>>> POWER OUTRAGE AND THE OHIO IMPACT OF THE JANUARY 6th HEARINGS.

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>>> JOINING US ON "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD" THIS WEEK, ANDREW TOBIAS, STATE HOUSE REPORTER FOR CLEVELAND.COM.

STAN GRESHAM OF COMMON CAUSE, OHIO AND TERRY CASEY, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST.

A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM SWEPT THROUGH OHIO THIS WEEK, CAUSING A LOT OF TREE DAMAGE IN SOME PARTS OF THE STATE.

THE COLUMBUS YARE YOUR DID NOT SEE THE SAME AMOUNT OF DAMAGE.

BUT SOME 330,000LER CUSTOMERS IN AND AROUND THE CITY LOST POWER, SOME FOR DAYS.

THAT'S BECAUSE AEP HAD TO CUT OFF POWER TO MANY CUSTOMERS.

THEYED TO THE DO SO TO PROTECT ITS GRID.

SAID THE STORM DAMAGED SOME TRANSITION LINES.

COMBINED WITH HEATED HIGH DEMAND, THREATENED TO OVER LOAD OTHER DEMANDS.

SOME NEIGHBORHOODS BUT NOT ALL LOST POWER FOR MANY HOURS.

THE SITUATION LED TO LOTS OF QUESTIONS AND FRUSTRATION.

BUT THE AEP SAYS THEY HAD NO CHOICE.

>> WE'RE SORRY.

WE'RE SORRY.

THE VERY LAST THING THAT WE WANT TO DO IS OUTAGE A CUSTOMER, VERY LAST THING WE WANT TO ODO.

FROM AN EMERGENCY STANDPOINT, WORE DOING THIS TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE ENTIRE GRID.

>> LOTS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE GRID, THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

UTILITIES.

WHAT'S THE STANCE OF REGULATORS AND STATE OFFICIALS?

>> I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS THEY HAVE IS WHO HEARD WHAT WHEN?

YOU HEARD SOME STATE OFFICES WERE INFORMED IT WOULD BE HAPPENING.

A HEADS UP HOW THEY WOULD ADJUST THEIR WORK SCHEDULES.

AND FRANKLIN HERE WITH THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR SAYS HE BASICALLY FOUND OUT WHEN HIS LIGHTS WENT OUT.

AND QUESTIONS PEOPLE HAVE BASICALLY THERE'S NOT BEEN ANY CRITICISM IN THE WHOLE SALE MARKET.

THEY'RE THE TRAFFIC COPS FOR ELECTRICITY AND ORDERED THE SHUT OUT.

I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ACCEPT THAT BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID.

>> SO, YOU LOST POWER FOR A WHILE.

>> I DID SEVERAL TIMES.

>> TWO FULL DAYS.

AND I TALKED TO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT LEGISLATURES, DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN, PEOPLE ARE PUZZLED.

THAT'S PARTS OF EASTERN OHIO THAT MAYBE WILL GET POWER BACK ON SATURDAY.

I TALKED TO SCOTT BLAKE AND PART OF THE CONFUSION TO ME IS THEY SAID WELL, WE HAD TO MAKE THESE INSTANT DECISIONS QUICK.

BUT THEN WENT ON TO TELL ME WE LOOKED AT CERTAIN PLACES LIKE HOSPITAL AND WE RESTORED THEIR POWER.

IF THEY COULD RESTORE THE POWER, WHY COULDN'T THEY ROTATE IT AROUND?

PEOPLE SAID WHY DON'T YOU SHARE THE PAIN IN FOUR AND FIVE-HOUR INCREMENTS.

BECAUSE PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY POOR AREAS OF COLUMBUS, WHERE, WHEN THEY LOSE THE REFRIGERATOR, THEY LOSE THE FOOD.

THEY'RE NOT IN AN IDEAL BUDGET CIRCUMSTANCE TO REPLACE THAT INSTANTLY.

>> WHEREAS AEP WILL NOT REPLACE THE FOOD BECAUSE IT WAS A NATURAL OCCURRENCE BECAUSE OF HEAT AND THUNDERSTORMS.

>> IN MID TO LATE JUNE, SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS AND 90-DEGREE WEATHER IS NOT TERRIBLY UNCOMMON.

WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT THE GRID AND INFRASTRUCTURE IF THE POWER COMPANY CAN'T HANDLE THAT?

>> IT SAYS IT'S ARE NOT UP TO STANDARDS TO DEAL WITH THE MOST EXTREME SITUATIONS.

I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

BECAUSE DIDN'T THEY RECENTLY RECEIVE MONEY TO IMPROVE THE GRID FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO MAKE SURE THESE TYPES OF THINGS DIDN'T HAPPEN.

SO, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.

I LIKE YOUR ANALOGY BECAUSE THIS COMMUNITY SUFFERS ENOUGH AS IT IS.

POOR PEOPLE DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REPLENISH THEIR FOOD WHEN YOU RUN INTO SITUATIONS LIKE THAT.

SO, IF YOU COULD ROTATE IT, I WOULD AVOID THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE MARGINAL.

AND KEEP THEM IN POWER, IF YOU DO IT.

>> WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT WHAT THE COMMONALITY WAS.

BECAUSE I LIVE IN DUBLIN.

MY CLOCKS NEVER HAD TO RESET.

NEVER HAD A BLIP.

BUT OTHER PARTS YOU LOST FOR TWO DAYS.

MARION VILLAGE WAS HIGHLYFECTED.

>> AND I HAVE TWO DIFFERENT STORIES.

THE ONE THROUGH A STATE SENATOR AND A TV PERSON TOLD ME THE REASON IT TOOK SO LONG FOR US TO GET THE POWER BACK WAS THEY HAD A CIRCUIT BREAKER PROBLEM AND THEN THEY HAD A CREW THAT DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO FIX THE CIRCUIT BREAKER, WHICH IS PRETTY COMMON.

BUT THE PERSON TODAY WITH AEP SAID IT WAS SOMETHING UNDERGROUND IN A CONE, TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

AEP NEEDS TO GET THEIR STORY STRAIGHT.

AND I HOPE THEY DIG AND PUSH TO GET THE ANSWERS AND MAKE SURE THEY VERIFY, NOT JUST TAKE THE WORD OF WHAT THEY'RE TOLD.

>> PUBLIC UTILITIES, COMMISSION OF OHIO HAS PROMISED AN INVESTIGATION.

ANY WORD ON HOW LONG THAT WILL TAKE?

>> THE POWER IS BACK ON.

BUT NO, THERE'S NO WORD.

>> ANY CAUSE AT THE STATE HOUSE OR A BIG INVESTIGATION INTO KWLU TILTS AND HOW THE GRID IS MANAGED?

>> YOU DID SEE THE FRANKLIN DELEGATION WITH A LIST OF QUESTIONS AND IT'S THINGS LIKE IN OTHER STATES DID THIS HAPPEN THERE?

THEY WANT TO KNOW HOW GRID MODERNIZATION MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT.

AND RECOVER DAMAGED GOODS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

THAT'S NOT THE SAME AS AN OFFICIAL REGZ.

INVESTIGATION.

BUT THEY'RE REFLECTING CONCERNS IN THEIR CONSTITUENTS.

>> MOST OF IT IS PRETTY RELIABLE FOR THE MOST PART.

IT'S WHEN THESE BIG THINGS HAPPEN, THAT A FIRE STORM HITS.

>> I THINK THAT'S RELATIVE.

IN THE COMMUNITY I LIVE MOST PEOPLE HAVE GENERATORS BECAUSE WE LOSE POWER SO OFTEN.

AND THEY GAVE US THE EXPLANATION WAS TREE LIMBS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE.

BUT PEOPLE, WE LOSE A LOT OF POWER UP IN MY NECK OF THE WOODS.

NORTHEAST OFF McNORTON ROAD.

ALL THE PEOPLE THERE KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

>> IF YOU KNOW THE HISTORY TO 1999, THERE WAS A PROMISE THIS IS GOING TO LOWER PRICES AND IMPROVE SERVICE.

I'M NOT SURE EITHER ONE HAS HAPPENED.

THE INCENTIVE IS ON THE UTILITIES.

DON'T DO PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE.

WAIT UNTIL THE POLE OR TRANSFORMER BREAKS.

THEN REPLACE IT.

PART OF IT IS THE LEGISLATURE.

THEY CREATED DISINCENTIVES FOR PROPER MAINTENANCE.

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD DO THIS.

HOW DO YOU FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH PEOPLE SFLAUS SHOULD YOU REIMBURSE BUSINESSES FOR LOST BUSINESS AND PEOPLE FOR FOOD IN THEIR REFRIGERATOR?

>> IT WAS WELL, YOU NEED TO APPLY ON YOUR INSURANCE.

BUT SOME PEOPLE DON'T HAVE INSURANCE, PARTICULARLY IN POOR AREAS OR MARGINAL INSURANCE.

ORE YOU GOT TO PRODUCE PICTURES OF EVERYTHING YOU THREW OUT.

WE NEED THE SALES SLIPS OF HOW MUCH YOU PAID FOR IT, WHICH MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE.

>> AND IF YOU HAVE A $500 DEDUCTIBLE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE LOST A LOT OF GROCERIES.

>> I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ENCOURAGED TO DO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

>> LIKE WHEN WHEN THEY DON'T PLOW THE STREETS AFTER A SNOW STORM, MEMORIES FADE PRETTY QUICKLY.

>>> IN WASHINGTON, THE JANUARY 6th SELECT COMMITTEE CONTINUED ITS HEARINGS THIS WEEK.

THEY HEARD HOW FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS REPEATEDLY TOLD THE ELECTION WAS NOT STOLEN.

THEY CONTINUE TO PUSH A STRATEGY TO BLOCK OR REVERSE THE COUNTING OF ELECTORAL VOTES.

RETIRED FEDERAL JUDGE WHOOB ADVISED FORMER PRESIDENT PENCE WITH THIS WARNING.

>> ALMOST TWO YEARS AFTER THE FATEFUL DAY IN JANUARY, 2021.

THAT STILL DONALD TRUMP AND HIS ALLIES AND SUPPORTERS ARE A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER.

TO AMERICAN DEMOCRACY.

>> TERRY CASEY, ONE OF THOSE ALLIES IS J.D.

VANCE.

HE'S RUNNING FOR U.S. SENATE.

HE'S HINTED THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN.

DOES HE FACE ANY BLOWBACK FROM THE HEARINGS?

>> JIM JORDAN IS AN ACTIVE CONGRESSMAN WHO'S INVOLVED INCH SOME OF THE JANUARY 6th.

THE FEEDBACK I GET AND THE SENSE I GET IS PEOPLE HATE TRUMP, HATE HIM EVEN MORE AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE, THEY'RE MUCH BUSIER AND MORE FOCUSSED ON THE FUTURE IN TERMS OF INFLATION AND GASOLINE PRICES AND THINGS LIKE THE HOT SUMMER.

BUT ONE PREDICTION THAT A KEY PERSON TOLD ME IS WATCH THE LAST HEARING DATE BECAUSE IF THEY'RE SMART, THEY'VE SAVED SOMETHING REALLY GOOD TO LAY ON THE TABLE IN THE FINAL HEARING.

>> I DISAGREE EWITH YOU.

I THINK PEOPLE WHO ARE WORRIED ABOUT IF THE NEXT PRESIDENT WILL TAKE -- WILL DESTROY THIS COUNTRY.

PEOPLE WORRY IF THE REPUBLICANS TAKE OVER THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE, WHAT TYPE OF LEGISLATION THEY'RE GOING TO CREATE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S DOLLARS AND CENTS.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF THIS COUNTRY.

MY ANALOGY IS YOU WANT TO DESTROY THE GOOSE THAT THAT LAID THE GOLDEN EGG?

DO YOU WANT US TO BE A DEMOCRACY?

DO YOU WANT US TO LOSE ALL OUR REASON?

AND IF YOU LOSE THE DEMOCRACY, THAT MONEY YOU MAKE WON'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

A COUPLE OF PEOPLE SAID THEY'LL COME FOR BLACK PEOPLE.

BUT EVENTUALLY THEY'LL GET TO YOU TOO.

>> YOU WROTE THIS WEEK ABOUT HOW MIKE DEWINE WAS DOING POLITICAL STUFF WITH MIKE PENCE THIS WEEK.

HE'S DONE A GOOD JOB KEEPING DONGLED TRUMP AT ARM'S LENGTH BUT NOT GETTING ON HIS BAD SIDE.

AND FUNDRAISERS WITH MIKE PENCE, AN INTERESTING MOVE.

>> IT'S LIKE A VICTORIAN NOVEL AND YOU HAVE TO INTERPRET ERRANT GLANCES.

MIKE PENCE SET IT UP SO HE WAS IN OHIO.

IT WAS AN OIL AND GAS EVENT IN CINCINNATI.

AND DID A PRIVATE FUNDRAISER.

PENCE IS DEFINITELY -- HE'S ALMOST BEEN RUNNING FOR OFFICE IN OHIO IS THE SECOND TIME HE'S BEEN HERE IN THE LAST SIX MUJS.

HE'S BROKEN WITH THEM OVER THE ELECTION AND HOW ALL THAT WENT DOWN.

IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE DEWINE APPEAR WITH THEM.

I DID SOMETHING WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON FOR SURE.

IT'S AMAZING FOR DEMOCRATS, WHEN HE WAS VICE PRESIDENT, HE WAS TERRIBLE BUT NOW HE'S BEEN ELEVATED TO SAINT HOOD.

IT'S PART OF THE SHIFTING POLITICAL SCENARIO THAT, WHEN AN ITEM IS GOOD FOR YOUR POLITICAL PURPOSE, YOU USE IT.

>> TERRY, IT'S CALLED POLITICS.

>> I UNDERSTAND.

>> AND AN INTERESTING PIECE I THOUGHT WAS A PIECE OF RESISTANCE IS THAT EVERYONE WHO SPOKE WAS A REPUBLICAN, NOT A DEMOCRAT GAVE ANY TESTIMONY.

NOW, DO PEOPLE REALLY SEE THAT?

SO, WHEN THEY SAY IT WAS A BIASSED GROUP OF PEOPLE AND DEMOCRATS ARE HAVING THE CIRCUS, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO SAY ABOUT ALL THESE REPUBLICANS WHO TESTIFY?

>> THEY WERE SMART.

THEY HAD AN ABC PRODUCER ORCHESTRATED AND THAT MADE IT MORE CREDIBLE.

>> DOES IT THOUGH?

IT'S VERY PRODUCED.

WE'RE NOT SEEING CROSS EXAMINATION OF THE WITNESSES.

IT'S VERY SCRIPTED.

THEY'RE READING FROM TELEPROMPTERS.

DO YOU THINK VOTERS SEE THAT?

DO THEY CARE?

>> YOU KNOW, IT'S REAL ANOT TO DOWN PLAY ALL THE STUFF.

I THINK GAS PRICES RISING, ALL THAT STUFF.

THAT'S FRONT OF MIND FOR PEOPLE.

WELL SEE IF THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING WHEN THE AUCTION IS APPROACHING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

THIS IS HARD FOR ME TO SEE, ESPECIALLY SINCE PARTISANSHIP INFLUENCES THE STUFF WE'LL SEE ELECTORALLY.

>> I DISAGREE WITH YOU TOO.

I'M GOING TO SAY THE MEDIA CREATES THIS HYSTERIA ABOUT INFLATION, GAS AND ALL OF THAT.

I THINK IN THE BACK OF PEOPLE'S MINDS, IF SOMETHING GOES DOWN BAD, WHO IS GOING TO BE IN CHARGE OF THIS COUNT SFLAE WHO IS GOING TO HELP ME OUT?

I GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

BARACK OBAMA'S SECOND ELECTION, PEOPLE WERE SAYING ALL THESE THINGS BUT THEY STILL ELECT HIM.

>> IT'S INTERESTING TODAY WAS TIM RYAN WAS AT THE OHIO STATE HOUSE FOR AN EVENT.

AND A REPORTER ASKED IF HE THOUGHT TRUMP SHOULD BE CHARGED OVER JANUARY 6th.

YOU MAY THINK RYAN IS TRYING TO GET TRUMP SUPPORTERS TO VOTE FOR HIM.

AND HE SAID YEAH, I THINK HE SHOULD.

IT WAS EMPHATIC.

>> OUR NEXT TALK IN WASHINGTON, LAWMAKERS GET READY TO PASSES THE FIRST FEDERAL GUN RESTRICTIONS IN 28 YEARS.

AND MONDAY, IN OHIO, NO MORE SPECIAL PERMITS OR TRAINING EREQUIREMENTS TO CARRY A GUN.

GOVERNOR DEWINE PASSED FOR TEACHERS TRAINING HOURS TO CARRY A GUN IN SCHOOL TO 24 HOURS.

AND A GROUP OF SENATORS REACHED AGREEMENT ON OFFERING STATES INCENTIVES TO PASS SO-CALLED RED FLAG LAWS.

U.S.

SENATOR, ROB PORTMAN IS AT LEAST ONE OF TEN REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE SIGNED OFF ON THAT DEAL.

CONGRESS MODESTLY TIGHTENS UP ON GUNS.

OHIO LOOSENS THEM.

SHOWS YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW THOSE TWO ORGANIZATIONS AND ENTITIES ARE GOING.

>> MIKE DEWINE RAN FOR OFFICE AND IN THE U.S. SENATE, HE SUPPORTED THE WEAPONS BAN.

HE LOST THE ELECTION IN 2006.

I THINK HE LOOKS BACK ON THAT AND THINKS SOME OF THE BACKLASH GOT THE TO THAT.

HE WAS VERY CLOSE WITH THE GUN LOBBY.

HE SIGNED SEVERAL BILLS SINCE HE BECAME GOVERNOR, BASICALLY LOOSENING GUN RESTRICTIONS.

AND SHOW POLITICS AND LIKE YOU SAID ROB PORTMAN WAS ON BOARD.

B MAYBE HE VIEWS IT AS A POLITICAL GALLERY ALMOST.

>> HE'S NOT RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION.

WOULD HE SIGN ON TO THIS IF HE WERE ON THE BALLOT THIS FALL?

>> DEPENDS IF IT'S A PRIMARY OR GENERAL EELECTION.

THINGS SEEM TO BE STALLED IN THE NATION'S CAPITOL ON THE BILL BUT PART OF IT YOU GET THE TO THE DETAILS OF HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO RED FLAG CHECKS?

WHAT AUTHORITY AND DO YOU HAVE DUE PROCESS IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY SOMEBODY'S GUN THAT MIGHT BE A RISK?

AND SIMANTICS MATTER BECAUSE "WASHINGTON POST," DONE A LOT OF POLLING IN OHIO, NOTED IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GUN SAFETY, PEOPLE LOOK AT IT DIFFERENT THAN GUN CONTROL.

PART OF IT IS SEMANTICS.

POLLS SHOW ONE OR THE OTHER THING, DEPENDING WHAT QUESTION YOU ASK.

FOR IT'S COMPLICATED TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS AND HOW DO YOU MAKE IT EFFECTIVE BECAUSE THE ASSAULT GUN BAN PASS ALLOWED A BUNCH OF LOOPHOLES AND RESET AFTER TEN YEARS.

MAYBE THEY SHOULD HAVE PAID MORE ATTENTION WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY PASSED IT.

>> DEMOCRATS HAVE SAID YOU HAVE TO GIVE US SOMETHING WITH MEAT ON THE BONES.

ALL THE DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS SO FAR SAY WE'LL TAKE IT BECAUSE IT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING.

>> I'M AN INDEPENDENT AND LIBERAL.

I THINK IT WAS A WASTE OF TIME.

TLRS BIG THINGS THAT NEED TO DEALT WITH.

18-YEAR-OLDS PURCHASING AUTOMATIC WEAPONS.

WE CAN FIGURE OUT PROBLEMS WITH RED FLAG LAWS, WE ECAN.

AT THIS STAGE, PEOPLE IN THE COLOR COMMUNITY, ARE REALLY CONCERNED.

THEY'RE PACKING NOW DAYS BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN GO TO THE GROCERY STORE AND GET BACK HOME.

THEY DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN GET ON AND GET BACK HOME.

AND THIS WEEK FOUR MORE SHOOTINGS OF PEOPLE.

SO, THE BIGGEST AND THE BLACK, WHITE NATIONALIST HAS BEEN UNLEASHED.

SO, WE WANT IT.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THIS, IT'S NOT A SUSTAINABLE STRATEGY LONG TERM.

WE'RE GOING TO GET EVENTUALLY.

>> THIS PACKAGE, IF APPROVED AND PASSED INTO LAW WILL OFFER INCENTIVES TO PASS RED FLAG LAWS.

HOW BIG AN INCENTIVE WILL IT TAKE TO PASSES A RED FLAG SFLAU >> I DID ASK MIKE DEWINE ABOUT THIS, THIS WEEK AND I'D SAY HIS GENERAL ANSWER IS THAT THERE'S NO LEGISLATION TO STUDY.

SO, IT'S A STIFF ARM ANSWER.

HE DID EMPHASIZE WHEN HE PROPOSED A PACKAGE OF GUN REFORMS, IT DID NOT INCLUDE A QUOTE/UNQUOTE RED FLAG LAW.

PRRS MAYBE HE'S KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN.

TOO EARLY TO SAY.

>> AND A LOT OF THE REALLY PRO-GUN RIGHTS STATES.

>> EXAMPLE IN THE DATE AND SHOOTING, PART OF THE PROBLEM WAS LOCAL SCHOOL PEOPLE KNEW OF THE INDIVIDUAL.

THERE WERE SERIOUS PROBLEMS AND THREATS.

BUT NOBODY WANTED TO BLOW THE WHISTLE.

SO, WHATEVER YOU COME UP WITH ON PAPER, HOW DO YOU MAKE IT WORK WITH SCHOOL OFFICIALS?

WHO'S MONITORING SOCIAL MEDIA?

WHO'S GOING TO PULL THE TRIGGER TO TAKE THE GUNS AWAY FROM PEOPLE AT RISK THAT WAY?

>> ARMING TEACHERS IS MORE SYMBOLIC.

THEY POLLED SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND NONE OF THEM ARE GOING TO HAVE GUNS IN THE SCHOOLS.

>> NO.

IT'S A BIGGER PROBLEM BY HAVING ALL THE GUNS IN THE SCHOOLS WITH UNTRAINED PEOPLE HOLDING HEM.

I SAID SOMETHING ON YOUR LAST SHOW THAT REALLY GOT A RIPPLE IN MY COMMUNITY.

I KNOW HOW TO GET RID OF THE GUN LAWS.

I'LL GIVE 175,000 BLACK MEN AR-15s AND 2,000 ROUNDS A MONTH.

GUESS WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE LAWS?

>> IN CALIFORNIA IS WHERE THEY FIRST CRACKED DOWN.

>> THEY'RE GOING TO PROHIBIT YOU FROM PASSING OUT THE LATE GUNS.

>> THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN CALIFORNIA IN THE LATE '60s.

AND J.D.

VANCE CALLED HIS OPPONENT A TRUMP DEMOCRAT.

LOOK WHO IS EMBRACING THE TITLE.

>> I LOVE SERVING MY COMMUNITY AS SHERIFF.

SO, WHEN J.D.

VANCE CALLS LAW ENFORCEMENT CORRUPT, IT MAKES ME ANGRY.

THAT MAKES MY JOB HARDER.

SO DOES J.D.

'S PLAN TO COMBAT AN AGENCY THAT COMBATS VIOLENT DRUG TRAFFICKERS.

HE'S BROUGHT BACK MONEY TO PUT GOOD COPS ON THE STREETS.

>> MY MOM RAISED US ON OUR OWN.

THIS WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD FELT LIKE FAMILY.

SO WHB OBAMA'S TRADE DEAL THREATENED JOBS, I VOTED AGAINST IT AND WITH TRUMP ON TRADE.

I DON'T ANSWER TO ANY POLITICAL PARTY.

>> SAM GRESHAM STIFF ARMING BARACK OBAMA.

WILL THAT STRATEGY WORK?

>> THE PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY ARE SAYING AGAIN HE'LL GET TO US LAST AND HE'LL COME OUT WITH SOME SPOT FOR US LAST.

THERE'S A REAL CONCERN FROM CLEVELAND TO CINCINNATI ABOUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN.

EWE GO OUT AND VOTE FOR HIM, HE MAY BE EA DEMOCRAT BUT IS HE EA MANCHIN DEMOCRAT?

AND USUALLY IN THE CAMPAIGN, THERE'S A BLACK PERSON YOU CAN GO TO DO GET IN THERE.

HE HASN'T DONE THAT.

SO, WE'RE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT WHAT THIS MEANS TO OUR COMMUNITY.

>> OBVIOUSLY GOING FOR THE MIDDLE, THE MODERAL REPUBLICANS WHO DON'T LIKE TRUMP AND MODERAL DEMOCRATS WHO SWITCHED FROM OBAMA TO PRESIDENT TRUMP.

THAT'S HIS STRATEGY.

BUT IT COULD BACKFIRE.

>> IT'S IMPORTANT FOR A MESSAGE TO BE AUTHENTIC.

BOTH CANDIDATES, THEIR VIEWS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS.

IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S THE SAME EXACTLY.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE CONSISTENT.

LIKE I SAID EARLIER I ASKED RYAN IF HE THINKS THAT TRUMP SHOULD BE CHARGED AND HE SAID THAT YES.

BASICALLY HE SHOULD.

AND IN THAT CASE, HE'S NOT JUST PANDERING.

I THINK YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU KEEP IT STRAIGHT.

LIKE I SAID IT COMES BACK TO AUTHENTICITY.

>> AND THAT HAS WORKED FOR REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES.

>> IN SOME WAYS.

AND HE'S ATTACKING PRESIDENT OBAMA AND OTHER DEMOCRATS WHO HAVE BEEN FOR THE MORE LIBERAL POSITIONS.

I'D SAY TIMING IS THE KEY FACTOR BECAUSE WHAT YOU SPEND ON TV IN LATE MAY AND JUNE, DO YOU HAVE THE MONEY TO SUSTAIN IT ALL THROUGH THE SUMNER TO THE FALL BECAUSE PEOPLE'S ATTENTION SPANS ARE SHORT?

I THINK HE'S TRYING TO PUMP UP HIS POLLING IN ORDER TO TRACK NATIONAL MONEY BUT HIS DIFFICULTY IS OHIO HAVE A TOUGH STATE UPHILL AND THERE'S OTHER STATES THAT ARE CHEAPER TO RUN A CAMPAIGN IN WHERE THEY'VE GOT A BETTER CHANCE.

SO, HE'S TRYING BUT I THINK FROM A TIMING STANDPOINT, I DON'T THINK HE'S GOT THE MONEY TO SUSTAIN IT INTO THE SUMMER AND FALL.

>> I THINK YOU HAVE A GOOD POINT.

BUT I WONDER ON THIS APPROACH THAT HE'S GONE SO FAR TO THE RIGHT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IN THE BIG CITIES.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT LIBERALS DO, BLACK PEOPLE DO, UNLESS HE MODERATES IT SOMEHOW AND WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE A PART OF HIS CAMPAIGN.

>> J.D.

VANCE IS NOT ON TV.

HE'S DOING INTERVIEWS ON CONSERVATIVE OUTLETS.

HE'S SAVING HIS MONEY RAISING MONEY.

>> WE KNOW HE'S RAISING MONEY AND RETIRING DEBT FROM THE PRIMARY ELECTION.

IT'S LIKELY TO BE A REPUBLICAN YEAR.

SO, LETS SIT TIGHT AND LET THINGS HAPPEN.

HE'S TRYING TO DO WHAT HE CAN EARLIER.

AL SO, RI -- VANCE DEFINITELY KEEPING QUIET, KEEPING HIS HEAD DOWN AND MOSTLY DOING INTERVIEWS ON OUTLETS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY THINGS THAT MATTER TO OHIO, PER SE.

>> THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON BETWEEN THE WEATHER, THE SUMMER, INFLATION, INTEREST RATES.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE HEARINGS?

>> GIVING VOTERS THE REST ISN'T ALL BAD BECAUSE THE PRIMARY WAS SO INTENSE AND SO LOUD THAT A LITTLE BIT OF CALM OVER THE SUMMER.

A LOT OF THE PUBLIC IS HAPPY NOT TO PAY AS MUCH ATTENTION.

THAT'S WHY JANUARY 6th, THE RATINGS HAVE FALLEN OFF TREMENDOUSLY.

THERE IS INTEREST INITIALLY BUT NOT SUSTAINED.

>> THIS IS A STATEMENT I WANT TO SAY FOR A LONG TIME.

DID THEY REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON, ON THE 6th OR DO THEY REALLY CARE?

>> I THING THEY HAVE TO RUN A BALANCED CAMPAIGN.

THEY HAVE TO TALK ABOUT KITCHEN TABLE ISSUES BUT THEY HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE OF HOW DO WE SUSTAIN THIS COUNTRY SNE WHAT'S OVER THE HILL?

WHAT'S OVER THE VALLEY?

HOW DO WE COME TOGETHER AND SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS.

I DON'T THINK A REPUBLICAN -- I'M A LIBERAL, ALMOST A RADICAL.

A REPUBLICAN CONTROL OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE IS HEALTHY FOR THIS COUNTRY.

I DON'T REALLY DO.

>> LAST WORD.

>> IF SAM'S ARGUMENT IS TO BE USED, THERE'S THE ARGUMENT OF WE HAVE TO STOP BIDEN AND HIS BAD POLICIES.

HE COULD STILL VETO ANYTHING THAT THE HOUSE AND SENATE REPUBLICANS WILL PASS.

>> WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME FOR THAT.

>> LET'S GET TO OUR OFF THE RECORD FINAL PARTY SHOTS.

>> I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT AUGHT TO MY WIFE, PENNY.

TODAY, JUNE 17th, IS OUR 50th WEDDING ANNIVERSARY.

IN POLITICS AND THE MEDIA, LOTS OF UPS AND DOWNS AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING AND SUPPORTIVE SPOUSE.

I FORTUNATELY HAVE ONE THAT'S PUT WITH A LOT.

SO, I THANK HER.

>> I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT A SIMPLE POLITICAL IDEOLOGY.

THE PEOPLE WHO MAY WIN WANT TO DESTROY DEMOCRACY IN THIS COUNTRY.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S A FORMULA FOR CIRC SES.

>> I HAVE A STORY I PUBLISHED ABOUT HOW MIKE DEWINE HAS PLANNED TO USE FEDERAL MONEY AND HE'S TAKING CREDIT FOR SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY WHEN IT'S SOMETHING DEMOCRATS PASSED IN THE FIRST PLACE AND HE OPPOSED.

AND HE'S USING IT TO SAY HE'S FUNDING THE POLICE, NOT DEFUNDING THE POLICE.

THE IRONY.

>> AND WE WERE HOSTING A DELEGATION OF PRESS OFFICERS FROM EUROPEAN UNION COUNTRIES.

THEY CAME TO THE STUDIOS AND ALWAYS HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT OHIO POLITICS.

NOT SURE WHY THAT IS.

GREAT HAVE HIM.

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