>>> A LEADERSHIP SHAKEUP ON THE NO ON ISSUE ONE CAMPAIGN.

>> >> WELCOME TO "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD".

CHANGE A CAMPAIGN LEADERSHIP IN THE FINAL WEEKS OF A CAMPAIGN IS NEVER A GOOD SIGN.

BUT THAT IS WHAT OPPONENTS TO ISSUE ONE HAVE DONE.

THE ABORTION-RIGHTS OPPONENTS HAVE SELECTED A NEW LEADER AS CLEVELAND.COM FIRST REPORTED.

THE MOVE CAME AS GOVERNOR DeWINE BECAME WORRIED ABOUT THE EFFORT TO DEFEAT THE ABORTION- RIGHTS AMENDMENT.

HE IS BROUGHT IN A NEVADA CONSULTANT WITH TIES TO THE GOVERNOR'S POLITICAL TEAM TO LEAD THE GROUP CALLED, PROTECT WOMEN OF OHIO.

THIS COMES AS THE NO ON ISSUE ONE CAMPAIGN HAS STRUGGLED WITH A CLEAR MESSAGE.

AND ONLY THIS WEEK, BEGINS CAMPAIGN.

YOU HAVE BEEN EVOLVING CAMPAIGNS.

WHAT DOES A CHANGE , BASICALLY SEVEN WEEKS BEFORE THE ELECTION, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

HOW DO YOU SEE IT?

>> LOOK, I CAN HANDLE MY ENEMIES, BUT SPARE ME FROM MY FRIENDS.

OKAY?

IT HAS A HARD TIME BEING COHESIVE.

NEED TO BE COHERENT.

AND WHEN YOU HAVE THIS MANY REPUBLICANS, WHAT WE HAVE, DOMINATING THE STATE HOUSE.

WHEN WE FORM A CIRCULAR FIRING SQUAD, IT IS A MUCH LARGER CIRCLE, AND BEING REPUBLICAN, WE HAVE ACCESS TO BIG COMES WITH HIGH CALIBERS.

NOW, THE DEMOCRATS HAVE A MUCH SMALLER CIRCLE FIRING SQUAD.

THEY ONLY THROW SPITBALLS AT EACH OTHER, WHICH THEY LATER PICK UP AND RECYCLE.

MY POINT HERE IS THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY OF US, IT IS INTRINSICALLY DIFFICULT TO HAVE A COHERENT STRUCTURE AND MESSAGE WHEN YOU HAVE SO MANY VOICES.

>> IS THIS BECAUSE THE POLLING SHOWS THAT ROUGHLY 55 TO 60% OF ABORTION-RIGHTS WITH RESTRICTIONS?

AND THE ABORTION-RIGHTS OPPONENTS CANNOT WIN ON THAT ISSUE ALONE?

SO THEY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING TO WIN?

WHAT GOING TO WORK?

>> EXACTLY.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO THIS --THEY TRIED ISSUE ONE TO SCARE PEOPLE BY GOING WITH THE PARENTAL RIGHTS STUFF AND ALL OF THAT.

YOU CAN ONLY GO TO THE WELL SO MANY TIMES, AND THEN WHEN YOU ARE PROVEN TO BE WRONG, THEN YOU TEND TO RUN OUT OF STEAM.

>> ON THE OTHER SIDE, THIS IS ONLY SEVEN WEEKS OR SO UNTIL ELECTION DAY.

BUT THIS CAMPAIGN IS FAIRLY SHORT, HERB.

I GUESS OFFICIALLY IN JULY WHEN THE BALLOT, WHEN THE AMENDMENT WAS APPROVED FOR THE BALLOT.

SO CHANGING LEADERS BASICALLY HALFWAY THROUGH A SHORT CAMPAIGN, IS THAT NECESSARY?

THAT COULD WORK, RIGHT?

>> NO.

THE MORE FOR MENTAL THING, IS WHAT IS THEIR MESSAGE?

LOTS OF THINGS AGAINST THE WALL HOPING SOMETHING WOULD STICK.

AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE PREVIOUS LEADERSHIP TEAM WOULD DO ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING IN ORDER TO WIN, INCLUDING MISLEAD AND ALL OF THAT.

AND THAT IS NOT A WINNING STRATEGY ON THIS ISSUE.

SO THE REAL QUESTION BECOMES NOW, WHAT DO THEY SAY TO CONVINCE THE VOTERS TO VOTE NO?

AND NOW YOU HAVE THE GOVERNOR PUTTING HIS PRESTIGE ON THE LINE.

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, HAVING MADE SOME SUBSTANTIAL CONTRIBUTIONS.

AND I THINK THEY MIGHT BE A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE NO HOLDS BARRED CAMPAIGN, WHERE EVERYTHING , YOU KNOW, IS GOING TO TAKE AWAY PARENTAL RIGHTS, TRANCE, ABORTION, YOUR CHILDREN.

THOSE ARE ALL SCARE TACTICS, AS GENE WAS SAYING, AND I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BACKFIRE ON THEM.

>> THE FIRST AD IS COMING OUT THIS WEEKEND.

OHIO STATE/NOTRE DAME GAME.

IT IS AN AD THAT FEATURES DONALD TRUMP SAYING --WELL WE ARE NOT GOING TO RUN THESE ADS FOR EITHER SIDE.

UNLESS THEY MAKE NEWS, REALLY.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO RUN OUT ON THE SHOW FOR EITHER SIDE.

BUT THIS AD HAS DONALD TRUMP SAYING, IF ISSUE ONE PASSES, IN THE NINTH MONTH, YOU CAN TAKE THE BABY AND RIPPED THE BABY OUT OF THE WOMB OF THE MOTHER.

THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN.

FIRST OF ALL, THEY INDUCE LABOR.

NOTHING IS RIPPED OUT OF THE WOMB OF THE MOTHER.

IN LATE-TERM ABORTION IS EXTREMELY RARE.

IT ONLY HAPPENS WHEN THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER IS IN DANGER OR THE FETUS IS NO LONGER ALIVE.

BUT YET, THEY KEEP HANGING THEIR HAT ON IT.

AND THAT IS LEGAL UNDER THE HEARTBEAT LAW.

THERE IS A HEALTH EXCEPTION.

>> ABOUT 10 TO 11% OF THE GENERAL POPULATION THINKS THIS IS A TRUE STATEMENT.

ABORTION IS MURDER.

THAT IS IT.

PERIOD.

NO EXCEPTIONS, NOTHING ELSE.

ANYTHING BEYOND THAT.

SO FOR MY REPUBLICAN PEOPLE COME UP WITH A RESPONSE --THIS GOES BACK TO A COHERENT MESSAGE.

WHILE YOU HAVE GOT A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE BLUE VOTING PRIMARIES SAYING ABORTION IS MURDER, NO EXCEPTIONS EVER , TO THOSE WHO GO WELL, RAPE AND INCEST.

HOW ABOUT LIFE?

MEDICAL SITUATIONS?

NO.

SO YOU HAVE THAT GOING.

YOU HAVE THAT TENSION GOING ON, AND SO I THINK THERE ARE OTHER BROADER QUESTIONS.

IF ISSUE ONE PASSES, WHAT DID THE REPUBLICANS PROPOSE THAT SERVING THE STATE HOUSE NOW TO GO ON --AND I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO MAY OR THE MARCH PRIMARY BALLOT WAS SOMETHING , BECAUSE ONLY REPUBLICANS WILL BE COMING TO THE POLLS.

BECAUSE THESE WILL HAVE NO PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY.

SHERRY IS NOT GOOD HAVE A PRIMARY PRE-WILL BE A REPUBLICAN STATE SENATE PRIMARY.

THE U.S. SENATE PRIMARY.

SO I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AT GOING TO COME BACK WITH THAT.

THE QUESTION IS WE CAN AGREE ON A THING.

>> I HAVE HEARD THE SAME THING.

ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT IS COMING IN WITH A HOTTER CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT THAT MIGHT BE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN ONE THAT VOTERS WOULD HAVE APPROVED .

THEY HAVE SILLY PEOPLE ON THEIR SIDE THAT THEY, WAIT A SECOND.

WHAT ARE YOU DOING?

NO ABORTIONS WHATSOEVER.

AND THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO WOULD BENEFIT BY PUTTING ANOTHER AMENDMENT ON THE BALLOT ARE IN FACT THE CAMPAIGN, THE MEDIA PEOPLE.

IT WILL BE ANOTHER SOURCE OF RAISING MONEY.

>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST ISSUE ONE, THE 60% THRESHOLD QUESTION IN AUGUST, THAT BASICALLY LOST 60/40.

GIVE OR TAKE.

>> 57.

>> IF THIS FOLLOWS THE POLLS EDIT BY THE SAME MARGIN, CAN THEY REALLY GO BACK TO THE POLLS AGAIN AFTER LOSING BASICALLY 55, 45, 60, 40 AND TWO STRAIGHT ELECTIONS?

I KNOW THEY CAN, BUT WILL THEY?

>> I GOT MOMENT, BECAUSE ON ELECTION NIGHT IN AUGUST, MATT HUFFMAN, PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE, FLAT OUT SAID, YES, WE ARE GOING TO GO BACK ON THE BALLOT.

>> LET'S GIVE MONEY TO THAT CAMPAIGN.

>> THAT IS 60/40 AGAIN.

>> HERE IS THE LANGUAGE PRE-17 WORDS THEY COULD PROPOSE TO GO TO THE OHIO CONSTITUTION THAT WOULD GET 80, 83% APPROVAL.

THE STATE MAY REGULATE ABORTION, EXCEPT IN CASES OF RAPE AND INCEST AND THE HEALTH OF THE MOTHER.

17 WORDS.

IT LEAVES A ROLE FOR THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, IT LEAVES A ROLE FOR THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY, IT WAS A ROLE FOR THE GOVERNOR, THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.

IT ALLOWS FOR -- >> I THINK DEMOCRATS AND THE BROADER PUBLIC WOULD HEAR INSTANTLY, AND CERTAINLY WOULD BE TOLD, YOU ARE SAYING THEY CAN REGULATE IT SO IT COULD BE FIVE WEEKS, SIX WEEKS, 10 WEEKS, 12 WEEKS?

>> NO, THAT IS NOT WHAT OHIO AND SUPPORT.

>> THIS IS ANOTHER DESPERATE ATTEMPT BY PEOPLE TRYING TO CONFUSE THE VOTERS.

SO I DO NOT THINK THAT IS A I THINK GOING BACK AGAIN AFTER YOU HAVE LOST THE FIRST TIME, AND ALSO LOST ON THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT REQUIREMENTS , THAT SOUNDS A BIT DESPERATE.

IT'S BASICALLY SAYING, WE DON'T TRUST THE VOTERS.

THEN RELATED TO THAT, WHAT IF IN FACT THE RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA PASSES?

WHAT DO THEY DO NEXT YEAR IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY?

>> WE WILL GET TO THAT A MOMENT.

ONE MORE QUESTION ON THIS.

ADD THIS WEEKEND IS $94,000, I BELIEVE.

THAT IS TINY.

YOU ARE BASICALLY GOING TO GET ONE AD, AND THEY ARE RUNNING THESE GAMES AT THE GAMES IN CLEVELAND, CINCINNATI, YOUNGSTOWN, TOLEDO, BUT NOT COLUMBUS.

THEY SAY IT IS TOO EXPENSIVE AND YOU NEED MORE ADVANCED NOTICE.

>> PAWN SHOP STEW BIGGER AD BUYS.

>> WHAT DOES THAT SAY?

THEY'RE HURTING FOR MONEY?

>> THEY ARE HURTING FOR MONEY, TRYING OUT A MESSAGE, PICK ONE OF THE THINGS.

BUT ONCE AGAIN, IF THEY ARE TRYING OUT A MESSAGE, IT MEANS THEY HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH THEIR ORDINARY PROCESS OF FOCUS GROUPS AND POLLING.

MUSIC NOTRE DAME.

IT IS A WISE PLACE TO PUT AN AD.

YOU ASSUME THERE MIGHT BE A LOT OF CATHOLIC VOTERS WATCHING NOTRE DAME'S IF THEY'RE NOT BUCKEYE FANS, RIGHT?

>> SURE, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE ACCORDING TO EVERY POLL I HAVE SEEN, THEY DON'T HAVE UNANIMOUS SUPPORT OR OVERWHELMING SUPPORT AMONG CATHOLIC VOTERS.

AND THAT AMENDMENT ALSO PROVIDES FOR PROTECTION WITH RESPECT TO BIRTH CONTROL.

YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT A RADICAL AMENDMENT.

>> WHAT HERB JUST BROUGHT UP, THE BIT ABOUT THE BIRTH CONTROL THING, THERE HAS BEEN SOME CHATTER BY SOME REPUBLICAN .

NOTE HE HAS CALLED FORTH THAT TO BE TOUCHED.

MARSHA BLACKBURN OF TENNESSEE DIRECTLY DID AND REPRESENTATIVE GENE SCHMIDT FROM CLERMONT COUNTY IN THE STATE HOUSE DIRECTLY CALLED FOR, MAYBE WE OUGHT TO REGULATE BIRTH-CONTROL NEXT TIME, IS WHAT SHE SAID.

AND I HAVE TALKED TO A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOMINALLY PRO-LIFE, BUT THEY GO, THERE IS TOO MUCH CRAZY GOING ON.

AND THEY DO NOT TRUST THIS GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

>> ALL RIGHT, THE WEIGHT AND HURRY UP.

OHIO REDISTRICTING PROCESS IS NOW MOVING QUICKLY TOWARD A RESOLUTION FOR THE NEXT ELECTION.

REPUBLICANS ON THE REDISTRICTING COMMITTEE UNVEILED THEIR MAPS THIS WEEK.

THE MAPS FOR OHIO HOUSE DISTRICT AND OHIO HOW SENATE DISTRICTS LOOK A LOT LIKE THE CURRENT MAPS.

THEY HEAVILY FAVOR REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES.

AND IN THEORY, WOULD MAINTAIN GOP SUPER MAJORITIES.

DEMOCRATS SAY THEY AGAIN FAILED TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE MAPS REFLECT OHIO'S PARTISAN MAKEUP.

REPUBLICANS SAY THEY DO REFLECT OHIO'S POLITICS AND THEY POINT OUT THAT GOVERNOR DeWINE WON OHIO WITH 60% OF THE VOTE LAST YEAR.

DO THEY HAVE A POINT?

GOVERNOR DeWINE WON 60% OF THE VOTE.

THIS IS A RED STATE.

>> THIS IS A NON-ISSUE IN THE SENSE THAT NO MATTER WHAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY DOES AND NO MATTER HOW IT GETS CHALLENGED, IT WILL BE APPROVED BY THE OHIO SUPREME COURT BY A 4-3 VOTE.

THIS IS JUST MORE OF THE SAME.

AND THEY WILL GET THROUGH IT AS QUICKLY AS THEY CAN AND WILL GO TO THE COURT PROCEEDINGS , AND THEN THESE DISTRICTS WILL BE AND WE WILL HAVE AN ELECTION USING THEM AND REPUBLICANS WILL HAVE SUPER MAJORITIES ONCE AGAIN.

THE REAL NEXT STEPS ON REDISTRICTING WOULD BE, IF INDEED WE HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT DOWN THE ROAD ON REDISTRICTING -- >> WHAT GOES ON BEHIND THE SCENES IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS AS THESE MAPS WERE LOOKING AGAIN AT THESE MAPS ARE PRESENTED IN AGAIN?

>> INCOME AND PROTECTION FOLLOWED BY NOT HAVING INCUMBENTS HAVE TO MOVE, FOLLOWED BY INCOME AND PROTECTION .

>> SO A LOT OF PHONE CALLS, EMAILS?

WELL MAYBE NOT A LOT OF EMAIL, JUST A LOT OF PHONE CALLS, RIGHT?

>> PROBABLY NOT.

JUST, WE WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU.

THAT IS ABOUT ALL THE CONVERSATION WILL BE.

DON'T WORRY, BOB, JIM, SUE, WHOMEVER.

WE WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU.

>> YOUR DISTRICT WILL NOT CHANGE MUCH.

YOU WILL NOT HAVE A TOUGH ELECTION?

>> TELL THE SPOUSE THAT YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO MOVE.

>> DEMOCRATS CALLING AS WELL?

I ASSUME IF YOU'RE A DEMOCRAT STATE SENATOR OR DEMOCRAT STATE REP THAT YOU HAVE ONE OF THESE DISTRICTS YOU CAN ARGUE HAS BEEN PACKED BUT YOU ARE SAFE, ARE YOU CALLING TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT?

THIS IS OKAY?

>> YES AND NO.

EVERY INCUMBENT LOVES TO HAVE A SAFE DISTRICT.

THAT'S REPUBLICAN INCUMBENT AND DEMOCRATIC INCUMBENTS.

BUT DEMOCRATS WOULD ALSO LIKE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE RELEVANT IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

AND THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD BE MORE RELEVANT IS IF THEY HAD MORE SEATS.

NOT A MAJORITY, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET A MAJORITY.

JUST MORE SEATS THAT ARE REALLY IN PLAY.

SO I THINK DEMOCRATS ARE A LITTLE CROSS PRESSURED.

I WAS INVOLVED IN A REDISTRICTING THING 15 YEARS AGO , AND I CAN TELL YOU, THERE WERE MANY DEMOCRATS WHO WERE SAYING, DON'T TOUCH MY DISTRICT.

WE WANT CHANGE, BUT PROTECT ME.

>> WELL I WAS AT A 4-IN-1 TIME, AND PATTY VERY, COGNIZANT OF THE TIME, AND JOYCE BEATTY, STILL A CONGRESS WOMAN, IF THEY WOULD SUPPORT REDISTRICTING REFORM IF IT MADE THE DISTRICT MORE CONTEMPT COMPETITIVE.

CONGRESSWOMAN BEATTY WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE HESITANT TO SAY YES, BECAUSE SHE IS NOT A VERY SAFE DISTRICT.

>> ANTI-CLIMATIC REALLY ONLY DRAMA WAS WHO WAS GOING TO BE THE REPUBLICAN COACH TEAR THE COMMISSION.

IT TURNED OUT TO BE KEITH FABER.

DOES THIS ADD TO THE EFFORTS TO CHANGE THIS PROCESS?

I EXPECT A GLAZE OVER AND IT HURT TO CHANGE THE PROCESS NEXT YEAR?

>> IF THEY HAD CALLED ME UP AND ASKED ME FOR MY OPINION, I WOULD'VE SAID, DO NOT GIVE -- DO NOT GIVE THE GERRYMANDERING FOLKS IN A AND YOU MISSION AND YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED TO DO.

DO NOT GIVE THEM SUCH LOPSIDED --DON'T DO SUCH LOPSIDED DISTRICTS THREE TAKE THE MORAL HIGH GROUND, TAKE A LITTLE MORE GOOD THUNDER.

.

HAVE CONFIDENCE IN YOUR MESSAGE, AND THE QUALITY OF YOUR CANDIDATES.

AND YOUR POLICY.

WHEN I WAS THERE, WE TOLD THE HOUSE OPERATIVE, WHAT IS OUR GOAL WITH THE REDISTRICTING?

HE SAID, I WANT 99 HOUSE SEATS WITH THE 53 INDEX .

THEY ARE WINNABLE BY A DEMOCRAT.

HE SAID, LOOK, WE HAVE BETTER CANDIDATES, BETTER POLICY AND I'VE EVERY CONFIDENCE THAT WE CAN TAKE THOSE SEEDS.

>> YOUR LEAVING ONE THING OUT.

WE HAVE MORE MONEY.

>> THAT'S RIGHT, MORE MONEY.

WE'LL SEE HOW THIS GOES.

ISSUE TWO ON NOVEMBER'S BALLOT, IF PASSED, WOULD CHANGE OHIO LAW TO RELY LEGALIZE RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA FOR ANYONE OVER THE AGE OF 21.

THE CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN PRETTY QUIET SO FAR.

THIS WEEK, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE CAME OUT AGAINST LEGAL MARIJUANA FOR FUN.

THE CHAMBER SAYS IT WOULD LEAD TO INCREASED ABSENTEEISM FOR EMPLOYERS AND ALSO HURT WORKPLACE SAFETY.

U.S.

SENATOR SHERROD BROWN WAS ASKED THIS WEEK IF YOU SUPPORTED REC LEGALIZING RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA.

HE SAID HE IS UNSURE PLEASE THAT HE HAS HEARD FROM SUPPORTERS AND CRITICS AND WILL DECIDE IN THE COMING WEEKS.

HE SAID HE DOES SUPPORT A CHANGE IN FEDERAL LAW TO ALLOW BANKS TO ACCEPT PROCEEDS FROM MARIJUANA BUSINESSES IN STATES WHERE IT IS LEGAL.

TRANSIT, WHAT WOULD IT MEAN TO THE PRO-LEGALIZATION OF THE MARIJUANA CAMPAIGN IF THE STATE'S TOP DEMOCRAT CAME OUT AGAINST IT?

>> IT WOULD BE VERY HARMFUL.

THAT WOULD BE USED BY ALL OF THE OPPONENTS.

LOOK, THE NUMBER ONE DEMOCRAT IN OHIO IS OPPOSING IT.

I THINK IT WILL BE A LOT OF PRESSURE ON HIM FROM THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LEGALIZE RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA.

I THINK HE'S MAKING A POLITICAL CALCULATION.

THEY ALL DO.

>> WHAT IS HE CONCERNED ABOUT?

>> IF HE LIKELY TO LOSE MORE VOTES BY SUPPORTING IT THAN NOT.

MY GUESS IS, BY THE TIME IS ON THE BALLOT IN 2024, IS NOT GOING TO MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS THIS NOVEMBER.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AUGUST 8th ELECTION .

CAMPUSES WERE NOT IN SESSION, STUDENTS WERE AT HOME OR WHATEVER.

NOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN ABORTION AMENDMENT AND A MARIJUANA AMENDMENT.

I SUSPECT --ALTHOUGH I DO NOT SEE THE ACTIVITY YET --WE ARE GOING TO HAVE UNBELIEVABLE TURN OHIO.

IT WILL BE OVERWHELMINGLY IN FAVOR OF REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS AND RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA.

AND WHEN YOU START THINKING ABOUT IT THAT WAY, YOU MIGHT THINK, IN THE LONG TERM MAYBE I REALLY SHOULD SUPPORT IT.

BECAUSE THESE ARE MY NATURAL SUPPORTERS ANYWAYS.

>> GENE, WHEN IT COMES TO WHO SUPPORTS LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA, IT KIND OF CROSSES PARTY LINES IN A LOT OF WAYS, BUT SHERROD BROWN NEEDS WORKING- CLASS FOLKS, FROM MAHONING COUNTY, NORTHEAST OHIO, TO SUPPORT HIM.

TO WIN RE-ELECTION.

DO THOSE FOLKS SUPPORT LEGALIZING MARIJUANA?

>> YES.

BROOKS DID AN INTERESTING ANALYSIS .

THE 2022 MARYLAND LEGALIZATION RESULT.

THE AREA THAT SUPPORTED LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA MORE THAN ALMOST ANY AREA OF MARYLAND WAS WHAT BORDERS WEST VIRGINIA.

I COULD NOT WIN A PRIMARY AND THAT PART OF MARYLAND, OKAY?

IT IS SO CONSERVATIVE.

BUT IT WOULD LIKE TO -1.

SO WHEN PEOPLE SAY, OU COUNTRYFOLK, YOU'RE NOT TO VOTE FOR THIS BECAUSE YOU ARE GOOD AND WHOLESOME, NO.

DON'T MAKE GENERALIZATIONS ABOUT WHY PEOPLE.

>> WHY DOES THAT KIND OF GO AGAINST THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM?

>> YOU KNOW HOW ONE PERSON THINKS, YOU KNOW HOW ONE PERSON THINKS.

PEOPLE CAN HAVE HEALTH ISSUES.

IT IS A VARIETY OF THINGS.

THE OTHER THING I DO WANT TO CLEAR UP, A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY THAT MARIJUANA IS THE GATEWAY DRUG.

THE GATEWAY DRUG, 90.95% OF THE TIME IS TOBACCO.

IT IS NOT MARIJUANA.

>> THE CHAMBER'S ARGUMENT THOUGH IF WE LEGALIZE IT, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE WORKERS WHO CANNOT PASS A DRUG TEST TO GET A JOB AND WE WILL HAVE MORE INJURIES ON THE JOB, THAT SOUNDS VERY LOGICAL ON THE FACE OF IT.

BUT WE FORGET, PEOPLE ARE ALREADY SMOKING.

THEY'RE SMOKING MARIJUANA.

IT IS NOT A RARE KIND OF THING.

AND IN SOME CASES, IN BUYING IT, THEY ARE SUPPORTING A LOT OF OTHER ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES.

SO SOME PEOPLE HAVE ARGUED, LET'S TRY TO TAKE THE CARTELS, LET'S TRY TO TAKE THE CRIMINALS OUT OF IT.

I AM NOT SURE WE WILL EVER REALLY COMPLETELY DO THAT, BUT I AGREE WITH GENE.

THERE ARE MANY MORE PEOPLE SMOKING MARIJUANA WHO WOULD NOT BE THE IMAGE OF WHO THE SMOKERS ARE.

IT IS NOT ALL JUST, YOU KNOW, WEST COAST HIPPIES WHO ARE SMOKING.

>> THE SUPPORTERS OF LEGALIZATION, THEIR CAMPAIGN IS, REGULATE MARIJUANA LIKE ALCOHOL.

IN WORKPLACES NOW DEAL WITH ALCOHOL RELATED ISSUE, INCLUDING ABSENTEEISM AND WORKPLACE SAFETY, SO THOSE ARGUMENTS ARE GOING TO BE COUNTER BY THE SUPPORTERS SAYING, LOOK, WORK PLACES HANDLE ALCOHOLIC AND HAD A LEGALIZE MARIJUANA.

>> MY BIG CONCERN, AND I HAVE BEEN SAYING IS ON THE SHOW NEVER BY DOZEN YEARS, IS THE CANDID VACATION OF MARIJUANA.

THAT IS THE ONLY THING.

GUMMIES, CANDY BARS, ALL OF THAT STUFF.

KIDS GETTING INTO THAT KNOW, ONE CANDY BAR APPARENTLY HAD LIKE 12 DIFFERENT SERVINGS IN IT, OKAY?

I AM HOPEFUL THAT THIS COULD BE REGULATED SUCH THAT THAT IS TOTALLY SUPPRESSED.

AND THAT IS MY HOPE .

>> THERE HAS TO BE GOOD PRODUCT LABELING, OTHERWISE, THERE WILL BE SO MANY UNINTENTIONAL CONSEQUENCES.

THE FUNNIEST STORY SOME YEARS AGO WAS MAUREEN DOWD.

>> YES POINT SHE RECALLED ABOUT IT.

>> PURPLE DINOSAURS WERE CALLING OLIVER.

>> SHE WOULD TO COLORADO, BOUGHT A BROWNIE, ATE THE BROWNIE, AND WAS REALLY JUST OUT OF IT IN A COUPLE OF DAYS.

SHE SAID, I DID NOT KNOW.

I HAD FRIENDS WHO SPOKE AND SAID, DOESN'T SHE KNOW THAT A BROWNIE IS MOSTLY USED OVER 12 DIFFERENT SESSIONS ?

I SAID, I DID NOT KNOW THAT IF I HAD BEEN GIVEN A BROWNIE, I WOULD SAY, THAT'S GOOD.

LET ME HAVE ANOTHER ONE.

>> WERE YOU SURPRISED THAT THE CHAMBER CAME OUT AGAINST THIS?

BECAUSE THERE IS MONEY TO BE MADE HERE.

ARE THERE NOT MARIJUANA RETAILERS THAT ARE PROUD CHAMBER OF COMMERCE MEMBERS?

>> OF COURSE.

>> WELL, NOT YET.

BUT IT GOES BACK TO --LOOK, THEIR CONCERNS ARE LEGITIMATE , I BELIEVE, AS FAR AS WORKPLACE SAFETY.

I CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND , BUT THIS IS WHY AS THIS THING PROCEEDS TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, I THINK WE WILL HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY TO DRAFT -- BASICALLY, FOR THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, THEIR HR RULE CAN BE DRAFTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

NORMALLY HR RULES ARE DRAFTED BASED UPON THE LAW.

HERE, THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE LAW DRAFTED AS THEIR HR.

>> ASKED THE MARINES DAD ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR COLLEGE LEGISLATURE, ACTUALLY ACTIVE ESTROGEN PRODUCT LABELING LAWS BUT TO OUR LAST TOPIC.

OHIO'S FRACKING INDUSTRY IS NEARLY 10 YEARS OLD.

IT HAS BROUGHT REVENUE TO OIL AND GAS PRODUCERS, TO LANDOWNERS WHO HAVE LEASED THEIR LAND FOR DRILLING, AND TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

MAINLY EASTER NO HIGHER OHIO.

RURAL ROADS, INCREASED NOISE AND QUITE SETTINGS, AND IT NOW ENTERS A NEW PHASE.

THE STATE IS IN THE PROCESS OF APPROVING DRILLING LEASES UNDER STATE OWNED LAND, IN PARTICULAR, UNDER STATE PARKS.

FULL PORT STATE PARK IS A PRIME SITE.

IT IS HUGE.

AND IT IS SURROUNDED BY A VERY PRODUCTIVE WELLS ON PRIVATE LAND.

DRILLERS NOW WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT IS UNDER THE STATE PARK.

GENE KREBS, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF FRACKING?

HAS IT BEEN GOOD FOR OHIO?

WHAT IS GOING ON?

>> YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR VARIATIONS THREE BEFORE THE SHOW, I SAID THIS.

THERE IS NO PRETTY WAY TO MAKE ELECTRONS.

THERE IS NO PRETTY WAY TO MAKE GASOLINE OR OTHER FUEL OR NATURAL GAS.

AND UNLESS YOU ARE HONEST, AGAIN TO MY 18 AMISH BY HERITAGE --UNLESS YOU ARE AMISH, YOU HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IF YOU WANT TO DRIVE A CAR, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME AMOUNT OF THIS GOING ON.

THE QUESTION IS, HOW UGLY DO YOU WANT TO HAVE IT BE?

CAN YOU MAKE AS PRETTY AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN?

AS LONG AS THEY STAY OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND , YOU DON'T SEE THEM, DO THEY REALLY EXIST, TYPE OF THING .

IT IS GOING TO BE UP TO, HOW STRICT WILL THE STATE BE UNDER REGULATIONS AS FAR AS VISUALIZATION?

WILL IT SHOW UP IN THE VIEW SHED AT THE STATE PARKS?

>> AND NOT JUST THE VISUAL THINGS.

THINGS CAN GO WRONG AND PIPES CAN EXPLODE AND ALL OF THAT.

SO THE QUESTION REALLY BECOMES, HOW SOUND IS THE SCIENCE?

HOW SEVERE OR HOW STRICT WILL THE STATE REGULATION BE?

OHIO'S RECORD OF REGULATION IS A VERY MIXED RECORD.

SO THE QUESTION BECOMES, WHO WILL BE ABLE TO SAY TO THE ENERGY INDUSTRY, NO, THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE.

OR, THERE IS TOO MANY WELLS.

AND I THINK PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS HAVE A LEGITIMATE CONCERN.

MANY YEARS AGO, WHEN FRACKING FIRST STARTED, OHIO STATE HAD AT THE TIME THE COOPERATIVE EXTENSION SERVICE, NOW CALLED OHIO EXTENSION , PAID FOR BY THE STATE IN PART AND BY COUNTIES.

AND THEY DECIDED THEY WERE GOING TO HELP SMALL FARMERS UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS TO START NEGOTIATING WITH MAJOR OIL COMPANIES, ENERGY COMPANIES FROM TEXAS , SO THEY DO NOT GIVE AWAY THEIR PROPERTY FOR NOTHING.

AND I THINK THAT WAS A WONDERFUL PUBLIC SERVICE TO PERFORM.

WE GOT A LOT OF BLOWBACK.

WHY ARE YOU EMPOWERING THESE FARMERS TO ASK US THE QUESTION ?

>> WHO GAVE YOU THE BLOWBACK?

LAWMAKERS ?

>> SOME STATE LAWMAKERS AND THE ENERGY INDUSTRY TO THE MINISTRATION AND TO THE LAWMAKERS.

LUCKILY, MANY OF THE LAWMAKERS SAID, NO, THIS IS WHAT WE PAY THE EXTENSION SERVICE TO DO.

>> DRILLING UNDER STATE PARKS.

YOU MENTIONED THE VIEW MIGHT BE DISTURBED.

I MEAN, WE HAVE NOT HAD A HUGE ACCIDENT.

WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE BIG ONE, LIKE THE METHANE LEAK AND THERE WAS AN EVACUATION NOT TOO LONG AGO.

THERE IS A HUGE SPILL THAT WE KNOW OF.

10 YEARS, KNOCK ON WHATEVER THIS IS.

WHY NOT DRILL UNDER THE STATE PARK?

>> WELL, YOU CAN, AND YOU SHOULD, BUT TWO THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND, ONE CHICK, ONCE AGAIN, THERE IS NO PRETTY WAY TO DO THIS.

IT IS GOING TO BE NOISY, BUT -- I CAN GET UP AT A REALLY HIGH MORAL HORSE ON THIS.

I PLANTED 10,000 TREES BY HAND EVERY WEEK TO QUESTER ENOUGH CARBON FOR 147 FAMILIES, OKAY?

BUT IF YOU TAKE ONE AIRLINE TRIP ANYWHERE , YOU HAVE BLOWN YOUR WHOLE CARBON BUDGET.

RIGHT THERE.

SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT FRACKING, DO NOT DRIVE A CAR TO THE PROTEST.

DO NOT TAKE A PLANE TO THE CONFERENCE.

ONCE AGAIN, THERE IS NO PRETTY WAY TO MAKE -- >> NOBODY IS A PURIST.

NOBODY HAS A ZERO CARBON FOOTPRINT.

YOU CAN COMPLAIN ABOUT FRACKING AND STILL DRIVE YOUR CAR TO GET PLANE OR WHATEVER.

THE REAL QUESTION IS, WHY DO WE NEED TO FRACK IN STATE PARKS?

HAVE THEY RUN OUT OF ALL THE OTHER SITES?

I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE ROADSIDE STRIPS AND ALL OF THAT, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ROLE THAT STATE PARKS PLAY FOR THE CITIZENS OF OHIO?

>> WE WILL HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE AND GET TO OUR FINAL OFF THE RECORD PARTY SHOTS.

GENE KREBS, WE WILL LET YOU GO FIRST.

>> IT IS GOING TO BE VERY APPARENT THAT THE GOP IS GOING TO NEED RANKED CHOICE VOTING SOON.

I HAVE HAD TWO SOURCES CONFIRM TO ME THAT VIVEK RAMASWAMY HAS A PLAN B IF HIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN IMPLODES.

HE IS GOING TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR.

THAT MAKES FOUR CANDIDATES.

AND I HAVE BEEN TOLD OF A PROMINENT BUSINESS PERSON AND ESTATE WAS GOING TO THROW HIS HAT IN THE RING.

THAT MAKES FIVE.

THE WINNER COULD GET 22% .

>> AND YOU ARE PROPONENT, ONE OF THE LEADERS?

>> I AM VERY MUCH A PROPONENT.

THIS IS A PRIMARY SAMPLE WHY.

>> HERB?

>> IT IS THE REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS AMENDED PASSIVE, WHICH ETIQUETTE WILL, WE WILL SEE MANY MORE AMENDMENTS.

AND NOT JUST ON REDISTRICTING.

WE WILL SEE SOME PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT, LET'S PUT IT TO THE CONSTITUTION GUN SAFETY PROPOSALS.

IT REALLY SHOULD NOT BE IN THE CONSTITUTION.

SHOULD BE IN STATE LAW.

BUT THE LEGISLATURE GOES IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.

THERE IS SO MANY THINGS THAT THE LEGISLATURE IS ALMOST INVITING PEOPLE TO GO THE CONSTITUTIONAL ROUTE.

>> MY OFF THE RECORD, IS OF COURSE THAT HERB IS NOT WEARING A TIE, I AM NOT WEARING A TIE, BUT GENE IS.

HE IS A REPUBLICAN.

HAVE TO WEAR A TIE.

WE ARE GOING BY THE WAY OF U.S. SENATE.

SENATOR FADIMAN NEXT TIME WILL WEAR HOODIES ON THE SET.

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