>>> OHIO, A SWING STATE NO MORE.

WELCOME TO COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD.

WHILE THE NATION AND CONGRESS ARE DIVIDED RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE, OHIO CLEARLY IS ON THE RED SIDE OF THE COLOR SPECTRUM.

THE REPUBLICAN WAVE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO SWEEP ACROSS THE COUNTRY NEVER MATERIALIZED, BUT IT DID HIT OHIO.

REPUBLICANS SWEPT EVERY RACE, EXPANDED THEIR HUGE MAJORITIES IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND CAPTURED THE BIGGEST PRIZE.

THE RACE FOR AN OPEN U.S. SENATE SEAT.

JD VANCE HAD A CLEAR VICTORY OVER DEMOCRAT TIM RYAN WINNING BY MORE THAN A QUARTER MILLION VOTES AND SIX PERCENTAGE POINTS.

>> BUT NOW THE PEOPLE OF OHIO HAVE GIVEN US A JOB AN WHAT WE NEED TO DO OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, OVER THE NEXT SIX YEARS FOR THE FULL LENGTH OF THIS SENATE TERM, WHOEVER'S IN THE MAJORITY, WHATEVER THE PRESIDENT LOOKS LIKE, WE HAVE A VERY SIMPLE JOB TO DO.

IT'S TO GO TO WORK EVERY SINGLE DAY AND FIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE OF OHIO.

FIGHT FOR OUR WORKERS.

>> WHEN I CALLED JD, WHEN I CALLED JD TO CONCEDE, I TOLD HIM, I SAID YOU HAVE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF THE WORKING CLASS PEOPLE.

IN THIS COUNTRY.

BECAUSE THE WORKING CLASS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN FORGOTTEN.

>> RYAN TRIED REALLY HARD TO GET THOSE WORKING CLASS VOTERS TO CHOOSE HIM OVER VANCE.

HE MADE SOME INROADS, BUT NOT ENOUGH.

>> YEAH, NOT ENOUGH.

I MEAN I GUESS IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL PICTURE OF WHERE THE VOTERS AROUND OHIO FELL, HE DID GET A LOT OF THE VOTES OR HE WAS ABLE TO CLOSE THE GAP BETWEEN HIM AND HIS REPUBLICAN OPPONENT COMPARED TO THE OTHER STATEWIDE RACES, SO IT SEEMED LIKE WHATEVER STRATEGY HE WAS RUNNING WAS MORE EFFECTIVE THAN THE OTHER DEMOCRATS AND HE ALSO DIDN'T WIN THOSE KEY COUNTIES THAT SEEMED TO BE PIVOTAL IN GETTING HIM ACROSS THE FINISH LINE AND CLOSE THAT GAP WITH JD.

>> DID HE OVEREMPHASIZE THE WHITE WORKING CLASS VOTE TO THE DETRIMENT OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE CITIES?

PEOPLE OF COLOR?

>> I DON'T THINK TIM RYAN DID THAT.

I THINK WHAT THE RYAN CAMPAIGN STRATEGY WAS TO REACH PEOPLE WHO HAD SAID OVER THE LAST DECADE, DEMOCRATS FORGOT US.

THEY HADN'T BEEN HERE TO VISIT US.

THEY HAVEN'T TALKED TO US AND WHAT THE RYAN CAMPAIGN STRATEGY WAS TO NARROW THAT GAP.

WAS TO START TALKING TO THOSE PEOPLE, BUT AS WE KNOW, OHIO IS A BOTH AND STATE.

YOU HAVE TO TALK TO BOTH IN SUBURBAN OHIO, RURAL OHIO AND URBAN OHIO.

I SAW TIM RYAN DO THAT, TOO.

>> WAS THIS A VOTE FOR VANCE OR WAS THIS A VOTE AGAINST TIM RYAN AND JOE BIDEN?

>> WELL, I WOULD ARGUE IT WAS THE RED TIDE WAS A PART OF IT AND VANCE HAD A SPECIAL PROBLEM BEING A FIRST TIME CANDIDATE.

PARTICULARLY STATEWIDE.

BUT I THINK THE KEY THING, AND RYAN TRIED SOMETHING CREATIVE, BUT THIS YEAR TRYING TO BE ON BOTH SIDES, BEING TRUMP LIGHT AND ALSO TAKING CARE OF AND FIRING UP YOUR DEMOCRAT BASE INCLUDING THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY WAS A CHALLENGE AND SAM GRESHAM ON THIS SHOW IN THE EARLY SUMMER POINTED OUT THAT HE HAD KIND OF FORGOTTEN THE BLACK COMMUNITY.

IT'S HARD TO DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.

>> ANDY, DO YOU THINK THE DEMOCRATS WERE LOOKING AT THIS?

TIM RYAN RAN A GOOD CAMPAIGN UNTIL THE END.

THIS IS THE WAY DEMOCRATS CAN WIN.

WELL, THEY DIDN'T WIN.

>> IT WAS A BLUEPRINT FOR TIM RYAN.

I DON'T THINK EVERY DEMOCRAT CAN DO THAT.

HE HAS A CERTAIN RECORD THAT ENABLED HIM TO DO THAT.

HE IS A MODERATE DEMOCRAT.

I KNOW YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD, BUT COMPARED TO A LOT OF DEMOCRATS, I SEE HIM IN THE MODERATE CATEGORY.

PEOPLE ARE CALLING YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNOR A MODERATE REPUBLICAN NOW.

SO IT'S ALL KIND OF WISHY WASHY IN A WAY.

I THINK HE RAN THE BEST CAMPAIGN HE COULD FOR HIM.

I THINK WHERE HE MIGHT HAVE LOST AND IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO FIND OUT IS AMONG INDEPENDENTS WHO WANTED SOMEONE MORE LIBERAL AND SOMEONE MORE PRO ABORTION RIGHTS FOR INSTANCE AND ALONG THOSE LINES.

>> HE'S ALSO FACING AN UPHILL BATTLE AFTER THE MIDTERMS AND JOE BIDEN WINNING.

SOMETHING THAT WAS FASCINATING WAS THAT HE THANKED GOVERNOR DEWINE SEVERAL TIMES AND HE CLEARLY KNEW HE WON THIS RACE PARTLY BECAUSE OF THE COAT TAILS OF DEWINE.

NOT BECAUSE OF DONALD TRUMP.

BUT BECAUSE OF HOW POPULAR DEWINE IS IN THIS STATE.

>> ALSO, JD VANCE RECEIVED A LOT OF INVESTMENT FROM SENATOR McCONNELL.

I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY THE NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY SENT $0 FOR THE RACE ON BEHALF OF TIM RYAN.

THEY WERE NOT HERE.

THEY WERE NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.

SO IT WAS ALL ON TIM WHEREAS JD VANCE, A POOR FUND RAISING CANDIDATE, HE WAS NOT IN ALL 88 COUNTIES AROUND THE STATE, BUT HE RECEIVED A LARGE BUYOUT FROM THE NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND BILLIONAIRES OF SILICON VALLEY.

>> HE RAISED NEARLY $50 MILLION ALMOST TWICE WHAT SHERROD BROWN RAISED.

HE HAD THE MONEY.

MOST OF IT CAME FROM NATIONAL SOURCES, A LOT OF THE SMALL CONTRIBUTORS.

RYAN HAD THE MONEY, BUT IT WASN'T THE RIGHT TIMING FOR HIM.

>> A LOT OF TICKETS FLOATING.

VANCE HAD 380,000 FEWER VOTES THAN DEWINE.

RYAN HAD ABOUT 390,000 VOTES.

ROUGHLY 400,000 IN OHIO VOTED FOR TWO DIFFERENT PARTIES WHEN IT CAME TO GOVERNOR AND U.S. SENATE.

SO TIM RYAN, PART OF THAT WORKED.

>> YEAH.

I THINK HE RAN THE BEST CAMPAIGN HE COULD AND IT'S FOR THE MONEY, YEAH, HE DID RAISE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT I AGREE WITH DESIREE.

THE OUTSIDE MONEY FROM THE NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC GROUPS DID NOT COME IN.

THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN OF HIS OWN DOING.

HE DID NOT ENDEAR HIMSELF TO THE DEMOCRATS.

PART OF HIS STRATEGY WAS TO DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM THEM SAYING I'M NOT GOING TO BE NANCY PELOSI'S LAP DOG.

WELL THAT'S FINE.

BUT THE LAP DOG GETS THE TREATS.

>> BUT CHUCK SCHUMER, SINCE HE'S NOT HERE, HE LOOKED AT OHIO AND REALIZED THIS WOULD BE A TOUGH STATE TO LOOK IN AS BIG AND DIVERSE AS THIS AND EXPENSIVE.

I'M GOING TO DEFEND CHUCK SCHUMER AND HIS DECISION.

HE WAS SMART.

>> THAT LEADS US TO TWO YEARS FROM NOW WHEN SHERROD BROWN IS ON THE BALLOT.

DESIREE, HOW WORRIED IS HE?

>> I DON'T THINK HE'S WORRIED AT ALL.

WE ARE A BIG, DIVERSE STATE.

SO I AGREE WITH YOU.

WE ARE A BIG, DIVERSE STATE AND I DON'T KNOW IF CHUCK SCHUMER WOULD AVOID SHERROD BROWN AND NOT POUR MONEY INTO OHIO.

I THINK SHERROD BROWN CERTAINLY HAS WORK TO DO.

I THINK ALL DEMOCRATS ARE THINKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED, BUT SHERROD BROWN IS NOT WORRIED HE'S GOING TO WIN.

>> THE GOVERNORS RACE.

WHILE HISTORIC, WAS NOT MUCH OF A RACE AT ALL.

MIKE DEWINE COMBINED THE FACE OF GOOD WILL DURING THE EARLY DAY OF THE COVID PANDEMIC WITH INTEL AND HONDA FACTORIES TO GLIDE TO VICTORY.

DEWINE DEFEATED WHALEY BY MORE THAN 1 MILLION VOTES AND 26 PERCENTAGE POINTS.

>> MY FRIENDS, THIS IS OUR TIME.

IT'S OHIO'S TIME.

IT'S OHIO'S TIME IN HISTORY.

THINGS ARE COMING OUR WAY.

THIS IS A GREAT MANUFACTURING STATE.

AND AGAIN, THE THING THOUGH AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ALL THE ASSETS THAT WE HAVE, BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THE PEOPLE.

>> THERE'S A LOT THAT'S PRETTY BROKEN ABOUT OHIO AND OUR WHOLE COUNTRY.

AND THERE'S A LOT THAT'S NOT.

I STAND BEFORE ALL OF YOU AND EVERY LITTLE GIRL WATCHING THIS AT HOME AS THE FIRST WOMAN EVER NOMINATED FOR GOVERNOR IN THE STATE OF OHIO.

>> COULD ANY DEMOCRATIC HAVE BEATEN DEWINE?

>> I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT WOULD BE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THEIR BENCH IS SO THIN AS IT IS, BUT HE'S ALSO WHAT, THE MOST SENIOR REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE.

HE'S BEEN ON EVERY BALLOT THAT THERE IS, PRACTICALLY.

STARTING BE STATE LEGISLATURE OR NO, HE WAS COUNTY PROSECUTOR.

HE'S WORKED HIS WAY UP THE FOOD CHAIN THE OLD FASHIONED WAY.

NO, PROBABLY NOT.

COULD SOME HAVE DONE BETTER THAN OTHERS?

POSSIBLY, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHO THAT WOULD BE.

>> THE STATE PARTY.

THEY DIDN'T DO A LOT IN THIS RACE IT SEEMED LIKE FOR NAN WHALEY.

COULD THE STATE PARTY HAVE DONE MORE?

>> I DISAGREE.

I THINK THE STATE PARTY DID A LOT.

I SAW NAN CAMPAIGNING WITH SENATOR BROWN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS AND THEY WERE VERY ACTIVE WITH WHAT WE HAVE.

AGAIN, INDEFINITE MATTERS AND THE NATIONAL DEMOCRATS HAVE NOT REINVESTED IN OHIO AND ALSO THE STATE PARTY, LOOK, WE PICKED UP A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSIONAL SEAT SO WE HAD A GOOD NIGHT FOR CONGRESSIONAL RACES.

WE STILL HAVE A WAYS TO GO FOR GERRYMANDERING, BUT I THINK THE STATE PARTY DID A LOT AND HONESTLY, WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO TURN OUR BELOVED STATE BACK BLUE.

>> TERRY, THE MANDATE FOR GOVERNOR DEWINE.

A BIG WIN IN HIS SECOND TERM.

DOES HE STAND UP TO THE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE HE DISAGREED WITH IN HIS FIRST TERM AND SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO IT MY WAY THIS TIME?

>> IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT TOPIC THAN A HALF HOUR TO TALK ABOUT.

I THINK TO ME, THE MOST SHOCKING THING WAS MONTGOMERY COUNTY, DAYTON, HER HOME COUNTY.

SHE GOT BEAT 60-40 THERE, WHICH TELLS YOU SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT.

>> THAT HELPS DEWINE'S MANDATE WITH THE LEGISLATION.

>> NOT NECESSARILY, BUT AS THE GOVERNOR WOULD TELL YOU THE LAST BUDGET CYCLE, HE GOT ABOUT 98% OF WHAT HE WANTED AND THE GOOD THING FOR THE GOVERNOR, THE LEGISLATURE HAS A LOT OF DIVERSITY.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A NEW HOUSE SPEAKER THERE.

THE PRESIDENT IS VERY SAVVY AND SMART.

THEY'LL WORK IT OUT.

IT WILL TAKE TIME, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE AS BRUTAL AS SOME THING.

>> THE GOVERNOR IS A MASTER OF THIS.

KEEPS DONALD TRUMP AT ARM'S LENGTH.

DOESN'T ANGER HIM.

DOESN'T MAKE HIM TOO HAPPY, BUT TRUMP IS REALLY NOT A FACTOR IN MIKE DEWINE.

ON THE FAR, FAR RIGHT.

>> WHAT'S AMAZING IS HE ALMOST WENT HIS ENTIRE FIRST TERM WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO A TRUMP RALLY UNTIL THE LAST DAY BEFORE ELECTION DAY WHERE HE SHARED THE STAGE WITH TRUMP AND SHOOK HIS HANDS.

RELUCTANTLY.

IT WAS A VERY STRANGE MOMENT.

I THINK ANOTHER THING WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT YET, THE FACT THAT DEWINE REFUSED TO DEBATE WHALEY REALLY ALSO HURT NAN'S CHANCES WHEN IT CAME TO RAISING HER OWN PROFILE AND THAT KEPT HER AT ARM'S LENGTH.

>> AS FOR THE MANDATE ISSUE, NO.

MANY PEOPLE THINK THAT'S WHAT HE HAD BECAUSE OF THAT, BUT A LOT OF INDEPENDENTS AND A LOT OF DEMOCRATS, A LOT OF CROSSOVER VOTERS SUPPORTED DEWINE IN LARGE PART BECAUSE OF HOW HE HANDLED COVID AT THE OUTSET AND ALL THE POWER HE HAD BACK THEN TO DO THAT HAD BEEN TAKEN AWAY BY THE OHIO GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND OHIO GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS EXTENDED ITS SUPER MAJORITY.

SO THERE'S ONLY ONE BODY OR TWO BODIES IN THE STATE THAT HAVE A MANDATE AND THAT'S THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE.

>> WHAT IS FOR NAN WHALEY IN THIS RACE?

DOES HE RUN AGAIN?

SHE MENTIONED SHE MIGHT NOW WORK TO CODIFY ROE VERSUS WADE IN THE OHIO CONSTITUTION.

IS THAT HER NEXT MOVE?

>> WELL, I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO MAYOR WHALEY SINCE I WAS AT THE ELECTION NIGHT PARTY AND I THINK EVERYONE WAS JUST FOCUSED ON WHAT JUST HAPPENED AND TRANSPIRED.

BUT I KNOW MUCH LIKE OTHER FIGHTERS, YOU NEVER GIVE UP ON THE FIGHT AND SHE IS GOING TO BE ON THE FRONT LINES ORGANIZING AND MOBILIZING WOMEN AND PEOPLE ACROSS THE STATE SO THAT WE CAN PASS LEGISLATURE AND BE THE PROGRESSIVE STATE THAT GOVERNOR DEWINE SAYS WE ARE AND CATCH UP TO KENTUCKY.

>> TERRY, ONE OF THE CRITICISMS OF NAN WHALEY WAS HER CAMPAIGN DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A CLEAR MESSAGE.

SHOULD SHE HAVE JUST STUCK WITH I'M THE FIRST WOMAN FROM A MAJOR PARTY RUNNING AND WE NEED TO PROTECT ABORTION RIGHTS IN OHIO?

>> WELL, TO HER CREDIT, SHE DID HAVE A MESSAGE.

IT JUST VARIED FROM DAY-TO-DAY.

SHE STARTED OUT WITH CORRUPTION, THEN IT WAS GUNS, THEN ABORTION.

SHE JUST DIDN'T HAVE A CLEAR, CONCISE MESSAGE AND PART OF IT IS SHE HAD BEEN COOPTED ON A LOT OF THE ISSUES BY HOW WELL THE GOVERNOR WAS DOING AND HOW WELL HE KNOWS THE STATE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE HOW HARD HE WOULD WORK BECAUSE HE'D GO TO FUNCTIONS, THEY'D BE THE LAST PERSON TO LEAVE BECAUSE HE WAS SHAKING THE HANDS.

HE'S A SMART, OVERALL POLITICIAN BUT ALSO GOOD AT RETAIL POLITICS.

>> AND HE'S BEEN IN PUBLIC OFFICE MY ENTIRE LIFE.

>> LIKE SHERROD BROWN.

>> LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR SAID NO ONE HAS MET MORE THAN MIKE DEWINE.

I THINK THAT MIGHT BE TRUE.

>> WHAT IS NEXT FOR OHIO DEMOCRATS?

DESIREE?

>> I THINK WE CONTINUE TO ORGANIZE AND MOBILIZE OUR PEOPLE.

WE'RE CERTAINLY REASSESSING THE DATA AND LOOKING AT WHAT HAPPENED.

WE KNOW WE HAVE TO TURN OUT MORE YOUNG VOTERS AND VOTERS IN URBAN COUNTIES ACROSS THE STATE.

WE HAVE TO HAVE CANDIDATES THAT ENERGIZE PEOPLE BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, 2.4 MILLION OHIOIANS HAVE BEEN PURGED FROM THE VOTER ROLLS.

SO WE HAVE TO REREGISTER PEOPLE AND MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND WHERE THEIR POLLING LOCATIONS ARE.

THERE'S ONLY ONE BALLOT DROP BOX PER COUNTY.

SO WE WANT TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ABOUT THE PROCESS AND GETTING ENGAGED AND PARTICIPATING AND DOING THEIR CIVIC DUTY BY VOTING.

>> I'M GOING TO DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER.

SHERROD IS INCREDIBLY WORRIED BECAUSE HE'S BEEN AROUND SO LONG AND THE TIDE'S MOVING AGAINST HIM.

WHEN HE LAST RAN, HE SPENT 20 MILLION TO 4 MILLION AND ONLY WON BY ABOUT SIX POINTS.

HE'S WORRIED AND THAT'S GOING TO BE HIS FOCUS AND THE PROBLEMS WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, HOW DO YOU REBUILD IT WHEN SHERROD WANTS IT TO BE ABOUT HIM.

>> NEXT TOPIC.

DEMOCRATS HAD THE HOPE OF TAKING CONTROL OF THE OHIO SUPREME COURT WHICH COULD HAVE INFLUENCED THE NEVER ENDING FIGHT OVER GERRYMANDERING AND POSSIBLY PROTECT ABORTION RIGHTS, BUT REPUBLICANS CAPTURED ALL THREE SEATS.

SHERRY KENNEDY MOVES FROM JUSTICE TO CHIEF JUSTICE DEFEATING FEDERAL JUSTICE JENNIFER BRUNNER, WHO STAYS ON THE COURT.

THE TWO INCUMBENT REPUBLICANS NAMED PAT FISCHER, TERRY JAMESON AND PAT DEWINE, ALSO AN APPEALS COURT JUDGE.

DESIREE, WITH ABORTION AND GERRYMANDERING VERY MUCH IN THE NEWS, VERY MUCH BEFORE THE COURTS, THE ECONOMY DOESN'T AFFECT THE COURTS THAT MUCH.

DO YOU THINK THE DEMOCRATS COULD HAVE DONE BETTER ON THOSE ISSUES WHEN ELECTING JUDGES?

WHAT HAPPENED HERE?

>> WELL, ONE, THE REPUBLICANS, WHICH IS SMART AND THEY ADDED PARTY ID TO SUPREME COURT CANDIDATES.

WE PICKED UP A LOT OF JUDICIAL SEATS IN THE LOWER COURTS ACROSS THE STATE.

BUT THE SUPREME COURT, WE CERTAINLY DID NOT DO WELL WITH THOSE PARTY IDs AND THAT DOES HURT.

I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT DOESN'T.

BECAUSE I DO WORRY ABOUT THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY AS WE THINK ABOUT WHAT'S COMING BEFORE THIS CONSERVATIVE SUPREME COURT WITH A REPUBLICAN SUPERMAJORITY IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND JUST THE REPUBLICAN DOMINANCE AND TRIFECTA THAT THEY HAVE IN POWER IS WORRISOME AS WE SEE THINGS COME OUT OF THE U.S. SUPREME COURT THAT ARE GOING TO ROLL US BACK.

ROE V. WADE IS DONE.

SO WE HAVE OUR LAST STOPGAP, WHICH IS THE STATE SUPREME COURT.

SO IT IS VERY CONCERNING ABOUT ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE VAST MAJORITY OF OHIOANS DESPITE A CONSERVATIVE ELECTORATE.

>> EACH RACE WAS BASICALLY SEPARATED BY ALMOST EXACT RACES.

54-46 OR WHATEVER IT WAS.

OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE WENT IN THERE.

>> ALSO ARGUE ONE OF THE BIG MISTAKES WAS BRUNNER, WHEN SHE DROVE THE DECISION ABOUT A YEAR AGO ON BAIL BONDS THAT THEY COULDN'T CONSIDER PUBLIC SAFETY.

THAT DECISION IS ON, BUT THAT ISSUE GAVE MORE SUBSTANCE.

JENNIFER BRUNNER CAME INTO THAT RACE WITH AN ADVANTAGE BECAUSE SHE HAD BEEN ON THE STATEWIDE BALLOT A NUMBER OF TIMES AND HAD BETTER NAME ID THAN KENNEDY DID.

SO I THINK THE DEMOCRATS MADE A BIG MISTAKE ON THAT DECISION ON BAIL BOND.

>> I WOULD VENTURE TO GUESS MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE VOTING FOR ON ISSUE ONE AND TWO.

ISSUE TWO, THE NUANCES, WE COULD SPEND AN ENTIRE HALF HOUR AT LEAST ON THAT ALONE AND THAT WAS HOLDING UP THE LINE AS THE VOTING PLACES ON TUESDAY.

WAS PEOPLE TRYING TO WADE THROUGH THOSE ISSUES.

>> WHAT HAPPENS IN THE COURT NOW, ANDY?

>> I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE A CHALLENGE TO THE STATE'S ABORTION BAN.

WE'RE GOING TO SEE REDISTRICT K COME UP AGAIN.

THERE ARE GOING TO BE BIG ISSUES AND WITHOUT THAT BIG VOTE OF MAUREEN O'CONNOR, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE THOSE DECISIONS GO IN FAVOR OF WHAT THE REPUBLICANS WANT.

>> THERE'S NO CHANCE THAT ANY REPUBLICAN JUSTICE ON THAT COURT WOULD SWING BACK AND FORTH A BIT.

>> I THINK I WONDER SOMETIMES IF YOU TAKE ON THE ROLE OF CHIEF JUSTICE, YOU MAYBE RECONSIDER WHAT POSITION YOU HAVE ON THINGS AND WHAT ROLE YOU PLAY, BUT CHIEF JUSTICE KENNEDY HAS BEEN CLEAR ON WHAT SHE BELIEVES ON THESE ISSUES LIKE REDISTRICTING.

>> OUR LAST TOPIC, DEMOCRATS DID HAVE A FEW WINS.

THEY CAME ON THE EDGES, LITERALLY.

THE EDGES OR THE CORNERS OF OHIO IN FAR SOUTHWEST OHIO, GREG LANDSMAN UPSET STEVE CHABOT.

IN FAR NORTHWEST OHIO, CONGRESSWOMAN KAPTUR WON HER REPUBLICAN LEANING DISTRICT NOW BY BEATING JR MAGEWSKI.

>> REPUBLICANS LOST TWO SEATS IN CONGRESS THANKS TO OHIO.

WE LOST TO POPULATION CHANGES AND THEY LOST THE SEAT.

>> YES.

AND IT KIND OF BLOWS UP THE MYTH THAT THE REPUBLICANS HAVE THE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS RIGGED TO YIELD A 13-2.

>> BUT CONSIDERING THE WAY THE STATE WENT, THAT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD.

I'D ALSO GIVE CREDIT TO DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE IN BOTH THE TOLEDO-BASED AND AKRON-BASED DISTRICT, HE KIND OF PICKED AND PUSHED CANDIDATES WHO REALLY DIDN'T HAVE THE MUSTER AND ULTIMATE ABILITY TO WIN.

PART OF THAT GOES ON TRUMP WITH THOSE TWO BAD CANDIDATES AND CHABOT HAD BEEN THERE A LONG TIME IN CINCINNATI AND IT WAS TIME FOR CHANGE.

AGAIN, THE WHOLE REDISTRICTING MYTH IS SOMEWHAT BLOWN UP BECAUSE THE RESULT INSTEAD OF BEING 13-2 WAS 10-5.

>> IT'S NOT A MYTH.

THE STATE VOTES 54% REPUBLICAN.

46% DEMOCRATIC.

THEY WERE DRAWING THE MAPS THE WAY THE CONSTITUTION CALLS FOR, IT WOULD BE A SPLIT OF EIGHT REPUBLICAN SEATS, SEVEN DEMOCRATIC SEATS AND THE DEMOCRATS JUST SO HAPPENED TO WIN THOSE TWO TOSS UP DISTRICTS, BUT REPUBLICANS STILL CONTROL 66% OF THE CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION THIS OHIO.

>> DEBATE GERRYMANDERING, WHICH WE HAD DONE FOREVER, BUT THESE DISTRICTS WERE COMPETITIVE AND THAT'S GOOD.

>> THERE WERE A LOT OF OTHERS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMPETITIVE MAPS, SUPPOSEDLY THE STATE SENATE SHOULD HAVE BEEN 18-15, BUT ENDED UP DOWN TO ONLY SEVEN MEMBERS SO THERE WERE A NUMBER OF DISTRICTS THAT WERE COMPETITIVE OR LEANED DEMOCRAT BUT THE REPUBLICANS STILL WIN.

SO CANDIDATES AND CAMPAIGNS DO MATTER.

>> THEY WERE ONLY COMPETITIVE FOR THE DEMOCRATIC DISTRICTS.

>> GERRYMANDERING ASIDE FOR A MOMENT.

DESIREE, HOW DO DEMOCRATS TAKE THESE WINS AND BUILD ON THEM?

>> THE MAPS ARE STILL GERRYMANDERED.

I HAVE TO SAY THAT.

BUT I THINK THE CAMPAIGNS THAT EMILIA SYKES, KAPTUR HELD AND I THINK VOTERS IN THESE DISTRICTS UNDERSTOOD THE IMPORTANCE OF THE POWER AT THE U.S. CONGRESSIONAL LEVEL AND HOLDING THE HOUSE IN LIGHT OF EXTREMISM.

I THINK LOOKING A T THE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT IS THAT IT WAS A REFERENDUM ON EXTREMISM AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT THEIR LAWMAKERS TO WORK TOGETHER.

THAT'S THE TAKEAWAY.

SO HOPEFULLY, WE'LL CONTINUE TO HOLD THESE DISTRICTS BUT WE KNOW HOW REPUBLICANS WORK HERE IN THIS STATE SO THEY'LL LIKELY LOOK AT THE MAP AND CUT IT APART AGAIN.

>> IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN?

ARE THEY GOING TO LOOK AT THE MAPS AND SAY HAVING A REPUBLICAN PLUS THREE WHERE MARCIE KAPTUR, THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

NEED TO GO REPUBLICAN PLUS TEN.

>> DEPENDS ON THE DISTRICT BECAUSE UP THERE, YOU CAN'T GO INTO LIKE ERIE AND COUNT THE WALL EYE AS A VOTE.

YOU COME DOWN SOUTH AND YOU HAD ADD MORE REPUBLICANS.

>> I THINK THAT'S THEIR GOAL.

>> IT MIGHT NOR MIGHT NOT HAPPEN BECAUSE YOU NEED TO KEEP TOLEDO AND A LOT OF LUCAS COUNTY WHOLE.

GERRYMANDERING IS A WHOLE OTHER TOPIC AND IT'S NOT AS EASY TO MOVE THE CHESS PIECES AROUND OHIO.

>> THE ECONOMY WAS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF ISSUES THAT ARE A CLOSE SECOND.

I THINK NATIONAL RESULTS SHOW THAT.

ABORTION BEING ONE, THREATS TO DEMOCRACY.

START WITH ABORTION AND HOW BIG A ROLE DO YOU THINK THE DODDS DECISION PLAYED HERE IN OHIO?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK CLOSER AT THE NUMBERS.

I'M INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THE VOTING TURNOUT WAS IN THE SUBURBS IN PARTICULAR.

THAT'S WHERE YOU'D PROBABLY SEE THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE.

PROBABLY WHY -- HIS POSITION DOWN THERE AND LIKEWISE, I THINK IT'S ANOTHER FACTOR FOR THE CONGRESSWOMAN, MARCIE KAPTUR, WHO WAS ALSO BY THE WAY THE LONGEST SERVING FEMALE OF CONGRESS IN HISTORY.

AND SHE'S GOT SOME HISTORY BEHIND HER.

I DON'T KNOW.

ABORTION, I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE FOR THAT TO WIND OUT OR UNWIND THAT ONE.

I DON'T THINK THAT THE YOUTH VOTE CAME OUT AGAIN.

I THINK THAT IF IT HAD, THERE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE, A LARGER MIDTERM TURNOUT AND I THINK THAT SO FOR SOME REASON, THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP.

>> WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?

>> WE ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT OUT.

I COULD HONESTLY SAY SAME DAY VOTER REGISTRATION, WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN OHIO.

WE'RE THE ONLY STATE IN THE MIDWEST THAT DOESN'T HAVE ONE OF THE TWO.

THE OTHER STATES, TOO.

WISCONSIN SAW YOUTH VOTER TURNOUT 360% HIGHER AND WE DID NOT SEE THAT HERE IN OHIO.

I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THE CONGRESSIONAL RACES, NANCY PELOSI AND THE D TRIPLE C, THEY INVESTED HEAVILY IN OHIO.

AND OHIO ONE AND THAT INVESTMENT PAID OFF.

WAS IT ON ABORTION?

WE HAVE TO SEE, BUT I'M CURIOUS TO SEE THAT.

>> I AGREE WITH ANN THAT THE YOUNG VOTE WAS NOT AS BIG AND SIGNIFICANT LIKE WHEN OBAMA WAS RUNNING AND YOU CAN SEE IN SOME SUBURBAN BETTER EDUCATED AREAS WHERE THE ABORTION ISSUES WAS MAKING A FACTOR, BUT THEN YOU COULD LOOK AT A LOT OF THEIR COUNTIES BECAUSE ON ELECTION NIGHT WHERE VANCE WAS ROLLING UP 62 TO 86% AND THE GOVERNOR A HAD FIVE COUNTIES.

ABORTION WAS A FACTOR IN SOME AREAS, BUT YOU'VE REALLY GOT TO DIG IN TO SEE WHERE IT'S AT.

>> I THINK THE ABORTION ISSUE IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT ROLLS OUT OVER TIME.

THEY DON'T GET IT YET.

>> DOES THE QUESTION GET ON THE BALLOT SOON?

WE SAW IT IN KENTUCKY.

PURE QUESTION, BUT A QUESTION SUPPORTING ABORTION RIGHTS AND THE ABORTION RIGHTS SIDE WON.

MONTANA, SAME IN CALIFORNIA, VERMONT.

NO SURPRISE THERE.

BUT ALSO MICHIGAN AS WELL.

>> I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S SO INTERESTING.

WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT WHAT ONE ISSUE BRINGS PEOPLE OUT TO VOTE FOR A SPECIFIC CANDIDATE AND I THINK WE'RE FINDING OUT THAT'S NOT TRULY THE CASE, BUT IF YOU PUT THE ISSUE ON THE BALLOT, I THINK WE MIGHT SEE A DIFFERENT OUTCOME SO ALTHOUGH REPUBLICANS SWEPT OHIO THIS YEAR, IF YOU PUT THE ISSUE ON THE BALLOT, WE MIGHT SEE A DIFFERENT RESULT.

>> BUT THE QUESTION IS WHO'S GOING TO DRAFT THAT QUESTION AND WHAT'S IT GOING TO SAY BECAUSE THE DETAILS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE POLLING, THERE'S A LOT OF SHADES OF GRAY THERE OF WHAT VOTERS WANT OR DON'T WANT ON THE ABORTION ISSUE.

>> LET'S GET TO OUR FINAL PARTING SHOTS.

DESIREE TIMS, YOU'RE FIRST.

>> WE SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR REPUBLICANS TO MAKE IT VERY HARD TO GET ABORTION ON THE BALLOT IN THIS UPCOMING LAME DUCK SESSION OR THE NEXT SESSION.

THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO BLOCK PROGRESS ANY WAY THEY CAN.

>> WE'VE GOT A LAME DUCK LEGISLATIVE SESSION COMING UP IN NOVEMBER.

DECEMBER, MY PREDICTION IS IT WON'T BE AS WILD AND CRAZY AS WHAT SOME PREDICTED.

THERE WILL BE A FEW THINGS COME OUT OF THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO UPSET PEOPLE THAT MUCH.

>> OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY CHAIR IS GOING TO STEP DOWN AT THE END OF THE YEAR I GUESS AND HE SAYS THAT THE ATTEMPTED COUP LAST SEPTEMBER WASN'T YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE LESSER REASONS, ONE OF THE LESSER CHALLENGES AND I SUPPOSE TIME WILL TELL.

>> ANDY.

>> THE STATE LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT MAPS WERE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

PARTLY BECAUSE OF HOW MANY DISTRICT DISTRICTS WERE CONSIDERED TOP UP DISTRICTS.

THIS ELECTION, 12 OF THOSE 16 DEMOCRATIC TOSS UP DISTRICTS WENT TO REPUBLICANS.

THEY NOW HAVE A 68-SEAT SUPER MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE.

>> POLLSTERS, THEY'RE KIND OF RIGHT IN OHIO THIS TIME.

GOT THE SENATE RACE PRETTY CLOSE AND HAD DEWINE WINNING IN A BLOWOUT, SO CONGRATULATIONS TO THE POLLSTERS FOR GETTING OHIO RELATIVELY RIGHT THIS YEAR.

IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE WAY THESE ELECTIONS ARE GOING, MAYBE THERE'S A DIFFERENT WAY.

THAT WOULD BE THE DISCUSSION OF THE NEXT FORM OF OUR DIALOGUE SERIES WE DO IN PARTNERSHIP WITH GLENN COLLEGE OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS.

WE WILL RETHINK ELECTIONS.

WE'LL DISCUSS ALTERNATE WAYS TO PICK OUR LEADERS.

THINGS LIKE RANK CHOICE VOTING, MAYBE REFORMING THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.

IT'S TUESDAY NIGHT AT 6:00 AT W OSU'S HEADQUARTERS ON OSU'S CAMPUS.

WE URGE YOU TO JOIN US.

GENE WILL BE THERE.

ALSO CATHERINE AND JIM MILLER WILL BE THERE AS WELL.

CHECK OUT OUR WEBSITE FOR INFORMATION ON THAT AND CHECK OUT WOSU.ORG TO SEE EACH EPISODE ON DEMAND ON YOUR TIME.

I'M MIKE THOMPSON, HAVE A GOOD WEEK.