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TED: COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," WHAT THE WAR IN IRAN MEANS FOR U.S.

OIL AND FUEL INVENTORIES?

>>> ALSO TONIGHT, THE IMPACT OF ASPHALT ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND HUMAN HEALTH.

>>> AND A NONSURGICAL ALTERNATIVE FOR TREATING DOGS WITH TORN LIGAMENTS.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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TED: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S ESTIMATED THAT THE U.S.

HAS ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF SUPPLY OF CRUDE OIL WITH ANALYSTS SAYING THE COUNTRY COULD TAP INTO CRUDE OIL RESERVES AND LIMIT EXPERTS IF THAT SUPPLY GETS NEAR PANIC STAGE.

WE'RE HEADED FOR THAT STAGE AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR GAS AND FUEL PRICES, NOT TO MENTION THE AUTO AND AIRLINE INDUSTRIES?

JOINING US IS DALE ROGERS FROM ASU W.P.

CAREY SCHOOL OF BUSINESS.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU, TED.

TED: 50 DAYS SOUND ABOUT RIGHT TO YOU?

>> 50 DAYS.

I WOULD SAY AROUND JULY 1.

WE'RE ALREADY IN A DEFICIT, WE'RE NOT IN A SHORTAGE LIKE A LOT OF ASIA AND THE POORER COUNTRIES ARE IN A SHORTAGE ALREADY, BUT IF NOTHING CHANGES, WE'LL BE AT SHORTAGE LEVEL SOMETIME AROUND THE BEGINNING OF JULY.

>> I SAW IT DESCRIBED SOMEWHERE AS A SUPPLY SHOCK, SOUND RIGHT TO YOU?

>> TAKE 20% OF GLOBAL PRODUCTION OUT.

AND WE THINK THIS IS GOING TO GET OVER QUICKLY AND I'M NOT SURE WHY WE THINK THAT.

YOU KNOW, THE RED SEA HAS BEEN CLOSED FOR A COUPLE YEARS.

THE HOUTHIS WERE MESSING IT UP DOWN THERE, HAVEN'T ATTACKED ANYBODY SINCE SEPTEMBER, AND THEY'RE NOT AS RICH AS THE IRANIANS, AND FOR SOME REASON WE THINK THIS STRAIT OF HORMUZ IS GOING TO GET OVER FAST.

I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WOULD.

TED: SO OVERSUPPLY, IS THE OVERSUPPLY DWINDLING?

ARE THE BUFFERS GONE?

>> THE RESERVES ARE DRAINED DOWN.

SO SOME COUNTRIES DON'T HAVE IT.

BIG RESERVES OR ANY RESERVES AT ALL.

THE LARGEST RESERVES ON THE PLANET ARE CHINA, THEY SEEM TO BE FINE.

WE THOUGHT BECAUSE WE WERE A NET OIL EXPORTER THE LAST YEAR OR SO THAT WE COULD DRAIN THE RESERVES DOWN AND SELL SOME OF THAT CAPACITY OFF, AND THAT SEEMED LIKE A BAD DECISION NOW.

TED: SO THE SUPPLY IS BEING DRAWN DOWN, CORRECT?

>> YES.

TED: OKAY.

IS IT LIKELY TO HAPPEN -- LET'S SAY TOMORROW, LET'S SAY TODAY, LET'S SAY RIGHT NOW, THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ IS OPEN AND EVERYONE IS HAPPY.

HOW LONG BEFORE WE STOP HAVING TO DRAW FROM THE SUPPLIES?

>> REMEMBERING COVID AND HOW LONG IT TOOK TO TURN THE FAUCETS BACK ON.

REMEMBER, IT WAS REALLY, REALLY LONG.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT FOUR MONTHS, FIVE MONTHS.

TED: REALLY?

>> TO REALLY GET THINGS BACK TO NORMAL, AND SOME STUFF IT'S GOING TO TAKE LONGER.

TED: WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR OIL?

START WITH GAS PRICES, WITH THE PUMPS, WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

>> I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING BACK TO $3 A GALLON ANY TIME SOON.

I WISH WE WERE, BUT IT'S LIKELY THAT THE PRICE IS GOING TO BE HIGHER, AND LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENED IN CALIFORNIA, PRICES ARE $7, $8 AROUND L.A.

YOU KNOW BECAUSE OF THE JONES ACT, I DON'T HAVE TO TELL THE STORY ABOUT THAT, BUT IT GOVERNS WHERE A SHIP CAN COME FROM.

CALIFORNIA GETS THEIR OIL MOSTLY FROM ASIA, AND THAT OIL IS MORE EXPENSIVE.

TED: ISN'T THAT INTERESTING?

SO, OIL PRICES, GAS PRICES, HOW DOES THAT TRANSLATE TO THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY AND JET FUEL PRICES?

>> WELL, THE CRAZY THING IS EVEN THOUGH JET FUEL IS REFINED LESS THAN GASOLINE, THE PRICE OF IT IS ALWAYS WAY HIGHER.

SAME WITH DIESEL THE LAST SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS, SAME THING.

SO IF YOU'RE PLANNING A VACATION TO EUROPE THIS SUMMER, YOU SHOULD GET YOUR TICKETS SOON BECAUSE THAT JET FUEL IS GETTING VERY EXPENSIVE.

THE OTHER PROBLEM IS, TED, THAT WE HAVE JET FUEL RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE'S SOME PLACES THAT DON'T HAVE AS MUCH, AND IF YOU TAKE A PLANE TO VIETNAM, YOU WANT TO GET BACK HOME.

TED: YEAH, AND THE PRICES OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE DIFFERENT BETWEEN HERE AND THERE.

>> YEAH.

TED: ALL THIS IS HAPPENING AND WALL STREET IS HUMMING RIGHT ALONG.

IS THERE A DISCONNECT THERE?

WHY IS THAT HAPPENING?

>> I THINK THERE IS A DISCONNECT.

I THINK THEY BELIEVE THAT WE'RE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AWAY FROM EVERYTHING BEING OVER.

ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT SUPPLY CHAIN GUYS ALWAYS THINK ABOUT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE IN A COMPANY AND FORECASTING SALES, THE MARKETING GUYS, NOT TO BE MEAN TO THE MARKETING GUYS, THEY'LL TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF DOLLARS WE'RE GOING TO SELL OR THE SUPPLY CHAIN GUYS ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MANY BLUE ONES AND RED ONES WE NEED IN PHOENIX.

SO THE OVERALL NUMBERS SEEM FINE TO WALL STREET AND THE FINANCIAL FOLKS, BUT WHEN WE FOCUS ON THE ACTUAL PRODUCTS, THAT'S A BIGGER ISSUE.

TED: BUT EVEN, IF IT OPENS UP TODAY AND WE HAVE THREE, FOUR MONTHS OF THIS TO GO, IS THERE A RECKONING DOWN THE ROAD IN TERMS OF ALL MARKETS?

WALL STREET INCLUDED?

>> YEAH, THINK ABOUT OUR DISCUSSIONS BEFORE WHEN IT CAME TO THE TARIFFS, WHICH GOT PUT ON THE FIRST TIME APRIL 2.

WE KNEW THEY WERE COMING BUT APRIL 2, LIBERATION DAY, AND THE EFFECT OF THE TARIFFS REALLY HASN'T GONE ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE SUPPLY CHAIN, I BELIEVE, BECAUSE YOU HAD THAT STUFF UPSTREAM, AND I THOUGHT FOR A LONG TIME IT WAS JUNE AND JULY OF THIS YEAR, THAT WE REALLY SEE THE IMPACT OF THOSE TARIFFS UPSTREAM, AND SO THERE'S A LONG LEAD TIME BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING UPSTREAM WAY BEFORE IT GETS TO GDP.

TED: THE LEAD TIME FOR ELECTRICITY, FOR FOOD, FOR CONSUMER GOODS, I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS AFFECTED IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM FROM OIL.

>> PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING, ANY PRODUCT WE BUY PETROLEUM IS IN THAT, AND THEN IT'S IN EVEN FOOD AND STUFF WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TRANSPORTATION COSTS.

TED: SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS LIKELY WILL INCREASE BEFORE THEY -- >> THEY HAVE BEEN INCREASING, BUT THERE'S LIKE A DELAY.

TED: RIGHT.

>> SO EVEN AFTER THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ IS OPEN, IF IT IS AGAIN, WE'LL SEE A CONTINUED INCREASE.

NOW THE WAY SUPPLY CHAINS WORK IS THERE'S SOME LARGE ENTITIES SITTING RIGHT BEFORE THE CONSUMER LIKE AMAZON AND WALMART THAT WILL SAY NO, YOU'RE NOT -- WE'RE NOT GOING TO EAT WHATEVER YOU SAY, AND THERE'S ENOUGH VOLUME, THEY CAN STOP IT.

WHO REALLY GETS HURT ARE THE DOWNSTREAM SMALL AND MEDIUM SIZE ENTERPRISES AND THE UPSTREAM ONES AS WELL.

TED: LAST QUESTION, WILL AUTOMAKERS, AUTO DEALERS, CAR BUYERS, ARE THEY GOING TO GET HURT?

>> YES.

YOU CAN ALREADY SEE.

WE'VE HAD A SHORTAGE ON RARE EARTH BECAUSE CHINA CONTROLS MOST OF THEM, AND JUST TO MAKE A CAR DOOR, YOU NEED THE MAGNETS OF THE RARE EARTH.

SO THE AUTO COMPANIES KEEP GETTING HIT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

THIS IS A TOUGH TIME TO BE A CAR COMPANY.

TED: INTERESTING.

DALE ROGERS, W.P.

CAREY SCHOOL OF BUSINESS, OUR SUPPLY CHAIN GURU, GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU.

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TED: PAVEMENT IS EVERYWHERE IN THE VALLEY, WITH ROADS, PARKING LOTS AND OTHER PAVED SURFACES COVERING 40% OF THE METRO PHOENIX AREA, BUT WHAT IS THE HEALTH IMPACT OF ALL THIS ASPHALT?

TO LEARN MORE, WE WELCOME ELLIE FINI FROM ASU'S SCHOOL OF SUSTAINABLE ENGINEERING AND BUILT ENVIRONMENT.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

TED: YOUR STUDY LOOKS AT THE IMPACT OF ASPHALT ON HUMAN HEALTH, AND NOT TALKING ABOUT SKINNING YOUR KNEE OR FALLING DOWN ON THE HOT PAVEMENT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE AIR?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

ACTUALLY IN CITIES LIKE PHOENIX, WHICH IS HOT AND SUNNY, OR DALLAS OR LOS ANGELES, WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF COVERED SURFACES, THE ASPHALT IS PART OF OUR ROAD AND PART OF OUR AIR THAT WE BREATHE.

TED: SAY THAT THE ASPHALT IN THE PHOENIX AREA, DOES THAT AFFECT OUR HEALTH MORE THAN EVEN THE URBAN HEAT ISLAND EFFECT WOULD, DO YOU THINK?

>> THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION, AND I THINK HEAT HAS TO BE TAKEN AS SERIOUS AS ANYTHING ELSE, BUT HERE, THE SYNERGY, THE HEAT INCREASED THE SURFACES, AND IT'S NONLINEAR, YOU EXPECT MUCH MORE INCREASE IN EMISSION.

TED: AND JUST THE FACT THAT ASPHALT HAS EMISSIONS, THAT ASPHALT IS BREAKING DOWN, AND WHAT, JUST SHOOTING STUFF UP IN THE AIR?

HOW DOES THAT WORK?

>> WELL, YOU CAN IMAGINE WHEN YOU HEAT YOUR FOOD IN THE MICROWAVE, IT SMELL MORE THAN IN THE FRIDGE.

SO WHEN ASPHALT AND MANY MORE MATERIALS GET HOT, THEY START OFFGASSING, RELEASING MOLECULES MORE AND MORE.

SO YOU CAN SMELL IT MORE.

WHEN YOU SMELL SOMETHING, THAT MEANS MOLECULES ARE GETTING TO YOUR NOSE, THAT'S HOW YOU END UP SMELLING IT.

ABSOLUTELY, ASPHALT IS RELEASING MOLECULES THAT BELONG TO ASPHALT AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO STAY THERE.

TED: THIS IS LIKE STICKY STUFF, PETROLEUM BYPRODUCT KIND OF THINGS?

>> ASPHALT IS BOTTOM OF THE BARREL.

WHEN YOU GET JET FUEL, GASOLINE AND OTHER THINGS, THE END PRODUCT IS USED TO BIND THE AGGREGATE AND MAKE OUR ROADS, WHICH GIVES YOU THE SMOOTH RIDE, QUIET, BLACK DIAMOND OF MODERN LIFE.

TED: IS IT LIKE BITTERMIN KEEPS IT AND BREAKS IT DOWN, AM I GETTING IT RIGHT?

>> IT MAY NOT BE ACTUALLY BREAK DOWN, BUT IT RELEASES THE MOLECULES THAT IS SUPPOSED TO KEEP ITS HEALTH, REDUCES HEALTH AND LIFE, MUCH LIKE IF YOU GET DEHYDRATED.

IF YOU GET HOT AND HOT AND DEHYDRATED, IT HURTS YOU.

IF ASPHALT IS LOSING MOLECULES, IT HURTS ASPHALT, IT LOSES LIFE.

TED: SO BASICALLY IT'S LOSING ITS LIFE BUT ALSO SPREADING THINGS INTO THE ATMOSPHERE, IT'S NOT GOOD FOR OUR LIVES.

>> ASPHALT, YOU DON'T WANT THE AROMA AND SCENT, THE FRESH SCENT OF ASPHALT, BUT BETTER IF THE MOLECULES STAY WHERE THEY BELONG.

TED: YES, YES, THEY FORM PARTICLES.

ULTRAFINE PARTICLES, STUFF WE'RE BREATHING IN?

>> THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT CHEMICAL, CHEMICAL IN MOTION.

WHEN THE MOLECULES COME OUT AT 3:00 P.M.

OR 2:00 P.M., IT'S HOT AND YOU SMELL THE MOLECULES, WHEN YOU GO TO SLEEP, THE MOLECULES DON'T GO TO SLEEP, THEY ARE EVOLVING AND CHANGING TO OTHER THINGS INCLUDING ULTRAFINE PARTICLES.

WE DID A STUDY OF FORMATION OF PARTICLES OUT OF THE EMISSIONS.

TED: DOES IT GET WORSE AS PAVEMENT AGES?

>> DIFFERENT MOLECULES COMES OUT AS AGING CONTINUES.

SO AGED ASPHALT HAS A DIFFERENT OFFGASSING THAN FRESH ASPHALT.

TED: OKAY, BUT ARE WE TALKING TOXIC STUFF HERE?

>> SOME OF THE MOLECULES ARE NOT GOOD FOR OUR HEALTH, AND WE ARE STILL WORKING WITH MAYO CLINIC.

THIS IS A GLOBAL RESEARCH, WE HAVE FRANCE AS OUR PARTNER.

IT'S FUNDED BY THE U.S.

DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY SHOWS THE GLOBAL AND LOCAL IMPACT OF IT, AND WE ARE LOOKING AT HEALTH IMPACTS AND HOW MUCH IT IMPACTS OUR HEALTH?

BUT THE GOOD NEWS ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE ARE SOLUTIONS THAT ARE EMERGING, AND IT JUST TAKES PEOPLE ASKING FOR IT TO GET TO OUR STREETS.

>> AND I WANT TO GET TO THE SOLUTIONS IN A SECOND.

I'M SEEING LUNG CANCER RISKS.

I'M SEEING MAYBE NEUROLOGICAL DAMAGE?

POSSIBLE?

>> THOSE MOLECULES, IF THEY ARE INHALED IN EXCESS, IT COULD CAUSE SIGNIFICANT DAMAGES, AND IT VARIES FROM A SMALL HEADACHE TO ALL THE NEUROLOGICAL IMPACTS.

TED: AND YOU'RE STUDYING DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET AROUND THIS AND, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT ONE OF THE STUDIES INVOLVES ALGAE?

>> YES, AND ALGAE HAS BEEN THE MOST PROMISING MAGNET FOR THE MOLECULES.

WE FOUND YOU CAN BE SELECTIVE WITH ALGAE TO DESIGN AND ABSORB THAT KEEPS THE TOXIC ONE IN SO WE END UP HAVE BE THE ALGAE PRODUCT.

WE GROW IT ON THE WASTE WATER TREATMENT FACILITY, THE ALGAE AND IT IS ABSORBENT.

WE CAN REDUCE EMISSION BY 40% BUT THE TOXICITY WAS REDUCED TENFOLD.

IF YOU TARGET THE TOXIC ELEMENT, NOT EVERYTHING, THEN YOU CAN REDUCE IT SIGNIFICANTLY.

TED: THIS IS ALGAE FROM WASTE WATER, THAT'S A GOOD THING, USING WASTE WATER FOR SOMETHING ELSE HERE, AND THE ALGAE BINDS THE STUFF TOGETHER AT A BETTER RATE THAN WHAT'S BEING USED RIGHT NOW?

>> ALGAE WILL BE MORE OF A SUPPLEMENT.

TED: OKAY.

>> SO THE SUPPLEMENT WILL WORK IN A WAY THAT IT TARGETS THE MOLECULES.

IF IT GETS HOT, THEY LEAVE BECAUSE THEY ARE VOLATILE OR SEMI VOLATILE, AND WHAT IT DOES, IT HAS MULTIPLE FUNCTIONAL ACTIVITIES THAT GRAB THEM AND KEEP THEM WHERE THEY BELONG.

YOU ADD THE SUPPLEMENT ON TOP OF THE ASPHALT.

TED: OKAY, OKAY.

LAST QUESTION, HOW FAR ALONG ARE THE NEW IDEAS TO KEEP ASPHALT FROM BEING SUCH A HEALTH CONCERN?

>> SOLUTIONS ARE EMERGING.

I THINK WHAT TAKES THIS BE TO PART OF OUR STREET IS ACTUALLY PEOPLE ASKING FOR IT.

STARTING FROM THE DRIVEWAY TO YOUR ROOF TO YOUR PLAYGROUND AND TENNIS COURT, ASK FOR IT AND THEN WE GET TO THE STREETS AND HIGHWAYS.

TED: IT'S PRICEY.

NEW STUFF IS ALWAYS PRICEY.

IS THIS PRICEY?

>> THIS IS NOT PRICEY.

THE MAIN BARRIER FOR APPLICATION IS THE PUBLIC AWARENESS, AND LOCAL LEADERS AND CITY LEADERS UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WANT LOW-EMISSION OPTIONS.

LOW-EMISSION ASPHALT IS THE RIDE QUALITY, SMOOTH AND PLEASANT WITH NO EMISSIONS.

TED: ELLIE FINI FROM ASU SCHOOL OF SUSTAINABLE ENGINEERING AND THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

TED: YOU BET.

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TED: A PET CLINIC IN SCOTTSDALE IS OFFERING A NONSURGICAL ALTERNATIVE FOR TREATING DOGS WITH TORN LIGAMENTS AND OTHER ISSUES.

IT INVOLVES CUSTOM ORTHOTIC BRACES.

JOINING US IS DAVE VOWELS AND BARB SPRUCK WITH HER DOG ZIGGY, WHO IS HAVING -- HOW OLD IS ZIGGY?

>> HE'S 14.

TED: 14, AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME HE'S STOPPED MOVING SINCE HE'S BEEN HERE.

>> YES.

TED: DAVE, START WITH YOU, PET ORTHO BRACES.

>> WE MAKE CUSTOM BRACES FOR DOGS, WE'VE DONE HORSES, PIGS, EVERYTHING, THESE ARE CUSTOM MADE FOR THE DOG FOR ORTHOPEDIC SITUATIONS, TORN LIGAMENTS, FRACTURED BONES, ANY OF THE SORT.

TED: TORN LIGAMENTS WOULD BE THE HIND LEGS, ONE OR TWO?

>> NOT JUST THE HIND LEGS BUT TEAR THE FRONT LEGS, WE SEE A LOT OF CARPAL INJURIES AS WELL.

TED: THEY TEAR OFTEN?

>> FAIRLY OFTEN.

I WAS FAIRLY SURPRISED WHEN I STARTED THE COMPANY HOW BUSY WE WOULD BE WITH THIS.

TED: SO WHAT'S USUALLY INVOLVED WITH SURGERY?

WE'LL START WITH THAT AND THEN GET TO -- >> YEAH, SURGERY IS PRETTY INVOLVED.

IT'S A TIBIAL PLATEAU LEVELING OSTEOTOMY, THEY WILL CUT THE BONE, REPOSITION IT, PUT A PLATE AND SCREWS IN AND MAKE IT BIOMECHANICALLY MORE STABLE AND WAIT FOR SCAR TISSUE TO HEAL AND MAKE IT COMPLETELY STABLE JUST FROM AN INTERNAL PERSPECTIVE, AND WE DO IT EXTERNALLY.

TED: YEAH, AND WHAT ARE WE WATCHING HERE?

>> THIS IS JUST THE EVALUATION PART -- I'M SORRY, THIS IS AN APPLICATION, WE'VE MADE THE BRACE AND WE'RE GOING TO FIT IT AND INSTRUCT THE PATIENTS, THE OWNER, ON HOW TO PROPERLY APPLY THE BRACE.

JUST PUTTING A SOCK ON HERE TO COMPRESS THE FUR, SOMETIMES IT WILL GET TANGLED IN THE VELCRO STRAPS.

TED: AND THE BRACE ITSELF AS WE HAVE ON THE TABLE, THE BRACE STAYS ON 24/7?

>> NO.

TED: IT DOES NOT?

INTERESTING.

>> WE HAVE THEM TAKE IT OFF AT NIGHT.

THEY ARE NONWEIGHT BEARING AT NIGHT.

MOST OF THESE ARE WEIGHT BEARING BRACES.

TED: BARB, AS FAR AS ZIGGY IS CONCERNED, HOW LONG HAS HE HAD THE BRACE?

>> NINE MONTHS, BUT USED IT MOST OF THE TIME FOR THE FIRST FOUR MONTHS.

HE CAN GO WITHOUT IT BUT I USE IT ON WALKS.

TED: YEAH, THE INITIAL RECOVERY PERIOD, WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?

>> WELL, HE'S 14 AND STILL PRETTY ACTIVE AND HE ACTUALLY HAD A TPLO SURGERY ON THE OTHER LEG.

TED: COMPARE THE TWO?

>> THE SURGERY WAS GREAT, IT WORKED, IT'S JUST THE RECOVERY IS VERY LONG AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR THE DOG, IT'S FOR THE HUMAN.

SO IT'S HARD TO KEEP A DOG CALM FOR THAT MANY MONTHS, SO HAVING THE BRACE IMMEDIATELY ONCE WE PUT IT ON, HE COULD START WALKING AND GOT USED TO IT PRETTY QUICKLY.

TED: AND AGAIN, BUILDING SCAR TISSUE IS THE GOAL, JUST LIKE SURGERY, CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

EVEN IN SURGERY, I WANT TO MAKE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR, WE'RE NOT ANTI-SURGERY, WE'RE HERE FOR THE FOLKS THAT CAN'T AFFORD IT OR DON'T WANT TO DO IT, WE RELY ON THE SCAR TISSUE TO HEAL AND TIGHTEN EVERYTHING UP BUT THE SURGEON IS BIOMECHANICALLY CHANGING THINGS.

>> TALK ABOUT TREATMENT PERIOD, COMPARED TO SURGERY?

VERY CLOSE.

SURGERY, THEY USUALLY TELL CLIENTS ABOUT 12 TO 14 WEEKS AND WE'RE 16 WEEKS.

WE LIKE TO GO A LITTLE LONGER, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS STABLE BEFORE WE DISCHARGE THEM.

THE BRACES ARE NOT LIFETIME.

THEY WEAN OUT OF THE BRACES BEFORE THEY ARE HEALED.

>> AND THE DOGS TAKE TO THEM?

>> YEAH, REALLY WELL.

TED: AMAZING, I WOULD BE SCRATCHING.

OTHER ANIMALS, HORSES?

PIGS?

>> YEAH.

WE BUILT A CUSTOM BRACE FOR A 900 POUND DONKEY.

WE DID TWO FRONT LEG BRACES FOR A MINIATURE PONY THAT HAD AN ORTHOPEDIC ISSUE WHERE THE LIMBS WERE WINDSWEPT.

WE DID A CUSTOM WHEELCHAIR FOR A POT BELLY PIG.

TED: WHAT GOT YOU STARTED IN ALL THIS?

>> I'M A CPO, I WENT TO MED SCHOOL AT UW IN SEATTLE.

I TREATED HUMANS FOR OVER 20 YEARS, AND MY WIFE AND I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SELL THAT COMPANY, AND I SWITCHED OVER TO THE ANIMAL SIDE.

WE TAKE EVERYTHING WE LEARNED RIGHT TO THE ANIMAL SIDE.

TED: VERY GOOD.

BARB, YOU DECIDED TO GO THIS DIRECTION, DID YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT IT?

>> I DIDN'T HAVE CONCERNS FOR ME.

IT WAS JUST HE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SURGERY THIS TIME AROUND JUST GIVEN HIS AGE AND OTHER HEALTH ISSUES, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE AND I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IT.

HE TOOK TO IT RIGHT AWAY.

IT WAS PRETTY EASY.

TED: HE'S CERTAINLY ENJOYING LIFE RIGHT NOW.

>> HE IS.

TED: HE'S HAVING A BALL HERE.

ALL RIGHT, ZIGGY, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

BARB, THANK YOU, TOO.

>> THANK YOU.

TED: AND DAVE AS WELL.

THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US.

THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.