>> WELCOME TO COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD , MORE THAN TWO WEEKS SINCE PRESIDENT THE BIDEN DISMAL DEBATE PERFORMANCE RAISED QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS AGE AND COMPETENCY, HE CONTINUES TO SAY HE CAN AND WILL DEFEAT DONALD TRUMP , OTHERS NOT SO SURE, INTENTIONALLY SHIFTED TO TOP DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS TO SEE WHERE THEY STAND.

JOYCE BEATTY OF SUBURBAN COLUMBUS SAYS SHE IS 100% WITH BIDEN.

>> DEMOCRATS ARE IN POST DEBATE LIMBO.

>> WELCOME TO "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD."

IT HAS BEEN MORE THAN TWO WEEKS SINCE PRESIDENT BIDEN'S DISMAL DEBATE PERFORMANCE RAISED QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS AGE AND COMPETENCY.

HE CONTINUES TO SAY HE CAN AND WILL DEFEAT DONALD TRUMP, OTHERS ARE NOT SO SURE.

ATTENTION HAS SHIFTED TO TOP DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS TO SEE WHERE THEY STAND.

JOYCE BEATTY OF SUBURBAN COLUMBUS SAYS SHE IS 100% WITH JOE BIDEN.

>> WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT WE CRISSCROSSED THE UNITED STATES, MAKING SURE THAT WE SAY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, LET'S NOT JUDGE OUR PRESIDENT ON A 90 LOOK AT 3.5 YEARS , YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT HIS LIFETIME OF COMMITMENT AND WHAT IS AT STAKE AND WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE.

SOMEONE WHO IS ABOUT RETRIBUTION ?

SOMEONE WHO IS ABOUT REVENGE ?

SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO BE A DICTATOR?

>> BROWN SAYS THAT HE IS LISTENING TO THE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS OF OHIOANS ON THE ISSUE.

IF DEMOCRATS STICK WITH JOE BIDEN , IT IS RISKY, HE MAY WIN.

IS IT WORTH THE RISK ?

>> OF COURSE THE QUESTION CAME TO BE FIRST .

PRESIDENT BIDEN IS OUR PRESIDENT AND SHAME ON OUR PARTY FOR NOT BEING LOYAL TO HIM RIGHT NOW WHEN HE IS IN NEED.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A 90 MINUTE PERFORMS HE HAD AT THE DEBATE WHEN, ON THE OTHER HAND, AS CONGRESSWOMAN JOYCE BEATTY SAYS , SOMEONE WHO HAS CONTINUOUSLY LIED TO THE WORK OF PUBLIC, SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO BE A DICTATOR, SOMEONE THAT IS A CONVICTED FELON , AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT JOE BIDEN AND WHETHER HE SHOULD BE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OR NOT .

>> THAT IS NOT JUST A QUESTION, HIS RECORD , IF YOU WANT TO BEAT DONALD TRUMP, IS AN 81-YEAR-OLD JOE BIDEN THE BEST PERSON TO TAKE THE FIGHT TO DONALD TRUMP ?

I KNOW IT IS LATE .

>> WE KNEW THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE CLOSE TO 81 FOUR YEARS AGO.

NEITHER ONE OF THESE GUYS ARE SPRING CHICKENS.

BUT WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE RECORD .

WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE RECORD OF OUR PRESIDENT, WE HAVE TO GO TO THE RECORD OF THE DEMOCRATS THAT ARE IN CONGRESS .

AND IN THE SENATE .

MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NAYSAYERS OF THE PRESENT RIGHT NOW IN OUR PARTY ARE PROBABLY PEOPLE IN BOTTLES THEMSELVES.

>> BOB , A CURVEBALL FOR DEMOCRATS BUT ALSO FOR CHANCES ARE JOE BIDEN STAYS , AT LEAST AS OF RIGHT NOW, FRIDAY AFTERNOON , YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THE NOMINEE WILL BE.

>> IF IT IS THE VICE PRESIDENT, SHE IS PART OF THAT ADMINISTRATION.

THE POLICIES THEY HAVE DONE , SHE HAS ENDORSED.

SHE IS TRYING TO SELL .

SHE WAS IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE QUESTION FOR HER WOULD BE, WHAT DID YOU KNOW AND WHEN DID YOU KNOW IT?

SHE IS PART OF THIS COVER-UP THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR I THINK THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

IT HAS BEEN THE PRESIDENT, VICE PRESIDENT , PRESIDENT'S FAMILY , CONGRESSIONAL DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN IN A COVER-UP.

THEY HAVE SEEN HOW HE IS.

IF IT WAS NOT FOR THAT DEBATE , WE WOULD NOT BE TALKING ABOUT THAT, OBVIOUSLY.

ALSO , HE IS LOSING.

THAT IS THE OTHER PROBLEM.

>> JAKE, HOW MUCH LONGER CAN QUESTION OF WHETHER JOE BIDEN SHOULD STAY OR GO ?

>> AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION AND SPEAK YOUR MIND AND SAY WHAT YOU THINK.

I THINK SHERROD BROWN IS RUNNING IN A TOUGH STATE AND HE IS SENSITIVE TO THE NOTION HE AND OTHER DEMOCRATS IN RED STATES ARE OUTPERFORMING THE PRESIDENT, THAT IS NOT HELPING HIM A DEPRESSED DEMOCRATIC TURNOUT IS NOT BENEFITING SHERROD BROWN AND HE NEEDS ANYTHING HE CAN GET.

>> JOYCE BEATTY DOES NOT HAVE A REPUBLICAN OPPONENT BUT SHERROD BROWN IS DIFFERENT .

MARCY KAPTUR IS DIFFERENT, STAY TOO CLOSE TO BITING OR PUSHING THEM AWAY LIKE >> BENEFITS TO BROWN OF STAYING , SORT OF DISTANCING HIMSELF EVEN MORE BECAUSE, AS WE SPEAK, TOGETHER AND TRYING TO DRAG SHERROD BROWN DOWN BASED ON THE LACK OF POPULARITY FOR JOE BIDEN.

BEFORE THE DEBATE .

AT THE SAME TIME, IT DOES NOT MAKE YOU LOOK VERY UNIFIED AS A PARTY.

I PERSONALLY THINK , THE SMART THING FOR THEM TO DO IS VERY MUCH DEFENDED THEIR PRESIDENT, HIS RECORD , HIS LEGACY, AND ALSO TO SAY , HE IS 81 YEARS OLD AND IN FOUR YEARS HE WILL BE A LOT OLDER THAN THAT.

ALSO, IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS , A LOT COULD HAVE CHANGED AND IT MAY NOT BE A COVER-UP AS MUCH AS A PERSON AGING.

>> TO YOUR POINT , ON HIS RECORD AND WHAT HE DID, SATISFIED DEMOCRAT CONCERNS , FROM A DEMOCRATIC PERSPECTIVE, HE HAS DONE A LOT AS PRESIDENT.

GOING FORWARD, THE NEXT FOUR YEARS , IS HE THE BEST PERSON TO REPRESENT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, JOE BIDEN MAX >> OUR COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, WE HAVE TO RESPECT THAT, ANY PRESIDENT , I DON'T CARE IF IT IS PRESIDENT TRUMP OR PRESIDENT BIDEN, OR OBAMA , THEY DON'T RUN THE WHITE HOUSE BY THEMSELVES.

THEY HAVE A CABINET.

THEY HAVE ADVISORS THAT HELP THEM WITH DECISIONS.

THE DECISIONS THAT THE PRESIDENT IS MAKING NOW, HAS MADE , WILL MAKE IN THE FUTURE, HE WILL MAKE THAT COLLECTIVELY WITH HIS CABINET AND OTHER ADVISORS.

>> THE POLLS HAVE SHOWN SOME ROSEN --EROSION FOR JOE BIDEN, OVERALL , A FAIRLY SMALL EROSION , NOT A LANDSLIDE , WHAT DOES THE REPUBLICAN PARTY DO HEADING INTO THE CONVENTION?

FULLBORE AGAINST JOE BIDEN AT THE CONVENTION?

>> NUMBER ONE , THE BIG THING WILL BE THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL CHOICE AND THAT WILL BE THE BIG NEWSMAKER.

WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IS , I AM SURE THEY WILL DO IT, NOT SO MUCH GO AFTER JOE BIDEN BUT THE BIDEN POLICIES, BIDENOMICS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLLS ON APPROVAL AS PRESIDENT, HE HAS BAD, 47% DO NOT APPROVE.

PEOPLE ARE NOT TAKING THE LAST 3.5 YEARS HAVE BEEN A GREAT AND REPUBLICANS HAVE TO REMIND EVERYBODY OF THAT.

>> THE END OF AN IMPORTANT PHASE OF ANY PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN, THE END OF THE RUNNING MATE SPECULATION PHASE , IT WILL BE OVER SOON AS DONALD TRUMP ANNOUNCES HIS CHOICE TO RUN ALONGSIDE HIM AND POSSIBLY SERVE AS VICE PRESIDENT.

JD VANCE OF OHIO IS IN THE RUNNING WITH MARCO RUBIO OF FLORIDA, AND THE NORTH DAKOTA GOVERNOR AND THE FACIAL HAIR OF JD VANCE MAY HURT HIS CHANCES AS DONALD TRUMP APPARENTLY LIKES MEN TO BE CLEAN-SHAVEN.

DONALD TRUMP SAID THE BEARD MAKES HIM LOOK LIKE A YOUNG ABRAHAM LINCOLN.

BOB, IF WE OUR ANALYZING FACIAL HAIR , WE NEED TO GET THIS OVER WITH.

[ LAUGHTER ] IS JD VANCE THE GUY ?

>> MAYBE OR MAYBE NOT , DONALD TRUMP WILL MAKE THE DECISION, SEEMS LIKE IT IS DOWN TO THOSE THREE BUT HE COULD CHOOSE SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT ONE OF THOSE THREE, LIKE THE GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA, GLENN YOUNGKIN.

I THINK JD WOULD BE GREAT.

I LOVE HAVING THE FIRST MILLENNIAL ON A NATIONAL TICKET .

I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR THE TICKET.

>> TALK TO THE STATE HOUSE, JD VANCE IS STRONG, ONE OF THE FINALISTS .

>> I THINK HE IS STRONG, I THINK HE IS RIGHT UP THERE.

WE SAW SOME HINTS THIS WEEK , DONALD TRUMP JR. HAS BEEN INVITED TO A RALLY IN PENNSYLVANIA ON SATURDAY.

DONALD TRUMP JR. IS THE ONE THAT IS THE ALLY WITH THE DONALD TRUMP WORLD PUSHING FOR JD VANCE.

THAT IS SOMETHING.

THEY INVITED THE MAYOR OF EAST PALESTINE, OHIO.

AT THE SAME TIME , HE IS THE GREENEST , BARELY BEEN IN THE SENATE, WHAT HAS IT BEEN, TWO YEARS , 1.5 YEARS?

THAT MAY BE A STRIKE AGAINST HIM.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT HIS FACIAL HAIR.

>> SOMEBODY CALLED DONALD TRUMP'S POSSIBLY AMERICA'S HITLER.

>> THERE IS A LONG STRING OF REPUBLICANS WHO , IN 2015 OR 2016 SAID I DON'T LIKE DONALD TRUMP AND THEY DIDN'T THINK HE SHOULD BE PRESIDENT I DON'T THINK THAT IS REALLY THE DETERMINING FACTOR BECAUSE SO MANY OF THEM HAVE WOUND UP BACK IN IN HIS GOOD GRACES WHAT MATTERS IS THE HERE AND NOW AND NOT SO MUCH WHAT HE MAY HAVE SAID BACK THEN.

I DON'T THINK JD VANCE AND HIS COMMENTS FROM 2015 WILL BE THE THING THAT KEEPS THEM OUT OF THE OVAL OFFICE.

>> DO DEMOCRATS HAVE A PREFERENCE OF WHO THEY WOULD LIKE TO RUN AGAINST AND WHO THEY FEEL THEY WOULD BE STRONGEST AGAINST?

PEOPLE DON'T VOTE FOR VICE PRESIDENT ANYWAY BUT IT CANNOT HURT A TICKET --CAN HURT A TICKET.

>> I DO NOT KNOW WHAT JD VANCE BRINGS TO A DONALD TRUMP TICKET IN OHIO.

WITH ALL THE POLLING OUT THERE, PROBABLY SAFE TO SAY THAT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IS GOING TO WIN THE STATE , THE QUESTION IS MARGIN.

SENATOR VANCE DID MAKE SOME DISPARAGING COMMENTS ABOUT THE FORMER PRESIDENT.

HE SAID THAT HE IS A NEVER TRUMPER AND OTHER THINGS THAT WERE NOT COMPLEMENTARY TO THE PRESIDENT .

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT GOES INTO THE THINKING WHEN A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IS MAKING A DECISION.

BUT, THOSE WILL COME UP AT THE CONVENTION .

>> WE KNOW WHAT JD VANCE HAS SAID ABOUT DONALD TRUMP.

DEMOCRATS WILL TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

>> MAYBE , BUT THE MERE FACT THAT DONALD TRUMP WOULD CHOOSE HIM AS HIS VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WOULD TELL THE ENTIRE NATION, I AM OKAY WITH THIS GUY NOW.

I DON'T THINK IT WILL PLAY INTO IT.

>> HE DID ENDORSE HIM FOR SENATE AND THAT QUESTION WAS ASKED AND ANSWERED AT THAT POINT.

HE HAS PUT IT BEHIND HIM.

IF DONALD TRUMP ELIMINATED EVERYONE WHO EVER CRITICIZED HIM FROM HIS WORLD , THERE WOULD NOT BE MANY PEOPLE.

>> MARCO RUBIO, THEY WENT AT IT DURING THE DEBATE.

[ LAUGHTER ] IT WAS TERRIBLE ANYWAY, JD VANCE COULD HELP IN MICHIGAN AND PENNSYLVANIA, OHIO MAY NOT BE IN PLACE BUT THOSE TWO STATES CERTAINLY ARE.

RUST BELT MORNING BREAD.

--RUST BELT BORN AND BRED.

>> MICHIGAN IS A DEMOCRATICALLY CONTROLLED STATE AND THAT IS WHY IT IS A TOSSUP.

REDISTRICTING IS SOMETHING WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT IN A FEW MINUTES IT PLAYED A ROLE IN CHANGING THAT STATEMENT FROM A REPUBLICAN STATE TO A DEMOCRAT STATE.

IT COULD BE A FACTOR BUT I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE AS MUCH OF A FACTOR AS PEOPLE MAY THINK.

>> ANY CHANCE IT IS NOT ONE OF THOSE THREE?

>> I WOULD SAY THAT , BACK TO THE FIRST TOPIC, IF , FOR ANY REASON, BIDEN IS NOT THE NOMINEE AND IT IS VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS VICE PRESIDENT TRUMP -- [ LAUGHTER ] I I THINK IF THEY WOULD NEED A MORE DIVERSE CANDIDATE, A WOMAN OR A PERSON OF COLOR, MARCO RUBIO IS CUBAN.

THAT WOULD BE MAYBE LEANING TOWARD HIMS.

>> JAKE, MUCH DOUBT JD VANCE WILL BE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IN 2028?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF JOE BIDEN IS GOING TO RUN INTO 2024 AND YOU ARE ASKING ME ABOUT 2028, I DON'T KNOW.

[ LAUGHTER ] >> SUPPORTERS OF A REDISTRICTING QUESTION HAVE SUBMITTED 731,000 SIGNATURES OF THAN NEEDED AND SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO PROTECT AGAINST INVALID OR DUPLICATE SIGNATURES IF HE GETS ON THE BALLOT, IF APPROVED, THAT DRAWING WOULD BE LEFT WITH 15 MEMBER PANEL MADE UP OF FIVE REPUBLICANS, FIVE DEMOCRATS, FIVE INDEPENDENTS , NONE OF THEM WOULD HAVE DIRECTLY CLOSE TIES TO POLITICS.

HOW CONFIDENT ARE SUPPORTERS OF THIS EFFORT THEY WILL GET ON THE BALLOT?

>> EXTREMELY CONFIDENT .

THEY SUBMITTED WAY MORE THAN THEY NEED.

IT HAS BEEN VERY POPULAR.

BOTH THIS TIME AND THE LAST TIME IT PASSED.

WE HAVE HAD REDISTRICTING REFORM ON CONGRESSIONAL MAPS AND ON STATEHOUSE MAPS SEPARATELY PASSING WITH FLYING COLORS IN OHIO BEFORE.

IF ANYTHING, OHIO VOTERS MAY BE SAYING , THAT DID NOT WORK, MAYBE THIS WILL NOT WORK , BUT THE ALTERNATIVE IS SOMETHING I THINK SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF MIND FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE .

>> THIS CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME, STARTING OVER A YEAR AGO.

>> YES.

HOW LIKELY IT IS TO MAKE THE BALLOT, WE SAW A SHOW OF CONTRAST IN THE MINIMUM WAGE ORGANIZERS WHO TRY TO GET THAT THING ON THE BALLOT.

WHEN THE REDISTRICTING CAMPAIGN CAME IN, THEY HAD FANFARE , THEY HAD EVENTS , THEY HAD PEOPLE AND ENERGY, YOU KNEW WHAT WAS GOING TO BE HAPPENING WITH THE MINIMUM WAGE ORGANIZERS, THEY SEEM TO BE BLINDSIDED BY JULY 4th WHICH IS A HOLIDAY WITH A STATE IN THE NAME.

WE DID NOT KNOW --THEY DID NOT KNOW IF THEY HAD ENOUGH SIGNATURES.

IT SEEMS , I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK TOO SOON , IT SEEMS LIKE THEY WILL HAVE IT AND THEY ARE CONFIDENT.

REDISTRICTING REFORM IS TWO FOR TWO ON THE BALLOT, A BIG RISK , WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING LONG AND THIS , I AM CONFUSED.

>> VERY GOOD BRAND, WHAT IS THE BRAND OF THE OPPONENTS?

>> I WILL GO TO THE WAY BACK MACHINE AND GO BACK TO THE 1980s WHEN DEMOCRATS CONTROLLED EVERYTHING AND REPUBLICANS JOINT WITH THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT , TO PUT IN A REINFORCEMENT REFORM BALLOT ISSUE WHICH , YOU WILL BE SURPRISED , DEMOCRATS FOUGHT IT AND SUCCESSFULLY.

THEY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY AND THE MESSAGE WAS, WHY WOULD YOU TURN OVER SOMETHING AS IMPORTANT AS LINE DRAWING TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT ACCOUNTABLE TO THE ELECTRIC?

--NOT ACCOUNTABLE TO THE ELECTORATE ?

YOU DON'T KNOW THE MOTIVATION AND THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE , OR THEY ARE NOT ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU.

>> RIGHT NOW IT IS THE GOVERNOR, SECRETARY OF STATE >> WHO ALL CAN BE VOTED OUT IF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE HOW THEY ARE DOING THE LINE DRAWING.

NOW THERE IS NO RECOURSE.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, THEY WILL REALLY TRY TO DO THE ENTIRE, WE HAD TO MAKE THIS A 54-45 HOUSE , WE HAVE TO GET 45 DEMOCRAT DISTRICTS .

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT?

THEY ARE CONCENTRATED IN CERTAIN AREAS, YOU HAVE TO CREATE MEANDERING DISTRICTS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

>> HOW DO YOU PERSUADE VOTERS THAT IT IS NOT THAT COMPETENT AND NOT GOING TO BE UNELECTED BUREAUCRATS DRAWING OUR MAPS ?

>> THE REASON WHY THE DISTRICTS ARE SO COMPACT RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE OF GERRYMANDERING .

THAT IS THE REASON WHY YOU HAVE THIS GROUP THAT WENT OUT AND GOT 800,000 SIGNATURES TO TAKE THE POWER OUT OF THOSE POLITICIANS HANDS AND PUT IT BACK INTO THE CITIZENS HANDS.

>> ANY CHANCE , WE HAVE TIME BEFORE NOVEMBER, THE LEGISLATURE COULD PUT AN INITIATIVE ON THE BALLOT, A COMPROMISE AMENDMENT THAT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT POSSIBLY TO GIVE VOTERS A DIFFERENT OPTION.

MAYBE EVEN CONFUSE VOTERS.

>> I DON'T THINK SO, I DON'T THINK THE CALENDAR CALLS FOR THEM TO BE BACK BEFORE THE ELECTION.

BUT THEY CAN , WE SAW A SPECIAL SESSION CALLED FOR OTHER PURPOSES THIS YEAR.

ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY.

I HAVE NOT CAUGHT WIND OF THAT BEING SOMETHING THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT.

>> GOING BACK TO THE WAY BACK MACHINE COME IN THE WAY BACK PEOPLE DID NOT UNDERSTAND REDISTRICTING AND GERRYMANDERING, IT WAS COMPLICATING.

IT SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND NOW WHAT IT IS , AND HOW IT AFFECTS POLITICS AND POLICYMAKING.

>> TO GO BACK TO THE 1980s , IN ALL OF OUR POCKETS WE HAVE MORE COMPUTING POWER THAT WHOEVER WAS HANDLING REDISTRICTING IN THE 1980s.

WITH THAT KIND OF POWER, THIS STATEHOUSE IS ABOUT 2010 , THE FIRST TIME YOU COULD USE THIS SOPHISTICATED MODELING TO REALLY PINPOINT AND OPTIMIZE THESE DISTRICTS.

I LOST THE ORIGINAL QUESTION .

>> COMPUTING POWER HAS CHANGED, WE SEE HOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS.

>> GOING BACK IN THE WAY BACK MACHINE AGAIN, IN THE 1980s, MOST , THREE QUARTERS OF THE GERRYMANDERING WERE DEMOCRATS.

WE DID NOT HAVE THAT MANY REPUBLICANS , IT GOT MORE WHEN REPUBLICANS GOT CONTROL OF MORE LEGISLATURES, WHICH IS ABOUT 2000 TO 2010 , THE MEDIA FOCUSED ON GERRYMANDERING AND BECAME A BIGGER ISSUE.

>> I WOULD SAY THAT IT IS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY THING , WE SEE DEMOCRATS DO IT AND REPUBLICANS , THE DIFFERENCE , IN TERMS OF WHY PEOPLE ARE PAYING ATTENTION THIS HAS BECOME A NATIONALIZED CAMPAIGN WITH THE FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL ERIC HOLDER STARTING WITH BARACK OBAMA , THIS EFFORT THAT THEY WILL TARGET WHICH STATES WHERE IT MATTERS AND THERE IS LEGAL STRATEGIES.

ON BOTH SIDES, IT HAS BEEN SEEN AS AN ISSUE WITHIN ITSELF.

>> I THINK THIS WILL PASS OVERWHELMINGLY.

EXCUSE ME.

BECAUSE , THE SAME PEOPLE THAT CAME OUT AND VOTED FOR THE REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS, BALLOT INITIATIVE THAT WAS ON A YEAR OR SO AGO , THOSE PEOPLE WILL COME OUT FOR THIS REDISTRICTING BALLOT IN NOVEMBER.

>> OUR LAST TOPIC, VOTERS WILL NOT GET THE CHANCE TO INCREASE OHIO'S MINIMUM WAGE IN THIS YEAR'S ELECTION.

SUPPORTERS OF AN EFFORT TO RAISE THE STATE MINIMUM WAGE FROM $15 AN HOUR HAVE COME UP SHORT TO GET THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.

THEY COLLECTED MORE THAN THE 414,000 SIGNATURES NEEDED BUT POSSIBLY NOT ENOUGH TO PROTECT AGAINST INVALID ONES.

NOT BE COLLECTING A MINIMUM NUMBER OF SIGNATURES OF THE OHIO COUNTY.

YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER, WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS CAMPAIGN?

>> MY EXPERIENCE IS WITH THE CAMPAIGN AND -- THERE WERE SOME OPERATIONAL FAILURES , PROBLEM WITH ORGANIZATION , IF YOU EMAILED THE CAMPAIGN , THE MEDIA PERSON, YOU WOULD GET AN IMMEDIATE BOUNCE BACK THAT SAID I AM GETTING A HIGH VOLUME OF INQUIRIES AND RUNNING TWO CAMPAIGNS, ONE IN OHIO AND ONE IN ARIZONA, I WILL DO MY BEST TO RESPOND WITHIN A FEW DAYS, THAT IS GOOD --THAT IS NOT A GOOD COMMUNICATION STRATEGY, NOT REALISTIC IN THIS DAY AND AGE.

THEY DID NOT --THEY WERE BLINDSIDED BY THE FOURTH OF JULY HOLIDAY.

IT DID NOT SEEM LIKE THEY HAD IT TOGETHER.

GOOD REPORTING FROM STATEHOUSE NEWS BUREAU SAYING THAT THEY COULD NOT GET TO THE COUNTIES , THEY DID NOT HAVE A GOOD COUNT OF HOW MANY SIGNATURES THEY HAVE, THE CURRENCY.

YOU NEED $413,000 SIGNATURES TO MAKE THE BALLOT BUT YOU NEED SOME WORK IN THE MARKET OF TWICE THAT BECAUSE A LOT WILL GET TOSSED OUT THE SECOND AN ELECTION OFFICIAL LOOK AT THEM.

>> THEY PAID THE SIGNATURE COLLECTORS BUT THEY DID NOT RELY ON AN OUTSIDE FIRM LIKE THE REDISTRICTING FOLKS DID.

PROBABLY TOO EXPENSIVE , GREAT THAT THEY PAID THEM A MINIMUM WAGE TO COLLECT SIGNATURES BUT A LOT ARE INEXPERIENCED.

>> IN THIS DAY AND AGE, YOU ALMOST HAVE TO HAVE A -- YOUR BALLOT SIGNATURE --YOUR SIGNATURE COLLECTION HAS TO BE PRECISION , YOU ALMOST HAVE TO PLAN IT OUT LIKE YOU ARE BUILDING A BUILDING.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS, AND YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL SIGNATURE GATHERING COMPANY THAT WILL GET THE FOLKS THAT THEY NEED, GET THEM IN THE PLACES THEY NEED TO GET SIGNATURES AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE TAKING THE SIGNATURES.

>> JULIE , THEY HAD TWO ELECTIONS DURING WHICH TO COLLECT SIGNATURES.

THAT IS SHOOTING FISH IN A BARREL.

THEY ARE REGISTERED VOTERS AT THE POLLING PLACES.

>> WE HAVE SEEN SOME CHANGES TO THE LAWS , OHIO AND MANY STATES ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET ON THE BALLOT NOW , WITHOUT PROFESSIONAL HELP AS YOU ARE MENTIONING.

THESE ARE A LOT OF SIGNATURES AND WE HAVE CHANGED IT SO IT HAS TO BE MORE COUNTIES AND THIS WAS DIFFICULT , THIS PARTICULAR CAMPAIGN SAID THEY WERE HAVING TROUBLE WITH CANVASSERS WHO WERE BLACK , BEING IN VERY WHITE COUNTIES.

THE SHERIFF'S SAID WE DID NOT USHER THEM TO THE COUNTY LINE BUT, THEY WERE A LOT OF ISSUES.

>> BOB, YOU OPPOSED THIS MOVE, BUT THIS COULD HAVE BEEN A TURNOUT DRIVER IN NOVEMBER .

>> MAYBE, BUT THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE WILL BE THE TURNOUT DRIVER.

I THINK THEY WEREN'T, YOU HAVE TO DO A SEPARATE CAMPAIGN JUST FOR SIGNATURE GATHERING.

YOU HAVE TO BUDGET A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS I DON'T THINK THEY DID THAT AT ALL.

>> WHAT DOES THIS DO TO THE RACE FOR SHERROD BROWN?

>> IT DOES NOT HURT HIM .

I SAY THAT BECAUSE, YOU HAVE THE REDISTRICTING BALLOT THAT WILL BE ON, AND SHERROD BROWN HAS BEEN ON THE BALLOT FOR A LONG TIME AND PEOPLE KNOW WHO HE IS .

>> 50 YEARS.

[ LAUGHTER ] TIME FOR OUR OFF THE RECORD PARTY SHOTS .

>> COLUMBUS CITY COUNCIL PROBABLY HAS THE BIGGEST VOTE OF THEIR YOUNG CAREERS COMING UP AT THE END OF THE MONTH WHEN THEY WILL VOTE ON THE INITIATIVE THAT WILL REVAMP HOW WE LOOK AT OUR ZONING LAWS.

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>> EARLIER THIS WEEK, THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR PRESIDED OVER THE OPENING OF THE NEW WILSON FOOTBALL FACTORY IN OHIO.

WHAT I DID , THAT IS THE OFFICIAL SUPPLIER OF NFL FOOTBALL'S WHEN I DID NOT KNOW, THEY HAVE ACTUAL TOURS THAT YOU CAN TAKE, IT GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS OF HOW TO MAKE A FOOTBALL.

>> JAKE?

>> WIMBLEDON , TOUR DE FRANCE , THE OLYMPICS, BEST SPORTS MONTH.

>> BASEBALL IS ALSO GOING.

JULIE ?

>> THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION WILL NOT BE THIS COMING WEEK, I WROTE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PLATFORM THIS WEEK AT HOW IT RELATES TO EDUCATION.

THEY ARE CALLING FOR UNIVERSAL SCHOOL CHOICE AND LOOKING TO OHIO AT WHAT WAS DONE HERE IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE I WILL BE WATCHING TO SEE IF THEY HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICITY TO THE PLANTS.

>> WATCH ON WOSU, PBS NEWS WILL HAVE COVERAGE OF THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION ALL WEEK.

AS WE WATCH THE DEBATES BETWEEN JOE BIDEN AND WHETHER HE IS TOO OLD TO SERVE, WE ARE REMINDED OF WHAT JOHN GLENN SAID WHEN HE LEFT THE SENATE, HE WAS THEN 75 YEARS OLD AND ANNOUNCED HE WOULD NOT RUN AGAIN BECAUSE OF HIS AGE SAYING, THERE IS NO CURE FOR THE COMMON BIRTHDAY.

JOHN GLENN CELEBRATED 19 MORE BIRTHDAYS.

THAT IS COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD FOR THIS WEEK, CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION ON FACEBOOK, WATCHES ANY TIME AT WOSU.ORG.

HAVE A GOOD WEEK.