>>> NOW, FOR A LITTLE ADVENTURE.

OUR NEXT GUEST IS ENCOURAGING EVERYONE TO RECONNECT WITH NATURE.

AUTHOR AND ACTIVIST BARATUNDE THURSTON IS BACK WITH A NEW SEASON OF "AMERICA OUTDOORS."

EXPLORING HOW WE INTERACT WITH THE WORLD AROUND US.

AND HE JOINS HARI TO DISCUSS HIS TRAVELS AND THE LESSONS HE'S LEARNING.

>> CHRISTIANE, THANK YOU.

BARATUNDE THURSTON, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

THIS IS THE SECOND SEASON OF YOUR PROGRAM.

WHAT IS "AMERICA OUTDOORS," WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO WITH IT THAT, SAY, HASN'T BEEN DONE?

>> "AMERICA OUTDOORS" IS A SHOW THAT EXPLORES OUR DEEP CONNECTION TO NATURE.

WE SPEND TIME WITH A REALLY DIVERSE ARRAY OF AMERICANS WHO WORK IN THE OUTDOORS, WHO PLAY IN THE OUTDOORS, WHO INTERACT AND HAVE A DEEP RELATIONSHIP WITH NATURE AND HELPS TELL THE STORY OF WHO WE ARE THROUGH THE PLACES WE'RE CONNECTED TO.

MY NAME IS BARATUNDE THURSTON.

I'M A WRITER, ACTIVIST, SOMETIMES COMEDIAN.

AND I'M ALL ABOUT TELLING A BETTER STORY OF US.

WOW!

THIS COUNTRY IS WILD.

AND ITS NATURAL LANDSCAPES ARE AS DIVERSE AS ITS PEOPLE.

>> YOU START THIS SEASON, I DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL I WAS WATCHING A PREVIEW OF THE PROGRAM, THAT -- WHAT IS IT, THE LONGEST-RUNNING SORT OF -- YOU HAD A PHRASE -- >> IT'S A WILD RIVER.

>> YEAH.

>> SOMETIMES THESE RIVERS GET WILD, HARI, AND WE GOT TO KEEP THEM THAT WAY.

WILD MEANS IT'S NOT DAMMED.

ITS COURSE HASN'T BEEN ALTERED.

SO, IT IS A TRULY OLD SCHOOL, WILD RIVER, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DEPEND ON IT.

A LOT OF FRESH WATER FOR 10 MILLION OR SO PEOPLE.

THE WAY IT STARTS UP IN THE SWAMP IN SOUTHEAST GEORGIA.

THERE'S PEOPLE WORKING TO PROTECT THAT SWAMP.

AND NOT DRAIN IT, TO KEEP ALL THE CARBON THAT ITS SEQUESTERS NATURALLY, IN PLACE, AS OPPOSED TO IN OUR ATMOSPHERE WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT WARMS THINGS UP.

THE RIVER CONNECTED AND GUIDED OUR EPISODE.

WE FLOWED DOWN RIVER FROM HEAD TO MOUTH IN THE LANGUAGE OF THAT GEOGRAPHY, AND STARTING OFF WITH REVEREND NIXON AND BEING PART OF A CHURCH SERVICE IN WHAT IS PROBABLY THE GREATEST CHURCH, RIGHT, IS EARTH, VERY SPIRITUAL, VERY POWERFUL PLACE, BUT HE FELT CALLED TO SAFEGUARD HIS HOME, TO SAFEGUARD THE NATURAL RESOURCE, AND TO SAFEGUARD, IN HIS WORDS, GOD'S CREATION.

AND SO, YOU HAVE THIS OVERLAP OF RELIGIOUS CONNECTION AND CLIMATE ACTION, WHICH IS NOT THE COMMON IMAGE OF EITHER COMMUNITY IN THIS COUNTRY.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE DOING SCIENCE ON THE RIVER, YOU HAVE PEOPLE ON THE LAND, YOU HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE JUST PLAYING AND LOVING WHAT IT MEANS TO BE IN NORTH FLORIDA AND WHAT IT MEANS TO BE PART OF THIS RIVER, AND TO SEE THIS RIVER -- >> YEAH.

YOU GET TO GO TO A STATE THAT SORT OF MAKES YOU NOW, WHAT, YOU'VE HIT ALL 48, AFTER YOU'VE HIT ARKANSAS.

>> YEAH, ARKANSAS, THIS SEASON, THAT WAS -- I'VE BEEN EVERYWHERE IN THE LOWER 48, EXCEPT FOR ARKANSAS, AND I CAN COMPLETE THE SET.

>> SO, WHAT WAS INTRIGUING TO YOU ABOUT THE KINDS OF -- THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF EXPERIENCES THAT YOU HAD?

BECAUSE IN ONE PART OF THAT EPISODE, YOU WERE OUT THERE SKEET SHOOTING.

TALK ABOUT HOW YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GUNS HAS BEEN VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE PEOPLE YOU ARE SKEET SHOOTING WITH.

>> IF I'M GOING TO EXPERIENCE THE OUTDOOR CULTURE IN ARKANSAS, I SHOULD EXPERIENCE THE GUN CULTURE, TOO.

BUT I ADMIT, THAT MAKES ME UNEASY.

GUNS ARE A BIG PART OF OUTDOOR LIFE IN AMERICA, THERE'S NO DENYING IT, BUT THEY'RE NOT A BIG PART OF MY LIFE.

SO, I'M GOING TO NEED TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND.

I GREW UP IN THE '80s IN WASHINGTON, D.C., WHEN IT WASN'T JUST THE NATION'S CAPITAL, IT WAS THE NATION'S MURDER CAPITAL.

MY FATHER WAS A VICTIM OF ONE OF THOSE GUN MURDERS.

AND SO, I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF LOVE INTRINSICALLY FOR FIREARMS.

I WOULDN'T SAY I HAVE DEEP HATE, BUT I'M VERY DISTANT FROM IT.

WE SEE THE HEADLINES AND A LOT OF US LIVE THE REALITY OF VARIOUS FORMS OF GUN VIOLENCE, SO, IT'S BEEN LARGELY A NEGATIVE IDEA OUTSIDE OF SOME FUN WITH SOME ACTION MOVIES, WATCHING, NOT STARRING IN.

SO, TO BE IN ARKANSAS, TO BE WITH AN OLYMPIAN, FOR WHOM THIS IS A SPORT, CONVERSATIONISTS, A FAMILY RITUAL AND TRADITION -- WE GOT TO SPEND TIME -- THIS IS THE HEART OF THE SHOW, MOMENTS LIKE THIS, WHERE PEOPLE WHO CLEARLY COME FROM SOME DIFFERENT POLITICAL, SOCIAL PERSPECTIVES, CAN SHARE ACTUAL COMMON GROUND.

WE'RE STANDING ON THE SAME EARTH.

WE'RE ON THE SAME PLOT OF LAND.

AND WE'RE IN RELATIONSHIP WITH EACH OTHER BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO IN RELATIONSHIP WITH NATURE.

AND IN THAT ENVIRONMENT, THAT'S LIKE A SAFE CONTAINER TO HAVE THOUGHTFUL EXCHANGES, AND ONES THAT GET WELL BEYOND THE TALKING POINTS.

SO, I LEARNED SOMETHING IN THAT EXCHANGE.

THE PEOPLE I WAS SHOOTING WITH LEARNED SOMETHING IN THAT EXCHANGED.

AND I THINK WE WERE, BOTH SIDES, NOT ON A SEPARATE SIDE, NECESSARILY, WEER WITH WERE HUMAN TOGETHER, WE WERE AMERICANS TOGETHER, AND I MIGHT ADD, I WAS SHOOTING PRETTY GOOD, WHICH HELPED.

>> YEAH, SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS INTERESTING TO ME WAS ALSO THAT YOU SHARED THAT HISTORY ABOUT YOUR FATHER TO THE CAMERA, TO THE AUDIENCE.

WHY WAS THAT IMPORTANT?

>> I LOVE BREAKING EXPECTATION.

AND I LOVE THE IDEA OF TAKING WHAT COULD BE A SHOW ABOUT NATURE AND MAKING IT A SHOW ABOUT PEOPLE.

THIS IS -- THIS IS AMERICA, LONG PAUSE, OUTDOORS.

AND WHEN WE INVEST IN THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH NATURE AND WITH EACH OTHER, ON THAT SHARED FOUNDATION OF NATURE, WE CAN FIND A BIT MORE AMERICA.

WE CAN FIND A BIT MORE IN COMMON.

WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE DISAGREEING, BUT FOR ME TO SHARE THAT PART OF MYSELF FELT VERY IMPORTANT, BECAUSE IT HELPS ME CONNECT WITH THE PEOPLE I'M IN THE FIELD WITH, AND ULTIMATELY, THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T GET TO TRAVEL AROUND TO ALL THESE STATES WITH ALL THESE RESOURCES AND ALL THIS SAFETY LIKE I DO.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A REALLY PRIVILEGED POSITION TO BE ABLE TO DROP INTO SOME OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL, MOST ANCIENT, MOST INDIGENOUS, MOST JOYFUL, MOST REGENERATIVE, LIKE, ALL KINDS OF SCENES THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO BE APART OF, COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE LET ME IN WITH TRUST.

SO, THEY'RE GOING TO TRUST SOMETHING WITH ME, I'M GOING TO TRUST, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WITH THEM, AND WE'RE TRUSTING OURSELVES IN THAT CASE.

>> YOU WERE SLEEPING OUT UNDER THE STARS ONE NIGHT, WAITING FOR THE SUN TO RISE, IN, IT LOOKS LIKE, A SPECTACULAR SETTING.

TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS MOMENT, THESE MOMENTS THAT YOU HAD IN NEW MEXICO.

>> YO, NEW MEXICO IS SO MUCH MORE THAN I THOUGHT IT WAS.

A LOT OF THIS SHOW IS JUST ME SAYING, "WHOA," LIKE, A LOT.

IT WAS IN A PLACE CALLED CHACO CANYON, THIS IS A VERY OLD PLACE THAT WAS OCCUPIED BY PEOPLE WHO WERE HERE BEFORE THE EUROPEAN COLONIZERS ARRIVED.

AND THEY DESIGNED THEIR CITY IN THIS REGION IN PERFECT ALIGNMENT WITH THE STARS.

THEY WERE ATTUNED TO THE UNIVERSE.

AND I REFLECTED IN NEW MEXICO, TIME MEANS SOMETHING.

IT'S A VERY OLD, OLD PLACE.

WE THINK OF AMERICA AS A YOUNG COUNTRY, AND IT IS A YOUNG CONSTRUCT, BUT IT'S OLD LAND.

AND THERE'S PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR FAR LONGER THAN OUR CONSTITUTIONAL MODERN VERSION WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE.

SO, TO SIT AROUND THE STARS, TO LOOK UP AT THE MILKY WAY, THAT WE'RE ALSO INSIDE OF, IS MIND-BLOWING.

HUMBLING.

>> YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN, I THINK THE EPISODE IN OREGON, WHERE YOU WERE LITERALLY CLIMBING UP A TREE ON A ROPE WITH AN EXPERT, AND YOU HAD AN INTENSE MOMENT, AND THEN YOU KIND OF LET THE CAMERA AND THE AUDIENCE IN ON IT WHEN YOU GOT BACK DOWN.

AND THAT WAS KIND OF AN EVEN BIGGER MOMENT FOR PEOPLE WATCHING THE SHOW.

TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, AND WHY IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO JUST BE OPEN AND HONEST AT THAT MOMENT?

>> YEAH.

IT CAN BE -- IT WOULD BE EASY TO MAKE A POSTCARD SHOW, WHERE WE CELEBRATE NATURAL FEATURES AND BEAUTIFUL ANIMALS AND MAJESTIC CREATURES.

IT WOULD BE EASY TO MAKE A CELEBRATORY SHOW, WHERE EVERYTHING ABOUT THE OUTDOORS IS GREAT.

NATURE'S GREAT, CAMPING IS GREAT, CAMPFIRE, IT'S ALL JUST WONDERFUL.

BUT IT WOULD NOT BE A TRUE SHOW.

AND THE TRUTH IS, THERE'S MORE TO NATURE THAN LANDSCAPES, AND ANIMALS, WE'RE PART OF IT.

NATURE SOMETIMES HURTS.

IT HURTS.

IT'S BEEN USED TO HURT.

AND SO, YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD ACCIDENTS IN NATURE.

TAKEN TERRIBLE FALLS, BROKEN PARTS OF THEMSELVES OR THEIR EYE DENTTIES.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN FORCED TO WORK AND FORTUNED AND MURDERED AND SLAUGHTERED IN NATURE.

THAT'S THE HISTORY OF A BIG GROUP OF US IN THIS COUNTRY.

SO, TO JUST BE LIKE, YEAH, LET'S GO OUT TO THE FOREST, I MEAN, THE FOREST IS THE SCENE OF THE CRIME, AS WELL.

AND THE EXCLUSION THAT MANY PEOPLE HAVE EXPERIENCED IN THE OUTDOORS CAN MAKE IT A TROUBLING, UNSAFE, UNWELCOME, NONJOYFUL PLACE.

I WAS CLIMBING THIS TREE, IT'S 80 FOOT TALL MAPLE.

WHEN YOU CLIMB A TREE THAT BIG, YOU ARE NOT CLIMBING THE TREE, YOU ARE CLIMBING A ROPE PARALLEL TO THE TREE THAT'S LOOPED ON A HIGH BRANCH.

AND I WAS WITH THIS BEAUTIFUL MAN, AND HE REALLY HELD A GREAT SPACE FOR ME, BECAUSE ABOUT HALFWAY UP, I JUST HAD TO STOP.

AND IT WASN'T MERELY THE HEIGHT.

THE HEIGHTS HAD A LITTLE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT, THAT WAS HIGHER THAN I HAD EVER CLIMBED ANYTHING, BUT MORE THAN THAT, IT WAS KIND OF MEMORY AND A RECOGNITION OF THE SETTING.

OF BEING A BLACK AMERICAN, BEING A BLACK MAN, IN A TREE, WITH A ROPE, AND NOT WANTING TO GO ANY FURTHER.

JUST ACKNOWLEDGING HISTORY, PAIN, TRAUMA, AND REALLY FEELING IT.

AND I WASN'T ABLE TO UNDERSTAND IT AS IT HAPPENED, I JUST THOUGHT, I'M TIRED, I'M HURTING, THERE'S SOME EMOTIONAL BLOCK, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT I'M NOT PUSHING MYSELF BEYOND THIS POINT.

SO, WHAT I END UP SHARING IN THIS EPISODE, AND PEOPLE SHOULD REALLY WATCH THIS, I WON'T REPEAT IT, BECAUSE IT WAS FOR THE MOMENT, I -- I SHARED WITH YOU EVERYTHING I WAS FEELING AND GOING THROUGH.

AND THAT FELT IMPORTANT TO DO.

>> SO, DUSTIN, THE MAN YOU WERE WITH IN THAT TREE.

WHEN YOU STARTED WALKING AROUND IN THE FOREST, WHAT WAS INTERESTING WAS THAT YOU STARTLED TO SEE THE OUTDOORS AS A PLACE FOR HEALING.

AND IT'S KIND OF A THROUGH LINE THAT I SAW IN SO MANY DIFFERENT EPISODES THAT YOU HAD, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, TEACHING FOSTER CHILDREN HOW TO FLY FISH IN A STREAM, OR IT'S, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DEALING WITH SUBSTANCE ABUSE ISSUES SNOWSHOEING IN MAINE, OR YOU AND THE OTHER FOLKS THAT WERE JUST LITERALLY INHALING THE FOREST, THAT THERE IS KIND OF A -- AND IT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT CIVILIZATIONS AND SOCIETIES HAVE KNOWN FOR SO LONG, THAT THERE IS A HEALING CAPACITY TO NATURE, BUT TO ACTUALLY SEE IT AT WORK IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

>> WE KNOW SO MUCH ALREADY, OUR INTUITION IS PRETTY GOOD, BUT WE FORGET.

AND SO, THIS SHOW HAS HELPED ME REMEMBER THINGS I'VE KNOWN AND HELPED ME FIND PEOPLE WHO HAVE REMEMBERED THINGS THEY'VE KNOWN, IS THAT NATURE CAN BE VERY HEALING.

LOUIE, I WAS WITH THIS BROTHER IN NEW MEXICO, RAFTING DOWN THE RIO GRANDE, HE'S POINTING OUT THE FEATURES OF NATURE, HE'S LIKE, IT'S MY PANTRY, IT'S MY ALTAR, IT'S MY CLASSROOM.

IT'S MY MEDICINE CABINET.

HE'S NOT SEEING TREES JUST AS TREES, HE'S SEEING HOW WE RELATE TO THEM AND WHAT THEY OFFER US.

YOU KNOW, WHICH IS TO BREATHE ON OUR BEHALF, BEYOND THE LUNGS IN OUR OWN BODIES.

AND SO, TO TAP INTO THE HEALING POWER OF NATURE, WHETHER IT'S A COLD PLUNGE IN MAINE, OR THE FOREST BATHING IN OREGON, OR THE COLLECTIVE TRAUMA WE EXPLORED IN THE ARKANSAS EPISODE AROUND THE SITE OF A VERY LARGE RACE MASSACRE IN U.S. HISTORY, BUT THE WAY THAT TOWN HAS TRIED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ITS CURRENT LEADERSHIP, IS TO USE ACCESS TO NATURE TO WRITE A DIFFERENT STORY.

>> YOU KNOW, I -- I HAD NO IDEA UNTIL I WATCHED THE EPISODE ABOUT A RACE MASSACRE IN ELAINE, ARKANSAS.

I MEAN, IT JUST REALLY NEVER SHOWED UP IN ANY OF MY HISTORY BOOKS.

TALK ABOUT THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE MAYOR.

>> WE MADE A VERY SNEAKY SHOW, HARI, YOU KNOW?

COME WATCH OUR NATURE SHOW, AND THEN GET HIT WITH INDIGENOUS LAND RIGHTS AND INCIDENTS THAT ARE NOT DOCUMENTED IN FORM AM EDUCATION ABOUT RACE MASSACRES, THE FOSTER CHILD SYSTEM, BECAUSE IT'S JUST PEOPLE.

AND SO, PART OF THE RELATIONSHIP THIS LAND IS A TRAUMATIC ONE.

AND IT IS HARD LITTLE CLEARER THAN IN A PLACE LIKE ELAINE, ARKANSAS, WHICH, IN THE SUMMER OF 1919 WAS THE PLACE OF ONE OF MANY RACE MASSACRES.

LET ME BE CLEAR WHEN I SAY RACE MASSACRE, I MEAN, WHITE AMERICANS DESCENDING ON BLACK COMMUNITIES AND DESTROYING THE PROPERTY AND MURDERING THE PEOPLE.

TULSA IS ONE OF THE MORE FAMOUS ONES.

AND WHAT HAPPENED IN ELAINE WAS LITERALLY AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE GREATER IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF PEOPLE KILLED.

I HAD NEVER HEARD OF IT.

AND RACE IS MY WHOLE THING.

I WROTE A BOOK CALLED "HOW TO BE BLACK."

I NEVER HEARD ABOUT THIS PART OF THE STORY UNTIL MAKING A NATURE SHOW.

AND SO, THAT HISTORY WAS BURIED PURPOSEFULLY, DEFLECTED PURPOSEFULLY.

THE MAYOR, FIRST BLACK MAYOR, FIRST WOMAN MAYOR, SHE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.

>> I ONLY LEARNED ABOUT IT 15 YEARS AGO.

AND I ONLY LEARNED ABOUT IT WHEN RESEARCHING A LOT, AND CAME HOME, ASKED MY GRANDMOTHER ABOUT IT.

>> YEAH.

>> AND SHE CONFIRMED THE STORIES WERE TRUE, AND I SPENT THE NEXT FIVE TO SIX YEARS GETTING THOSE STORIES OUT OF HERE ABOUT THE ELAINE MASSACRE.

>> SO, SHE'S TAKEN THE OPPORTUNITY THAT HAS COME WITH HER OWN STATUS AS MAYOR, WITH HER OWN STATUS AS A DESCENDANT OF THE VICTIMS OF THIS MASSACRE, AND WITH THE STATUS AS ELAINE SITTING ON THE DELTA HERITAGE TRAIL, THIS RAILS TO TRAIL BIKE PATH.

>> YOU KNOW, I GREW UP, I WAS FORTUNATE TO GROW UP, PROBABLY MIDDLE SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL, CAMPING AND BACKPACKING IN THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST, AND IT DEFINITELY CHANGED MY RELATIONSHIP WITH THE OUTDOORS.

ONE OF THE THINGS I STILL REMEMBER VIVIDLY WAS THAT THERE JUST WEREN'T THAT MANY PEOPLE OF COLOR OUT THERE.

MUCH LESS ON CAMERA, HOSTING PROGRAMS ABOUT THE OUTDOORS.

BUT I WONDER HOW YOU HAVE NAVIGATED THESE SPACES WHERE YOU MIGHT NOT BE WHO SOMEBODY EXPECTS WHEN THEY GET A CALL, HEY, THERE'S A PROGRAM OUT, THIS HOST IS GOING TO COME OUT TO YOU.

>> I NAVIGATE IT WITH JOY.

AND WITH CURIOSITY.

I GREW UP WITH A GOOD AMOUNT OF OUTDOOR ACCESS, AND I WAS WITH MY MOTHER, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY TWO BROWN FOLK IN SOME NECK OF THE WOODS, LIKE, LITERALLY, SOME NECK OF THE WOODS, AND IT'S JUST US AND MAYBE MY FRIEND REGGIE, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER ELSE IS GOING CAMPING WITH US, SO, I AM -- IT'S FAMILIAR TO FEEL UNFAMILIAR IN THESE SPACES.

I FOUND THAT AS WE'VE MADE THE SHOW, ESPECIALLY THE MORE WE'VE MADE THE SHOW, FOLKS HAVE A SENSE OF WHO I AM, AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO WITH THE SHOW, WITH PUBLIC MEDIA, THIS IS ALL OF OUR SHOW, TO SOME DEGREE, WE'RE TRYING TO REFLECT US BACK TO US IN A BEAUTIFUL, RESPECTFUL AND INTERESTING WAY.

AND SO, I FELT WELCOMED BY EVERYBODY WHO WE'VE HAD ON THE SHOW.

AS WE MOVE THROUGH SOME OF THESE SPACES, FOLKS WHO ARE NOT PART OF THE SHOW, THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS THE MOST WELCOMING.

THAT'S HUMANS, THAT'S PEOPLE.

THERE ARE FOLKS THAT WANT TO TAKE ISSUE AND MAKE SOME ASSUMPTIONS.

I'VE HAD THE BENEFIT BEING ABLE TO TRAVEL WITH OTHERS, AND SO, YOU KNOW, TO BE ONE OF THE FEW, OR, THE ONLY, DOES SOMETIMES COME WITH ACTUAL RISK, PHYSICAL RISK.

I'VE BEEN ABLE TO BE SHIELDED FROM SOME OF THE NEGATIVES OF THAT.

I'VE DEFINITELY ENJOYED THE BENEFIT OF MULTIPLE TYPES OF PEOPLE'S OPEN MINDS, AND I'VE GOTTEN A RESPECT FOR THE FOLKS THAT DON'T GET TO TRAVEL WITH A FILM CREW, AND HAVE SOME CHALLENGES THAT ARE NOT OF THEIR OWN MAKING, BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME INSECURITY ABOUT THEIR IDENTITY.

>> THE SHOW IS CALLED "AMERICA OUTDOORS," ON PBS STATIONS AROUND THE COUNTRY.

CHECK YOUR LOCAL LISTINGS.

BARATUNDE, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE NEW SERIES.

>>> NOW, MAKE SURE TO TUNE IN TOMORROW NIGHT FOR MY CONVERSATION WITH AUTHOR FRANKLIN FORD ABOUT HIS EAGERLY ANTICIPATED THE NEW BOOK "THE LAST POLITICIAN," TAKES US INSIDE THE FIRST TWO YEARS OF BIDEN'S PRESIDENCY.

HE TELLS ME THE PRESIDENT IS A CREATURE OF COMEBACKS, AND ALWAYS EXCEEDS EXPECTATIONS.

THAT'S TOMORROW NIGHT.

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