ACROSS THE STATE, EROSION IS EATING AWAY AT OUR PRISTINE SHORELINES.

BEACHES ARE STARVING FOR SAND, WHETHER IT’S FROM RISING SEA LEVELS OR LARGE WAVES THAT BATTER OUR COASTS AND EXPERTS WARN IT WILL ONLY GET WORSE.

SO, IS THERE A WAY TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE THAT ALL SIDES CAN AGREE ON OR WILL OUR DISAPPEARING BEACHES FORCE BOTH LAND AND LIFE TO RETREAT?

TONIGHT’S LIVE BROADCAST AND LIVE STREAM OF KAKOU, HAWAII’S TOWN HALL, START NOW.

>>YUNJI: ALOHA AND WELCOME TO KAKOU: HAWAII’S TOWN HALL, LIVE FROM THE HARRY AND JEANETTE WEINBERG MULTI‑MEDIA STUDIO.

I’M YUNJI DE NIES.

HAWAII’S BEACHES ARE SOME OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL IN THE WORLD.

FROM THE BLACK SANDS OF KAU ON HAWAII ISLAND TO LONG STRETCHES OF WHITE SAND ALONG OAHU’S WINDWARD SIDE, THEY ARE THE PLACES WHERE LOCAL FAMILIES COME TOGETHER ON THE WEEKENDS, WHERE COUPLES EXCHANGE THEIR WEDDING VOWS, THE DESTINATIONS THAT TOURISTS DREAM OF WHEN PLANNING THEIR VACATIONS TO PARADISE.

OUR BEACHES ARE THE VERY ESSENCE OF WHAT MAKES HAWAII, HAWAII AND WE ARE LOSING THEM.

FASTER PERHAPS THAN MOST OF US REALIZE.

ACCORDING TO THE U.S. GEOLOGICAL SURVEY, 70% OF BEACHES ON KAUAI, OAHU AND MAUI ARE UNDERGOING LONGTERM EROSION ‑ MAUI HAS THE DUBIOUS DISTINCTION OF LEADING THE GROUP ‑ WITH 85% OF THE ISLAND’S BEACHES ERODING.

GLOBAL WARMING HAS LED TO SEA LEVEL RISE.

BY THE END OF THIS CENTURY ‑ WHICH IS NOT THAT FAR AWAY ‑ WE COULD SEE AN INCREASE OF OVER THREE FEET.

IN THE MEANTIME, WE ARE ALREADY FEELING THE EFFECTS, WITH ONCE ROBUST BEACHES REDUCED TO RIBBONS OF SAND, HOMES FALLING INTO THE OCEAN AND ROADS IN SOME AREAS FLOODED AGAIN AND AGAIN OR EVEN WASHED AWAY.

KAKOU MEANS ALL OF US, AS IN – WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER, AND ON THIS ISSUE, WE TRULY ARE.

WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU IN OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT.

YOU CAN EMAIL OR CALL IN YOUR QUESTIONS.

WE’RE ALSO STREAMING LIVE AT PBSHAWAII.ORG AND ON THE PBS HAWAII FACEBOOK AND YOUTUBE PAGES.

>>YUNJI: IN OUR TOWN HALL TONIGHT, WE HAVE A LEADING CLIMATE SCIENTIST, GOVERNMENT AND BUSINESS LEADERS, PLANNERS AND ENGINEERS, CULTURAL PRACTITIONERS, AND COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS, SO, LET’S BEGIN.

YOUR ORGANIZATION HAS DONE A LOT OF WORK LOOKING AT THE NORTH SHORE.

I THINK THIS ISSUE IN PARTICULAR CAME TO FOCUS FOR A LOT OF FOLKS PERHAPS DON'T TRACK IT.

BAY YEAR AGO.

WHEN A HOME ALONG THE NORTH SHORE FELL INTO THE OCEAN AND MADE A OF NEWS.

TELL US WHAT YOU'RE FINDING ALONG THAT COAST.

>> STARTED NORTH SHORE WORKING GROUP A YEAR AGO.

THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT WORKING GROUP AROSE OUT OF DESPERATION.

TO BE HONEST.

SEEING OUR PUBLIC BEACHES BEING LOST.

WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF ILLEGAL ACTIVITY HAPPENING ON THE PUBLIC BEACHES ON THE SHORELINE.

STATE HAS AN OBLIGATION AND CONSTITUTIONALLY OBLIGATED TO PROTECT OUR PUBLIC SHORELINES.

GOT TO A POINT OF A COMMUNITY, WHAT CAN WE DO?

IT'S A REALLY COMPLICATED SITUATION.

COASTAL EROSION IS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PLASTIC POLLUTION, ELIMINATE SINGLE USE PLASTICS.

SINGLE USE TAKEN AS AN INDIVIDUAL.

COASTAL EROSION KIND OF FEEL HELPLESS SOMETIMES.

COMMUNITY WORKING GROUP REALLY BROUGHT US TOGETHER.

PUT EVERYONE IN THE SAME ROOM AND SPACE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE THE SOLUTIONS.

WHAT CAN WE DO?

WHAT ARE THE PLACES WE HAVE TO FOCUS?

ADDRESS THE ISSUE HOMES FALLS INTO THE OCEAN AND AT THE SAME TIME, BALANCING NEEDLE FOR PROTECT PUBLIC AND CULTURAL RESOURCES.

>> MAUI COUNTY.

WEST MAUI CHALLENGED ON THIS ISSUE.

WHAT ARE YOU SEEING WHERE YOU LIVE?

>> WE HAVE ABOUT NINE CONDO COMPLEXES ABOUT TO FALL IN THE OCEAN.

MAJORITY OF THEM ARE INVESTMENT PROPERTIES.

WE HAVE ANOTHER BUILDING A LITTLE BIT NORTH OF THERE, TOTALLY CONDEMNED.

>> AND AT RISK OF FALLING INTO THE OCEAN.

A LOT OF THESE ARE INVESTMENT PROPERTIES.

THE BIGGER, I MEAN, THAT'S A BIG CONCERN.

BUT THE BIGGER CONCERN IS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

LOWER ROAD, THERE'S A SECTION RIGHT NOW THAT IS ABOUT TO FALL INTO THE OCEAN.

NEAR KAOPALA BAY.

IT HAS A CHARGE WATER LINE UNDER IT.

RIGHT NEXT TO OUR GRAVITY FED SEWER.

AND JUST TO ANGLE THAT SECTION IN AROUND THE BACK OF ABOUT 20 HOUSES, ESTIMATE LAST YEAR, WAS ABOUT $15 MILLION.

BUT THE SCARY PART IS THAT WHOLE STRETCH OF ROAD, 8 TO 12‑MILES, THERE'S VARIOUS PLATE AS LONG THE WAY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SEA LEVEL RISE, GOING TO BE POSSIBLY INUNDATED BY OCEAN WATER IN THE NEXT 30 TO 80 YEARS.

TRYING TO FIGURE OUT CIP PROJECTS, AND POLICY.

WE DON'T HAVE MANAGED RETREAT POLICY OR ADAPTATION PATHWAY.

EXIT STRATEGY.

KIND OF STARTING THAT DISCUSSION.

HOPEFULLY THIS TERM.

>>Yunji: DR. CHIP FLETCHER IS HERE FROM U.H.

MANOA.

INTERIM DEAN OF THE SCHOOL EARTH SCIENCE OCEAN TECHNOLOGY.

SEA LEVEL RISE PROJECTED.

WHAT'S HAPPENING NORTH SHORE WEST MAUI.

FOR YOU HOW FAST ALONG THE ROAD ARE WE AND WHAT WILL THOSE IMPACTS BE LIKE?

EQUAL ACROSS THE STATE?

>> GREAT QUESTION.

WE'VE BEEN LIVING WITH SEA LEVEL RISE FOR OVER A CENTURY.

SLOWLY RISING.

HAVEN'T REALLY NOTICED IT UNTIL RECENTLY.

SORT OF THE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS ARE STARTING TO CROP UP IN AREAS WHERE THE EROSION RATE MIGHT BE A LITTLE FASTER THAN OTHER AREAS.

WHERE THE WAVE ENERGY IS CLOSER TO THE ROAD.

SPLASHING UP HIGH TIDE DURING VARIOUS TIMES OF THE YEAR.

ANOTHER LEVEL OF SEA LEVEL RISE, WATER WILL RISE ALONG WITH THE OCEAN.

SHOOTING THE SHORELINE IN THE BACK IF YOU WILL WITH FLOODING COMING UP OUT OF THE GROUND FORMING WETLANDS IN URBAN AREAS AND COMMUNITIES WHERE OBVIOUSLY WE'VE BUILT BECAUSE THERE WAS FORMALLY DRY GROUND.

SEA LEVEL RISE TAKES A LOT OF DIFFERENT FORMS AND KEY ISSUE WITH THIS, WHICH WAS BROADCAST WITH THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL PANEL WITH CLIMATE CHANGE, REPORT 2021, IS THAT SEA LEVEL RISE IS A PERMANENT CONDITION NOW FOR CENTURIES TO OVER A THOUSAND YEARS.

WE CANNOT UNHEAT THE OCEAN.

WE CANNOT UNMELT THE GREAT ICE SHEETS.

THIS IS A CONDITION THAT CHARACTERIZES OUR SHORELINE IN PERPETUITY.

SO IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MANAGE IT.

>>Yunji: OKAY.

MICHAEL CAINE IS HERE FROM THE DLNR.

SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES THAT WE'VE SEEN.

WE KNOW ENFORCEMENT IS SO KEY.

SEE PEOPLE TRYING TO SAVE THEIR INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES.

>> UNDERSTAND THAT IMPULSE.

SEE ILLEGAL BURRITOS THEY ARE CALLED, BLACK TUBES FILLED WITH MATERIALS TO SHORE UP THE SHORELINE.

ILLEGAL SEA WALLS.

ALSO SEE EVEN PEOPLE DUMPING CONCRETE RIGHT INTO THE WATERFRONTING THEIR HOME AS LONG THE NORTH SHORE.

WHERE ARE WE ON ENFORCEMENT?

WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE THESE STRUCTURES REMOVED OR MAKE SURE PEOPLE DO THINGS LIKE THAT ARE PENALIZED?

>> ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE FACE IS THAT THERE AREN'T MANY CURRENT SOLUTIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR DEALING WITH COASTAL EROSION ONCE IT REACHES DEVELOPED AREA.

IF PEOPLE BUILD SEA WALLS OR SANDBAG WALLS, IT PROTECTS PROPERTY AND DAMAGES THE BEACH.

BREAKS THAT CYCLE.

WE ARE MOVING FORWARD ON ENFORCEMENT TO TRY TO GET THESE SAND BAGS REMOVED.

THE CHALLENGE THE STATE IS FACING IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD PLAN YET FOR HOW TO IMPLEMENT RETREAT.

JUST STARTING TO TALK ABOUT IT.

I WANT, THE STATE WANTS SAND BAGS REMOVED.

BUT THEN WE FACE THE ISSUE OF CESSPOOLS.

OUR HOUSES FALLING IN THE OCEAN.

SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE FIND CHALLENGE WE'RE FACING IS WE CAN SOLVE ONE PROBLEM AND CREATE ANOTHER PROBLEM.

ANOTHER ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM.

AND WE DON'T HAVE GOOD SOLUTIONS YET.

ON THE STATUS QUO.

UNTENABLE.

ONE PLACE SUCCESS WAIKIKI.

YOUR FIRM HAD A LOT DO WITH THAT.

CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THEY DID THERE AND WHETHER THAT COULD BE REPLICATED IN OTHER PLACES ACROSS THE ISLANDS?

>> AS WE ALL KNOW, HAWAII IS UNIQUE AND DIVERSE.

NOT JUST CULTURE BUT COASTLINES AND ENVIRONMENTS AROUND OUR COASTLINES AS WELL.

BEACH NOURISHMENT WORKED VERY WELL IN WAIKIKI.

OTHER PLACES THAT HAWAII WHERE IT CAN BE VERY EFFECTIVE MIDTERM SOLUTION.

IT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT IS MIGRATED WITH RISING WATER LEVELS AS WE MOVE FURTHER AND FURTHER INTO THE SEA LEVEL RISE.

THAT IS BACKED INTO OUR FUTURE.

A LOT OF OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE.

AS WE LOOK AT COASTLINES, SANDY AND SOME MORE FLUVIAL, ROCKY, SUITE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

TO BE HONEST, I'M OPTIMISTIC WITH CONVERSATIONS LIKE THIS.

BRINGING ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS TOGETHER.

PROPERTY OWNERS, AND ENVIRONMENTAL ADVOCATES, AND SCIENTISTS AND ADMINISTRATORS AND WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY DISCUSS WHAT A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES WHICH OPTIONS OR PREFERABLY, SUITE OF OPTIONS MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE.

ESPECIALLY AS WE PHASE THEM.

COASTLINES HAVE ALL WITH RISING SEA LEVEL IN TIME.

>>Yunji: LOOK AT WAIKIKI, IS THAT A SOLUTION JUST FOR WAIKIKI?

SEE THAT, SEE MORE BEACH THAN YOU DID A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.

CAN WE DO THAT ANYWHERE ELSE.

>> WE ABSOLUTE CAN.

EFFECTIVE IN OTHER LOCATION.

I WANT TO CAUSING THAT BEACH RESTORATION IS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS.

REBUILDING BEACHES.

RESTORING THEM TO WHERE THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY.

BEACHES BY THEIR VERY NATURE ARE DYNAMIC CAN BE LOST.

MAJOR STORMS OR TSUNAMIS MAJOR EVENTS.

DO IN THE MIDTERM, 10 TO 20 YEAR TIME FRAME VERY EFFECTIVE THAT BRINGS BACK NATURAL RESOURCE RESOURCES FUNCTION TO OUR COASTLINE.

>>Yunji: RESTORATION AND THEN THERE'S IDEA OF MANAGED RETREAT.

I WOULD LOVE FOR TO YOU TALK WITH WITH US TONIGHT.

COMMUNITY ADVOCATE ON MAUI.

NATIVE HAWAIIAN CULTURAL PRACTITIONER.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR, WHAT MANAGED RETREAT AND YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.

>> MANAGED RETREAT AS IT SOUNDS, MANAGING THE MOVEMENT LAND WARD OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN JEOPARDY OF PROPERTIES THAT ALREADY PAST THE POINT WHERE WE CAN DO ANY KIND OF BEACH REPLENISHMENT.

MY IDEA ON THAT WE DO HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF MANAGED RETREAT.

BUT WITHIN THAT CONVERSATION, VERY IMPORTANT IS TO REMEMBER ACCESS THOSE AREAS.

CULTURAL ACCESS.

GATHERING RIGHTS BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY FAMILIES STILL LIVE FURTHER INLAND THAT CONTINUE TO GO AND EITHER GOOD FOOD FOR SUBSISTENCE LIVING OR PRACTICE PROTOCOLS AT THESE SPOTS.

MORE WE LOOK AT FOR INSTANCE, CONDOS THAT ARE TRYING TO DO BEACH REPLENISHMENT.

IN THAT ACTIVITY LIMIT AND RESTRICT ACCESS, IT BECOMES A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT AND SOMETIMES INCENDIARY POINT THAT CAN CAUSE WAY MORE HASSLE IN A COMMUNITY THAN IF WE HAVE THESE KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS WE ARE CAN TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE IN THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION, THE KULEANA THAT WE HAVE TO THIS AINA AND TO PRACTICES LONGSTANDING BEFORE THERE WERE CONDOS OR HOTELS, STILL NEEDS TO BE IMPORTANT FACET OF THIS CONVERSATION.

>>Yunji: WE HAVE OUR VIEWERS COMING IN.

VIA FACEBOOK, QUIT BUILDING CLOSE TO THE OCEAN.

WE NEED OUR BEACHES BACK.

EASY PLAN.

NO FURTHER BUILDING.

WRITE NEW BUILDING CODES.

NO INSURANCE AVAILABLE IF NOT COMPLIANT.

COUNCILMEMBER OF THE REPRESENTS NORTH SHORE.

YESTERDAY, CITY COUNCIL TOOK SOME ACTION WHEN IT COMES BACK TO SETTING BACK SHORELINE SETBACKS.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN BRIEFLY TO OUR AUDIENCE WHAT WAS DONE AND WHAT IT HOPES TO ACCOMPLISH?

>> OF COURSE.

POINT OF THAT IS MANAGED RETREAT.

I'LL JUST NOTE THAT RENOURISHMENT, REPLENISHMENT OF THE BEACH AND MANAGED RETREAT, AREN'T MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

WE CAN LOOK AT SENSITIVE AREAS, PARTICULAR AREAS WHERE WANT TO MOVE SAND, REVEGETATION TO RESTORE DUNES.

WHAT THE COUNCIL DID YESTERDAY WAS PASS A BILL 41 INCREASING OAHU'S SHORELINE SETBACK TO 60 FEET.

60 FEET IS THE BASELINE.

THEN MULTIPLIER TIMES EROSION RATE IF THERE IS ANALYSIS ON PARTICULAR PARCEL.

IN A CAN INCREASE THAT SETBACK UP TO 130 FEET.

KIND OF MOVING FOLKS AWAY FROM THE SHORELINE.

LIKE THE CALLER, MENTIONED.

IT'S GIVING FOLKS THE ABILITY TO DO REPAIRS.

NONCONFORMING PARTS OF PROPERTY.

SAY THEY HAVE A HOME WITHIN THAT SETBACK, THERE IS DAMAGE TO IT, THEY CAN REPAIR UP TO 50% OR PORTION OF THAT NONCONFORMING USE UP TO 50% OF THE VALUE.

BUYING US A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.

MOVING US IN THE DIRECTION OF RETREATING FROM THE OCEAN KNOWING THAT WE'RE SEEING THESE IMPACTS LIKE WAS MENTIONED, HOMES ARE FALLS INTO THE OCEAN RIGHT NOW.

NORTH SHORE.

GO AROUND KO'OLAULOA, SEE HIGHWAY KAMEHAMEHA HIGHWAY BEING IMPACTED BY THE OCEAN.

THIS IS KIND OF A FIRST STEP.

CONVERSATION IS ONGOING.

WORKING GROUP REPORT, I THINK WAS GREAT.

I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD READ IT.

I'M SURE MOST FOLKS HAVE.

MANY PARTICIPATED IN IT.

THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING.

>>Yunji: KATHLEEN IS ON THE NORTH SHORE NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD.

INTERESTED TO GET YOUR REACTION TO THAT IDEA SHORELINE SETBACK AND WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS THIS IDEA OF MANAGED RETREAT VERSUS BEACH REPLENISHMENT.

>> COMPLICATED ISSUE.

FOR ME ISSUE OF EQUITY SOCIAL JUSTICE AND EQUITY.

YOU HAVE A LOT OF LOCAL FAMILIES THAT HAVE LIVED ON THE OCEAN FOR MANY, YEARS.

DON'T HAVE MONEY LIKE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE COME FROM THE MAINLAND AND BOUGHT UP SHORELINE HOUSE WANT TO BURRITOS ON THE FRONT OF IT.

HAVE KIND OF HAVE AND HAVE NOT SITUATION GOING ON.

YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.

THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

GENTLEMAN HOUSE FELL IN, HE WASN'T A RICH MAINLANDER WITH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

>> HE WAS JUST A GUY THAT WAS HIS FAMILY HOME.

BEEN THERE FOR 50, 60, 70 YEARS.

IT'S DIFFICULT FOR HIM TO DO BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY.

ONE OF THE THINGS I APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL PASSING BILL 41.

I HAVE TO SAY, WHY DOES DPP THEN STILL CONTINUE TO PUT OUT PERMITS AND APPROVE SMAs SPECIAL MANAGEMENT AREA USE PERMIT FOR PEOPLE TO BUILD HOUSES?

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

MICHAEL I KNOW YOU INHERITED THIS.

WE HAVEN'T MET YET.

BUT WE WILL.

(LAUGHTER).

>> YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE FOLKS, BURRITOS, STATE DIDN'T DO THEIR JOB.

>> DIDN'T ENFORCEMENT THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU'RE DOING.

>> DIFFICULT, TAKING A LOT OF HEAT FOR IT BUT I APPRECIATE IT.

IT'S NOT FAIR.

PEOPLE WANT TO DUMP ROCKS.

GUY PUT CEMENT ON THE BEACH.

I MEAN, COME ON.

THAT'S JUST TERRIBLE.

AND POOR GUYS THAT FAMILIES BEEN IN FOR 20, 100 YEARS, CAN'T DO ANYTHING.

THEY LOSE THEIR HOME.

SO FOR ME, I LIKE WHAT TAMARA SAID.

IT'S NOT MANAGED RETREAT.

EXIT STRATEGY.

WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EXIT STRATEGY FOR EVERYBODY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

COMMUNITY PRETTY DIVIDE.

PEOPLE THAT WANT, WE GOT TO SAVE THE HOMES.

ALL OF THESE RICH FANCY HOMES.

AND THEN HAVE YOU PEOPLE THAT SAY, WELL, JUST TOO BAD.

YOU BOUGHT.

AND DR. FLETCHER SAID, THE WATER IS COMING.

WE SEE IT COMING.

AND THEN WE HAVEN'T EVEN TOUCHED REALLY EXCEPT ON INFRASTRUCTURE.

GUESS WHERE ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS.

RIGHT ALONG THE COAST.

>>Yunji: GO OVER TO JOHN DEAN NOW.

NOT JUST THE NORTH SHORE.

ALSO ACROSS ISLAND.

GO TO YOU.

YOU LIVE IN WAIMANALO.

YOU'RE A HOMEOWNER THERE.

YOU FORMED PAHONO BEACH COMMUNITY RESTORATION FOUNDATION.

TALKED A LOT BIT SOME OF THE STEPS INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS TAKEN TO THE DETRIMENT OF THEIR COMMUNITY.

WHAT HAS YOUR GROUP BEEN TRYING TO DO HELP THE SHORELINE?

>> I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE ONE SHOE THAT FITS ALL.

I DO BELIEVE, I THINK THE SHORELINE OWNERS ALONG WITH ME, FIVE GENERATIONAL FAMILY NEXTDOOR.

BEEN THERE SINCE THE 30'S.

ONE SOLUTION THAT'S GOING TO WORK.

AND I THINK THAT MANAGED RETREAT SOME AREAS YOU'VE GOT CHOICE.

I DON'T SEE A MANAGED RETREAT IN WAIKIKI.

WHAT CAN WE DO?

WE THINK, HOPE, BEGINNING IN THE PROCESS, WORKING WITH IT'S DLNR, IS REALLY BEACH NOURISHMENT.

AND TRYING TO RESTORE THE BEACH TO WHERE TVRs.

REALIZE IN 100 YEARS.

NOT GOING TO WORK.

100 YEARS.

MOST PROPERTIES AGED OUT.

NO CONSTRUCTION THERE.

THIS FOUNDATION WILL BE FORMED IS INTENT ON TRYING TO WORK WITH COMMUNITY.

AND COMING UP WITH A SOLUTION.

BEACH NOURISHMENT BUT ALSO GROINS.

SOME CHALLENGES WITH THAT.

CAN WE DO SOMETHING?

EXCUSE ME.

NOT JUST FOR THE HOMES, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT THAT'S A PUBLIC BEACH.

AND NOT JUST, IT'S FULL OF PEOPLE.

MORE TOWARDS THE KAILUA SIDE FROM WHERE I LIVE.

BECAUSE THERE'S MORE SAND.

WHERE I AM, LITTLE TO NO SAND.

KIND OF WHAT WE'RE STARTING TO DO TODAY.

>>Yunji: WE KNOW THAT'S OF COURSE NOT JUST INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNERS.

MANY COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN OUR STATE BUILT ALONG COASTLINE.

TOURISM ECONOMIC ENGINE.

BRING IN CEO OF OUTRIGGERS.

YOU OWN PROPERTIES AROUND THE WORLD.

FACING IN THIS MANY PLACE.

TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPEN IN WEST MAUI.

YOU HAVE INVESTMENTS THERE.

HOW IS WHAT IS HAPPENING PLAYING IN YOUR LONGTERM PLANNING AND WHAT CAN THE COMMERCIAL SIDE DO ON THIS?

>> I THINK FIRST, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION AND CHIP BROUGHT THIS UP, AS WELL, A LOT OF DEBATE THAT HAPPENS ACROSS THE COMMUNITIES ON SEA LEVEL RISE.

I THINK WE'RE ALL HERE BECAUSE WE'RE PASSIONATE AND SEE IT.

WE KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING.

AND THAT DEBATE REALLY HOW DO WE SUBSIDE THAT DEBATE OR GET RID OF THAT DEBATE SO WE CAN GET PAST THAT AND SAY WE NEED ACTION?

WE NEED TO DO SOME THINGS.

I THINK WE ALL SEE THAT THE BUSINESSES AND IN WAIKIKI.

IT'S CLEAR UP FIVE YEARS NOW, YOU SEE IT.

YOU ACTUALLY KNOW IT'S OCCURRING.

AND THERE'S A PIECE OF US IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY THAT IS HOW DO WE GET SOMETHING TO REALLY HAPPEN?

SO THE DEBATE ABOUT SEA LEVEL RISE NEEDS TO STOP.

NOW THE DEBATE ABOUT WHAT TO DO NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND START MOVING FORWARD.

I THINK THAT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING, WAIKIKI, FOR EXAMPLE, THE TOURISTS IS COMING HERE FOR THAT BEACH.

IF THERE IS NO BEACH, THEY'RE GOING TO SEEK OUT OTHER LOCATIONS.

WITH THAT BECOMES SENTIMENT ISSUES RELATING TO TOURISTS BECAUSE THEY END UP SEEKING OUT KAILUA OR LANIKAI OR SOME OF THE OTHER GREAT BEACHES THAT WE HAVE ACROSS THE STATE.

SO TO ME, IT'S TIME FOR ACTION IS REALLY NOW.

I THINK COMMERCIAL TEAMS WITHIN EACH ONE OF THE OWNERSHIP GROUPS IS LOOKING FOR SOLUTION AND WE'RE WILLING TO STEP UP TO ASSIST IN THE PROCESS.

>>Yunji: WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS AS AN BUSINESS OWNER ON THE LEGISLATION COUNCIL JUST PASSED?

SURELY WILL IMPACT COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.

>> IT WILL.

REALITY IS WHEN YOU'VE GOT SHORELINE SETBACK ISSUES, COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO POTENTIALLY BE HURT BY THAT.

I WANT TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTION.

WHAT ARE THE OTHER OPTIONS WE CAN PLACE RATHER THAN JUST PUSHING BACK SHORELINE OR RESTRICTIONS WHICH GUESS BUILDING IS ONE THING, BUT RENOVATIONS OR DOING ANY TYPE OF REMODELING TO PROPERTY COMES BACK, GETS SUCKED UP INTO THAT LEGISLATION AS WELL.

AND THAT BECOMES PROBLEMATIC FOR US.

SO IT HAS AN EFFECT ON TAX REVENUE FOR THE STATE.

IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT, SO THERE ARE BOTH SIDES OF THIS THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.

RETREAT SCENARIO.

ITSELF THERE'S A PEARL HARBOR BACK FROM BUILDING.

HOW DO WE GET SOMETHING BACK INTO A MORE ACCEPTING LOCATION.

ANOTHER PIECE IS THERE STILL IN EXISTENCE.

GOING TO BE NEXT EXAMPLE CONTINUES PIECE OF TIE.

LOOK AT 60 OR 70 YEAR DOWN THE LINE SCENARIO.

HAVE TO DEAL WITH TODAY.

>>Yunji: NATIVE HAWAIIAN CULT IT WILL PRACTICE WORKED ADVISOR FOR THE COUNTY COUNTY ADAPTATION PLAN.

WHEN CAN WE LEARN ABOUT THE WAY NATIVE HAWAIIANS LIVED LONG BEFORE CLIMATE CHANGE WAS REALLY ON THE RADAR OF ANYONE, WHERE THEY CHOSE TO BUILD OUR HOME AND HOW THAT CAN INFORM US NOW?

>> STILL LEARNING A LOT OF CATCHING UP TO DO BREAKING THINGS DOWN, FOCUS IS KIND OF ON THE AQUACULTURE.

OUR SHORELINE AQUACULTURE ARE INLAND.

AND TALKING ABOUT HOMES.

BEFORE THE RIVER BANK WAS BUILT.

NATURAL THING TO KNOW WHAT THE RIVER, KANEOHE WAI AND HAWAIIAN.

CUT AND WATER.

HOMES ALWAYS MOVED WHEN THAT HAPPENED.

FOR HOMES NEVER STUCK IN ONE PLACE.

ADAPTED WITH IT WITH THE OLELO, THINGS ALWAYS MOVE.

SHORT TIME OF ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS ON THE SHORELINE COMPARED TO THE WHOLE LIFETIME OF THE ISLAND.

WE KIND OF SET A FANTASY HOW THE BEACH IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT.

ALWAYS MOVED.

WHERE IS THE STATE POINT?

WHOSE LANDS ARE WE LOOKING AT IN FOR US, FOR ME, I WOULD SAY SANDY BEACH IS NOT ALWAYS MY BEST FANTASY.

PRODUCTIVE KAHUKAI.

WHERE THERE'S AN ABUNDANCE OF FOOD, IT GO AND RESOURCE.

SURF AND YEAH.

NOW THERE'S A TIME, TOURISM CAME MORE BIGGER IN HAWAII.

FANTASY WHITE SANDY BEACH.

HOW DO WE KEEP THAT IMAGE UP TO SATISFY THAT NEW ECONOMY THAT'S BEEN BURSTING ON OUR SHORELINES.

>>Yunji: I WANT TO BRING IN JEFFREY OVERTON, PRINCIPLE PLANNER WITH GROUP 70.

YOU SPECIALIZE GAINING LAND USE PERMIT APPROVAL.

HAVE DEVELOPERS CHANGED THE WAY THEY ARE BUILDING EITHER ALONG THE SHORELINE IF THEY ARE BUILDING THERE, OR CHANGING WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING GIVEN THE REALITIES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT?

>> THANKS.

GREAT QUESTION.

OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADE, YES, THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE IN MORE OF UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE ARE LONG THE COASTLINE.

AS ARCHITECTS, PLANNER, AND ENGINEERS, ACTUALLY GOT A REAL POSITIVE OUTLOOK ON THE FUTURE HERE FOR OUR SHORELINES.

GLOOMY SCENARIOS WITH SEA LEVEL RISE PROJECTED IN SOME OF THE MODELS THAT ARE OUT THERE.

LOOK AHEAD TO THE FUTURE ALONG OUR SHORELINES, WE HAVE MANY TOOLS AVAILABLE TO US.

TO LOOK FORWARD TO US AS YOU HEARD.

NEED TO LEARN FROM GOOD EXAMPLES THAT WE'VE SEEN HERE IN STATE.

WE HAVE WONDERFUL PROJECT, BUILT BY IROQUOIS POINT.

REALLY SHOWN THAT YOU CAN STABILIZE A SECTION OF COASTLINE AND WHOLE BEACHES.

SEEN THE STRUCTURES IN WAIKIKI.

SO RETREAT ISN'T ONLY ANSWER.

>> HEARD A LITTLE BIT OF THAT TODAY.

WE HAVE SUCH A VARIED COASTLINE, PICTURES OF THE NORTH SHORE.

I LIVED THERE FOR 15 YEARS.

THAT'S HIGH ENERGY ENVIRONMENT.

SANDY COASTLINE.

>> SEASONAL ABILITY.

HOME AS RISK.

ONE BEACHES WE CALL LEGACY BEACH.

WOULD WE EVER CONSIDER ARMORING THAT COASTLINE?

I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT.

WOULD WE TAKE ALL THE HOMES THERE AND MOVE SAY THE FIRST 75 HOMES IN A ROW AND JUST CALL IT A NEW PARK?

WELL, STARTS TO RAISE SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS COASTAL ZONE MANAGEMENT ACTS, CCMA, CHAPTER 205A.

CALLS FOR BALANCE IN THIS.

SO BEACH IS IMPORTANT.

ENVIRONMENT IS IMPORTANT.

BUTS COMMUNITIES AND ECONOMY ARE ALL PART OF THAT BALANCING ACT.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, DEVELOPERS ALONG THE COASTLINE, WHETHER THEY'RE RESORT DEVELOPMENT, SERVE RESORT DEVELOPERS, WE SERVE COMMUNITIES, AS WELL AS STATE AND COUNTY.

EVERYBODY HAS TO THINK OF THE FUTURE HERE.

AND RUNNING FOR THE HILLS ISN'T REALLY THE ONLY OPTION.

WE'VE SEEN THE WORLD ADAPT AND BE RESILIENT.

WITH THEIR DESIGNS.

>> THAT'S ONE TOOL.

THERE'S MANY TOOLS.

>>Yunji: WHAT DO YOU THINK SOME OF THE GOOD TOOLS?

>> IDEA OF BALANCE.

LOOK BACK OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES, FIVE, 8 DECADES, IDEA OF BALANCE COASTAL MANAGEMENT HAS REALLY GOVERNED THE SYSTEM.

COASTAL MANAGEMENT OCCURS PARCEL BY PARCEL.

PARCEL ERODING.

LANDOWNER THREATENED.

BALANCE TIPS IN FAVOR OF PRIVATE LANDOWNER.

LONG SAD HISTORY OF BUILDING SEA WALLS TO PROTECT THESE PARCELS.

BEACHES BELONG TO OUR CHILDREN.

WHERE OUR FAMILIES GO.

CHILDREN LEARN TO SWIM.

SEE CLOUDS.

WIND AND WAVES.

CHILDREN IN HAWAII LEARN TO BE SAFE IN THE OCEAN.

AND IT'S HOW WE LEARN TO LOVE THE ENVIRONMENT OF HAWAII.

BEACHES HAVE DISAPPEARED BECAUSE BALANCED COASTAL ZONE MANAGING.

BALANCING NOT COMFORTABLE WORD IT SOUNDS LIKE.

AGREE WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSED HERE.

RETREAT IS NOT THE OPTION IN ALL PLACES.

I THINK WAIKIKI AND A LOT OF OTHER LOCATIONS WE NEED TO LEARN TO LIVE WITH WATER.

CHRIS WAS VERY CAREFUL IDENTIFYING MIDTERM VERSUS LONGTERM SOLUTION.

NEEDS TO BE A SCALED APPROACH.

ULTIMATELY SEA LEVEL IS GOING TO BE A MULTIMETER PROBLEM.

60, 10, 15 FEET OUT A COUPLE OF CENTURIES.

CAN'T FORGET THAT EVEN THOUGH FOR NOW, OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DECADES PLACES BEACH NOURISHMENT CAN WORK.

SETBACKS FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF SHORELINE IN HAZARDOUS AREA THAT CAN WORK.

PLACE BASED TOOLBOX WITH LOTS OF DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS.

WE'RE IN THAT STAGE TRANSITIONING INTO THIS VERY DETAILED DISCUSSION IN ORDER TO FIGURE OUT OUR PATHWAY THROUGH THIS PROBLEM.

>>Yunji: I WANT TO BRING YOU IN.

THIS IS DEFROM OAHU.

WHO PAID FOR THE RENOURISHMENT IN WAIKIKI AND IF IT'S GOOD FOR THE HOTELS, WHAT ABOUT OTHER PROPERTIES?

SOMETHING HAS COST QUITE A BIT OF MONEY.

>> IT DOES.

TATF TAXES ALLOCATED FUNDS.

PORTION FROM THE RESORT COMMUNITY.

>> SEEING SAME THING IN KA'ANAPALI WHERE THE KA'ANAPALI OPERATORS ARE PAYING FOR HALF OF THIS.

GREAT COST SHARES WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RESTORING NATURAL RESOURCE AND DOING IMPROVEMENTS.

THAT ARE ALL STATE PROPERTIES.

THIS ALL OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS, THESE ARE NOT PRIVATE LANDS.

>> THESE ARE STATE LANDS.

STATE BEACHES.

PUBLIC PROPERTY.

YOU'RE GETTING GREAT COST SHORE.

>>Yunji: HOW ARE YOU GOING TO NAVIGATE?

HUI OF HOMEOWNERS.

DON'T HAVE THE MONEY THAT THEY HAVE ALONG WAIKIKI.

ARE YOU ASKING THE STATE IF AND WHEN YOU COME UP WITH A PLAN, TO PUT SOME MONEY?

?

WE'RE GOING TO DO A COLLECTION TONIGHT.

>>Yunji: HAVE TO BE A PRETTY BIG ONE.

NEED DOLLARS AT PBS.

DON'T DO YOU THAT.

ALL SERIOUSNESS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS QUITE EXPENSIVE.

HOW DO YOU NAVIGATE THAT?

DO YOU TRY TO GET THE STATE PITCH?

>> I WISH I HAD A QUICK ANSWER AND I DON'T.

COUPLE OF OTHER PROJECTS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

IN WAIMANALO.

DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION LOOKING AT SAND CATCHER, BEACH NOURISHMENT PROJECT.

JUST THIRD ONE GOING ON.

MORE NOURISHMENT, AND WHY DON'T WE ALL GET TOGETHER SO SOMEONE SAID TO ME, FROM THE WAIMANALO COMMUNITY BOARD, NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD, WHY DON'T WE TALK ABOUT ALL OF THESE PROJECTS?

THAT IS JUST BEGINNING.

THAT MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY.

AND THEN YOU'RE TALKING NOT JUST ABOUT OUR BEACHES THAT ARE PUBLIC FOR EVERYBODY, AND DOING BETTER THERE, THERE'S THE KEONA PARK NEARBY.

COULD CERTAINLY USE SOME HELP.

COMBINATION.

MIGHT WORK.

I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER BECAUSE WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT.

OTHER IS WHAT CAN WE DO IN OUR AREA?

IT'S A START.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH DLNR TO COME UP WITH A PLAN.

AND SO IT IS GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO RETURN BEACH TO WHAT IT WAS 40 OR 50 YEARS AGO.

AND STILL 8 PROPERTIES.

>> BUT NOW WE HAVE IT IN PLACE, FOUNDATION ESTABLISHED TALKING TO EVERY HOMEOWNER ALONG THE WAY.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN HERE'S HOW IT WORKS.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

SOME THAT CAN'T.

SOME FAMILIES THAT ARE FIVE GENERATIONS, JUST THERE'S NO WAY THEY CAN.

THEY STILL NEED TO BE INCLUDED.

THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE.

SO I CAN STILL TAKE A COLLECTION AT THE END.

ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND THE CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT.

LIKE I MENTIONED, CONCEPT OF KAKA KAI WASN'T FIRST TIME I HEARD THAT.

PARALLELS WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING WITH THE SCIENCE.

WHEN WE HAVE A NATURAL SHORELINE, IT'S DYNAMIC.

IT CAN MOVE.

WE HAVE A SAND BANK THAT CAN ABSORB THE OCEAN.

PROBLEM WE'RE SEEING NOW, WHEN EROSION HITS DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S A CRISIS.

>> EROSION ITSELF OUR ISLAND HAVE BEEN ERODING FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS.

I LIKED YOU KNOW, INTRODUCED ME TO THE CONCEPT OF KAH AKAI.

MORE DYNAMIC SHORELINES.

TALK ABOUT SAND NOURISHMENT.

OUR OFFICE HAS PARTICIPATED IN SOME RATHER LARGE NOURISHMENT PROJECTS.

WE NEED TO MOVE BEYOND PUTTING SAND ON THE BEACH AND TYING THAT WITH IN SOME TYPE OF COASTAL RESTORATION.

>> YOU KNOW, WHEN CHRIS SAID, IT'S A MIDTERM SOLUTION.

PLENTY OF THE LOCAL PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY ARE ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO KA'ANAPALI RESTORATION.

THAT ENVIRONMENT IS IN JEOPARDY AND THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THE NABEKA GROUNDS, KONA CRAB GROUNDS BE SACRIFICE TO DO SAVE THE BEACH ENVIRONMENT IF IT'S A MIDTERM SOLUTION NOT A LONGTERM SOLUTION, YOU'RE REINFORCING BEACH SO THE ECONOMY CAN CONTINUE TO THRIVE, IS MONEY BEING PUT AWAY FOR THE LONGTERM SOLUTION.

>> IF MR. FLETCHER SAYS WE'RE GOING TO SEE 6 METERS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, BEACH EROSION, IS NOT THE PERMANENT ANSWER, AT WHAT POINT DO WE MAKE THE PLAN TO TAKE THOSE THINGS DOWN?

AND WHEN THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FOR THE KA'ANAPALI BEACH RESTORATION WAS ON THE DLNR AGENDA, COMMUNITY CAME OUT IN SUCH FORCE THAT IT WAS PULLED FROM THE AGENDA.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT IS ABOUT.

WHY WASN'T IT JUST ALLOWED THE COMMUNITY, CHANCE TO GIVE THEIR TESTIMONY ON THAT?

>>Yunji: I WANT TO BRING YOU BACK IN HERE.

I WANT TO ‑‑ MICHAEL.

>> PULLED FROM THE AGENDA.

WAS COST‑SHARING AGREEMENT BETWEEN OPERATORS ASSOCIATION AND THE STATE.

IT WASN'T THE EIS AND THE PERMIT.

SO.

>> MY BAD.

>> THAT'S OKAY.

WHY I WANTED TO JUMP IN.

>>Yunji: FEEL FREE TO TALK AMONGST YOURSELF.

>> NEED PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE ACTUAL PERMIT.

KEEP US POSTED.

>>Yunji: I'LL STAY WITH YOU FOR ONE SECOND.

GET TO KATHLEEN.

FROM ROSE SAYS, DLNR QUICK TO BREAK UP PARTIES KANEOHE SAND BAR.

DO NOTHING TO REMOVE ILLEGAL STRUCTURES.

IF YOU TAKE THEM AWAY, MORE DAMAGE DONE?

>> THERE IS THE POTENTIAL.

>> THE BIGGER ISSUE WITH ENFORCEMENT IS A SLOW PROCESS.

WE HAVE TO BUILD OUR CASE.

PRESENT OUR CASE TO THE BOARD OF NATURAL RESOURCES WHO MAKES THEIR DECISION.

AND THEN LANDOWNERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO, LEGAL TERM.

BASICALLY, WE GO THROUGH CONTESTED CASE.

RIGHT TO DUE PROCESS.

AND THAT CAN STRETCH OUT FOR SIX OR EIGHT MONTHS.

FOR THAT, WE NEED TWO REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ATTORNEY GENERAL OFFICE TO REPRESENTATIVE ONE FOR OUR OFFICE, ONE FOR TRIBUNAL.

SINGLE ENFORCEMENT CASE CAN SEEM A LOT OF RESOURCES.

CONSUMES A LOT OF RESOURCES.

WE DO ONE AT A TIME AND SLOWLY WORKING THROUGH OUR BACKLOG OF 60 CASES.

>>Yunji: KATHLEEN, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT EXAMPLE OF CONCRETE BEING POURED IN THE OCEAN.

HE'S UP GUNS A LOT.

THAT'S A LOT OF RED TAPE.

IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU THINK THIS COULD BE BETTER MANAGED?

>> YEAH.

OFFICIAL.

MICHAEL I'M SURE YOU STRUGGLE THAT WITH.

I GET IT, DUE PROCESS OUR DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, BEACHES READING.

YOU HAVE BURRITOS LITERING THE BEACH.

STATE INSTITUTION.

PART OF PUBLIC TRUST.

NOBODY OWNS BEACH.

I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE, YOU DO NOT OWN THE BEACH.

LITERING IT WITH BURRITOS THUMBING YOUR NOSE AT THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY.

I HEAR WHAT JEFF SAYING DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

ALSO THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE LARGER COMMUNITY.

NORTH SHORE 7‑MILES IS CONSIDERED MOST PRISTINE SURF PLACES IN THE WHOLE WORLD.

I DON'T SURF PERSONALLY.

BUT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE DO AN ON THE NORTH SHORE.

PEOPLE COMING TO THE NORTH SHORE FOR SURFING.

MAYBE THE NORTH SHORE IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE WE JUST KIND OF HAVE TO SEE WHAT NATURE DOES.

MAYBE COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS TO HELP THE PEOPLE ON THE COASTLINE.

WE'RE HARDENING GROINS IN WAIKIKI.

MAYBE THAT WORKS FOR WAIKIKI BUT NOT FOR THE NORTH SHORE.

>> THIS PARCEL BY PARCEL DOESN'T WORK.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT BIGGER.

>> I THINK WHEN WE WERE DOING COASTAL, LAUREN SURFRIDER, GLOBALLY, LONGER STRETCHES WHAT COUNCILMAN IS DOING IN MAUI.

>>Yunji: I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

I KNOW THAT'S NOT SAME IN ALL PLACE.

COAST IS NOT THE SAME IN ALL PLACE.

SOME AREAS TAKE AWAY THOSE STRUCTURES.

NO SAND.

DIRT.

EROSION.

TAKING HOMEOWNERS THEMSELVES OUT OF IT LOOKING AT THE SORT OF ENGINEERING SIDE OF ALL OF THIS, IS MANAGED RETREAT POSSIBLE?

>> TAKE A HOUSE BUILT ON SAND AND TAKE THE HOUSE AWAY OR LOST, HAVE SAND, THEN THE BEACH WILL RE‑ESTABLISH ITSELF.

IN A PLACE SUCH AS WEST MAUI OR OTHER AREAS WHERE BACK LAND IS NOT SAND, IT'S OUR RED DIRT.

THAT BEGINS TO GET ERODED.

NOT TO THE BENEFIT OF ENVIRONMENT OR WATER THAT WE LOVE TO SWIM AND SURF IN.

SO EACH OF THESE SITUATIONS WE HAVE TO TREAT UNIQUELY.

OUR COASTLINE IS SO DIFFERENT AS YOU GO AROUND.

SOMETHING LIKE 6500 BEACHFRONT PROPERTIES ON THIS ISLAND ALONE.

MICHAEL HAS ENFORCING ALL OF THIS.

SHORELINE IN HAWAII KAI OR KANEOHE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WITH KATHLEEN AND MATT ARE UP ON THE NORTH SHORE.

THEY'RE MUCH MORE DYNAMIC.

MORE DIFFERENT.

SO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT HOW WE CAN APPLY MANAGE THE RETREAT, I THINK VERY GOOD MODELS THAT CHIP AND HIS GROUP IS DEVELOPED.

ON A MACRO SCALE.

HOW WE APPLY THEM, LOCALIZED THING, TAKES COASTAL ENGINEERS LIKE CHRIS OUTFIT TO ANALYZE EACH OF THEM.

SPECIFICS HOW THE SAND IS FLOWING IN THAT ENVIRONMENT OVER TIME.

AND THEN CONSIDER THESE OPTIONS.

I THINK MANAGED RETREAT HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED IN AREAS WHERE IT'S INEVITABLE.

JUST SEEN THE FAILURE OF COUPLE HOMES IN THOSE AREAS.

MAY NOT BE PLACING IT UNDER BURDEN ON PROPERTIES OF TALK ABOUT FAMILIES THAT HAVE HELD THESE BEACHFRONT HOMES FOR 2, 3 GENERATIONS.

BEING TOLD NOW THEIR HOME IS NONCONFORMING.

SO THEY REALLY CAN HARDLY REPAIR IT.

AND IT'S INTENDED TO BE LOST OVER TIME.

BASED ON THIS I WOULD SAY RUSHED POLICY DECISION TO GO AHEAD AND IMPOSE THESE ON THESE HOMEOWNERS.

BIT OF A BURDEN ON FAMILIES.

NOT ALL OF THEM ARE MILLIONAIRES.

MOST AREN'T.

I THINK WE NEED TO TUNING IT, WALKING THROUGH IT BEGINNING OF SHARED APPROACH TO HOW WE MANAGE IT.

RETREAT IS NOT THE ONLY ANSWER.

>> SAY SOMETHING ABOUT MANAGED RETREAT.

TWO THINGS.

YOU GUYS, COMMENTS GAVE ME CHICKEN SKIN.

I HAVE 3‑YEAR‑OLD AND 2‑YEAR‑OLD DAUGHTER.

THINKING ABOUT THIS THOSE PERSPECTIVES REASON WHY I'M HERE.

CONTINUES TO DRIVE ME.

ALSO THINK THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO CENTER HAWAIIAN CULTURAL KNOWLEDGE IS CRITICAL.

THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR MANA'O ON THAT.

ABOUT MANAGED RETREAT.

SUCH A DECISIVE WORD.

FEELS LIKE THIS ONE THING.

TALKED WITHIN THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY, DO WE USE A DIFFERENT PHRASES?

THAT WAS A WHOLE DISCUSSION IN ITSELF.

MANAGED RETREAT.

IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT'S MANAGED RETREAT IS NOT ONE BILL THAT YOU CAN PASS.

NOT ONE FUNDING SOURCE.

NOT ONE POLICY.

IT TAKES MULTIPLE FUNDING SOURCES FROM STATE, FROM COUNTY, MAYBE SOME OF IT IS PRIVATE, IT'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES.

A LOT OF DIFFERENT BILLS.

>> DO WE HAVE RECEIVING AREAS WHERE WE MOVE THESE HOMES OR STRUCTURES TO ANOTHER AREA THAT'S SAFER?

NOTGOING TO PASS ONE BILL MOVES EVERYTHING OFF THE COASTLINE.

NOT WHAT WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR.

HOT SPOTS THAT, YEAH, WE NEED TO GET THE STRUCTURES OFF THE BEACH.

YESTERDAY.

TEN YEARS AGO.

BUT THAT THERE IS A REALLY GOOD I THINK HOLISTIC WAY TO LOOK AT ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT AREAS.

LIKE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

WITH DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS TO FIT THOSE AREAS.

>>Yunji: CHIP, IF WE TAKE THOSE STRUCTURES OFF THE BEACH, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE BEACH?

>> LAUREN MAKING GOOD POINT HERE.

THIS IDEA OF MANAGED RETREAT SEEMS TO TURN SOME PEOPLE OFF.

BUT IF I'M STANDING ON TRAIN TRACKS.

A TRAIN IS BEARING DOWN ON ME.

STEP TO THE SIDE, MANAGED RETREAT MAJOR VICTORY IN THAT CASE.

LOOKING AT HUGE TRAIN BEARING DOWN ON US.

IDEA SHOWDOWN, STUDY THIS MORE.

IDEA USED ABOUT TOBACCO INDUSTRY OIL AND GAS.

>> CALLED DENIAL.

WE ARE MOVING FORWARD AS A COMMUNITY.

NEXT DECADE, DECADE OF THE 20, 30'S.

MODELS ARE SHOWING VERY CLEARLY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEING KING TIDES INCREASE EXPONENTIALLY IN FREQUENCY BY THE 2040.

LOOKING AT HUNDREDS OF HOMES FALLING INTO THE BEACH TAKING PLACE ON THE NORTH SHORE.

WE ARE ACTUALLY AT THE END OF TIME TO DO THIS.

SO IDEA OF WAITING MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.

THERE'S A LOT WE CAN DO.

LAUREN'S DESCRIPTION VERY GOOD.

THERE ARE MANY STEPS WE'RE TAKE MANY TOGETHER THEY REPRESENT A BUNDLE OF INCREASED SAFETY FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND PRESERVATION FOR PRECIOUS BEACHES THAT WE HAVE.

>>Yunji: YOU HAVE DIVERTSTY PEOPLE FACING THIS.

SOME OF THEM HAVE A LOT OF MONEY.

SOME OF THEM DON'T.

PRACTICAL LEVEL, HOW WOULD YOU IMPLEMENT SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

>> REALITY IS EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT THE PROBLEM WE'RE FACING IS JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW.

LIKE RIGHT NOW, LOOKING AT BEACHFRONT PROPERTIES ON NORTH SHORE, 28% OF THEM ARE WITHIN 20 FEET OF THE SHORELINE.

IF MR. FLETCHER IS TALKING ABOUT RISE OF 3 TO 4 FEET.

SEA LEVEL GOES TO 4 FEET.

FACING MORE AND MORE HOMES POSSIBLY FALLING IN THE OCEAN.

HARDENING OF THE SHORELINE, MOKULEIA, BEACH PARK.

LOST 2,000 FEET.

NOT COUNTING FOR THE SEASONAL EROSION ROCKY POINT AND SUNSET BEACH.

CLEAR WE NEED TO ACT.

DO NEED TO START WHATEVER WE CALL IT, MANAGED RETREAT.

SOMETHING ELSE.

CONTEMPLATE MOVING BACK WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE FACING.

I THINK WE DO NEED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT PATHWAYS FOR FAMILIES THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THIS.

TALKING TO MR. FLETCHER ABOUT THIS.

POINTED OUT HOW MIGHT HAVE A HOME OWNED BY A CORPORATION.

VERSUS MULTI, GENERATIONAL HOME.

HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE ALL THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE?

OBVIOUSLY, GOING TO BE LOCATIONS SPECIFIC.

DIFFERENT NEEDS AND DIFFERENT AREAS.

DO WE LOOK AT WHAT KIND OF RELIEF COULD BE PROVIDED.

INCOME BASED.

WHAT KIND OF RELIEF COULD BE PROVIDED TO MAYBE LOOKING AT TDR, TRANSFER DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.

IN THAT SENSITIVE AREA, GIVE TO DEVELOPER OUTSIDE OF THAT AREA.

DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.

HELPS YOU RELOCATE.

COMMUNITY LOOKING AT WHERE ARE WE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT COMMUNITIES.

PATHWAY IMPORTANT.

FEDERAL FUNDS.

FEMA HAS SOME WE CAN UNLOCK WHEN DISASTER STRIKES.

BRICK, HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT PROGRAM.

>> ALL RESOURCES.

NOT ONE SOLUTION.

EVERYBODY RECOGNIZES THAT.

AS WAS MENTIONED, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT BEACH ACCESS THAT SHORELINE, DOESN'T BELONG TO ME.

DOESN'T BELONG TO YOU.

UNDER A CONSTITUTION, BELONGS TO ALL OF US AND GENERATIONS THAT FOLLOW.

>>Yunji: BRING IN MAUI BACK TO THE CONVERSATION.

FISHERMEN ASK THE PANEL TO ADDRESS SHORELINE ACCESS.

BEACH REPLENISH KA'ANAPALI PROJECTS HOTELS.

>> IT'S NOT JUST FISHING AND PEOPLE ON THE SHORELINE LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH COASTAL EROSION, WETLANDS THAT BEING AFFECTED BY IT.

AREAS THAT ARE INLAND.

BECAUSE WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY AS A MAUKA TO MAKAI KIND OF FLOW.

AND IDEA.

BECAUSE AS THINGS IMPACT OUR SHORELINE, AND RESIDENTS THERE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MONEY AND MONEY, OTHER THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING JUST EVEN 200 TO 300 FEET INWARD FROM THAT.

THAT ALSO ARE VERY IMPORTANT.

AND SHORELINE ACCESS FOR AS YOU KNOW, MENTIONED EARLIER, NOT JUST OUR PRACTITIONERS, FOR FISHERMEN IS SLOWLY BECOMING AS I'M LOOKING AT PHOTOS HERE, SAND‑BAGGING AND HARDENING, BEACH HARDENING.

THESE THINGS ON THE SURROUNDING AREAS CAN ACTUALLY TAKE BEACH AWAY FROM THESE AREAS.

THUS CREATE THIS DEFICIT OF WHERE THE FISH RUN AND HOW MUCH FISH ARE THERE.

IF THERE ARE HABITATS WHERE FISH ARE GROWING, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE AFFECTED.

BY SHORELINE HARDENING AND BEACH REPLENISHMENT.

WITHIN THAT BEACH REPLENISH.

>>, WHERE IS THE SAND COMING FROM?

MANY AREAS THAT PEOPLE ARE WANTING BEACH REPLENISHMENT BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE SAND.

SO AREAS OFFSHORE THAT WE GET SAND FROM IF WE GET SAND FROM INLAND, ALL OF THESE THINGS HAVE MAJOR IMPACTS ON ALL OF US.

ENTIRE COMMUNITY OF SO NOT JUST THAT ARE IN JEOPARDY OF LOSING THEIR SHORELINE HOUSES AND DEVELOPMENTS, BUT ALSO THOSE WHO GENERATIONALLY HAVE USED THOSE AREAS AS I MENTIONED, FOUR SUBSISTENCE GATHERING.

>> USE THOSE AREAS FOR CULTURAL PRACTICE.

VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE'S STILL SITES WITHIN COASTAL ZONES WITH 3‑FOOT RISE.

MUCH MUCH SOUTH KIHEI ROAD GOING TO BE UNDER WATER.

SITES THAT WE HAVE ALONG THERE BEING CAREFULLY CULTIVATED RIGHT NOW, WILL BE UNDER WATER.

BEACH REPLENISHMENT SHORELINE HARDENING NOT GOING TO HELP THAT.

NEEDS TO BE MORE HOLISTIC LOOK AT IT.

HAVE TO TAKE A STEP BACK, THAN JUST 500 FEET FROM WHERE THE WATER BREAKS.

DO NEED TO INCLUDE OTHER VOICES THAT LOOK AT THE WATERSHEDS AND HOW THAT ADDS TO OUR NEAR SHORE SYSTEMS.

>>Yunji: BRING YOU IN.

>> TALKED A LOT ABOUT OAHU AND TALKED A LOT ABOUT MAUI.

NOT ENOUGH ABOUT KAUAI.

TELL US ABOUT SOME OF THE WORK THAT IS BEING DONE ON KAUAI AND WHAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE LIKE?

>> I DON'T KNOW, ENOUGH ON THE WHOLE ISLAND.

DO SOME OF THE DATA.

70%.

WHAT BEACH ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

NAPALI COAST, A LOT OF SAND PLACES.

REALLY OLD SPOTS.

CANNOT EVEN PUT A BOAT ON THE BEACHES THERE.

I DON'T SEE, DON'T SEE MASSIVE CHANGES HAPPENING SOME OF THOSE COASTS.

REALLY KNOW WHERE THE LANE MOVES.

SAND DOING ITS THING.

FOR ME, MORE FOCUS FISH POND.

>> AINA BASE STRUCTURE.

IS THE DATA FOR ME.

PEOPLE ASK, WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO PROJECT YOUR RESTORATION SO THAT YOU CAN MATCH DATA LIKE WHAT MR. FLETCHER IS TALKING ABOUT.

I TELL THEM I DON'T SEE A LOT OF THAT HAPPENING IN MY LINE OF WORK.

YOU WATCH TIDE ALL THE TIME.

THAT'S WHAT THE POND FUNCTIONS ON AND BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE RIVER, GOT TO DEAL WITH RESTORATION WORK.

NOT JUST WATCHING THE HIGH TIDE.

BUT WAITING FOR THAT JACKPOT TIME, HIGH, TIDE, FLASH FLOOD, THAT HITS, EVEN HIGHER THAN HIGH TIDE.

HAVE TO READJUST TO THAT LEVEL.

HAPPENED TWICE SINCE WE WERE TIME AT THE FISH POND TWO YEARS, 3 YEARS AGO.

SECTION OF THAT WALL STILL STOOD ON THAT HIGH, KING TIDE AND FLOOD, BUT FLOOD EVERYTHING ELSE.

FOR ME I LOOK AT THE WALL.

STILL PROTRUDING OUT.

ORIGINAL AS WE CAN GET.

MAYBE THAT'S 600 YEARS OLD.

OKAY, THAT IS A SPOT THERE, RUN THAT LINE BACK AND RESTORE IT TO THAT LEVEL.

NOT GOING TO PROJECT YET BECAUSE I WANT FUTURE DO THAT.

DON'T WANT TO EVERSTEP MY STEP WITHIN OUR TIME.

JUST GET THE FOOTPRINT BACK, SEE A PIECE OF OUR HISTORY WAS 6 TO 800 YEARS OLD.

WAIT NEXT 800 YEARS.

STARTS GOING OVER.

LET THEM ADAPT TO THAT.

SO WE DON'T OVERCOME.

NOT CHEAP TO GET ROCK AND REBUILD 700‑FOOT WALL.

MATCHING MO'OLELO, WHAT WE DO.

GOING THROUGH TIME, ALL THE DIFFERENT CHANGES THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING.

IN THE PAST 130 YEARS.

ILLEGAL OVERTHROW.

ILLEGAL OCCUPATION OF AMERICA.

HOW MUCH THINGS HAVE CHANGE, SHORT LITTLE PERIOD.

130 YEARS.

A LOT OF THESE HOMES POPPED UP LAST 100 YEARS.

MO'OLELO SPENT THOUSAND OF YEARS.

THERE'S A PATTERN IN THERE.

GOING BACK TO WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING.

MORE CERTAIN PLACES, YOU HOW IT'S WE WANT IT THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT REALLY LOOKING BACK MOTHER NATURE PATTERN.

>> ADAPTING OURSELF TO IT.

START BUILDING THESE KIND OF STRUCTURES, EVERYBODY THINK PERMANENT.

>> ONE TIME.

BE THERE FOREVER.

>>Yunji: YOU'VE GOT SOME THOSE STRUCTURES THAT THEY DO HOPE TO BE THERE FOR THE LONGTERM.

YOU THINK EVENTS HE'S TALKING ABOUT.

FRESH WATER.

NOTE JUST OCEAN.

FRESH WATER AS WELL.

INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT ADAPTATIONS YOU'RE MAKING TO TRY TO KEEP THOSE STRUCTURES IN PLACE, NOT JUST SAND REPLENISHMENT.

DR. FLETCHER AND I TALKED BEFORE TONIGHT, IDEA MAYBE YOU LOSSES THE GROUND LEVEL OF HIGHRISE.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER IN SOME OF THE PROPERTIES?

>> SO I'M HOPING WE DON'T GET TO THAT POINT.

WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE ANY LEVELS OF THE HOTEL.

>> I THINK IN THAT CASE, GOT WATER COMING UP AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND THAT PROBABLY ISN'T THE SAFEST SCENARIO FOR ALL OF US.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WORKING ON BEACH REPLENISHMENT AND SOME OF THESE RESORT AREAS TODAY.

>> THAT MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.

GROIN WORK.

EIS OUT THERE FOR WAIKIKI ALREADY THAT WE BELIEVE MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FOR US TO DO.

OTHER DISCUSSIONS RELATED DO I DON'T WANT TO SAY INTO PERPETUITY, NOTHING IS.

FOR BEACH REPLENISHMENT NIGHTLY BASIS IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

>>Yunji: NIGHTLY BASIS?

>> POTENTIALLY NIGHTLY BASIS.

EACH NIGHT, YOU WOULD POP A LITTLE BIT OF SAND.

PUT IT INTO DIFFERENT LOCATION WITHIN THE BEACH SO THAT ONGOING BASIS, WE WERE ABLE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE BEACH EROSION THERE.

BUT I THINK THAT I'M REALLY ENCOURAGED, TO ME, THIS IS, THIS WAS A BUSINESS PROBLEM WE SAY, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WE'RE DEALING WITH?

AND WHAT IS THE PLAN THAT WE COME UP WITH?

LET'S GO EXECUTE ON THE PLAN.

HOW DO YOU FIND FUNDING FOR IT?

SO THIS DEBATE HAS GONE ON FOR A LONG TIME.

IT'S TIME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?

THERE'S BEEN THROUGH THE HAWAII EXECUTIVE COLLABORATIVE CLIMATE COALITION PUT TOGETHER.

THAT GIVES ME SOME HOPE STARTING TO GET SOME ACTION.

STARTING TO GET GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE CLIMATE ADVOCATES, THAT ARE BUSINESS INDIVIDUALS, YOU'VE GOT POLITICAL LEADERS, ALL WITHIN THE SAME GROUP NOW TALKING ABOUT SOLUTIONS, HOW DO WE GET TO SOME OF THESE SOLUTIONS THAT WE NEED TO GET OUT THERE AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO DEAL WITH IT?

REALLY ENCOURAGED WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS SOON.

I THINK WE JUST ALL NEED TO DECIDE WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO AND LET'S START WITH THOSE PLANS SOON.

>> IF I COULD, SHARE A LITTLE BIT MORE FROM THE ARCHITECTURE'S PERSPECTIVE OF THINGS.

STRUGGLING WITH THE SAME ISSUES THAT JEFF WAGNER IS TALKING ABOUT AT HIS PROPERTIES.

>> WE ARE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH NUMBER OF DIFFERENT RESORT PROPERTY MANAGERS IN WAIKIKI AND ELSEWHERE.

AND LOOKING AHEAD AT THESE NEAR TERM THINGS.

TRAIN ISN'T MOVING YET.

I HEARD WHAT DR. FLETCHER SAID.

TRAIN ON THE TRACKS.

CHRIS THIS MENTIONED TIME FRAME.

SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT FIVE YEARS SCHEME, FOR OUTRIGGER FOR EXAMPLE, OR OTHER RESORT PROPERTIES, WHAT DO YOU LOOK AT FIVE YEAR BASIS?

TEN YEAR BASIS?

COULD YOU DO SIMPLE THINGS TO OFFSET KING KING TIDES FLOODPROOFING, SAND BERMS NEAR TERM THINGS.

WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP IN MAYBE YOU'RE LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE CHANGES TO YOUR PROPERTY ON THE MAUKA SIDE.

SO YOU HAVE INTERNAL BERMS, THINGS LIKE THAT, FIT IN THE LANDSCAPE, FLOOD WALLS.

ARCHITECTURE STUDYING THAT FULL RANGE POTENTIAL.

20 YEAR FURTHER HORIZON.

FIRST FLOOR, IF THE MODEL PROJECT GRIMLY.

WE'RE NOT ABANDONING WAIKIKI.

WE'RE PLANNERS.

THE ARCHITECTURES COME UP WITH GREAT IDEAS HAVE A BEACH IN WAIKIKI.

BUILDINGS COMMERCE WILL CONTINUE.

PUMPS RUNNING.

THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

FIRST FLOOR IF WE HAVE TO, THAT CANNOT BE OCCUPIED SPACE.

MAY HAVE TO BECOME A COMMON SPACE.

WE CAN'T RETREAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO ROOM ON THOSE CAMPUSES TO MOVES HOTELS BACKWARDS.

>> WE WORK TOGETHER.

HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS.

THERE IS A REALLY DARK SCENARIO.

CHIP TRAIN ARRIVES, BUT WE'RE IN OUR LIFETIMES, I THINK WE HAVE LOOK AT THINGS INCREMENTALLY, MAKE SENSE, BUDGET THEM, BUSINESS AND COMMUNITYDECISIONS OPTIMISTIC AS PLANNERS.

WE PLAN.

BE POSITIVE IN THE WORK TOGETHER AND SOLVE THIS.

>> ONE THING WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUAL STRUCTURES.

WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION EARLIER.

I ALSO WORK FOR THE BOARD OF WATER SUPPLY.

AND DR. FLETCHER COMPLETELY RIGHT.

IT IS HERE.

WE GET MAIN BREAKS IN WAIKIKI.

WE DIG DOWN.

WE'RE ALREADY IN WATER.

ALA WAI BOULEVARD, THAT FAR BACK, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

WE CAN'T JUST LOOK AT WHAT IS ON THE SHORELINE.

WE GOT TO GO BACK.

SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET.

YARDS EVEN.

EVEN A MILE.

BECAUSE YOU GO INTO SOME PLACES IN HONOLULU ALREADY.

THE ALREADY FLOODING KINGS TIDES AND STUFF.

IT'S ALREADY HERE.

>> APPRECIATE THE FACT WE WANT TO SAVE OUR BUSINESSES AND HOMES.

BUT THERE'S A THING ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE TOO.

GREAT TO HAVE A HOME.

IF YOU HAVE NO ELECTRICITY, NO SEWER, NO WATER.

HAVE TO WATCH THAT.

YOUNG MAN HAS THE RIGHT IDEA.

>>WORKING WITH MOTHER IDEA.

>> GOOD JUMPING BOARD.

JUST A QUESTION WATER RISING BUT ALSO LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE.

LOOK BACK TO THE 1700'S.

>> CAPTAIN COOK, WHAT THEY WROTE ABOUT THAT WHILE AREA.

>> TALK ABOUT WAIKIKI RIGHT NOW TO HONOLULU.

WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE ANYTHING GOT BUILT?

DOES ANYBODY KNOW.

>> WETLANDS.

MORE SPECIFIC TARO PATCHES AND FISH PONDS.

AS FAR AS THE EYE COULD SEE.

WAY INLAND.

WAY BEYOND WHERE WAIKIKI IS ALREADY DEVELOPED NOW.

SO THERE IS ALWAYS WATER THERE.

WHAT DID THEY HAVE TO DO GET TO THAT DRY?

BACKFILL.

>> ALA WAI.

DREDGE ALA WAI AND REEFS.

>> ALL OF THOUGH THE LANES.

HAD TO GRAB STUFF TO FILL THE WETLAND.

>> THINGS RISING OR WATER TAKING ITS SPACE BACK AGAIN?

300 OR 400 YEARS WORTH IN THE PAST 100 YEARS, ALL OF THESE MANIPULATIONS HAPPENING.

TRYING TO KEEP THAT SPACE AGAIN.

SO TO KEEP THAT SPACE, CONSEQUENCE, WORK HARDER KEEP UP WITH IT.

GOING.

WHATEVER ELSE HAPPENING.

KEEP UP WITH THAT.

VERSUS WORKING AND DRIVING IT.

MAKING IT PRODUCTIVE ON THE SAME SPACE.

THAT PLACE BEAUTIFUL STORY.

USED TO BE POPULATED WITH FOOD.

NOW JUST BUILDINGS.

>> IF WE HAVE THIS IN A SMALLER SCALE SOME OUR INTERNATIONAL PROPERTIES.

SO WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY MALDIVES.

NOT PROPERTY HUGE ISLAND.

ONE PROPERTY ON A SMALL ATOOL, SMALL ISLAND.

AND WE DEAL WITH IT EVERY DAY.

WE HAVE BARGES.

REPLENISHMENT OF THE BEACHES.

>> SAME TODAY AS THEY WERE MANY YEARS AGO.

SIGNIFICANTLY CLOSER FROM A WATER PENETRATION OR WATER COMING OVER THOSE ISLANDS THAN WE HAVE IN HAWAII.

BUT THAT'S HOW WE DEAL WITH IT.

DON'T HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES AT ALL.

IN THESE PROPERTIES.

>> AND MALDIVES OR FIJI.

BECAUSE WE HAVE TAKEN ACTION.

WE KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS.

WE'RE ACTUALLY EXECUTING ON IT EVERY SINGLE DAY.

AND I THINK FOR US, THERE'S A PIECE OF THIS THAT THERE IS THIS MASSIVE DEBATE GOING ON BUT WE'VE GOT TO DO THINGS TO BE ABLE TO SHORE THIS UP.

CHIP TALKING ABOUT, HERE, GOING TO BE HONEST RELATIVELY QUICK.

QUITE A BIT OF SEA LEVEL RISE.

WATER GETTING CLOSER TO HOME AND BUSINESSES.

TIME WE DO SOMETHING.

SHOWN IN OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WORLD.

YOU CAN DO SOMETHING IF YOU HAVE A PLAN AND START TO TAKE SOME ACTION.

>>Yunji: ALL OF DISCUSSIONS SO FAR HAS BEEN SOLUTIONS TO EROSION DUE TO SEA LEVEL RISE.

WHAT ABOUT THE CAUSE?

CLIMATE ITSELF IS PREVENTION BEING CONSIDERED?

THE FIRST QUESTION, THAT I ASKED YOU, SEEM TO INDICATE THAT'S KIND OF TOO LATE.

>> NEVER TOO LATE.

CAN'T GIVE UP.

HAVE TO WORK ON THIS PROBLEM.

IT IS A LONGTERM PROBLEM TOO SLOW TO REACT TERMS OF GLOBAL COMMUNITY CUTTING DOWN USE OF FOSSIL FUELS.

BEEN A MAGNIFICENT SOURCE OF ENERGY FOR HUMANS GOING BACK 200 YEARS.

HEALTH, EXTENDED LIFETIMES.

THEIR TIME IS A HEALTHY FORM OF ENERGY ENDED MANY DECADES AGO AND WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SWITCHING OVER TO CLEAN ENERGY.

WE ARE AT THE BEGINNING OF TRUE GLOBAL REVOLUTION CLEAN ENERGY TAKING PLACE THIS DECADE.

FIRST TIME LAST YEAR, SAW AS MUCH MONEY INVESTED IN CLEAN ENERGY WE SAW IN INVESTED OIL AND GAS AROUND THE WORLD.

FIRST TIME.

AND I WON'T DRONE ON ABOUT THIS.

DESPITE SOME TRULY WONDERFUL STEPS TAKEN, STILL ON A PATHWAY WARMING TWICE AS MUCH AS ALREADY WARMED, ON A PATHWAY WARMING 3 DEGREES CENTIGRADE.

>>Yunji: NEVER TOO LATE FOR CONSERVATION.

WHAT I MEAN IS OCEAN IS WARMING.

>> WE CAN'T STOP SEA LEVEL RISE.

>> WE CAN SLOW IT DOWN.

AND WE CAN PREVENT THE VERY WORST SCENARIOS FROM TAKING PLACE.

BUT WE HAVE SET IRREVERSIBLE MOTION AT THIS POINT.

ON ORDER OF 3 TO TEN FEET OF SEA LEVEL RISE OVER THE NEXT 200 YEARS.

SO WE'VE SET THAT IN MOTION.

>>Yunji: EVEN IF WE STOP POLLUTING TOMORROW.

>> EVEN IF WE STOP POLLUTING TODAY.

>> HOW MUCH INCHING PER YEAR?

>> TALKING ABOUT A FOOT SEA LEVEL RISE BY 2050.

COMPARED TO THE YEAR 2000.

3 TO 4 FEET OF SEA LEVEL RISE BY THE END OF THIS CENTURY.

IF THE WEST ANTARCTIC ICE SHEET DOESN'T DRAMATICALLY COLLAPSE.

UP TO 6 TO TEN FEET SEA LEVEL RISE IN THE NEXT CENTURY AND CENTURY AFTER THAT.

>> WHAT FOOT DID YOU START SEEING THE RISE START?

>> BEGINNING YEAR 2000.

SO 23 YEARS AGO.

22 YEARS AGO.

>>Yunji: YOU WANTED TO JUMP IN?

TALKING ABOUT 1 FOOT OR 6 FEET, OR TEN FEET.

I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY AT LEAST, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT MOVED HERE FROM THE CONTINENT, IN THEIR MIND, THEY THINK 1 FOOT, OH, YOU KNOW, BUT.

>> DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A BIG DEAL.

>> DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A BIG DEAL.

REALISTICALLY, ONE FOOT DURING LIKE A 20‑FOOT SWELL.

DURING A KING TIDE.

DURING FULL MOON.

AND THEN IT GROWS EXPONENTIALLY.

TO HEAR MR. OVERTON AND MR. WAGNER, TALK ABOUT PLANNING FOR THING, THERE IS SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL.

WE HAD 2018, HURRICANE OLIVIA AND HURRICANE LANE, COMING AT US CATEGORY 5.

DIRECT HIT.

WE WERE EXPECTING, EXPECTING RAIN AND IN LAHAINA TURN INTO A FIRE STORM.

SO I THINK IT'S MORE THAN THE SLOW STEADY RISE OF THE OCEAN THAT YOU CAN PLAN FOR.

IT'S THOSE EPISODIC CATASTROPHIC YEARS THAT YOU CANNOT PLAN FOR.

IT WILL SET THE ECONOMY BACK OF THE ASSESSED VALUE OF THESE BUILDINGS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

MAYBE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

AND THEN CLEAN UP OF THAT.

I THINK YOU WITH THE POPULATION THAT IS IN THESE ISLANDS RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A MAJORITY OF THEM THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SEEING WHEN HE'S SAYING, 1 FOOT OF SEA LEVEL RISE BY 2050.

THAT'S NOT TOO BAD.

1 FOOT.

12 INCHES.

BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE EXPLAIN MORE FOR THE PERSON THAT IS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE OCEAN AND WHAT 1 FOOT OR 3.2 FEET WHATEVER THAT MEANS IN PRACTICAL TERMS.

MORE EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS AND NOT BEING ABLE TO PLAN WHERE IT WILL HIT OR MOST VULNERABLE.

YOU THINK THIS AREA LIKE, WE'RE GOOD.

YOU KNOW.

WE'RE NOT ON SAND.

BUT THEN CATEGORY 5.

WE DON'T EVEN HAVE SHELTERS FOR CATEGORY 5.

SO I MEAN, PLANNING IS GOOD.

BUT DON'T THINK YOU'RE IN CONTROL.

>>Yunji: BRING IN THIS QUESTION OVER EMAIL.

>> QUICK EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS ALREADY HAPPENING.

DURING HIGHEST TIDES OF YEAR, OCCURRING AROUND THER CALENDAR YEAR DECEMBER, JANUARY, THEN AGAIN, TOWARDS END OF THE SUMMER.

DURING THOSE HIGHEST TIDES OF THE YEAR, IF IT RAINS, THERE IS NO GRAVITY DRAINAGE IN WAIKIKI, KAKAAKO, IWILEI, ANYWHERE BETWEEN DIAMOND HEAD AND PEARL HARBOR IN THE CENTRAL URBAN CORRIDOR OF HONOLULU.

THERE IS NO GRAVITY DRAINAGE WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PUMP WATER OUT.

WE HAVEN'T EVEN BEGUN TO DISCUSS THAT AS A COMMUNITY YET.

MIAMI BEACH HAS.

SPENT $800,000 FOR A PUMP PUMP WATER OUT HALF A BLOCK OF WATER.

WHEN RAINS HIGH TIDE.

STRETCH THAT OVER THE LENGTH OF MIAMI BEACH.

OR THE PRIMARY URBAN CORE OF HONOLULU.

YOU GET UP INTO HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS JUST TO KEEP THE PLACE DRY WHEN IT RAINS.

>> ODDS LOW.

KING TIDE WITH THE RAIN.

JACKPOT.

>> WE CALL IT A COMPOUND FLOOD.

MIGHT WANT BRING IN THIS QUESTION.

SHOULD THE STATE OR CITY INVOKE EMINENT DOMAIN LAWS TO FORCE HOMES OFF BEACHES?

PROTECT BEACH AND OCEAN.

CONTROVERSIAL.

PEOPLE WHO REFUSE TO MOVE.

>> CONTROVERSIAL.

CONVERSATION BEGAN I THINK THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION, STILL WAITING TO SEE HOW THE STATE IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ONE BILL I SAW.

PUTTING FUNDING ASIDE FOR SOME OF THE HOMES ON THE NORTH SHORE.

WORKING GROUP, FOUND PLANS WORK BEST WHEN THEY'RE VOLUNTARY.

SO WE WANT PATHWAYS LIKE I SAID, BEFORE.

FOR SPECIFIC HOUSEHOLDS DEPENDING ON THEIR SPECIFIC NEEDS TO HAVE OPTIONS TO MOVE OR DEAL WITH WHAT THEY'RE CONFRONTING.

DOMAIN EXISTS AS A MECHANISM.

I THINK THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT GOVERNMENT'S REQUIRED PAY JUST COMPENSATION.

SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT, AGAIN TALKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE IS GOING TO GROW.

SO ITS GOING TO CONTINUE TO AFFECT MORE AND MORE HOMES.

I DON'T THINK THE COST OF EMINENT DOMAIN OURSELVES OUT OF THIS PROBLEM IS GOING TO WORK.

DOESN'T MEAN THERE AREN'T SELECT SENSITIVE SPACE WE WANT TO CONSIDER IT IF WE WANT TO TURN PARCELS INTO PARKS OR OTHER RECREATIONAL SPACES WHERE THEY'RE PRESERVED FOR CULTURAL ACCESS AND PUBLIC ACCESS.

I DON'T THINK EMINENT DOMAIN IS THE SOLUTION WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE WAY OUT GIVEN THE WORK THAT YOUR GROUP HAS DONE.

>> PERSONAL OPINION.

ONE THING I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP.

>> ADAPTATION PATH, WHICH IT WAS.

VERY THANKFUL COUNTY AND STATE SITTING IN THE ROOM ON NORTH SHORE COASTAL RESILIENCE WORKING GROUP.

SAW ACTION FROM YOU ALL.

INTRODUCED, ACTIVE BILL RIGHT NOW FOR MANAGED RETREAT.

AND CREATING FRAMEWORK FOR THAT.

IT'S HUGE.

NEED THAT.

HAVE TO HAVE THAT.

ONE OF THE TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX.

WAY WANT TO SEE HAPPEN COUNTY AND STATE LEVELS IS WHAT THE CITY OF SANTA CRUZ IN CALIFORNIA HAS DONE.

WALK THROUGH THIS, CALLED ADAPTATION PLANNING.

AND IT'S TRIGGER BASED.

A IS COMMUNITYINPUT.

B TRIGGERS.

LET'S SAY, OKAY, THIS PARTICULAR SECTION OF BEACH, AND WE HAVE THE HIGH WASH OF WAVE HITS X POINT.

SPECIFIC POINT.

THAT TRIGGERS THIS ACTION.

AND I THINK THAT WOULD ALSO HELP MAKE IT SPECIFIC TO THE PLACES.

ALSO CREATE THIS COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT IN THAT COMMUNITY INPUT.

AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'RE ABLE TO, IT DOESN'T FEEL JUST ARBITRARY.

SURFRIDER, HIT THE TRIGGER WHAT HAPPENS.

SHORT TERM, SAND REPLENISHMENT.

MAYBE IT'S RETREAT A SPECIFIC AREA.

STRUCTURES ARE TAKEN AWAY.

MAYBE IT'S GROINS.

MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD REALLY PLEASE STATE AND COUNTY FUNDING TO TAKE ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT VERY, SANTA CRUZ REALLY THINK, SUCCESSFUL WAYS ADOPTED THAT ADAPTATION PLANNING.

REALLY GOOD NEXT STEP.

>>Yunji: YOU'RE HERE AS A HOMEOWNER OF THE INTERESTED TO KNOW, I WOULD THINK THAT IF I HAD A HOME ALONG THE COAST, MANAGED RETREAT WOULD SOUND PRETTY TOUGH AND NOT BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD WANT.

>> IT'S RHETORICAL QUESTION FOR ANYONE ON THE SHORELINE.

NOT SOMETHING THEY WANT.

I THINK A LOT OF SHORELINE, WITHIN OUR SHORELINE, IS RECOGNIZE HARDENING DOESN'T WORK.

JUST HURTS.

HURTS NEIGHBOR NEXT TO YOU THAT DOESN'T HAVE IT.

MANAGED RETREAT, MAYBE SOME PEOPLE GET UPSET HOMEOWNERS ALONG THE SHORE.

BUT I THINK MANAGED RETREAT CERTAIN CASES IS GOING TO BE THE ONLY SOLUTION.

WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.

I BELIEVE, LOVE TO SEE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.

DONE PROJECTS IN MIAMI BEACH, AND ELSEWHERE, WHERE THEY DO NOURISHMENT OF THE SHORELINE.

AND IT SEEMS TO, THEY HAVE TO REPLENISH PERIODICALLY.

THERE ARE POSSIBILITIES OUT THERE.

AND MY HOPE AND I THINK FOR THOSE THAT ARE WITH ME, IS TRUE, IS THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE WHERE WE ARE REPLENISHING BEACH.

>>Yunji: QUESTION FOR YOU CHRIS.

I WANT TO BRING IN.

WHEN SAND IS BEING MINED FROM ONE PLACE AND PUT IN OTHERS, THERE IS A NATURAL PROCESS TO REFILL THAT SPACE.

WHO IS STUDYING SAND MOVEMENT OFFSHORE?

HOW DO WE KNOW WE'RE NOT HURTING ENVIRONMENTS OFFSHORE WHEN WE TAKE THAT SAND?

>> EXCELLENT QUESTION.

THERE'S ACTUALLY BEEN QUITE A BIT OF WORK DONE INTERNATIONALLY AND LOCALLY.

ON WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE SANTA RECOVERY AREAS.

WE'VE GOT BEST PRACTICES FOR HOW TO CAPTURE THAT SAND.

AND RESTORE IT TO THE BEACH.

AND LOOKING AT THE LAYOUT ON THE SEA FLOOR, OCEAN CURRENTS AND WAVES, YOU CAN ACTUALLY DESIGN YOUR RECOVERY AREA TO RESPOND VERY QUICKLY TO RESTORE IF ITSELF BACK TO THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.

NOT CREATE A BIG SINK HOLE THAT'S REST OF THE NEAR SHORE FILLING BACK IN.

AND TO ALLOW FOR RE‑ESTABLISHMENT OF MICROFAUNA AND NATIVE MARINE SPECIES THAT LIVE IN THE AREA.

SO THAT ACTUALLY WENT INTO THE DESIGN PROCESS FOR SAY, KA'ANAPALI PROJECT.

SOMETHING THAT WE STUDIED EXTENSIVELY WITH THE WAIKIKI PROJECT.

MICROFAUNA STUDY.

MARINE BIOLOGY.

NOT JUST HOW IT RESPONDED IN THE AREAS WHERE WE TOOK THE SAND, REEF ADJACENT TO IT AND IN CONTROL SITES.

THAT WERE FURTHER AWAY.

RESPONSE OF THE AREAS WE IMPACTED.

WE DO IMPACT THOSE.

RECOVER SAND FROM THEM.

THEY RECOVER VERY QUICKLY.

WHAT WE FOUND YEAR OUT, IT WAS ALMOST COMPLETE RECOVERY.

>>Yunji: BEN FROM KANEOHE, LOVE FOR YOU IT TAKE THIS ONE.

STATE NEEDS TO STEP IN.

PUT BREAKERS 100‑YARDS OUT ON ADD GROINS.

DONE IN WAIKIKI.

WORK ON THE NORTH SHORE.

WE HAVEN'T TALKED A LOT ABOUT GROINS TONIGHT.

PLACE FOR COASTAL STRUCTURES.

WE TALKED ABOUT, NORTH SHORE IS SUPERHIGH ENERGY ENVIRONMENT.

SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE EFFECTIVENESS OF COASTAL STRUCTURES.

THERE ARE BREAK WATERS IN HALEIWA.

PLACES LIKE THAT.

PROTECTING HARBORS.

TO PUT THEM ANYWHERE NEAR LET'S CALL LEGACY BEACHES OR AREAS THAT HAVE BECOME WORLD RENOWNED SURF SPOTS.

REASON I MOVED HERE WAS SURFING.

>> I DON'T THINK MOST FOLKS WANT TO SEE THAT.

OTHER PLACES AROUND THE STATE, AROUND THIS ISLAND WHERE STRUCTURES PROVEN THEMSELVES.

TALKED ABOUT FEW OF THOSE.

BREAK WATERS USUALLY AROUND HARBORS.

START PLACES SEEN EROSION.

LANIKAI, KAHALA.

PLACES LIKE THAT.

I THINK IN PLACE OF BREAK WATER, MIGHT BE MORE THE SMALL FINGER GROINS THAT COULD FIT WELL IN THE ENVIRONMENT.

IN THE ENVIRONMENT.

ALLOW FOR SAND CAPTURE AND POCKETS.

MIGHT NOT EVEN NEED TO DO MUCH REPLENISHMENT IN THERE.

>> AND MAY FIT.

YOU CAN SEE SOME OLDER GROINS THAT WERE IN PLACE THERE.

HISTORICALLY.

THEY'RE FITTING NICELY.

KIND OF BECOME PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.

YOU SEE SOME OFF SAY OUTRIGGER CLUB, IN THE GOLD COAST.

PLACES LIKE THAT.

SO I BELIEVE THERE IS GOING TO BE A PLACE FOR IT.

PROJECTS THAT WE WORK WITH, TRY TO HELP HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE LOSING THEIR HOME, EVEN LOOKED AT SANDBAG GROINS.

WHICH COULD BE IN QUICKLY, COST EFFECTIVELY COME OUT IF IT'S NOT WORKING OUT OF TEMPORALLY ON SCALE, NOT THINKING ON 50 YEAR TIME HORIZON, FIVE TO TEN YEARS TIME HORIZON, I THINK WE REALLY COULD ADD SOME OF THESE IN.

>>Yunji: I WANT TO BRING YOU IN ON THIS ONE.

YOU TALKED ABOUT WETLANDS.

HOW CAN WE USE OUR WETLANDS TO EXPAND RESOURCE TO MITIGATE SHORELINE DAMAGE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE ROLE OF WET LANDS AND RESTORING WETLANDS IN ALL OF THIS?

>> RESTORATION WET LANDS, ALL CONNECTED, RIGHT THERE ON THAT NEAR SHORE AREA.

BY RESTORING WETLANDS, WITH NATIVE SPECIES, THAT HELPED TO FILTER TERRESTRIAL RUNOFF AND YOU KNOW, SILT, DIRT, ALL OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

CHEMICALS.

BY CARING FOR WETLANDS AND REALLY GETTING THE KINDS OF MEASUREMENTS BECAUSE THERE IS SOME THAT HAVE COURSES UNDERNEATH THEM.

UNDERGROUND LAVA TUBE STYLE THINGS WHERE SALTWATER COMES BACK IN.

DYNAMISM.

DOESN'T MATTER WHEN A WETLAND, PRIMARILY DRY, MOST OF YEAR ONLY BECOMES WET DURING FLOOD EPISODES OR JUST PERIODIC TIMES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

OUR WETLANDS NOT ONLY HELP US WITH THE WATERSHED AND TERRESTRIAL FILTRATION, BUT ALSO CAN MITIGATE THE WAY SAND FLOWS, THE WAY THE TIDES BREAK ON SPECIFIC BEACH, WHEN THEY ARE CARED FOR.

BECAUSE NATURAL BERMS ARE FORMED DURING SOME OF THE, ALONGSIDE SOME OF THOSE AREAS.

AS IN WAIAHOLE KAI AND WAIPULI ON SOUTH MAUI.

AREAS SEEN NATURAL ECRETION AND DEPLETION AND THE MORE WE'VE SEEN DEVELOPMENT ON IT, THE LESS IT'S BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND THAT IS ONE OF THE MAJOR FUNCTIONS FOR WET LANDS THAT ARE AROUND THE COASTLINE.

SO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE CAN'T JUST LOOK AT STRUCTURES AND COMMERCIAL ENTITIES.

WE NEED TO REALLY HAVE MORE HOLISTIC APPROACH WITH WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW WE DEAL WITH COASTAL EROSION AND THAT MITIGATION.

BECAUSE WETLANDS PLAY A VERY IMPORTANT PART IN THAT.

>>Yunji: I WANT TO BRING YOU IN ON THIS ONE.

WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR DEALING WITH EROSION?

YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THIS SPECIFICALLY.

WHAT THE PLANS FOR DEALING WITH EROSION ON KAMEHAMEHA HIGHWAY IN KAAAWA?

YOU HAVE BENEFIT OF HAVING, GETTING TO SEE ALL OF THESE AREAS.

>> IN TIME OF COURSE.

WE TALKED LITTLE BIT ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE AND THOSE ISSUES.

OTHER THAN THE HOMES, WE SEE THE ROADS REALLY BEING IMPACT.

QUITE A BIT.

TELL US ABOUT THAT.

>> CRITICAL ISSUE.

IT'S ACTUALLY STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION THAT IS PREPARING AN EIS TO LOOK AT LONGTERM PLANS FOR PROTECTING THE HIGHWAY.

WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN WORKING WITH THEM ON EMERGENCY PERMITS.

AND FOR US, OUR KULEANA IS PROTECT THE STATE'S NATURAL AND CULTURAL RESOURCES WE KNOW THAT THROWING IN REVETMENTS ABOUT DAMAGE THOSE RESOURCE.

>> ALSO NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE CAN'T LOSE THE HIGHWAY.

THAT WILL HURT A LOT OF PEOPLE.

>>Yunji: DO WE MOVE THE HIGHWAY.

>> I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT.

I DON'T HAVE THAT POWER TO DO THAT.

IT'S BEEN, I'VE GO TO SAY RELUCTANTLY BEST CHOICE IS ISSUE PERMITS FOR ROCK REVETMENT AS LONG THE HIGHWAY.

KNOWING THAT THAT IMPACTS THE BEACHES AND I DON'T HAVE A BETTER ANSWER.

>>Yunji: WE'VE SEEN THIS ON THE NORTH SHORE TOO.

I WANT ASK YOU.

SEEN THIS ON THE NORTH SHORE.

WHERE YOU HAVE THE BEACH RIGHT THERE.

AND EVENTUALLY, YOU FEEL LIKE OKAY, GOT TO MOVE THIS INLAND.

A LITTLE BIT.

WHAT ARE THOSE DISCUSSIONS LIKE?

>> AGAIN, LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENING KAAAWA.

NOT A LOT OF PLACES TO GO.

BUILD UP BOTH SIDES.

SOME AREAS ON THE NORTH SHORE AROUND LANIAKEA, I KNOW D.O.T.

IS GOING TO BE MOVING THAT HIGHWAY OVER A BIT.

THAT'S NOT SO MUCH DUE TO COASTAL EROSION.

IS AS IT IS TO TRAFFIC AND TOURISM.

IT WILL HELP.

BY MOVING ROAD IN.

PICKUP THAT IS NOT OPTION IN MOST OF THE AREAS.

OF THE COASTLINE.

YOU CAN'T REALLY MOVE THE ROAD BECAUSE THERE'S NO PLACE TO MOVE THE ROAD.

SO AGAIN, WE GO BACK TO ALL OTHER OPTIONS ABOUT RETREAT AND DIFFERENT THINGS TO DO, TO TRY AND GET PEOPLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HANDLE THE ISSUE.

GOING BACK TO THE EARLIER QUESTION ABOUT BUILDING GROINS AND STUFF ON THE NORTH SHORE, JEFF IS RIGHT.

I THINK YOU'D HAVE QUITE A REVOLUTION OR UPROAR BECAUSE OF THE SURF.

GOING TO AFFECT SURF.

BEEN TALKING ABOUT, YOU CAN'T SEPARATE THE LAND FROM THE OCEAN.

>> YOU CAN'T SEPARATE THE WETLANDS.

IT'S ALL ONE, WHICH HE UNDERSTAND THAT.

IT'S ALL ONE.

YOU CAN'T SEPARATE IT.

AND THAT IS PART OF OUR THINKING IS I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THINGS INTO BOOKS AND SO I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THE ROAD.

BUT IT'S AGAIN WE CAN'T HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS HOLISTICALLY.

>> QUESTION OF THE ROAD, BALANCE OFF MICHAEL'S RESPONSE.

WE'VE ACTUALLY WORKED FOR PRIVATE HOMEOWNERS TOGETHER WHO TRIED FOR 3 YEARS.

>> DID ALL THE STUDIES.

IN THE END GOT DENIED.

D.O.T.

CAME OUT EMERGENCY PERMIT NEXTDOOR AND GOT UPWARDS QUARTER MILE.

NEED TO SAVE THE HIGHWAY FOR LIFE SAFETY AND COMMERCE.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ESSENTIALLY DON'T HAVE A BEACH THERE, AND DENIED ABILITY TO PROTECT THEIR PROPERTY, WE'RE BUILDING THE SAME SORT OF STRUCTURE, THERE IS NOT EQUITY.

IN THE SITUATION REALLY FOR SMALL GUY, PEOPLE VILLIFY PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS.

WRONGLY IN THE MEDIA.

THEY'RE NOT ALL BAD ACTORS.

WE ACTUALLY DON'T WORK FOR BAD ACTORS.

NOT REALLY FAIR FOR THE PERSON WHO OWNS A PIECE OF PROPERTY, THEN SEE THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT COME IN AND DUMP A 5‑FOOT SACK OF ROCKS.

WE KNOW WE NEED IT.

BUT LET'S USE PRIVATE FUNDS.

GOOD DESIGN AND DO THE SAME THING.

AND HAVE REAL PROPERTY TAX AT THE SAME TIME.

THERE'S AN ANSWER HERE.

WE HAVE TO STUDY EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUALLY.

ONE SIZE DOESN'T FIT ALL WITH THESE REGULATIONS.

>>Yunji: WE ONLY HAVE A FEW MINUTES LEFT.

I WANT TO ASK YOU, BECAUSE THERE IS DISAGREEMENT ON THIS PANEL.

BUT THERE IS, WANT EXPERIENCE YOU TALKED ABOUT.

TOUCHED HER HEART AND MINE AS A MOTHER OF TWO SMALL CHILDREN.

IDEA THAT OUR CHILDREN LEARN AT THE BEACH.

EXPERIENCE HAWAII.

BEST OF WHAT WE HAVE HERE.

CAN HAWAII BE THE WAY WE ENJOY IT LONGTERM?

DO WE HAVE TO GIVE IT UP?

>> WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE IT UP.

YES, IT CAN BE WAY THAT WE OURSELVES ENERGY IT AND THE WAY THAT OUR GRANDPARENTS ENJOYED IT.

THERE IS A VERY PRACTICAL ISSUE HERE.

AND ON THE ONE HAND, WHERE WE HAVE BEAUTIFUL BEACHES, I THINK WE NEED TO WORK HARD TO PRESERVE THEM.

WE STILL HAVE LOTS OF BEACHES HERE.

LET'S PROTECT THEM.

THERE ARE OTHER PLACES WHERE ROADS ARE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE.

BECAUSE ENTIRE COMMUNITIES REALLY ON THEM.

AND THERE AREN'T BEACHES IN FRONT OF THOSE ROADS.

SO FINDING THE SOLUTIONS HERE THAT BALANCE THE EQUILIBRIUM THAT EXISTS TODAY, IN A WAY CAN PROJECT IT INTO THE FUTURE HIGHER LEVELS SEA LEVEL RISE IS ONE WAY TO GO.

TALKING 60,000 FEET HERE.

IN THIS PANEL, THIS WONDERFUL PANEL, HAS BEEN REAL EXERCISE IN DETAILED DISCUSSION.

BUT WE HAVE TO BE OPTIMISTIC.

THERE ARE SOLUTIONS.

WE'RE ALL COMMITTED TO THE SAME THING.

WE HAVE INCREDIBLE COMMONALITIES ON THE SAME PAGE.

RECOGNIZE THE PROBLEM.

WE CAN BE OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THIS.

>>Yunji: GIVES ME A LOT OF HOPE.

ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT.

LOVE FOR YOU HAVE THE LAST WORD.

WHAT PATH FORWARD DO YOU SEE?

>> MOTHER NATURE VIBE, ALWAYS SAY, N ALU BE LIKE THE OCEAN AND NALU.

WAVES.

WHENEVER THAT WAVE START BREAKING, RIDE THEM THE BEST WE CAN.

ALWAYS GOING TO BE MOVING.

CANNOT BE STUCK TO ONE THING THE WHOLE TIME.

LITTLE ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN.

TO BE ONE HAPPY PERSON, MOVE WITH THE AINA.

IF NOT FIGHTING IT THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.

>>Yunji: WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE?

LEAVE THE SHORELINE?

REMANAGE RETREAT?

>> SOMETHING GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE.

A LOT BEEN FORCED UPON FOR A LONG TIME.

FINDING BALANCE IS ONE.

PEOPLE IS GOING TO LOSE OUT OR INDUSTRY IS GOING TO LOSE OUT.

NOT SURE.

FIND THAT BALANCE.

BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.

COMPLICATED ISSUE NOT SOLVED TONIGHT.

PUSH IN ISSUE FORWARD BECAUSE IT IS ONE WE AS A COMMUNITY HAVE TO FACE WHETHER WE WANT TO OR NOT.

MAHALO TO ALL OF OUR GUESTS.

AND TO THOSE OF YOU AT HOME FOR BEING A PART OF TONIGHT’S DISCUSSION.

WE’LL BE BACK NEXT MONTH FOR ANOTHER KAKOU TO TALK ABOUT THE NEW REALITY OF CONCEALED CARRY IN HAWAII.

HUNDREDS OF LOCAL RESIDENTS ARE NOW ABLE TO LEGALLY CARRY GUNS WHEN THEY LEAVE HOME ‑ SHOULD THE GOVERNMENT RESTRICT WHERE THEY CAN GO?

STATE AND LOCAL LAWMAKERS HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ‑ AND WE BET YOU DO TOO.

WE HOPE YOU JOIN US THEN.

I’M YUNJI DE NIES.

UNTIL NEXT TIME, ALOHA.