>>> OHIO MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TAKE THEIR STANDS ON IMPEACHMENT.

\M\M >>   JOINING US ON "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD," SAM GRISHAM OF COMMON CAUSE OHIO, JOE INGALLS AND KENNEY CASEY.

FOR OHIO LAWMAKERS SO FAR PRESIDENT TRUMP'S IMPEACHMENT NUMBER TWO IS VERY SIMILAR TO IMPEACHMENT NUMBER ONE.

15 OF OHIO'S 60 MEMBERS OF CONGRESS VOTED ALONG PARTY LINES ON WHETHER TO IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT FOR INCITING A MOB TO ATTACK THE U.S. CAPITOL.

>> THESE INSURRECTIONISTS BELIEVE DONALD TRUMP'S LIES ABOUT THE STOLEN ELECTION, THEY OBEYED HIS CALL TO ATTACK.

THEY LITERALLY CARRIED HIS BANNER WHILE STORMING THE CAPITOL.

LAST WEEK'S INSURRECTION WAS SHOCKING AND TRAGIC.

IT WAS A CULMINATION OF FOUR YEARS OF ASSAULT ON OUR DEMOCRACY.

WE MUST IMPEACH THIS PRESIDENT.

>> REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT.

WE'VE CONDEMNED ALL THE VIOLENCE ALL THE TIME.

WE CONDEMNED IT LAST SUMMER.

WE CONDEMNED IT LAST WEEK.

WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON BRINGING THE NATION TOGETHER.

INSTEAD, DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT FOR A SECOND TIME ONE WEEK, ONE WEEK BEFORE HE LEAVES OFFICE.

>> ONLY REPUBLICAN ANTHONY GONZALEZ'S NORTHEAST OHIO BROKE RANKS AND VOTED FOR IMPEACHMENT.

HE WAS ONE OF TEN REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PRESIDENT.

WERE YOU SURPRISED THAT MORE OHIO REPUBLICAN MEMBERS OF CONGRESS DID NOT VOTE TO IMPEACH?

I'M THINKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT STEVE STYVERS.

HE VOTED WITH THE PRESIDENT AND VOTED AGAINST IMPEACHMENT SAYING THE PROCESS WAS TOO RUSHED.

>> I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS GOES TO THE U.S. SENATE IS WHAT'S REALLY GOING TO HAPPEN.

WEST VIRGINIA DEMOCRAT SENATOR JOE MANCHIN SUMMED IT UP PRETTY WELL.

HE RAISED THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THIS WILL BE AN EXERCISE IN FUTILITY BECAUSE CLEARLY THIS ISN'T GOING TO GET TO THE SENATE UNTIL JOE BIDEN'S PRESIDENT.

THE QUESTION IS WHAT'S THE VALUE OF IMPEACHING SOMEBODY WHO'S ALREADY OUT OF OFFICE?

SO I THINK THE BIG QUESTION IS WHERE DOES THIS REALLY LEAD AND WHAT'S THE TIMING, BECAUSE WHEN JOE BIDEN IS PREACHING UNITY, HOW DOES THE SENATE FOCUS ON MOVING HIS AGENDA FORWARD, CONFIRMING HIS PEOPLE AND DOING AN IMPEACHMENT TRIAL THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE LEGALLY.

>> GIVEN THE STRONG WORDS FROM THOSE REPUBLICAN MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND THE PICTURES WE SAW AT THE STATE HOUSE DURING THAT INSURRECTION, ONLY ONE VOTED AGAINST THE PRESIDENT.

WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?

>> PART OF IT IS THE NATURE OF HIS DISTRICT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES 2021 SO UNIQUE IS WE'VE GOT TO DRAW NEW CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS AND OHIO IS PROBABLY GOING TO LOSE ONE OF ITS DISTRICTS.

THE QUESTION IS WHERE DOES THE SHRINKAGE, WHERE DOES THE ADJUSTMENT HAPPEN?

IN NORTHEAST OHIO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF POPULATION SHRINKAGE.

THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS, INCLUDING HOW DISTRICTS ARE CREATED.

OBVIOUSLY JIM JORDON IS A QUESTION BECAUSE DOES HE RUN IN THE PRIMARY FOR MIKE DEWINE FOR GOVERNOR, IS HIS DISTRICT KEPT THE SAME, CHANGE MUCH.

>> THERE'S NO WAY JIM JORDAN'S DIRECT GETS ANY LESS COMPETITIVE THAN IT IS NOW.

IT STRETCHES FROM CINCINNATI TO LAKE ERIE.

REPUBLICANS KEPT CALLING IT A SNAP IMPEACHMENT AND THEY WEREN'T WRONG.

THESE WERE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT DID DEMOCRATS GO TOO FAST?

>> NO.

YOU MUST HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY BEFORE WE CAN HAVE UNITY.

PEOPLE ATTACKED THE CAPITOL OF THE UNITED STATES.

THEY HAD GUNS, THEY HAD WEAPONS.

WE BELIEVED THEY WERE COLLUDED BY SOMEONE, THE REPUBLICAN LEADERS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS.

NO.

IF YOU DON'T TAKE CARE OF THIS NOW, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IT ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AGAIN.

THESE PEOPLE NEED TO PAY AND THEY NEED TO PAY HEAVILY.

I DON'T THINK A TAP ON THE ARM IS SUFFICIENT.

FIVE PEOPLE DIED.

THEY HIT A POLICE OFFICER IN THE HEAD WITH A METAL CONTAINER.

>> FIRE EXTINGUISHER.

>> WE SHOULD NOT LOOK FOR UNITY.

WE SHOULD NOT TAP THEM ON THE HAND.

WE SHOULD STRIKE THEM TO THE CORE OF THEIR EXISTENCE FOR WHAT THEY DID.

>> I THINK AN OBVIOUS REASON IS BECAUSE THE DISTRICTS WERE SO GERRYMANDERED, THESE REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMEN IN OHIO, THEY HAVE TO BASICALLY SATISFY THE BASE.

48% OF AMERICANS STILL FEEL THAT THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN OR THERE WAS SOME SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH IT, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF THAT.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE TRUMP REPUBLICANS AND WE HAVE REPUBLICANS.

WE SAW IN THE ELECTION A LOT OF NEW VOTERS WERE BROUGHT OUT TO VOTE FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP.

ARE THOSE NEW VOTERS GOING TO STICK WITH THE PARTY, OR ARE THEY GOING TO GO AWAY?

WHAT WILL HAPPEN NOW WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS FOLLOWING?

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE VERY INTERESTING TO WATCH AS IT PANS OUT.

>> WHAT DOES ROB PORTMAN DO HERE?

HE'S UP FOR REELECTION IN TWO YEARS.

HE HAS SUPPORTED THE PRESIDENT ONCE HE GOT INTO OFFICE.

HE WITHDREW HIS ENDORSEMENT BEFORE THE ELECTION IN 2016 BECAUSE OF THE ACCESS HOLLYWOOD TAPE.

HE'S BEEN IN SUPPORT OF THE PRESIDENT SINCE THEN AND HAS BEEN RELUCTANT TO CRITICIZE HIM.

HE SAYS HE HASN'T MADE UP HIS MIND.

WHAT DOES HE DO HERE, WAIT TO SEE WHAT MITCH McCONNELL DOES?

>> I THINK IN SOME CASES WAITING HIS VIEW TO SEE THE EVIDENCE AND OBVIOUSLY THE BIG QUESTION FOR THE SENATE BECAUSE IT TAKES A TWO-THIRDS VOTE, 67 VOTES.

THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THERE'S ANY CHANCE OF GETTING THAT LARGE OF A NUMBER.

IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE BECAUSE THERE'S SOME SENATORS, INCLUDING DEMOCRATS BASICALLY SAYING THIS IS NOT THE HIGHEST PRIORITY RIGHT NOW.

PORTMAN'S POSITION OF BEING A GOOD JUROR AND WAITING MIGHT BE A DODGE, BUT IT ALSO BE THE SMART, BEST WAY TO HANDLE IT.

EVEN MITT ROMNEY SAID HE WAS KIND OF GOING TO WAIT AND SEE IN TERMS OF WHAT HAPPENED.

SO I THINK IT'S A REAL QUESTION OF WHEN AND IF AND HOW DOES IT COME TO THE SENATE COMPARED TO ALL THE OTHER ISSUES THE SENATE IS FACING.

>> DO YOU SEE 17 REPUBLICAN SENATORS CROSSING?

THAT'S A LOT OF SENATORS CROSSING OVER TO VOTE TO PENALIZE THE PRESIDENT AND KEEP HIM FROM RUNNING AGAIN.

>> I DON'T SEE THEM CROSSING BUT I SEE THEM TAKING THAT VOTE AND EACH ONE OF THEM PAYING A PRICE IF THEY MAKE THAT VOTE.

IT'S INTERESTING WHEN WE COME TO STUFF LIKE THIS.

WE CODDLE PEOPLE WHO TRIED TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY IN A CIVIL WAR.

WE SUPPORTED THAT FLAG, BUILT STATUES TO THEM.

HERE WE GO AGAIN.

PEOPLE WHO TRIED TO DESTROY OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT WITH CODDLING.

THE ONLY REASON WE'RE CODDLING IS BECAUSE THEY'RE WHITE PEOPLE.

IF THEY'RE BLACK PEOPLE, THAT WOULD NOT OCCUR.

>> TERRY CASEY, THIS IS THE IMAGE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, AT LEAST A LARGE PORTION OF IT RIGHT NOW.

HOW DOES YOUR PARTY OVERCOME THAT?

>> I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS PEOPLE FORGET A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HISTORY, I CAN REMEMBER 2009 IN JANUARY.

PEOPLE BELIEVED THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WASN'T JUST DYING, THAT IT WAS DEAD AND BURIED.

THEN AMAZINGLY IN 2010 REPUBLICANS CAME BACK, GAINED A MAJORITY IN CONGRESS AND THINGS MARCHED ON FROM THERE.

SO POLITICS ON BOTH SIDES HAS UPS AND DOWNS.

PEOPLE IN THE MEDIA LIKE TO DECLARE ONE PARTY OR THE OTHER PARTY DEAD.

IT'S AMAZING HOW THINGS CHANGE, MOVE AND SHIFT.

>> BUT WHAT, FIVE YEARS AFTER WATERGATE A REPUBLICAN WAS BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE WITH RONALD REAGAN.

REPUBLICANS ARE WORRIED ABOUT PRIMARY OPPONENTS IN THIS NEXT YEAR AND THEY'RE TRYING TO AVOID THOSE COMPETITORS FROM THEIR OWN PARTY LIKE GOVERNOR DEWINE.

JIM JORDAN IS THINKING ABOUT RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR.

HOW WORRIED ARE REPUBLICANS OF PRIMARY OPPONENTS?

>> I THINK THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT PRIMARY OPPONENTS, BUT I THINK THEY'RE ALSO WORRIED ABOUT UNCERTAINTIES.

RIGHT NOW IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE FACTS OR DETAILS ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY WENT DOWN.

WE DON'T KNOW IF SOMEONE DID SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

WE DON'T KNOW THE PRESIDENT'S INVOLVEMENT.

THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT STILL WE WANT TO FIND OUT ANSWERS TO AS JOURNALISTS.

UNTIL WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE LAWMAKERS WHO ARE LOOKING AT A POSSIBLE PRIMARY ARE KIND OF STANDING BACK SAYING, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO JUMP TOO FAST BECAUSE I JUST DON'T KNOW ENOUGH.

>> TERRY CASEY, HOW WORRIED ARE REPUBLICAN OFFICE HOLDERS LIKE MIKE DEWINE, ROB PORTMAN, MODERATE REPUBLICANS?

>> OHIO'S HISTORY HAS BEEN THAT WE'VE HAD SOME PRIMARIES, BUT GENERALLY YOU GET MULTIPLE PEOPLE RUNNING WHICH DIVIDES THE ANTI-VOTE.

ALSO IN OHIO WE'VE HAD A PRETTY GOOD TRADITION IN HISTORY IN PRIMARIES THAT THERE'S A UNIQUE COALITION BETWEEN MAIN STREET REPUBLICANS, CORN HOUSE REPUBLICANS, OTHER TYPE OF REPUBLICANS THAT OUTWEIGH SOME OF THE ACTIVIST SIDE WHO MIGHT RISE UP.

REMEMBER, THE PRIMARY, I THINK, IS GOING TO BE IN MAY AND THAT DOESN'T USUALLY ATTRACT THE BIG MASS TURNOUT UNLESS YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING REALLY UNUSUAL HAPPENING.

REMEMBER BACK IN 2016, TRUMP CAME INTO OHIO WITH A LOT OF MOMENTUM, BUT HE DIDN'T WIN THIS STATE.

SO I THINK THERE'S STILL A PRETTY MODERATE, MIDDLE OF THE ROAD PEOPLE THAT WANT TO FOCUS ON WINNING IN THE FALL, THAT'S THEIR DIRECTION.

THAT'S THEIR PRIORITY.

>> ONE MORE QUESTION ON THIS TOPIC.

IF DONALD TRUMP IS ACQUITTED AGAIN IN THE U.S. SENATE, IT IS NOT PRECLUDED FROM RUNNING AGAIN IN 2024, DOES THAT LIKE KIND OF THE LAST TIME HE WAS IMPEACHED, I DID NOTHING WRONG.

DOES THAT EMBOLDEN HIS OPPONENTS EVEN MORE?

>> YES, IT DOES.

WE SAW WHAT HE DID.

WE SAW THE BUILDOUT HE WAS DOING TO GET TO THIS THING.

SEDITION IS NOT A VERY NICE THING.

YOU KNOW, THEY WIPED OUT THE BLACK PANTHERS FOR OPENING CALIFORNIA TO NEW YORK CITY ON THE ASSUMPTION THEY WERE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, NOT ANYTHING THEY HAD DONE.

AND WE'RE SITTING HERE CODDLING PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY TRIED TO BE SEDITIONISTS IN THIS COUNTRY.

NO.

YOU KNOW, LET THAT GO.

YOU DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO PUNISH, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, IT'S NEVER GOING TO GO AWAY.

I'M BEING REDUNDANT.

THE ONLY REASON THEY'RE DOING IS BECAUSE THESE ARE WHITE PEOPLE.

THEY ARE ANTI-AMERICA.

THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THIS COUNTRY.

THEY DON'T WANT TO MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO THIS COUNTRY.

THEY WANT TO DESTROY THIS COUNTRY.

>> THE OHIO STATE HOUSE IS LOCKED DOWN IN ANTICIPATION OF POSSIBLE PROTESTS THIS WEEKEND.

THE FBI REPORTEDLY HAS WARNED LOCAL OFFICIALS THAT STATE CAPITOLS INCLUDING COLUMBUS, COULD BE THE SCENE OF ARMED MARCHES BY FAR RIGHT EXTREMIST GROUPS.

THE STATE HOUSE IS CLOSED.

BARRICADES SURROUND IT.

GOVERNOR DEWINE HAS ORDERED THE STATE HIGHWAY PATROL AND NATIONAL GUARD TO BE ON HAND TO HELP LOCAL POLICE.

HE SAYS OHIO WILL NOT TOLERATE VIOLENT PROTESTS.

>> JUST AS WE RESPECT AND WILL PROTECT PEACEFUL PROTESTERS, WE WILL ALSO JUST AS VIGOROUSLY RESIST VIOLENCE.

>> WHAT HATE GROUPS WANT IS CONFRONTATION TO GIVE THEM A PLATFORM AND TO AMPLIFY THEIR MESSAGE.

LET'S NOT GIVE IT TO THEM.

>> MAYOR URGING FOLKS TO STAY HOME THIS WEEKEND, COUNTER PROTESTERS, THAT IS.

AS EXTRA OFFICERS AND GUARDS SECURE CAPITOL SQUARE, LEADERS WILL NOT PROHIBIT GUNS FROM STATE HOUSE GROUNDS EVEN TEMPORARILY.

WHAT IS THE SITUATION DOWN AT THE STATE HOUSE?

IT'S FAR MORE SECURE THAN IT'S BEEN IN A LONG TIME.

>> YEAH, AND FAR MORE SECURE THAN I'VE EVER SEEN IT IN MY RECENT MEMORY.

RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH, BUT WE HAVE SEEN THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE WEEK THEY HAVE ADDED MORE AND MORE AND MORE SECURITY.

THEY ARE TELLING THE STATE HOUSE EMPLOYEES AND DOWNTOWN EMPLOYEES TO STAY HOME IF POSSIBLE, DO NOT BE OUT THERE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW IS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO SHOW UP, WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.

THERE'S A LOT OF CHATTER OUT THERE THAT NONE OF US ARE PRIVY TOO, BUT MAYBE THE SECURITY FOLKS ARE.

SO IT JUST REMAINS TO BE SEEN THAT THEY DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF COUNTER PROTESTERS DOWN THERE, BECAUSE THAT ADDS MORE FUEL TO THE FIRE AND THEY'VE ALREADY GOT ISSUES IF THEY GET A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE WITH GUNS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

>> THERE WAS ONE COUNTER PROTESTER, I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST WEEK DURING ONE OF THESE PRO TRUMP PROTESTS THAT WAS PUNCHED BY A PRO TRUMP SUPPORTER, MINOR SCUFFLE, BUT YOU SEE HOW IT COULD ESCALATE.

WHY NOT PROHIBIT GUNS TEMPORARILY ON STATE HOUSE GROUNDS JUST TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE?

>> MY VIEW IS THAT THE CITY AND THE STATE OFFICIALS LEARNED A LOT THIS SUMMER IN TERMS OF WHAT HAPPENED, HOW TO CONTROL, HOW TO SEPARATE PEOPLE.

I THINK THE FACT THAT, AS JOE INDICATED, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE COUNTER PROTESTERS THERE.

IT'S WINTERTIME.

I THINK THINGS ARE GOING TO GO SMOOTHLY.

YOU CAN DEBATE WHETHER OR NOT GUNS ON THE PROPERTY ARE NEAR THE STATE HOUSE, BUT IN GENERAL I THINK THE STATE AND CITY PEOPLE HAVE PREPARED WELL.

THEY KNOW WHAT MIGHT COME AND SO I THINK THAT'S GOING TO SCARE AWAY ANY POTENTIAL PROBLEMS OR SIGNIFICANT DIFFICULTIES.

>> ONE OF THE LESSONS FROM THIS SUMMER WAS THE COLUMBUS POLICE LEARNED THAT IF YOU COME TO A DEMONSTRATION DRESSED IN RIOT GEAR WITH HELMETS AND BATONS AND FACE SHIELDS AND TECHNICAL GEAR, THAT ESCALATES THE SITUATION RIGHT AWAY.

IT SEEMS LIKE†-- WE DON'T KNOW YET, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE HIGHWAY PATROL AND THE NATIONAL GUARD AND THE CITY ARE GOING TO SHOW UP JUST THAT WAY, READY FOR, YOU KNOW, A FIGHT.

IS THAT POSSIBLY COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO ESCALATE THINGS WITH THIS PROTEST?

>> I THINK IT'S HARD TO MEASURE.

WHAT YOU DO IS PREPARE FOR THE WORST AND HOPE FOR THE BEST.

YOU DON'T WANT TO BE CAUGHT OFF GUARD THINKING THESE GUYS ARE GOING TO BE A WALK IN THE PARK AND THEY TEAR UP THE STATE HOUSE.

YOU DON'T WANT THAT.

AGAIN, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF AFTER THEY STORMED THE CAPITOL, NOW THEY ARE THREATENING 50 STATE CAPITOLS.

THIS IS NOT A WALK IN THE PARK.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU JUST FORGET.

NO.

THEY'RE THREATENING THIS COUNTRY.

THEY ATTACKED THE NATIONAL CAPITOL AND NOW THEY'RE THREATENING 50 STATES.

WHO DO YOU THINK THESE PEOPLE ARE?

LET ME END ON YOUR QUESTION.

I THINK IF THEY DON'T, THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING TO PROTEST WITH GUNS.

>> THE SOCIAL JUSTICES PROTESTS OVER THE SUMMER RESULTED IN BROKEN WINDOWS AT THE STATE HOUSE, GRAFFITI AT THE STATE HOUSE.

IS THERE A COMPARISON BETWEEN THESE FOLKS AND THOSE FOLKS?

>> I CRITICIZE THOSE PEOPLE TOO.

I DON'T THINK THAT WAS NECESSARY.

THE ONLY THING I'M GOING TO SAY TO YOU, THEY ATTACKED THE CAPITOL OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

THAT IS DECLARING WAR.

THAT IS SEDITION.

THAT IS NOT WRITING GRAFFITI ON A WALL.

THAT IS NOT SCREAMING OUT WORDS THAT ARE NOT APPROPRIATE.

THEY ATTACKED.

I'M COMING FROM THE POSITION THAT I WAS A UNITED STATES MARINE.

I KNOW WHAT I DID FOR THIS COUNTRY AND I WON'T TOLERATE THAT.

I'M NOT TOLERATING THESE PEOPLE AND WE SHOULD NOT CODDLE THEM.

IF THEY LET PEOPLE COME WITH GUNS, I'M GOING TO GUARANTEE THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT WITH GUNS.

>> IN WASHINGTON THEY'VE SHUT DOWN THE NATIONAL MALL, WHICH IS INCREDIBLE, FOR THE INAUGURATION.

YOU CAN'T GATHER ON THE MALL TO SEE THE NEW PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SWORN IN, WHICH IS JUST INCREDIBLE.

WHY IN COLUMBUS ARE THEY NOT BLOCKING OFF MORE THAN, SAY, JUST THE TEN OR 12 YARDS AROUND THE STATE HOUSE?

WHY NOT BLOCK OFF CAPITOL SQUARE?

>> WE ASKED ABOUT THAT.

IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO SEE WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.

IF THEY NEED TO BLOCK OFF CITY STREETS DOWN THERE, WE SAW DURING THE PROTESTS IN THE CITY THAT THEY CAN BLOCK THOSE STREETS VERY QUICKLY.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE.

I'M SURE IF THEY SEE A REASON TO DO THAT, THEY WILL DO THAT.

I THINK THEY REALLY DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO EXPECT.

WITH THE SITUATION BEING WHAT IT IS, THEY THINK THEY CAN CONTROL THE CROWDS.

THEY JUST KEEP THE CROWDS OUT OF THE STATE HOUSE GROUNDS RIGHT ON THAT PERIMETER.

WE'LL SEE.

>> TERRY CASEY, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE A PART OF THIS GROUP.

THIS ISN'T YOUR WING OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

I JUST WANT YOU TO SPECULATE A LITTLE BIT.

THEY SAY THEIR RIGHTS ARE BEING TRAMPLED UPON, THAT THEIR RIGHTS ARE BEING TAKEN AWAY.

WHAT RIGHTS EXACTLY HAVE BEEN TAKEN AWAY THE LAST FOUR YEARS, THE LAST 12 YEARS, HECK, THE LAST 20 YEARS?

WHAT ARE THEY HOPING TO ACCOMPLISH AND WHAT EXACTLY RIGHTS HAVE THEY LOST OVER THE PAST TWO DECADES?

>> TO BE BLUNT, SOME OF THESE PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY IN D.C. A WEEK AGO, THEY WERE NUT CASES WHO WEREN'T RATIONAL, REASONABLE KIND OF PEOPLE TO THINK YOU CAN DO VIOLENCE AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

I THINK IN COLUMBUS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE WELL PREPARED BECAUSE BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE STATE THEY'VE GOT THE RESOURCES.

THE GOOD THING ABOUT THE STATE HOUSE LAWN WHEN YOU'VE GOT A BIG OPEN AREA LIKE THAT IT'S EASIER TO CONTROL, SEE WHO'S COMING FROM WHERE.

THERE'S LESS PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO HIDE.

I THINK THE WORD IS OUT AND IF YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE NUT CASES AND YOU KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE SERIOUS FORCE THERE, AND A LOT OF THEM DO RESPECT LAW ENFORCEMENT, SOME DO, SOME DON'T.

BUT I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO REALIZE THE ODDS ARE AGAINST THEM AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE HOPEFULLY BUSY ON OTHER THINGS AND NOT TRYING TO CAUSE TROUBLE.

>> ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS LIKE THE WEATHER MAN SAYS, THERE'S GOING TO BE TEN FEET OF SNOW.

WE END UP WITH LIKE A QUARTER INCH OF RAIN.

LET'S HOPE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS THIS WEEK IN COLUMBUS.

>>> OHIOANS WHO ARE 80 AND OLDER CAN GET A COVID-19 VACCINE BUT THEY HAVE A 1 IN 4 CHANCE OF GETTING A SHOT BECAUSE THE STATE WILL ONLY HAVE A QUARTER OF THE DOSES IT NEEDS TO VACCINATE EVERYONE IN JUST THAT POPULATION.

>> THE BIG PICTURE COMES BACK TO THIS, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH.

WE HOPE THIS IS GOING TO INCREASE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

WE HOPE THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL STREAMS FLOWING IN.

>> THE STATE'S COVID WEBSITE HAS A TOOL FOR PEOPLE TO FIND VACCINATION SITES.

THERE WILL BE 72 SITES IN FRANKLIN COUNTY.

THE VIRUS CONTINUES TO SPREAD AT A VERY HIGH RATE ACROSS THE STATE.

A STRAIN OF THE VIRUS HAS BEEN DISCOVERED SIMILAR TO THE ONE SPOTTED IN GREAT BRITAIN.

THAT STRAIN IN THE U.K. MADE THE CORONAVIRUS MUCH MORE CONTAGIOUS THAN THE ORIGINAL STRAINS.

SAM, WE FOUND OUT ON FRIDAY WE MAY HAVE EVEN LESS VACCINE THAN WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF HOW THIS VACCINE IS BEING ROLLED OUT?

WE'RE TRYING TO VACCINATE MILLIONS, BILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN A FAIRLY SHORT TIME.

IS THIS JUST GROWING PAINS OR SOMETHING MORE THAN THAT?

>> IT'S INCOMPETENCE ON THE PART OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE GIVEN THE RESPONSIBILITY TO ROLL THIS STUFF OUT.

EVERYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS IGNORANCE, INCOMPETENCE.

THE REPUBLICANS AT THIS TIME HAVE AN INTERESTING HABIT.

THEY CANNIBALIZE THEIR OWN.

THEY'RE GOING AFTER MIKE DEWINE, THE GOVERNOR OF OHIO, TALKING ABOUT IMPEACHING HIM BECAUSE HE'S DOING THE RIGHT THING.

THIS IS AN INTERESTING TIME.

NO.

IT WAS INCOMPETENCE.

AND EVEN AT THIS POINT, THE GROUP THAT IS HURT THE MOST, THAT'S PEOPLE OF COLOR.

STILL DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIAL PLANS FOR THEM TO GET THE VACCINE OR ANY PROGRAMMING TO HELP THEM FROM GETTING THE VIRUS.

THEY JETTISONED THE BLACK COMMUNITY IN THE STATE OF OHIO AND MOST NATIONAL COMMUNITIES EXCEPT FOR ONES THAT ARE DOMINATED BY AFRICAN-AMERICAN PEOPLE.

NO.

>> WHAT IS THE BASIC STRATEGY OF THE DEWINE ADMINISTRATION WHEN IT COMES TO DISTRIBUTING THIS VACCINE TO TRY TO MAKE SURE IT'S DISTRIBUTED FAIRLY GEOGRAPHICALLY.

I THINK THE GOVERNOR IS TRYING TO DISTRIBUTE IT FAIRLY ACROSS ALL RACIAL LINES, SOCIAL ECONOMIC LINES.

WHAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE STRATEGY?

>> BASICALLY EVERYTHING IS DELEGATED LOCALLY.

THERE'S NOT LIKE ONE PLACE IN THE STATE WHERE YOU GO AND SIGN UP AND FIGURE OUT WHERE TO GO.

YOU GO TO EACH OF THE LOCAL VENDORS.

YOU CAN FIND OUT THROUGH THE STATE WEBSITE WHO IS OFFERING IT.

YOU GO TO THE INDIVIDUAL PLACES AND SCHEDULE YOUR VACCINE.

WHAT SAM IS SPEAKING ABOUT IS MAYBE TAKING THINGS INTO NEIGHBORHOODS AND SPECIAL SITUATIONS.

YOU KNOW, GOVERNOR DEWINE IS SAYING AS THIS ROLLS OUT MORE AND THEY GET MORE VACCINE AND IT'S AVAILABLE, HE THINKS THAT WE MIGHT START SEEING SOME CHANGES THAT WOULD MAKE IT MORE USER FRIENDLY.

FOR EXAMPLE, HAVING PLACES WHERE IT WOULD BE OFFERED ON THE WEEKENDS.

RIGHT NOW THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH VACCINE TO GO AND.

>> IS THIS THE RIGHT STRATEGY, LETTING THE LOCAL FOLKS HANDLE IT?

>>> OHIO IS A VERY DIVERSE STATE.

AND IF YOU TRIED TO HAVE A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL, THAT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN MEDIUM-SIZED COUNTIES, SMALLER COUNTIES.

I THINK THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL IS BY THE END OF FEBRUARY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PROBABLY JOHNSON AND JOHNSON AND MAYBE ONE OTHER COMPANY'S VACCINE APPROVED OR NEARLY APPROVED.

AS WE GET A MONTH AND A HALF FROM NOW, WE PROBABLY ARE GOING TO HAVE FOUR VACCINES.

THE SUPPLY IS GOING TO BE A LOT BETTER.

SO I THINK THE FACT THAT THERE'S LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL IS VERY GOOD.

I CAN REMEMBER IN OCTOBER WHEN SOME OF SAM'S POLITICAL FRIENDS SAID THERE WILL NEVER BE A VACCINE DEVELOPED BY THE END OF 2020 AND IT ACTUALLY DID HAPPEN.

SO THERE'S BEEN PROGRESS.

THERE'S MORE TO COME.

I THINK WHAT THE GOVERNOR IS DOING IS SMART, BECAUSE AGAIN, OHIO IS SUCH A DIVERSE AND BIG STATE.

>> LET'S GET TO PARTING SHOTS.

SAM?

>> YOU'RE LIVING THROUGH HISTORY.

THIS IS A CLEAR EXAMPLE OF HOW GOVERNMENT CAN BE INCOMPETENT IF YOU ELECT THE WRONG PERSON.

THAT MODEL SHOULD FOLLOW NOT ONLY FOR THE NATIONAL, BUT FOR THE STATE.

INCOMPETENCE IS A DISEASE.

>> CIRCLE FEBRUARY 1st ON YOUR CALENDAR.

THAT'S WHEN THE STATE BUDGET WILL BE UNVEILED.

THE GOOD NEWS SO FAR, OHIO IS AHEAD OF THE PACK ON REVENUE.

WE'RE NOT LIKE SOME OF THESE STATES WHERE WE NEED A FEDERAL BAILOUT.

BUT DOING THAT NEXT TO YOUR BUDGET IS GOING TO BE TOUGH AND CHALLENGING, BECAUSE WE'RE STARTING TO SEE IN THE LAST MONTH RETAIL SALES SLOW DOWN.

SO GET READY FOR THE FIRST HALF, ESPECIALLY IN MAY AND JUNE, A ROCKY ROAD AT THE STATE HOUSE.

AND IT WON'T BE BECAUSE OF PROTESTERS.

>> THEY'RE TELLING PEOPLE NOT TO GO PROTEST DOWNTOWN, THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SEND A MESSAGE, SOME OF THE GROUPS ARE SAYING, GO VOLUNTEER, GO FREQUENT A BLACK-OWNED BUSINESS, GO LEARN MORE ABOUT DR. KING HIMSELF.

THERE ARE WAYS TO MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD WITHOUT APPEARING AT THE CORNER OF BROAD AND PINE.

>>> GOOD ADVICE.

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