>> IN THE LINE OF DUTY •.TWO POLICE OFFICERS GUNNED DOWN NEAR SYRACUSE •A REMINDER OF EVER PRESENT DANGER AND HIGH POWERED WEAPONS.

THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA •.TRUST IS AT AN ALL-TIME LOW, IS MEDIA ILL-LIBERALISM TO BLAME?

BIDENOMICS.

THE NUMBERS LOOK GOOD BUT PEOPLE AREN'T FEELING IT.

MAYBE IT'S THOSE HIGH INTEREST RATES.

AND A WIDER WAR?

IRAN'S MISSILE ATTACK ON ISRAEL WAS SOUNDLY DEFEATED.

WHAT SHOULD ISRAEL AND THE U.S. DO NEXT?

STAY TUNED FOR IVORY TOWER ON ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO A SPECIAL HOUR LONG EDITION OF "THE IVORY TOWER" ON THE ROAD.

THIS WEEK, WE'RE COMING TO YOU FROM MEMORIAL CHAPEL ON THE CAMPUS OF COLGATE UNIVERSITY.

I'M DAVID CHANATRY, FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

OUR PANELISTS TONIGHT ARE NINA MOORE FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY, TY SEIDULE FROM HAMILTON COLLEGE, ANIRBAN ACHARYA FROM LEMOYNE COLLEGE, BEN BAUGHMAN FROM GANNON UNIVERSITY AND CHAD SPARBER, FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY.

WE'LL TAKE SOME STUDENT QUESTIONS LATER IN THE SHOW.

WE HAVE TO BEGIN OUR DISCUSSION WITH THE TERRIBLE NEWS OUT OF SYRACUSE LAST WEEKEND.

A SYRACUSE POLICE OFFICER AND AN ONONDAGA COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPUTY WERE KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY.

AFTER A CAR FLED FROM A TRAFFIC STOP, OFFICER MICHAEL JENSEN AND LT. MICHAEL HOOSOCK RESPONDED TO THE OWNER'S HOME AND WERE MET BY GUNFIRE.

POLICE SAY THEY WERE SHOT WITH AN AR-15 SEMI-AUTOMATIC RIFLE WITH AN ILLEGAL 40-BULLET MAGAZINE.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT GUN LAWS AND THE SUPREME COURT QUITE A BIT ON THIS PROGRAM, BUT WE ARE A NATION FLOODED WITH ASSAULT WEAPONS AND IF LAWS CAN'T STOP THIS, WHAT CAN?

>> OUR SOCIETY NEEDS TO DO BETTER AT HUMANIZING AND SUPPORTING THE POLICE.

THAT'S THE FIRST THING.

THE MEDIA COVERAGE, WHEN AN OFFICER IS SHOT IN THE LINE OF DUTY IS SIGNIFICANTLY LIMITED WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHEN OFFICERS HAVE TO USE DEADLY FORCE ON OTHER PEOPLE.

AND THOSE TWO THINGS ARE HUGE.

BUT THEN ALSO UTILIZING APPLIED INTELLIGENCE IN REAL TIME TO HELP MITIGATE AND REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF EVENTS LIKE THIS ALSO HAS SHOWN TO BE EFFECTIVE IN OTHER COUNTRIES.

SO I THINK PREVENTION, MITIGATION AND INVESTIGATION SUPPORTING THOSE WOULD ALSO HELP.

>> THAT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO CHANGE THE SITUATION LIKE WHAT WE JUST HAD.

>> NO.

NO, IT HAS HAPPENED.

BUT ALSO THE DECAY OF SUPPORT FOR POLICE HAS BEEN HAPPENING INCREMENTALLY FOR YEARS NOW.

AND THAT ALSO HAS TRANSLATED IN THE AMOUNT OF OFFICERS THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY AND HAVE DIED IN THE LINE OF DUTY.

>> CHAD.

>> I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON BEN'S THOUGHTS ON THE SUPPORT FOR POLICE.

YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A 2013 PAPER PUBLISHED IN THE INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF EMERGENCY MENTAL HEALTH.

AND IT DOCUMENTED THE MASSIVE DEFICIENCY AND LIFE EXPECTANCY RATE FOR POLICE OFFICERS RELATIVE TO THE GENERAL POPULATION AND IT'S NOT JUST THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD THINK ABOUT LIKE THE DANGER OF THE JOB BUT SHIFT WORK AND OBESITY AND GENERAL STRESSES THAT LEAD TO INCREASED HEART DISEASE AND CANCER.

AND SO ACCORDING TO THIS STUDY, MY FATHER, HE JUST TURNED 70 YEARS OLD, REGULAR GUY IN HIS POSITION COULD BE EXPECTED TO LIVE ANOTHER 17 YEARS.

BUT HE WAS A COP FOR 30 YEARS.

AND SO ACCORDING TO THIS PAPER, THAT GIVES HIM JUST FOUR AND A HALF.

I CERTAINLY HOPE HE BEATS THAT NUMBER.

BUT, YOU KNOW, TO BEN'S POINT, IT IS A TERRIBLELY UNHEALTHY JOB.

THE NEWS CYCLE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS HAVE BEEN PARTICULARLY CRITICAL OF POLICING AND EXCEPTIONALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE START TO DO MORE TO APPRECIATE THEIR SERVICE.

>> YEAH, BUT I THINK THIS IS ABOUT SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST POLICE OFFICERS AND TIM BYRNES IS IN THE AUDIENCE SO I'M GOING TO STEAL ONE OF HIS SAYINGS WHICH IS WHAT IS THIS CASE A CASE OF.

CERTAINLY THIS HAS TO DO WITH HOW WE HAVE REALLY SORT OF PIM PUMMELED POLICE OFFICERS RECENTLY.

BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IF THE OFFENDER DID NOT HAVE A HIGH POWERED GUN, AND IF HE DIDN'T HAVE IN HIS POSSESSION SOMETHING THAT COULD ALLOW HIM TO SOUND OFF OR USE 40 ROUNDS AND ESSENTIALLY SHOOT MORE SHOTS THAN COULD BE COUNTED IN THE SPACE OF SOME 30 SECONDS, THEN I THINK THE POLICE WOULD HAVE HAD MUCH MORE OF A FIGHTING CHANCE THAN THEY DID.

SO WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT DO WE NEED BASICALLY EVERYDAY CITIZENS TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, HIGH POWERED WEAPONS.

AND I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO.

AND THAT'S HOW WE PROTECT POLICE.

>> SO NINA THE MAGAZINE THAT HE HAD WAS OUTLAWED UNDER, I BELIEVE UNDER THE NEW YORK SAFE ACT PASSED WHEN GOVERNOR CUOMO WAS IN OFFICE.

BUT THERE HAS BEEN A FAIR AMOUNT OF RESISTANCE, ESPECIALLY AROUND HERE, A LOT OF RESISTANCE TO THAT ACT.

>> DAVE, COULD I TALK ABOUT-- >> GO RIGHT AHEAD.

>> MY ARMY CAREER, I HAVE FIRED AN M-16 A LOT, A WHOLE LOT, THE M-16 WAS DESIGNED FROM THE AR-15 AND IT IS A WEAPON OF WAR DESIGNED FOR A WEAPON OF WAR DID SIGNED TO ARE VIETNAM AND THE MOST EFFECTIVE WEAPON WE HAVE HAD IN THE MILITARY FOR YEARS.

IT IS LIGHT WEIGHT, THE ROUND IS LIGHT WEIGHT AND YOU CAN CARRY A LOT OF ROUNDS WITH THAT IT, THAT 40 MAGAZINE IS A GOOD POINT.

IT'S A 22 CALIBER REALLY.

BALLISTIC PROPERTIES ARE DESIGNED TO HURT, THE BULLET, WHEN IT HITS SOMETHING, IT DISSOLVES, BREAKS APART WHICH CAUSES MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF DAMAGE SO IT'S A WEAPON OF WAR.

BUT WHAT IS EVEN MORE DEVASTATING IS THAT IN 1990, MOST WEAPONS WERE AR-15.

AND NOW 25% OF ALL GUNS SOLD ARE AR-15S AND THAT'S SCARY TO THINK THAT THERE ARE THAT MANY WEAPONS OF WAR OUT THERE.

IN THE 1934 NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT PREVENTED A LOT OF THINGS.

YOU CAN'T BUY AN UMBRELLA GUN.

DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNEW THAT.

YOU CAN'T BUY AN UMBRELLA THAT LOOKS LIKE A GUN BUT THE AR-15 WASN'T THERE IN 1934.

YOU YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THAT WITH AN AR-15, YOU CAN FIRE IT QUICKLY.

THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED OR WE CAN HAVE MAYBE INSURANCE ON WEAPONS, OR AT LEAST THE CDC COULD RESEARCH IT MORE.

>> GIVEN THE ORIGINALIST INTERPRETATION OF LAW RIGHT NOW WITH THE ACT OVERTURNED IN NEW YORK, THE BROOM CASE, WOULD ANY KIND OF LAW ABOUT THE AR-15 STAND UP OR THE UMBRELLA GUN?

WOULD IT BE RULED UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

>> THE 1934 FIREARMS ACT HAS NOT BEEN OVERRULED.

THE FACT THAT YOU COULD AMEND THAT OR COULD YOU SAY-- I MEAN IT'S ALREADY THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE A MACHINE GUN.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT IS FOR.

YOU CAN'T HAVE A TANK, EITHER.

PROBABLY ANOTHER GOOD THING.

BUT YOU CAN MAKE IT-- AND THERE ARE OTHER WAYS OF DOING IT, STUDYING, WHICH THE CDC OUTLAWED STUDYING, CONGRESS OUTLAWED STUDYING FIREARMS.

YOU COULD PUT INSURANCE ON IT.

WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF EVERY AR-15 HAD AN INSURANCE RIDER ON IT LIKE A CAR.

>> THIS IS A TERRIBLE TRAGEDY BECAUSE BOTH OF THESE OFFICERS WENT TO LEMOYNE.

THERE IS REALLY NOTHING TO SAY, OR ANYTHING ELSE I CAN SAY OTHER THAN THAT, THAT THIS IS A REALLY TERRIBLE TRAGEDY AND FOLLOWING UP THAT THESE WEAPONS OF WAR THAT HAVE BEEN FLOODING THE UNITED STATES.

YOU KNOW, WHEN I CAME TO THE U.S.

IN 2004, PEOPLE SAID YOU WILL HAVE A CULTURE SHOCK.

I DIDN'T HAVE ANY CULTURE SHOCK OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT IT IS SO EASY FOR ANYONE TO PICK UP A GUN AND JUST KILL ANYONE THEY FEEL LIKE AT DIFFERENT PLACES.

BUT YOU KNOW, SO THIS IS IMPORTANT.

BUT I WANT TO PUT A LITTLE BIT ON HERE THAT THERE IS A MOVEMENT BY CONSTITUTIONAL SHERIFFS IN UPSTATE NEW YORK.

THEY SAY WE REFUSE TO ENFORCE LAWS THAT WE THINK IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL WHEN IT COMES TO GUN CONTROL.

AND THAT'S RECKLESS COMING FROM SHERIFFS THEMSELVES.

YES, THERE HAS BEEN CRITICISM OF POLICING IN THE UNITED STATES.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS ANY DATA THAT SHOWS THAT THE CRITICISM, WHICH IS, IN MANY CASES, VALID, HAS LED TO MORE DEATH OF OFFICERS LIVES.

AND THIS IS NOT TO TAKE AWAY AT ALL FROM THE VERY IMPORTANT FACT THAT THESE PEOPLE WERE IN THE LINE OF FIRE.

THEY WERE SAVING THE COMMUNITY AND THEY GAVE THEIR LIVES FOR US THEY ARE HEROES TODAY.

SO IT'S A COMPLICATED AND MOST IMPORTANT, THE WEAPONS OF WAR SHOULD NOT LIE IN THE HANDS OF CIVILIANS CHT IT'S DANGEROUS.

>> TO DAVID'S POINT EARLIER, THE GUY WAS BREAKING SO MANY LAWS TO BEGIN WITH.

THE MAGAZINE SIZE, HE WASN'T LICENSED FOR THE WEAPON AND SO FORTH.

IN TERMS OF LIKE OTHER SOLUTIONS, THE COMMON SOLUTIONS PEOPLE PROPOSE IN TERMS OF MASS SHOOTINGS ARE THINGS LIKE COGNITIVE BEHAVIORAL THERAPY OR THE RED FLAG LAWS.

I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC CASE TO KNOW IF THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN EFFECTIVE OR NOT BECAUSE DETAILS ARE STILL COMING OUT.

>> THAT'S A FANTASTIC POINT.

THE RED FLAG, UTILIZING THE LEAKAGE THAT TENDS TO HAPPEN PRIOR TO EVENTS.

WE HAD 630 MASS SHOOTINGS LAST YEAR ALONE.

SO THE SHOOTINGS, IT'S PART OF OUR CULTURE.

AND SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE-BASED PRACTICES THAT DID HELP MITIGATE THE AMOUNT OF THEM AND LEETHALITY OF THEM.

>> NINA.

>> I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT WE CAN STOP PEOPLE FROM HAVING REASONS TO SHOOT OTHER PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK ABOUT HIM HAVING USED COCAINE, ABOUT PEOPLE NOT LIKING POLICE OFFICERS, ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, ABOUT PEOPLE JUST HAVING A BAD DAY, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S REALLY A QUESTION OF WHAT ENABLES THEM TO DO THE SORT OF DAMAGE THAT THEY CAN DO AND TO THE POINT THAT THEY'RE OUTGUNNING POLICE OFFICERS.

SO WHATEVER CAUSES IT... >> YEAH, JUST REAL QUICK.

AGREED.

80% OF THE HOMICIDES IN AMERICA ARE CAUSED BY GUNS.

IT'S THE METHOD USED AND THAT'S TWICE AS MUCH AS CANADA THAT COMES IN SECOND.

SO-- BUT, THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS IN PLACE AND THE COURTS HAVE SHOWN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO UPHOLD THAT.

>> BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I WANT TO ASK YOU, BEN.

YOU ARE A FORMER POLICE OFFICER AND WHEN YOU WERE ON PATROL, HOW PRESENT IS IT IN YOUR MIND THAT SOMETHING COULD GO SIDEWAYS, YOU KNOW... >> ALL THE TIME.

EVERY SINGLE CALL I WENT ON, THERE WAS A GUN, AT LEAST ONE GUN, RIGHT?

MY GUN.

AND I MEAN THESE CIEBTD OF GUNS, THEY'RE EVERYWHERE.

THEY'RE RAMPANT.

AND SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE TRAINING, EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT.

WHAT RALEIGH DID VERY WELL IS IMPLEMENTED AFTER 9/11, THE RALEIGH INTELLIGENCE CENTER THAT SUPPORTS THESE TYPES OF INVESTIGATIONS BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A ROUTINE TRAFFIC STOP.

THAT'S THE WORST STATEMENT THAT CAN BE MADE.

>> TWO PROMINENT MAINSTREAM MEDIA ORGANIZATIONS RECENTLY HAVE COME UNDER STRONG CRITICISM FROM WITHIN.

FIRST, FORMER NEW YORK TIMES EDITOR JAMES BENNETT WROTE A BITING PIECE SAYING THE TIMES WAS DEVELOPING AN "IL-LIBERAL BIAS" IN ITS COVERAGE.

HE SAID SOME STAFFERS RESIST INFORMATION WHICH DOESN'T FIT THEIR WORLDVIEW.

THEN LAST WEEK A LONG-TIME N-P-R EDITOR WENT PUBLIC, SAYING THAT NETWORK HAS ADOPTED A PROGRESSIVE POINT OF VIEW IN ITS COVERAGE AND STORY CHOICE.

IT CERTAINLY SEEMS TRUE THAT AMERICANS NO LONGER HAVE A SHARED REALITY.

NINA, DO WE HAVE A PROBLEM?

>> YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

WHICH PART OF THE PROBLEM DO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT NOW?

THE FACT THAT, SURE, WE HAVE AN IDEOLOGICAL SLANT.

WE KNOW WHICH NEWS OUTLETS ARE GOING TO HAVE A LIBERAL SLANT VERSUS A CONSERVATIVE SLAPT, SO THE QUESTION IS WHY IS THAT THE CASE?

AND ULTIMATELY HAVE TO LOOK AT WHO IS CONSUMING THE NEWS?

WHO IS DRIVING THIS.

AND SO AS CONSUMERS, WE'VE MOVED AWAY FROM TRADITIONAL PLATFORMS.

WE'VE MOVED TO SOCIAL MEDIA.

AND SOCIAL MEDIA IS PRETTY MUCH DRIVEN BY ADVERTISING REVENUES AND BASICALLY GETTING THE MOST CLICKS, NOT GETTING THINGS ACCURATE.

SO UNTIL WE CHANGE OUR INTEREST AND FACTS AND GETTING THINGS RIGHT AND GETTING THE TRUTH, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS PROBLEM.

SO YOU WILL HAVE THESE NEWS OUTLETS THAT WILL PLAY TO THEIR BASE.

WE TALK ABOUT POLITICIANS HAVING THEIR BASE.

BUT SO DO NEWS MEDIA OUTLETS.

AND SO DO THOSE WHO ARE CONSUMING THE NEWS.

>> I THINK THE PROBLEM IS BIGGER THAN EVEN WHAT YOU SAY-- WERE YOU FINISHED?

I'M SORRY.

>> YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY ONE OTHER THING; THAT THERE IS A STUDY OUT OF OHIO STATE THAT SHOWS THAT WE ARE DRAWN TO OUTLETS THAT AGREE WITH WHAT WE ALREADY BELIEVE.

SO WE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR NEW INFORMATION.

WE ARE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE OR PLACES OR OUTLETS TO BASICALLY CONFIRM WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW.

>> SO YOU STARTED BY SAYING, TALKING ABOUT SUBSCRIPTION MODELS WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE NOW.

THE BUSINESS MODEL OF NEWSPAPER JOURNALISM, TRADITIONAL JOURNALISM IS DEAD BECAUSE OF THE WEB.

SO NOW PEOPLE SUBSCRIBE AND THERE IS LESS ADVERTISING REVENUE AND THAT'S AN ECONOMIC STORY, CHAD.

AND SO HOW DO YOU GET AROUND THAT.

>> I THINK THE PROBLEM IS ACTUALLY DEEPER.

AND THERE WAS A 2022 AMERICAN JOURNAL STUDY THAT FOUND ONLY 3.4% OF JOURNALISTS ARE REPUBLICANS DOWN FROM 18% 20 YEARS AGO.

AND SO WHAT IS LESS CLEAR IS HOW DO YOU SOLVE THAT?

GIVEN THEIR SCARCITY IN NEWS ORGANIZATIONS, NPR, WHOMEVER, THEY'RE GOING TO BE LIKELY UNABLE TO FIND A STABLE FULL OF CONSERVATIVES JUMPING AT THE CHANCE TO BE REPORTERS AND JOURNALISTS, ESPECIALLY IF THE WORK ENVIRONMENT IS HOSTILE TO THEIR IDEAS.

>> I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE CONSERVATIVE SHOULD BE AFRAID OF THEIR OTHER CONSERVATIVES FROM WHERE THEY'RE BEING KICKED OUT.

LOOK.

THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER STUDY BY MANIFESTO PROJECT THAT LOOKS AT MANIFESTOS OF OTHER COUNTRIES AND CODES THEM IN THE LEFT-RIGHT CONTINUUM OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM AND IT INCREASINGLY SHOWS-- AND "THE NEW YORK TIMES" HAD AN ARTICLE-- HA HA-- THE U.S. REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS MOVED FAR RIGHT TOWARDS AFD, A NEIGHBORHOODIST OUTFIT IN GERMANY.

IT IS NOT-- CONSERVATIVES ARE NOT FINDING PLACES IN LIBERAL OUTFITS.

CONSERVATIVES IN MANY PLACES ARE NOT ABLE TO FIND PLACES IN THEIR OWN CONSERVATIVE OUTFITS BECAUSE THAT HAS GONE LIKE HERE.

HERE ARE KEY WORDS.

ULTRANATIONALISM, RACIAL SUPREMACY, AWE AUTHORITARIANISM, XENOPHOBIA, ANTI-IMMIGRATION.

WHICH PARTY COMES TO MIND IN THE U.S.?

>> LIBERALS.

[LAUGHTER] >> HERE'S THE PROBLEM.

>> THAT LITTLE A LIBERAL ANSWER.

I LIKE THAT.

>> SENSATIONALISM.

THAT GETS THE CLICKS THAT TALKS DIRECTLY TO WHAT NINA SAID AND IT'S JUST CONFIRM WAG WE ALREADY THINK WE KNOW.

AND IF WE ARE NOT CROSS REFERENCING, IF WE ARE NOT ENFORCING OURSELVES TO CHECK OTHER SOURCES, THEN IT DOES GO DEEPER, JUST ONE MORE THING, DAVE BECAUSE CHAD DID SAY IT GOES DEEPER AND IT GOES DEEPER THAN THAT IS THE WAY OUR MINDS ARE SET UP.

WE SUBCONSCIOUSLY WILL ELIMINATE SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT CONFORM WITH WHAT WE BELIEVE AND WHAT WE THINK WE SHOULD SEE.

AND THAT IS SUCH A POWERFUL THING IF WE ARE NOTE AWARE OF THAT.

>> NOT ON "IVORY TOWER," BUT... >> I WANT TO GET TY IN ON THIS.

I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT NEITHER OF THOSE CRITICISMS, ONE FROM THE NPR AND THE OTHER FROM JAMES BENNETT SAID THEY WERE GETTING THEIR FACTS WRONG, THEY WERE REPORTING INCORRECT FACTUAL INFORMATION BUT THEY WERE MORE OPEN TO CERTAIN STORIES.

>> THIS ISN'T SOME NEW PROBLEM.

YOU KNOW, IN 1860 WE HAD 3,000 NEWSPAPERS IN THIS COUNTRY.

THERE IS YELLOW JOURNALISM THAT HELPED LEAD US TO WAR IN THE SPANISH-AMERICAN WAR.

WE HAVE HAD A PROBLEM, WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD A PROBLEM WITH THIS.

THE DIFFERENCE IS WITH THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE ENDED IN THE REAGAN ADMINISTRATION, THAT MEANT THAT ANY NEWS ORGANIZATION COULD HAVE A SLANTED OR A SINGULAR VIEW, MAYBE NOT EVEN SLANTED BUT A SINGULAR VIEW.

YOU GO TO TODAY'S MEDIA OUTLET AND TWO PAPERS ARE MILWAUKEEING MONEY AT THIS POINT, THE WALL STREET JOURNAL AND "THE NEW YORK TIMES," WHICH IS THERE IS A CLEAR DIVIDE AT THE JOURNAL ON WHAT THEY WRITE IN THE NEWS AND THE OPINION PIECES.

IN THE NEW YORK TIMES THAT HAS STARTED TO BLEED INTO EACH OTHER AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS HELPING.

SO I DO THINK THERE IS SOMETHING THE TIMES CAN DO.

BUT WE NEED THE TIMES.

IT IS THE ONLY PAPER THAT IS MAKING MONEY RIGHT NOW AND IT CAN GO INTO PLACES THAT NO ONE ELSE IS DOING.

I JUST THINK THE JOURNAL DOES DO A GOOD JOB.

I LOOK AT THE OPINION PAGE.

I DON'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING IT SAYS BUT AT LEAST THERE IS A SPLIT BETWEEN THE TWO.

>> AND THAT DIVISION BETWEEN THE NEWSROOM AND THE OPINION SECTION WAS ONE OF THE MAIN CRITICISMS OF THE TIMES EDITOR.

>> IT WAS.

I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR THAT.

>> I WANT TO GET A QUESTION, ANIRBAN, ANOTHER CRITICISM OF THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA MAY BE THAT IT TRIES TOO HARD TO HAVE WHAT MIGHT BE A FALSE BALANCE SOMETIMES; THAT BY TRYING TO PRESENT BOTH SIDES, SOMETIMES-- THIS IS A CRITICISM YOU GET, THAT'S WHY PEOPLE SAY JON STEWART IS A BETTER NEWSCASTER THAN THE NETWORKS.

>> I PERSONALLY AS A POLITICAL SIGNIST DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYTHING CALLED OBJECTIVE NEWS.

THERE NEVER HAS BEEN.

EVERY NEWS IN THAT WAY IS POLITICALLY CHARGED, POLITICAL ANGLE, POLITICAL POWER.

SO I DON'T THINK-- I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE CASE.

JUST A QUICK CONTEXT THOUGH.

JAMES BENNETT IS GETTING BENT OUT OF SHAPE BECAUSE OF THE ARTICLE THAT WAS RUN, AT BEST THAT WAS A TERRIBLY SLOPPILY WRITTEN ARTICLE CALLING FOR BASICALLY THE MILITARY TO BE DEPLOYED AGAINST RIOTERS AND NEW YORK TIMES RIGHTFULLY FIGURED OUT WHAT THE PROBLEMS WITH THAT PIECE AND PULLED THE PIECE WHICH BENNETT DIDN'T LIKE.

SO THE 16,000 WORD ESSAY THAT WE ARE KIND OF IN THE CONTEXT IN THE BACKGROUND TALKING ABOUT, IT IS BASICALLY A VERY PERSONALIZED KIND OF ATTACK ON THE NEW YORK TIMES, IF YOU WILL.

AND YOU KNOW, I DO THINK THOUGH THAT SAYING BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY IS A TRICKY LINE TO GO TO.

ONE SIDE OF THE STORY IS SAYING THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN COMPLETELY AND THE EARTH IS FLAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF CRAZINESS OUT OF REALITY STUFF THAT IS BEING SAID.

DO YOU WANT THE FASCISTS TO BE REPRESENTED ON TV?

>> IT'S NOT ABOUT THE FASCISTS.

>> WELL, IT COULD BE.

I THINK A LOT OF IT-- IT DEPENDS UPON WHOSE VIEW YOU ARE LOOKING AT THIS FROM BECAUSE WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE SAY OH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE BOTH SIDES-ISM.

MY THOUGHT THERE IS USUALLY HIS STORY, HER STORY, THE TRUTH AND THEN FROM WHERE I COME FROM, THE T TRUTH.

SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT NEWSPAPERS AND THERE HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS DECLINE IN NEWSPAPER CIRCULATION BECAUSE OF THE REVENUES PROBLEMS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.

BUT HERE'S THE OTHER THING THAT AN OHIO STATE STUDY FOUND IS THERE ARE CERTAIN PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE KIND OF INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY AND ALSO CONFIDENCE THAT THEY CAN READ AN OPPOSING VIEW AND THAT'S NOT MUCH OF AMERICA.

BUT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THAT SORT OF CAPACITY, THEY DO READ THE OPPOSING VIEWS.

AND SO WHAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT, ESPECIALLY FOR COLLEGE STUDENTS, BECAUSE THIS OHIO STATE STUDY WAS BASED ON 1256 STUDENTS AND WATCHING-- 156 STUDENTS AND WATCHING HOW THEY HANDLE IT.

AS PROFESSORS HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE OUR STUDENTS TO NOT ONLY BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND AND HANDLE AN OPPOSING VIEWPOINT, BUT HOW TO PUSH BACK AGAINST IT.

>> CHAD, YOU WERE CHOMPING AT THE BIT HERE.

>> CHAD IS ALWAYS CHOMPING AT THE BIT.

>> THE BERLINER ESSAY ON NRP P NPR IT WAS EXCELLENT.

THE ABSENCE OF COLLUSION IN THE RUSSIAN ELECTION, HUNTER BIDEN'S LAPTOP AND THE LAB LEAK OF COVID.

THAT IS NOT A FASCIST AGENDA.

THAT IS NPR MAKING A DECISION THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO COVER THESE TOPICS THAT ARE-- >> WE FEED MORE TIME ON THIS TOPIC BECAUSE THERE IS A GREAT CONVERSATION TO BE HAD ABOUT WHETHER NEWS ORGANIZATION SHOULD HAVE COVERED THAT LAPTOP IN THAT CONTEXT.

>> AT THE END OF THE DAY-- >> HAVING SAID THAT, WE HAVE TO MOVE TO OUR NEXT-- >> AT THE END OF THE DAY, "THE IVORY TOWER" IS A GOOD SPACE TO TALK ABOUT THIS >> FOR THE PAST YEAR OR SO WE'VE BEEN HEARING MANY DEMOCRATS AND CERTAINLY THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION SAYING PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THE ECONOMY IS GOOD.

BUT LATELY THERE'S BEEN SOME REPORTING SUGGESTING REGULAR FOLKS MAY KNOW SOMETHING THAT THOSE POLITICIANS AND PUNDITS DON'T-- HAT THE COST OF MONEY MATTERS, TOO.

IF YOU INCLUDE INTEREST RATES PLUS THINGS THE CORE INFLATION NUMBERS LEAVE OUT, LIKE FOOD AND FUEL, THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX MAY NOT REFLECT THE WAY MOST PEOPLE LIVE.

THE JOBLESS RATE CONTINUES UNDER AND IF THAT NOT A SETUP FOR CHAD SPARBER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS.

>> I'LL TRY TO CALM DOWN.

>> SO I THINK THE ECONOMY AND THE ECONOMIC DATA IS A ERROR RORSHACK TEST AND BIDEN CANNOT RUN ON HIS ECONOMIC SUCCESS YET, TO CITE A FEW WEAKNESSES.

THE FIRST IS MEDIAN INFLATION AUFT JED EARNINGS ARE JUST 1% HIGHER THAN THEY WERE MAINTAIN FIRST QUARTER OF 2020.

SECOND, PERSONAL SAVINGS ARE ABOUT HALF NOW WHAT THEY WERE IN 2019.

THIRD IS THAT 2023 WAS THE LEAST AFFORDABLE YEAR TO BUY A HOME IN RECENT HISTORY.

AND THEN FINALLY BIDEN'S ECONOMIC POLICIES, HIS KEY ECONOMIC POLICIES LIKE THE GREEN ENERGY SUBSIDIES AND DEBT FOREGIFNESS FOR-- FORGIVENESS FOR STUDENT LOANS ARE REGRESSIVE AND ARE NOT GOING TO DO MUCH TO HELP THE POOREST AMERICANS PAY THEIR BILLS AND THAT'S FUNDAMENTALLY A PROBLEM HE IS GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, IN THIS ELECTION CYCLE.

>> I THINK THAT TOUCHES ON ANOTHER DEEPER, DEEPER PROBLEM, CHAD.

WHICH IS THAT WE HAVE TO RETHINK THE METRICS THAT WE USE TO SPEAK TO WHETHER OR NOT THE ECONOMY IS DOING WELL, AND WHETHER OR NOT AN ADMINISTRATION IS DOING WELL.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK AT JOBLESSNESS, TO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT WALL STREET IS DOING WELL, INVESTMENTS ARE UP OR DOWN, DOESN'T REALLY TOUCH ON THE KINDS OF CONCERNS THAT MOST AMERICANS HAVE.

AND SO WE'VE GOT TONS OF POLLING DATA THAT SHOW THE REASON BETTER THAN 60 TO 65% OF AMERICANS DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE ECONOMY IS IN SHAPE IS NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE CHECKING THE JOB OUTLOOK, BUT BECAUSE THEY SEE INFLATION AS HAVING CREATED A HARDSHIP FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL LIVES.

AND A KEY PART OF THAT HARDSHIP IS THE COST OF FOOD.

SO YOU CAN BRING DOWN ALL OF THESE OTHER PRICES.

YOU CAN IMPROVE ALL OF THESE OTHER INDICATORS, BUT IF WHEN I GO TO TOPS OR WEGMAN'S AND I FIND NOT ONLY THAT THE PRICES ARE STILL HIGHER THAN THEY WERE BEFORE INFLATION, BUT ALSO THAT THE PRODUCTS THEMSELVES ARE IN SMALLER PACKAGES, THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO BE THINKING ABOUT BECAUSE I'M DOING THAT MUCH MORE FREQUENTLY THAN I'M PURCHASING AN AUTOMOBILE OR A HOME.

>> TY.

>> I THINK I ALWAYS WANT TO LOOK BACK NOT JUST TO THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2020 BUT THE SECOND QUARTER OF 2020 AND THERE IT WAS 14% UNEMPLOYMENT.

THERE IT WAS WE WERE SCARED TO DEATH ABOUT THE EFFECT THAT THIS WAS GOING TO HAVE.

AND FOUR YEARS ON, IT IS REMARKABLY WE'VE COME A LONG WAY BACK THAT I DIDN'T THINK WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO IN THAT.

SO I THINK THAT WE SOMEHOW GO BACK TO 2019 AND EARLY 2020 WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE JUST BEEN THROUGH WHICH WAS EXTRAORDINARY.

SOME PEOPLE COMPARE IT TO THE PERIOD RIGHT AFTER WORLD WAR II, 1947-1948 WHEN THERE WAS ALL THIS PENT UP DEMAND AND MONEY WHICH CREATES INFLATION AND I THINK THAT IS TRUE.

I THINK WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE THINGS THAT BIDEN MAY NOT HAVE DONE TO MAKE IT A BETTER ECONOMY.

BUT I THINK WE ALSO SHOULD THINK ABOUT WHAT TRUMP HAS SAID ABOUT WHAT HE WOULD DO ABOUT INFLATION, WHICH IS ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES.

AND WHAT HE HAS SAID IS SCARY LIKE A 10% TARIFF ON EVERYTHING.

SO THE IDEA THAT WE ARE GOING TO PUT A TARIFF, ANOTHER TAX, REGRESSIVE TAX, SEEMS EVEN WORSE.

WHILE-- THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH CRITICIZING BIDEN BUT LOOK WHAT TRUMP HAS SAID.

HIS THINGS ARE MORE INFLATIONARY THAN ANYTHING BIDEN IS DOING.

>> PART OF BIDENOMICS IS TO PROTECT AMERICAN INDUSTRY AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT TARIFFS ON CHINESE STEEL AND THAT WOULD BE INFLATIONARY, WOULDN'T IT, ANIRBAN?

>> YEAH, IT WILL BE INFLATIONARY AND I DON'T THINK TRUMP SHOULD HANDLE ANY SCIEND OF ECONOMIC POLICY FOR U.S.

BUT THTSES A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION ALL TOGETHER.

-- THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION ALL TOGETHER.

I WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE THERE WAS A HUGE BROUHAHA THAT A BIG RED WAVE IS GOING TO CRASH ON THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE BIDEN IS SO BAD WITH ECONOMIC POLICIES THERE WILL BE A RED WAVE WASHOUT OF THE CONGRESS.

DID IT HAPPEN?

IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

WHY DIDN'T IT HAPPEN?

AND I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS IS THAT BIDEN HAD SOME IMPORTANT PROLABOR POLICIES PUT IN PLACE THAT WERE CHAMPIONED BY AMERICAN LABOR.

AMERICAN LABOR HAS BEEN ABLE TO GAIN SIGNIFICANT GROUNDS EVEN THROUGH THE PANDEMIC.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS A REALLY A LOT OF WORRY.

BUT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT THE BROADER PICTURE AND SEEING THIS TREMENDOUS INEQUALITY, TREMENDOUS POVERTY AND YES I MIGHT BE DOING BETTER BUT ONLY MARGINALLY BETTER.

FOOD PRICES AND SO ON.

SO THAT MIGHT BE ONE OF THE REASONS THAT IS DRIVING THIS LACK OF CONFIDENCE.

>> SO WE DIDN'T HAVE A RECESSION, WHICH EVERYONE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE.

BEN.

>> YEAH, AND THE FEDS, THEY RAISED INTEREST RATES AND CONTINUE TO RAISE INTEREST RATES TO HELP KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING.

THE SIDE EFFECT, ITSELF SYMPTOM IS PART OF WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

IT CURBS CONSUMER SPENDING WHICH THEN STALLS SMALLER BUSINESSES, PUTS THEM OUT OF BUSINESS, IMPACTS WHERE WE INVEST, WHERE WE PUT OUR MONEY IF WE ARE GOING TO KEEP IT IN SAVINGS, IF WE GET THE RETURN WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN IN SAVINGS AND HOW MUCH IT ACTUALLY COSTS TO BORROW MONEY.

SO CREDIT CARDS ALONE, THE AMOUNT OF CREDIT CARDS THAT HAVE DEBT NOW VESHESZ A COUPLE YEARS AGO ARE INSANELY DIFFERENT.

>> SO-- IT'S FUNNY, THE ECONOMY IS NOT THAT BAD.

AND THAT'S THE CRITICISM OF THE LEFT WING ECONOMISTS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

THAT LIKE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, THEY'RE NOT GREAT BUT THEY'RE NOT TERRIBLE.

BUT I THINK NINA IS 100% RIGHT.

>> I'M ALWAYS RIGHT.

[LAUGHTER] >> YES, YES, SHE IS.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FOOD PRICES, WHEN YOU SEE TIKTOK VIDEOS COMPLAINING ABOUT $25 MEALS AT CALIFORNIA McDONALD'S, LIKE THAT'S A REAL HARDSHIP FOR LOWER INCOME AMERICANS.

AND WHEN IT CULLS TO THE VOTING THING, IT'S NOT ABOUT TRUMP OR BIDEN AND WHO IS BETTER.

IT'S REALLY DO I GO TO THE POLLS IN NOVEMBER.

>> IS THE ECONOMY IT.

PEOPLE ARE SAYING MAYBE IT'S NOT THE ECONOMY.

MAYBE IT WILL BE THE OTHER ISSUES THAT WILL BE IT.

>> I DON'T THINK THERE ARE SWING VOTERS.

>> IT'S ALWAYS THE ECONOMY.

AND I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE IT THERE.

I'M GOING TO SAY IT'S THE ECONOMY AND FILL IN THE BLANK.

IT'S THE ECONOMY.

AND I THINK IT HAS TO BE SAID THAT BIDEN HAS DONE QUITE A BIT.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE KINDS OF POLICIES THAT HE HAS PUSHED, IMPROVING INFRASTRUCTURE AND BRINGING DOWN THE COST OF PRESCRIPTION DRUGS AND SORT OF BEEFING UP OUR PRODUCTION OF MICROCHIPS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS BODE WELL BUT BODE WELL PRIMARILY FOR THE FUTURE.

AND SO AT SOME POINT, HE HAS GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BRAG ABOUT THOSE THINGS, YES, ALSO, ALSO, TALK TO PEOPLE WHERE THEY LIVE.

AND SO THERE HAS TO BE MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT FOOD, ABOUT FOOD, ABOUT GAS IN THE TANK, ABOUT THE STUFF THAT PEOPLE ARE THINKING ABOUT.

OTHERWISE IT'S LIKE YOU'VE GOT THIS IMPROVING ECONOMY, ACCORDING TO THE USUAL METRICS, BUT IF A TREE FALLS IN THE FOREST AND THE AMERICAN PUBLIC DOESN'T HEAR IT, IS IT REALLY MAKING A SOUND?

I WOULD SAY AT THIS POINT, NO.

>> SO, Mr. ECONOMISTS, PROFESSOR ECONOMIST, WHY DON'T WE CONSIDER THOSE OTHER COSTS IN THE INFLATION RATE?

>> OH MY GOSH, THAT'S SO WONKY AND NERDY, WE'LL PUT EVERYBODY TO SLEEP.

DISWHRT TV VERSION.

>> HOW DO YOU INCORPORATE INTEREST RATES INTO THE COST OF A BASKET OF GOODS?

AND RIGHT NOW INTEREST RATES ARE LIKE 7.5%, WHICH IS HARD, IF YOU ARE TRYING TO BUY A NEW HOME.

IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE CPI MEASURE.

>> WE DON'T LOOK MUCH AT OTHER COUNTRIES, YOU KNOW, WE ARE SO-- BECAUSE WE ARE HUGE AND THERE IS A REASON WHY BUT IF YOU LOOK AT EVERYBODY ELSE, WE ARE DOING BETTER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE.

AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT GOES TO SHOW THAT WHAT BIDEN DID WASN'T THAT INFLATIONARY.

WE HAD ABOUT THE SAME-- IT CAME UP ABOUT THE SAME.

IT ENDED ABOUT THE SAME.

WE ARE ALL ABOUT THE SAME IN THE WORLD.

I JUST THINK THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE REST OF THE WORLD, WE ARE DOING PRETTY WELL COMPARED TO THAT BUT WE ARE SO BIG, WE CAN'T REALLY SEE THAT IN OTHER COUNTRIES.

>> SO YOU OBVIOUSLY THINK THAT WHAT BIDEN DID WAS INFLATIONARY BECAUSE OF THE YOU JUST REACTED.

>> IT WAS INFLATIONARY.

>> BUT EVERYBODY HAD INFLATION IT WASN'T JUST HERE.

>> I DON'T HAVE MY NOTES FROM NOVEMBER WHEN I TALKED ABOUT THERE ON THE SHOW, BUT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE WERE SLOWER TO RECOVERY THAN EVERYBODY EXCEPT BRITAIN, EVERYBODY IN THE G7.

I'M ON SHAKY GROUND.

>> SIXTH IN THE G7.

>> I THOUGHT YOU SAID WE DID BETTER THAN EVERYBODY.

>> ONE LAST THING.

TO TY'S POINT, SO OFTEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INFLATION IN THE U.S., WE TALK ABOUT IT AS IF IT IS BEING CONTROLLED SOLELY OR PRIMARILY BY EITHER TRUMP OR BY BIDEN, WHEN IN FACT THE ENTIRE WORLD HAS EXPERIENCE UNDERSTAND -- HAS EXPERIENCED INFLATION >> WE SPOKE ABOUT THE WAR GAZA LOT HAS HAPPENED SINCE.

IRAN RESPONDED TO THE KILLING SOME OF ITS TOP COMMANDERS IN SYRIA BY LAUNCHING A DIRECT ATTACK AGAINST ISRAEL.

IT WAS A HUGE AERIAL ASSAULT EITHER DESIGNED FOR SHOW -OR- WAS A TOTAL FAILURE AS NEARLY ALL ITS MISSILES AND DRONES WERE SHOT DOWN BY ISRAELI, AMERICAN AND BRITISH FORCES.

AND NOW AS WE FIND OUT JORDANIAN FORCES.

SO APRIL BAN, HOW SHOULD THE U.S. AND ISRAEL RESPOND?

THE ADMINISTRATION IS URGING CAUTION, BUT CAN AN ATTACK LIKE THAT BE IGNORED?

>> WELL, I DON'T THINK ISRAEL IS IN A POSITION TO IGNORE THAT, BUT IF BB HAS SOME INTELLIGENCE IN THIS MATTER, HE WOULD IGNORE THIS ATTACK.

I'LL TELL YOU WHY.

THINK ABOUT A COUNTRY GOING INTO ANOTHER SOVEREIGN COUNTRY AND BOMBING ITS CONSULATES.

HOW DOES THAT SQUARE WITH INTERNATIONAL LAW?

AND, YOU KNOW, ISRAEL WAS ABLE TO SAVE ITSELF FROM THIS BARRAGE OF ATTACKS, BUT IRAN HAD ALREADY TOLD A BUNCH OF PEOPLE BEFOREHAND THAT THEY WERE GOING TO ATTACK AND THEY HAD ALREADY SAID BEFOREHAND THIS ATTACK IS GOING TO COME.

>> SO IT WAS JUST SHOW, A PERFORMANCE.

>> A SHOW.

IN FACT, WHEN YOU GO BACK, WE CAN SAY THE U.N.

IN THE RETALIATION THE U.

SAID IN THE WAKE OF THE ATTACK, THEY WANTED A U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL CONDEMNATION.

THAT'S ALL IRAN WANTED.

NOW WOULD I ASK THIS QUESTION, RIGHT?

IN WHICH REALITY WE CAN COMPLETELY OVERLOOK THAT ISRAEL GOES AND BOMBS SYRIA, BOMBS LEBANON, BOMBS A CONSULATE OFF IRAN IN A DIFFERENT COUNTRY AND WE COMPLETELY INDUSTRIAL AMNESIA, WE ARE ENGULFED BY IT AND THEN WE ARE LIKE WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO IRAN.

LOOK AT THIS TERRIBLE IRAN.

AND YES, LOOK, THERE NEEDS TO BE NO IDEALIZED VIEW OF THIS TREMENDOUSLY REPRESSIVE REGIME THAT IRAN HAS BUT THAT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM THE FACT THAT THIS ATTACK IS NEITHER UNEXPLAINABLE NEITHER IS IT UNPROVOKED.

SINCE MY ALLEGIANCE IS TO KNOWLEDGE AND NOT ANY PARTICULAR COUNTRY OR PARTISANSHIP, I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WILL BE BEST FOR BEBE TO COME TO HIS SENSES AND LISTEN TO THE UNITED STATES AND NOT ESCALATE THIS IN THE ENTIRE REGION.

>> TY.

>> I WORRY ABOUT THIS AS AN ESCALATORY EVENT.

THERE HAVE BEEN A SERIES OF ESCALATORY EVENTS, CERTAINLY ISRAEL BOMBING A CONSULATE, NO MATTER HOW YOU SAY IT, IRANIAN TERRITORY AND THEY HAVE A DECREPIT AUTOCRATIC SEEM JETSTREAM AND THEN THERE IS A RESPONSE FROM ISRAEL SO IT COULD GET WORSE.

I HOPE IT DOESN'T.

THERE HAS BEEN ANOTHER TIME HISTORICAL EXAMPLE WHEN ISRAEL WAS BOMBED MUCH MORE SUCCESSFULLY BY SCUD MISSILES IN 191 AND DURING THE FIRST GULF WAR.

I WAS THERE DURING THAT TIME, SAW SCUD MILLIONS GOING OVER TIME.

WHEN THAT HAPPENED, ISRAEL WAS TOLD DON'T DO ANYTHING.

WE'VE GOT IT.

THERE IS A SIMILARITY TO THAT NOW BECAUSE IT IS A MULTINATIONAL EVENT.

IT WASN'T JUST THE FOUR NATIONS THAT WE HAD.

THERE WERE OTHER GULF NATIONS-- IF THERE IS ONE THING THEY ALL AGREE IN THAT REGION, THEY HATE IRAN AND FEARFUL OF IRAN.

SO I THINK THERE IS A CHANCE THAT NOTHING HAS HAPPENED YET, EVEN IF IT IS SOMETHING.

IT MAY BE COVERT OR LOWER LEVEL BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO ESCALATE AND ISRAEL-- THE U.S., JORDAN AND THE OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE ISRAEL'S BACK AND THAT MEANS SOMETHING, PARTICULARLY AT THIS POINT.

>> I ALWAYS HATE COMING BEHIND TY WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MILITARY MATTERS, RIGHT, BECAUSE HE IS ACTUALLY LIVED AND DONE WHAT WE'VE JUST STUDIED A LITTLE BIT.

SO I THINK IT HAS TO BE STRESSED THAT ISRAEL IS IN A VERY DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN THE COUNTRIES SUCH AS THE U.S. THAT IS TRYING TO DICTATE TO ISRAEL HOW TO HANDLE ITS SITUATION.

WHAT OCCURRED ON SUNDAY WITH THE ATTACK BY IRAN IS THAT ISRAEL WAS HIT FROM MULTIPLE COUNTRIES, THE HEWITT HUTIS IN YEMEN AND HEZBOLLAH AND IRAQ SO YOU HAVE A COUNTRY THAT IS TAKING LITERALLY TAKING FIRE FROM ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT POSITIONS AND SO I HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, GET YOU GUYS TO THINK ABOUT THIS.

WHAT IF THE U.S.

WERE SIMILARLY SITUATED AND TAKING INCOMING FIRE FROM MULTIPLE COUNTRIES AND THEN OUR EUROPEAN ALLIES WOULD SAY TO US, YEAH, BUT DON'T RETALIATE.

JUST SORT OF SIT AND TAKE IT.

SO I THINK THAT'S A MAJOR CONCERN FOR ME AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT YOU SORT OF TOUCHED ON IS THAT IRAN IS ON ITS WAY TO DEVELOPING ITS NUCLEAR PROGRAM.

AND SO WHILE WE ARE ALL CELEBRATING THAT 99% OF THE MISSILES THAT WERE SHOT WERE BLOCKED, TO ME THAT BECOMES AN INCENTIVE FOR IRAN TO THINK MORE SERIOUSLY ABOUT ITS EFFORTS NOW TO ENRICH URANIUM TO THE POINT THAT IT'S WEAPON GRADE URANIUM AND WITH TRUMP, YOU WILL LOVE TO HEAR THIS, WITH TRUMP HAVING PULLED OUT OF THE NUCLEAR DEAL, THAT'S MUCH MORE POSSIBLE.

SO, YES, SUCCESS NOW, IRAN DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, MAKE A LOT OF HAY HERE BUT WHAT ABOUT THE FUTURE?

>> BEN, ISRAEL, ONE APPROACH IS THE IDEA THAT THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING JUST TO MAINTAIN CREDIBILITY OF DETERRENTS.

DO YOU BUY THAT?

CAN THEY NOT JUST-- IS THE PHRASE NOW TAKE THE WIN?

DO THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING?

>> I THINK THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING BUT IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD ESCALATE IT.

THE PERSON THEY TOOK OUT, ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT THEY TOOK OUT ON THE FIRST THAT WAS ONE OF THE PRECURSORS TO THIS EVENT THAT HAPPENED OVER THE WEEKEND WAS A GENERAL WHO WAS A GENERAL OVER THE OVERT-- COVERT OPERATIONS OF IRAN, AND WAS TRAINING AND SUPPLYING WEAPONS TO HAMAS IN GAZA AND WAS PART OF THE PLANNING AND IMPLEMENTATION OF WHAT HAPPENED ON OCTOBER 7 YOU HAVE HEZBOLLAH, HAMAS, HUTHIS ALL FUNDED TRAINED AND BACKED BY IRAN AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR SHOW TO THROW 300 MISSILES, DRONES TOWARDS CIVILIANS IN A COUNTRY.

THERE HAS TO BE A RESPONSE BUT I DO AGREE IT SHOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WILL CONTINUE TO ESCALATE THE REGION.

>> CHAD.

>> I DON'T THINK HAVE YOU TO DO ANYTHING.

THIS IS A TIME TO THINK ABOUT SOFT POWER AND HARD POWER.

YOU AND BIDEN SAID, TAKE THE WIN.

THE ECONOMIST HAD A CLEVER QUOTE LAST WEEK WHEN ISRAEL FIGHTS WITH STATELESS PALESTINIANS, ISRAEL'S FRIENDS ARE DIVIDED.

WHEN IT'S ATTACKED BY RADICAL STATES SCUCH AS IRAQ AND IRAN, THEY RALLY BEHIND IT.

IRAN GAVE ISRAEL A GIFT.

I MEAN YOU GO BACK A WEEK AGO AND BIDEN SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL WAS WANING BECAUSE OF THE CIVILIAN DEATHS AND SO FORTH.

AND AFTER THE ATTACK, JORDAN, LEBANON, SAUDI ARABIA AND SYRIA SAW MISSILES FLYING OVER THEIR TERRITORY WITH DEBRIS COMING DOWN.

IRAN HARMED ONE PERSON.

IT WAS A BEDOIN GIRL AND THE WORLD IS REMINDED THAT IRAN SEEKS THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL SO THIS MIGHT BE A SWAYS WHERE WESTERN AND ARAB COUNTRIES ARE UNITED IN SUPPORT.

>> THE BIGGER PICTURE HERE COULD BE EXACTLY THAT.

THAT THERE ARE SUNNI ARAB NATIONS THEIR INTERESTS ALIGN MORE WITH ISRAEL.

>> CHAD HAD IT RIGHT THAT THE DETERRENT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.

THE DETERRENCE WAS THAT EVERYBODY AGREED THIS WAS COULD NOT-- THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN.

ISRAEL GOT WAY MORE OUT OF IT.

IT WAS A STRATEGIC-- I AM BELL SILLIC MOVE BY IRAN.

STUPID TO DO THIS BECAUSE THEY UNITED EVERYBODY AGAINST THEM AND PUT ISRAEL, WHO WAS MOVING TOWARD PARIAH STATUS, ISRAEL CAME OUT OF THIS WITH A BIG W AND IRAN, BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY'RE A TERRIBLE REGIME WITH POOR LEADERSHIP AND REALLY FOR THE IRANIAN PERSPECTIVE, IT IS HOW CAN WE CONTINUE TO RULE BECAUSE THERE ARE VERY FEW PLACES IN THAT AREA OF THE WORLD THAT HAVE A MORE PRO-AMERICAN POPULOUS THAN DOES IRAN.

IT SEEMS STRANGE BUT TRUE.

>> ISRAEL DID WARN ITS NEIGHBORS AND THROUGH BACK STORY THAT THEY WERE GOING TO ATTACK SO IT WAS NOT A SURPRISE.

WHERE DO WE DRAW THE INTERNATIONAL ORDER THAT UNITED STATES HELPED BROKER AFTER THE SECOND WORLD WAR.

ANYWHERE WE FIND A TERRORIST, THEY GO AND ASSASSINATE THEM.

IS THAT FINE NOW?

IS THAT ACCORDING TO THE INTERNATIONAL LAW?

SO WHAT GIVES ISRAEL THE AUTHORITY TO GO TO A DIFFERENT COUNTRY, WHATEVER THE FIGHT, THE WORST HAMAS LEADERS MIGHT BE HIDING THERE BUT INTERNATIONAL LAW COULD BE BROKEN WHEN IT'S U.S.

ALLIES BUT NOT WHEN IT'S U.S.

ENEMIES.

THIS BLACK AND WHITE VIEW OF THE WORLD IS GOOD FOR FAIRY TALES FOR CHILDREN BUT NOT FOR INTERNATIONAL ANALYSIS BY SCHOLARS.

>> I AGREE IT'S NOT BLACK AND WHITE, BUT I'LL SAY THIS, THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ISRAEL HAVING A WIN AND THIS HAVING BEEN, YOU KNOW, A GOOD THING FOR ISRAEL.

BUT AMERICA HAS SKIN IN THE GAME THERE, AND SO WHAT IS SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT HERE IS THAT ISRAEL IS OUR STRONGEST ALLY IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND IRAN IS OUR STRONGEST ENEMY.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT ISRAEL SORT OF SAYING WELL, IF YOU WANT U.S. SUPPORT, HAVE YOU TO DO THIS.

ISRAEL ISN'T EXACTLY A CHARITY CASE.

THE U.S.

NEEDS ISRAEL TO BE STRONG AS WELL.

>> AT THIS POINT I WOULD LIKE TO THROW IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUE BARBARA FOUGHT AND WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS FROM STUDENTS.

>> THANKS, DAVE.

WE HAVE A GREAT AUDIENCE HERE AT COAL-- AT COLGATE AT THE MEMORIAL CHAP CHAPEL.

IF YOU WILL FLAG ME A LITTLE BIT THAT YOU HAVE A QUESTION.

I'VE GOT SOMEBODY RIGHT HERE.

>> HELLO.

I WAS WONDERING WHY DO YOU BELIEVE THAT CONSUMERS ARE STILL SPENDING A LOTTED OF MONEY ON GOODS AND SERVICES DESPITE THE HIGH INFLATION AND INTEREST RATES?

>> THAT SOUNDS LIKE A CHAD SPARBER QUESTION.

>> WHY ARE CONSUMERS STILL SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON GOODS AND SERVICES DESPITE THE HIGH INFLATION AND INTEREST RATES?

>> I THINK IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON WHAT KIND OF CONSUMERS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

I THINK THAT PEOPLE IN MIDDLE INCOME AND UPPER INCOME LEVELS ARE ACTUALLY DOING PRETTY DECENTLY.

IF I'VE ALREADY GOT A LOAN WITH A FIXED RATE MORTGAGE, THE HIGH INTEREST RATES AREN'T AFFECTING ME AT ALL.

INFLATION IS NOT SO BAD.

WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE HURTING MORE IS SORT OF LOWER INCOME PEOPLE OR PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING TO BUY THEIR FIRST HOME.

AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMY AND THE STATE OF THE ECONOMY, IS IT STRONG OR IS IT WEAK?

IT DEPENDS ON FOR WHOM.

>> CHAD, COULDN'T IT ALSO BE HELPING THE ELDERLY WHO HAVE THEIR MONEY IN A SAVINGS ACCOUNT SO THAT THEY'RE NOW GETTING 4% INTEREST RATES WHERE THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN 20 OR 30 YEARS.

>> AND THE STOCK MARKET IS STRONG AND SO THE RETURNS ON THE 140KS ARE-- 1401K.

>> 3.5%.

THE TARGET IS 2% SO IT'S BETTER THAN IT WAS.

>> OUR NEXT QUESTION.

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT GUN REGULATION EARLIER AND I WAS CURIOUS AS TO WHAT SOME OF THE ECONOMIC IMPLICATIONS ARE TO REGULATING GUNS.

AND IF THOSE ECONOMIC IMPLICATIONS CONTRIBUTE TO WHY WE HAVE DONE SO LITTLE WITH GUN REGULATION.

>> I'M WONDERING IF BEN MIGHT TACKLING.

>> I HEARD ABOUT A THIRD OF THAT.

>> WHAT ARE THE ECONOMIC IMPLICATIONS OF REGULATING GUNS?

>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND I THINK AN ECONOMIST WOULD HAVE A BETTER INFORMED ANSWERS.

>> ANIRBAN DO YOU WANT TO TAKE A SHOT.

>> YOU KNOW, THERE WERE BROADER IMPLICATIONS.

THERE ARE ARTICLES ABOUT RIVERS OF ILLEGAL U.S.

GUNS JUST FLOODING CENTRAL AMERICA AND CREATING MASSIVE LEVELS OF ECONOMIC DESTITUTION AND GANG WARFARE AND SO ON.

ONE CAN SEE AT THAT ANGLE, LIKE IF WE REALLY CONTROL GUNS AND NOT HAVE THESE KIND OF LOOSE GUNS FLOATING AROUND IN LATIN MESH, THEIR ECONOMIES WOULD BE BETTER.

LOOK AT MASS SHOOTINGS AND STUFF OVER TIME.

I DON'T KNOW, MIGHT DISCOURAGE IMMIGRATION TO THE UNITED STATES.

I'M THINKING WITH THE HAT OF AN ECONOMIST.

>> THE OTHER THING I WOULD MENTION IS THE REGULATIONS TEND TO HIT THE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS A LOT HARDER THAN A LOT OF WHERE THESE WEAPONS ARE COMING FROM, BEING UTILIZED, GHOST GUNS.

ALL SORTS OF WEAPONS THAT ARE BEING INTRODUCED INTO THE MARKET DUE TO THE DRUG TRADE, HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND TO HELP REGULATE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT REGULATED.

THEY'RE NOT PAYING TAXES ON THE STUFF AND THEY'RE NOT HAVING-- THE ONLY PROTECTION THEY HAVE IS THEIR OWN PROTECTION.

AND SO THEY UTILIZE THOSE WEAPONS AND THE INFLUX OF DRUGS AND EVERYTHING ELSE COMING INTO THIS COUNTRY, GUNS, THAT'S DEFINITELY ONE OF THEM.

>> I THINK THE OTHER THING WE HAVE TO REMEMBER ALSO IS THAT THE STATES AND AREAS WITH THE HIGHEST GUN REGULATION, THE STRICTEST GUN LAWS ALSO HAPPEN TO BE THE AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE THE HIGHEST CRIMINAL VICTIMIZATION RATES, AND ESPECIALLY IN REGARD TO MINORITIES.

SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMIC IMPLICATIONS, BUT THERE ARE ALSO THE RACIAL IMPLICATIONS, THE SOCIOECONOMIC IMPLICATIONS SUCH THAT CERTAIN PEOPLE ARE BETTER POSITIONED TO USE GUNS IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE SELF-DEFENSE, TO HAVE MEANS OF PROTECTING THEMSELVES; WHEREAS THOSE IN LOW INCOME AREAS, ESPECIALLY BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES ARE MUCH MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO CRIMINAL VICTIMIZATION SO THEY'RE LIKE SITTING DUCKS AND THAT'S ANOTHER BIG PART OF THE CONVERSATION WE GOT TO HAVE.

AND IF I COULD JUST ADD ONE THING.

TOO OFTEN WE TALK ABOUT GUN CONTROL IN TERMS OF IT BEING EITHER OR, EITHER COMPLETELY GETTING RID OF GUNS, WHICH I THINK IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.

OR HAVING COMPLETELY UNFETTERED ACCESS TO IT.

I THINK THE FIX IS SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN.

AND AGAIN, AS I SAID BEFORE, WE START WITH GETTING RID OF HIGH-POWERED HIGH CAPACITY AUTOMATIC GUNS.

>> LET'S GO TO ANOTHER QUESTION.

>> FIRST, THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING HERE.

ABOUT A WEEK AGO, I ASKED PROFESSOR SPARBER IN CLASS WHICH IS MORE IMPORTANT.

INFLATION OR UNEMPLOYMENT.

MY QUESTION REGARDS THE ECONOMY'S SOFT LANDING FOLLOWING THE COVID RECESSION.

WHAT EFFECTIVE POLICIES DID BIDEN IMPLEMENT IN ORDER TO AVOID FURTHER DESTRUCTION OR QUESTION APPRECIATION AS IT RELATES TO UNEMPLOYMENT OR INFLATION.

>> CHAD, I THINK THAT'S YOU.

>> THERE ARE BUT I WANT TO HEAR YOUR OPINIONS ON WHAT SHOULD BE ATTACKED.

UNEMPLOYMENT OR INFLATION SO WHAT DID BIDEN DO TO SORT OF ATTACK UNEMPLOYMENT AND INFLATION IS THE QUESTION.

>> I THINK HE ASKED WHAT DID HE DO TO HELP CREATE A SOFT LANDING.

>> I THINK THAT'S MORE THE FEDERAL RESERVES.

MANDATE TO MAINTAIN SUSTAINABLE UNEMPLOYMENT AND FAIRLY CONSTANT PRICES OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

SOME SAY WAYS I THINK IT WAS A MIRACLE.

IT TOOK EVERYBODY BY SURPRISE THIS SOFT LANDING SEEMS TO HAVE HAPPENED.

>> YEAH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK REGARDING WE TALKED ABOUT THE PSYCHOLOGY OF HOW CITIZENS CONSUME MEDIA.

MY QUESTION WAS WHAT WOULD BE AN ACTUAL VIABLE WAY TO ALTER THIS WAY OF CHOOSING WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE AND ACTUALLY BEING IMPLEMENTED IN THE NATION.

>> LEVERAGING A.I.

TO PULL FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES.

>> WATCH SHOWS LIKE "THE IVORY TOWER" AND SUPPORT PBS.

>> I THINK THE A.I., WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT THAT TODAY.

WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE MEDIA AND WHAT THAT IS GOING TO DO, I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE TRANSFORMATIVE.

>> OKAY, JUST REMEMBER IT HAS TO BE THE MARKET THAT DOES THAT.

GOVERNMENT CANNOT GET INVOLVED IN SPEECH.

WE NEED TO GO TO OUR As AND FS NINA YOUR F. >> TRISH LEDGER, A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE IS IN THE AUDIENCE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ARE GOING TO FEEL ABOUT THIS, TRISH.

STUDENTS AT VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY WILL SOON SEE 100,000 DOLLARS IN TOTAL EXPENSES FOR THE NEXT SCHOOL YEAR.

ACCORDING TO "THE NEW YORK TIMES," MOST PRIVATE COLLEGES WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE HUGE FINANCIAL AID PACKAGES FOR PEOPLE IN ALL INCOMES, BUT WE NEED TO START ASKING, WHERE IS ALL OF THIS MONEY GOING AND IS IT GOING TO GOOD CAUSES.

>> TR OF IS THERE WILL MIAMI-- MY F GOES TO THE-- FELLOW REPUBLICANS FINALLY QUALING THEM OUT PUBLICLY.

THOSE FOLKS CONTINUE TO HELP THE RUSSIANS.

WE MAY SOON GET A LONG DELAYED VOTE TO PROVIDE MORE ASSISTANCE BUT IF THE UKRAINIANS LOSE, THIS WORLD WILL BE FAR MORE DANGEROUS AND BLAME PUTIN'S PATSIES IF THAT HAPPENS.

>> ANIRBAN.

>> MY F GOES TO SIX FORMER DEPUTIES OF THE RANKING COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT IN MISSISSIPPI.

ALL OF THEM WHITE MEN WHO ACTUALLY CALL THEMSELVES GOON SQUADS AND VIOLENTLY ATTACKED AND SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BLACK MEN SINCE 21.

ALL OF THESE UNSPEAKABLE BRUTALITY CARRIED ON BY WHITE OFFICERS ON BLACK BODIES WERE DONE FOR PURE PLEASURE AND NOW THEY'RE BEING SENTENCED TO ONE OF THE OF THE LONGEST SENTENCES IN THE U.S. FROM 10 TO 40 YEARS.

132 YEARS ON TOTAL.

THAT'S FOR THE GOON SQUAD.

>> BEN.

>> MY F IS GOING TO GO TO TWO MEN IN NEVADA.

THEY WERE SEEN THIS PAST SATURDAY PUSHING DOWN AN OLD ROCK FORMATION THAT WAS 140 MILLION YEARS OLD IN FRONT OF A YOUNG GIRL, PROBABLY ONE OF THE SUSPECTS DAUGHTER'S.

AND THEY'RE STILL AT LARGE.

>> AND CHAD, YOUR F. >> MY F WAS THE SAME AS HIS.

WE AT PBSZ LIKE OUR NATIONAL PARKS AND NATIONAL RECREATION AREAS.

SO, YEAH, IT IS SAD TO SEE PEOPLE DESTROYING OUR NATURAL TREASURES FOR NO PURPOSE AT ALL.

>> GREAT MINDS.

>> YEAH.

>> NOW IT'S TIME FOR AS, SPEAKING OF GREAT MINDS.

NINA.

>> OKAY.

I'M GIVING AN A TO THE FATHER OF THE SYRACUSE OFFICER MICHAEL JENSEN WHO WAS KILLED ON SUNDAY IN THE INCIDENT WE TALKED ABOUT.

SYRACUSE.COM REPORTED WHEN THE HEAD CHAPLAIN FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ARRIVED AT THE HOSPITAL SHORTLY AFTER HIS SON HAD DIED, HE ASKED Mr. JENSEN WHAT HE WOULD LIKE FOR THE CHAPLAIN TO PRAY FOR.

THE FATHER REPLIED THAT HE SHOULD PRAY FOR OFFICER JENSEN'S BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN BLUE AND FOR THEIR SAFETY AS SHOULD WE ALL.

>> TY, YOUR A.

>> MY A GOES TO THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE.

STATE IS WORKING AROUND THE CLOCK IN DANGEROUS AREAS ALL OVER THE WORLD, MAXIMIZING DIPLOMA AND NOT WAR.

THE UNITED STATES HAS ONLY 8,000 CAREER FOREIGN SERVICE OFFICERS, SMALLER THAN LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THERE ARE FEWER FOREIGN SERVICE OFFICERS THAN THERE ARE PEOPLE PLAYING IN MILITARY BANDS.

I WANT A SHOUT OUT TO THOSE IN COATS AND TIES MAKING THE WORLD SAFER.

>> ANIRBAN, YOUR A.

>> MY A GOES TO TWO AMERICAN DOCTORS WHO JUST RETURNED AFTER TWO WEEKS OF SPENDING THEIR TIME IN THE EUROPEAN HOSPITAL IN GAZA.

Dr. SIDHWA AND Dr. PERMUTTER, AS SURGEON WE HAVE NEVER SEEN CRULTD LIKE ISRAEL'S GENOCIDE IN GAZA.

GO READ IT.

>> PEN, YOUR A.

>> TO THE U.S. OF INTELLIGENCE APPLIED INTELLIGENCE AND A GLOBAL RESPONSE IN REAL TIME TO HELP PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF ISRAEL.

THIS INCLUDED THE NATION'S THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN ADDITION TO SAUDI ARABIA, WHO HAS SOFT PEDDLED THEIR RESPONSE BUT THEY WERE ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN SHOOTING THINGS GOING ACROSS THEIR LAND TOWARDS ISRAEL, IN ADDITION TO POINTING OUT THAT IRAN WAS THE REASON AND THIS SUPPORTS WHAT HAD HAPPENED LEADING UP TO THE ATTACK THAT HAPPENED ON OCTOBER 7.

>> CHAD.

>> TOMORROW, SATURDAY, IS RECORD STORE DAY.

IT'S A DAY IN WHICH MUSICIANS DEBUT HUNDREDS OF EXCLUSIVE LIMITED RUN AND FIRST RELEASED VINYL ALBUMS INDEPENDENTLY OWNED BRICK AND MORTAR RECORD STORES INCLUDING OUR OWN SOUND GARDEN IN ARMORY SQUARE WITH BEATLES FOR BOOMERS, AND ALL KINDS OF MUSIC, SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY.

VISIT SOUND GARDEN TOMORROW.

SATURDAY, ARE YOU GOING?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I'LL SEE YOU THERE.

>> I DIDN'T HEAR ARETHA FRANKLIN IN THERE.

>> THERE IS SOME SISTER ROW SETA PARK.

>> I THINK YOU GAVE THAT AN A LAST YEAR, TOO.

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