>> Eric: FRIDAY NIGHT, JANUARY 30TH AND THE BURNING QUESTION IS: DID CONGRESS MAKE A DEAL IN TIME TO AVOID A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN?

FIRST TOPIC MANY MANY THAT WE'LL TAP FOR OUR TWO GUESTS HERE TONIGHT.

KATHRYN PEARSON TEACHES POLITICAL SCIENCE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA.

CINDY RUGELEY HEADS UP THE POLI.

SCI.

DEPARTMENT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA DULUTH.

SO THEY'VE STRIPPED OUT THE HOMELAND SECURITY MONEY, THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE -- SENATE'S GOING TO VOTE ON THE REST OF IT BUT IT'S GOT NO SALE IN THE HOUSE.

AND WHERE DO WE STAND?

>> THERE'S A LOT GOING ON.

SO EVERY YEAR CONGRESS NEEDS TO PASS AND THE PRESIDENT NEEDS TO SIGN INTO LAW 12 # ANNUAL APPROPRIATIONS BILLS THAT FUND THE GOVERNMENT.

COMING INTO ALL OF THESE, SIX WERE ALREADY PASSED AND SIGNED INTO LAW.

THEN THE HOUSE AND SENATE STRUCK A COMPROMISE TO DO THE REMAINING BILLS, REMAINING SIX BILLS, THE HOUSE PASSED THEIR VERSION, AND THEN SENATE DEMOCRATS SAID, WAIT A MINUTE, WE WANT SOME SERIOUS CHANGES TO I.C.E.

BEFORE WE'RE WILLING TO GO ALONG WITH THIS.

IT'S REALLY THEIR ONLY LEVERAGE POINT.

SO PRESIDENT TRUMP GOT INVOLVED, THERE WAS A COMPROMISE SO THAT ALL OF THE SPENDING BILLS HAD BEEN PASSED BY THE SENATE ACTUALLY AS OF THIS AFTERNOON, THE REMAINING SPENDING BILLS EXCEPT AS YOU NOTED THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY IS ONLY FOR TWO WEEKS.

THAT GIVES DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, THE PRESIDENT TWO WEEKS TO NEGOTIATE SOME SERIOUS POLICY CHANGES FOR I.C.E.

TIGHTENING WARRANTS, NO MASKS, BODY CAMERAS, SORT OF A LOT OF POLICY CHANGES BUT THE QUESTION IS CAN THEY DO THAT, IN THE MEANTIME THE HOUSE STILL NEEDS TO COME BACK AND VOTE SO THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN THIS WEEKEND AT LEAST.

>> Eric: HAS THE I.C.E.

BUSINESS THROWN EVERYTHING INTO A COCKED HAT HERE?

>> YES IT, REALLY HAS.

I MEAN, CAN THEY GET SOMETHING DONE IN TWO WEEKS?

I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION'S THINKING EVERYTHING WILL COOL DOWN THERE, ALL THE BACKLASH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL OR NOT AND I THINK THE DEMOCRATS ARE PRETTY MUCH DUG IN ON IT.

>> Cathy: YOU BOTH ARE POLITICAL SCIENTISTS, YOU'VE GOT CLASSES, AND I'M WONDERING WHAT YOU THINK, I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU TELL YOUR STUDENTS ABOUT THIS WHOLE SITUATION THAT HAS OCCURRED HERE IN THE TWIN CITIES METRO AREA SINCE DECEMBER?

AND THE FIRST, SECOND, FOURTH, AND TENTH AMENDMENTS ARE LL UNDER THE MICROSCOPE HERE IN THE TWIN CITIES.

HOW DO YOU -- HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS TO STUDENTS AND TEACH AROUND IT >> THAT'S SUCH A GOOD QUESTION.

I MET WITH STUDENTS JUST ON TUESDAY AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING GOING ON IN MINNEAPOLIS BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AMERICAN POLITICS.

IT IS ALL CENTERED HERE AND THEY'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, SORT OF YOUNGER, PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN POLITICS, GET A HANDLE ON THIS.

BOTH WHAT IS GOING ON, WHAT IS GOING ON FOR SOME OF THEIR CLASSMATES WHO CAN'T LEAVE THEIR HOMES, AND THEN WHAT THIS MEANS FOR THEIR FUTURE.

YOU KNOW, SHOULD THEY STILL BE INTERESTED IN SORT OF PUBLIC SERVICE AND POLITICS, AND I THINK THIS THROWS A LOT OF THINGS INTO QUESTION.

>> Cathy: WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> YEAH, SAME TYPE DEAL.

I MEAN, YOU TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE AMENDMENTS.

YOU LET THEM TALK, WHAT DOES THIS AMENDMENT SAY, WHAT DOES THE FIRST AMENDMENT SAY, WHAT DOES THE FOURTH AMENDMENT SAY.

AND YOU LET THEM TALK ABOUT IT, IN NOT IN TERMS -- YOU TALK ABOUT ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF THE AMENDMENT AND WHAT IT MEANS AND HOW IT APPLIES AND WHAT IT MEANS TO THEM.

AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT IT SO BY HE END OF THE DISCUSSION THEY GENERALLY GENERATE A REAL APPRECIATION FOR THE BILL OF RIGHTS.

SO TO THAT EXTENT I THINK IT'S HEALTHY.

>> ABSOLUTELY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BILL OF RIGHTS MORE THAN USUAL.

AND TRUST IN GOVERNMENT IS ALWAYS PRETTY LOW, ESPECIALLY CONGRESS ACTUALLY, BUT REALLY THEY'RE SORT OF QUESTIONING HOW IS IT THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS AT ODDS WITH THE GOVERNMENT IN MINNESOTA TO SUCH AN EXTENT.

AND I DO ALSO, YES, THIS IS, WE'RE ALL GRAPPLING WITH THIS.

THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED SO IT'S REALLY STRIKING.

>> Eric: UNDER THE HEADLINE OF NO CRISIS SHOULD BE WASTED, WHYS CAN'T THEY ALL GET TOGETHER AND USE THIS NOW AS THE RUN ONE WAY FOR COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM?

>> WELL, THERE DEFINITELY -- WELL, FIRST, THERE'S A LOT OF SORT OF TRUST THAT HAS BEEN LOST.

AND SO THAT IS JUST MAKING THE SORT OF PARTISAN DIFFERENCES AND POLICY DIFFERENCES THAT ALREADY EXIST WHEN THERE'S A LACK OF TRUST, IT'S HARDER TO NEGOTIATE.

BUT CERTAINLY CONGRESS HAS FAILED FOR YEARS TO ENACT MAJOR IMMIGRATION REFORM, EVEN IT HAS BEEN THE PRIORITY OF SOME PAST PRESIDENTS, I'M THINKING OF GEORGE BUSH.

AND SO IMMIGRATION REFORM IS CHALLENGING WHEN THE PARTIES ARE DOING WELL.

AND SO I THINK THERE WILL BE DISCUSSIONS OF THAT, BUT I'M NOT OVERLY OPTIMISTIC.

>> Eric: DO THEY WANT THE ISSUE OR DO THEY WANT A SOLUTION?

>> WELL, I THINK THAT INITIALLY THEY WANTED THE ISSUE BUT I THINK THAT VERY QUICKLY THE SOLUTION IS BECOMING THE ISSUE, AND I MEAN I THINK THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT -- YOU HEAR IT MORE ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE RIGHT NOW SAYING, WELL, STOP TALKING ABOUT -- START TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO, START THROWING OUT PROPOSALS.

AND SO I THINK IT'S GOING TO START BECOMING MORE OF AN ISSUE GOING FORWARD ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE THAN IT IS EVEN THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.

>> AND REPUBLICANS ALSO HAVE INCENTIVES TO TRY TO WORK ON THIS THAT THEY DIDN'T BEFORE.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT POLLING PREVIOUS TO THE SURGE IN MINNEAPOLIS AND MINNESOTA, IMMIGRATION WAS AN ISSUE THAT REPUBLICANS POLLED MUCH BETTER ON THAN DEMOCRATS, DEFINITELY ABOUT 60% OF THE PUBLIC THOUGHT REPUBLICANS HANDLED THE ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION BETTER.

NOW THAT IS FLIPPED AND I THINK THAT THAT COULD INCENTIVIZE SOME COMPROMISE.

>> Cathy: LISTEN, I ASK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE YOU HEARD ME ASK BRIAN ABOUT THIS, THE KSTP SURVEY USA POLL OUT HERE ON FRIDAY NIGHT, THIS IS IN MINNESOTA NOW, 61% OF MINNESOTANS DISAPPROVING THE PRESIDENT'S HANDLING ON IMMIGRATION, HIS APPROVAL RATING IS PRETTY LOW, KIND OF UNDERWATER HERE.

I'M WONDERING WITH THE MIDTERMS AHEAD, WHAT KIND OF -- HOW ARE THESE UMBERS GOING TO REFLECT ANYTHING GOING FORWARD FOR REPUBLICANS?

IS >> I THINK PARTICULARLY HERE, I THINK IT MIGHT OUGHT TO WAKE HIM UP.

I THINK YOU SAW A LITTLE BIT OF IN THE ANNOUNCEMENTS WHEN SENATOR KLOBUCHAR GOT IN, SHE TENDED TO COUCH A LOT OF HER REMARKS IN TERMS OF WHO'S GOING TO STAND UP TO THIS ADMINISTRATION, WHO'S GOING TO STAND UP TO THIS PRESIDENT.

AND ON THE OTHER SIDE IT WAS, WELL, THE FRAUD ISSUE.

AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO -- I THINK THAT SHE'S GOT AN ISSUE THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, LOOK, WE NEED OMEBODY THAT'S STRONG ENOUGH TO STAND UP TO HIM AND I THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG ISSUE IN THIS RACE.

AND AGAIN, IT'S NINE MONTHS OFF, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE I.C.E.

INVASION CHANGED OBVIOUSLY THE WHOLE EXTURE, THE WHOLE TENURE OF THIS RACE.

I MEAN, I THINK BEFORE, FRAUD WOULD HAVE BEEN THE ISSUE.

I DON'T THINK THAT -- I DON'T KNOW F THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CASE NOW.

I THINK THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE RAUD THE ISSUE AND I THINK SHE'S GOING TO -- THE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE TRUMP THE ISSUE.

>> Eric: WHOLESALE RETIREMENTS COMING IN THE HOUSE?

>> POTENTIALLY.

I MEAN, CERTAINLY THIS IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, -- MIDTERM ELECTIONS ARE TOUGH FOR THE PARTY OF THE PRESIDENT IN A GOOD YEAR, BUT WITH AN UNPOPULAR PRESIDENT IT JUST MAKES IT ALL HE HARDER FOR REPUBLICANS AND THEN ADD TO THIS, YOU KNOW, A STATE THAT IS TRAUMATIZED.

SO I THINK THAT WE MAY SEE MORE RETIREMENTS, SORT OF STRATEGICALLY, PEOPLE WHO EITHER DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO SERVE IN AN INSTITUTION THAT'S DYSFUNCTIONAL, OR IF IT LOOKS LIKE A RACE THAT'S HARDER TO WIN.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS SHE TOUCHED ON JUST THEN THAT I'D LIKE TO GO BACK ON BEFORE YOUR NEXT QUESTION IS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T TRUST GOVERNMENT, BUT I THINK NOW IT'S GOTTEN WORSE THAN THAT, I THINK THERE'S SOME INSTITUTIONAL LEGITIMACY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME INTO PLAY, AND THOSE ARE LONG-TERM AND THEY'RE HARD TO CORRECT.

AND I MEAN, IT'S MORE THAN -- I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT THE THING WITH THE INVESTIGATIONS WITH THE DOJ.

LEGITIMACY IS A PROCESS, IT'S NOT AN OUTCOME.

AND THE PROCESS HAS CHANGED FOR THIS.

AND SO I THINK THAT IT'S MORE THAN, WELL, WE DON'T TRUST THE TRUMP DOJ ANYMORE, IT'S WE DON'T TRUST THE INSTITUTIONS AND THAT'S REALLY DIFFICULT.

>> WHO WON THE MIDTERM REAPPORTIONMENT WAR?

>> IT'S NOT QUITE OVER YET, REPUBLICANS BUT NOT TO THE EXTENT I THINK THEY THOUGHT WHEN THEY STARTED THIS BECAUSE OF THIS AND CALIFORNIA AND A COUPLE STATES HAVE SAID WE'RE -NOT GOING ALONG EVEN THOUGH THE PRESIDENT IS ASKING US TO.

THIS REAPPORTIONMENT, THIS UNUSUAL MID-DECADE CYCLE IS GOING TO NET -- SOME SEATS.