COMING UP TONIGHT: NEW YORK HAS A HOUSING CRISIS ON ITS HANDS BUT A NEW HOUSING COMPLEX IN OSWEGO IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

WE'LL VISIT ONEIDA COUNTY'S 14 MILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT -- IT'S THE LARGEST DRONE TESTING FACILITY IN THE NATION.

AND WE SPOTLIGHT ONONDAGA COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY BILL FITZPATRICK.

WE'LL TALK CRIME BUT ALSO THE FINANCIAL COSTS OF CRIME IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THE DA DOESN'T HOLD BACK - AND ON THE MONEY BEGINS RIGHT NOW.

>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ON THE MONEY, WCNY'S NEW FINANCIAL AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM - THINK OF IT AS YOUR LOCAL FINANCIAL NEWS PROGRAM FEATURING SOME INTERESTING PEOPLE, BUSINESSES AND HAPPENINGS FROM EVERY CORNER OF CENTRAL NEW YORK.

I'M DANIEL PLUFF.

DURING OUR SEASON WE'LL SEE WHERE MONEY IS BEING MADE, SPENT AND LOST AND FOCUS ON PROJECTS AND ACTIVITIES AFFECTING US LOCALLY.

OUR FIRST REPORT TAKES US OUT TO OSWEGO.

AN UNDERUTILIZED CITY BROWN FIELD SITE LOCATED AT THE CONVERGENCE OF THE OSWEGO RIVER AND LAKE OPERATOR HAS BEEN REDEVELOPED STANDING THERE NOW IS HARBOR VIEW SQUARE.

THIS 26 MILLION DOLLAR, MIXED-INCOME COMPLEX COMPLIMENTS THE CITY'S DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION INITIATIVE.

HARBOR VIEW SQUARE IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION THAT HELPS TO ADDRESS THE GROWING HOUSING CRISIS THE STATE FACES.

"UP FOR GROWTH", A NATIONWIDE PRO-HOUSING ORGANIZATION, REPORTED THE HOUSING SCARCITY IN THE STATE SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED THROUGHOUT THE PREVIOUS DECADE •CITING A SHORTFALL OF A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND UNITS IN MEETING THE STATE'S HOUSING NEEDS.

WE MET WITH OSWEGO MAYOR WILLIAM BARLOW, ALONG WITH BEN LOCKWOOD OF HOUSING VISIONS - THAT'S AN ORGANIZATION AIMED AT DEVELOPING AND MANAGING REAL ESTATE PROJECTS THAT REVITALIZE COMMUNITIES.

WE HOPED TO LEARN WHAT THIS PROJECT WILL MEAN FOR THE CITY AND ITS ECONOMY.

HOUSING VISIONS IS A NOT-FOR-PROFIT.

WE ARE BASED OUT OF SYRACUSE NEW YORK.

OUR MISSION HAS ALWAYS BEEN CENTERED ON NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION AND I AM IMPROVING NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGH COLLABORATION.

OUR NICHE IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING RENTALS.

WE HAVE DEVELOPED 1800 UNITS ACROSS UPSTATE NEW YORK AND DOWN IN SUBURBAN PHILADELPHIA.

HOUSING CRISIS, IT'S A NATIONAL PROBLEM.

IT'S NOT JUST NEW YORK.

IT'S NOT JUST DOWNSTATE NEW YORK.

IT REALLY IS EVERYWHERE.

MAYOR BARLOW, AS HE CAME IN, SAW THAT THEY HAD THE SITE THEY NEEDED REDEVELOPED.

THEY KNEW THAT WHERE WE WERE WAS A BROWN FIELD SO IT WAS ENVIRONMENTALLY CONTAMINATED SITE.

WASN'T GENERATING ANY REVENUE WITH A BACKUP D.P.W.

GARAGE THE CITY WAS USING, SO THE CITY AND MAYOR BARLOW MADE IT A PRIORITY TO SOLICIT INTEREST IN THE SITE.

ULTIMATELY SEEING IT REDEVELOPED.

>> OSWEGO IS CONSISTENT WITH MUCH OF THE REST OF NEW YORK IN THAT WE DID HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS BEFORE SOME OF THE RECENT PROJECTS INCLUDING HARBOR VIEW SQUARE WERE CONSTRUCTED AND CAME ONLINE.

AS SOON AS WE TOOK OFFICE, WE KNEW WE NEEDED TO INCLUDE A HOUSING COMPONENT TO OUR DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION PLAN AND ONCE WE IDENTIFIED THE SITE, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SOLICIT A DEVELOPER TO COME IN HERE AND DO A PROJECT THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY.

>> REALLY CAME IN AROUND $29 MILLION WHEN ALL WAS SAID AND DONE.

WE HAD A DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION FUNDING WHERE WE ALLOCATED $700,000 TO THIS PROPERTY FROM OUR $10 MILLION.

>> WE WERE ABLE TO USE A VARIETY OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SOURCES.

DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION INITIATIVE, THE CITY HAD WHAT IS CALLED RESTORE NEW YORK FUNDS.

THEN THE BIGGEST FUNDING SOURCES ARE THE USE OF THE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT AND THE BROWN FIELD TAX CREDITS, WHICH ARE GREAT PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS WHO BRING IN PRIVATE CAPITAL FOR THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS.

>> AND ALL OF THESE HOUSING COMPLEXES THAT WE BUILT, FROM AFFORDABLE TO LUXURY AND MORE HIGHER END, ARE 100% OCCUPIED WITHIN A YEAR OF OPENING SO THAT JUST SPEAKS TO THE NEED AND THE URGENCY TO OPEN THESE PROJECTS AND GET THEM ONLINE TO GIVE OUR OWN FRIENDS, FAMILY AND NEIGHBORS, A PLACE TO LIVE, REGARDLESS OF THEIR INCOME.

>> WE HAVE A LOT OF DEMAND IN OSWEGO.

THAT PRETTY MUCH FOLLOWS ANYWHEREER WITH WE DO DEVELOP EF DEVELOPMENT ACROSS UPSTATE NEW YORK.

WE HAVE A WAITING LIST IN THE BUILDING SO IF PEOPLE DECIDE TO MOVE OUT, WE ARE READY TO GO FOR THE NEXT FOLKS IN THE CITY.

>> THE CITY RUNS A HUD OFFICE, RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND EVEN THEN WE HAVE A WAIT LIST.

WE ALL WORK TOGETHER TO KEEP THESE WAITING LISTS AND WE TRY TO FILL THE NEED BASED ON PRIORITY, OF COURSE, ON WHO WE CAN GET IN THESE UNITS.

>> YOU KNOW, NEW YORK STATE, TO THEIR CREDIT, HAS BEEN GENEROUS WITH PROVIDING A LOT MORE FUNDING THAN OTHER STATES HAVE DONE.

DOWNSIDE IS IT'S NOT ENOUGH.

EVEN IF THE STATE WERE TO PUT MORE INTO IT, YOU REALLY NEED FEDERAL ACTION AT THIS POINT.

HOUSING IS NEEDED EVERYWHERE FROM THE POOREST COMMUNITIES TO THE MOST WEALTHY COMMUNITIES.

THE CITY OF OSWEGO REALLY HAS BEEN VERY GOOD FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.

PLENTY OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE DOING SIMILAR WORK.

SO IT'S REALLY REMARKABLE TO SEE THE EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN AND TO SEE THE RESULTS AND THE FRUITS OF THE LABORS.

>> >> THANKS AGAIN TO THE MAYOR OF OSWEGO AND BEN LOCKWOOD FOR ANOTHER INTERESTING STORY COMING OUT OF OSWEGO, NEW YORK.

SO FOR OUR COMMON CENTS PEACE WEISE TONIGHT, WE ARE BRINGING JIM KRAUS, ATTORNEY AND C.P.A.

I WAS THINKING IN OUR PAST LIFE, ON THE OLD FINANCIAL FITNESS SHOW, YOU WOULD GIVE ME GRIEF BECAUSE WOULD I HAVE YOU COME ON TOO LATE IN THE YEAR TO TALK ABOUT YEAR-END PLANNING.

YOU CAN'T DO IT IN DECEMBER.

HAVE YOU TO DO IT EARLIER.

HERE WE ARE ENTERING INTO THE FOURTH QUARTER OF THIS YEAR, WHAT DO I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT END OF YEAR TAX STUFF?

>> INGS THIS ARE ALWAYS CHANGING WE ARE LOOKING AT 2022 AS BEING SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE USED LAST YEAR FOR TAX PURPOSES IN OUR PREPARATION.

REMEMBER LAST YEAR WE HAD STIMULUS PAYMENTS THAT WE HAD TO RECONCILE, PARENTS WERE GETTING ADVANCED PAYMENTS OF THE CHILD TAX CREDITS THAT WE RECONCILED.

THAT'S ALL GONE.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANY OF THAT.

BUT WHAT WE ARE TELLING PEOPLE NOW IS REMEMBER THAT YOU ALWAYS HAVE PLANNING TO DO BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.

IF YOU ARE RUNNING YOUR OWN BUSINESS, MAKE SURE YOU THINK ABOUT STARTING YOUR OWN RETIREMENT PLAN.

YOU ARE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE NEW FORMS.

THERE IS A NEW FORM OUT 1099-K ISSUED BY PayPal, CONVENIENT MOW, SOME OF VENMO FOR SOME OF THE GOODS AND SERVICES RENDERED.

NOT FOR YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY BUT MORE NEW STUFF THAT IS POPPING UP WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

PEOPLE WILL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

>> BUT THERE IS ANYTHING JUST TO KIND OF GET IN ORDER BECAUSE AGAIN WE HAVE A COUPLE MONTHS REMAINING.

ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TELL PEOPLE THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING RIGHT NOW AS WELL, ANY ACTION ITEMS?

>> WELL, OTHER THAN JUST MAKING SURE THAT YOU ARE KEEPING A FILE OF TAX-RELATED ITEMS.

IF YOU GO OUT AND BUY A NEW CAR, WAS IT AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE IN YOU GET THE TAX CREDITS FOR THAT EVENTUALLY.

THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS, IF YOU ARE PUTTING ENERGY IMPROVEMENTS IN YOUR HOUSE, WE ARE STILL WAITING TO SEE WHAT THE DETAILS OF THE NEW ENERGY SAVINGS TAX CREDITS ARE GOING TO BE, SOLAR PANELS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS TO START LOOKING AT PUTTING ASIDE NOW IN THE TAX FILE THAT IS LABELED 2022.

>> I HAVE A FEELING I'M GOING TO HAVE FOLLOWUP FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW I AM WITH THE TAX TOMMIC BUT JIM KRAUS, AS ALWAYS, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

KRAUSE AND BARONE OUT OF EAST SYRACUSE.

PLEASURE HAVING YOU WITH US.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DAN.

>> UP NEXT, OUR SEGMENT WE CALL TECH BYTES WHERE WE FEATURE NEW TECHNOLOGIES BEING DEVELOPED OR USED HERE IN CENTRAL NEW YORK.

LAST JULY NEW YORK GOVERNOR KATHY HOCHUL ANNOUNCED THE COMPLETION OF SKYDOME.

NOW, ROME, NEW YORK CAN SAFELY SAY THAT IT'S THE HOME TO THE COUNTRY'S LARGEST INDOOR TESTING CENTER FOR UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS.

SKYDOME WILL PROVIDE YEAR-ROUND, INDOOR TESTING OF ADVANCED DRONE TECHNOLOGIES, AND WILL SUPPORT COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS BETWEEN THE AIR FORCE RESEARCH LABORATORY AND THE NEW YORK UAS TEST SITE.

ON THE MONEY'S TEAM WENT TO ROME AND MET THE COMPANY THAT WILL MANAGE THE 14-MILLION DOLLAR FACILITY: A-X ENTERPRIZE.

>> WE HAVE STRUCTURES THAT WERE BUILT IN 1940 AND HERE WE ARE 80 YEARS LATER REPIRPING THAT INTO A STATE-OF-THE-ART UAS INDOOR DRONE TESTING SITE.

THEY WILL ULTIMATELY MANAGE THE SKY DOME FOR US.

>> AFTER A LONG CAREER, STARTED AT AIR FORCE RESEARCH LAB WHERE BOTH MARY CAROL AND I MET, WORKED TOGETHER AS ENGINEERS THERE.

WE STARTED OUR OWN COMPANY IN 2011, AX ENTERPRIZE.

THE MISSION WAS TO CONTINUE A LOT OF THE WORK THAT WE HAD DONE PREVIOUSLY IN THE MOBILE COMMUNICATIONS FOR MOBILE PLATFORMS AND THEN TRANSITIONING FROM MANNED MOBILE PLATFORMS TO UNMANNED.

AN EASY TRANSITION FOR US WHEN ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES IN THE UNMANNED AREAS STARTED IN THE MOHAWK VALLEY.

AX ENTERPRIZE HAS BEEN THE TECHNICAL ARM FOR THE TEST SITE.

WE HAVE ACTUALLY DESIGNED, IMPLEMENTED AND NOW OPERATE ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE COMPUTERS.

WE SUPPORTED THE INTEGRATION OF THE CORRIDOR BETWEEN ROME AND SYRACUSE WITH THE RADARS, WITH THE NETWORK AND COMMUNICATIONS THAT BRINGS ALL OF THE DATA THAT WE CAN COLLECT FROM ALL OF THE SENSORS BACK HERE TO THE TEST SITE FOR PROCESSING AND ANALYSIS.

>> WITH THE HELP FROM THE STATE GOVERNMENT, SIGNIFICANT COUNTY INVESTMENT, WHICH WE CONTINUE TO DO, YOU KNOW, WE BUILT SKY DOME, WHICH IS THE LARGEST, WE BELIEVE THE LARGEST INDOOR TESTING SITE IN THE NATION.

AND COULD BE EVEN FURTHER AROUND THE WORLD WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THAT HANGAR.

>> JUST LIKE THE AIR FORCE, A NUMBER OF COMPANIES, THERE IS A LOT OF TECHNOLOGY, INTEGRATION OF TECHNOLOGY THAT THE FIRST OF ITS KIND.

IN THE CASE OF LARGE DRONES, FOR THEM TO FLY SAFELY IN THE NATIONAL AIR SPACE, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A TECHNOLOGY CALLED SENSE AND AVOID.

WHETHER IT'S A BUILDING OR A TREE OR ANOTHER DRONE OR A PLANE, YOU'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO DETECT THAT SAFELY.

SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE WORKING ON THE INTEGRATION OF DIFFERENT, SMALL RADARS AND COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS AND AX ENTERPRIZE IS SUPPORTING THEM IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE NEW PAY LOADS SO THEY CAN BE USED SAFELY IN THE NATIONAL AIR SPACE.

>> INDOOR SITE GIVES US THE ABILITY TO DO TESTING AND RESEARCH AND DEVELOP DRONES SO THAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS IN A FACILITY WHETHER IT'S A GOVERNMENT BUILDING LIKE THIS, WHETHER IT'S A SCHOOL OR MANUFACTURING, THAT WE CAN SEND A DRONE IN WHEN NECESSARY AND REALLY ENHANCE WHAT THAT CAN DO AND HOW IT CAN HELP SITUATION SAVE LIVES AND BOOST THE ECONOMY.

THE DOORS DIRECTLY BEHIND ME OPEN UP, SO THESE DRONES, WHEN YOU OPEN THE DOORS, AND SAY OKAY, GO OUTSIDE, WHAT DO THEY DO?

WELL, WHAT THEY DO IS THEY GET PRETTY WONKY BECAUSE NOW THEY DO HAVE GPS, THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN PURPOSES FOR THE NETTING IS TO UNDERSTAND THE BEHAVIOR OF THESE PLATFORMS AND YOU CAN FINE TUNE THEM ON HOW THEY WILL CHANGE GOING FROM INSIDE TO OUTSIDE.

AND THEN ONCE LIFE LOOKS GOOD, THEN YOU JUMP TO THE RUN PHASE, WHICH IS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE 50-MILE BEYOND VISUAL LINE OF SIGHT CORRIDOR AND FLY FREE AS A BIRD.

>> THIS IS THE FUTURE.

THE FUTURE IS HERE.

IN TERMS OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO, NOW WAS WE ARE DOING NOW AND WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO GOING FORWARD.

>> OUR THANKS TO AX ENTERPRIZE AND WHAT IS GOING ON AT THE SKY DOME, NEAT STUFF.

A QUICK PIECE BY THE NUMBERS SEGMENT.

LET ME REVIEW WHERE INTEREST RATES HAVE BEEN, IT'S A NEWS ITEM PARTICULARLY FOR THOSE OF YOU RELYING ON INCOME FROM THE BOND MARKET.

HAVE YOU SEEN SCHAINGS WHERE RATES ARE GOING.

THE YIELD ON THE 10 YEAR TREASURY WHICH IS A BENCHMARK BOND OR BENCHMARK YIELD TO WATCH, THAT WAS TRADING AROUND 0.91% BACK IN DECEMBER OF 2020.

IT JUMPED UP TO ABOUT 1.5% AT THE END OF TWUN 2021 BUT AS OF SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR, WE HIT A HIGH WATER MARK OF 3.3%.

NOW THAT MAY NOT LOOK ALL THAT MUCH ON THAT GRAPHIC, BUT THINK ABOUT THIS.

FROM THE LOW WE SAW IN 2020, TO THE HIGHS THAT WE ARE SEEING NOW, THAT'S A 262% INCREASE IN INTEREST RATES.

THAT HAS A MAJOR IMPACT ON THE INCOME YOU RECEIVE FROM YOUR C.D.s, BONDS, ET CETERA, AND POTENTIALLY SOME GOOD NEWS FOR THOSE OF YOU RELYING ON INCOME.

THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS FOR TONIGHT OF COURSE WE'LL KEEP TRACKING RATES AS THE SEASON GOES ON.

BUT WE FINISH UP TONIGHT WITH OUR SPOTLIGHT SERIES WHERE WE MEET SOME INTERESTING PEOPLE OR HIGHLIGHT SOMETHING SPECIAL HAPPENING IN OUR AREA.

WE MAY NOT THINK OF IT IN THESE TERMS BUT CRIME - AND CRIME STATISTICS CAN HAVE A CLEAR ECONOMIC IMPACT TO CENTRAL NEW YORK.

FOR EXAMPLE, EMPLOYERS, ESPECIALLY THOSE LOOKING TO RELOCATE HERE, CONSIDER CRIME RATES - ALONG WITH OTHER FACTORS - IN THEIR BUSINESS DECISIONS.

PREVENTING AND FIGHTING CRIME, AND PROSECUTING CRIMINALS IS EXPENSIVE.

SO, HOW ARE CONTROLLING CRIME IN CENTRAL NEW YORK?

WHERE ARE WE SEEING INCREASES - OR IMPROVEMENTS - IN CRIME RATES?

HOW IS BAIL REFORM IMPACTING US LOCALLY, AND HOW DO WE MEASURE THE FINANCIAL COSTS OF CRIME?

WITH OVER THREE DECADES IN OFFICE, ONONDAGA COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY BILL FITZPATRICT GAVE US HIS PERSPECTIVE DURING OUR RATHER CANDID ONE ON ONE CONVERSATION.

>> 30 YEARS IN OFFICE, I THINK ONE OF THE LONGEST SERVING ELECTED OFFICIALS IN OUR COUNTY, CORRECT?

>> CORRECT.

>> IT DOES GIVE YOU, I THINK, SOME PERSPECTIVE, LOOKING BACK AND THE ABILITY TO LOOK AHEAD, I SUPPOSE, BUT LOOKING BACK ON THOSE THREE DECADES, WHERE HAVE YOU SEEN MAYBE SOME INCREASES IN VARIOUS TYPES OF CRIMES AND WHERE HAVE YOU SEEN SOME IMPROVEMENT OVER THE YEARS?

>> LET'S START WITH THE IMPROVEMENT.

FROM 1992 WHEN I TOOK OFFICE, TO , I'LL CALL IT PRE-CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK, THE PRISON POPULATION HAD GONE DOWN A LITTLE OVER 30% THAT'S AN INCREDIBLE NUMBER.

AND WHILE ALL THAT WAS HAPPENING, GUESS WHAT ELSE WAS GOING DOWN?

THE CRIME RATE.

WHEN I TOOK OFFICE, I'LL USE NEW YORK CITY AS A BELLWEATHER, THERE WERE 2300 MURDERS A DAY IN THE CITY OF NEW YORK.

AND ANOTHER 300 TO 400... >> 2300?

>> 2300 PEOPLE IN 1991 AND 92 WERE MURDERED IN THE CITY OF NEW YORK.

SINGLE YEAR.

WITH INCREDIBLE POLICING UNDER THE NAME THAT CANNOT BE SPOKEN NOW, GIULIANI WHO DID A PHENOMENAL JOB AS MAYOR OF NEW YORK, WHATEVER ELSE YOU MAY THINK ABOUT I AM, BROUGHT IN TWO PEOPLE, BILL BRATTON AND RAY KELLY AND REVOLUTIONIZED LAW ENFORCEMENT IN NEW YORK CITY AND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

>> ARE YOU SUGGESTING SOME OF THAT SPILLED OVER TO CENTRAL NEW YORK?

>> ABSOLUTELY, IT DID.

AND AS A RESULT OF THOSE POLICIES IN IRKT IN, JUST A FEW-- IN NEW YORK CITY, A FEW SHORT YEARS AGO, THERE WERE LESS THAN 300 MURDERS.

NOW WE ARE TICKING BACK UP.

>> WOULD YOU SAY YOUR OFFICE IS BUSIER TODAY THAN 1992.

>> WE HAVE NEVER BEEN BUSIER FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.

WE ARE FIVE DOWN.

WE CANNOT RECRUIT ADEQUATE-- >> FIVE A.D.A.s.

>> I HAVE FIVE A.D.A.

VACANT POSITIONS RIGHT NOW.

>> IF YOU ARE BUSIER NOW THAN YOU WERE, WHAT IS THE MOST POPULAR TYPE OF CRIME YOU SEE IN THE OFFICE?

>> WELL, IF YOU MEAN BY POPULARITY-- >> FREQUENCY.

>> WELL FREQUENCY, THE MOST UNDERREPORTED UNDERPROSECUTED CRIME IN THE UNITED STATES IN AMERICA IS PERJURY BUT WE VERY RARELY PROSECUTE THAT BECAUSE IT'S DIFFICULT TO PROVE BUT WE SEE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE A LOT.

IT'S INCREASED DURING THE PANDEMIC.

PEOPLE ARE, I THINK HISTORY WILL BE CREW, NOT TOO KIND TO US IN JUDGING HOW OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AT THE NATIONAL AND STATE LEVEL HANDLE THE PANDEMIC.

YOU KNOW, WE ARE SEEING THE RESULTS NOW IN SCHOOLS, WE ARE SEEING, IN MY JUDGE MANY,-- JUDGMENT, CATASTROPHIC INCREASE IN JUVENILE VIOLENCE LOCALLY AND THAT CLEARLY IS, IN SOME WAY, RELATED TO THE QUARANTINE AND THE LOCK DOWN OF THE SCHOOLS.

>> ONONDAGA COUNTY, BIG DISTRICT REALLY TO DO YOUR JOB, I SUSPECT.

BUT IT OCCUR TO ME, THE CITY OF SYRACUSE HAS A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF CRIME GOING ON RIGHT NOW AND FOUNDATIONS THINKING OF MOVING SOMEWHERE OR BUSINESS OWNER SAYS OUR LEASE IS COMING UP.

AND THEY CITE TWO THINGS TO ME THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.

81, WHICH IS GOING TO BE A MESS.

>> GOING TO BE A MESS.

>> AND CRIME DOWNTOWN.

>> CRIME DOWNTOWN.

AND IT'S INCREASING DOWNTOWN.

THERE ARE SOME SACRED INSTITUTIONS, IF YOU WILL IN ONONDAGA COUNTY THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL TO THE ECONOMIC ENGINE AND THE SUCCESS OF THE CITY OF SYRACUSE AND ONONDAGA COUNTY.

SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY, ARMORY SQUARE, DESTINY USA.

AND WHEN YOU START TO SEE THE INCREASES THAT WE ARE SEEING IN THOSE THREE PLACES, NOT THAT CRIME ON SALINA STREET IS NOT JUST AS IMPORTANT.

IT IS.

>> I'M GLAD YOU MAKE THAT POINT.

>> GETTING BACK TO MY ORIGINAL POINT, IT'S NOT PART OF THE ECONOMIC ENGINE.

THERE IS NO MAJOR BUSINESS ON THAT STREET BUT WHEN SOMEBODY GETS HURT THERE, I TAKE THAT CASE JUST AS SERIOUSLY AS I DO JULIE BOEHEIM GETTING ROBBED AT DESTINY USA.

>> NAT TIE INTO AN AREA I'VE NEVER HEARD YOU DISCUSS.

THE WHOLE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF WHAT YOU DO AND CRIME IN CENTRAL NEW YORK.

WE MET WITH ONONDAGA COUNTY EXECUTIVE RYE ABMcMAHON AND I THINK HE IS STILL UPBEAT ON THIS WHOLE WHITE PINES THING, POTENTIAL BIG CHIP MANUFACTURER COMING TO DOWN.

ONE OF THE THINGS THESE COMPANIES LOOK AT, CRIME RATES, HOW SAFE IS THE AREA WE PLAN TO MOVE AND INVEST A LOT OF MONEY IN?

THIS TENDS TO FALL TO YOU.

>> SURE IT IS.

THINK ABOUT YOUR DAY.

YOU WAKE UP.

YOU LEAVE YOUR HOUSE.

YOU GO TO WORK.

WHAT IS THE FIRST THING YOU DO?

YOU LOCK YOUR DOOR.

THAT'S AN EXPENSE.

HAD YOU TO PAY FOR THOSE LOX.

YOU LOCKS.

YOU MAY HAVE A SO SOPHISTICATED INSURANCE SYSTEM.

YOU ARE PAYING THROUGH THE NOSE FOR INSURANCE BECAUSE CAR JACKINGS THROUGH THE ROOF.

YOU DRIVE TO WORK AND PAYING FOR THE POLICE THAT ARE PATROLLING YOUR STREETS.

YOU ARE PAYING FOR THE INMATES THAT ARE LOCKED UP AT JAMESVILLE AND THE VARIOUS STATE INSTITUTIONS, PAYING FOR THE INMAWTS HOUSED AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING AND I CAN GO ON AND ON AND ON.

>> LET ME ASK YOU AND THE ISSUE IS BAIL REFORM.

BECAUSE ON THE ONE HAND, AND YOU HAVE TO AGREE, I MEAN THERE ARE YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN OF ANY AGE THAT END UP IN JAIL AND BY MERE FUTURE VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT THEY COME UP WITH BAIL, THEY'RE STUCK IN THERE.

THEY HAVE NOW REMEDIED THAT.

WHAT ARE THE PROs AND CONS.

>> IN TERMS OF THE PROS YOU ADEQUATELY POINTED OUT.

THAT HAS BEEN THE POLICY IN ONONDAGA COUNTY FOR 20 YEARS.

I HAVE A SENIOR ASSISTANT DA FORMER CHIEF ASSISTANT DA THAT REVIEWS THE JAIL LOCKS EVERY DAY AND IF WE SEE SOMEBODY HELD ON 150 BAIL AND THE KID IS INDIGENT AND COULDN'T MAKE IT, WE WOULD SPRING THAT KID AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

WE HAVE THROWN THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER AND NOW WE ARE SAYING IT'S NOT ONLY BAIL REFORM IN THE SENSE THAT SOME CRIMES ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO HAVE BAIL SET.

IT'S ALSO THE MANDATE THAT THE JUDGE MUST IMPOSE THE LEAST RESTRICTIVE BAIL MEANS POSSIBLE.

THAT'S THE OVERLOOKED PHRASE IN THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION.

SO I HAVE A YOUNG WOMAN, VICTORIA, SHE IS 23 YEARS OLD, FAIRLY FAMILIAR.

>> SHE HAS FIVE SEPARATE PENDING FELONIES, THREE OF WHICH INVOLVE HARM TO A FELLOW HUMAN BEING.

DOES THAT SOUND TO ANY CIVILIZED HUMAN BEING AS A PERSON THAT MAYBE IT'S TIME THAT THIS PERSON BE INCARCERATED?

AND SHE GOES OUT AND KILLS A A 93-YEAR-OLD WOMAN.

>> I READ A REPORT FROM THE BRENNAN CENTER, NYU STUDY.

YOU MIGHT SEE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

THEIR REPORT AFTER LENGTHY ANALYSIS, THERE IS NO CLEAR EVIDENCE BETWEEN BAIL REFORM AND THESE REPEAT-- >> HAVE THE AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT CLEAR EVIDENCE.

>> WE HAVE AN ENORMOUS PROBLEM IN SYRACUSE WITH POVERTY.

ONE OF THE HIGHEST POVERTY RATES IN THE COUNTRY, GREAT POINT.

OFTEN MADE BY PEOPLE WHO ADVOCATE FOR PARTICULAR POSITION.

HERE IS A FACT FOR YOU.

AS I SAID EARLIER, 2300 HOMICIDES IN THE CITY OF NEW YORK IN A SINGLE YEAR.

SIX A DAY.

TWBT YEARS LATER, LESS THAN 300 A DAY.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE POVERTY RATE?

IT WENT UP BY 2%.

HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

>> POVERTY IS NOT WHAT DRIVES CRIME.

IT'S INSULTING TO SAY THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE POOR ARE COMMITTING VIOLENCE.

THE NUMBER ONE DRIVER OF CRIME IS ANTISOCIAL PSYCHOTIC MISBEHAVIOR.

IT'S NOT POVERTY.

>> IT'S TOO EARLY TO ASK IF YOU ARE GOING TO RUN AGAIN.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO THERE.

>> I'M RUNNING AGAIN.

>> ONE MORE TIME.

>> BREAKING NEWS.

>> LOOKING FORWARD, WHAT IS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE ARE FACING RIGHT NOW?

I'M SURPRISED YOU DIDN'T SAY OPIOID IS THAT ON YOUR MIND.

>> IT'S ON MY MIND.

WE ARE GOING TO LOSE IN 2022, WE ARE GOING TO LOSE 2.5 TIMES AS MANY YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN WHO WERE KILLED IN THE VIETNAM WAR.

>> I APPRECIATE YOU HOSTING THIS TODAY.

I APPRECIATE YOUR OPENNESS AND I WISH SUCCESS.

I DON'T THINK COULD I DO THAT JOB BUT GOOD LUCK TO YOU.

>> DAN, THANK YOU, CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU ARE ALWAYS AT A HIGH LEVEL AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> I ENJOY INTERVIEWING THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY.

OUR THANKS AGAIN TO ONONDAGA DISTRICT ATTORNEY BILL FITZPATRICK.

THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR TONIGHT - NEXT WEEK WE HEAD TO DOWNTOWN UTICA WHERE A HOSPITAL IS BEGINNING TO TAKE SHAPE WITH A CONNECTION TO LAS VEGAS.

THEN WE EXPLORE ROSAMOND GIFFORD ZOO'S SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR ANIMAL HEALTH CENTER.

AND OUR SPOTLIGHT SERIES BRINGS US BACK TO UTICA FOR AN UPBEAT CONVERSATION WITH ONEIDA COUNTY EXECUTIVE ANTHONY PICENTE - THE COUNTY APPEARS TO BE ON A ROLL AND HE'LL TELL US ALL ABOUT IT.

WE'RE ON A ROLL TOO, AND THERE'S MUCH MORE COMING THIS SEASON AND IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA FOR A BUSINESS, PERSON OR JUST SOMETHING SPECIAL HAPPENING IN CENTRAL NEW YORK, LET US KNOW - CONTACT US BY EMAILING NEWS AT WCNY.ORG.

TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE PROGRAM, PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE AT WCNY.ORG/ONTHEMONEY.

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I'M DANIEL PLUFF, THANKS AGAIN FOR WATCHING.