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line:85% position:31% size:68% LET'S WELCOME STEVE TRAGER.

line:85% position:14% size:30% [ APPLAUSE ] line:85% position:27% size:63% >> THANK YOU, SHELLY, AND line:85% position:27% size:63% GOOD EVENING TO EVERYONE.

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line:85% position:36% size:73% SO BEGINNING HIS JOURNALISTIC line:85% position:12% size:18% CAREER.

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line:85% position:50% size:80% PLEASE WELCOME HOME PERRY BACON.

line:85% position:14% size:30% [ APPLAUSE ] line:85% position:36% size:73% >> THAT WAS GREAT, THANK YOU!

line:85% position:33% size:70% STEVE, THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

line:85% position:44% size:78% SHELLEY, THANK YOU FOR INVITING line:85% position:13% size:20% ME HERE.

line:85% position:29% size:65% I ALSO WANTED TO RECOGNIZE line:85% position:44% size:78% BEFORE I START THREE PEOPLE FOR line:85% position:25% size:60% WHOM I THIS WOULD NOT BE line:85% position:22% size:55% POSSIBLE WITHOUT THEM.

line:85% position:40% size:75% PERRY SR., MY MOM CATHY BACON.

line:85% position:14% size:30% [ APPLAUSE ] line:85% position:25% size:60% AND I WANT YOU TO STAND.

line:85% position:24% size:58% [ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ] line:85% position:17% size:40% AND MY WIFE ANN.

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line:85% position:44% size:78% AND THIS IN CONTRAST TO TODAY'S line:85% position:18% size:45% MOST POPULAR SHOW.

line:85% position:33% size:70% AUDIENCE, YOU KNOW WHO THOSE line:85% position:14% size:28% PEOPLE ARE?

line:85% position:17% size:43% WHAT'S THAT SHOW?

line:85% position:22% size:55% "THE BIG BANG THEORY."

line:85% position:31% size:68% SO TODAY, 20 MILLION PEOPLE line:85% position:33% size:70% WATCH THE "BIG BANG THEORY."

line:85% position:40% size:75% 20 MILLION IS NOT A BAD NUMBER line:85% position:22% size:55% BUT POPULATION GROWTH.

line:85% position:29% size:65% IN OTHER WORDS, 30 MILLION line:85% position:36% size:73% PEOPLE WATCHED THE I COULD BY line:85% position:36% size:73% SHOW WHEN THE U.S. POPULATION line:85% position:17% size:40% WAS 240 MILLION.

line:85% position:36% size:73% I'LL SAVE THE NON-MATH PEOPLE line:85% position:40% size:75% SOME TIME HERE SO ABOUT 12% OF line:85% position:36% size:73% AMERICANS WATCHED ""THE COSBY line:85% position:12% size:18% SHOW"."

line:85% position:31% size:68% THIS IS A BIG NUMBER OF US.

line:85% position:36% size:73% ONE OF 8 WAS WATCHING A SHOW.

line:85% position:44% size:78% VERSUS TODAY, 20 MILLION PEOPLE line:85% position:44% size:78% WATCH "THE BIG BANG THEORY" BUT line:85% position:36% size:73% 320 MILLION OF US LIVE IN THE line:85% position:31% size:68% COUNTRY SO THINK ABOUT THIS line:85% position:17% size:40% COSBY SHOW, 12%.

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line:85% position:31% size:68% AND SO ANOTHER FACTOR HERE, line:85% position:36% size:73% YOU'RE SEEING THIS AROUND THE line:85% position:50% size:80% COUNTRY, AND I WON'T READ IT FOR line:85% position:44% size:78% YOU BUT NEWSPAPER SUBSCRIPTIONS line:85% position:36% size:73% GOING DOWN, NEWSPAPERS LAYING line:85% position:33% size:70% OFF PEOPLE IN LARGE NUMBERS.

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line:85% position:44% size:78% WE HAVE A LOT OF MEDIA CULTURE.

line:85% position:33% size:70% WE ALL USED TO READ THE SAME line:85% position:50% size:80% NEWSPAPERS AND WATCH SOME OF THE line:85% position:17% size:40% SAME TELEVISION.

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line:85% position:31% size:68% AND I WOULD SAY A CELEBRITY line:85% position:50% size:80% WHICH IS ENHANCED BY TECHNOLOGY.

line:85% position:24% size:58% WHAT DO I MEAN BY THAT?

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line:85% position:40% size:75% THAT'S TWITTER PAGE OF ONE KIM line:85% position:17% size:40% KARDASHIAN WEST.

line:85% position:40% size:75% , AND IT SHOWS THAT SHE HAS 50 line:85% position:27% size:63% MILLION PEOPLE FOLLOW HER line:85% position:13% size:20% UPDATES.

line:85% position:36% size:73% IF ONE OF THOSE, POLICE DON'T line:85% position:50% size:80% RAISE YOUR HAND AND LOOK DOWN IN line:85% position:12% size:15% SHAME.

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line:85% position:44% size:78% HE WAS IN ONE OF THE HOME ALONE line:85% position:12% size:18% MOVIES.

line:85% position:50% size:80% HE ALSO HOSTED A TELEVISION SHOW line:85% position:36% size:73% FOR A LONG TIME THAT'S RIGHT.

line:85% position:15% size:33% LOOK THAT UP.

line:85% position:40% size:75% ALSO WAS IN A TELEVISION SHOW.

line:85% position:44% size:78% HE HAD A LOT OF FAME AND MONEY, line:85% position:44% size:78% AND IN TODAY'S WORLD, THAT IS A line:85% position:27% size:63% GREAT PLATFORM TO RUN FOR line:85% position:13% size:25% PRESIDENT.

line:85% position:50% size:80% DEPRESSINGLY, 26 MILLION TWITTER line:85% position:40% size:75% FOLLOWERS, HALF AS MANY PEOPLE line:85% position:21% size:53% ARE FOLLOWING AS KIM.

line:85% position:14% size:28% DEPRESSING.

line:85% position:11% size:13% SO -- line:85% position:14% size:30% [ LAUGHTER ] line:85% position:18% size:45% YOU GET THE POINT.

line:85% position:50% size:80% DONALD TRUMP DID ONE OTHER SMART line:85% position:33% size:70% THING TO HIS CREDIT WHICH IS line:85% position:50% size:80% THAT DONALD TRUMP UNDERSTOOD OUR line:85% position:19% size:48% SYSTEM PRETTY WELL.

line:85% position:50% size:80% AND HE UNDERSTOOD THAT WE'VE HAD line:85% position:31% size:68% RICH BUSINESSMEN TO RUN FOR line:85% position:17% size:43% PRESIDENT BEFORE.

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line:85% position:27% size:63% OUR SYSTEM IS VERY MUCH A line:85% position:17% size:43% TWO-PARTY SYSTEM.

line:85% position:44% size:78% REALLY HARD TO -- IF YOU'RE NOT line:85% position:36% size:73% IN ONE OF THE MAIN PARTIES SO line:85% position:50% size:80% DONALD TRUMP MAYBE ACCIDENTALLY, line:85% position:40% size:75% MAYBE BECAUSE HE'S A GENIUS, I line:85% position:40% size:75% DON'T KNOW BUT HE RAN, DECIDED line:85% position:44% size:78% I'M NOT GOING BE A THIRD PARTY, line:85% position:24% size:58% I'M GOING TO RUN IN THE line:85% position:22% size:55% REPUBLICAN NOMINATION.

line:85% position:31% size:68% AND THAT'S GOING TO MAKE IT line:85% position:50% size:80% EASIER FOR ME TO BE PRESIDENT IF line:85% position:13% size:25% I WANT TO.

line:85% position:33% size:70% IT WAS A VERY SMART BUSINESS line:85% position:50% size:80% DECISION, WHAT MICHAEL BLOOMBERG line:85% position:33% size:70% AND ROSS PEROT HAD NOT DONE.

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line:85% position:33% size:70% SO THAT TAKES US TO THE NEXT line:85% position:18% size:45% PART OF OUR STORY.

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line:85% position:14% size:30% [ LAUGHTER ] line:85% position:40% size:75% HOPEFULLY FORS NO THE BACK WHO line:85% position:31% size:68% CAN'T READ, LET'S BE CLEAR.

line:85% position:31% size:68% THOSE IN THE BACK WHO CAN'T line:85% position:11% size:13% READ.

line:85% position:25% size:60% UNLIKELY TO WIN A SINGLE line:85% position:13% size:20% PRIMARY.

line:85% position:14% size:28% THIS IS ME.

line:85% position:33% size:70% AND, IN A ONE ON ONE CONTEST line:85% position:31% size:68% BETWEEN HE AND MARCO RUBIO, line:85% position:24% size:58% TRUMP WILL BE TROUNCED.

line:85% position:50% size:80% THERE WAS A 101, RUBIO AND TRUMP line:85% position:22% size:55% AND IT WAS IN FLORIDA.

line:85% position:40% size:75% RUBIO LOST SO BADLY HE DROPPED line:85% position:36% size:73% OUT OF THE RACE THE NEXT DAY.

line:85% position:50% size:80% SO THAT JUST TELLS YOU HOW WRONG line:85% position:12% size:15% I WAS.

line:85% position:50% size:80% NOW THAT YOU'RE ALL SEATED, TAKE line:85% position:50% size:80% THE REST OF WHAT YOU HEAR WITH A line:85% position:40% size:75% SMALL GRAIN OF SALT OR MAYBE A line:85% position:21% size:53% VERY, VERY LARGE ONE.

line:85% position:20% size:50% SO, LET'S BE HONEST.

line:85% position:17% size:43% I'M NOT CLUELESS.

line:85% position:44% size:78% WELL, MAYBE YOU'LL THINK THAT I line:85% position:11% size:8% AM.

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line:85% position:40% size:75% AND THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION line:85% position:44% size:78% IS, I THINK THAT WE -- A LOT OF line:85% position:50% size:80% JOURNALISTS THOUGHT DRUM WHOP DO line:85% position:12% size:18% POORLY.

line:85% position:33% size:70% I THINK WE MISUNDERSTOOD THE line:85% position:44% size:78% NATURE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

line:85% position:36% size:73% THERE WERE THREE WINGS OF THE line:85% position:17% size:43% REPUBLICAN PARTY.

line:85% position:31% size:68% WHAT WE CALL THE MAINSTREAM line:85% position:11% size:13% WING.

line:85% position:16% size:38% SO WHO IS THIS?

line:85% position:29% size:65% MITCH McCONNELL, AND SO WE line:85% position:50% size:80% THOUGHT IN THIS NATIONAL VERSION line:85% position:50% size:80% OF THAT, MIGHT BE -- AND I DON'T line:85% position:44% size:78% KNOW IF YOU RECOGNIZED THAT BUT line:85% position:40% size:75% THAT'S MILLARD MITT ROMNEY WHO line:85% position:50% size:80% DID A LITTLE BOXING CONTEST WITH line:85% position:44% size:78% EVANDER HOLDLY FIELD THERE IS A line:85% position:36% size:73% SECOND WING OF THE REPUBLICAN line:85% position:36% size:73% PARTY THAT WE THOUGHT EXISTED line:85% position:40% size:75% THAT WAS A SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE line:85% position:11% size:13% WING.

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line:85% position:40% size:75% RECOGNIZE THE KENTUCKY VERSION line:85% position:33% size:70% OF THAT, -- WHO IS THE NAME?

line:85% position:31% size:68% MATT BEVIN AND THE NATIONAL line:85% position:19% size:48% VERSION OF THAT IS?

line:85% position:33% size:70% THE GREAT SHOT, OF TED CRUZ.

line:85% position:36% size:73% AND THE THIRD WING WE THOUGHT line:85% position:50% size:80% WAS SORT OF THE LIBERTARIAN WING line:85% position:33% size:70% AND, THAT IS THE NATIONAL -- line:85% position:31% size:68% KENTUCKY VERSION AND, NOT A line:85% position:13% size:23% MISPRINT.

line:85% position:40% size:75% THE LIBERTARIAN WING IS PRETTY line:85% position:50% size:80% SMALL ACTUALLY SO RAND PAUL, THE line:85% position:40% size:75% LEADER OF THAT WAS WING OF THE line:85% position:13% size:25% PARTY TOO.

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line:85% position:21% size:53% WHAT -- WHO ARE THEY?

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line:85% position:40% size:75% SO THERE WAS AN OPENING THERE.

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line:85% position:31% size:68% AND THEY BELIEVE IN REVERSE line:85% position:16% size:38% DISCRIMINATION.

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line:85% position:50% size:80% SO DONALD TRUMP DISCOVERED A NEW line:85% position:36% size:73% PART OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

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line:85% position:20% size:50% WE'RE UP TO 43% NOW.

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line:85% position:44% size:78% SO GREAT ANTIPATHY TO THE OTHER line:85% position:12% size:15% PARTY.

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line:85% position:31% size:68% AND WHAT DO I MEAN BY THAT?

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line:85% position:18% size:45% YOU GET THE POINT.

line:85% position:44% size:78% SO IF YOU'RE A DEMOCRAT YOU AND line:85% position:36% size:73% TEND TO BE IN THESE URBAN, ET line:85% position:12% size:18% CETERA.

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line:85% position:17% size:40% GOOD CROWD HERE.

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WHO IS line:85% position:11% size:13% THAT?

line:85% position:11% size:13% OKAY.

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line:85% position:33% size:70% AND A BIG TEST WHO IS ON THE line:85% position:11% size:13% LEFT?

line:85% position:50% size:80% (AUDIENCE RESPONSE) OKAY, SORRY.

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line:85% position:29% size:65% IT IS SHERYL SANDBERG, THE line:85% position:24% size:58% NUMBER TWO AT FACEBOOK.

line:85% position:27% size:63% AND SUBTLE PICTURE THERE.

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line:85% position:17% size:40% A FAMILIAR FACE.

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line:85% position:33% size:70% THEY INCREASINGLY VIEW THEIR line:85% position:31% size:68% FELLOW CITIZENS AS ENEMIES.

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line:85% position:50% size:80% AND I COVERED HILLARY CLINTON IN line:85% position:36% size:73% 2008 AND AT SOME POINT ONE OF line:85% position:33% size:70% THE PHOTOGRAPHERS DISCOVERED line:85% position:40% size:75% THAT I HAD WORE HER PANT SUITS line:85% position:29% size:65% IN A CERTAIN ORDER AND SHE line:85% position:50% size:80% DIDN'T KNOW THAT SO IT WAS FUNNY line:85% position:13% size:23% TO WATCH.

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line:85% position:50% size:80% NOT A FUTURE PRESIDENT AND MAYBE line:85% position:14% size:30% HE'S BETTER.

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line:85% position:50% size:80% SO I'M GRATEFUL FOR THAT SO COME line:85% position:14% size:30% OF UN, JOHN.

line:85% position:14% size:30% [ APPLAUSE ] line:85% position:36% size:73% >> ALL RIGHT, SO I'LL ENHANCE line:85% position:14% size:28% THAT STORY.

line:85% position:18% size:45% I LOVE THIS STORY.

line:85% position:40% size:75% I WAS ASSIGNED TO AN INTERVIEW line:85% position:27% size:63% PERRY BACON WHOM I HAD NO line:85% position:25% size:60% KNOWLEDGE OF, OF COURSE.

line:85% position:31% size:68% AND, I TRIED TO ARANGE THIS line:85% position:13% size:25% INTERVIEW.

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line:85% position:50% size:80% I'LL COME BY, YOU'RE BUSIER THAN line:85% position:11% size:13% I AM.

line:85% position:14% size:30% [ LAUGHTER ] line:85% position:40% size:75% SO WE MEET AS PERRY SAID, AND, line:85% position:25% size:60% AFTER LIKE TWO MINUTE, I line:85% position:29% size:65% REALIZED THAT I WAS IN THE line:85% position:33% size:70% PRESENCE OF AN EXTRAORDINARY line:85% position:15% size:33% YOUNG PERSON.

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line:85% position:15% size:35% YOU'LL GET IN.

line:85% position:40% size:75% THIS IS NOT EVEN A CLOSE CALL.

line:85% position:33% size:70% BUT IT IS GREET TO MEET YOU.

line:85% position:36% size:73% AND HE LEAVES AND THERE WAS A line:85% position:44% size:78% WOMAN STANDING OFF TO THE SIDE, line:85% position:36% size:73% WHO WAS WAITING TO TALK TO ME line:85% position:36% size:73% AND SHE KNEW WHY I WAS THERE.

line:85% position:50% size:80% AND WHEN PERRY LEAVES, SHE COMES line:85% position:40% size:75% UP AND SAYS Mr. YARMUTH I WANT line:85% position:40% size:75% YOU TO KNOW WHAT AN INCREDIBLE line:85% position:22% size:55% PERSON PERRY BACON IS.

line:85% position:44% size:78% AND I SAID, YES, I FIGURED THAT line:85% position:29% size:65% OUT IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF line:85% position:13% size:20% MINUTES.

line:85% position:50% size:80% AND SHE SAID I HAVE BEEN HERE 29 line:85% position:24% size:58% YEARS AND HE'S THE MOST line:85% position:40% size:75% EXTRAORDINARY STUDENT THAT HAS line:85% position:50% size:80% WALKED THESE HALLS IN THAT TIME.

line:85% position:14% size:30% [ APPLAUSE ] line:85% position:50% size:80% SO I LOVE TELLING THAT STORY AND line:85% position:50% size:80% I FEEL KIND OF LIKE I HAVE GOT A line:85% position:25% size:60% STAKE IN PERRY'S CAREER.

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line:85% position:50% size:80% SO, WHEN YOU LEFT YALE, YOU WENT line:85% position:40% size:75% TO WORK FOR TIME MAGAZINE, AND line:85% position:40% size:75% THEN, WEEKLY MAGAZINES KIND OF line:85% position:36% size:73% WENT ON THE DECLINE, AND THEN line:85% position:27% size:63% YOU WENT TO WORK FOR "THE line:85% position:40% size:75% WASHINGTON POST," AND THEN THE line:85% position:50% size:80% DAILY NEWSPAPER STARTED TO LOSE.

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line:85% position:27% size:63% AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, line:85% position:19% size:48% NETWORK TELEVISION.

line:85% position:44% size:78% >> HE STARTED OFF ON A NICE WAY line:85% position:13% size:23% AT LEAST.

line:85% position:14% size:30% [ LAUGHTER ] line:85% position:27% size:63% >> AND NOW YOU'RE AT 538. line:85% position:36% size:73% ARE YOU ONE STEP AHEAD OF THE line:85% position:13% size:20% SHERIFF?

line:85% position:24% size:58% THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING?

line:85% position:11% size:8% >> line:85% position:33% size:70% >> I THINK IT IS FASCINATING line:85% position:40% size:75% THAT YOU BASICALLY, ENENTERRED line:85% position:40% size:75% THE JOURNALISM PROFESSION AT A line:85% position:27% size:63% TIME WHEN IT WAS CHANGING line:85% position:50% size:80% RAPIDLY AND THE JOURNALISM FIELD line:85% position:50% size:80% THAT WE KNEW FOR 40 OR 50 YEARS, line:85% position:44% size:78% HAS CHANGED SO FAST DURING YOUR line:85% position:25% size:60% RELATIVELY SHORT CAREER.

line:85% position:12% size:18% >> YES.

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line:85% position:44% size:78% AND I THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT line:85% position:36% size:73% OF TRUTH TO THAT IN THE MEDIA line:85% position:13% size:25% RIGHT NOW.

line:85% position:33% size:70% IF YOU DON'T SORT OF CHANGE.

line:85% position:31% size:68% I MEAN, THE WASHINGTON POST line:85% position:50% size:80% REVIVED ITSELF IN A GREAT NUMBER line:85% position:31% size:68% OF WAYS AND I DID SEE US IN line:85% position:44% size:78% MAGAZINES DYING AND I CAN SENSE line:85% position:31% size:68% THAT I NEEDED TO GET OUT OF line:85% position:12% size:15% THERE.

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line:85% position:25% size:60% IT HAS A BUSINESS MODEL.

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line:85% position:50% size:80% SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHY I'M HERE.

line:85% position:50% size:80% SO I SORT OF ALSO FEEL LIKE, YOU line:85% position:31% size:68% KNOW, WHY NOT TRY SOMETHING line:85% position:29% size:65% DIFFERENT AND TAKE A RISK.

line:85% position:27% size:63% GO AND DO THINGS THAT ARE line:85% position:13% size:25% DIFFERENT.

line:85% position:33% size:70% I LOVED NBC AND I THINK THAT line:85% position:33% size:70% TRYING STUFF IS INTERESTING.

line:85% position:25% size:60% BUT I DO THINK THE MEDIA line:85% position:44% size:78% BUSINESS IS GOING TO EVOLVE AND line:85% position:44% size:78% I THINK THAT EVEN MY FRIENDS AT line:85% position:44% size:78% THE WASHINGTON POST, THEIR JOBS line:85% position:44% size:78% ARE CONSTANTLY CHANGING EVEN IF line:85% position:21% size:53% THEY WORK AT THE SAME line:85% position:15% size:33% ORGANIZATION.

line:85% position:33% size:70% >> NOW, WE LIVE IN AN ERA IN line:85% position:50% size:80% WHICH I GREW UP WHERE THERE WERF line:85% position:40% size:75% BUT, WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, WE line:85% position:40% size:75% HAD TWO TELEVISION STATIONS IN line:85% position:11% size:13% TOWN.

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line:85% position:22% size:55% SO THAT WAS OUR ENTIRE line:85% position:29% size:65% FOUNDATION OF INFORMATION.

line:85% position:50% size:80% SO WHILE IT MAY HAVE BEEN WRONG, line:85% position:36% size:73% ON OCCASION, AS IT WAS IN THE line:85% position:36% size:73% VIETNAM ERA, WE STILL STARTED line:85% position:33% size:70% FROM THE SAME FOUNDATION AND line:85% position:25% size:60% NOW, THE NUMBER OF MEDIA line:85% position:27% size:63% OUTLETS, NEWS OUTLETS HAS line:85% position:29% size:65% PROLIFERATED AND THE WHOLE line:85% position:44% size:78% BUSINESS MODEL OF MEDIA CHANGED line:85% position:40% size:75% SO, HOW DO YOU THINK THAT THIS line:85% position:31% size:68% IS AFFECTED OUR COMMONALTY, line:85% position:36% size:73% WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY THE line:85% position:36% size:73% ONE THING THAT IS -- YOU TALK line:85% position:40% size:75% ABOUT TRIBALISM AND, YOU KNOW, line:85% position:31% size:68% THERE IS THIS LOST SENSE OF line:85% position:36% size:73% COMMONALTY AND I SUSPECT THAT line:85% position:40% size:75% PART OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THIS line:85% position:12% size:15% MEDIA.

line:85% position:25% size:60% >> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

line:85% position:36% size:73% LIKE I WAS SAYING THE NIGHTLY line:85% position:44% size:78% NEWS RATING, WE HAVE A UNIFYING line:85% position:50% size:80% EVENT, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT line:85% position:31% size:68% THAT WE ALL SORT OF CONSUME line:85% position:13% size:23% TOGETHER.

line:85% position:36% size:73% I VIEW THIS MEDIA QUESTION IN line:85% position:13% size:23% TWO WAYS.

line:85% position:44% size:78% THE SORT OF POSITIVE VIEW OF IT line:85% position:44% size:78% IS THAT, IS THAT WE HAD A MEDIA line:85% position:50% size:80% AND WE HAD AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT line:85% position:25% size:60% WAS SORT OF DOMINATED BY line:85% position:19% size:48% CANDIDLY WHITE MEN.

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line:85% position:44% size:78% AND I DO THINK THAT, BECAUSE WE line:85% position:40% size:75% HAVE LOST A LOT OF TRUST AND A line:85% position:36% size:73% LOT OF CONFIDENCE AND I THINK line:85% position:40% size:75% THAT PART OF IT IS THERE IS NO line:85% position:36% size:73% SORT OF AGREED UPON FACTS AND line:85% position:44% size:78% THERE IS NO -- AND I THINK THAT line:85% position:40% size:75% THERE IS, WE ARE IN AN ERA NOT line:85% position:29% size:65% JUST THAT THE MEDIA IS NOT line:85% position:40% size:75% TRUSTING BUT INSTITUTIONS LIKE line:85% position:31% size:68% THE CHURCH, THE POLICE, THE line:85% position:36% size:73% GOVERNMENT, THE MEDIA IS LOW, line:85% position:20% size:50% CONGRESS IS LOW TOO.

line:85% position:40% size:75% SO I DON'T -- I FIND THAT VERY line:85% position:13% size:25% WORRISOME.

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line:85% position:25% size:60% >> SO, WE WENT THROUGH A line:85% position:31% size:68% CAMPAIGN IN WHICH VIRTUALLY line:85% position:36% size:73% EVERYBODY WHO OBSERVED IT AND line:85% position:33% size:70% PARTICULARLY HAVE RETROSPECT line:85% position:31% size:68% WOULD SAY, ALL OF THE MEDIA line:85% position:50% size:80% OUTLETS WERE PRIMARILY CONCERNED line:85% position:36% size:73% WITH RATINGS BECAUSE THEY SAW line:85% position:50% size:80% THEIR RATING MORE LOAD IN DONALD line:85% position:50% size:80% TRUMP BECAUSE HE WAS ALWAYS GOOD line:85% position:36% size:73% COPY BECAUSE HE WAS -- SUCKED line:85% position:40% size:75% ALL THE OXYGEN OUT OF THE ROOM line:85% position:40% size:75% AND HE'S STILL DOING THAT AS A line:85% position:16% size:38% MATTER OF FACT.

line:85% position:50% size:80% DO YOU THINK THAT THE MEDIA, THE line:85% position:40% size:75% LEGITIMATE MEDIA I CALL IT NOW line:85% position:44% size:78% AS OPPOSED TO MAINSTREAM MEDIA, line:85% position:50% size:80% THE LEGITIMATE MEDIA HAS LEARNED line:85% position:13% size:23% A LESSON?

line:85% position:12% size:18% >> YES.

line:85% position:44% size:78% I THINK THE LESSON IS, PROBABLY line:85% position:13% size:23% TWO FOLD.

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line:85% position:12% size:15% SO, -- line:85% position:14% size:30% [ LAUGHTER ] line:85% position:40% size:75% SO SOME OF THAT WAS LIKE WRONG line:85% position:12% size:18% HEADED.

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line:85% position:50% size:80% I DO THINK THAT WE WERE TOO SLOW line:85% position:36% size:73% TO CATCH HOW TRUMP WAS DOING.

line:85% position:50% size:80% AND I THINK THAT MAY COME TO THE line:85% position:44% size:78% FACT THAT TOO MUCH OF THE MEDIA line:85% position:44% size:78% IS COPPS STRAITED IN WASHINGTON line:85% position:40% size:75% AND NEW YORK AND WE HAVE THESE line:85% position:50% size:80% CONVENTIONAL RULES OF HOW THINGS line:85% position:31% size:68% WORK AND I THIS THAT I ONCE line:85% position:33% size:70% TRUMP IS DOING WELL, WE WERE line:85% position:31% size:68% STILL KIND OF, AND EVEN NOW line:85% position:36% size:73% WE'RE STILL IN THIS MOMENT OF line:85% position:40% size:75% LIKE, TRUMP SAYS OBAMA IS WIRE line:85% position:50% size:80% TAPPING HIM AND LET'S FACT CHECK line:85% position:18% size:45% THAT AND COVER IT.

line:85% position:40% size:75% I WONDER IF -- MAYBE WE SHOULD line:85% position:40% size:75% NOT -- ANY TIME YOU PUTS OUT A line:85% position:36% size:73% TWEET HAVE 12 REPORTERS DO AN line:85% position:44% size:78% INVESTIGATIVE PROJECT ABOUT IT.

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line:85% position:33% size:70% MAYBE DON'T COVER ALL OF THE line:85% position:50% size:80% FANCY OBJECTS HAPPENING IN FRONT line:85% position:33% size:70% OF US THAT SEEM ENTERTAINING line:85% position:40% size:75% THAT WILL BE SORT OF KIND OF A line:85% position:20% size:50% COTTON CANDY EFFECT.

line:85% position:50% size:80% >> WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE -- I line:85% position:27% size:63% NOTICED THE DATA UP HERE.

line:85% position:40% size:75% HE HAS 26 MILLION FOLLOWERS ON line:85% position:13% size:20% TWITTER.

line:85% position:50% size:80% FORTUNATELY I SAW HE ONLY HAD 46 line:85% position:12% size:15% LIKES.

line:85% position:14% size:30% [ LAUGHTER ] line:85% position:36% size:73% >> HE HAS 60 MILLION LIKES IN line:85% position:17% size:43% REAL LIFE THOUGH.

line:85% position:14% size:28% >> EXACTLY.

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line:85% position:14% size:30% [ APPLAUSE ] line:85% position:40% size:75% >> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR OUR line:85% position:22% size:55% DEMOCRACY THAT YOU CAN line:85% position:29% size:65% CIRCUMVENT THE ACTUAL FACT line:85% position:40% size:75% CHECKERS, THE ARBITRATORS, THE line:85% position:44% size:78% PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY HELP VOTERS line:85% position:33% size:70% UNDERSTAND WHAT IS REALLY AT line:85% position:50% size:80% STAKE, WHAT THE ISSUES ARE, WHAT line:85% position:17% size:43% THE DYNAMICS ARE.

line:85% position:44% size:78% >> YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT line:85% position:44% size:78% HE NECESSARILY CIRCUMVENTED IT.

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line:85% position:27% size:63% WE LOOK AT THE RESULT THE line:85% position:36% size:73% ELECTION AND WE FOUND PEOPLE, line:85% position:40% size:75% THE LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO line:85% position:44% size:78% VOTED FOR HIM DID NOT LIKE HIM.

line:85% position:50% size:80% MANY OF WHOM SAID THEY FOUND HIM line:85% position:50% size:80% TO BE DISHONEST SO I DON'T THINK line:85% position:50% size:80% THAT HE NECESSARILY CIRCUMVENTED line:85% position:27% size:63% THE MEDIA THE WAY THAT IT line:85% position:12% size:18% LOOKED.

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line:85% position:17% size:43% SO, I'M NOT SURE.

line:85% position:22% size:55% THE MEDIA IS WEAKENED.

line:85% position:13% size:25% I SUPPOSE.

line:85% position:36% size:73% THE MEDIA CERTAINLY WEAKENED.

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line:85% position:50% size:80% AND I THINK THAT, TRUTH IS STILP line:85% position:44% size:78% BUT STILL BELIEVE THAT MAYBE HE line:85% position:36% size:73% IS NOT THE BEST PERSON IN THE line:85% position:12% size:15% WORLD.

line:85% position:40% size:75% I THINK THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT line:85% position:14% size:28% PEOPLE DID.

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line:85% position:36% size:73% YEAH, I MEAN, CABLE NEWS IS A line:85% position:33% size:70% DIFFERENT QUESTION ENTIRELY.

line:85% position:29% size:65% I DO AGREE THAT CABLE NEWS line:85% position:44% size:78% WATCHED MOSTLY THE PEOPLE SUPER line:85% position:50% size:80% JUNKYS, WHO ALREADY KNOW WHAT IS line:85% position:13% size:23% GOING ON.

line:85% position:22% size:55% AND THAT IS A PROBLEM.

line:85% position:50% size:80% I MEAN, I GUESS THAT I FEEL LIKE line:85% position:44% size:78% WHEN YOU TALK TO PEOPLE, PEOPLE line:85% position:44% size:78% WITH LIKE PRETTY INFORMED ABOUT line:85% position:50% size:80% POLITICS SO I'M NOT TOTALLY SURE line:85% position:33% size:70% IF IT IS LIKE GOOGLE NEWS OR line:85% position:33% size:70% YAHOO!

BUT I DON'T -- I FEEL line:85% position:33% size:70% NERVOUS ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL line:85% position:44% size:78% MEDIA SOURCES THAT I THINK THEY line:85% position:50% size:80% MIGHT ALL DIE BECAUSE YOU CAN -- line:85% position:40% size:75% WE'RE SORT OF IN A CHOOSE YOUR line:85% position:31% size:68% OWN ADVENTURE PERIOD OF THE line:85% position:31% size:68% MEDIA BUT PEOPLE ARE FAIRLY line:85% position:50% size:80% INFORMED ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON, line:85% position:33% size:70% AND BEING HERE THIS WEEKEND, line:85% position:31% size:68% I'VE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS line:85% position:36% size:73% ABOUT, IS BEN CARSON'S TWEET.

line:85% position:31% size:68% SO PEOPLE SEEM TO -- AND MY line:85% position:44% size:78% LIFE, YOU KNOW, BEING POLITICAL line:85% position:12% size:18% EXPERT.

line:85% position:40% size:75% BUT I DO THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE line:85% position:15% size:35% READING STUFF.

line:85% position:50% size:80% I DON'T KNOW, PEOPLE ARE READING line:85% position:44% size:78% STUFF BUT IT IS MUCH MORE ABOUT line:85% position:33% size:70% WHO IS ON YOUR FACEBOOK FEED line:85% position:33% size:70% WHICH FEEDS INTO THE PROBLEM line:85% position:25% size:60% THAT I WAS GETTING INTO.

line:85% position:33% size:70% THE FACEBOOK FEED IS FULL OF line:85% position:36% size:73% PEOPLE WHO AGREE WITH YOU AND line:85% position:31% size:68% THAT'S KIND OF THE PROBLEM.

line:85% position:33% size:70% I'M NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, LIKE line:85% position:36% size:73% EVEN IN THE I'VE HAD A LOT OF line:85% position:29% size:65% DIFFERENT KIND OF ROLES IN line:85% position:29% size:65% JOURNALISM AND I DO WORRY.

line:85% position:50% size:80% I WANT EVERYONE TO READ MY WORK.

line:85% position:40% size:75% AND THAT WAS SORT OF ONE OF MY line:85% position:27% size:63% GOALS WHEN I GOT IN THIS.

line:85% position:40% size:75% TIME MAGAZINE, I FELT THAT WAS line:85% position:19% size:48% VERY MUCH THE CASE.

line:85% position:40% size:75% AND MAYBE THE NBC NIGHTLY NEWS line:85% position:50% size:80% IS WATCHED BY BOTH PARTY BUS I'M line:85% position:21% size:53% NERVOUS THAT THEY ARE line:85% position:50% size:80% INCREASINGLY, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, line:85% position:33% size:70% SURE TOTALLY HOW I REACH THE line:85% position:36% size:73% BRIGHT BAR READER AND I WOULD line:85% position:40% size:75% LIKE TO REACH THEM AND I'M NOT line:85% position:17% size:43% TOTALLY SURE HOW.

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line:85% position:40% size:75% AND I THINK ABOUT THE WORLD OF line:85% position:36% size:73% POLITICS AS WELCH -- AS WELL.

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line:85% position:44% size:78% AND YET, WE KNOW THAT ACCORDING line:85% position:40% size:75% TO AT LEAST PEW RESEARCH, MORE line:85% position:36% size:73% THAN 60 PERCENT OF ADULTS GET line:85% position:31% size:68% THEIR NEST NEWS FROM SOCIAL line:85% position:50% size:80% MEDIA AND FEWER AND FEWER PEOPLE line:85% position:40% size:75% WATCH TELEVISION SO HOW DO YOU line:85% position:33% size:70% SEE THE PARADIGM OF AMERICAN line:85% position:18% size:45% POLITICS CHANGING.

line:85% position:36% size:73% OBVIOUSLY BERNIE SANDERS USED line:85% position:50% size:80% SOCIAL MEDIA IN A VERY EFFECTIVE line:85% position:11% size:10% WAY.

line:85% position:40% size:75% DONALD TRUMP IS STILL USING IT line:85% position:25% size:60% IN A VERY EFFECTIVE WAY.

line:85% position:33% size:70% WHAT DO YOU SEE HAPPENING IN line:85% position:31% size:68% JUST THE WAY WE CONDUCT OUR line:85% position:36% size:73% CAMPAIGNS AND THE WAY THAT WE line:85% position:15% size:33% REACH VOTERS?

line:85% position:31% size:68% >> IT IS THE RADICAL SHIFT.

line:85% position:44% size:78% WE KNOW THAT HILLARY RAN A VERY line:85% position:21% size:53% TRADITIONAL CAMPAIGN.

line:85% position:36% size:73% SHE HAD -- I MEAN, I REMEMBER line:85% position:27% size:63% DOING THESE STORIES AGAIN line:85% position:50% size:80% LOOKING SO CLUELESS IN THIS LAST line:85% position:29% size:65% YEAR ABOUT HOW IN OHIO AND line:85% position:31% size:68% PENNSYLVANIA HILLARY HAD 20 line:85% position:29% size:65% OFFICES, AND, ALL OF THESE line:85% position:44% size:78% ORGANIZERS AND DONALD TRUMP HAD line:85% position:15% size:33% THREE PEOPLE.

line:85% position:50% size:80% THREE OFFICES AND NO ORGANIZERS.

line:85% position:31% size:68% AND WE WROTE A LOT OF THESE line:85% position:44% size:78% STORIES IN THE MEDIA AND DONALD line:85% position:50% size:80% TRUMP WON PENNSYLVANIA AND OHIO.

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SHOW, AND SO ON.

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line:85% position:33% size:70% YOU HAD A RACE HERE IN 2014, line:85% position:29% size:65% MITCH McCONNELL RAP A VERY line:85% position:17% size:43% TRADITIONAL RACE.

line:85% position:50% size:80% HE BOUGHT TELEVISION ADS AND HAD line:85% position:50% size:80% AN AD EVERY MINUTE ABOUT HOW BAD line:85% position:50% size:80% ALLISON GRIMES WAS AND HE WON BY line:85% position:36% size:73% A LOT SO I'M NOT READY TO SAY line:85% position:36% size:73% THAT OLD POLITICS DON'T WORK.

line:85% position:27% size:63% I'M READY TO SAY THAT NEW line:85% position:22% size:55% POLITICS CAN WORK TOO.

line:85% position:36% size:73% >> OKAY, SO, YOU TALKED ABOUT line:85% position:50% size:80% IDENTITY POLITICS, AND I TOTALLY line:85% position:16% size:38% AGREE WITH YOU.

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line:85% position:44% size:78% AND I READ A BOOK BACK IN 2007, line:85% position:33% size:70% DREW WESTON BRO WROTE A BOOK line:85% position:40% size:75% CALLED THE POLITICAL BRAIN AND line:85% position:36% size:73% HE BASICALLY SAID THAT 85% OF line:85% position:40% size:75% PEOPLE'S VOTES ARE PREDICTABLE line:85% position:36% size:73% WITHIN 95% PROBABILITY BEFORE line:85% position:50% size:80% THERE IS EVER A CANDIDATE IN THE line:85% position:11% size:13% RACE.

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line:85% position:44% size:78% SO THE CAMPAIGNS ARE WAGED OVER line:85% position:22% size:55% 15% OF THE ELECTORATE.

line:85% position:40% size:75% THAT IS THE MAXIMUM PEOPLE WHO line:85% position:21% size:53% ARE ACTUALLY IN PLAY.

line:85% position:12% size:18% >> YES.

line:85% position:14% size:28% >> IN PLAY.

line:85% position:31% size:68% SO, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, MY line:85% position:44% size:78% EXPERIENCE IS THAT THOSE PEOPLE line:85% position:36% size:73% WHO DREW WESTON DESCRIBES AS, line:85% position:50% size:80% THE LEAST INFORMED AND THE LEAST line:85% position:21% size:53% INGAGED AND THE LEAST line:85% position:36% size:73% INTELLIGENT, THOSE PEOPLE WHO line:85% position:27% size:63% ARE IN PLAY, BECAUSE, THE line:85% position:40% size:75% SMARTER THAT YOU ARE, THE MORE line:85% position:33% size:70% ENGAGED THAT YOU ARE AND THE line:85% position:40% size:75% KNOWLEDGEABLE THAT YOU ARE AND line:85% position:40% size:75% THE MORE PREDICTABLE YOUR VOTE line:85% position:27% size:63% IS, THOSE PEOPLE ARE MOST line:85% position:44% size:78% VULNERABLE TO THE KIND OF INANE line:85% position:50% size:80% SIMPLISTIC NEGATIVE CAMPAIGN ADS line:85% position:44% size:78% THAT WERE RUN ON TELEVISION BUT line:85% position:44% size:78% IS THAT REALLY WHAT DRIVES THEM line:85% position:17% size:40% IN YOUR OPINION?

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line:85% position:36% size:73% IT IS NOT ABOUT ISSUES, IT IS line:85% position:15% size:35% ABOUT EMPATHY.

line:85% position:19% size:48% WHAT WOULD YOU NAY.

line:85% position:50% size:80% >> I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT AND line:85% position:50% size:80% ONE THING THAT YOU SAW IS WE HAD line:85% position:44% size:78% VOTERS WHO SWUNG FROM OBAMA, TO line:85% position:50% size:80% TRUMP IN 2016 AND THAT WAS A BID line:85% position:50% size:80% INTERVIEWED THEM, THEY WOULD SAY line:85% position:31% size:68% OFTEN WE WOULD ALL BE LIKE, line:85% position:31% size:68% WELL, THEY -- TRUMP DOESN'T line:85% position:44% size:78% SUPPORT OBAMA CARE AND THEY ARE line:85% position:40% size:75% DIFFERENT POLITICALLY AND THAT line:85% position:40% size:75% WAS ALL WASHINGTON NONSENSE TO line:85% position:22% size:55% THEM IN A LOT OF WAYS.

line:85% position:40% size:75% AND IN THEIR VIEW, OBAMA STOOD line:85% position:36% size:73% FOR REGULAR PEOPLE AND HE HAD line:85% position:29% size:65% BEEN THE CHANGE CANDIDATE.

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line:85% position:50% size:80% HE UNDERSTOOD SORT OF WHERE THEY line:85% position:50% size:80% COME FROM AND I DO THINK THAT AS line:85% position:40% size:75% MUCH AS I LIKE DATA AND SO ON, line:85% position:27% size:63% POLITICS IS ABOUT VALUES.

line:85% position:36% size:73% AND I THINK THAT, MOST PEOPLE line:85% position:50% size:80% SORT OF VOTE BASED ON VALUES AND line:85% position:27% size:63% A LOT OF BASED ON KIND OF line:85% position:13% size:20% FEELING.

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EMPATHY BUT LISTEN line:85% position:50% size:80% TO HIS SPEECHES, HE DID AT TIMES line:85% position:40% size:75% ONCE HE GOT DOWN WITH THE RAND line:85% position:40% size:75% PAUL IS UGLY AND MARG RUBIO IS line:85% position:50% size:80% STUPID, IF YOU GET TO 30 MINUTES line:85% position:44% size:78% IN, YOU HEAR HIM TALK ABOUT HOW line:85% position:36% size:73% THE FACTORIES AND CLOSING AND line:85% position:36% size:73% I'LL BRING THE FACTORIES BACK line:85% position:36% size:73% AND WE MAY BE ABLE TO HAVE AN line:85% position:44% size:78% ECONOMIC ANALYSIS OF WHY THAT'S line:85% position:13% size:23% NOT TRUE.

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line:85% position:36% size:73% THERE ARE TEN OF THOUSANDS OF line:85% position:31% size:68% TEAMSTERS IN LOUISVILLE, IN line:85% position:50% size:80% KENTUCKY AND OHIO AND THROUGHOUT line:85% position:31% size:68% THE MIDWEST AND STATES THAT line:85% position:50% size:80% HILLARY LOST, WHO ARE THREATENED line:85% position:36% size:73% WITH 60% REDUCTION IN PENSION line:85% position:13% size:23% BENEFITS.

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line:85% position:40% size:75% >> I DID THIS PIECE DURING THE line:85% position:24% size:58% CAMPAIGN, TWO DIFFERENT line:85% position:13% size:23% VERSIONS.

line:85% position:36% size:73% DURING THE PRIMARY, I THINK I line:85% position:36% size:73% FOUND, GO TO THEIR WEB PAGES, line:85% position:50% size:80% MARK RUBIO HAD 25 POLICY PLANS S line:85% position:40% size:75% AND JEB BUSH HAD 21 AND DONALD line:85% position:40% size:75% TRUMP HAD SOMETHING LIKE FOUR.

line:85% position:44% size:78% AND THEN, DURING THE GENERAL, I line:85% position:36% size:73% THINK THAT HILLARY HAD 39 AND line:85% position:19% size:48% DONALD TRUMP HAD 6. line:85% position:33% size:70% AND SO, IT GOES TO THE POINT line:85% position:44% size:78% THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT NECESSARILY line:85% position:40% size:75% LOOKING -- AND THIS IS LIKE WE line:85% position:50% size:80% HAVE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION ABOUT line:85% position:40% size:75% WHAT POLICY WORKS AND IN TERMS line:85% position:33% size:70% POLITICS, I DON'T THINK THAT line:85% position:40% size:75% PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR AS MUCH line:85% position:50% size:80% AND WE TALK ABOUT POLICY, PEOPLE line:85% position:25% size:60% ARE NOT LOOKING FOR THAT line:85% position:40% size:75% WONKEYR, DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME, line:85% position:44% size:78% GET MY VALUES, AND DO YOU SPEAK line:85% position:40% size:75% IN WAYS THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND.

line:85% position:12% size:18% >> YES.

line:85% position:44% size:78% >> SO WE TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING line:85% position:44% size:78% EARLIER IN THE MEETING WITH THE line:85% position:31% size:68% STUDENTS THAT I THOUGHT WAS line:85% position:19% size:48% REALLY INTERESTING.

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line:85% position:27% size:63% NOT AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

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line:85% position:50% size:80% BUT ON THE STATE LEVEL, YOU HAVE line:85% position:40% size:75% GAY MARRIAGE, WHICH PERCOLATED line:85% position:25% size:60% UP FROM THE STATE LEVEL.

line:85% position:33% size:70% YOU HAVE RAISING THE MINIMUM line:85% position:11% size:13% WAGE.

line:85% position:44% size:78% WE CAN'T EVEN GET A VOTE IN THE line:85% position:40% size:75% HOUSE TO RAISE IT FROM 725 BUT line:85% position:31% size:68% STATES AND CITY GOVERNMENTS line:85% position:40% size:75% ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE RAISING line:85% position:11% size:8% IT.

line:85% position:36% size:73% MARIJUANA LAWS, THE CHANGE IN line:85% position:40% size:75% POLICY HAPPENING, WHATEVER YOU line:85% position:36% size:73% THINK OF THAT CHANGING AT THE line:85% position:36% size:73% STATE LEVEL, AND THEN, WHAT I line:85% position:31% size:68% WOULD CONSIDER THE NEGATIVE line:85% position:36% size:73% SIDE, RESTRICTIONS ON WOMEN'S line:85% position:24% size:58% REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS AND line:85% position:36% size:73% HAPPENING AT THE STATE LEVEL, line:85% position:33% size:70% VOTER SUPPRESSION TECHNIQUES line:85% position:36% size:73% HAPPENING AT THE STATE LEVEL.

line:85% position:40% size:75% AND, YOU RAISED AN INTERESTING line:85% position:36% size:73% POINT ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN line:85% position:31% size:68% COMMITMENT OF JOURNALISM TO line:85% position:44% size:78% NATIONAL VERSUS STATE AND LOCAL line:85% position:12% size:18% ISSUES.

line:85% position:27% size:63% >> I MEAN, IT IS A LITTLE line:85% position:15% size:35% DIFFERENT NOW.

line:85% position:36% size:73% ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FIND line:85% position:44% size:78% LIKE JOHN SAID, IS VERY STRANGE line:85% position:40% size:75% IS THAT WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY WE line:85% position:40% size:75% HAVE MORE POLICY BEING MADE AT line:85% position:40% size:75% THE STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL THAN line:85% position:33% size:70% EVER BUT THE STATE AND LOCAL line:85% position:31% size:68% JOURNALISM IS FALLING APART line:85% position:29% size:65% BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE line:85% position:50% size:80% BUSINESS MODELS TO SUPPORT THAT.

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line:85% position:50% size:80% BASICALLY IF YOU RUN A BUZZ FEED line:85% position:25% size:60% OR SOME KIND OF NATIONAL line:85% position:44% size:78% WEBSITE, YOU CAN GET WASHINGTON line:85% position:44% size:78% POST NEW YORK TIME, YOU CAN GET line:85% position:44% size:78% READERS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD line:85% position:17% size:40% AND THE COUNTRY.

line:85% position:44% size:78% SO THAT'S SUPPORTING A BUSINESS line:85% position:50% size:80% MODEL SO, I REMEMBER IN 2015, WE line:85% position:40% size:75% HAD LIKE, WE PROBABLY HAD LIKE line:85% position:44% size:78% FOUR REPORTERS PER CONGRESSMAN, line:85% position:31% size:68% AND THERE WAS NO -- NOTHING line:85% position:50% size:80% HAPPENING IN CONGRESS VERSUS ALL line:85% position:50% size:80% OF THESE STATES HAVE ALL OF THIS line:85% position:20% size:50% BIG POLICY GOING ON.

line:85% position:36% size:73% AND NO ONE IS REALLY COVERING line:85% position:11% size:8% IT.

line:85% position:50% size:80% IT IS A BIG GAP AND I DON'T KNOW line:85% position:44% size:78% HOW TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE THE line:85% position:50% size:80% BUSINESS MODEL SUPPORTS NATIONAL line:85% position:40% size:75% THINGS, AND THE LOCAL BUSINESS line:85% position:50% size:80% MODEL LIKE HAVING SOMEBODY COVER line:85% position:33% size:70% FRANKFORT IS NOT NECESSARILY line:85% position:40% size:75% MAKING ANY PROFITS IN ANY REAL line:85% position:11% size:10% WAY.

line:85% position:40% size:75% A REPORTER IN IRAQ IS GOING TO line:85% position:50% size:80% PRODUCE MORE BECAUSE THEY CAN -- line:85% position:40% size:75% PEOPLE IN LONDON AND PARIS AND line:85% position:40% size:75% SO ON AND I THINK YOU FIND THE line:85% position:40% size:75% LOCAL NEWS IS A BIG VOID AND I line:85% position:40% size:75% THIS THAT I POLITICIAN ON BOTH line:85% position:36% size:73% SIDES TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

line:85% position:40% size:75% THEY KNOW THAT THERE NOT GOING line:85% position:40% size:75% TO MUCH LOCAL SCRUTINY OR MUCH line:85% position:29% size:65% SCRUTINY OF BILLS LOCALLY.

line:85% position:44% size:78% AND MY OTHER WORRY IS, MY GUESS line:85% position:29% size:65% IS THAT WE HAD FIVE OR TEN line:85% position:50% size:80% STRONG REPORTERS IN EVERY STATE, line:85% position:36% size:73% WE UNCOVERED KIND OF A LOT OF line:85% position:36% size:73% CORRUPTION AND MY GUESS IS ON line:85% position:14% size:28% BOTH SIDES.

line:85% position:36% size:73% AND I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF line:85% position:40% size:75% THAT INFLUENCE PEDDLING BY THE line:85% position:31% size:68% FACT THAT YOU DON'T HAVECY?

line:85% position:50% size:80% REPORTERS COVERING THESE PEOPLE.

line:85% position:16% size:38% >> THAT'S GOOD.

line:85% position:36% size:73% AND BEFORE WE GO TO A SEGMENT line:85% position:33% size:70% WHICH I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO line:85% position:50% size:80% FIND UNCOMFORTABLE BUT I'M GOING line:85% position:33% size:70% TO FIND FUN AND THE AUDIENCE line:85% position:11% size:13% WILL.

line:85% position:13% size:20% >> OKAY.

line:85% position:11% size:5% >> line:85% position:14% size:30% [ LAUGHTER ] line:85% position:40% size:75% >> THE AUDIENCE WILL FIND FUN.

line:85% position:40% size:75% WE'LL TALK AGAIN GOING BACK TO line:85% position:33% size:70% YOUR TIME MAGAZINE LEGENDARY line:85% position:36% size:73% PUBLICATION, WASHINGTON POST, line:85% position:22% size:55% NBC, AND NOW YOU'RE AT line:85% position:17% size:40% FIVETHIRTYEIGHT.

line:85% position:44% size:78% WHAT WAS THE MOTIVATION FOR YOU line:85% position:36% size:73% TO MAKE THE SWITCH FROM THESE line:85% position:29% size:65% LEGENDARY MEDIA OUTLETS TO line:85% position:17% size:40% FIVETHIRTYEIGHT.

line:85% position:29% size:65% >> I WOULD SAY TWO THINGS: line:85% position:27% size:63% FIRST OF ALL, WHAT IS THE line:85% position:12% size:18% PHRASE?

line:85% position:27% size:63% PLAYING WITH HOUSE MONEY?

line:85% position:20% size:50% SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

line:85% position:40% size:75% I'M NOT A GAMBLER AND I THIS I line:85% position:27% size:63% THAT SHOWED THAT I'M NOT.

line:85% position:36% size:73% IF YOU GO TO LEXINGTON, DON'T line:85% position:18% size:45% BRING PERRY BACON.

line:85% position:29% size:65% BUT, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE line:85% position:44% size:78% REALLY BLESSED LIKE THINGS HAVE line:85% position:17% size:43% GONE REALLY WELL.

line:85% position:33% size:70% I WENT TO YALE AND WORKED AT line:85% position:40% size:75% THESE GREAT PLACES AND I THINK line:85% position:40% size:75% THAT I CAN TRY STUFF AND MAYBE line:85% position:36% size:73% TAKE A RISK AND DO SOMETHING.

line:85% position:50% size:80% PEOPLE REACH OUT TO ME, YOU LEFT line:85% position:11% size:10% NBC.

line:85% position:22% size:55% WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?

line:85% position:44% size:78% BUT, I FEEL -- SOME OF THE WORK line:85% position:36% size:73% THAT I HAVE DONE SINCE I LEFT line:85% position:44% size:78% HAS BEEN REALLY GOOD AND THAT'S line:85% position:15% size:33% FIRST OF ALL.

line:85% position:33% size:70% AND SECOND OF ALL, I MEAN, I line:85% position:40% size:75% PROBABLY AM NOT AN ACTIVIST IN line:85% position:44% size:78% EVERY REAL SENSE BUT I'M TRYING line:85% position:50% size:80% TO -- I THINK THE MEDIA COULD BE line:85% position:40% size:75% IMPROVED, AND ONE THING THAT I line:85% position:50% size:80% THINK YOU'RE SEEING A LITTLE BIT line:85% position:40% size:75% IS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WORK AT line:85% position:22% size:55% THE SMALL OUTLETS, THE line:85% position:33% size:70% FIVETHIRTYEIGHT, THE VOX, TO line:85% position:36% size:73% SOME EXTEND, THINK THERE IS A line:85% position:44% size:78% WAY FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO WORK line:85% position:50% size:80% AT A SMALLER OUTLET TO MODEL NEW line:85% position:40% size:75% KIND OF JOURNALISM FORMS, THAT line:85% position:44% size:78% WILL THEN MAYBE MIGRATE BACK TO line:85% position:44% size:78% NBC NEWS OR MIGRATE BACK TO THE line:85% position:17% size:43% OLD STYLE PLACES.

line:85% position:27% size:63% SO I DO HAVE SOME SORT OF line:85% position:50% size:80% JOURNALISM OR FORUM IDEAS AND IT line:85% position:50% size:80% IS MUCH EASIER TO TEST THOSE OUT line:85% position:33% size:70% AT FIVETHIRTYEIGHT THAN TEST line:85% position:29% size:65% THOSE OUT AT NBC WHICH HAS line:85% position:40% size:75% TRADITIONS AND THAT'S NOT THAT line:85% position:44% size:78% I'M CRITICIZING THEM BUT THAT'S line:85% position:19% size:48% KIND OF THAT THING.

line:85% position:36% size:73% SO I WORKED AT THREE JOB JOBS line:85% position:31% size:68% FOR FIVE YEARS SO I'M NOT A line:85% position:40% size:75% SUPER JOB JUMPER BUT I DO LIKE line:85% position:24% size:58% TO TRY THINGS AND TO DO line:85% position:50% size:80% DIFFERENT THINGS, AND MAYBE I'LL line:85% position:36% size:73% BE ON SPORTS CENTER SOME DAY.

line:85% position:17% size:40% >> THERE YOU GO.

line:85% position:14% size:30% [ LAUGHTER ] line:85% position:31% size:68% >> PERRY, THANK YOU FOR THE line:85% position:15% size:33% CONVERSATION.

line:85% position:50% size:80% I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE line:85% position:14% size:30% Q AND A NOW.

line:85% position:14% size:30% [ APPLAUSE ]