>> Eric: JOINING US NOW TO TALK CAMPAIGN STOPS, SWING STATE POLITICS AND MORE, POLITICAL PROFESSORS, DAVEIT SHUTTLES TEACHERS POLITICS AT THE HAMLINE UNIVERSITY AND IS AN ADJUNCT LAW PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVUNIVERSITY OF ST. THOMAS.

AND NEIL KRAUS, TEACHES AMERICAN POLITICS AND PUBLIC POLICY AT THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN RIVER FALLS.

HARASE HAS BEEN CRITICIZED FOR NOT FACING QUESTIONS.

THE OTHER NIGHT, HOW DID SHE DO?

>> I THINK HER AND GOVERNOR WALZ DID FINE.

I THINK SHE ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS PRETTY WELL.

SHE SEEMS TO SORT OF MODIFIED PER POSITIONS A LITTLE BIT BUT THERE WERE NO SIGNIFICANT GAFFES OR ANYTHING, AND I THOUGHT I WOULD IMAGINE THEY'RE PLEASED WITH HER PERFORMANCE.

>> Cathy: I LIKE DATA BUT SHE SHOULD HAVE HAD SOME FOLLOW-UPS, MORE FOLLOW-UPS.

>> I AGREE.

DANA IS REALLY GOOD, SHE'S OUTSTANDING, NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

I THINK HARRIS AND WALZ DID NO HARM, BUT DID THEY HELP THEMSELVES?

I'M NOT SURE THEY DID AT THIS POINT.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BOTH OF THEM NEED TO DO IS TAKE A LOT MORE TIME AND TAKE QUESTIONS FROM REPORTERS BECAUSE I SORT OF FELT LIKE AT TIMES SHE WASN'T AS ARTICULATE, WASN'T ABLE TO SORT OF MAKE HER ARGUMENTS AS WELL AS SHE COULD AND SO I TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A LITTLE BIT MORE SKEPTICAL VIEW TO SAY SHE DIDN'T HURT HERSELF BUT DID SHE WIN ANY SWING VOTERS?

NAH.

>> Cathy: I WONDER IF THAT MATTERS, THE OF HE MEDIA IS MAKING A BIG DEAL SHE HASN'T UNTIL THIS POINT SAT DOWN WITH US, DO YOU THINK VOTERS REALLY CARE?

>> I DON'T THINK SO, THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN REALLY DROVE THAT AND IT WAS TRUE, SHE DIDN'T DO INTERVIEWS UNTIL THIS RECENT ONE.

I DON'T THINK A LOT OF VOTERS ARE NECESSARILY INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, MY CANDIDATE HAS TO DO X NUMBER OF INTERVIEWS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I THINK SHE'S MAKING THEY WERE POSITIONS CLEAR WHEN SHE GOES OUT AND GIVES SPEECHES EVERY DAY SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY MYSTERY THERE.

>> I THINK WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT -- I AGREE WITH YOU, BY THE WAY -- I THINK HAT'S MORE IMPORTANT AT THIS POINT IS HER ARTICULATING THE VISION, I THINK WHAT SHE'S DONE VERY, VERY WELL FOR THE LAST FEW WEEKS, THIS IS THE BIGGER PICTURE.

I DON'T THINK THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WOULD WANT TO LISTEN TO A DISCUSSION WHERE SHE SAYS HERE'S HOW I'M GOING TO MOVE MARGINAL TAX RATES AND STUFF LIKE HAT.

IT'S NOT GOING TO GO ANYWHERE, A LITTLE BIT OF MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING FROM REPORTERS BUT ON THE OTHER HAND I THINK SHE NEEDS TO GET SHARPER IN TERMS OF RESPONDING QUESTIONS.

>> Eric: LAY OF THE LAND, WISCONSIN BIDEN VERSUS NOW HARRIS, HAS THE VIBES CHANGED IN WISCONSIN?

>> I THINK CONSIDERABLY, I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE ENERGY JUST LIKE IN MUCH OF THE COUNTRY, IN WISCONSIN ESPECIALLY.

THEY DREW HUGE CROWDS AND THEY KEEP COMING, RIGHT?

SO AND THE GOVERNOR, GOVERNOR WALZ IS I THINK A NATURAL FIT IN A LOT OF THESE SMALLER TOWNS AND CITIES IN WISCONSIN AND SO I THINK IT'S REALLY CHANGED CONSIDERABLY.

>> Cathy: HAS THE ELECTORAL MAP CHANGED SINCE THE RACE HAS FIRMED UP, NOW, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT HARRIS IS IN THE RACE?

>> WELL, I THINK GEORGIA AND NORTH CAROLINA ARE NOW DEFINITELY IN PLAY, VERY MUCH IN PLAY, AND IS I THINK THE BIDEN PEOPLE ROBABLY THREW IN THE TOWEL ON THOSE STATES AT LEAST THEY WERE ACTING LIKE THEY DID.

>> I LIKE HOW YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION.

YOU SAID BECAUSE OF HARRIS, YES, PROBABLY BECAUSE OF HARRIS WITH THE ENTHUSIASM FACTOR FOR HER.

YOU DIDN'T SAY BECAUSE OF WALZ, I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING.

BECAUSE FOR THE MOST PART VICE PRESIDENTS REALLY DON'T MATTER IN TERMS OF CANDIDATES AND THE IDEA FOR BOTH VANCE AND WALZ OF THINKING THEY REPRESENT ALL OF THE MIDWEST AND IS CAN SOME APPEAL ALL ACROSS THE STATE, I MEAN, MINNESOTA IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN HIO IN SO MANY WAYS AND SO HARRIS, YES.

WALZ DOESN'T MOVE THE NEEDLE MUCH.

>> Eric: PRESIDENT TRUMP AT THE ARLINGTON CEMETERY SITUATION.

>> I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT WHOLE EPISODE REALLY REVEALS HOW THIS IS NOT A NORMAL TIME ANYMORE, RIGHT?

I MEAN, PART OF ME IS THINKING THAT THIS IS SORT OF WE ALL HAVE AMNESIA, THIS IS 2016 ALL OVER AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT NATIONAL POLLS AND STATE POLLS AND WHAT HAPPENED AT ARLINGTON IF YOU READ THE DETAILS THERE JUST A COMPLETE DISREGARD FOUR FOR THE LAW AND NORMS AND TRUTH AND ALL THE REST OF IT AND WE'RE ALL JUST SORT OF, WELL, THAT'S JUST HOW THINGS ARE NOW.

SO I THINK WE HAVE TO CONSTANTLY BE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THIS IS NOT A NORMAL POLITICAL TIME, THIS IS NOT A NORMAL POLITICAL ELECTION.

>> I AGREE WITH THAT BUT I'M GOING TO ADD ONE OTHER THING TO IT.

TRUMP DID ACHIEVE SOMETHING BY DOING THAT, HE GOT BACK IN THE NEWS.

FOR THE LAST MONTH HE WAS NOT IN THE NEWS.

HARRIS HAD ECLIPSED HIM AND HE GETS IN THE NEWS.

AND REMEMBER, THERE'S AN OLD PHRASE THAT SAYS BETTER BAD PUBLICITY THAN NO PUBLICITY AT ALL.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

IT'S A VIOLATION OF ALL THE BASIC NORMS, BUT IT GOT HIM BACK IN THE NEWS.

>> Eric: MIDDLE EAST GOING TO END UP BEING AN ISSUE FOR THE DEMOCRATS OR HAS THAT BEEN PUT TO BED?

>> I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THERE'S SOME DEMOCRATIC VOTERS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO TIP THE LECTION A LOT JUST LIKE, I MEAN, DAVID KNOWS FOREIGN POLICY DOESN'T TYPICALLY UNLESS WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A WAR, THE UNITED STATES IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A WAR, I THINK IT'S AN ISSUE THE DEMOCRATS HAVE TO WORK THAT OUT INTERNALLY BUT I DON'T SEE IT TIPPING THE ELECTION.

>> MICHIGAN WILL BE THE ONE STATE WHERE IT'S POSSIBILITY.

IN MICHIGAN YOU'VE GOT A ERY LARGE PALESTINIAN, ARABIC, MIDDLE EASTERN POPULATION THERE.

IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR TRUMP, IT'S GOING TO BE A QUESTION DO THEY SHOW UP TO VOTE OR NOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT WOULD BE THE ONE STATE I WOULD PICK IF I WERE GOING TO SAY IT MIGHT MATTER.

BUT OTHERWISE I AGREE, FOREIGN POLICY, UNLESS WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF A MAJOR WAR, IT'S A BACKSTORY.

>> Cathy: HELP US OUT TOO, THE FACT THAT RFK DROPPED OUT AND IS ENDORSING TRUMP.

WHAT HAPPENS THERE?

WHERE DO HIS PEOPLE GO?

>> I MEAN, THEY WOULD PROBABLY GO TO TRUMP ANYWAY.

I THINK SOME OF THEM STAY HOME, I THINK THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE.

I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK A BUNCH PROBABLY GO TO TRUMP.

>> REMEMBER BY THE TIME RFK JUNIOR ENDORSES HIM HE'S ALREADY FADING IN THE POLLS, WHAT WAS HE ABOUT 5 OR 6% AT THAT POINT?

>> Cathy: HE'S STILL ON THE BALLOT, THOUGH.

IN SOME STATES.

>> YEAH, BUT FOR THE MOST PART I THINK YOU'RE IGHT.

THE VOTERS WHO ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR HIM EITHER ARE GOING TO STAY HOME OR THEY PROBABLY ARE GOING TO BE INCLINED MAYBE TO VOTE FOR TRUMP ANYHOW.

SO I THINK HIM DROPPING OUT ENDORSING TRUMP, NEGLIGIBLE.

>> Eric: IS IT JUST 19 COUNTIES STILL THAT'S GOING TO DECIDE IT OR FEWER?

>> I'M DOWN TO BASICALLY IT'S GOING TO BE ROUGHLY ONE COUNTY IN EACH OF THE SIX SWING STATES SO I THINK IT'S ABOUT SIX COUNTIES.

THAT'S ABOUT IT.

[ LAUGHTER ] MY WHOLE ARGUMENT HAS BEEN THAT WE'RE DOWN O ABOUT 150,000 TO 200,000 VOTERS ACROSS FIVE OR SIX SWING STATES THAT ARE GOING TO ULTIMATELY DECIDE THE ELECTION.

LOOK AT NUMBERS IN WISCONSIN HOW MANY VOTES IT WAS?

>> YOU KNOW, NOT MANY, I CAN'T REMEMBER LIKE 50,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> YEAH, ADD UP ALL THESE SMALL NUMBERS OF VOTERS ACROSS SWING STATES, IT'S AN INCREDIBLY SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE THAT ARE REALLY GOING TO DECIDE THE ELECTION.