[♪♪] GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO KENTUCKY TONIGHT.

I'M RENEE SHAW.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

TONIGHT, WE’RE LOOKING AHEAD TO TOMORROW’S 2024 PRIMARY ELECTION, AS KENTUCKY REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS PICK NOMINEES FOR THE U.S. HOUSE, THE STATE HOUSE AND SENATE, AND LOCAL OFFICES.

WE’VE BEEN FOLLOWING SOME VERY INTERESTING CONTESTS IN THE STATE HOUSE AND SENATE.

SOME RACES PIT VETERAN INCUMBENTS AGAINST POLITICAL NEWCOMERS.

IN OTHERS, FORMER LAWMAKERS ARE TRYING TO MAKE COMEBACKS.

COULD TOMORROW’S RESULTS INFLUENCE THE DIRECTION OF THE KENTUCKY GENERAL ASSEMBLY DURING THE 2025 SESSION?

TO DISCUSS ALL OF THIS, WE’RE JOINED IN OUR LEXINGTON STUDIO BY TRES WATSON, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST AND FOUNDER OF CAPITOL REINS PR; MORGAN EAVES, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE KENTUCKY DEMOCRATIC PARTY; IRIS WILBUR GLICK, REPUBLICAN CONSULTANT AND FOUNDER OF IW STRATEGIES; AND JARED SMITH, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST AND PARTNER AT PIPER-SMITH.

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GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL.

IT LOOKS LIKE CHRISTMAS?

>> CHRISTMAS EVE.

>> Renee: DO YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S CHRISTMAS EVE?

HIM.

THERE IS AN INTERESTING ENERGY IN THE AIR.

>> Renee: DEFINE SUCH ENERGY.

>> YOU KNOW, RENEE, THIS CYCLE THOSE OF US IN THE THICK OF IT, WE ALWAYS SAY THIS BUT THIS IS A UNIQUE ONE JUST BECAUSE WE'RE IN AN EVEN NUMBER YEAR, IT IS A PRESIDENTIAL YEAR, YES.

BUT WHAT WILL BE DRIVING VOTER TURNOUT?

WE HAVE THE PRESUMED NOMINEES AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET IT COMES DOWN TO THE LOCAL RACES, STATE LEGISLATIVE RACES ARE THE HOTLY CONTESTED ONES.

ULTIMATELY WHICH TEAM SHOWS UP, WHICH TEAM FOR THESE CANDIDATES SHOW UP TO THE NOMINEE.

>> Renee: I WANT TO ASK YOU, MORGAN, WHAT IS AT STAKE THIS ELECTION CYCLE?

IS IT GOING TO BE ISSUE-DRIVE ESPECIALLY OR PERSONALITY DRIVEN ARE PEOPLE VOTING FOR SOMETHING OR AGAINST SOMEBODY?

>> I THINK IT IS A MIX OF BOTH.

PARTICULARLY AS IRIS WAS TALKING ABOUT IN A PRESIDENTIAL YEAR WHERE WE HAVE TWO PRESUMED NOMINEES, THE LOCAL RACES REALLY ARE DRIVING THAT AND WHAT IS AT STAKE IS YOU KNOW A LOT OF RIGHTS FOR WORKING FAMILIES IN KENTUCKY IF WE LOOK AT WHAT THE G.O.P.

HAS BEEN DOING THESE LAST FEW SESSIONS.

THEY'VE TRIED TO REDUCE SNAP BENEFITS AND ROLLBACK CHILD LABOR LAWS AND TAKE AWAY LUNCH BREAKS FROM WORKERS AND DEFUND PUBLIC SCHOOLS ALL OF THAT IS ON THE BALLOT RIGHT NOW.

AND ALSO PERSONALITY MATTERS.

IT MATTERS WHETHER YOU HAVE A COMPELLING PERSON WHO YOU FEEL PERSONALLY INVESTED IN LIKE IS DOING THE WORK AT THE LOCAL LEVEL WHETHER YOU GET OUT AND VOTE.

>> Renee: WHEN YOU MENTION ABOUT THOSE ISSUES THAT MAYBE DRIVING VOTERS, BUT DRIVING VOTERS NOT IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARIES, BECAUSE THERE IS NOT AS MANY AS THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES.

ARE DEMOCRATS GETTING OUT THAT MESSAGE AND HOW?

>> I THINK DEMOCRATS ARE GETTING OUT THE MESSAGE.

LOOK, THE REPUBLICANS COULD MAYBE FOCUS A LITTLE BIT MORE ON QUANTITY OVER QUALITY.

A LOT OF THE FOLKS ON THE BALLOT THIS YEAR ON THE G.O.P.

SIDE ARE A THORN IN THE SIDE FOR QUOTE-UNQUOTE ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS AND WILL CAUSE A LOT OF CHAOS IN CAUCUSES LED BY DAVID OSBORNE AND SENATE PRESIDENT ROBERT STIVERS WHY YOU HAVE FOLKS LIKE MY FRIEND TRES WHO RUN PACTINGS PUTTING MONEY IN THE OUTLIER CANDIDATES.

>> Renee: LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT Mr. WATSON.

WE'LL TOSS TO YOU.

>> GOT TO TOSS IT TO MY FRIEND.

>> YOU GUYS ALWAYS MIX IT UP.

IT'S ALWAYS GOOD.

TALK TO US ABOUT LIBERTY VERSUS THE ESTABLISHMENT.

FIRST, DEFINE WHAT IS A LIB BERTY CANDIDATE?

ARE THEY LIKE A LIBERTARIAN WHAT DEFINES THE CANDIDATE?

>> IT'S NEBULOUS AND CANDIDATES PULLED IT OUT OF THIN AIR AND ASSIGNED IT TO THEMSELVES.

I DON'T KNOW THERE IS A TRUE DEFINITION YOU'D USE FOR A LIBERTY CANDIDATE.

THERE IS A GROUP THAT HAVE KIND OF BROUGHT TOGETHER AND SAID WE ARE LIBERTY CANDIDATES AND THEY TEND TO BE AN ODD MIX OF FAR RIGHT SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE, SOME LIBERTARIAN, BUT NOT IN SOME CASES.

LIKE THEY LIKE LIBERTY AND SOME INSTANCES GOD FORBID IT ABOUT FOR A BUSINESS OWNER OR A DOCTOR OR IT'S A WEIRD MISH-MASH OF STUFF AND THERE IS A WEIRD STREAK OF POPULISM THAT IS NOT LIBERTARIAN.

THOMAS MASSEY AS PURE LIBERTARIAN IN CONGRESS.

A LOT OF CANDIDATES ARE SUPPORTED BY MASSEY BUT THEY HAVE MORE OF A POPULOUS AND BIG GOVERNMENT STREAK THAN REPRESENTATIVE MASSEY HAS.

>> Renee: SO LET'S TALK ABOUT YOU'VE GOT A PACT THAT IS BACKING SOME OF THE MORE ESTABLISHMENT CHAMBER OF COMMERCE CANDIDATES SHALL WE SAY.

IS THAT HOW YOU DESCRIBE THEM?

>> I ALWAYS SAID THE WORD BACKING MAIN STREET CANDIDATES PEOPLE WHO WILL DO WHAT IS BEST FOR BUSINESSES FOR THE FAMILIES AND BUSINESSES EMPLOY FOR THE STATE AS A WHOLE.

AND TO KIND OF JUST BE A MORE TRADITIONAL REPUBLICAN.

SMALL GOVERNMENT, FISCAL CONSERVATIVE.

THE MORE THE TRADITIONAL LEAVE US ALONE CAUCUS.

WE WANT TO WHETHER IT'S GUNS, RELIGION, TO RUN OUR BUSINESS WE WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE.

PART OF THE PEOPLE CALL THEMSELVES LIBERTY WE WANT TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO IN THAT THAT HASN'T TRADITIONAL BEEN INVOLVED IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

>> Renee: DON'T THEY VOTE WITH THE REPUBLICAN AGENDA IN THE HOUSE OR THE SENATE 90 PLUS PERCENT OF THE TIME?

>> YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF CANDIDATES THIS CYCLE WE'VE BEEN HITTING OTHER HAVE BEEN HITTING STEVE DONE WHO VOTED AGAINST THE BUDGET AND THE CRIME PACKAGE AND VOTED AGAINST THE RULES, TRYING TO PROPOSE A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES.

THERE'S ROOM FOR DISCONSENT AND ROOM FOR DEBATE.

BUT WHEN YOU ARE OPPOSING SIGNATURE PIECES OF LEGISLATION FROM YOUR PARTY IN A GIVEN SESSION YOU WILL MAKE ENEMIES IN LEADERSHIP.

>> Renee: IRIS WHY IS THAT A BAD THING THAT YOU HAVE MORE INDEPENDENTLY MINDED MEMBERS OF THE CAUCUS WHO DON'T ALTHOUGH CURRY FAVOR AND TOE TO THE REPUBLICAN LINE WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT?

>> I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG BUT FOR ME IT'S FUNDAMENTAL WHEN YOU GO TO FRANKFORT AND THE STATE CAPITOL WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS AT THE END OF THE DAY?

FOR MANY TRADITIONAL CONSERVATIVES THEY DON'T TREAT WORDS LIKE COMPROMISE AND GOVERNING IN A WAY TO YOU ARE BRINGING FOLKS TOGETHER TO GET SOMETHING DONE AS TOXIC.

WE HAVE SOME CANDIDATES AND SOME INCUMBENTS THAT DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT MISSION IN MIND THAT THEY RATHER PROVE A POINT THAN GET SOMETHING DONE.

AND I THINK FOR MOST OF US, MOST VOTERS WHEN WE LOOK AT KENTUCKY AND HOW WE RANK FROM A COMPETITIVENESS STANDPOINT WE WISH STATE GOVERNMENT WOULD FOCUS HOW WE GET AHEAD AND HOW FAMILIES CAN PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE AND KEEP MORE OF OUR MONEY.

SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HIT EVERYDAY KENTUCKIANS AND THE CONVERSATIONS THEY ARE HAVING AT HOME VERSUS FRINGE ISSUES THAT DO NOT ADD VALUE OR IMPACT TO HOW WE FUNCTION ON A DAILY BASIS.

>> Renee: EXAMPLE OF A FRINGE ISSUE, TRANSGENDER ISSUES OR CULTURAL ISSUES?

>> SOCIAL ISSUES WE SEE TREND AND SWEEP THROUGH SIMILAR COMPOSED STATES POLITICALLY THAT SEEM TO BE ON TREND.

BUT FOR ME, AND SOME OF THE CANDIDATES THAT I WILL BE TRACKING THAT I'M QUITE ENCOURAGED WILL BE SUCCESSFUL COME TOMORROW TO BECOME NOMINEES ARE THE TYPE OF REPUBLICANS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN GOVERNING GETTING SOMETHING DONE AND FOCUSING ON LOWERING TAXES, IMPROVING QUALITY OF LIFE AND ISSUES LIKE CHOICE WITH PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

THAT ISSUE WILL PREVAIL AND BE FAVORABLE TOWARDS REPUBLICANS.

>> Renee: AND WE WILL TAKE A DEEP DIVE INTO THOSE RACES IN A MINUTE.

>> DO YOU MIND JARED I WANT TO PUT ONE POINT IS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS BEEN THE BIG TEN PARTY THE PARTY I'VE WORKED IN AND GROWN-UP IN AND YOU HAVE CANDIDATES WHO WANT LITMUS TESTS AND THEY BELIEVE IF YOU ARE NOT IN THAT PERCENT WITH ME YOU ARE AGAINST ME AND THAT IS THE BIGGEST DIFFERENT WITH THE CANDIDATES.

>> Renee: OBSTRUCTIONISTS?

>> THE TERM AND I THINK THEY DON'T WANT TO GET THINGS DONE.

WHAT THEY WANT DONE THEY WANT DONE THEIR WAY AND THEY ARE UNWILLING TO COMPROMISE.

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE BIG TEN PARTY AND I'M NOT FOR THAT.

I THINK THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WHEN WE ARE A BIG TENT.

>> Renee: I THOUGHT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WANTED A BIG TENT PARTY.

>> WE ARE ALL THE BIG TENT PARTY.

>> SOMETHING THAT IRIS SAID WE HAD THE FIRST WAVE OF LIBERTY CANDIDATES CAME IN AND UNSEATED THREE CHAIRMEN BUT WHAT HAVE THEY DONE FOR THEIR DISTRICTS?

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT?

THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING THEY DON'T STAND FOR ANYTHING THEY RANT AND RAVE AND SEE GHOSTS WHERE THERE ARE NO GHOSTS AND THE GOOD PEOPLE GET BEAT BECAUSE OF LOW TURNOUT ELECTIONS.

HOPEFULLY WE HAVE HIGHER TURNOUT THERE'S PROBABLY REPUBLICANS THAT ARE SCARED.

WE'VE SEEN THE MAILERS AND THE RACE AND THOSE ARE DISGRACEFUL.

IT'S BEYOND THE PALE.

>> Renee: TODAY THE REPUBLICAN SECRETARY OF STATE MICHAEL ADAMS REPORTED THERE WERE MORE THAN 75,000 KENTUCKIANS TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE NO EXCUSE EARLY VOTING 2500 MORE THAN LAST YEAR.

DOES THAT CAN YOU GLEAN ANYTHING FROM THOSE NUMBERS?

>> NOT REALLY BECAUSE THE GUBERNATORIAL YEAR IS ALWAYS YOUR LOWEST YEAR.

AND PRESIDENTS IS DECIDED NO SENATE RACE, NO HIGH CONGRESSIONAL RACE, A HANDFUL OF STATE SENATE RACES THAT ARE TIGHT.

I WANT TO FEEL GOOD FOR THE SO-CALLED ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS BUT WITH TURNOUT NUMBERS I WORRY ABOUT LIBERTY CANDIDATES GAINING MORE SEATS.

IT'S EXPENSIVE TO MOTIVATE VOTERS AND WITHOUT A U.S. SENATE OR CONGRESSIONAL RACE ON TOP DRIVING THAT TRAIN IT FALLS UPON THE STATE HOUSE CANDIDATE.

AND THAT TAKES A LOT OF SHOE LEATHER AND MONEY.

AND WE'LL SEE IF THEY ARE ABLE TO GENERATE THE EXCITEMENT TO GET THEIR FOLKS TO THE POLLS.

>> RENEE CAN I BREAK THAT DOWN.

SECRETARY OF STATE ADAMS SAID HE IS ESTIMATED ABOUT 10-15% STATE-WIDE VOTER TURNOUT.

THOSE OF US TRACKING REPUBLICAN RACES I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE A FOCUS AND NOT A DETERRENT FOR YOUR AVERAGE REPUBLICAN VOTER TO SHOW UP.

AND EVEN NUMBER YEAR IT IS RUNS THE SPECTRUM WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REPUBLICAN TURNOUT AND RECOGNIZING REPUBLICANS HAVE THE MOST ACTION FOR TOMORROW.

WE'VE SEEN NUMBERS FLUCTUATE 30% REPUBLICANS SHOWED UP IN THE 2020 PRIMARY.

IN 22 AN OFF YEAR MIDTERM 25%.

BUT THEN LOOK AT 2016 WHEN WE HAD AN OPEN SEAT FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE BUT NO REPUBLICAN NOMINATION PROCESS FOR PRESIDENTIAL IF YOU REMEMBER WE HAD A CONVENTION THAT YEAR.

SIMILAR DYNAMIC WHERE THE PRESIDENTIAL ACTION IS LACKING IN 2016 WE SAW 16% REPUBLICAN VOTER TURNOUT.

SORT OF INTERESTING WATER MARKS FOR US TO TREND FOR TOMORROW TO SEE CAN WE BEAT THAT 16% THRESHOLD.

>> Renee: WHO DOES IT BENEFIT WHO DOES LOWER VOTER TURNOUT LIBERTY OR ESTABLISH.

>> A PARTICULAR REGIONAL ODDITY IN NORTHERN KENTUCKY THREE UPSETS OF COMMITTEE CHAIRS AND PRESIDENTIAL YEARS OHIO'S PRIMARY IS TIED TO SUPER TUESDAY.

SO IT WAS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.

AND NON-PRESIDENTIAL YEARS IT'S TWO WEEKS BEFORE KENTUCKY'S PRIMARY.

WHEN YOU GET YOUR NEWS FROM ANOTHER STATE PEOPLE SEE THE ADS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SPENT IN THE ADS THEN THERE'S NO ADS AND VOTERS SOMETIMES THINK THEY MISSED THEIR CHANCE TO VOTE.

WITH A BIGGER SEPARATION YOU MIGHT SEE HIGHER TURNOUT FROM MORE RANK-AND-FILE VOTERS IN NORTHERN KENTUCKY WHO COULD HELP THE ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATES.

>> Renee: FOR YOU ALL WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR, FOR TOMORROW?

>> TO BE FRANK I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE LIBERTY FOLKS WIN.

THAT REALLY WEAKENS THE CAUCUSES IN BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE.

I THINK BOTH SENATE PRESIDENT ROBERT STIVERS AND HOUSE SPEAKER DAVID OSBORNE WILL TELL YOU THEY DON'T WANT SOME OF THE CURRENT MEMBERS AND THEY CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO ADD TO THE LIBERTY FACTIONS AND IT IS EASIER TO BEAT THOSE FRINGE CANDIDATES PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF SOME OF THE JERRY MANNEDDERRING WE'VE SEEN.

IT'S EASIER TO BEAT THE LIBERTY CANDIDATES BECAUSE THIF A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF SUPPORT AMONGST THE REPUBLICAN BASE.

SO FOR US WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE WHO TURNS OUT TOMORROW AND HOW THAT RESULTS IN THE REPUBLICAN ELECTIONS AND WHERE WE CAN MAKE INROADS OBVIOUSLY AND TALK ABOUT THOSE ISSUES COME NOVEMBER.

>> Renee: AND LEADER THAYER WHO IS RETIRING SAID A FEW WEEKS AGO HE EXPECTS THERE COULD BE LIKE THREE OR FOUR SEATS PICKED IN UP THE HOUSE IN NOVEMBER.

DO YOU THINK THAT IS ON TARGET?

>> I THINK SO.

THE EVEN NUMBER OF ELECTION YEARS HAPPENS TO BE PRESIDENTIAL A LOT OF ACTION AND ACTIVITY THAT WILL INCREASE VOTER INTENSITY AND INTEREST AND I THINK IT FAVORS REPUBLICANS.

EVEN EVEN YEAR THAT GOES BY WE GROW OUR MARGINS IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE I'M OPTIMISTIC WE WILL HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO SHOW CONTRAST IF WE HAVE DEMOCRATIC CHALLENGERS IN SOME OF THE MORE COMPETITIVE RACES.

A LOT OF THE ACTION WILL BE DECIDED TOMORROW IN THE STATE LEGISLATIVE RACES.

>> Renee: TO GO TO THIS SIDE -- >> I THINK THAT'S DIFFERENT, IRIS.

I THINK DEMOCRATS IN THE FALL I THINK THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS OVEREXTENDED IN JEFFERSON COUNTY.

WHETHER THEY MAY LOSE SEATS ELSEWHERE IN THE STATE THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN AND THE CHOICE WILL BE ON THE BALLOT AND IN SUBURBAN AREAS THAT WILL TAMP DOWN REPUBLICAN GAINS AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE LAW ON THE BOOKS.

>> Renee: DO YOU BLAME REDISTRICTING FOR THE REASON WHY DEMOCRATS RNTS' AS COMPETITIVE?

>> I MEAN, REDISTRICTING SHOULD BE DONE BY RETIRED FEDERAL JUDGES.

SO.

>> Renee: THE ANSWER IS YES?

>> I DON'T WANT TO BLAME GERRYMANDERING BECAUSE BOTH SIDES DO IT ALL THE TIME.

I BLAME MORE URBAN RURAL DEED VIED.

URBAN AND RURAL IS STARTING TO GET REALLY FAST AND HARD AND STRONG AND SO IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHERE DEMOCRATS CAN DO WELL IN RURAL AREAS IF THEY CAN.

>> THAT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT RIGHT THERE, RENEE.

I THINK THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND SORT OF THOSE CHARGED WITH DEVELOPING THE BENCH OF THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEES, IT'S BEEN LACKING.

I FEEL LIKE IT IS A REBUILDING ERA FOR KENTUCKY DEMOCRATS.

LISTEN, KENTUCKY DEMOCRATS SEEDED THEIR POINTS AT THE CANDIDATE REGISTRATION DEADLINE.

A LOT OF THE SEATS WENT UNCONTESTED.

IF I AM A DEMOCRATIC LEADER IN THE STATE STEP ONE IS WE HAVE TO BUILD A BENCH AND IT WAS NOT A PRIORITY OR WE DIDN'T SEE THE FRUITS OF THAT LABOR.

IN JANUARY.

>> AS A LEADER OF THE KENTUCKY DEMOCRATIC PARTY I AGREE.

LOOK EVERY PARTY GOES THROUGH A REBUILDING STAGE.

THE G.O.P.

GOT WHERE THEY ARE IN KENTUCKY BECAUSE THEY FOCUSED ON BUILDING A BENCH.

AND KDP AND DEMOCRATS NEED TO DO THAT.

GOVERNOR BESHEAR INCREASED HIS WIN MARGIN FIVE POINTS IN A QUOTE-UNQUOTE RED STATE IS A LANDSLIDE.

THERE ARE REASONS THAT HE IS A NATIONAL MODEL FOR RUNNING STATE-WIDE AS A DEMOCRAT IN A RED OR PURPLE STATE AND DEMOCRATS IN KENTUCKY DON'T TAKE THAT FOR GRANTED.

IT'S DIFFICULT.

LOOK AT THE INFIGHTING BETWEEN THE G.O.P.

IT IS DIFFICULT WITH ALL THAT POLARIZATION TO CONVINCE PEOPLE WHEN KNOWING THEY MAY LOSE AND THEIR NAME THEIR FAMILY'S NAME THEIR KIDS' NAME THEIR BUSINESS IS GOING TO GET DRAGGED THROUGH THE MUD IT'S DIFFICULT TO CONVINCE PEOPLE TO PUT THEIR NAME ON THE BALLOT.

>> Renee: BUT YOU ARE DOING THAT THAT IS YOUR JOB.

>> THAT IS MY JOB AND I DO IT EVERYDAY AND WE ARE ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENT WE WILL PICK UP SEATS PARTICULARLY IN THE HOUSE THIS YEAR.

AND THAT ALONG WITH GOVERNOR BESHEAR'S CONTINUED COMMON SENSE LEADERSHIP THAT AGAIN IS A NATIONAL MODEL FOR DEMOCRATS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BUILD MOMENTUM WITHIN OUR PARTY AND GET MORE PEOPLE.

PUTTING THEIR NAME ON THE BALLOT AS A DEMOCRAT.

>> I WILL SAY THIS WITH THE POLITICAL ATMOSPHERE IT'S NEVER BEEN HARDER TO RECRUIT CANDIDATES REGARDLESS OF PARTY.

IT'S DIFFICULT.

THERE'S FEW POLICIES OR ISSUES ON THE BALLOT ARE DISCUSSED.

A LOT OF IT IS POLITICS OF PERSONAL GRIEVANCE AND SPITE IN A LOT OF CASES JUST ANGER.

MISINFORMATION.

IT'S INCREDIBLY HARD TO RECRUIT GOOD PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO SERVE INTO POLITICS.

>> Renee: BUT YOU ARE DOING IT?

>> WE'RE TRYING.

>> THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THEY DON'T WANT ON THE BALLOT.

THEY GET BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN AND I WOULD RATHER HAVE THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE QUANTITY VERSUS QUALITY.

SO THAT YOU DON'T SPEND SO MUCH MONEY INFIGHTING AND DRAGGING EACH OTHER THROUGH THE MUD THAT RESULTS IN A BETTER PARTY VERSUS ONE THAT IS RIPPING ITSELF APART.

>> Renee: ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY ABOUT THE CONGRESSIONAL RACES ON THE BALLOT TOMORROW?

THEY ARE NOT AS COMPETITIVE?

ANY COMMENT?

>> NO SURPRISES.

>> Renee: NO SURPRISES.

>> ERIC DETERS DID NOT PUT UP MORE OF A FIGHT.

HE FILED THINKING HE COULD GET THOMAS MASSEY THROWN OFF THE BALLOT BUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

>> HE STOPPED.

>> Renee: FOR SOMEBODY WHO HAD A RELATIVELY HIGHER PROFILE THIS TIME LAST YEAR, WHAT DID HAPPEN THERE?

>> I HAVE NO IDEA.

I THOUGHT HE WOULD HAVE RAN A MUCH MORE AGGRESSIVE CAMPAIGN.

>> Renee: WE THINK THAT WILL BE AS IT IS NOW AND IN NOVEMBER.

LET'S TALK ABOUT NEWS TODAY ABOUT HOUSE DISTRICT NUMBER 40.

THIS IS REPRESENTATIVE KULKANRI AND THIS IS AN INTERESTING RACE.

DO YOU WANT TO GO WITH THIS?

SHE IS ON THE BALLOT HER VOTES WILL COUNT BUT THE KENTUCKY SUPREME COURT SAYS WE WILL WEIGH-IN AND THEY ARE SCHEDULED TO GO IN ON JUNE 6.

>> IT'S INTERESTING THEY ARE GOING TO HEAR THIS CASE IN JUNE INSTEAD OF AN EMERGENCY HEARING.

I DON'T KNOW.

MY TWO YEARS OF LAW SCHOOL I CANNOT ANSWER THAT.

WHAT I FIND VERY INTERESTING IS THE FACT THAT THE JEFFERSON CIRCUIT COURT SAID YEAH THE PERSON THAT SIGNED THE PAPERS WAS NOT A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT AT THE IT DATE SHE SIGNED THE PAPERS AND BECAME A DEMOCRAT RIGHT AFTER OR BEFORE REPRESENTATIVE KULKANRI FILED HER PAPERS.

THE JEFFERSON COUNTY SAYING COME ON.

THE COURT OF APPEALS SAID IT DOES MATTER JEFFERSON COUNTY GOT THE CAUSE LAW WRONG AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE INTERPRETED THIS WAY AND IT DOES MATTER WHAT YOU ARE REGISTERED WHEN YOU SIGN THE PAPER.

THE SUPREME COURT HAS TWO DIFFERENT RULINGS TO DEAL WITH.

IT'S SO UNCERTAIN IT'S NOT FAIR TO REPRESENTATIVE KULKANRI AND THE VOTERS TO THROW HER OFF KEEP HER ON.

HEY, VOTE BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO CERTIFY IT UNTIL THE SUMMER.

>> THAT IS THE WEIRDEST PART THEY ARE GOING TO VOTE AND THEY DON'T KNOW IF THEIR VOTE IS GOING TO BE COUNTED UNTIL LATER IN THE SUMMER.

>> Renee: WHAT HAPPENS THEN?

>> A LOT OF TIMES IF YOU TRY TO GET SOMEBODY THROWN OFF A BALLOT THROUGH COURT THAT IS THE LAST THING JUDGES WANT TO DO.

A DON'T WANT TO INTERFERE.

>> AND THE BALLOTS HAVE BEEN PRINTED.

>> Renee: RIGHT AND THE VOTERS HAVE SPOKEN.

ALL OF THIS OTHER ASIDE, HOW MUCH OF A CONTEST IS THIS?

FOR REPRESENTATIVE KULKANRI?

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S MUCH OF A CONTEST.

>> Renee: IRIS YOUR FAVORITE RACE?

>> THAT I'M TRACKING?

THAT IS SO DIFFICULT THERE'S VARIABLES.

I WILL SAY I'M WATCHING REPRESENTATIVE TIM ANY'S RACE HOUSE DISTRICT 45.

FAYETTE, GREATER LEXINGTON AREA THERE.

THERE'S BEEN SOME OUTSIDE SPEND AND TREY PROBABLY WANTS TO COMMENT ON THAT.

OUTSIDE ACTIVITY.

I WOULD SAY BECAUSE IT'S IN MY BACKYARD THERE IS A REPUBLICAN PRIMARY BETWEEN PEDEN AND LEWIS TO REPLACE BRATCHER, THAT IS DISTRICT 29 I BELIEVE.

SO THAT I'M WATCHING BECAUSE IT'S IN MY BACKYARD.

AND THEN ANOTHER ONE IS REPRESENTATIVE MEREDITH, EDMONSON.

>> Renee: HOW DISTRICT 19.

>> THAT RACE, TOO, HAS ATTRACTED OUTSIDE SPEND AND I'VE BEEN WATCHING REPRESENTATIVE MEREDITH WORK IT TAKE THIS RACE SERIOUSLY.

DEDICATING RESOURCES, SHOE LEATHER YOU NAME IT AND EXPECT HIM TO PREVAIL TOMORROW.

>> Renee: WHEN IRIS SAID YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THE FIRST ONE WHICH WAS 45, WHY?

>> WELL, WE'RE SPENDING MONEY THERE.

I LIVE IN LEXINGTON, I LIKE TIM ANY A LOT.

YOU HAVE WILL MOORE AND LEXINGTON SUBURBS THE FORMER DISTRICT OF STAN LEE.

BUT IT LOOKS TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE A DISTRICT ON PAPER THAT REPUBLICANS ARE STRUGGLING TO HOLD IN THE TRUMP AND POST DAUBACHS ERA AND I'M CONCERN IF KILIAN WERE TO LOSE, DEMOCRATS HAVE A SERIOUS CHALLENGER IN THE RACE.

>> Renee: STAN LEE, KILIAN TIMNY IS NO STAN LEE.

>> IT'S THE SHIFT OF SUBURBAN REPUBLICAN VOTERS ARE MOVING TO THE MIDDLE WHETHER IT'S FRUSTRATION WITH TRUMP OR FRUSTRATION WITH THE DOBBS DECISION THERE IS A VARIETY OF ISSUES THAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE STRUGGLING IN SUBURBAN AREAS THAT DISTRICT TO ME IF YOU WERE TO NOMINATE A FAR RIGHT CONSERVATIVE IN THIS ERA, THAT DISTRICT COULD GET TROUBLE.

>> Renee: AND TIMNY HAS TAKEN BRAVE VOTES ON SB150 WHERE THE RACE IS THE FAULT LINE IS ON ONE PARTICULAR VOTE.

>> HE HAS BEEN GETTING HIT HARD ON THAT.

THERE WERE GROUPS RUNNING ADDERS AGAINST HIM LAST YEAR.

AND THE UNDER CURRENT OF THIS WHICH IS THE WEIRDEST CONFLUENCE OF ALLIANCES ON THE PLANET IS HE WAS THE LEAD SPONSOR OF THE BILL TO BAN GRAY MACHINES.

YOU HAVE THE SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES, THE VOICES FOR ALL THAT IS RIGHT AND GODLY BEING FUNDED BY THE GRAY SLOT MACHINES TO GO OUT AND ATTACK ON THEIR BEHALF.

SO IT'S THIS WEIRD COMBO OF SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE AND GRAY MACHINES THAT IS AT PLAY IN THIS RACE.

>> Renee: YOU WANT TO PICK ANOTHER RACE?

>> I THINK 47, THE RAYBURN.

AND SHE TOOK SOME LIBERTY PEOPLE WOULD SAY BRAVE VOTES I THINK MOST REPUBLICANS WOULD QUESTION THAT ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT HER DISTRICT AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY GOING INTO IT IN THE BUDGET.

AGAIN SHE VOTED AGAINST -- SHE DIDN'T VOTE ON THE BUDGET SHE TOOK A WALK ON THE BUDGET.

SHE VOTED AGAINST THE CRIME BILL PACKAGE AND PROPOSED THE CHANGE IN RULES THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER TO GET LIBERAL BILLS TO THE FLOOR.

SHE HAS A STRONG OPPONENT AND PROBABLY RUN ONE OF THE STRONGEST CAMPAIGNS HE RAN IN 2018 IN THE SAME DISTRICT HE OUTRAISED RAYBURN AND THERE'S BEEN OUTSIDE SPENDING THERE.

THAT IS GOING TO BE CLOSE.

ONE TO WATCH.

AND THE OTHER ONE THAT IS A COMPLETE TRAIN WRECK IF YOU LIKE THE SHOW JACK ASS THIS IS A GOOD ONE TO WATCH HOUSE DISTRICT 66 IT'S MASSEY AGAINST ROBERTS.

WHO KNOWS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

YOU HEAR ONE THING FROM POLLING AND ANOTHER THING ON THE GROUND.

IF YOU READ SOCIAL MEDIA IT'S A COMPLETE MESS UP THERE.

>> Renee: NO ONE HAS THE EDGE.

IRIS?

>> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.

THERE HAVE BEEN PLENTY OF OUTSIDE INFLUENCE A LOT OF THAT DISTRICT.

>> Renee: IT'S GOTTEN UGLY.

>> IT'S VERY PERSONAL OFF TOPIC IS HOW I WILL PUT IT.

NORTHERN KENTUCKY IS WELL POSITIONED BEING IN THE GREATER CINCINNATI AREA THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT COMPETITIVENESS, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT BUSINESS AND GROWING JOBS AND FOCUSING ON QUALITY EDUCATION.

WE'RE NOT HEARING ANY OF THAT.

I CAN'T WAIT FOR TOMORROW REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR RACE BECAUSE I'M HOPING WE CAN SHIFT AND FOCUS ON ISSUES.

>> Renee: WE TRIED TO MAKE IT A SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSION AND INTERVIEWED BOTH AND THEY BOTH TALKED ABOUT EDUCATION.

AND MASSEY HAS BEEN A LONGTIME SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER AND SERVED IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND THEY SOUNDED BOTH VERY REASONABLE.

SO ON SOME OF THOSE ISSUES MAYBE THERE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBSTANCE THAN HOW THE CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN PLAYING OUT.

>> LITTLE AMOUNT OF CAMPAIGN DOLLARS HAVE BEEN SORT OF DEDICATED TO THAT NARRATIVE UNFORTUNATELY.

I WISH, AGAIN, THAT THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL UP THERE HIGHLIGHTED THE CONTRAST WHERE THEY ARE ON THOSE ISSUES.

THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY FOR THOSE VOTERS.

BUT YOU KNOW, THAT DISTRICT BOON COUNTY HAS STRUGGLED WITH REPUBLICAN VOTERS TURNOUT IN PRIMARIES AND GENERALS.

AND AGAIN, THE NOTION IS THAT FAVORS THE LIBERTY AFFILIATED TYPE RACES AND CANDIDATES.

AND SO BOON COUNTY REALLY IS ONE TO WATCH BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NO GOOD MEASUREMENT OR ANTICIPATION WHAT WE CAN SEE IN REGARDS TO WHO SHOWS UP.

SOME OF THE RACES COULD BE DECIDED BY 1100 VOTES.

SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE AVERAGE SPEND FOR SOME OF THE MORE COMPETITIVE DISTRICTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS FOR A VOTER TO TURNOUT AND SHOW UP TO THE BALLOT BOX.

IT'S INTERESTING AGAIN THESE SORT OF NONFEDERAL ELECTION TYPE RACES, GAIN THAT TYPE OF INFLUENCE SPEND CAMPAIGN DOLLARS QUOTE-UNQUOTE DARK MONEY FOR THE LEGISLATIVE RACES.

>> Renee: TO THIS SIDE.

MORGAN?

>> I WILL CHOOSE TWO THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT.

I'M FROM HERE IN LEXINGTON AS WELL.

AND TIMNY, THOMAS JEFFERSON MATCHUP IN HOUSE DISTRICT 45 IS INTERESTING IT'S INDICATIVE OF THE PROBLEMS AS THEY WERE DISCUSSING THAT ARE EXISTING IN SUBURBIA FOR REPUBLICANS.

YOU KNOW, KELLYANNE IS NOT STANLEY BUT ABORTION IS THE ISSUE THAT BINDS THEM.

AND IN A POST DOBBS WORLD, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO VOTERS.

AND IF THE G.O.P.

CAUCUS AND THE PARTY CAN'T KEEP A HOLD OF WHAT SHOULD BE ON PAPER, A STRONG CANDIDATE, A STRONG DISTRICT AND THEY ARE LEANING TOWARDS AND MONEY IS GETTING SIPHONED AWAY BY THIS VERY RIGHT LEANING, I DON'T KNOW, RIGHT-WING LIBERTY PERSON IN THOMAS JEFFERSON, WHO, BY THE WAY, IS GOING TO GET VOTES BECAUSE OF HIS NAME ID AND THAT INDICATES THAT THERE IS A LARGER LIBERTY PROBLEM OUTSIDE OF NORTHERN KENTUCKY.

ADAM MOORE IS OUR CANDIDATE IN THAT DISTRICT HE IS A STRONG CANDIDATE AND IS WORKING HARD RAISING A LOT OF MONEY AND THAT WILL BE ONE TO WATCH IN THE FALL.

>> Renee: I GUESS YOU WOULD HOPE THOMAS JEFFERSON WOULD WIN?

>> I THINK WE CAN BEAT EITHER CANDIDATE BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE POST DOBBS WORLD.

AND SCHOOL CHOICE ALSO AFFECTS THAT AREA.

SUBURBAN VOTERS DON'T WANT TO FUND PRIVATE SCHOOL PARENTS WHO ARE TRYING TO TAKE STATE DOLLARS AND SEND THEM TO TAKE THEIR KIDS AND SEND THEM TO PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND A BIGGER CITY LIKE LEXINGTON.

THE CONFLUENCE OF THOSE ISSUES MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.

THE MASSEY AND ROBERTS RACE IS VERY INTERESTING.

IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF KENTUCKY CLAIMS TO BE SUCH A BIG TENT PARTY YET THEY ARE NOT CONDEMNING A CANDIDATE TJ ROBERTS WHO WROTE A BLOG THAT SAID THAT MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.

SUCKED.

AND HAS LIKE A DOCUMENTED HISTORY OF ANTISEMITIC COMMENTS.

I UNDERSTAND NOT GETTING INVOLVED IN PRIMARIES BUT WHAT YOU SHOULD DO IF YOU ARE A BIG TENT PARTY IS REALLY COME DOWN ON CANDIDATES WHO HAVE THAT KIND OF HATE SPEECH WITHIN THEIR RHETORIC.

THEY HAVE NOT DONE THAT AND I THINK THAT SHOWS THEY ARE JUST A LITTLE SCARED OF ANGERING SOME OF THE LIBERTY VOTERS.

>> ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS YOU CANNOT CONTROL WHO SHOWS UP WITH A CHECK ON FILING DAY AND WHAT LEVEL OF FIELD YOU ARE GOING TO HOLD TO NOT GETTING INVOLVED IN PRIMARIES.

THE BOON COUNTY REPUBLICAN PARTY SENT OUT A MAIL PIECE ATTACKING SOME OF THE MORE ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATES AND SUPPORTING PEOPLE LIKE TJ ROBERTS.

THAT WAS A CHOICE THEY MADE INTERESTING ONE.

BUT AS A PARTY, HAVING WORKED WHEN I WAS THERE, WE SOMETIMES STRUGGLED WITH THAT, DAN JOHNSON WAS A NOTABLE EXCEPTION WHERE IT REACHED A POINT WHERE WE DID DISTANCE OURSELVES FROM HIM.

BUT, AGAIN, YOU CAN'T AS A PARTY YOU CAN'T STOP WHO SHOWS UP.

IF YOU SHOW UP WITH TWO SIGNATURES AND THE WRITE CHECK YOU CAN GET ON THE BALLOT.

>> WHAT YOU CAN'T DO IS SAY THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AND WRITING BLOGS EN TITLED THIS IS WHY MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.

SUCKED AND A DOCUMENTED HISTORY.

>> DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE TWEET ABOUT DEAD CHILDREN SCHOOL SHOOTING.

>> AND MOCKING THE VALLEYDY SCHOOL SHOOTING IF YOU WANT TO APPEAL TO EVERYONE WHAT YOU CAN SAY THIS IS THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

>> Renee: AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS DISTANCED ITSELF FROM CANDIDATES WHO HAVE MADE THESE INFLAMMATORY COMMENTS IN THE PAST.

>> WE DID IT WITH DAN JOHNSON IN 2016.

>> IT IS A DIFFERENT PARTY TODAY.

>> Renee: WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR?

>> BRIEFLY, I WANT TO SAY THERE IS A CHANGING OF THE GUARD IN LOUISVILLE.

YOU HAVE ATTICA SCOTT I'M INTERESTED IN THAT PRIMARY.

NOBODY IS ON TV.

LOOKING AT THEIR CAMPAIGN EXPENDITURES A LOT OF DIGITAL SPENDING.

AND CHANGING THE GUARD MARY LIEU MARZIAN VERSUS ADAMS.

LOUISVILLE DEMOCRATS READY FOR A CHANGE OR NOT?

DO THEY WANT THE COMFORT.

>> Renee: I WANT YOU TO GO BACK TO THE SENATE DISTRICT 33 AND TALK ABOUT THE PERSONALITIES THERE, RIGHT?

ESTABLISHMENT MINORITY FLOOR LEADER MEAL VERSUS A FORMER STATE REPRESENTATIVE ATTICA SCOTT WHO HAD A FAILED ATTEMPT AT A CONGRESSIONAL RUN.

WHY IS THIS RACE SO INTERESTING IT'S LIKE THE POWER OF INCUMBENCY FOR BOTH OF THEM.

>> IT'S INTERESTING SHE IS THE POLAR OPPOSITE OF SENATOR NEAL.

ATTICA IS A LOT OF THINGS AND RESERVED IS NOT ONE OF THEM.

IT'S THE AGE DIFFERENCE THE CHANGING OF THE GUARD.

>> Renee: DOES THAT DISTRICT WANT A CHANGING OF THE GUARD?

>> THAT IS A QUESTION WE'LL GET AN ANSWER TO TOMORROW.

AND IT'S JUST YOU KNOW, SENATOR NEAL HAS BEEN THERE AND DONE A GREAT JOB.

AND IF HE WANTS TO STAY THERE HE SHOULD STAY THERE.

BUT ATTICA SCOTT WHO HAS BEEN ON METRO COUNCIL IN THE STATE HOUSE, RAN FOR MAYOR, YOU KNOW, RAN FOR CONGRESS HAS A TON OF -- SHE HAS BEEN ON THE BALLOT A LOT.

THAT IS A TOUGH CHALLENGER FOR SENATOR NEAL.

>> Renee: YEAH AND THE MARZIAN RACE.

>> SHE HAS BEEN IN THERE FOREVER SHE DID THE GRACIOUS THING AND STEPPED ASIDE WHEN REPRESENTATIVE RAYMOND WAS IN THAT DISTRICT.

AND NOW THAT THE REPRESENTATIVE IS GONE FROM THE METRO COUNCIL SHE WANTS TO COME BACK.

WE HAVE A LAWYER AND A GUY WHO FOUGHT FOR THE FAIRNESS ORDINANCE IN LOUISVILLE RUNNING.

HE IS A FUN TV AD I DID SEE THAT.

FORMER REPRESENTATIVE MARZIAN HAS MONEY SHE IS NOT SPENDING IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF SHE THINKS THE NAME WILL WORK.

I AM LOOKING AT TWO THINGS IN NORTHERN KENTUCKY ONE ED MASSEY AND TJ ROBERTS.

EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT SIDE OF THE AISLE I'M ON AND I HAVE TREMENDOUS RESPECT FOR KIM MOESER.

SHE DID A.

>> Renee: THAT IS HOW DISTRICT 64.

>> BRAVE VOTE ON SB150 AND I DON'T WANT TO RELITIGATE THAT IT WAS A TOUGH DAY AND SHE DID WHAT SHE THOUGHT WAS RIGHT.

AND FOR THEM TO TRY TO -- SHE'S ONE OF THE BEST LEGISLATORS UP THERE ESPECIALLY IN HER FIELD.

>> Renee: A CHAIRWOMAN CHAIR OF A COMMITTEE.

SO LET'S PUT A PIN THERE AND TALK ABOUT HOUSE DISTRICT 64 RACE AND WHAT LED TO HER GETTING A CHALLENGER?

IS IT THE VOTE?

THE VOTE ON THAT?

>> SHE WAS GOING TO HAVE A CHALLENGER BEFORE THAT.

THEY ATTEMPTED TO RECRUIT A CHALLENGER IN 2020 AND COULDN'T FIND ONE BECAUSE SHE HAS BEEN SUCH AN EFFECTIVE LEGISLATOR.

SHE IS PART OF THE ESTABLISHMENT AND IT GOES BACK TO FEEDING THIS TREND IN NORTHERN KENTUCKY YOU HAVE PEOPLE UP THERE AFFILIATED WITH TJ ROBERTS WHO WORKS FOR CHRIS WE HAVE THE AS AN ATTORNEY AND PEOPLE ARE ANGRY AT ST. ELIZABETH HEALTHCARE OVER SOME OF THE COVID POLICIES AND VACCINE POLICIES.

KIM'S OUTSPOKEN HEALTHCARE ADVOCATE AND HER HUSBAND IS THE HEAD OF KMA.

I THINK THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ANGRY AT THEY WANT TO RELITIGATE COVID WHICH NOBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT COVID.

THAT IS THE DRIVING FACTOR BEHIND THE KIM MOSHER RACE.

I THINK KIM IS GOING TO BE FINE.

ONE THING I'VE NOTICED ABOUT THE LIBERTY CANDIDATES THIS TIME, THE OUTSIDE GROUPS CAN DO ONE THING THEY CAN CHANGE THE PLAYING FIELD.

WE TALKED ABOUT IT THIS WEEK IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL YOU GET A PASS INTERFERENCE THEY PUT THE BALL ON THE ONE LINE YOU HAVE TO GET THE BALL ACROSS THE FINISH LINE IN THE END ZONE.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THESE LIBERTY CANDIDATES THIS YEAR THEY CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES OR THE CAMPAIGNS THAT THE ONES ARE RUNNING TWO YEARS AGO TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT CHANGE IN PLAYING FIELD THAT THE GROUPS CAN AFFECT.

>> Renee: YOU MENTIONED THIS BEFORE THEY ARE NOT AS RESOURCED AS THEY WERE TWO YEARS AGO WHEN YOU HAD THE FALLING OF THREE CHAIRPERSONS IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?

>> I THINK THAT ALSO IT SENDS A MESSAGE.

THERE WAS A LOT OF ASSUMPTION.

A LOT OF ANTICIPATION AS A CANDIDATE FILING DEADLINE CAME TO A CLOSE THERE WOULD BE DOLLARS POURING IN AND THEY HAVE NOT MATERIALIZED.

NOT ONLY DO YOU SEE THE OUTSIDE GROUPS COME IN AND SUPPORT YOUR TRADITIONAL CANDIDATES AND PROTECTING SOME INCUMBENTS BUT THE INDIVIDUAL CAMPAIGNS AND CANDIDATES THEMSELVES ARE RAISING SIGNIFICANT DOLLARS AND SPENDING THEM WISELY.

YOU HAVE A ONE-TWO PUNCH INSIDE MONEY, OUTSIDE MONEY WORKING FOR A POSITIVE.

>> Renee: I HAD THE HOUSE DISTRICT 60 ON MY MIND THIS IS PROCTER CERTIFICATE OF NEED, DON'T ASK ME TO EXPLAIN THAT THAT IS MY HOMEWORK TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> I CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT.

>> Renee: YOU'RE HIRED.

WHY IS THIS RACE IS IT ALL ABOUT CERTIFICATE OF NEED?

>> PARTIALLY BUT IT'S ALSO STILL THE ONGOING WAR.

AND I WILL SAY THIS WE WERE TALKING TODAY ABOUT LIBERTY IN BOON COUNTY.

THIS IS LIKE A 40-YEAR-OLD FEUD.

THIS GOES BACK TO CHARLIE WALTON VERSUS PEOPLE IN THE MID-80s.

THIS IS OLD.

AND SOME CASES IT'S NEW PEOPLE WHO ARE IN ON THE WAVES OF CURRENT POLITICS.

AND RIDING IN ON THE BACKS OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE LOOKING TO DRIVE A KNIFE IN THE BACKS OF PEOPLE WHO KNIFED THEM IN THE BACK 15 YEARS AGO.

THIS IS YES, THE NEED IS A BIG ISSUE IN THIS RACE BUT ALL THE RACES IN BOON COUNTY IT'S THIS WEIRD 40 YEAR FEUD BETWEEN SIDES.

CERTIFICATE OF NEED IS BIG AND A DRIVING FACTOR IN THE OUTSIDE SPENDING.

PROCTER AS OPPOSED TO DONE, RAYBURN, SHE VOTED WITH LEADERSHIP.

SHE SWITCHED SHE INITIALLY ANNOUNCED SUPPORT FOR THE CHANGE IN RULES THAT RAYBURN PROPOSED BUT SHE DIDN'T VOTE FOR THEM.

SHE VOTED FOR THE BUDGET AND SB5.

AND HELD CLOSE TO LEADERSHIP ON MOST OF THE MAJOR VOTES THAT THE OTHER CANDIDATES GETTING DINGED FOR.

I THINK THAT MAYBE ENOUGH TO PULL HER THROUGH.

AGAIN, SHE BEAT SANTORO WITH SINGLE DIGIT TURNOUT.

>> Renee: HOUSE DISTRICT 76, HER SON IS IN THIS RACE AND THERE'S COMPETITION WHAT CAN YOU TELL BUS THIS.

>> I CAN TELL YOU IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT PALUMBO AND IT IS A WHO, WHO OF LEXINGTON "POLITICO"S AND FINANCE PEOPLE.

I THINK JAMIE IS GOING TO PULL IT OUT.

>> Renee: NARROWLY.

>> NARROWLY.

BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL HE IS WORKING HARD AND I EXTEND JAMIE.

HE AND HIS MOTHER DID NOT PULL A SWITCH IN THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE 358 HE SAID I'M GOING TO RUN I WILL GIVE EVERYBODY TIME TO FILE.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS NICE I WAS GOING OVER THE REPORTS AND THERE'S STEVE BESHEAR IS ON A REPORT, JIM GRAY IS ON BOTH REPORTS.

IT'S A LOT OF HEAVY HITTERS THAT PICK SIDES IN THE RACE IT'S VERY INTERESTING; IS THAT CORRECT WE'LL KEEP OUR EYES ON THAT.

AND YOU CAN'T COMMENT.

>> UNLESS SHE IS BOON COUNTY.

>> I'M ALL OVER THAT ONE.

>> Renee: THE CALIBER OF CANDIDATES ON THE D COLUMN CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT?

ARE THEY THE QUALITY OVER THE QUANTITY?

>> YES.

I THINK YOU SEE A LOT OF AMAZING PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE WHO HAVE WHETHER THEY ARE VETERANS OR BUSINESS OWNERS OR NONPROFIT EXECUTIVES WHO HAVE A GREAT HISTORY OF GIVING BACK TO THEIR COMMUNITY.

AND THAT'S THE KIND OF PEOPLE WE WANT.

WE SAW THAT GOVERNOR ANDY BESHEAR AND JACQUELINE COLEMAN GOT REELECTED BECAUSE THEY HAD THAT TRUST OF THE CONSTITUENTS AND THAT IS WHO WE WANT ON THE BALLOT AND THAT IS WHO WE'VE GOTTEN THIS YEAR.

>> Renee: LEADER THAYER OPEN SEAT?

>> I WILL ROLL ON THAT ONE.

>> AND HE ENDORSED HIM?

>> YES.

>> WE DID GET A QUESTION BEFORE MY LAPTOP DIED DO WE THINK THAT THE PRESIDENTIAL CONTEST WILL BE ABOUT A PROTEST VOTE?

AND HOW MANY NONCOMMITTEDS SHOULD WE COUNT ON?

>> IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO WATCH.

BECAUSE REMEMBER, DESANTIS AND HALEY PEOPLE ARE STILL ON THE BALLOT.

AND KILIAN TIMNY'S RACE IF HE ENDS UP PREVAILING YOU WILL SEE A STRONG NICKI HALEY VOTE OUT OF FAYETTE COUNTY.

THAT IF HE WINS IT WILL BE PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP AND VOTE HALEY-TIMNY THAT CAN PULL HIM ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.

YOU ARE SEEING WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WEST VIRGINIA NIKKI HALEY IS GETTING DOUBLE-DIGIT% VOTE IN EVERY DATE.

WEST VIRGINIA AND KENTUCKY ARE IN THE 40s.

KENTUCKY WAS NONCOMMITTED AND WEFT VIRGINIA WAS FOR A GUY IN FEDERAL PRISON BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE THE OPTION.

WE'RE MORE LIKE WEST VIRGINIA WHEN IT COMES TO THE PROTEST TRUMP VOTE OR A STATE LIKE INDIANA WHERE HALEY GOT IN THE MID-TEENS.

>> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT OBSERVATION, TOO.

IT WILL BE FUN IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO WATCH.

THERE IS NO DENYING THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL BE SUCCESSFUL HERE.

BUT TALLYING UP THE SIX OTHER NAMES LISTED IN THE G.O.P.

COLUMN FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE OF KENTUCKY, PLUS THE ACTUAL OPTION FOR UNCOMMITTED TO TALLY THOSE UP THAT WILL TELL AN INTERESTING STORY.

>> Renee: ON THE D SIDE, BIDEN'S APPROVAL RATINGS ARE NOT THAT GREAT AND HE IS LOSING TRACTION WITH YOUNGER VOTERS AS WELL.

YOU KNOW IS HE GOING TO PULL DOWN THE PARTY EVEN MORE?

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

I MEAN, DIFFERENT THAN OTHER STATES THAT HAVE GOTTEN A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF UNCOMMITMENTED VOTES ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE WE DON'T HAVE REALLY A FEDERAL CONTINGENCY OF DEMOCRATS.

WE HAVE U.S. REPRESENTATIVE MORGAN McGARVEY AND I THINK WE'VE SEEN IT CORRELATE TO THE NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS AND OTHER STATES.

WITH THE PERCENTAGE OF UNCOMMITTED VOTES.

I THINK WE ARE GOING TO GO FOR BIDEN OBVIOUSLY.

THAT IS ONE PRIMARY I CAN WEIGH-IN ON.

I WILL BE VOTING FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN AND I THINK THE MAJORITY OF DEMOCRATS ACROSS KENTUCKY WILL DO THE SAME.

>> Renee: JARED?

>> YEAH.

I FEEL I THINK BIDEN WILL HE WILL OUTPERFORM UNCOMMITTED.

I THINK ALL THE RURAL DEMOCRATS HAVE CHANGED THEIR REGISTRATION BACK IN 12 WHEN I WAS AT THE PARTY WHEN OBAMA WAS ON THE BALLOT AND WORRIED ABOUT GOING TO THE CONVENTION REGISTERED D'S THAT WENT AND USED THAT TO TRY TO MAKE OBAMA LOOK WEAK.

THOSE PEOPLE HAVE QUOTE-UNQUOTE LEFT THE PARTY.

SO I THINK FOR THAT REASON I DON'T THINK BIDEN SHOULD WORRY HERE.

>> Renee: THERE ARE A COUPLE OF COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEYS RACES THAT ARE INTERESTING.

DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THOSE?

>> .

>> Renee: WHICH ONE?

>> I THINK IT'S 14 BOURBON AND WOODFORD THIS IS JOHNSON KELLY CARNEY AS THE THIRD CANDIDATE.

SCOTT COUNTY IS NOT A HEAVY POPULATION IN THE DISTRICT.

JOHNSON HAS BEEN IN THERE, THEY ARE SIX-YEAR TERMS BUT SHE DIDN'T HAVE A PRIMARY LAST TIME.

AND I CAN SAY MY OUT SIDE GROUP HAS BEEN SPENDING MONEY THERE.

SHE HAS HAD PROBLEMS.

SHE HAD SEVERAL DOUBLE-DIGIT GRAND JURIES WHERE SHE HAD TOO MANY PEOPLE VOTING IN THE GRAND JURY AND MURDER AND RAPE CHARGES WERE DISMISSED THEY HAD TO GO BACK AND INDICT THE JURISTS WERE ABLE TO PREVENT THE PEOPLE FROM GETTING OUT OF PRISON WHICH COULD HAVE HAPPENED AND ONCE TRIED TO TURN HER OFFICE INTO A REALITY SHOW.

IT IS A COMICAL RACE.

RUSSELL COLEMAN ATTORNEY GENERAL'S WEIGHED IN ON IT.

AND LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE WEIGHED IN ON BEHALF OF KELLY KEARN ANY.

IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THAT RACE TURNS OUT TOMORROW.

>> Renee: ANYTHING TO ADD?

>> THESE RACES THAT ARE SORT OF IN THE MIX IN THE DOWN BALLOT IT'S SO DIFFICULT I COMMEND THE CANDIDATES FOR RUNNING AND TRYING TO BREAKTHROUGH GET THEIR MESSAGE THROUGH.

IN A TIME WHERE IT'S SO EXPENSIVE TO GO ON TV AND A MARKET LIKE SCOTT COUNTY CAN YOU AFFORD LEXINGTON TV?

COMMEND THE CANDIDATES FOR GETTING OUT THERE AND TRYING TO RAISE DOLLARS IN COMPETITION WITH OTHERS AND RUN A PROFESSIONAL CAMPAIGN IT'S TOUGH.

>> Renee: HOW MUCH ARE THE RACES COSTING?

>> THE ATTORNEYS RACES THE CANDIDATES SPEND BETWEEN 25-30,000.

>> Renee: AND THAT COMPARES TO A STATE HOUSE OR SENATE RACE?

>> A TOP SPEND OF ALL DOLLARS INSIDE AND OUT, $ 300,000 FOR ONE OF THESE RACES.

THERE ARE A COUPLE MORE ZEROS.

>> THE TIMNY RACE IS 300,000 JUST FROM THE OUTSIDE GROUPS.

>> Renee: AND THAT IS UNPRECEDENTED, RIGHT?

>> I HAVE TO LOOK.

MAYBE.

WHAT IS DIFFERENT THAN LAST TIME, I WAS OUT TRYING TO RAISE MONEY FOR MY GROUP IN '22 AND GROUPS SAY WE DON'T PARTICIPATE IN THE PRIMARIES.

SEEING THE CHAIRMAN GET BEAT PEOPLE REALIZED THE STATE HAS CHANGED AND YOU HAVE TO PLAY IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARIES.

THERE IS A LOT MORE GROUPS IN THE POOL THIS TIME AROUND THAN TWO YEARS AGO BECAUSE THEY REALIZED THAT THE DECISION ON LEADERSHIP IS GOING TO BE MADE IN THE PRIMARY NOT IN THE GENERAL AND WE CAN'T USE THIS OH, WE DON'T PLAY IN THE PRIMARY.

>> Renee: WHAT ABOUT GOVERNOR BESHEAR'S SUPER PAC IS THAT BENEFITING THE CANDIDATES ON THE BALLOT THIS YEAR?

>> YOU'VE SEEN HIM VEST IN SUPREME COURT JUSTICE CAMPAIGN BUT THAT PAC IS TO SUPPORT FOLKS LIKE HIM IN TOUGH RED STATES THAT ARE RUNNING THOSE STATE-WIDE RACES BECAUSE HE IS SEEN AGAIN I SAID IT BEFORE HE IS A NATIONAL MODEL.

HE HAS LEARNED THINGS IN KENTUCKY THAT CAN BENEFIT FOLKS NATIONWIDE.

HE IS DOING A LOT BEHIND THE SCENES FOR DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES GRATEFUL TO HIM FOR THAT.

YOU WILL SEE HIS INFLUENCE A LOT JUST NOT WITH THAT PAC IN DEMOCRATIC RACES.

>> Renee: IS HE DOING ENOUGH TO HELP ON THE STATE LEGISLATIVE FRONT?

>> MONEY TALKS AND WE'LL SEE WHEN KDP UNLOADS WHAT THEY HAVE WE WILL SEE THEN REALLY.

HE IS NOT GOING TO PLAY IN PRIMARIES HE DID ENDORSE REPRESENTATIVE GROSS BERG WHO HAS A CONTENTIOUS PRIMARY.

>> Renee: AND THAT IS IN LOUISVILLE.

>> WE'LL SEE IN THE FALL.

>> AND WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT DANIELLE GROSSBURG AND HIS PRIMARY.

>> HE HAS A PRIMARY FROM A BOOT TO KNEES I BELIEVE, MAN WHO HAS CAME OVER IN 2011.

I DON'T KNOW IF HE IS A CITIZEN OR HAS THIS GREEN CARD BUT HE IS A TEACHER AT FERN CREEK HIGH SCHOOL.

A BILINGUAL TEACHER A LOT OF PEOPLE LOVE HIM.

VERY STRONG.

REPRESENTATIVE GROSSBURG IS TAKING THE RACE SERIOUSLY AND IS WORKING HARD WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

>> Renee: THAT IS ONE TO WATCH.

>> THEY HAVE A COUPLE OTHER OUT IN THE STATE THAT 10 MINUTES LEFT.

I THINK THEY ARE GOING TO BE CLOSE OR YOU COULD SEE INCUMBENTS GET BEAT.

WEST RICHARD HEATH, HOUSE DISTRICT 2.

A STRANGE RACE.

THERE'S NOT WORTH GETTING INTO SOME WEIRD LOCAL, I MEAN HYPER LOCAL ISSUES THAT ARE KIND OF DRIVING FRUSTRATION TOWARDS BOTH CANDIDATES THERE.

THERE IS A LOT OF THE LIBERTY DOLLARS BEHIND KIM HOLLOWAY HIS MO.

I THINK RICHARD HEATH SHOULD BE OKAY.

THAT ONE I KNOW IS GOING TO BE VERY CLOSE.

HOUSE DISTRICT 50, MASS RONNY VERSUS STONE.

MAZ RONNY GOT IN A WEIRD QUIRK WHERE JACKSON WAS LEAVING AND THE PERSON WHO HE WANTED TO MOVE IN HE WOULDN'T START CAMPAIGNING UNTIL CHAD WAS OUT.

WHICH WAS LIKE 30 DAYS OUT.

HE HAD BEEN RUNNING FOR A LONGTIME AND SHE ENDED UP GETTING IN.

THE PERSON DON THRASHER DROPPED OUT.

I THINK ANDY STONE IF YOU ARE GOING TO SEE AN INCUMBENT LOSE THAT IS THE MOST LIKELY RACE.

AND THE OTHER ONE IS 91.

THE BILL WESLEY VERSUS BILLINGS RACE.

WE KNOW THAT DISTRICT LOVED TO FILL OUT INCUMBENTS.

>> Renee: HOWARD'S SEAT.

>> THESE TWO RAN AGAINST EACH OTHER LAST TIME.

BILLINGS IS RUNNING A MORE AGGRESSIVE CAMPAIGN THAN HE DID PREVIOUSLY.

I TALKED WITH SOMEBODY FROM HIS CAMPAIGN TODAY AND HE THINKS THAT COULD BE THE CLOSEST ELECTION THE ENTIRE NIGHT.

>> WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT SENATE RACES TOO.

DISTRICTS 1 AND 7 ON THE SENATE SIDE.

WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THE HOUSE AND DO NOT WANT TO MISS OUT ON THE HOUSE.

DISTRICT 1 THAT IS WEST KENTUCKY, CALLAWAY COUNTY IS THAT CORNER.

HOWELL THE INCUMBENT AND BECHLER WHO USED TO BE A STATE REPRESENTATIVE IS CHALLENGING HIM THAT RACE WILL BE ONE TO WATCH.

AND THOSE OF US ON THE EASTERN TIME ZONE WILL HAVE TO HOLD OUT UNTIL THE POLLS CLOSE.

>> A QUIRK OF THAT RACE, HOWELL HAS NEVER RUN A CAMPAIGN AS A SENATOR.

HE HAD NO PRIMARY OPPONENT AND NO GENERAL ELECTION OPPONENT.

>> Renee: THIS WILL BE A TEST.

>> HE IS RAISING MONEY AND WORKING IT.

I EXPECT SENATOR HOWELL TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND DISTRICT 7.

>> Renee: THIS IS SOUTHWORTH IS THE INCUMBENT SHE IS IN A THREE-WAY COMPETITIVE RACE.

SHE IS SORT OF A PRODUCT OF SOME SEVERE REDISTRICTING I WILL SAY THAT.

SHE HER LINES ARE QUITE DIFFERENT COMPARED TO WHEN SHE CAME IN.

THE ONLY COUNTY REMAINING WAS HER HOME COUNTY ANDERSON BUT PICKED UP SHELL WI AND HENRY AND PART OF JEFFERSON.

AND THAT IS WHERE HER TWO CHALLENGERS ARE COMING FROM.

>> Renee: RNTS THEY HEY NAVY SEALS.

>> THEY ARE BOTH NAVY SEALS.

NOT SURE WHAT IS IN THE WATER IN SHELBY COUNTY.

ONE IS LIBERTY AFFILIATED REED.

AND GALLREIN, OWNS A POPULAR DESTINATION IN SHELBY COUNTY HE IS ALSO A FARMER.

THAT WILL BE INTERESTING.

THAT ONE HAS BEEN TOW DISCUSSED ON THE ISSUES AND WE'LL SEE PARTICULARLY THE DYNAMIC OF ANDERSON COUNTY WHERE SENATOR SOUTHWORTH REPRESENTS.

>> Renee: SHE IS VULNERABLE.

>> VERY.

>> I FORESEE LITTLE PATH FOR SENATOR SOUTHWORTH.

>> I WILL PLAY THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE THEY CHANGED HER DISTRICT, IF YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE RUNNING AGAINST YOU AND BOTH TWO ALMOST THE SAME PROFILE AND YOU ARE THE FEMALE CANDIDATE DON'T YOU THINK THERE IS A LANE FOR YOU?

I DON'T THINK YOU CAN OUTLIBERTY SOUTHWORTH.

>> THAT IS WHERE GALLREIN HAS THE WINDOW, GALLREIN MIGHT HAVE -- REED WILL HAVE A GOOD SHOT AT WINNING.

REED HAS BEEN WHAT LITTLE POLLING HAS BEEN DONE REED IS STRONG BUT GALLREIN IS SPENDING A TON OF MONEY HE IS ON THE LEXINGTON TV.

I THINK THAT WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY FROM KIND OF A ESTABLISHMENT WING AND THOSE TWO DIVVYING UP THE LIBERTY WING AND THAT IS GALLREIN'S PATH IN.

AND GEOGRAPHY PLAYS A LOT IN THESE DISTRICTS.

SHELBY DON'T WANT THE REP FROM BEING FROM ANDERSON COUNTY THAT PLAYS INTO IT A LOT AS WELL.

THIS WILL BE TIGHT.

I THINK IT'S GALLREIN AND WE'LL SEE TOMORROW.

>> I DON'T THINK SENATOR HAL WILL HAVE A PROBLEM HE IS A GREAT SENATOR.

>> AND THE CAUCUS IS SPENDING A TON OF MONEY.

>> Renee: THERE WAS KERFUFFLE, THE PREVIOUS SESSION OVER SOME INTERNET TRAFFIC OF HIS, RIGHT?

>> OH, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT.

>> Renee: THAT HASN'T COME UP THIS TIME AROUND?

>> NOT THAT I'VE SEEN.

>> NOT UNTIL YOU JUST MENTIONED IT.

>> YOU ARE INSERTING YOURSELF IN THE CAMPAIGN.

>> Renee: IT'S MY JOB TO REMEMBER.

>> RENEE SHAW.

>> I HAVE A DEM HOUSE RACE, IT'S ON THE SAME LINES IN LOUISVILLE.

YOUNGER GENERATION TAKING ON AN OLDER ESTABLISHMENT.

GEORGE BROWN 77, WITNESSLY IS RUNNING AGAINST HIM AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR US.

REPRESENTATIVE BROWN IS THE ONLY REMAINING DEMOCRAT FROM WHEN THEY WERE IN THE MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE.

HE HAS BEEN IN THE MINORITY FOR MOST OF THE TIME.

SO FOR DANIEL WITLY TO SAY WHAT HAVE YOU DONE, I CAN GET IT DONE.

>> HE IS AN ATTORNEY?

>> YES.

>> Renee: HAS A HIGH PROFILENA THAT DISTRICT PERIOD.

>> I AM IN THAT DISTRICT I WILL HAVE A FUN VOTE TOMORROW.

>> AND THE HERALD LEADER ENDORSED WITLY.

>> WE CAN'T LOSE REPRESENTATIVE BROWN JUST ON FASHION ALONE.

WE CAN'T.

>> HE IS ALWAYS LOOKING SHARP.

>> Renee: HE DOES COME WITH A FIVE-PIECE SUIT.

WE HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED WAS IN THE OPEN ABOUT HOW THIS COULD AFFECT THE 2025 LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

A THE OF THESE CONTESTS THE PRIMARY WILL DETERMINE WHAT HAPPENS.

AND WHO THE VICTOR IS.

ARE THERE IMPLICATIONS FOR LEADERSHIP COME 2025 DEPENDING HOW THIS THING ROLLS OUT?

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S ON THE IMMEDIATE TERM.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH SEATS THAT WOULD SWING.

I THINK THAT THE LIBERTY SIDE MAY PICK UP ONE OR TWO.

THE ESTABLISHMENT SIDE WILL PICK UP A COUPLE I THINK IT WILL WORK ITSELF OUT TO THE WASH.

THE MORE INTERESTING THING YOU HAVE TO KEEP LOOKING BEYOND AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN DAVID OSBORNE IS NOT THERE AND THERE WILL BE A FIGHT FOR SPEAKER AND.

>> Renee: IS THAT IMMINENT?

>> I DON'T THINK IT IS A IMMINENT BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND KEEP IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND THAT VOTE IS GOING TO COME SOME DAY.

AND WHAT'S IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND WHAT IS THE MAKEUP OF THE CAUCUS.

ONCE YOU GET IN IT'S HARD TO BEAT AN INCUMBENT.

I THINK IF THERE'S SOMETHING FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD THAT THERE'S MEANING IT'S PROBABLY MORE THAT AND LESS THE 2025 SESSION I THINK THE NUMBERS WILL COME OUT ROUGHLY EQUITY L EQUAL.

THE BODIES MAY CHANGE.

>> Renee: YOU AGREE?

>> FOR ME WHAT I WILL BE LOOKING FOR ARE THE DYNAMICS WHO IS DRIVING THE AGENDA.

ACTUALLY DRIVING ISSUES THAT WILL SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY THAT WILL GET THE DESIGNATION OF HOUSE OR SENATE BILLS VERSUS TISSUES GET TUCKED WAY.

I WILL BE INTERESTED TO SEE HOW FEELINGS PLAY OUT FROM NOW UNTIL THE CAUCUS RETREATS COME TO DECEMBER FOR LEADERSHIP RACES.

COMMITTEE CHAIRMANSHIP AND ULTIMATELY WHICH ISSUES START BUBBLING UP THAT WILL PRODUCE AND SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY IN JANUARY.

>> Renee: HOW DO YOU LOOK AT IT?

>> I AGREE WITH IRIS.

IT'S ABOUT WHO IS DRIVING THE AGENDA COME 2025.

AND THE MORE LIBERTY FOLKS THAT WIN TOMORROW, THE MORE SPEAKER OSBORNE'S CHAOS CAUCUS WILL CONTINUE TO BE CHAOTIC.

BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY VERY DIFFICULT TO WRANGLE THAT HANDFUL OF LIBERTY FOLKS HE HAS.

AND I THINK TRES I WAS READING AN ARTICLE AND HE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HOW IT'S REALLY ABOUT TURNING INTO JUST BEING AGRIEVED.

NOT REALLY ISSUE-BASED WITH THE LIBERTY FOLKS.

AND THE MORE LIBERTY FOLKS WIN TOMORROW, THE MORE YOU WILL SEE THAT JUST DISRUPTION FOR THE SAKE OF DISRUPTION.

I DON'T BELIEVE THESE ARE CANDIDATES WHO REALLY HAVE VALUES IN TERMS OF STICKING TO THE ISSUES.

THEY JUST WANT TO BE ANGRY ABOUT SOMETHING AND THEY ARE NOT AFRAID TO BRING THAT TO SPEAKER OSBORNE'S OFFICE AND DISRUPT THE AGENDA.

SO IT WILL BE BETWEEN NOW AND 2025 WHO WINS AND WHO IS DRIVING THAT AGENDA.

>> Renee: LAST WORD JARED?

>> SAY LIBERTY CANDIDATES WIN TOMORROW.

THEN DO THEY COME AFTER SPEAKER OSBORNE AND DOES SOME ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICAN SAY I WILL CUT A DEAL AND BECOME SPEAKER.

SO WHO KNOWS.

>> Renee: SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

>> I DON'T THINK THE NUMBERS WILL CHANGE THAT MUCH.

I THINK MAYBE YOU SEE KILIAN IS THE ONLY ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATE THAT I SEE IN DANGER OF LOSING.

I THINK YOU COULD SEE AS MANY AS I COULD MAKE A CASE FOR TWO TO THREE LIBERTY CANDIDATES GOING DOWN.

I THINK AGAIN THE FACES MAY CHANGE BUT THE NUMBERS WILL STAY ROUGHLY SIMILAR.

OF AS FAR AS THE FUNCTIONALITY OF 2025 IT WILL BE ABOUT WHAT IT WAS THIS TIME.

>> Renee: WE WILL TRACK THE NUMBERS TOMORROW.

JOIN US 4 THE PRIMARY ELECTION COVERAGE AT 8:00 P.M. 7:00 A.M. CENTRAL AND JOIN US AT 6:30 EASTERN FOR KENTUCKY EDITION.

WE'LL HAVE MORE ELECTION COVERAGE AND BILL BRYANT AND A TEAM OF JOURNALISTS WILL BE HERE TO DISCUSS THE NEWS OF THE WEEK ALL ABOUT THE ELECTION OR AT LEAST 80% OF IT ON "COMMENT ON KENTUCKY" FRIDAY NIGHT 8 EASTERN.

CHECK US OUT TOMORROW WE WILL BE HERE FROM 6:30 UNTIL ABOUT 10:00 P.M.

I'M RENEE SHAW AND WE'LL SEE YOU SOON.

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