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>> ERIC: COMING UP NEXT, THE NEW MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSIONER, LAST-MINUTE HALLOWEEN COSTUME IDEAS FROM DAVID GILLETTE, A COUCH FULL OF POLITICOS ANALYZE A BIG NATIONAL POLITICAL WEEK, AND MARY LAHAMMER FILLS US IN ON THE MINNESOTA MEMBERS OF CONGRESS MAKING SOME OF THAT NEWS.

>> Mary: MINNESOTA MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ARE MAKING MOVES NATIONALLY, INCLUDING PHILLIPS, FISCHBACH AND EMMER.

>> THIS IS ONE OF THE GREATEST EXPERIENCES IN THE RECENT HISTORY OF OUR REPUBLIC.

>> I KNOW WE ARE BETTER SO LET'S DO BETTER.

>> Mary: WE'LL PUT IT ALL IN PERSPECTIVE.

THAT'S COMING UP ON "ALMANAC."

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>> ERIC: IN THE NEXT HOUR, WE'LL MEET THE NEW MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSIONER, DAVID GILLETTE HAS SOME HALLOWEEN COSTUME SUGGESTIONS FOR YOU, AND OUR COUCH FULL OF POLITICAL ANALYSTS BREAKS DOWN A BIG WEEK OF MINNESOTANS MAKING POLITICAL NEWS IN WASHINGTON, D.C. >> CATHY: AND THAT BIG NATIONAL POLITICAL NEWS IS WHERE WE START TONIGHT.

EARLIER TODAY, MINNESOTA'S THIRD DISTRICT CONGRESSMAN DEAN PHILLIPS FILED FOR THE NEW HAMPSHIRE PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY AND ANNOUNCED HE IS CHALLENGING PRESIDENT BIDEN FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION.

MARY LAHAMMER HAS MORE.

>> I AM TODAY ANNOUNCING MY CANDIDACY FOR THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

>> Mary: YOU'RE LIVE ON THE 2024 DEAN PHILLIPS AMPAIGN BUS WHERE HE JUST SAW IT FOR THE VERY FIRST MOST.

>> MARISA FROM NEW HAMPSHIRE OR SHOULD WE CALL YOU SCOOP, NOW, CONGRATS ON THE FIRST LIVE INTERVIEW.

TELL US HOW YOU GOT IT?

DID YOUR MINNESOTA CONNECTIONS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT?

>> THANKS, WELL, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY, NO, IN THIS CASE.

I GAINED SOME NATIONAL POLITICAL ATTENTION FOR A STORY I DID ON BLUE USBS MAILBOXES BEING REMOVED BEFORE THE ELECTION AND BECAUSE OF, THAT IT KIND OF LOOPED ME INTO SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE KNOW.

I LET HIM KNOW I'M FROM ST. LOUIS PARK, MINNESOTA, MY GRANDFATHER WAS BARRY ZAVAN THE WEATHER MAN AND HE WENT ON FOR QUITE A FEW MINUTES ABOUT MY GRAND MA AND HIS LEGACY IN MINNESOTA AND WHEN EMIT HIM.

>> SAY COME ON, AMERICA.

WE ARE BETTER.

I KNOW WE ARE BETTER SO LET'S DO BETTER.

IT IS TIME... [Applause] >> IT IS TIME, MY FRIENDS, IT IS TIME FOR WE, THE EXHAUSTED MAJORITY, TO MEET THIS MOMENT!

WE WILL STAND IN THE WAY OF EXTREMISTS.

>> Mary: GIVE US A LITTLE SENSE OF WHAT WE'RE NOT SEEING ON CAMERA.

WHAT'S HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES THERE?

>> HE'S WE'LL TALKING TO SO MANY PEOPLE AND THE THING ABOUT NEW HAMPSHIRE IS THAT VOTERS REALLY TAKE THIS IDEA OF BEING FIRST PRIMARY IN THE COUNTRY SERIOUSLY.

WELL, THE DNC MOVED IT, THE FIRST PRIMARY IN THE COUNTRY, TO SOUTH CAROLINA NEXT YEAR.

BECAUSE OF, THAT NEW HAMPSHIRE SAYS, WELL, WE'RE STILL GOING TO HOLD OUR PRIMARY.

THE DNC SAYS, OKAY, YOUR DELEGATES WON'T COUNTS IN YOU DO THAT AND JOY BIDEN WON'T BE PRINTED ON THE BALLOT HERE.

>> I LOVE THE PRESIDENT.

I THINK HE'S SAVED OUR COUNTRY AT A TIME WE REALLY NEEDED HIM AND DONE A WONDERFUL JOB.

IT'S TIME TO PASS THE TORCH.

ALL THE DATA, ALL THE POLLING, ALL THE CONVERSATIONS I'M HAVING SAY THE SAME THING, THAT HE IS AT GREAT RISK OF LOSING THE LAST ELECTION.

>> >> >> Mary: YOU PULLED DOWN SOME HISTORY, HOW DID YOU READ HIS RESPONSE?

>> HE SEEMED PREPARED AND GAVE US EXTRA TIME.

THEY KEPT TRYING TO WRAP US AND HE WANTED TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AND WE SAW HIM DO THAT THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

HIS BUS, AS SO MANY PEOPLE SAW IN THE PHOTO THAT NAPPED ON AN OHIO INTERSTATE, IT SAID MAKE MERELY AFFORDABLE AGAIN.

WHEN WE GOT ON IT THIS MORNING, THAT WAS WIPED CLEAN, NOT ON THE BUS, SOMEBODY ASKED HIM ABOUT THAT AND HE SAID, HEY, I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO ECHO FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP.

>> AN INCUMBENT PRESIDENT HAS NEVER BEEN SUCCESSFULLY DEFEATED BY A CHATTER IN THE PRIMARY SO WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU CAN MAKE HISTORY HERE?

>> FOR THE FIRST THING, THERE IS A FIRST TIME FOR EVERYTHING.

>> Mary: I'M WONDERING ABOUT VOTERS IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, WE'RE HEARING FROM DEMOCRATS IN MINNESOTA WHO ARE CONFUSED AND REALLY ANGRY AND UPSET WITH HIM.

>> I THINK A LOT OF DEMOCRATS ARE INK AGREE AND UPSET.

I HAVE BEEN MONITORING MY TWITTER RESPONSES THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING, DON'T DO THIS, YOU'RE HURTING BIDEN EVEN MORE IN A REALLY STATE RACE.

WHEN POLITICAL VOTERS SAY NEW HAMPSHIRE VOTERS ARE OPEN-MINDED.

I BELIEVE THEM.

I WENT OUT LAST TIGHT, TALKED TO VOTERS ON THE STREET, I COULDN'T FIND ONE PERSON WHO THOUGHT IT WAS A BAD IDEA FOR HIM TO ENTER THIS DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY.

AS ONE POLITICAL EXPERT, LONG-TIME POLITICAL EXPERT HERE TOLD US YESTERDAY, HE SAID, LISTEN, WE DATE A ONG TIME BEFORE WE GET MARRIED AND WE WON'T MAKE THIS DECISION UNTIL THE 11th HOUR.

>> I INVITE YOU TO JOIN ME IN DECLARING A NEW AMERICAN INDEPENDENCE.

>> Mary: INDEPENDENT.

HE USED THE WORD "INDEPENDENT."

I WAS SLIGHTLY SURPRISED, INDEPENDENCE IN HIS REMARKS TODAY.

CLEARLY, THAT'S REACHING OUT TO THAT GROUP.

>> >> HE REALLY TRIED TO MAKE THAT CASE IN OUR INTERVIEW WITH HIM SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, HE CLAIMED HE'S MOST BIPARTISAN MEMBER OF CONGRESS.

>> Mary: WHAT DO YOU SAY TO VOTERS WHO SAY, OH, WOW, ANOTHER MULTI-MILLIONAIRE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT?

>> YOU KNOW, I LOST MY FATHER IN THE VIETNAM WAR.

I WAS SIX MONTHS OLD.

HE HAD NO MONEY, HE USED AN ROTC SCHOLARSHIP TO GO TO COLLEGE.

AND THEN I WHEREAS CENTER TO WAR, FIGHTING FOR OUR FREEDOM AND HE WAS KILLED.

I WAS ADOPTED BY AN EXTRAORDINAIRE FAMILY.

>> EVERYONE'S INVITED.

I LOVE YOU, AMERICA.

THANK YOU AND LET'S GET TO WORK!

>> CATHY: DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATIVE DEAN PHILLIPS WAS NOT THE ONLY MEMBER OF MINNESOTA'S CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION IN THE NEWS THIS WEEK.

SIXTH DISTRICT REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN TOM EMMER WAS THE NOMINEE FOR HOUSE SPEAKER FOR ABOUT FOUR HOURS ON TUESDAY BEFORE WITHDRAWING WITHOUT A FLOOR VOTE.

MARY LAHAMMER WILL HAVE MORE ON REPRESENTATIVE EMMER A LITTLE LATER IN THE SHOW.

WE'RE GOING TO HEAD OVER TO THE OTHER SET.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

♪♪ >> ERIC: HOW ARE CONSUMERS FEELING ABOUT HIGHER PRICES, INTEREST RATES, AND THE CONTINUED FEAR OF RECESSION IN THE U.S.?

BY SPENDING ENOUGH MONEY IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS TO SEE THE ECONOMY EXPAND AT A 4.9% RATE, THE FASTEST PACE IN ALMOST TWO YEARS AND MORE THAN DOUBLE THE PREVIOUS THREE MONTHS.

JUST HOW STRONG IS THE ECONOMY AND HOW CONFIDENT ARE CONSUMERS AS THE HOLIDAY SEASON AND END OF THE YEAR APPROACH?

OUR NEXT TWO GUESTS CAN ANSWERS THESE TWO QUESTIONS, AND MUCH MORE.

LOUIS JOHNSTON TEACHES ECONOMICS AT THE COLLEGE OF ST. BENEDICTS AND ST. JOHN'S UNIVERSITY.

JEANNE BOEH TOILS AWAY IN THE ECONOMICS DEPARTMENT AT AUGSBURG UNIVERSITY.

CONSUMERS ARE DRIVING THE BUS HERE A LITTLE BIT?

>> THEY ARE, BUT THEY'RE A LITTLE IT RUNNING OUT OF STEAM.

>> Eric: SAY MORE ABOUT THAT.

>> SO, OF THE 4.9, 2.7% WAS CONSUMER SPENDING BUT THEIR SAVINGS HAVE GONE DOWN AND THEY'RE SORT OF RUNNING OUT OF STEAM THAT WAY.

THE SAVINGS RATE IS BELOW WHAT IT WAS AND INTEREST RATES ARE GOING HIGHER SO WE WERE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE, THE AUTO DELINQUENCIES ARE GOING UP ND THAT'S BECAUSE IF YOU'RE UYING USED CARS, YOU CAN BE EXPECTING TO PAY AN INTEREST RATE OF 14 TO 20%, LIKE BUYING A CAR ON CREDIT CARDS.

>> Cathy: OH, SAY, SPEAKING OF CREDIT CARDS, SO ARE CONSUMERS -- THEY'RE SPENDING AS YOU SAY THEY'RE RUNNING OUT OF STEAM BUT ARE THEY PUTTING STUFF ONLY CREDIT CARDS?

>> SOME OF THEM ARE PUTTING STUFF ON CREDIT CARDS.

>> IT IS STARTING TO GROW AND THE OTHER THING IN THE GDP REPORT THAT NOTICE WITH THIS, GDP CALLS SOMETHING CALLED INVENTORY INVESTMENT WHICH IS BUSINESSES PRODUCE STUFF BUT NOBODY BUY IT.

THAT GREW LAST QUARTER BUT I THINK A POINT AND A HALF OF THE 4.9%, SO THAT MEANS THEY'RE PRODUCING STUFF, PEOPLE WERE BUYING IT BUT NOW MAYBE NOT.

>> Eric: JUST IN TIME FOR THE HOLIDAY GIFT-GIVING SEASON.

>> YEP.

>> I THINK THEY'LL -- EVERYONE -- MOST PEOPLE EXPECT THE CONSUMER SPENDING TO SORTS OF DAMPEN DOWN, RIGHT?

AND SO THEY'RE NOT EXPECTING THAT RATE OF GROWTH IN GDP TO CONTINUE BUT HOPING FOR A SOFT LANDING SO THEY DAMPEN DOWN A LITTLE BIT BUT HE INTEREST RATES ARE AFFECTING HOUSING AND CARS.

>> Cathy: SOME PEOPLE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT A RECESSION.

WHAT DO YOU TWO THINK?

>> I'M NOT.

>> Cathy: HAT WAS A DEEP SIGH.

>> I'M NOT.

I GUESS I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS TODAY, I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE TAPES BUT I DON'T THINK I EVER PUT MORE THAN A ONE-FOUR CHANCE ON A RECESSION FOR THE LAST YEAR AND I STILL -- I JUST DON'T SEE THE ODDS THAT HIGH.

NOW, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE HAVE TERRIBLE THINGS HAPPENING IN THE MIDDLE EAST, A WAR IN UKRAINE, THESE THINGS COULD BLOW UP AND THEY ALREADY HAVE IN CERTAIN WAYS, OBVIOUSLY, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE A RECESSION HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

>> I THINK THE ODDS ARE STILL LIKE 60% THAT WE WON'T HAVE A RECESSION BUT THE PROBLEM IS ALL THIGHS UNKNOWNS, RIGHT?

SO OIL PRICES HAVE ALREADY STARTED TO GO UP, AND THAT FEEDS INTO INFLATION, RIGHT?

THAT FEEDS INTO WHY CONSUMERS THINK THAT THEIR AFTER-TAX INCOME OR AFTER-PRICE INCREASES INCOME ARE GOING DOWN BECAUSE THEY ARE, RIGHT?

AND SO I WAS TELLING LOUIS THAT THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL" THIS WEEK THAT SAID 899 KETCHUP IS DRIVING CONSUMERS CRAZY, AND IF OIL GOES UP, THAT AFFECTS EVERYTHING BECAUSE THERE'S IT IS LAST MILE PROBLEM, THEY HAVE TO GET IT TO THE GROCERY STORE.

>> Eric: WITH THE FED NOW LOOKING AT THE CURRENT SITUATION, I THINK YOU TWO HAVE TAUGHT US THAT ACCELERATED GROWTH MEANS HIGHER INTEREST RATES.

>> WELL, THE IDEA IS THAT ACCELERATED GROWTH SUPPOSEDLY CAUSES HIGHER INFLATION AND SO YOU HAVE TO USE IT TO PUT ON THE BRAKES.

THE PROBLEM IS THEY'VE PUT ON THE BRAKES AND WE STILL HAVE REALLY RAPID GROWTH.

AND INFLATION IS COMING DOCUMENT.

NOW, WAIT, THIS ISN'T SUPPOSED TO WORK THIS WAY AND SO THAT'S WHAT'S KIND OF CONFUSING, I THINK, A LOT F PEOPLE AND SO THE FED IN A SENSE HAS DECIDED, WE'RE JUST GOING TO PAUSE.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO HOLD STEADY HERE, THEY DID IT LAST MEETING.

I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT THIS MEETING.

THE BIG QUESTION IS, IS THAT GOING TO CONTINUE INTO THEIR DECEMBER MEETING?

>> Cathy: WHAT'S EXACTLY -- WHY IS IT -- WHY AREN'T WE SEEING WHAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE AS ECONOMISTS?

I MEAN, WHAT'S -- WHAT'S CHANGING HERE?

>> BECAUSE THERE WAS LEFT OVER MONEY FROM THE COVID, SO PEOPLE -- PEOPLE HAD BUILT UP SAVINGS AND SO THEY ERE SPENDING DOWN THAT SAVINGS AND THAT WAS AN ABNORMAL.

THE PROBLEM IS, THE PROBLEM IS, THAT WE HAVE SO MANY UNKNOWNS, RIGHT?

SO MAYBE THE MIDDLE EAST WE CAN KEEP IT INTO, YOU KNOW, A CONTAINED WAR, IF WE START HAVING A BIGGER WAR, LIKELY TO CAUSE PROBLEMS.

>> ALSO OUR MODELS ARE BUILT ON WHAT HAPPENED THE IN HE IS PA. WE JUST HAD A CONFERENCE TODAY FOR THE MINNESOTA ECONOMIC ASSOCIATION AND A NUMBER OF THE SPEAKERS WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW THINGS CHANGED IN THIS PANDEMIC.

PEOPLE ARE WORKING FROM HOME IN A WAY THEY WEREN'T BEFORE.

THEY'RE WORKING DIFFERENT HOUR PATTERNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

YOU KNOW, THOSE MODELS MAY NOT BE AS ACCURATE NOW AS THEY WERE BEFORE.

>> Eric: CONSUMERS, 75% OF THEM SURVEYED SAID THEIR COSTS HAVE GONE UP IN THE LAST YEAR.

>> I THINK THAT'S ACCURATE.

>> Eric: IS THAT WHY THE ROSIE ICTURE AT 30,000 FEET ON THE GROUND ISN'T AS ROSIE FOR FOLKS?

>> SO WE ERE HAVING A CONVERSATION BEFOREHAND THE FED USES PCE, PERSONAL CONSUMPTION EXPENDITURES AS THEIR INFLATION INDEX BUT THE CPI IS OUT THERE, TOO, SORTS OF THE MARKET BASKETS AND THE CPI IS UP MORE THAN PCE IS AND SOMETIMES EVEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE INFLATION, THEY SAY, WELL, EXCLUDING, YOU KNOW, FOOD AND ENERGY, WELL, THOSE ARE A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF WHAT THE AVERAGE PERSON IS SPENDING THEIR MONEY ON, PARTICULARLY LOWER INCOME CONSUMERS.

>> Eric: IS THERE A HOUSING COMPONENT HERE IS THAT IS GOING TO BE A BELLWETHER FOR THE ECONOMY GOING FORWARD?

>> A LITTLE BIT.

WITH INTEREST RATES GOING UP, IF YOU'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, INTEREST RATES AROUND FEDERAL DEBT HAVE GONE UP AND THAT'S BEEN DRIVING MORTGAGE RATES UP SO THAT'S AFFECTING THE ABILITIES OF PEOPLE TO GO OUT AND BUY BOTH NEW HOUSES AND EXISTING HOUSES, SO I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT RIPPLES THROUGH TO CONSTRUCTION.

>> Eric: THAT'S ONE OF YOUR SPECIALTIES, FOCUSES.

>> ONE OF THE ISSUES IS SOME OF THE LARGE HOUSING BUILDERS ARE SUBSIDIZING INTEREST RATE.

THEY'LL SAY, O YOU SAY IT'S 7%, WE'LL GIVE IT AT 5.75, WHICH IS WHY THE NEW HOUSING HASN'T FALLEN AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD EXPECT IT TO BUT FOR SORT OF RESALES.

WELL, THERE'S -- NOBODY'S GETTING THAT, AND SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE THE LOW INTEREST RATE, AS THEY SAY, THEY'RE KIND OF STUCK.

>> Cathy: SAY, LETS ME ASK YOU TWO ABOUT THE BIG STORY THIS WEEK ABOUT FORD AND THE U.A.W.

HAVE A TENTATIVE CONTRACT AGREEMENT.

A 25% OVER 4.5 YEARS.

WHAT DOES THAT SAYS TO YOU?

>> THAT SAYS THAT FORD THINKS THINGS ARE GOING TO BE PRETTY GOOD OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO TIE THEIR HANDS THAT WAY.

ON THE OTHER HAND, THAT'S NOT AS MUCH AS THE U.W.A.

WANTED, I THINK THEY WANTED 40%.

THEY BOTH RECOGNIZE THEY HAVE TO GET ALONG TO DO THIS.

WHAT I KEEP WONDERING IS, WHY HAVEN'T G.M.AND STILANTIS GO ALONG WITH HAT.

>> Eric: USUALLY THEY WOULD GO ALONG WITH THE OTHER ONE.

>> I HAVEN'T HEARD WHY.

>> Cathy: WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THE STRENGTH OF UNIONS NOW?

>> WELL, I THINK THAT UNIONS -- IF YOU LOOK AT WAGE GROWTH OVER THE LAST YEAR, SOME OF THE STRONGEST WAGE GROWTH HAS BEEN IN GOVERNMENT AND GOVERNMENT IS WHERE A LOT OF THE UNION EMPLOYEES ARE AT THIS POINT.

>> Eric: WAGES KEEPING UP OR -- >> THEY'RE DOING PRETTY GOOD.

IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU ARE IN THE INCOME DISTRIBUTION.

CERTAIN PARTS OF THE DISTRIBUTION ARE DOING FAIRLY WELL.

OTHERWISES, YOU GET A WAGE INCREASE AND THAT 8.99 KEVIN UP COMES ALONG AND WIPES IT OUT.

>> Eric: SO RETAILERS MAY NOT HAVE A HO, HO, HO HOLIDAY SEASON.

>> I THINK THE RETAIL MARKET IS REALLY STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW.

IF YOU LOOK AT SHOPPING CENTERS AND THINGS LIKE, THAT PEOPLE JUST AREN'T GOING OUT AND SHOPPING.

SO MUCH OF IT IS ONLINE AND IF YOU LOOK AT, LIKE, THE DOWNTOWNS, SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW -- THEY'RE PRETTY EMPTY.

>> Cathy: GOOD TO SEE YOU AS ALWAYS.

>> Eric: I HEAR THE BELL.

CLASS DISMISSED.

THANK YOU GUYS.

>> Cathy: HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND.

>> YOU TOO.

>> THANKS.

♪ BECAUSE OF MY ♪ STOP THE THINGS YOU DO ♪ [Laughter] ♪ I AIN'T LYING ♪♪ >> CATHY: LATE LAST WEEK, THE MINNEAPOLIS CITY COUNCIL APPROVED TODD BARNETTE AS THE CITY'S NEXT COMMUNITY SAFETY COMMISSIONER.

BARNETTE LEAVES HIS POSITION AS CHIEF JUDGE OF HENNEPIN COUNTY TO BECOME THE SECOND COMMUNITY SAFETY COMMISSIONER IN MINNEAPOLIS.

THE FIRST COMMISSIONER RETIRED EARLIER THIS FALL AFTER BEING ON THE JOB FOR JUST OVER A YEAR.

COMMISSIONER BARNETTE, WELCOME TO "ALMANAC."

GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Cathy: YOUR FIRST FULL WEEK ON-THE-JOB.

>> >> YES.

[Laughter] >> Cathy: I'M WONDERING, YOU EVER ALL OF THIS IN FRONT OF YOU.

YOUR PLATE IS FULL, YOU'RE COORDINATING THE MINNEAPOLIS FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, 9-1-1 EMERGENCY SERVICES, COMMUNITY SAFETY.

HAVE I GOT IT ALL RIGHT?

ABOUT FIVE DIFFERENT PLACES?

>> YES.

>> Cathy: AS YOU COORDINATE ALL OF THAT, HOW IS THAT GOING TO MAKE THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS SAFER?

>> WILL, THE GOVERNOR -- THE GOVERNOR, THE MAYOR IS REALLY TASKED ME WITH TRYING TO LOOK AT THIS HOLISTICALLY AND TAKE A HOLISTIC APPROACH.

WE ALL KNOW THAT COMMUNITY SAFETY IS NOT JUST IN THESE FIVE DEPARTMENTS SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE PARTNERSHIPS AND COLLABORATIONS NOT ONLY WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY BUT ALSO WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY AND THE STATE.

I MEAN IT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE EFFORT BUT THAT WILL TAKE SOME TIME AND A LOT OF PARTNERSHIPS.

>> Eric: ARE YOU RUNNING ANY OF THESE DEPARTMENTS OR DOES ANYBODY REPORT TO YOU OR WHAT'S THE EXTENTS OF YOUR AUTHORITIES?

>> SO, NO, I'M NOT RUNNING DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS IN ANY OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS.

ALL FIVE OF THOSE DEPARTMENT HEADS WILL REPORT TO ME.

>> Eric: AND YOU DO WHAT WITH THEIR REPORT?

CAN YOU MAKE SUGGESTIONS OR ORDER SOMETHING TO CHANGE OR -- I SUPPOSE IT DEPENDS ON THE STATE AND FEDERAL DECREASE THAT ARE THERE, TOO.

>> RIGHT.

SO IF WE LOOK AT -- MOST PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE POLICE.

I MEAN, THERE'S FIVE BUT MOST PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT POLICE.

SO, YOU NOW, WE HAVE THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WITH DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RIGHTS.

WE HAVE A CONSENT DECREE THAT WE KNOW IS GOING TO COME FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.

SO I LOOK AT THAT AND SO I REALLY DO FEEL LIKE MY JOB IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA IS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COMPLYING WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

AND THEN JUST IN GENERAL, STAFFING FOR POLICE DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT, 9-1-1 IS AN ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO DEAL WITH.

THAT'S A NATIONAL ISSUE BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH HERE, AS WELL.

>> Cathy: WHAT WOULD SUCCESS, SAY, IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS LOOK LIKE TO YOU?

>> THAT I'M STILL ON-THE-JOB?

[CHUCKLING] >> BUT, REALLY, I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS QUITE OFTEN IS THAT WE REALLY, OUT OF THE FIVE DEPARTMENTS, WE GOT TO REALLY LOOK AT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY DEPARTMENT AS THE FRONT OF THE ROAD.

CRIME PREVENTION.

WE NEED TO BUILD THAT UP, CRIME PREVENTION.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS THE END OF THE ROAD AND WHAT WE WANT TO REALLY DO IS PREVENT FOLKS FROM HAVING THAT INTERACTION, SO SUCCESS WOULD BE THAT WE'RE DOING BOTH OF THESE THINGS AT THE SAME TIME, AND THAT WE'RE HAVING SOME GOOD RESULTS.

>> Eric: SOME OF THE COMMENTARY THIS WEEK HAS BEEN TO THE EFFECT THAT YOU'RE KIND OF A HUMAN HEAT SHIELD FOR THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, THAT IF THERE'S BLAME TO BE SORTED OUT, YOU'LL BE THE GUY THAT CATCHES THE FLACK.

DO YOU SEE IT THAT WAY?

>> I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT BUT I DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY.

I REALLY DO FEEL LIKE I'M NOT THERE TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN TO GIVE THE FACTS.

THEY CAN ARGUE ABOUT WHAT THE FACTS ARE BUT MY JOB IS O DO THIS TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, GIVE THEM THE FACTS AND THEY CAN ARGUE HOWEVER THEY WANT TO.

>> Cathy: DO YOU EVER THE RESOURCES TO GET EVERYTHING THAT YOU WANT DONE?

I MEAN, IN TERMS OF PEOPLE, IN TERMS OF MONEY.

THIS IS A LOT.

>> IT IS A LOT.

LIKE I WAS TALKING EARLIER, I THINK ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES RIGHT NOW IS STAFFING.

IT'S A NATIONAL ISSUE.

ONE OF THE FIRST MEETINGS I HAD ON MONDAY WAS WITH H.R.

TO TALK ABOUT THOSE ISSUES, WHAT ARE WE DOING?

WHAT CAN -- ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN DO?

ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO DO IS LOOK AT OTHER CITIES AND SEE IF THEY'VE HAD SUCCESS, YOU KNOW, OTHER LARGE CITIES LIKE MINNEAPOLIS AND SEE IF THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO THERE.

SO STAFFING, WE GOT TO GET THAT UP.

AS FAR AS RESOURCES, I THINK A LOT OF THAT WILL DEPEND ON WHAT CITY COUNCIL WILL GIVE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A LONG-TERM PROJECT, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT YEAR.

WHAT WE GET FUNDING FROM CITY COUNCIL, WHAT PHILANTHROPIC FUNDING THAT WE'LL GET, AS WELL.

JUST REACHING OUT, YOU KNOW, USUALLY THERE'S STATE MONEY, THERE'S USUALLY FEDERAL MONEY.

JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR FUNDING OPTIONS.

>> Eric: AT THE NEWS CONFERENCE, MAYOR FREY SAID WITH OUR DIVERSE BACKGROUNDS IN ALL KINDS OF THINGS WITH CRIMINAL JUSTICE, THAT YOU CAN IDENTIFY GAPS.

HAVE YOU IDENTIFIED ANY IN THE WEEK YOU'VE BEEN ON-THE-JOB OR TOO EARLY TO SAY?

>> WELL, HERE'S ONE THING THAT I WOULD SAY THAT BECAME APPARENT TO ME AS I HAD MY FIRST MEETING WITH ALL FIVE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THEY WENT AROUND AND KIND OF GAVE ME SOME UPDATES.

WE DON'T DO A GOOD JOB AT GETTING OUT THE MESSAGE OF HOW MANY GOOD THINGS ARE HAPPENING IN THEIR DEPARTMENTS, AND WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB AT THAT.

THAT IS DEFINITELY ONE GAP.

>> Eric: BIG JOB.

GOOD LUCK, WE'LL BE WATCHING.

WE'LL BE WATCHING.

>> Cathy: COME BACK.

>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, SIR.

>> Eric: THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

♪ I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE SOMEBODY'S WATCHING ME AND I HAVE NO PRIVACY ♪ ♪ I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE, SOMEBODY'S WATCHING ME ♪ >> STILL NEEDS A HALLOWEEN COSTUME IDEAS, YOU'VE COME TO THE RIGHT PLACE.

HERE ARE EIGHT FOR THE PRICE OF ONE.

EVERYBODY'S HAD AN AMAZON DELIVERY THAT SIMPLY NEVER ARRIVED SO, SURPRISE, IT'S YOUR MISSING GORTEX BOOT LINERS.

IF INSTEAD OF JOY YOU PREFER TO SPREAD DESPAIR, YOU CAN TRY BEING A BOARD GAME WITH INCREDIBLY COMPLICATED INSTRUCTIONS.

TURNS OUTS THE HOME DEPOT IS ALREADY SELLING CHRISTMAS MERCHANDISE SO WHY NOT STEAL THEIR MARKET ANALYSIS AND GO AS AN IN-PERSON HOLIDAY STORE.

IF YOU WANT SOMETHING MORE CONFRONTATIONAL, YOU COULD DRESS UP LIKE A CARBON FOOTPRINT AND CRITICIZE LIFESTYLE CHOICES.

OR MAYBE IN CELEBRATION OF THIS YEAR'S OSAIRCIRCUMSTANCES REX SPACE MISSION WHICH SUCCESSFULLY ETURNED ASTEROID CHUNKS TO EARTHS, YOU COULD SAFE YOUR CANDY AND NEXT SUMMER LEAF A STALE TOOTSIE POP ON A STEP.

OR YOU COULD CHOREOGRAPH A DANCE AND BILL OURSES AS AN ENTANGLED GOES.

YOU OULD CREATE WHAT EINSTEIN CALLED SPOOKY ACTION AT A DISTANCE.

BY THE WAY, CONGRATULATIONS IF YOU ENJOYED THAT JOKE.

IT'S GUESSING IT LITTER ABOUT 15%.

HERE'S ONE, I CALL IT CAN YOU HELP ME MOVE MY COUCH?

OR FINALLY, YOU COULD GO AS THE WASHINGTON, D.C., SUPER-SIZED JIGSAW PUZZLE IN A TIME WHEN THE EXISTING WORLD WORLD IS BEING CHALLENGED ON ALL HUNTS, THE PLANETS WITH DEMOCRACY CAN'T EVEN SAVE THEMSELVES.

MAYBE IT'S YOU.

HAPPY HALL SEEN.

♪ HE DID THE MONITOR MOOCH ♪ ♪ THE MONSTER MATCH ♪ ♪ IT WAS A GRAVE YARDS SMASH] >> ERIC: THIS SUNDAY SEES THE PREMIER OF THE FOURTH EPISODE OF THE ART AND MEDICINE SERIES ON TPT2 AT 6:00 P.M. TPT COLLABORATED WITH THE CENTER FOR THE ART OF MEDICINE AT THE U OF M MEDICAL SCHOOL ON THE SERIES, WHICH EXAMINES OUR PERCEPTIONS OF DISABILITY THROUGH THE LENSES OF BOTH HEALTH CARE AND THE ARTS.

THIS NEW EPISODE FOCUSES ON DISABILITY CULTURE IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY.

HERE'S AN EXCERPT FROM ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS IN THE SHOW.

TAKE A LOOK.

>> ONE THING THAT'S BEEN REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME IN THE LAST FEW YEARS IS NURTURING A SENSE OF COMMUNITY AMONG OTHER DISABLED ARTISTS.

PARTS F IT IS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN AMPLIFIED IN OUR SOCIETY SO A LOT OF US FELT VERY ISOLATED BECAUSE WE WERE NAVIGATING THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IN A WAY THAT IS NOT VERY ACCESSIBLE RIGHT NOW.

>> FOR A LOT OF MY LIFE, I LIVED IN A WORLD NOT DESIGNED FOR ME.

>> YEP.

>> AND SO I HID IT FOR A LONG TIME AND IT WASN'T UNTIL I UNDERSTOOD THAT, HEY, I'M NOT GOING TO GET ANYWHERE IN LIFE WITHOUT ASKING FOR NOT HELP BUT, HEY, SUPPORT.

AND BEING OPEN AND BECOMING VULNERABLE WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

>> I LOVE THINKING ABOUT DISABILITY ULTURE BECAUSE IT REFRAMES DISABILITY FROM SOMETHING NEGATIVE INTO JUST A FORM OF DIVERSITY THAT REALLY CAN BE CELEBRATED.

>> IT LETS OTHER PEOPLE INTO THE WORLD.

>> YES.

>> AND INTO THE CULTURE BECAUSE WE'RE ALL JUST DIFFERENT BODIES AND ALL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BE IN THE SAME SPACE TOGETHER.

>> YEP.

>> WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THIS IS THAT WE BUILT A BIT OF CULTURE HERE.

WE ARE A CULTURE OF THREE, A COMMUNITY OF THREE.

>> UH-HUH.

>> RIGHT.

♪ I REALLY, WHY ARE YOU SO TORTURED?

TAKE A LOOK AROUND AND WATCH THE WORLD UNFOLD ♪♪ ♪ WATCH THE WORLD UNFOLD.

♪ ♪ WATCH THE WORLD UNFOLD.

♪ ♪ ATCH THE WORLD UNFOLD.

♪ ♪♪ [SCARY MUSIC] ♪ ALL THE CLOWNS ARE BEING CLOUSEED DOWN ♪♪ >> CATHY: MARIJUANA HAS BEEN LEGAL IN MINNESOTA FOR NEARLY THREE MONTHS NOW, AND IT'S BEEN A ROCKY START FOR MINNESOTA'S OFFICE OF CANNABIS MANAGEMENT, THE NEW STATE AGENCY CHARGED WITH REGULATION OF THE INDUSTRY.

THE GOVERNOR'S FIRST CHOICE FOR CANNABIS DIRECTOR MADE IT LESS THAN A DAY AND A REPLACEMENT HAS NOT YET BE NAMED.

THROUGH ALL THE UPS AND DOWNS, LONGTIME STATE GOVERNMENT VETERAN CHARLENE BRINER HAS BEEN THE INTERIM HEAD.

WELCOME BACK TO "ALMANAC."

IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

>> IT HAS BEEN A WHILE BUT THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> Cathy: WHAT STEPS ARE BEING TAKEN TO FIND A QUALIFIED CANDIDATE.

THE GOVERNOR WAS SAYING I'M GOING TO FIND ANOTHER QUALIFY CANDIDATE.

WHAT ARE THE STEPS BEING TAKEN?

>> I THINK WE'RE EVALUATING.

YOU'VE HEARD THE GOVERNOR TALK ABOUT, I THINK THAT HE'S STARTING TO EVOLVE IN HIS THINKING AS WE ALL HAVE ABOUT THE NEED FOR A REGULATOR IN THE ROLE.

SO, REALLY THINKING ABOUT SEVERAL BUCKETS.

CANNABIS REGULATORS OF WHICH THE UNIVERSE IS NOT HUGE, RIGHT?

SO A LITTLE MORE THAN -- A LITTLE UNDER HALF THE STATES IN THE NATION HAVE LEGALIZED CANNABIS OF SOME FORM OR ANOTHER AND SO LOOKING AT THE UNIVERSE OF WHETHER IT'S CAN BEST REGULATORS OR KNOWN REGULATORS IN OTHER AREAS, CERTAINLY I, WHEN I CAME INTO THIS INTERIM ROLE, DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CANNABIS BUT I DO UNDERSTAND HOW TO SETS UP A REGULATORY FRAMEWORK.

OR THERE ARE OTHER TALENTED INDIVIDUALS WHO BRING OTHER SKILLS SO WE'RE SORT OF LOOKING IN MULTIPLE BUCKETS AND TRYING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT OUR NEXT BEST STEPS ARE TO REACH OUT TO FOLKS.

>> Eric: WHY THE GAP BETWEEN LEGALIZING MARIJUANA IN LAST SUMMER AND THEN THE 2025 BEING THE DATE OF THE DISPENSARIES?

IS THAT GAP ON PURPOSE OR -- >> SO, IT IS WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER STATES.

SO IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO ACTUALLY MAKE A DECISION THAT IF THE STATE HAS MADE A DECISION THAT THIS WILL NO LONGER BE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, YOU DON'T WANT TO PENALIZE PEOPLE FOR IT.

WHAT THAT DOES IS CREATE THIS TRANSITIONAL PERIOD IN WHICH THE LEGISLATURE GAVE US A LOT OF WORK DO IN RULE-MAKING SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO CREATE THE BUSINESS RULES THAT GIVE US THE DIRECTION OF HOW TO IMPLEMENT THE LAW.

THAT'S VERY SIMILAR, THE TIMELINE WHICH IS A YEAR TO A YEAR AND A HALF IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SEE IN OTHER STATES.

>> Cathy: SETTING UP A REGULATORY FRAMEWORK, AND I KNOW YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE IN DOING THAT, THOUGH, IN THIS REGARD, MUST BE -- THERE SHOULD BE SOME PRETTY BIG CHALLENGES TO OVERCOME.

>> WELL, IT'S A LOT SO THIS IS REALLY NOVEL WORK.

IT IS ERY UNUSUAL FOR A STATE TO ACTUALLY BUILD A STATE AGENCY FROM THE GROUND UP, RIGHT?

YOU CAN MERGE AGENCIES, YOU CAN TAKE WORK STREAMS LIKE WE'RE SEEING WITH THE NEW DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN, FAMILIES AND YOUTH, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY STARTING FROM SCRATCH.

WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE BUILDING IS, WE HAVE TO WRITE JOB DESCRIPTIONS, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH RULE-MAKING ON A VARIETY OF TOPICS, EVERYTHING FROM QUALITY STANDARDS TO LABELING TO PRODUCT TESTING, TO PESTICIDE USE AND WATER DISPOSAL.

SO THERE IS A LOT TO DETERMINE IN TERMS OF HOW THIS WILL ACTUALLY STAND UP IN THE NEXT 16 TO 18 MONTHS.

>> Eric: IN THE CHARGE FOR THE NEW AGENCY, THIS IS A SOCIAL JUSTICE COMPONENT.

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT?

>> SO THAT'S REALLY ONE OF THE FOUNDATIONAL UNDERPINNING OF THIS NEW LAW SO WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE COMMUNITIES AND INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTED BY CRIMINALIZATION, AND SO I THINK THAT THE UTHORS AND THE ADVOCATES THAT REALLY WORKED HARD TO PASS THIS NEW LAW WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS SOME REPARATION, SOME HARM REPARATION DONE, INCLUDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOLKS TO ENTER THE BUSINESS, TO ENTER THE INDUSTRY, INCLUDING REINVESTMENT IN COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTED.

SO KEEPING THAT SOCIAL EQUITY LENS AT THE CENTER OF WHAT WE DO IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

IN ACT, ONE OF THE ONLY OFFICES SPECIFIED IN THE NEW LAW, OTHER THAN THE TRANSITION OF THE MEDICAL CANNABIS OFFICE FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, IS AN OFFICE OF SOCIAL EQUITY, WHICH IS REALLY GOING TO HELP US WITH EVERYTHING FROM HIRING PRACTICES TO HOW DO WE THINK ABOUT APPLICATIONS TO HOW DO WE GIVE SUPPORT AND ADVICE ON THE FRONT ENDS TO FOLKS?

>> Eric: SO THAT'S AN ASPECT AND YOU'VE SIGNED SOME CONTRACTS, I GUESS, IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS.

>> WE HAVE, YES.

>> Eric: IS THAT PART OF THE OUTREACH EFFORT FOR PEOPLE F COLOR OR -- >> SO WE CERTAINLY -- THE TWO CONTRACTS, NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE TO BUILD A LICENSING SYSTEM, RIGHT, SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE GETTING READY TO APPLY, WE WANT TO HAVE THE SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO PROCESS THAT.

THAT'S A MASSIVE JOB.

WE ALSO HAVE A PROJECT MANAGEMENT FIRM THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH WHO HAVE HELPED OTHER STATES AND CANADIAN PROVINCES AND TRIBES SET UP THEIR CANNABIS PROGRAMS.

PART OF THAT IS HOW DO WE BUILD AN ENGAGEMENT PLAN THAT REALLY, REALLY INVOLVES AND ENGAGES FOLKS THAT HAVE A VERSED INTEREST IN THIS, THE ADVOCATES WHO ARE VERY INTERESTED.

THERE ARE A LOT OF BIG FEELINGS ABOUT THIS LAW, NOT ONLY FOLKS THAT REALLY WELCOME IT BUT PEOPLE THAT HAVE CONCERNS, PUBLIC HEALTH ENTITIES, LAW NFORCEMENT, EDUCATORS, AND SO WE EALLY WANTS TO ENGAGE EVERYBODY WHO HAS A VESTED INTERESTS.

>> Cathy: ARE THERE ADEQUATE RESOURCE TOSS LAUNCH THIS NEW AND LARGE AND VERY COMPLICATED AGENCY?

>> YES.

SO THESE THE GOOD NEWS.

THE LEGISLATURE HAD THE FORESIGHT TO THEN NOT ONLY PASS SOME FUNDING FOR IMPLEMENTATION, SO FOR THIS EARLY STANDS-UP WORK, BUT THERE IS AN APPROPRIATION THAT THE AGENCY, THE ACTUAL OFFICE OF CANNABIS MANAGEMENT WILL HAVE ONCE WE'RE FULLY UP AND RUNNING.

>> Eric: I'M GUESSING JUST LIKE THE LICKER BILL AT THE LEGISLATURE, THERE WILL BE A MARIJUANA BILL EVERY SESSION?

>> I HEARD A LEGISLATOR SAY THAT PROHIBITION STEP WHEREAS STOPPED 100 YEARS AGO AND THEY STILL HAVE LIQUOR LAWS COMING IN.

WE NEED TO ASK WHAT ARE THE CHANGES WE WANT TO SO WE CAN I WANT MENTION WELL AND LAUNCH A WELL-REGULATED INDUSTRY.

>> Eric: THANKS NOR COMING.

THANK YOU.

.

[THEME SONG FROM "THE ADDAMS FAMILY] ♪ THEY'RE CREEPY AND COOKIE, MYSTERIOUS AND SPOOK' ♪ >> HALLOWEEN IS COMING.

- NOT AN EASY TIME FOR US DOCTORS, MOSTLY BECAUSE THEY START SHOWING ALL THE SCARY, EVIL DOCTOR MOVIES AGAIN.

LOTS OF TV CHANNELS START PLAYING LATE NIGHT MOVIES ON SHOWS LIKE "“DR.

CHILLER'’S MONSTER HORROR THEATER.

"” IT'’S SO RIDICULOUS.

"“DR.

"” CHILLER DIDN'T EVEN GET INTO MEDICAL SCHOOL, BECAUSE HE ONLY GOT A 97 ON THE MCATS.

HE'’S PROBABLY STILL ON THE WAIT LIST.

YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE HOW MANY SCARY DOCTORS THERE ARE.

THERE'’S DR. FRANKENSTEIN, DR. NO, DR. DOOM, DR.

EVIL, DR. HORRIBLE, DR. JECKYLL, DR. HANNIBAL LECTER, DR. GIGGLES, DR. MOREAU, DR. CALIGARI, DR. PHIBES, AND THE SCARIEST ONE OF ALL, DR. OZ.

NOT SURE HOW ALL THIS SCARY DOCTOR STUFF GOT STARTED.

I GUESS IT COULD BE THE WHITE COAT.

IT CAN MAKE A DOCTOR LOOK SCARY TO SOME PEOPLE, KIND OF LIKE A GHOST WEARING GLASSES.

WE COULD PROBABLY DO WITHOUT THE COAT, BUT THEN WHERE ARE WE GOING TO KEEP ALL THE STUFF TO POKE YOU WITH?

ALL THIS JUST MAKES PEOPLE AFRAID TO GO TO THE DOCTOR.

IT'’S TOO BAD BECAUSE WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN THE OFFICE GETTING PEOPLE TO NOT BE AFRAID OF DOCTORS.

WITH LITTLE KIDS, WE TRY TO CALM THEM DOWN AND REASSURE THEM THAT THE CLINIC IS A SAFE PLACE, THERE'’S NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT, AND WE ONLY WANT TO HELP THEM.

THEN THE NURSE COMES IN AND GIVES THEM A SHOT.

WITH GROWNUPS, IT'S DIFFERENT.

WE REASSURE THEM, GET THEM ALL CALMED DOWN, THEN WE DO STUFF THAT MAKES THEM WISH THEY ONLY GOT A SHOT.

BUT, REALLY, MOSTLY WHAT DOCTORS DO IS TALK.

SOME WOULD SAY BOSSY ADVICE.

"“STOP DOING THAT.

DON'’T EAT THAT.

LOSE SOME WEIGHT.

GET OUT, DO SOME WALKING ONCE IN A WHILE."”.

SO, OKAY, WE MAY BE BOSSY BUT THERE'’S NO REASON TO THINK ALL DOCTORS ARE SCARY.

IT'’S JUST A HALLOWEEN THING.

JUST TO PLAY IT SAFE, IF YOU EVER SEE A DOCTOR TALKING ON TV DURING OCTOBER, DON'T PAY ANY ATTENTION AT ALL.

[Applause] APPLAUSE APPLAUSE ♪♪ ♪ I WAS HIT BY SOMETHING IN MY SLEEP ♪♪ >> ERIC: WE COVERED CONGRESSMAN DEAN PHILLIPS' ENTRY INTO THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL RACE EARLIER IN THE SHOW.

THIS WEEK ALSO FEATURED ANOTHER MINNESOTAN IN D.C.

BEING TAPPED FOR REPUBLICAN HOUSE SPEAKER BEFORE THAT FAILED.

AND YET ANOTHER MEMBER OF CONGRESS FROM THE NORTH STAR STATE IS SEEKING A LEADERSHIP POSITION.

POLITICAL REPORTER MARY LAHAMMER IS BACK WITH SOME CONTEXT ON WHAT THESE MOVES MEAN BACK HERE IN MINNESOTA.

>> FROM AN OUTSIDE POINT OF VIEW THESE LAST FEW WEEKS PROBABLY LOOKED LIKE TOTAL CHAOS, CONFUSION.

NO END IN SIGHT.

BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS ONE OF THE GREATEST EXPERIENCES IN THE RECENT HISTORY OF OUR REPUBLIC.

>> Mary: CONGRESSMAN EMMER'S QUEST FOR THE TOP MEMBERSHIP POSITION IN THE NATION' CAPITOL BROUGHT A LOT OF SHORT-LIVED ATTENTION.

WE BEGIN WHERE BE E.REPUBLICAN TOM EMMER.

MORE THAN A DECADE AGO, WE TOLD THE STORY OF -- IT LED HIM TO ALASKA.

>> A LOT OF GROWING UP, A LOT OF MATURITY THAT HAD O COME.

RONALD REAGAN VISITED ALASKA WHEN I WAS THERE, HE WAS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA IN FAIRBANKS AND IT WAS KIND OF MY AWAKENING.

>> THEY ARE WELCOME AT THE STATE CAPITOL.

>> ary: REPUBLICAN FORMER MINORITY LEVEL, MARTY SEIFERT, SERVED WITH EMMER IN THE MINNESOTA LEGISLATURE.

>> EMMER.

EMMER, PASS.

>> Mary: LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH TOM EMMER.

HE DID NOT VOTE FOR YOU IN LEADERSHIP ON THE MINNESOTA HOUSE LOOR.

YOU RAN AGAINST EACH OTHER FOR GOVERNOR.

>> I APPRECIATE TOM FOR WHO HE IS AND WHAT HE'S ACCOMPLISHED.

HE'S BEEN A GOOD FORCE FOR MINNESOTA AND OBVIOUSLY HAS RISEN UP TO THE NUMBER 3 SPOT IN THE U.S. HOUSE SO, YOU KNOW, HE DESERVES ACCOLADES FOR THAT.

>> Mary: HE WAS, YOU KNOW, A TEA PARTY -- A CONSERVATIVE, HE WAS SEEN AS ALMOST AN EXTREMIST IN MINNESOTA POLITICS BUT HE WASN'T EXTREME ENOUGH IN D.C., IS THAT FAIR?

>> YEAH, I MEAN, CERTAINLY SOME THINGS HAVE CHANGED, I SUPPOSE, OVER TIME AND THE TEA PARTY HAS NOW BEEN KIND OF REPLACED IN SOME WAY WITH A LOT OF THE DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTERS.

>> Mary: EMMER'S POLITICAL AND PRESS RELATIONS WHILE AT THE STATE CAPITOL WERE FIESTY.

>> CAN I ASK YOU ONE MORE QUESTION?

TALK WRING ABOUT MEDICINE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POT.

CASTRATION.

A CHEMICAL CASTRATION.

>> Mary: HE ALSO HAD TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS D.W.I.s.

YOU WOULD TO CELL THE KIDS ABOUT THE D.W.I.s, YOU HAD TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT.

>> BE RESPONSIBLE.

WHEN YOU MAKE A MISTAKE, DON'T RUN FROM IT.

>> Mary: HOW DID YOU ADDRESS IT?

DID YOU STOP DRINKING?

>> THIS IS NOT ABOUT THAT HISTORY.

I HAVE ADDRESSED IT BY MAKING SURE THAT I DON'T MAKE THE MISTAKES THAT WE HAVE MADE IN THE PAST.

>> Mary: IN MINNESOTA, IT WAS PROBABLY THE D.W.I.s AND THE ADS AGAINST HIM THAT HURT HIS RUN FOR GOVERNOR.

LOOKS LIKE IT WAS TRUMP THAT DERAILED HIS SEEKING THE SPEAKERSHIP, RIGHT?

>> YEAH, IT WOULD APPEAR THAT WAY.

YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE FOUR HOURS, I THINK, FROM WHEN THE CONFERENCE ADJOURNED UNTIL -- AND THEN THE TWEET WENT OUT I THINK MAYBE ABOUT TWO HOURS LATER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THEN THE WITHDRAWAL WAS MAYBE TWO HOURS AFTER THAT.

IT'S HARD TO KEEP TRACK OF ALL THIS BECAUSE IT'S SO TUMULTUOUS IN WASHINGTON RIGHT NOW.

MAYBE WITH THE NEW SPEAKER THEY'LL GET ON TRACK, THEY'LL GET THE MESSAGE UNIFIED WITH THE RIGHT MESSENGER AND MOVE FORWARD.

THE COUNTRY NEEDS A GOOD, HEALTHY TWO-PARTY SYSTEM BUT THEY ALSO NEED THE PARTIES TO BE MAINSTREAM AND NORMAL.

>> Mary: AFTER A CLOSE CONTEST FOR GOVERNOR THAT INCLUDED AN EXPENSIVE UNSUCCESSFUL RECOUNT, EMMER ULTIMATELY CONCEDED THE RATE TO GOVERNOR MARK DAYTON.

>> I'VE TOLD YOU BEFORE, MARY, AND I KNOW THAT YOU'VE LOOKED AT ME AND SAID, YOU CAN'T BE THAT BIG TOUGH OLD PIECE OF LEATHER.

THERE IS NO CRYING IN POLITICS AND I'VE TOLD MY FAMILIAR -- MY FAMILY'S BEEN GREAT.

>> Mary: THE GUBERNATORIAL RECOUNTS THAT EMMER WAS IN COST THE PARTY A LOT OF MONEY AND IS IT FAIR THEY'RE STILL KIND OF DIGGING OUT FROM THAT IN THE STATE?

>> I THINK THEY DID FINALLY GET OST OF THAT PAID OFF AT ONE TIME BUT IT IS A- >> Mary: BUT IT WAS A SETSBACK, WASN'T IT?

>> IT WAS A HUGE SETBACK FOR YEARS.

>> Mary: EMMER REBOUNDED ON A RUN FOR CONGRESS AND CONTINUED TO SHOW AMBITION.

>> >> I NEVER SAY NO TO ANYTHING.

>> Mary: WHAT ABOUT ALL THE ANGST AND TURMOIL, HOW IS THE PARTIES FARING AS A BANDS AFTER EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED, NATIONALLY?

>> IT'S EMBARRASSING AT LEAST IN THE SHORT TERM.

>> THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE IS BACK IN BUSINESS.

[Cheering] >> Mary: AND ANOTHER MINNESOTAN, CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELE FISCHBACH ENTERED THE FRAY FOR VICE CHAIR WITH HER PAST OF FLIPPING A SEAT.

>> BANNING ABORTION, ELECTION DENIAL, IS THAT HARD FOR THE PARTY NATIONALLY?

>> IF YOU FOLLOW WHERE THE ACTUAL BUTCHER, BAKER, MEMBERS IN D.C.ARE NOT WHERE THE AVERAGE PERSON IS.

♪♪ ♪ AHOO, WERE WOLVES OF LONDON ♪ >> I THINK IF PAUL WERE HERE, HE'D WANT US TO THINK ABOUT ONE THING AND THAT IS TO CARRY ON THE FIGHT THAT HE LED WITH SUCH BRILLIANCE AND COURAGE OVER ALL OF THESE YEARS.

AND PAUL AND SHEILA, WE INTEND TO DO THAT.

>> PAUL WELLSTONE HAD A PASSION FOR THE GOOD THINGS FOR PEOPLE AND HE XPRESSED IT BRILLIANTLY IN THE FLOOR OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE, AND HERE IN MINNESOTA.

HE WAS A AN OF ENORMOUS ABILITY BUT, MOST OF ALL, HE WAS A CARING PERSON.

>> PAUL AND SHEILA LOVE PEOPLE.

I HAD LUNCH WITH PAUL NOT TOO LONG AGO IN THE SENATE DINING ROOM.

WHAT OTHER UNITED STATES SENATOR WOULD GO INTO THE KITCHEN AND THANK THE DISHWASHER?

[Laughter] >> THANK THE COOKS?

FOR THE LUNCH.

[Applause] THAT WAS PAUL WELLSTONE.

♪♪ >> CATHY: ANOTHER BIG NATIONAL POLITICAL WEEK, AS WE'VE NOTED THROUGHOUT THE SHOW TONIGHT.

SEVERAL MEMBERS OF MINNESOTA'S CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION FEATURED PROMINENTLY IN THE HEADLINES.

LET'S JUMP RIGHT IN WITH THIS WEEK'S POLITICAL PANEL.

DEMOCRATS ON THE COUCH TONIGHT, JAVIER MORILLO IS A LONGTIME PARTY ACTIVIST AND FORMER NATIONAL COMMITTEE MAN.

ABOU AMARA, FORMER LEGISLATIVE STAFFER, NOW ATTORNEY.

REPUBLICANS JOINING US TONIGHT, ANNETTE MEEKS, FORMER STAFFER TO U. S. HOUSE SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH, NOW HEAD OF THE FREEDOM FOUNDATION OF MINNESOTA.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, BRIAN MCDANIEL, FORMER LEGISLATIVE STAFFER, NOW LOBBYIST AND STAND-UP COMEDIAN.

ABOU, ET'S TALK ABOUT DEAN PHILLIPS.

>> YEAH.

>> Cathy: HE'S RUNNING TO PREVENT DONALD TRUMP FROM BEING ELECTED.

I'M WONDERING, HOW, HOW IS BEING AFRAID OF SOMETHING A WINNING STRATEGY?

>> YEAH, I'M NOT GOING TO LIE, SOMEONE WHO'S KNOWN HIM FOR A LONG TIME, HAS RESPECTED HIM IS SOMEWHAT CONFUSED BY THE ROLL-OUT.

THERE'S CONTRADICTIONS IN TERMS OF THE MESSAGING, AND THERE'S NOT A CLEAR THEORY OF THE PATH.

I MEAN, HOW DO YOU ENDS UP GETTING THE DELEGATES YOU NEED TO WIN?

YOU'RE NOT ON THE BALLOT IN NEVADA SO BOUNCING AROUND THE COUNTRY.

SO THE ROLL-OUT IS CONFUSING TO SAY THE LEAST.

>> Cathy: JAVIER.

>> LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON THE SHOW, I I WENT IN HARD AND SAID HE WAS EMBARRASSING HIMSELF.

NOW HE'S AN EMBARRASSMENT TO THE COUNTRY.

TOM EMPTOR WAS SPEAR DESIGNATE FOR A FEW HOURS AND THEN THIS LAUNCH.

HE HAS AN AN ADVISOR STEVEN SCHMIT WHO'S NOT ONLY THE PERSON MOST SINGULARLY RESPONSIBLE FOR HOISTING SARAH PALEN ON TO THE UNITED STATES AND THE WORLD BUT INCOMPETENT AND WHICH WE SAW IN TODAY'S ROLL-OUT.

I JUST -- I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT CONGRESSMAN PHILLIPS IS THINKING AND IT'S JUST EMBARRASSING.

>> Cathy: WHAT DO OUR REPUBLICAN FRIENDS THINK?

>> WELL, AS A SMALL D DEMOCRAT, I MEAN, COMPETITION IS GOOD AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A PRINCIPLED STANCE SAYING THAT EITHER THE POLICIES OR THE COMPETENCIES OF THE PRESIDENT AREN'T THERE, AND THAT'S A DANGER TO LOSE TO POTENTIALLY DONALD TRUMP OR NIKKI HALLE, THEN THAT MAKES SENSE, AND I APPLAUD IT.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, KNOWING DEAN A LITTLE BIT, I -- YEAH, I WOULDN'T HAVE PEGGED HIM FOR A VANITY PROJECT AND THIS REACTION A LITTLE BIT OF THAT.

HE'S NOT STUPID, HE'S NOT CRAZY SO WHAT IS THIS?

AND HE MIGHT IMPRESS US IN THE COMING WEEKS OR MONTHS BUT IT'S NOT LOOKING GOOD RIGHT NOW.

>> I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HIS PATH TO VICTORY STHAT'S WHAT I LOOK AT AND SAY I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE DOING THIS AND WHY YOU'RE DOING THIS WITH A REJECTED REPUBLICAN CONSULTANT THAT'S KIND OF A BOTTOM FEEDSER IN OUR WORLD OF REPUBLICAN WORKERS, WHY WOULD YOU HIRE SOMEBODY LIKE THAT IF OU'RE RUNNING TRULY AS A DEMOCRAT?

AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHAT'S YOUR PRINCIPLED OBJECTION TO THE PRESIDENT OTHER THAN YOU THINK HE'S TOO OLD?

YOU VOTED WITH HIM 100% OF THE TIME.

I DON'T THINK THIS LOOKS VERY PRINCIPLED.

>> Eric: BUT THIS IS A PLACE TO SEND A MESSAGE.

NEW HAMPSHIRE'S DELEGATES AREN'T GOING TO COUNT.

THE NEW HAMPSHIRE IS UPSET BECAUSE SOUTH CAROLINA IS NOW THE FIRST IN THE NATION T MATTED BY NEW ENGINEER IN SOUTH CAROLINA, BIDEN IS NOT ON THE BALLOT IN NEW HAMPSHIRE.

IF DEMOCRATS WANT TO SEND A MESSAGE WITHOUT MUCH CONGRESS, WON'T NEW HAMPSHIRE BE THE PLACE?

>> BUT THINK OF HOW THIS PLAYS OUT.

SOUTH CAROLINA WILL BEING FIRST, IT WILL BE AN OVERWHELMING VICTORY FOR THE INCOMING PRESIDENT.

IT -- WHICH IS BLACK VOTE TEST, ARTICULARLY BLACK WOMEN AND PEOPLE ARE ALREADY EXPRESSING FRUSTRATION WITH DEAN PHILLIPS IS JUST SKIPPING OVER BLACK VOTERS.

AGAIN, THE BACKBONE OF THE PARTY, TO THEN, LIKE, IT WILL BE A NON -- IT WILL BE A NON-HEADLINE BY THEN SO THE FACT THAT IN A CONTEST THAT -- IN A PLACE THAT BIDEN IS NOT COMPETING, THAT HE GETS DELEGATES, WHO CARES.

>> Eric: McCARTY, 1948, ANOTHER MINNESOTAN, WINS THE PRIMARY.

>> SOME PEOPLE ARE MAKING THAT COMPARISON, ONE OF THE 6 WAS THERE WAS A MASSIVE WAR U AN A NATIONAL PROTEST, YOU HAD EVERYBODY SAYING THEY WANTED OUT OF THE WAR.

THE CONDITIONS ON THE GROUNDS WERE VERY DIFFERENT AT THE TIME.

YOU ALSO HAD THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT, THE BACK DROP OF THAT.

HERE YOU EVER WITHIN HIS OWN PARTY A VERY POPULAR PRESIDENT WHO HAS ACCOMPLISHED A LOOT OF LEGISLATIVE THINGS, AND SO THE CONTRAST HERE, I JUST THINK THE '68 EXAMPLE IS SO WILDLY DIFFERENT THAN WHERE WE ARE.

>> AND IT'S NOT LIKE DEMOCRATS DON'T HAVE SOMETHING TO BE AFRAID OF.

WE'RE POLLING TOO FAR OUT AND POLLS ARE LESS AND LESS -- LESS AND LESS OF USE TO US BUT THE POLLING FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN IS REALLY, REALLY BAD.

AND AT A TIME WHERE MOST OF US ARE WALKING AROUND SAYING, NOBODY LIKES DONALD TRUMP, WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLLS, I MEAN, AT WORST IT'S KIND OF 50-50 AND IN SOME KEY STATES, LIKE PENNSYLVANIA, DONALD TRUMP IS PREDICTED TO BE WAY UP.

>> RIGHT.

>> THAT'S AGAIN WHAT DOESN'T MAKE ESSENTIAL.

ALL HE'S DOING, HE KEEPS SAYING HE'S DOING THERE TO PREVENTS DONALD TRUMP FROM BECOMING PRESIDENT.

REALLY, HE'S DOING THE OPPOSITE, STRENGTHENING TRUMPED CAUSING A SCHISM IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

>> Eric: JAVIER, DO YOU CONSIDER EMMER A RHINO IN -- >> THAT WAS A BIZARRE MOMENT.

THE TOM EMMER I KNOW, THAT WE NO IN MINNESOTA IS A VERY CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN.

I JUST THINK IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF HOW EXTREME HE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS GOTTEN, THAT NOW IT'S THE THEIR HIGHEST LEADING ELECTED OFFICIAL WAS NOT JUST SOMETHING WHO WANTS TO BAN GAZE MARRIAGE, WANTS TO BAN GAY SEX, SOMEONE WHO WANTS A NORMAL ABORTION BAN, WHO IS AN ELECTION DENIER.

WE HAD PEOPLE LIKE CONGRESSMAN KEN BUCK GOT A LOT OF POSITIVE PRESS FOR SAYING HE WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR JIM JORDAN BECAUSE HE'S AN ELECTION DENIER AND THEN HE TURNS AROUND AND VOTES FOR THE GUY WHO WAS THE ARCHITECT WIN CONGRESS OF THAT ELECTION DIE NILISM.

IT'S BONKERS.

>> Eric: YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH SPEAKERS IN WASHINGTON.

LEAGUES YOUR VIEW OF THIS.

>> >> '6" INDEED, BESIDE THE CRAZY EIGHT THAT STARTED ALL THIS, IT'S BEEN A BLACK MARK ON THE REPUBLIC TO BE VERY HONEST.

I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY UNFORTUNATE WHAT HAPPENED TO SPEAKER McCARTHY, DIDN'T DESERVE THIS AND I DON'T WANT THAT, I JUST WANT TO PUT IN A PLUG FOR OUR FRIEND AND I THINK ALL OF US CONSIDER TOM EMMER A FRIEND, I THOUGHT HE DID REMARKABLY WELL AND HAD SUCH CLASS THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE HORRIBLE PROCESS.

HE DESERVED SO MUCH BETTER AND I REALLY WISH HE WERE HE SPEAKER BECAUSE I THINK HE WOULD DO A LOT BETTER JOB BUT AS IT IS I'M VERY PROUD OF TOM.

>> Cathy: BUT YET, TOM EMMER SAID IT WAS THE GREATEST EXPERIENCE?

OUR REPUBLIC?

>> WELL, HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SAY, ONCE AGAIN, AS A SMALL D DEMOCRAT, I THINK THE COMPETITION IS GOOD.

AND THIS IS DUE PROCESS, THIS IS -- THIS IS DEMOCRACY.

WE JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND OR PARTICULARLY LIKE THE OUTCOME.

>> Cathy: LOOK AT THE MESS, THOUGH, TO MOST PEOPLE.

>> IT'S A MESS BUT IT'S A MESS THAT WAS UNAVOIDABILITY ONCE YOU ALLOWED ONE MEMBER TO MAKE A -- A -- TO RECALL A SPEAKER.

SO IN THAT RESPECT, I UNDERSTAND WHAT TOM IS SAYING AND I AGREE WITH HIM TO A CERTAIN POINT, AND I THINK, LIKE ANNETTE SAID, I'M VERY PROUD OF HOW TOM EMMER HANDLED THIS.

AND I DON'T WANT THAT.

I DON'T WANT THIS FOR TOM EMMER.

MY FRIEND TOM SHOULDN'T BE SPEAKER FOR A WHILE AND THEN HAVE TO BE BEHOLDEN TO THE CRAZIES IN THAT GROUP.

>> LOOK, I THINK TOM EMMER IS A TRADITION 1990ED CONNING SEVER ACTIVE REPUBLICAN AT A TIME WHEN THE MAGA REPUBLICANS ARE IN CONTROL, AND SO I ACTUALLY THINK THE AVALANCHE MIGHT NOT BE OVER HERE.

I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE POSSIBLY A PRIMARY CHALLENGE TO HIM, YOU'RE ALREADY SEEING IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, HERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME COMPARISONS TO SOME REPUBLICANS ELSEWHERE, I DON'T WANT TO POINT AT LIZ CHENEY AND OTHERS, BUT THAT'S AN EXAMPLE.

IF YOU ARE SEASON AS A PARIAH WITHIN YOUR OWN PARTY, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THIS MAGA CONTEXT, YOU'RE TARGET POTENTIALLY TO BE PRIMARIED.

>> Eric: PRESIDENT TRUMP IS STILL POWERFUL.

>> YEAH, I DON'T THINK EMMER LAST TO WORRY ABOUT HIS DISTRICT, AND I THINK TOM CAME OUT AHEAD ON THIS THING, GETTING A NICE NATIONAL AUDIENCE TO LOOK AT HIM AND HIS THOUGHTSFUL WAY OF -- >> TOM EVER LOST THE ACE IN TWO TWEETS FROM TRUMP.

IF TRUMP DECIDES HE WANTS EMMER TO BE GONE, HE'LL BE GONE.

>> YOU WOULD THINK THE OTHER 216 MEMBERS OF CONGRESS DON'T VOTES IN THE DISTRICT OF MINNESOTA.

>> AND TOM HAS A VERY CONSERVATIVE REPUTATION AND A LOT OF THE REASONS THAT HE'S BEING ATTACKED BY THE MAGA PEOPLE AND DONALD TRUMP ARE THINGS THAT WOULD PLAY VERY WELL FOR TOM EMMER IF HE CLOSE TO RUN FOR SOMETHING ELSE SOME DAY BECAUSE HE CAN POINT TO THE TWEETS, IF ANYONE SAYS YOU'RE JUST A TRUMPTER, NO, I'M NOT, THAT GUY DOESN'T LIKE ME AT ALL.

>> Cathy: WE WERE STALKING ABOUT THE EMMER BEING PRIMARY.

WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN HERE GOING BACK TO DEAN PHILLIPS, SO HE TOLD CLADS HARTMAN TODAY, IF HE LOSES, HE PLANS TO RUN FOR REELECTION.

WOULDN'T HE -- >> I HAVE TO MANIFEST MIZE DESIRE, CONGRESSMAN STEVE SIMON, THAT'S WHO I THINK STEVE SIMON, OUR SECRETARY OF STATE WOULD BE A FANTASTIC CANDIDATE.

I HOPE HE RUNS AND I HOPE HE SAYS HE'LL RUN NO MATTER WHAT.

BECAUSE, FIRST OF ALL, THERE ARE A LOT OF DEMOCRATS IN DISTRICT THAT ARE VERY UPSET.

AND IT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST THAT, LIKE, PEOPLE RUN FOR ONE EAT AND ENDORSEMENTS, PEOPLE -- DEMOCRATS WILL HOLD OFF ON ENDORSING.

THE PEOPLE IN DISTRICT THERE ARE PRETTY UPSET.

I THINK -- AND I DON'T THINK THERE ARE IN ANY MOODS TO BE DOING HIM ANY FAVORS.

AND I THINK AFTER HONESTLY AFTER THIS -- LOOK AT HOW EMBARRASSING TODAY WENT AND HOW MBARRASSING AND HUMILIATE INK THE PRIMARIES ARE GOING TO BE, HE'S GOING TO BE -- THE POLITICAL HIT TO HIM, HE MAY NOT -- I MAY JUST WANT TO GO OFF AND RETIRE AFTER THAT.

>> Eric: ABOU, FROM THE TED CRUZ PODCAST.

>> OKAY.

>> Eric: AT THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVEX, PRESIDENT BIDEN GETS OUSTED AND NOMINATED INSTEAD FOR PRESIDENT, MICHELLE OBAMA.

>> YEAH, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

WE SHOULD NOT TAKE DEMOCRATIC STRATEGY FROM TED CRUZ.

I DON'T THINK HE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT DEMOCRATIC POLITICS.

THE FACTS OF THE MATTER S JOE BIDEN IS GOING TO BE THE NOMINEE AND HE'S IN A STRONG POSITION, LTHOUGH THE POLLING IS TOUGH RIGHT NOW, BUT AS THE CONTRAST GETS CLEAR AND IT'S TRUMP VERSUS BIDEN, I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL SAY BIDEN IS THE CHOICE.

>> Eric: HOW IS AMY KLOBUCHAR -- HOW ANOISE IS KLOBUCHAR WITH THE PHILLIPS SITUATION?

>> I WOULD GUESS, I DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN BUT I WOULD GUESS PRETTY ANEEDS.

I THINK THE ENTIRE DILL DELL TAGS IS VERY ANOISE.

-- THE ENTIRE DELEGATION IS VERY ANNOYED.

SOME OF THAT I'VE HEARD DIRECTLY, NO ONE UNDERSTANDS THIS.

>> Cathy: MICHELLE F.B.I.

FISCHBACH FOR A EADER IN THE HOUSE.

>> THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL AND I HEAR SHE'S DOING VERY WELL.

SHE'S VERY WELL-RESPECTED, SHE'S ON WAYS AND MEANS AND THE RULES COMMITTEE AND THEY TRUST HER A LOT AND ETHICS.

SHE'S MADE A LOT OF FRIENDS IN A VERY SHORT PERIODS OF TIME AND I THINK HER LETTER WAS REALLY WELL SAID WHEN SHE SAID, I'M USED TO WORKING WITH A IS THERE ARE VERY SLIM MAJORITY AND PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW DIFFICULT THAT IS.

>> Eric: THOSE ARE BIG COMMITTEES FOR A RELATIVE NEWCOMBER.

GOOD JOB, PANEL.

THANKS.

>> Cathy: THANKS.

GOOD WORK.

♪♪ >> I WANT TO RESCIND THE TAX CUTS ON THE WEALTHIEST AMERICANS BECAUSE NORM BELIEVES THAT WEALTH STARTS AT THE TOP AND TRICKLES DOWN.

I BELIEVE THAT THE MIDDLE CLASS -- I BELIEVE THAT THE MIDDLE CLASS -- >> AL HAS SAID THIS MANY TIMES.

I WANT TO STOP RIGHT THERE.

PLEASE, AL, DON'T TELL ME ABOUT THAT I BELIEVE THAT WEALTH TRICKLES DOWN.

I'VE BEEN THE MAYOR OF St. PAUL, WALKING THE STREETS, FIGURING OUT HOW TO GROWTH WEALTH AND DO JOKES AND I FOUND OUT YOU DO IT BY KIPPING LIDS ON TAXES AND SPENDING.

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