACK, THE TARIFFS PRESIDENT TRUMP PLACED ON CANADA WILL AFFECT OHIO .

>> THE PROBABLY WILL HAPPEN BEFORE ELECTION DAY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW IT ALL WORKS.

PROBABLY NOT.

BROWN IS NOT IN THE SENATE FOR A REASON.

THE VOTERS SENT HIM HOME.

BUT HE WAS IN THE SENATE FOR 32 YEARS AND WE SAW THE LARGEST SPIKE DURING THE JOE BIDEN YEARS WHEN HE WAS THERE IN THE SENATE FOR A MAJORITY OF THEM.

>> YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, MIKE, KEN BROWN USE THIS?

NO.

IN THE END, OHIO IS HURTING BECAUSE OF GAS PRICES, LAUNDRY, ALL OF THE ABOVE.

BUT I DON'T THINK IT CAN BE USED BY EITHER SIDE TO ATTACK THE DATA POINT HERE AND THERE AND THE ULTIMATE ELECTION RESULT.

>> JUST GETTING BACK TO HOW THESE TARIFFS COULD AFFECT OHIO, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE AND IT'S VERY HARD TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH CONSUMERS ACTUALLY PAY WHEN A TARIFF GOES INTO EFFECT AS THE COMPANY MAY ABSORB IT.

IT ALL ADDS TO THAT STUDENT IS RAISING PRICES.

AND THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE PARTY IN CHARGE.

>> THE WAY THAT I KIND OF LOOK AT TARIFFS IS, BECAUSE THE ECONOMY IS COMPLICATED, SURPRISED AGREEMENTS -- IT TAKES A WHILE FOR THESE THINGS TO SHOW UP.

I THINK THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR THESE KIND OF THINGS TO DISRUPT SUPPLY.

I THINK WE HAVE SEEN THINGS NOT BEING AVAILABLE IF THAT KIND OF THING HITS.

I THINK PEOPLE REALLY NOTICE THAT.

I HAVE TALKED TO PEOPLE ABOUT TARIFFS AND THE WAY THEY PLAY POLITICALLY.

IT'S KIND OF HARD TO CONNECT THE TARIFF BEING IMPOSED WITH THE PRICE GOING UP.

BECAUSE IT TAKES A WHILE FOR IT TO WORK.

>> IS IT EASIER TO BE OPPOSED TO TRADE WITH MEXICO THAN IT IS WITH CANADA?

HIRING CANADA, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOT QUITE THE SAME, THE CANDIDATE ISN'T UNDERCUTTING MANY FACTORING LIKE MEXICO DID WITH THE CARBON INDUSTRY.

>> IT SEEMS LIKE THE GENERAL CONSENSUS OF THE POPULACE IN THE UNITED STATES IS A DIFFERENT STANDARD FOR CANADIAN ISSUES VERSUS MEXICAN ISSUES.

WHY?

I DON'T KNOW.

BUT I THINK YOU'RE ONTO SOMETHING FOR SURE, MIKE.

A LOT OF OUR MANUFACTURING JOBS , CARS, WERE IN MEXICO.

THE SAME CAN BE SAID FOR CERTAIN PHARMACEUTICAL JOBS IN CANADA.

I THINK THERE'S A DISCREPANCY THERE.

I THINK YOU'RE ONTO SOMETHING >> I THINK VOTERS ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, ARE THEY BETTER OFF WITH THESE TARIFFS?

ARE MANUFACTURERS GOING TO SEE AN INCREASE IN PRICES?

ARE FARMERS GOING TO SEE A PRICE DIFFERENCE?

CONSUMERS ARE GOING TO SEE LESS OF A PRICE DIFFERENCE AS WELL.

ARE THEY GOING TO BE FEELING THAT WHEN THESE THINGS HAPPEN AND ALSO WHEN THEY GO TO THE BALLOT BOX IN NOVEMBER AS WELL?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

WE WILL SEE PRICES ON LUMBER.

THAT MAY NOT HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER.

THE GENERAL FEELING OF CHAOS.

WE SAW THAT IN THE FIRST TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

NOW WE ARE SEEING IT HERE , THE TARIFF OF THE DAY.

THESE TARIFFS DON'T GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 8th.

THEY COULD REACH A DEAL ON THE SIXTH AND BE DONE WITH IT.

IT'S THE CHAOS FACTOR.

>> THE CHAOS FACTORS THERE AND EARLY VOTING STARTS TOO.

IT'S GOING TO BLEND INTO THE EQUATION AS WELL.

I THINK AMERICANS ARE LOOKING FOR SOME STABILITY FROM OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ULTIMATELY HERE.

DECREASE IN PRICES , COME TOGETHER PLEASE.

IT'S HARD OUT THERE.

IT MIGHT NOT BE HARD FOR THE CONSULTANT CLASS HERE IN COLUMBUS BUT FOR THE VERY REST IT IS AS WELL.

>> THEY ARE SHARPENING THEIR MESSAGES AS WE HEAD TOWARD THE FALL.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR LINES OF ATTACKS WILL BE AGAINST THEIR OPPONENTS.

HOUSTON PAINTED HIS CHALLENGERS, AS MIKE SAID, 32 YEARS IN WASHINGTON, AS THE INCUMBENT .

ACCUSING BROWN OF RAISING TAXES TO PAY FOR BENEFITS FOR UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS.

--ADDS ATTACK HIS OPPONENTS ON MULTIPLE FRONTS.

HIGHER PRICES, TIES TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN FINANCIER.

SUPPORTING CUTS TO MEDICAID AND BEING THE FACE OF DATA CENTERS.

THE IMMIGRATION, JOHN HOUSTON RIGHT NOW, SEEMS TO BE GOING AFTER THE PAC, GOING AFTER BROWN FOR HIS STANCE ON IMMIGRATION.

IMMIGRATION, MIKE, IS NOT THE TOP ISSUE FOR OHIO VOTERS RIGHT NOW.

IS THAT A WISE STRATEGY?

>> I THINK IT'S A WISE STRATEGY FOR THIS REASON, THERE ARE CERTAIN POCKETS OF VULNERABILITY FOR JOHN HOUSTON TO GET TO 50% +1.

HIS PULLING, ON THE INNER CIRCLE, DEMONSTRATES THAT HE NEEDS TO SHORE UP HIS BASE AND NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY VOTER IS OFF THE COUCH ON ELECTION DAY FOR EARLY VOTES.

AND THE ISSUE IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THAT SECTOR, THE POPULACE.

WITH ISSUE THREE WE'VE GOT TO REMIND A LOT OF VOTERS, IT'S VERY STRATEGIC.

YOU'VE GOT TO GET THOSE MAGA VOTERS TO THE POLLS.

>> VIVEK RAMASWAMY ANTI-COVID ADS MIGHT BE MOBILIZING THE BASE.

BROWN, TO GO AFTER SEVERAL ISSUES AT ONCE, PRETTY EFFECTIVE ADS.

PRICES, MEDICAID CUTS , DATA CENTERS HAS PROVEN TO BE SUCCESSFUL SO FAR.

IS THAT A STRATEGY?

OR SHOULD HE JUST DID WITH HIGHER PRICES?

>> I THINK IT'S A GOOD STRATEGY.

WHAT WE ARE HEARING, AND YOU ALSO SAID, MIKE, YOURSELF, BROWN HAS BEEN IN WASHINGTON FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

HOWEVER, JOHN HOUSTON HAS BEEN IN OHIO FOR VERY LONG TIME AND I THINK BROWN IS BEING VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT GOING AFTER JOHN'S CAREER AND ALSO RECORD IN OHIO AND HOW THAT HAS IMPACTED FOLKS.

>> WHO IS THE INCUMBENT IN THIS RACE?

I CAN ARTIE TELL.

>> I TALKED TO JOHN ABOUT THIS.

HE HAS TOLD STORIES THERE IS AN AD OUT THERE FROM REPUBLICANS AND BROWN APPEARS IN IT.

THEY ARE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE THAT PERCEPTION.

IT'S A THING AMONG PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING THIS MORE CLOSELY THAN YOUR AVERAGE PERSON.

>> MONDAY IS NOT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE IN THIS RACE.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT TO IT.

I WILL BE TOO MUCH.

BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DISPARITY BETWEEN THE TWO CAMPS HERE.

RIGHT?

>> THERE'S NOT.

THEY ARE NECK AND NECK WHETHER IT IS FOR THE PUBLIC I TO SEE, OR DARK ROOMS AND DARK MONEY.

SO YOU'RE RIGHT, MONEY.

IT'S THERE AND IT'S GOING TO BE THERE.

THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE ANOTHER ONE.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S MOTIVATION .

IS THERE GOING TO BE ENOUGH MAGA VOTERS TO SHOW UP WHEN THEY ARE PAYING $4.

50 GAS, $250 GROCERIES FOR A FAMILY OF FIVE.

IT'S REALLY EXPENSIVE TO LIVE IN OHIO RIGHT NOW.

>> BROWN AND ACTON, THEY NEED DEMOCRATS TO SHOW UP, THEY NEED DEMOCRATS IN CLEVELAND TO SHOW UP, STANLEY.

ARE THESE ISSUES MOTIVATING THEM?

>> I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THE AFFORDABILITY AND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE WAR TOO.

FOLKS ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN I GO TO THE GAS PUMP, IS THIS THE REASON THAT IS BECAUSE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THOSE WHO SUPPORT HIM OR NOT?

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ASKING THAT QUESTION.

I THINK THE AGENDA PRESIDENT TRUMP IS GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER.

>> OCTOBER 6th IS WHEN EARLY VOTING STARTS IN OHIO.

FIVE OR SIX WEEKS AWAY.

DOES THIS ELECTION COME DOWN TO THE STATE OF THE COUNTRY AT THAT POINT?

IF THE IRAN WAR IS STILL GOING, IF THERE IS HIGH INFLATION , GAS IS STILL $4.

50 A GALLON?

>> PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW POLITICS SAY THAT VOTER PERCEPTION ON THAT STUFF IS LOCKED IN RIGHT NOW.

I FILLED UP MY TANK TODAY, IT WAS $4.

20 A GALLON.

IT WOULD COST THAT IN MAY.

EVEN IF IT WERE TO GO DOWN TO $3.

50 A GALLON IN OCTOBER PEOPLE WILL FORGET THAT IT WAS $4.

50 A GALLON FOR MOST OF THE YEAR.

HONESTLY, THERE'S ALWAYS THE CHANCE THAT SOME HUGE, EXTERNAL EVENT WILL CHANGE PEOPLE'S PERCEPTION IN A VERY FUNDAMENTAL WAY.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE VERY OFTEN.

>> WE HAD THE JUSTICE CAVANAUGH HEARING THAT SAVED THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THAT ELECTION YEAR IN MY PERSONAL OPINION.

I DON'T SEE ANY TYPE OF EVENT LIKE THAT HAPPENING BETWEEN NOW AND EARLY VOTING OR ELECTION DAY.

2018 SAVED THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WHEN CAVANAUGH WENT FOR HIS HEARING.

>> SO MOBILIZE THE BASE?

PEOPLE WERE PAYING ATTENTION AND GOT PEOPLE MAD.

>> EXACTLY.

I DON'T SEE THAT.

I DON'T SEE A TRIGGERING EVENT BETWEEN NOW AND ELECTION DAY HAPPENING.

>> WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME BOTH IN THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION AND THIS DISCUSSION TALKING ABOUT THE NEGATIVE ADS, THE ATTACK ON THE OPPONENT.

WHAT ABOUT WHERE THEY STAND?

BROWN IS ALWAYS WITH THE WORKERS, LOWER PRICES.

HUSTED SAYS I'M WITH VETERANS, POLICE OFFICERS, YOUNGER PEOPLE FINDING CAREER OPTIONS.

ARE THOSE THINGS RESONATING?

OR IS IT ALL ABOUT THE ECONOMY AND NEGATIVE?

>> I THINK IT'S ALL ABOUT THE ECONOMY.

I THINK THE NEGATIVE ADS JUST GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT OF DRAMA.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, VOTERS ONLY REALLY CARE ABOUT THE ECONOMY AND WHAT'S IN THEIR POCKET.

AGAIN, AS SOMEONE WHO IS ALSO A YOUNG PROFESSIONAL IN THIS CITY AND THE STATE, THAT'S WHAT MY FRIENDS ARE ALL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT RIGHT NOW.

CAN I AFFORD TO BUY A HOME?

CAN I AFFORD TO HAVE KIDS?

AND CAN I AFFORD TO EVEN GO TO WORK?

>> WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN, MIKE, IT COULD HAVE BEEN VIVEK RAMASWAMY AGAINST BROWN AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN HUSTED AGAINST ACTON IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE.

VERY EASILY.

HOW WOULD THIS RACE BE DIFFERENT?

WOULD IT BE DIFFERENT IF IT WAS SWITCHED?

>> 11.

9 PEOPLE MADE THAT DECISION, THAT'S GOVERNOR MIKE.

>> AND THEY GAVE IT TO RAMASWAMY TOO FOR GOVERNOR.

>> THERE'S A COUPLE VARIATIONS OF THAT STORY.

ONE OF US IS RIGHT.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF IT WAS OPPOSITE I THINK IT WOULD BE A MUCH EASIER PATH FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THIS NOVEMBER IN THE MIDTERM YEAR WITH THE PARTY IN POWER.

I THINK VIVEK WOULD HAVE DONE VERY GOOD AGAINST BROWN ON THE NATIONAL STAGE.

I THINK JOHN HUSTED, JUST A LOCAL BOY , A UNIVERSITY OF DAYTON FOOTBALL PLAYER.

I THINK THEY BOTH HAVE THEIR STRENGTHS ON THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL.

>> --COULD HAVE BEEN RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR.

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT DIFFERENT.

>> A LOT DIFFERENT.

WE WOULD HAVE HAD, WHAT MIKE ALSO MENTIONED, A SIMILAR RESULT AND I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A TOUGHER WAY BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN IN AN ELECTED OFFICE AND THAT GIVES THEM BOTH A LOT OF STRENGTH.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE CONS TO THAT TOO.

BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE PEOPLE WANT TO SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND WE ARE SEEING THAT ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW.

>> WE MISSED THAT ON A PRIMARY TO HELP DEFINE THESE CANDIDATES A LITTLE BIT MORE, ANDREW, RIGHT?

>> I DON'T WANT TO JUMP INTO ANY POSSIBLE FUTURE CONVERSATIONS.

FOR AMY ACTON , IN PARTICULAR, FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS NEVER HELD AN ELECTED OFFICE BEFORE AND NEVER BEEN ASKED HER OPINION OR EXPRESSED ONE ON MANY ISSUES FOR AN ENTIRE LIFE, SHE WOULD BE FORCED TO DO THAT IN A PRIMARY.

I THINK THIS GENERAL ELECTION WOULD HAVE PLAYED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.

>> WOULD HAVE HELPED HER?

>> TRULY, THIS IS A VERY CYNICAL THING.

IT HELPED HER TO NOT HAVE A PRIMARY BECAUSE IT GAVE HER A WIDER FIELD.

TO SAY WHAT SHE WANTS TO SAY ABOUT WHAT ISSUES.

YES, IT HELPS HER SURE.

>> SHE'S NOT MAKING MISTAKES IN THE GENERAL OF THE PRIMARY.

WE ARE DOING MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKING AND NOT EVEN TO HALFTIME YET.

LEADERS AND IMMIGRATION -- LANDED IN FEDERAL COURT THIS WEEK.

THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS SUING FRANKLIN COUNTY MUNICIPAL COURT FOR ITS ROLE , WHICH BARS IMMIGRATION AGENTS FROM DETAINING PEOPLE AT THE COURTHOUSE WITHOUT A JUDGE'S WARRANT.

COURT OFFICIALS SAY DETENTIONS PREVENT IMMIGRANTS TESTIFYING IN CASES AND CONDUCTING NORMAL COURT BUSINESS.

THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SAYS FEDERAL LAW SUPERSEDES LOCAL RULES.

AGENTS SAY IT IS SAFER TO DETAIN SUSPECTED UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS AT THE COURTHOUSE MAN ON THE STREET.

STANLEY GETS, THE COURTHOUSE IS A PUBLIC SPACE.

THESE ORDERS ARE LAWFUL .

FROM A JUDGE.

BUT THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS.

WHY CAN'T FEDERAL AGENTS BE ALLOWED TO DO THEIR JOB IN THE COURTHOUSE?

>> I THINK THAT FOLKS ARE GOING INTO HANDLE WHATEVER MATTER THEY HAVE FOR THE COURT.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING IN FOR AND THAT'S WHAT IT SHOULD BE.

IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, I DON'T THINK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE DOING THAT.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S JOB IS TO ENFORCE THAT LAW.

HOWEVER, LOCALS SHOULD NOT BE COMPELLED TO DO THAT AS WELL.

>> THESE ARE CIVIL IMMIGRATION VIOLATIONS, UNLESS YOU GO ACROSS THE BORDER AND COME BACK, THESE ARE CIVIL CASES.

SHOULD IMMIGRATION OFFICIALS BE IN THE COURTHOUSES FISHING FOR CIVIL VIOLATIONS?

>> YES.

WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY OF LAWS.

WE ENFORCE THE LAWS OR WE DON'T.

THEN WE DON'T HAVE LAWS, WE HAVE CHAOS AND ANARCHY.

THESE IMMIGRATION OFFICIALS, THEIR HUSBANDS AND WIVES.

THEY LIVE IN CENTRAL OHIO.

THAN NOT FLOWN IN.

THEIR KIDS GO TO MY KIDS' SCHOOL.

THEIR ORDERS FROM THEIR SUPERIORS ARE TO GO.

HE DETAIN PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE ILLEGALLY, WHETHER AT A GROCERY STORE, A COURTHOUSE, THE CORNER OF HIGH AND BROAD.

IT SHOULDN'T MATTER WHERE YOU'RE AT.

YOU ARE HERE.

AND IF YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE THEY ARE JUST DOING THEIR JOB.

THEY HAVE LOCAL GOVERNMENT .

IF YOU WANT TO HELP, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

BUT DON'T HINDER THE FEDERAL AGENTS, AMERICANS, TO DO THEIR JOB.

>> ANDREW, THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE THINGS AROUND OHIO THAT ARE NOT COOPERATING WITH FEDERAL AGENTS.

THE VILLAGE OF UTICA RECENTLY DECIDED TO HELP FEDERAL AGENTS.

BUT THOSE SEEM TO BE PURELY FINANCIAL.

GRANTS FOR POLICE OFFICERS AND SCHOOLS.

>> THIS IS A POLITICAL ISSUE, OBVIOUSLY.

IF YOU WERE TO ASK , DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS, THEY WILL TELL YOU KNOW.

BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO DO THAT.

I THINK FOR A LOT OF CITIES IT IS PROBABLY THE POLITICAL PART OF IT.

SORT OF LIKE ICING ON THE CAKE.

LOCAL GOVERNMENTS LIKE TO STAY IN THEIR LANE.

>> THE DEMOCRATS HAVE DONE THE PULLING AND SAFETY PULLS VERY WELL FOR THE REPUBLICANS.

YOU WILL SEE THE HEADLINES ANYMORE OBVIOUSLY, CHRISTINE GNOME IS GONE FROM THE DHS DEPARTMENT.

THEY ARE WORKING.

THE GOVERNORS, BIG CITIES WITH ILLINOIS, THEY ARE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NOW BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE ISSUE OF SAFETY AND THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THESE URBAN ENVIRONMENTS.

SO IT IS HAPPENING.

THERE IS COOPERATION.

>> WE ARE NOT SEEING THE BLITZES AND THE RAIDS.

BUT THE AMOUNT OF DETENTIONS, IT'S AT THE HIGHEST POINT SINCE TRUMP TOOK OFFICE FOR THE SECOND TIME.

>> YEP .

THAT'S THE THING.

NO ONE IS SAYING, DON'T ENFORCE IT.

WHAT FOLKS ARE SAYING , THOUGH, IS THERE IS A TIME AND PLACE.

THERE'S A SYSTEM SET IN PLACE AND THAT'S WHERE IT SHOULD BE.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET CAUGHT UP IN CLINICAL RHETORIC WHERE WE FEEL LIKE FOLKS WERE TRYING TO ABIDE BY THE LAW HAVE ACCESS TO JUSTICE ARE ACTUALLY BEING PUT NOW IN ANOTHER SITUATION.

IF YOU CATCH THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE JUST GET A WARRANT.

THAT'S ON THE TABLE AS WELL IF IT'S SERIOUS.

>> OFF THE RECORD, OUR FINAL PARTING SHOTS FOR THIS WEEK .

MIKE, GO FIRST.

>> I'VE BEEN ON THE MEDICAL BOARD FOR 15 YEARS, MIKE.

THE NEXT IMPORTANT THING WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE DEALING WITH IS KETAMINE, TELEHEALTH AND THESE DOCTORS SHIPPING IT IN IN TRUCKLOADS.

WE NEED TO KEEP AN EYE ON KETAMINE LIKE WE DID WITH OPIOIDS AND OXYCONTIN.

IT'S GETTING WORSE NOT BETTER.

>> STANLEY?

>> --HE WAS SOMEONE THAT WAS MURDERED ON RIGHTFULLY SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.

>> ENTER?

>> ON ISSUE THREE CAMPAIGN, IT'S HAVING AN EVENT TOMORROW THAT IS BASICALLY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THIS IS THE VOTER I. D. AMENDMENT THAT VOTERS WILL DECIDE IN NOVEMBER.

I'M STILL DECIDING IF IT'S GOING TO BE A KNOWN ISSUE FOR THE CAMPAIGN.

>> WE WILL PROBABLY SEE ADS, I'M SURE.

THE MOBILIZED BASIS.

WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS OUR CONDOLENCES TO STATE REPRESENTATIVE MILLER.

HE WAS ON THE SHOW.

A FEW YEARS BACK HE SERVED COLUMBUS FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS.

A GREAT FRIEND OF COLUMBUS AND COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD.

MIKE'S MEMORY OF HIM IS HIM AND SAM GRESHAM TELLING STORIES FROM THE OLD DAYS, POLITICS AND THE CITY OF COLUMBUS.

IT WAS A JOY TO LISTEN TO.

MY CONDOLENCES TO THE RAY MILLER FAMILY.

HE WILL BE MISSED.

THAT IS "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD" FOR THE WEEK.

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