>>> CANDIDATES FOR GOVERNOR PROMISE PROPERTY TAX CUTS.. BUT HOW AND BY HOW MUCH?

>> WELCOME TO COLUMBUS >> RAPIDLY RISING PROPERTY ON THE RECORD.TAXES IS A TOP ISSUE FOR VOTERS THIS FALL.

DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR AMY ACTON THIS WEEK PRESENTED HER PLAN TO LOWER TAX BILLS FOR SOME.

HER PLAN CALLS FOR EXTENDING THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION WHICH HELPS LOW TO MODERATE INCOME SENIORS.

SHE ALSO PROPOSES A REBATE TO LOW AND MODERATE INCOME OHIOANS WHO SEE SHARP INCREASES IN PROPERTY TAXES.

REPUBLICAN VIVEK RAMASWAMY HAS PROMISED TO REDUCE PROPERTY TAXES ACROSS THE BOARD TO LEVELS FROM BEFORE THE END OF THE PANDEMIC.

NEITHER CANDIDATE HAS SAID HOW REDUCTION IN LOCAL TAX REVENUE PROPERTY TAX RELIEF IS TOPIC ONE THIS WEEK.. HERE TO DISUSS IT IS .. SARAH DONALDSON, STATEHOUSE REPORTER FOR OHIO PUBLIC RADIO MARIA BRUNO, DIRECTOR OF OHIOANS AGAINST EXTREMISM AND MARK WEAVER, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST.

THE PROPOSALS ARE SPECIFIC BUT THEY'RE KIND OF MODEST.

THEY WON'T HAVE A LOT OF IMPACT ON MOST OHIOANS.

>> YES.

WHAT SHE IS PROPOSING IS NOT A HUGE OVERHAUL OF THE CURRENT PROPERTY TAX SYSTEM AND SOME OF THE PROPOSALS ARE MAY BE FAMILIAR TO OHIOANS WHO HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING IT VERY CLOSELY AND WITH THE LEGISLATURE HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR SOME TIME .

EXPANDING THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.

SHE'S PROPOSED SOMETHING SIMILAR TO A CIRCUIT BREAKER WHERE YOUR PROPERTY TAXES HIT A CERTAIN POINT AND THERE IS A CUT OFF.

I HAVEN'T BROKEN DOWN THAT PROPOSAL, BUT IT IS NOTHING EARTH SHATTERING.

>> IT'S GOING TO COST HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THE LEGISLATIVE ANALYST'S HAVE LOOKED AT A. IT'S VERY HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS LOCAL MONEY BUT HOW DO YOU MAKE IT UP?

>> I THINK THE REALITY IS THE STATE HAS REALLY DISINVEST IT FROM LOCAL COMMUNITIES AND ULTIMATELY IT'S A RACE FOR THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE , WHO WILL HAVE A HUGE INFLUENCE ON HOW MUCH MONEY GETS SENT TO THE LOCALITIES FROM THE STATE ITSELF.

THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, BE A POTENTIAL AVENUE FOR MAKING UP THE LOST REVENUE.

I WANT TO SEE THE FINE PRINT , BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD PLACE TO START.

>> MORE SPECIFIC TO VIVEK RAMASWAMY, WHO SENT HIM TO GIVE LARGEST PROPERTY TAX CUT IN HISTORY BUT THAT'S IT.

>> PROPERTY TAX OWNERS AND SENIOR TAXES INCREASE BETWEEN 40 TO 50% SINCE THE PANDEMIC.

SHE'S PICKING WINNERS AND LOSERS.

SOME PROPERTY OWNERS SHE WANTS A TAX INCREASE.

IT SHOULD BE ACROSS THE BOARD AND HE HAS OFFERED A WAY TO PAY FOR.

HE SAID HE WHILE POLICIES THAT BRING MORE GROWTH AND WHEN THERE'S MORE REVENUE COMING INTO THE STATE THERE'S MORE MONEY IN THE GENERAL FUND THERE'S LESS NEED TO PUT IT IN THE LOCAL FUND.

IT OUGHT TO BE FOR EVERYBODY.

WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER AND EVERYONE SHOULD GET A TAX BREAK.

>> NO THESE PROPOSALS CAN BE ENOUGH?

IT GOES TO THE AFFORDABILITY ISSUE IN GENERAL .

THE PROPERTY TAX QUESTION IS NOT AS URGENT.

ARE THESE GOING TO BE ENOUGH?

>> IT'S TOUGH TO SAY.

LAWMAKERS HAVE BEEN WRESTLING WITH THIS FOR SOME TIME .

LONGER THAN THESE CANDIDATES HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY CAMPAIGNING , AND OF COURSE, THE LEGISLATURE DID PASS A COUPLE OF PIECES OF PROPERTY TAX LEGISLATION ALREADY, BUT ON THE FLIPSIDE THERE ARE CONCERNS FROM THE LOCALS ABOUT WHAT IT ALL LOOKS LIKE AND IF THERE ARE CUTS TO PROPERTY TAXES HOW DOES >> THE BIG PICTURE REFORMS.

CONSOLIDATING GOVERNMENT.

CHANGING -- AMY ACTON SAYS SHE WANTS TO FIX THE SCHOOL FUNDING PROGRAM BUT WE FOR THAT FOR 30 YEARS.

>> HERE'S THE THING.

WHEN IT COMES TO SCHOOL FUNDING, THEY DID TRY TO FIX IT.

A PAST THE ACT AND THEY STOPPED IMPLEMENTING IT AND IT WAS DESIGNED TO PREVENT WHAT WE ARE SEEING NOW WHICH ARE THESE PROPERTY TAX SPIKES.

IT'S NOT HELPFUL THAT WE GIVE HUGE TAX GIVEAWAYS TO BIG CORPORATIONS .

I THINK THAT WE KNOW THE ANSWER BECAUSE IT WORKS THROUGH THIS QUESTION AT THE STATEHOUSE.

WE STOPPED IMPLEMENTING THE SOLUTION.

>> WITHOUT THE ABOLISHMENT QUESTION ON THE BALLOT THIS FALL, IT'S POSSIBLY THE NEXT YEAR, THE CANDIDATES --I HAVE A PLAN .

MINE IS VAGUELY AMBITION --ONE OF THE CANDIDATES DO?

KNOW THERE IS A NEED FOR PROPERTY TAX RELIEF.

HOW DO WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE BOTH CANDIDATES FOR GOVERNOR ARE TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY TAX RELIEF.

IN YEARS PAST THE REPUBLICANS WOULD SAY WE NEED TAX RELIEF AND THE DEMOCRATS WOULD SAY WE DO NOT.

THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE HAS BEEN HEARD AND AT THE SCHOOL LEVEL PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED THAT THEIR SCHOOL TAXES CONTINUE TO GO UP BUT LEARNING OBJECTIVES HAVE NOT ADVANCED PARTICULARLY SINCE THE PANDEMIC.

>> THEY KEEP PASSING AND ALSO WE'VE HAD LITERALLY OVER $1 BILLION GO FROM PUBLIC SCHOOLS TO NOW PRIVATE CHARTER SCHOOLS.

IT'S NOT LIKE THEY ARE WORKING WITH EVEN THE SAME AMOUNT OF RESOURCES.

>> THEY ARE DISTINCTLY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

>> AND THERE'S THE PRIVATE SCHOOL VOUCHERS .

>> ALTHOUGH LEVIES TO KEEP PASSING THERE HAVE BEEN A SLOW NUMBER OF FAILED LEVIES AND SCHOOLS THAT HAVE TAKEN A DIFFERENT APPROACH.

THEY TRY INCOME TAX INCREASE.

I THINK THAT IS SEVERALLY A CONCERN FOR SCHOOLS NOTABLY AS WELL WHEN THEY ARE WORKING AROUND AND SEEING SOME BIG SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

>> SPEAKING OF LEVIES, COLLEGES ARE LOOKING AT A PLAN TO RAISE TAXES AND FRANKLIN COUNTY.

THEM I PUT A PROPERTY TAX LEVY ON FALL BALLOT TO PROVIDE FREE TUITION TO ALL FRANKLIN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES.

IT WOULD COST ABOUT $67 PER $100,000 IN HOME VALUE.

THE IDEA HAS SPARKED CONTROVERSY FROM THE COLUMBUS MAYOR.

THE PROPERTY TAX MONEY WOULD HELP THEM EXPAND THEIR CLOVIS PROMISE PROGRAM, THAT PROVIDES FREE TUITION TO CITY SCHOOL GRADUATES.

THAT PROGRAM HAS FACED CRITICISM.

ONLY HALF OF COLUMBUS STUDENTS EARNED A DEGREE OR CERTIFICATE FROM, THE STATE.

FIRST TO THE TIMING.

PUTTING A LEVY ON THE BALLOT THIS FALL WITH ALL OF THE TALK ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES, IS AT THE WISEST THING TO DO?

BUT PROBABLY NOT.

I DON'T KNOW.

I WAS TRYING TO READ INTO THIS BEFORE THE CONVERSATION AND EVERYBODY MADE GOOD POINTS AND I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT PROGRAM .

IS THIS THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD FUND IT?

I DON'T KNOW.

SHOULD THEY HAVE DONE MORE COMMUNITY OUTREACH?

THAT'S USUALLY THE CASE.

I HOPE THEY DON'T SCRAP THE PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY ARE HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME FIGURING OUT WHERE TO FIND THE MONEY.

>> THE PROGRAM IS THE COLUMBUS PROMISE PROGRAM.

IT WAS FUNDED PRIVATE.

BUT THEY OBVIOUSLY NEED A FUNDING SOURCE.

IT IS FREE TUITION FOR EVERY HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATE AND FRANKLIN COUNTY IS A GOOD IDEA?

>> I DON'T THINK SO BUT THIS IS A REMINDER THAT THERE'S NO SUCH THING THAT GOVERNMENT IS FREE.

SOMEONE ELSE IS PAYING FOR SOMEBODY ELSE'S EDUCATION.

PEOPLE WHO NEVER WENT TO COLLEGE WILL PAY FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO GO TO COLLEGE.

WITH THE HIGH COST OF PRIVATE COLLEGES, COLUMBUS STATE SHOULD BE FED UP TO IT ATTRACT MORE STUDENTS WHO WOULD COME OVER AND GET THE REAL LIFE SKILLS THAT YOU GET AT A COMMUNITY COLLEGE.

YOU THINK THEY WOULD BE WELL SET TO FIND THOSE PEOPLE THE STUDENTS FLEEING THE COST OF THESE PRIVATE UNIVERSITIES.

>> THESE STUDENTS ARE NOT QUALIFIED OR THEY WEREN'T READY TO GO TO COLLEGE AND THEY ARE TAKING THIS PLUNGE AND SOMETHING HAPPENS.

EITHER THEY DON'T DO WELL OR LIVE EVENT HAPPENS AND THEY DROP OUT.

>> I THINK ALSO SOME OF THE ARGUMENT AGAINST IT THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE LAST WEEK IS THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PUBLIC DISCOURSE.

THIS REALLY CAME OUT AND I HAVE NOT REALLY BEEN COVERING IT AS CLOSELY, BUT THE CLUB IS DISPATCH HAS STORIES ABOUT THE FORMER MAYOR BEING AGAINST IT .

IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DEBATE THAT IS SEEPED OUT INTO THE PUBLIC AND THAT'S A VERY SHORT ORDER TO DECIDE IF SOMETHING IS WORTH PUTTING ON THE BALLOT.

>> HIGH SCHOOL --PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL TUITION FREE.

BUT IT IS TUITION FREE.

'S SHOULD COMMUNITY COLLEGE BE TUITION FREE?

IT'S THE BRIDGE BETWEEN HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE FOR MANY STUDENTS.

>> I THINK WE ARE ALL SERVED AS A COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE A SMARTER WORKFORCE WHEN WE CAN INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO KEEP LEARNING AND TRYING FOR SOME OF THESE TECH --THAT REQUIRE A COLLEGE EDUCATION USUALLY.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD WRITE THEM OFF AS TRADE SCHOOLS AND ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY THAT COMES FROM LOW INCOME SHOULD JUST GO TO A TRADE SCHOOL.

I THINK THAT'S SHORTSIGHTED AND PROBLEMATIC.

EVERY STUDENT DESERVES THE OPPORTUNITY.

RIGHT NOW THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS CHANGED THE RULES AROUND HOW MUCH LOAN YOU CAN TAKE OUT, WHICH MEANS IT HAS FEWER OPTIONS THESE DAYS THAN THEY DID A FEW YEARS AGO.

>> ASKING FOR THEM TO PAY FOR THE COLLEGE EDUCATION , BUT POST- HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION, DOES IT OFFER AN INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO BE A MORE SERIOUS STUDENT?

YOU HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME AND YOU HAVE TO SHOP FOR CLASS AND YOU HAVE TO DO WELL.

IS THERE AN ECONOMIC ARGUMENT THERE?

>> AND FRANKLIN COUNTY, THE BEST INVESTMENT IS IN YOURSELF AND PUTTING YOUR OWN MONEY TOWARD YOUR OWN EDUCATION MAKES SENSE.

THE PROBLEM TAXPAYERS ARE FRUSTRATED WITH HIS STUDENTS MAY BE INCENTIVIZED TO TAKE DEGREE PROGRAMS THAT WILL NOT GET THEM A JOB.

POETRY IS LOVELY AND MAJORING IN POETRY WILL NOT GET A GOOD JOB WHERE OTHERS , PARTICULARLY THE TECH SECTOR AND STEM NAI, THOSE ARE PLACES WHERE THERE WILL BE JOBS.

THE RULE SHOULD BE IN ORDER TO GET THE FREE TUITION IT SHOULD BE A PROGRAM WHERE YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO GET A JOB.

>> AI COMPANIES ARE HIRING A LOT OF ENGLISH MAJORS.

>> AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A MINOR IN TECH.

>> THE FORDHAM INSTITUTE SAID OTHER STATES HAVE THIS.

GEORGIA HAD IT FOR A WHILE AND IF YOU GOT A CERTAIN GRADE IN HIGH SCHOOL YOU COULD GO TO WASTE A COLLEGE TUITION FREE.

ANY TALK ABOUT DOING THAT?

>> I HAVE NOT NECESSARILY HEARD THAT BUT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME OTHER SOURCE OF PROGRAMS THAT GET AT THIS AT LEAST KEEPING KIDS IN OHIO WHEN THEY GRADUATE.

THE GOVERNORS MERIT SCHOLARSHIP FOR STUDENTS ABOVE A CERTAIN GPA , I THINK THE STATE CAN INCENTIVIZE STUDENTS WHO WANT TO GO TO COLLEGE TO STAY IN OHIO BUT LESS SO ON THIS FRONT.

'S BUT THIS WILL BE A NICHE IN THE MAYOR'S RACE.

THE MAYOR CUT THE PROMISED MONEY FROM THE CITY BUDGET.

CITY COUNCIL PUT IT BACK IN AND THIS WILL BE AN ISSUE IN THE MAYOR'S RACE.

BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING AWAY.

>> WHEN THE LEVY MAKES IT ON THE BALLOT THIS FALL, IT LOOKS DOUBTFUL.

>>> TWO YEARS AGO TRANSGENDER RIGHTS BECAME A BIG ISSUE IN CAMPAIGNS FOR PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS.

BERNIE MORENO AND HIS SUPPORTERS RAN AD AFTER AD ACCUSING SHERROD BROWN OF BEING MORE FOR THEY, THEM AND NOT YOU.

DEMOCRATS THIS YEAR SEEM READY TO TRY TO BLUNT THE ISSUE.

AFTER THE SUPREME COURT DECISION UPHOLDING A BAN ON TRANS WOMEN COMPETINNG IN FEMALE SPORTS, AMY ACTON ISSUED A STATEMENT TO THE TOLEDO BLADE THAT SHE-QUOTE - DOES NOT APPROVE OF BOYS PLAYING IN GIRLS SPORTS.

THAT BROUGHT SHARP CRITICISM FROM TRANSGENDER ADVOCATES.. AND ACTON HAS SINCE TRIED TO CLARIFY HER SUPPORT FOR LGBT RIGHTS.

UNION ORGANIZATION WERE CRITICAL OF THE FIRST STATEMENT.

WHY?

>> I THINK IT SAYS A LOT ABOUT A CANDIDATE ABOUT HOW THEY TO CRITICISM.

WE DIDN'T LIKE AS SHE PHRASED IT AND I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THE FACT THAT SHE'S GIVING 20 HOURS OF SPEECHES EACH WEEK.

WE ARE ON FOR 25 MINUTES AND I HOPE NOT TO PUT MY FOOT IN MY MOUTH.

WHEN SHE WAS SUBJECTED TO THE CRITICISM , SHE DID TWO THINGS.

SHE REAFFIRMED HER SUPPORT FOR LGBTQ COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND THAT SHE WILL DEFEND THEIR CIVIL RIGHTS.

AND SHE REACHED OUT DIRECTLY TO LEADERS HAVE A LONGER CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW SHE CAN BE AN ALLY.

REACTING TO CRITICISM THAT WAS LEGITIMATE AND WORKING THROUGH IT WITH MEMBERS OF THE OHIO COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK WE COMPARE THAT TO HER OPPONENT AND THE OTHER OPTION AND VIVEK RAMASWAMY DID A BOOK TOUR ABOUT HOW HE WAS THE VICTIM OF BEING WOKE AND DONALD TRUMP LAST WEEK SAID THE CHIPS ACT REQUIRED COMPANIES TO HIRE TRANSGENDER PEOPLE A COMPLETE FICTION AND THEY ARE COMMUNITY >> SHE DIDN'T SUPPORT TRANS WOMAN PLAYING ON SPORTS TEAMS BUT NOW SHE'S IN LINE SHOWING 75% OF AMERICANS HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

>> THE FIRST THING SHE DID IT WAS CLARIFY THAT'S NOT WHAT SHE MEANT.

THE REALITY IS WHETHER I LIKE IT OR NOT WE ALREADY HAVE TRANSGENDER KIDS THAT ARE ALIENATED IN SCHOOL.

WE HAVE KIDS NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY SCHOOL SPORTS.

THE FACT THAT WE ARE LITIGATING THIS AFTERNOON 2024 $200 MILLION WAS SPENT BY REPUBLICANS TO SPECIFICALLY TARGET TRANS- PEOPLE.

IT'S CLEAR TO ME IS COMING UP BECAUSE IT'S A CAMPAIGN TIME AND A ISSUE THEY LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.

>> WILL WE BE TALKING ABOUT IT THE CYCLE AS WE DID LAST CYCLE?

$38 MILLION THAT BERNIE MORENO DID ON ADDS.

SHE KIND OF HAS INTENTIONALLY OR NOT PUT YOURSELF WITH THE MAINSTREAM OPINION.

>> SHE'S TRYING TO APPEAL TO THE LARGE SWATH OF PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THAT BOYS -- GIRLS SHOULD NOT BE PLAYING IN BOYS SPORTS AND VICE VERSA.

WHAT SHE DIDN'T SAY SHE WOULD NOT STOP THE 19-YEAR-OLD HIGH SCHOOL SENIOR WHO THINKS SHE'S A FEMALE FROM SHOWERING NEXT TO THE FRESHMAN GIRL IN THE LOCKER ROOM.

SHE DIDN'T GO THAT FAR.

ANY PARENT OF THE DAUGHTER WILL TELL YOU IT'S ABSURD THAT A FULLY INTACT MALE SHOULD BE SHOWERING IN A HIGH SCHOOL -- >> I DON'T THINK THAT'S HAPPENING.

>> IF YOU ALLOW -- >> SEVEN TRANS-ATHLETES OUT OF 400,000 ATHLETES.

BUT THE NUMBERS ARE DISPUTED HEAVILY.

>> SOME MEN MISTAKENLY THINK THEY ARE WOMEN AND DESERVE OUR COMPASSION AND DESERVE COUNSELING, BUT THEY DON'T DESERVE SHOWERING NEXT TO A YOUNG GIRL WHO IS ALREADY IN FRONT OF OTHER WOMEN.

>> I HAVE PERSONALLY KNOWN SEVERAL FAMILIES OF TRENDS THAT HAVE HAD TO LEAVE THE STATE BECAUSE THE ENVIRONMENT IS SO HOSTILE TO THEIR KIDS .

I USED TO SIT NEXT TO A HIGHSCHOOLER THAT WAS DOING THE MATH HOMEWORK WHILE THEY WAITED TO TESTIFY ABOUT WHY THEY SHOULD PLAY IN SCHOOL SPORTS.

THIS IS AN ATTACK ON A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY SUBJECTED TO A TON OF BULLYING AND OTHER CONSEQUENCES AND I THINK IT IS SO CRAZY THAT EVEN WHEN THE REPUBLICANS GET EVERYTHING THEY WANT THEY CAN HELP THEMSELVES.

>> WHERE DOES THIS PLAY IN THIS CAMPAIGN?

WE TALKED ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES, AFFORDABILITY, A LITTLE BIT OF SEEING PEOPLE AS TO FAR LEFT.

I DON'T SEE THE SHOWING UP THIS FAR IN THE CAMPAIGN.

>> QUITE FRANKLY , BOTH CANDIDATES CAN SAY WHATEVER THEY WANT , BUT IT'S A SETTLED ISSUE IN OHIO.

THERE IS A BAN ON TRANS KIDS IN YOUTH SPORTS IN OHIO .

THE SUPREME COURT HAS UPHELD THAT STATES CAN DO THAT.

>> THEY JUST HAVE TO PLAY SPORTS ALIGNED WITH THEIR SEX.

EVERYONE CAN PLAY SPORTS.

THE NOTION THAT THEY ARE BANNED FROM SOURCES NOT TRUE.

>> A SETTLED ISSUE IN THAT REGARD.

I THINK ANY -- AMY ACTON, IF SHE WERE TO WIN THE RACE, THE LEGISLATURE IS GOOD HAVE VERY SIMILAR DEMOGRAPHICS AND THE LEGISLATURE --I THINK IT'S AN ISSUE --IT'S ELECTION TIME.

BUT IT IS A SUBTLE ISSUE IN OHIO.

POLICE UNION HAS ISSUED ITS EDORSEMENTS FOR THIS FALL'S ELECTION ñ AND THEY ALL GO TO REPUBLICANS.

IT'S PART OF A RECENT TREND.

POLICE UNION ENDORSEMENTS USED TO BE MORE BI-PARTISAN.. THE OHIO FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE HAS ENDORSED SHERROD BROWN IN THE PAST.

IT ENDORSED DEMOCRAT RICHARD CORDRAY OVER MIKE DEWINE IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE 8 YEARS AGO.. IT'S NOT A HUGE STORY BUT IT WAS A COMPLETE SWEEP ALL REPUBLICANS, A BIT OF SURPRISE.

YOU WORKED WITH THE POLICE UNION.

>> I'M A MEMBER AND I ADVISE THE STATE FOP.

THEY'VE ENDORSED IN BOTH REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATS SO THEY HAVE CLEAR EYES THAT THEY NEED TO WORK WITH POLICYMAKERS WHO SUPPORT POLICE.

FOR YEARS WE HAD WITH DEMOCRATS TALKING ABOUT SUPPORTING POLICE BUT IT IS SO CAPTURED BY THE FAR LEFT TO DEFUND POLICE MOVEMENT THAT EVERY RANK-AND- FILE POLICE OFFICERS KNOWS WHICH PARTY IS STANDING BEHIND THE WORK THEY DO.

>> THERE'S A NUANCE.

SOME OF THE FAR LEFT ARE DEFUND POLICE BUT MOST ARE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE .

MORE OVERSIGHT BUT ALL DEMOCRATS LUMPED IN WITH THE FUND THE POLICE.

AND IT'S HURTING THEM.

>> WE ARE ALL SEEING WITH OUR WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OVERSTEPS AUTHORITY AND SUBJECTS CITIZENS TO ARREST AND IMPRISONMENT WITHOUT HAVING ANY CAUSE.

THE SALIENT ISSUE FOR THE DEMOCRATIC BASE IS WE CARE ABOUT A LIMITED GOVERNMENT AND EVERYBODY HAVING THE RIGHT TO BE FREE FROM PERSECUTION ESSENTIALLY.

I JUST KIND OF THINK -- I DON'T THINK IT'S A SURPRISE.

I ALSO THINK --WE SAW THE OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY ENDORSED VIVEK RAMASWAMY AND MOST OF THEIR BASE DIDN'T LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEY WANTED THE OPTION THEMSELVES.

I THINK WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS THESE ENDORSEMENT --NOBODY WANTS TO BE TOLD WHO TO VOTE FOR.

IT'S NO SURPRISE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WILL MATTER THAT MUCH.

>> IT WON'T STOP CANDIDATES FROM DOING ADDS.

>> OF COURSE NOT AND THIS WAS AN ISSUE IN PRIOR CAMPAIGNS.

THE WRITING WAS ON THE WALLS BECAUSE THE FOP DECLINED TO ENDORSE A RACE BETWEEN BERNIE MORENO AND SHERROD BROWN.

THE RANK AND FILED --NOT SHOCKED THAT THIS CAME OUT AND I DO THINK AS SOMEONE WHO IS SPOKEN TO A LOT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT JUST BECAUSE I WORK IN A BUILDING THAT HAS A LOT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND I LIVE IN A CITY , THERE ARE CERTAINLY , REGARDLESS OF WHAT A CANDIDATE HAS SAID THERE ARE SOME WOUNDS ON THAT SIDE ABOUT HOW 2020 PLAYED OUT.

>> SPEAKING OF WOUNDS, HE THOUGHT THE REPEALING OF IT THAT WOULD'VE TAKEN AWAY BARGAINING RIGHTS OF THE POLICE UNIONS.

DID UNION MEMBERS FORGET THAT?

>> I THINK KEITH WOULD SAY AT THE TIME HE WOULD'VE LOVED TO CARVEOUT POLICE AND FIRE BUT JOHN KASICH INSISTED ON THEM BEING IN SENATE BILL FIVE.

IF YOU TALK TO THE RANK-AND- FILE THEY KNOW HE IS STRONG FOR WHAT POLICE ARE TRYING TO DO.

IT WAS NO SURPRISE TO ME.

>>> WE END THE SHOW WITH A DISCUSSION ON PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE.

THE THINGS THAT KEEP OUR PHONES RUNNING - DATA CENTERS.

THIS WEEK SENATOR JON HUSTED INTRODUCED LEGISLATION THAT WOULD REQUIRE DATA CENTERS PAY FOR ELECTRIC GRID UPGRADES.

COLUMBUS CITY COUNCIL THIS WEEK HEARD CALLS TO BAN DATA CENTERS IN THE CITY, BUT MEMBERS SEEMED MORE INCLINED TO TOUGHEN REGULATIONS RATHER THAN PROHIBIT THE CENTERS ALL TOGETHER MEANWHILE.. DATA CENTERS ARE FIGHTING BACKÖ THEY ARE RUNNING THIS TV AD.

[ VIDEO PLAYING ] >> A VERY DIFFERENT MESSAGE.

>> >> I'VE SEEN THAT AD EVERY TIME I SIT DOWN TO WATCH TELEVISION AND THE LAST FEW WEEKS.

THAT CAMPAIGN DID NOT GET THE SIGNATURES IT NEEDED AND IT WON'T BE ON THE BALLOT.

I DEFINITELY THINK THOSE IN THE STATE WHO HAVE ADVOCATED FOR DATA CENTER EXPANSION ARE CONCERNED AT THE SERIOUS LEVEL OF FRUSTRATION AND CONCERN THAT IS COMING FROM REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS.

>> JON HUSTED IS THE FACE OF DATA CENTERS.

YOU SEE THAT EVERY TIME HE'S ON A STREAMING EVENT.

DOES HIS SUPPORT MAKE THEM PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE -- >> I THINK IT'S SIMILAR TO AN ARSONIST PUTTING OUT A FIRE.

HE'S BEEN A KEY PLAYER IN RUNNING THE STATE FOR MANY YEARS.

WE GAVE AWAY 40 YEARS OF TAX BREAKS AND THEY HAD NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS AND THESE ARE NOT THINGS YOU DO WHEN YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING.

NOW IS TRYING TO MAKE UP FOR IT.

>> WE USE DATA CENTERS FOR COMPUTERS BUT I DON'T WANT TO PAY HIGH ELECTRIC RATES.

>> WE ALSO DON'T WANT CHINA CONTROLLING THE DATA THAT WE HAVE TO USE TO MANAGE OUR COUNTRY AND OUR GOVERNMENT .

WHAT'S INTERESTING WHAT SARAH SAID IS THE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS THERE ARE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS IN BOTH PARTIES SO WHEN YOU SEE THAT, YOU WILL SEE SOME COMPROMISE THAT THERE WILL BE DATA CENTERS BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO PAY THEIR OWN WAY.

>> JON HUSTED'S BILL ON ALL LARGE ELECTRICITY USERS.

MANUFACTURING PLANTS AND MIKE THAT HER BUSINESS?

NUCLEAR POWER --YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO POWER THAT PLANT WITH A SMALL DAY >> I DON'T THINK I SAW NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS -- >> THIS IS ALL COMPLICATED.

>> THE MANUFACTURING ASSOCIATION ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THESE PROPOSALS BECAUSE OHIO HAS A PROPOSAL IN PLACE FOR CUSTOMERS WHO ARE AP CUSTOMERS.

DATA CENTERS ARE IN THEIR OWN SECTION BUT THERE'S A CONCERN THAT IN THE INTERIM , THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE SAYING WE HAVE ALL THIS LOAD AND DATA CENTERS ARE NOT.

THERE'S A FIGHT GOING ON THERE BETWEEN UTILITIES AND DATA CENTERS.

>> A GAFFE IS WHEN SOMEBODY TELLS THE TRUTH.

TODAY SETH MOULTON SAID OUR PARTY STANDS FOR NOTHING EXCEPT FOR OPPOSITION TO DONALD TRUMP.

THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS DEMOCRATS FACE.

>> I WAS THINKING A LOT ABOUT DONALD TRUMP AND TRANSGENDER PEOPLE UNFORTUNATELY AND I CANNOT HELP BUT STICK TO THE THEORY THAT HE THINKS ANY WORD THAT BEGINS WITH TRANS IS TALKING ABOUT TRANSGENDER PEOPLE AND THAT IS WHAT IS LEADING TO THE STATEMENTS.

>> THE STATE FAIR IS ALMOST HERE AND I'M EXCITED IN A NONPARTISAN WAY.

I CAN EAT A CHEESE SANDWICH AND SCHMITZ SAUSAGE AND LEMONADE .

THERE TO HAVE TO ROLL ME OUT OF THERE.

AND CREAM PUFFS.

>> THIS IS HIS FINAL STATE FAIR AS GOVERNOR.

THE FAIR LASTS 12 DAYS.

I PREDICT HE WILL BE THERE AT AND I MEANT TO GO OUT THERE AND SEE THE BUTTER SCULPTURE.

HE HAS BEEN A BIG SUPPORTER OF THE FAIR AND A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION HAS HAPPENED UNDER HIS WATCH.

THE GOVERNOR AND >>> THAT'S COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD BUTTER.FOR THIS WEEK A REMINDERÖ TO CHECK OUT THE WOSU NEWS YOUTUBE PAGE.. THERE YOU CAN SEE AND SHARE EVERY EPISODE OF THIS PROGRAM.

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