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>> ERIC: IT'S A FULL HOUR.

WE'LL LOOK AT THE SENTENCING TODAY OF KIMBERLY POTTER, REMEMBER THE LATE CONGRESSMAN JIM HAGEDORN, AND DAVID GILLETTE WILL HAVE AN UPDATE ON COPPER NICKEL MINING.

THEN MARY LAHAMMER LOOKS AT WHAT SHAKE-UPS REDISTRICTING MIGHT BRING TO THE STATE CAPITOL.

>> Mary: NOW THAT POLITICAL INCIDERS HAVE HAD A FEW DAYS TO ABSORB THE NEW CONGRESSIONAL AND LEGISLATIVE MAPS, WE'LL ANALYZE T ALL.

>> MEMBERS ARE CERTAINLY VERY EXCITED.

>> I WAS VERY EXCITED.

>> Mary: THAT'S COMING UP ON "ALMANAC."

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>> ERIC: IN THE NEXT HOUR, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE LATE JIM HAGEDORN, REDISTRICTING, AND COPPER NICKEL MINING.

BUT WE BEGIN WITH THE SENTENCING TODAY OF FORMER BROOKLYN CENTER POLICE OFFICER KIMBERLY POTTER.

>> CATHY: THIS MORNING, KIMBERLY POTTER WAS SENTENCED TO TWO YEARS FOR KILLING DAUNTE WRIGHT DURING A TRAFFIC STOP LAST APRIL.

POTTER'S SENTENCE WAS A DOWNWARD DEPARTURE FROM THE RECOMMENDED STATE SENTENCING GUIDELINES.

HERE'S SOME OF WHAT WAS SAID IN COURT BEFORE THE SENTENCING, AND THEN JUDGE REGINA CHU EXPLAINED HER REASONING.

>> I'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO FORGIVE YOU FOR WHAT WHAT YOU'VE STOLEN FROM.

I HOPE YOU'RE LISTENING AND DON'T MISTAKE ANY OF MY WORDS, BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD THE DEFENDANT TO MAKE ANY MORE MISTAKES.

>> TO THE FAMILY OF DAUNTE WRIGHT, I AM SO SORRY.

AND I DO PRAY THAT ONE DAY YOU CAN FIND FORGIVENESS.

>> KIMBERLY POTTER DID NOT ABUSE HER POSITION OF AUTHORITY.

THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT MS. POTTER IS EXTREMELY REMORSEFUL.

YOU SHALL BE COMMITTED TO THE CUSTODY OF THE COMMISSIONER OF CORRECTIONS FOR A PERIOD OF 24 MONTHS.

I RECOGNIZE THERE WILL BE THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH THIS SENTENCE.

THAT I GRANTED A SIGNIFICANT DOWNWARD DEPARTURE DOES NOT IN ANY WAY DIMINISH DAUNTE WRIGHT'S LIFE.

ADVERTISE LIFE MATTERED.

>> THEY FEEL VERY DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS NO REASON TO HAVE SUCH CONSIDERATION FOR THE KILLER OF THEIR CHILD.

>> I WALK OUT OF THIS COURTHOUSE FEELING LIKE PEOPLE ARE LAUGHING AT US BECAUSE THIS LADY GOT A SLAP ON THE WRIST, AND WE STILL EVERY NIGHT SITTING AROUND CRYING, WAITING ON MY SON TO COME HOME.

>> CATHY: WE'RE GOING TO GET SEVERAL PERSPECTIVES ON THE POTTER VERDICT.

IN A FEW MINUTES, WE'LL HEAR LEGAL ANALYSIS FROM ATTORNEY SHANNON PRINCE.

BUT FIRST, AMY FORILITI WILL TALK HAS WHAT HAPPENED IN THE COURTROOM TODAY.

FORLITI COVERED THE POTTER TRIAL FOR "THE ASSOCIATED PRESS."

AMY, THAT WAS AN EMOTIONAL SENTENCING.

YOU HAD DAUNTE WRIGHT'S MOM CRYING AND KIM POTTER IS CRYING, THE JUDGE CHOKED UP.

WHAT DID YOU DESERVE?

>> WELL, YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE WAS DEFINITELY A LOT OF EMOTION AT THE SENTENCING HEARING.

NOT ONLY DID DAUNTE WRIGHT'S MOTHER CRY, BUT HIS OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS DID AS WELL.

SHE SAID HE WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO FORGIVE KIM POTTER FOR WHAT SHE DID.

KIM POTTER WAS REMORSEFUL AND I THINK THE JUDGE'S EMOTION SHOCKED PEOPLE THE MOST.

AND THE JUDGE SEEMED TO HAVE A LOT OF EMPATHY OR KIM POTTER.

AND SHE GOT SOME CRITICISM FOR THAT BECAUSE SHE ONLY MADE A BRIEF STATEMENT ACKNOWLEDGING THE DAUNTE WRIGHT'S FAMILY, AND SO SHE'S BEEN CRITICIZED FOR SOME OF THE THINGS SHE SAID ON THE BENCH TODAY.

>> Eric: YEAH, THE QUALITY OR THE LEVEL OF OFFICER POTTER'S REMORSE, THAT SEEMED TO BE A REAL THREAD TODAY THAT WEAVED THROUGH THE PROCEEDINGS.

>> RIGHT.

KATIE WRIGHT, THE MOTHER OF DAUNTE WRIGHT, DIDN'T BELIEVE IT.

AND SOME OF THE OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS DIDN'T EITHER.

THEY SAID THAT THIS WAS NOT TRUE REMORSE.

AND THE JUDGE DISAGREED AND SAID SHE WAS VERY REMORSEFUL.

SHE DID NOT MEAN TO DO THIS.

THE JUDGE SAID THAT THERE WAS NO DISPUTE THAT SHE INTENDED TO DRAW HER TASER INSTEAD OF HER FIREARM.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THE FAMILY MEMBERS POINTED TO WAS THIS MUG SHOT THAT -- OF KIM POTTER THAT WAS TAKEN RIGHT AFTER THE GUILTY VERDICT, AND WHAT SHE'S SMILING AND SHE HAS A HUGE GRIN ON HER FACE.

AND THEY SAID HOW CAN YOU BE SMILING LIKE THAT?

AND PAUL ENG, KIM POTTERS'S ATTORNEY, EXPLAINED TODAY, WELL, SHE ONLY SMILED BECAUSE SHE WAS TOLD BY PRISON OFFICIALS THAT TOOK THE PHOTO.

BUT STILL, THAT DID NOT GO OVER WELL WITH THE FAMILY.

>> Cathy: THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF SURPRISE THAT THE JUDGE DID TAKE THAT DRMPED DEPARTURE, A SIGNIFICANT DOWNWARD DEPARTURE AS THE JUDGE SAID.

THE PROSECUTION WAS ASKING FOR, WHAT, SIX YEARS, EVEN YEARS?

>> YEAH, THE PROSECUTION ASKED FOR THE PRESUMPTIVE SENTENCE WHICH WAS SEVEN YEARS.

THEY SAID THAT WOULD BE PROPER.

BUT THE JUDGE SAID THAT THERE WERE MITIGATING FACTORS THAT WARRANTED GOING BELOW THE GUIDELINE RANGE.

AND MONG THEM SHE SAID THIS WAS A SPLIT-SECOND DECISION.

IT WAS A CHAOTIC ENVIRONMENT.

SHE SAID THAT KIM POTTER SHOWED REMORSE AND SHE SAID THAT THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS INTENDED AND SHE SAID THAT BECAUSE OF THAT IT WAS LESS SERIOUS THAN OTHER FIRST-DEGREE MANSLAUGHTER CASES AND THAT WARRANTED IT.

>> Eric: HAVE YOU SEEN, AMY, IN YOUR REAR OF COVERING COURTS, THE NUMBER OF LETTERS AND CARDS FROM STRANGERS THAT FORMER OFFICER POTTER GOT?

PAUL ENG BROUGHT OUT A WHOLE BIG BOX OF THEM.

>> HE DID, AND HE SAID THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF CARDS IN THAT BOX.

I HAVE NOT SEEN A DISPLAY LIKE THAT IN COURT MYSELF.

NOT TO SAY THAT THAT HASN'T HAPPENED.

BUT, YEAH, IT'S -- SHE DEFINITELY HAS SUPPORT OUT THERE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE SYMPATHIZED WITH THE SITUATION SHE WAS IN.

AND THOUGHT THAT SHE DID MAKE A MISTAKE.

AND SHE DEFINITELY HAS SUPPORT OUT THERE.

BUT AS FAMILY MEMBERS SAID AFTER WARD, THIS KIND OF SHOWS A SYSTEM OF TWO DIFFERENT JUSTICE SYSTEMS.

ONE FOR BLACK PEOPLE AND ONE FOR WHITE PEOPLE.

>> Cathy: TALK ABOUT THAT WITH OUR NEXT GUEST.

CHRISFORLITI AMY FORLITI, THANKS SO MUCH.

>> THURSDAY AND NOW WE WILL GET THE PERSPECTIVE OF SHANNON PRINCE.

SHE'S AN ATTORNEY IN PRIVATE PRACTICE IN NEW YORK CITY, WHO HAS JOINED US MANY TIMES IN THE PAST TWO YEARS TO TALK ABOUT POLICE TRIALS.

GOO TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THE VERDICT?

- I'M SORRY, WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THE SENTENCING?

>> WELL, I THINK THAT THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE SENTENCE IS FAIR HAS TO BE CONSIDERED FROM THE FACT THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE PERSPECTIVES OF WHAT AIM JUSTICE IS MEANT TO SERVE AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT JUDGE CHU RAISED.

SHE SAID, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF JUSTICE IS INCAPACITATION.

ONE IS REHABILITATION.

AND SOMEONE MAY AGREE THAT SOMEONE WHO ACTED ACCIDENTALLY IS IN NEED OF INCAPACITATION OR REHABILITATION.

BUT SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE IF A ENTENCE IS FAIR IS WHETHER OR NOT THAT SENTENCE IS CONSISTENT.

AND WE CAN LOOK, FOR EXAMPLE, AT THE FACT THAT KIM POTTER'S TOP CHARGE WAS FIRST-DEGREE MANSLAUGHTER.

AND HER SENTENCE WAS 24 MONTHS.

WHILE, EX--MOHAMED NOOR WHO'S BLACK WHO ACCIDENTALLY KILLED A WHITE WOMAN IN MINNEAPOLIS IN 2017 WAS ULTIMATELY CONVICTED ON A LESSOR CHARGE THAN KIM POTTER ON SECOND-DEGREE MANSLAUGHTER, YET HIS CHARGE WAS -- HIS SENTENCE WAS 57 MONTHS.

AND SO LOOKING AT THAT DISCREPANCY, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT SOME PEOPLE COULD FEEL THAT IT'S NOT FAIR, THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE FACT THAT BLACK PEOPLE WHO KILL WHITE PEOPLE HAVE HARSHER SENTENCES THAN WHITE PEOPLE WHO KILL BLACK PEOPLE.

>> Eric: IN ESSENCE DID THE JUDGE KIND OF NULLIFY THE JURY VERDICT?

>> WELL, IN SOME WAYS SHE USED HER DISCRETION TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THIS IS A DIFFERENT PERSON THAN SOMEONE LIKE DEREK CHAUVIN.

THIS IS SOMEONE WHO MADE AN ACT IN THE HEAT OF MOMENT AS OPPOSED TO SOMEONE WHO HAD AMPLE TIME TO CONSIDER HIS ACTIONS, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THE CHARGE ITSELF S BASED ON CULPABLE NEGLIGENCE, NOT DELIBERATE MALICE, AND SO THE JURY HAD ALREADY TAKEN THAT INTO ACCOUNT, AND SOMEONE MAY FEEL THAT THAT MEANS THAT SHE DESERVED THE PRUMENTTIVE SENTENCE INSTEAD OF A DOWNWARD DEPARTURE.

>> Cathy: WHEN KIM POTTER WAS QIBTED, WE HAD YOU ON THE AIR, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER THIS OFFERS HOPE FOR A NEW ERR AREA OF POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY.

GIVEN THE SENTENCE, DO YOU THINK THAT'S STILL TRUE?

>> SO IT DOES OFFER SOME ACCOUNTABILITY.

SHE IS GOING TO SEE PRISON TIME.

IT DOES HAVE A DETERRING FACTOR.

NO ONE WANTS TO GO TO PRISON.

AND THIS DOES SHOW THAT EVEN IF YOU MAKE AN ACCIDENTAL MOVE THAT COSTS SOMETHING COSTS SOMEONE A LIFE AND THAT PERSON IS BLACK, BUT YOU STILL CAN GET A PRISON SENTENCE.

BUT WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES, IS IT ENOUGH OF A DETERRENT?

WOULD A SENTENCE THAT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE RECOMMENDED SENTENCING GUIDELINES BE MORE OF A DETERRENT?

WOULD IT HAVE KEPT PEOPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, FROM MAKING MISTAKES THAT KIM POTTER MADE SUCH AS NOT REGULARLY CHECKING HER TASER AS SHE WAS REQUIRED TO DO WHICH WOULD HAVE MADE HER MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE FEEL OF IT AND PERHAPS PREVENTED HER FROM MISTAKING IT FOR HER GUN?

AND SO WHILE THIS SENTENCE DOES SEND A MESSAGE, THE QUESTION REMAINS, IS THAT MESSAGE STRONG ENOUGH?

>> Eric: ALONG THOSE LINES, LET ME READ A TWEET TO YOU.

IT SAYS "KIDS GO TO PRISON FOR DIME BAGS LONGER THAN KIM POTTER WILL SERVE FOR KILLING DAUNTE WRIGHT.

A DIME BAG IS A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF, SAY, MARIJUANA.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF HAT FEELING?

>> SO I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE THE TWEETER IS COMING FROM AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE REASONS THAT JUDGE CHU GAVE FOR HER DRAWWARD DEPARTURE.

SHE SAID THAT THIS WAS AN ACCIDENT, KIM POTTER DIDN'T HAVE ANY ANIMUS TOWARD DAUNTE WRIGHT.

AND I SAID EARLIER, SOMEONE COULD SYMPATHIZE AND SAY THAT THIS HAPPENED IN THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT, ANOTHER PERSON COULD SAY THIS WAS UNFAIR BECAUSE POLICE ARE EXPECTED TO BE COMPETENT IN CHAOS.

YOU KNOW, I SAID EARLIER THAT FROM ONE PERSPECTIVE, YOU COULD SAY THIS WAS AN ACCIDENT, SO THERE SHOULD BE A DOWNWARD DEPARTURE, BUT YOU COULD SAY THAT THE CHARGE ITSELF TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THAT IT WAS AN ACCIDENT SO YOU SHOULD GO WERE THE SENTENCING GUIDELINES.

AND THEN THE ELEMENT OF ANIMOSITY IS A DIFFERENT FACTOR ALG TOGETHER.

WHILE IT'S PROBABLY TRUE THAT KIM POTTER DIDN'T BEAR ANY ILL WILL TOWARDS DAUNTE WRIGHT AS AN INDIVIDUAL, WE KNOW THAT THIS INCIDENT BEGAN WITH A PRETEXTAL TRAFFIC STOP, SOMETHING THAT BLACK PEOPLE DISPROPORTIONATELY ARE SUBJECT TO.

SO WHILE SHE PROBABLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY ANIMOSITY TOWARDS HIM AS AN INDIVIDUAL, BIAS MAY HAVE PLAYED A ROLE AND THAT COMPLICATES THE QUESTION.

ALL THESE ELEMENTS PLAY A FACTOR IN ANY SENTENCING, AND SO WHEN WE CHAIR IT TO THE SENTENCES THAT PEOPLE GET SENATOR NON-VIOLENT DRUG OFFENSESES, ALL WE CAN DO IS LOOK IF HE REASONS THE JUMPING MADE AND EVALUATE WHETHER THOSE REASONS ARE FAIR.

>> Eric: JUST 30 SECONDS LEFT.

ANY GROUNDS FOR APPEAL?

>> SO IF KIM POTTER WERE TO APPEAL, SHE WOULD BE APPEALING FOR AN EVEN LIGHTER SENTENCE.

I THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY UNLIKELY.

HOWEVER, IF THE SOCIETY WANTS A HARSHER SENTENCE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COULD BRING CHARGES, JUST AS BOTH THE FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENTS BROUGHT DIFFERENT SETS OF CHARGES AGAINST THE OFFICERS INVOLVED?

FLOYD FLOYD'S DEALT DEATH.

>> Cathy: ALL RIGHT, MS.

PRINCE, THANK YOU AGAIN.

WE APPRECIATE SO MUCH YOUR TIME.

♪ ♪ >> ERIC: ON THE SAME DAY THREE OFFICERS WERE IN FEDERAL COURT IN ST. PAUL CHARGED WITH VIOLATING GEORGE FLOYD'’S CIVIL RIGHTS, A FUNERAL WAS HELD IN MINNEAPOLIS FOR AMIR LOCKE.

LOCKE WAS KILLED BY A MINNEAPOLIS POLICE OFFICER TWO WEEKS AGO DURING A NO-KNOCK RAID IN A DOWNTOWN APARTMENT.

LOCKE'S FUNERAL WAS AT SHILOH TEMPLE INTERNATIONAL MINISTRIES, THE SAME CHURCH WHERE DAUNTE WRIGHT WAS BURIED LAST YEAR.

REVEREND AL SHARPTON DELIVERED A EULOGY, AS HE HAD FOR WRIGHT AND FOR GEORGE FLOYD.

AND AS IN PREVIOUS FUNERALS, AMIR LOCKE'S FAMILY REMEMBERED A LOVING SON.

>> WE NAME THE SUSPECTS.

WHEN WE WALK IN DEPARTMENT STORES.

WE'RE NOT CUSTOMERS.

WE'RE NAMELESS SUSPECTS.

WHEN WE GO IN RESTAURANTS.

TO FEED OUR FAMILIES.

WE'RE NOT PATRONS.

WE'RE NAMELESS SUSPECTS.

WHEN THEY GOT TO AMIR'S DOOR ON THE NIGHT, THEY DIDN'T CHECK THE -- IT DON'T MATTER.

IT'S A BLACK MAN'S HOUSE.

HE'S A NAMELESS SUSPECT.

>> THOSE THUGS THAT REPRESENT THE MINNEAPOLIS POLICE DEPARTMENT EXECUTED MY BABY BOY, BEAUTIFUL BABY BOY.

IN LESS THAN NINE SECONDS.

HOW DARE YOU.

YOU'RE NOT BOF THE LAW.

YOU'RE NOT ABOVE THE LAW.

YOU'RE NOT ABOVE A HIGHER POWER THAT WE WORSHIP.

I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU WORRY WORSHIP.

BUT I NOW WHO I WORSHIP.

>> THEY WERE SO SURPRISED WHEN THEY UNVEILED THAT SHEET, WHEN THEY PULLED THAT COVER BACK.

THEY KNEW HEY MESSED UP.

I STAND HERE TODAY AS A ATHER THAT'S TORN.

A FATHER THAT'S HURT.

A FATHER THAT LOVED.

A FATHER THAT BELIEVED.

A FATHER -- I CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THAT THERE HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT GOD WANTED AMIR FOR.

♪ ♪ >> CATHY: NEWS ARRIVED THIS MORNING OF THE PASSING OF FIRST DISTRICT CONGRESSMAN JIM HAGEDORN AFTER A LONG BATTLE WITH CANCER.

THIS MEANS A SPECIAL ELECTION TO REPLACE HIM.

MARY LAHAMMER SPOKE WITH THE CURRENT REPUBLICAN PARTY CHAIR ABOUT HAGEDORN'’S LEGACY AND THE QUICKLY UNFOLDING LOGISTICS OF REPLACING HIM.

>> Mary: CHAIR HANN, LET'S TALK ABOUT LO LOGISTICS FIRST OF ALL.

WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT DATES AND PROCEDURES NOW GOING FORWARD IN C.D.-1.

>> THE GOVERNOR WILL CALL A SPECIAL ELECTION WITHIN THE NEXT TWO, THREE, FOUR DAYS, I'M NOT QUITE SURE, BUT SOON.

AND OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT SPECIAL ELECTION WILL OCCUR ON THE PRIMARY ELECTION DATE WHICH IS AUGUST 9TH, I BELIEVE.

AND THERE ARE ALSO PROVISIONS IN LAW THAT SAY F THERE IS A NEED OR A SPECIAL PRIMARY, THAT WOULD OCCUR 11 WEEKS BEFORE THAT, WHICH MAKES IT MAY 24TH AND THAT'S RIGHT AT THE END OF THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

IT'S, WHAT, TWO WEEKS AFTER OUR STATE CONVENTION.

>> Mary: AND SO A PARTY CONVENTION IS THE QUICKEST THING -- >> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASSUMING THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE THE CASE, BUT THAT IS COMPLY ATED BY THE FACT THAT THE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT OESN'T EXPITSZ AFTER THE REDISTRICTING MAPS CAME OUT.

THE OLD SENATE DISTRICT OR THE OLD CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT IS DEUFUNCT.

THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE THIS IS A COMPLETION OF CONGRESSMAN HAGEDORN'S TERM AND BECAUSE HE WAS ELECTED IN THE OLD CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, THEN IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT THE REPLACEMENT WOULD HAVE TO ALSO COME FROM THAT SAME POLITICAL ENTITY, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T TECHNICALLY EXIST.

>> Mary: AS PARTY CHAIR WOULD YOU LIKE THE SAME CANDIDATE FOR THE SPECIAL ELECTION AND THE GENERAL ELECTION?

>> WELL, THAT'S KIND OF NOT UP TO ME.

IT'S UP TO WHOEVER THE CANDIDATES ARE.

BUT PRESUMABLERY IF SOMEONE WINS A SPECIAL ELECTION TO COMPLETE CONGRESSMAN HAGEDORN'S TERM IN AUGUST, IT WOULD BE LOGICAL TO ASSUME THAT SAME PERSON WOULD ALSO RUN AGAIN IN NOVEMBER IN THE NEW CONGRESSIONAL -- >> Mary: AND IF YOU WERE SPENDING MONEY AND NAME I.D., YOU'D PRESUMABLY LIKE TOO HAVE THE SAME CANDIDATE?

>> THE REAL QUESTION IS, WOULD THERE BE ANYBODY WHO WOULD BE PREENED TO MOUNT A CAMPAIGN AGAINST SOMEONE WHO JUST WON A CAMPAIGN IN ESSENTIALLY THE SAME GEOGRAPHICCAL AREA.

>> Mary: ANY NAMES YOU CAN DIVULGE JET?

>> THIS HAPPENED SO SUDDENLY, REALLY.

WE HAD ALL KNOWN THAT CONGRESSMAN HAGEDORN WERE STRUGGLING WITH A SERIOUS DISEASE AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT MOST PEOPLE ARE THINKING ABOUT.

EVERYBODY KNOWS THE WORLD GOES ON AND THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE THINGS THAT HAPPEN.

BUT -- AND THERE'S BEEN I KNOW LOTS OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT, WELL, MAYBE IT'S THIS PERSON OR THAT.

BUT I'VE NOT HEARD FROM ANYBODY WHO SAYS, WELL, I'M GOING TO DO THIS.

AND I THINK IT'S A LITTLE EARLY.

>> Mary: HAVE YOU TALKED TO HIS WIDOW, JENNIFER CARNAHAN?

>> I HAVE NOT.

I HAVE MET HER A FEW TIME BUT I HAVE NOT TALKED TO HER.

>> Mary: AND OF COURSE THERE ARE ALREADY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PARTY'S ABILITY TO HANDLE THIS PROCESS WHEN YOU YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW TO HANDLE CAULK YOU.

WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAY ABOUT THE VOTING QUESTIONS GOING ON WITHIN YOUR PARTY?

>> I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS IN ANY CAUCUS AND ESPECIALLY A REDISTRICTING YEAR, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE PROBLEMS.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOUSANDS OF VOLUNTEERS AND TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PARTICIPATANTS IN A SHORT TIME FRAME TO PROCESS ALL THESE THINGS AND THERE ARE HUMAN ERRORS THAT GET MADE.

AND THERE IS BEEN A FEW HUMAN ERRORS.

BUT -- >> Mary: AND EVEN CRIMINAL, IS THERE -- THERE'S NOTHING TO INVOLVE LAW ENFORCEMENT IN ANY LEVEL OF THAT?

>> I FRANKLY THINK THAT'S JUST RIDICULOUS.

I MEAN, IT'S A CAMPAIGN STUNT, IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE THERE IS NO -- THIS IS AN INTERNAL PARTY PROCESS.

IT REALLY REVOLVES AROUND FRANKLY A DISPUTE BETWEEN A CAMPAIGN AND A POLITICAL UNIT ABOUT WHO IS THE DELEGATE OR WHO ARE THE WHATEVER NUMBER TEN DELEGATES THAT ARE IN QUESTION.

I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY.

AND THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE RESOLVED AT A CREDENTIAL PROCESS AT THE CONVENTION WHEN IT IS CALLED.

>> THIS IS THE BEST PART OF BEING BACK.

HOW YOU BEEN?

>> Mary: LET'S COME BACK TO JIM HAGEDORN AND TELL ME YOUR REFLECTIONS.

>> FIRST OF ALL, HE WAS A DIFFERENT, AND I'VE KNOWN HIM FOR YEARS, ET HIM BEFORE HE WAS A CONGRESSMAN.

WHEN I WAS IN THE SENATE, DID A LOT OF TRAVELING AROUND THE STATE AND EVENING DURING THAT TIME WHEN I RAN FOR GOVERNOR ONE YEAR, WE MET UP AT A LOT OF MEETINGS DOWN IN SOUTHERN MINNESOTA.

HE WAS A VERY GRACIOUS GUY, GENTLEMAN, VERY WELL LIKED BY THE PEOPLE.

VERY DEEP ROOTS IN THE FIRST DISTRICT.

AND JUST HAD A HEART FOR SERVICE, SERVING HIS COUNTRY, SERVING THE PEOPLE OF THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.

AND KNEW IT VERY WELL.

AND I THINK HE DID JUST AN ADMIRABLE JOB.

>> CAN I COUNT ON YOUR VOTE NOVEMBER 6TH?

>> I THINK YOU CAN.

♪ ♪ >> Mary: YOU MADE SOME NEWS AND?

SOME WAVES REALLY BY BEING OPEN ON SOME CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM ISSUES AND YOU REACHED ACROSS THE AISLE.

>> I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE IS FRONT AND CENTER IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.

WE DON'T LIKE TALKING ABOUT IT.

WE'VE GROWN A LITTLE BIT TIRED OF IT.

BUT IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND WHAT I SAID ON THE HOUSE FLOOR WAS JUST REALLY SIMPLY WAS LISTEN PEOPLE FROM RURAL MINNESOTA WHERE I LIVE DON'T TRUST GOING INTO THE TWIN CITIES.

THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE TWIN CITIES THAT DON'T TRUST LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THE COMMON THREAD IN ALL THAT IS IS THERE IS NOT TRUST.

THERE IS NOT RESPECT.

WE HAVE A PROBLEM HERE.

I YELLED AT BOTH SIDES.

AND SAID YOU'RE BOTH TO BLAME.

I SAID I'M GOING INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD.

WHO'S GOING TO JOIN ME?

THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE, NOT ENOUGH, BUT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP PRESSING THIS.

♪ ♪ >> ERIC: RECENTLY THE MINNESOTA HUMANITIES CENTER WAS HONORED NATIONALLY FOR ITS SERIES OF COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS IN THE WAKE OF THE MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD.

THE HUMANITIES CENTER HAS A NEW SERIES OF EVENTS IN HONOR OF BLACK HISTORY MONTH.

THE THREE EVENTS FOCUS ON BLACK ART, MUSIC, AND CUISINE.

HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE EVENTS AND HOW YOU CAN GET INVOLVED, ROSE MCGEE IS WITH THE HUMANITIES CENTER.

MS. MCGEE, DID THE HUMANITIES CENTER FORECAST CHANGE AFTER THE GEORGE FLOYD MURDER?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, YES.

IT DID.

HOWEVER, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THIS IS -- THE HUMANITIES CENTER'S 50TH ANNIVERSARY AND EVEN SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE HUMANITIES HERE IN MINNESOTA, CONNECTION WITH COMMUNITY IS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST AS WE'VE BEEN LISTENING ALREADY, THERE'S SO MUCH PAIN, SO MUCH TENSION THAT'S GOING ON IN OUR COMMUNITIES AND WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT.

SO IN 2020, AFTER THE MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD, THAT'S WHAT WE DID.

WE STEPPED INTO THE MOMENT.

AND THAT'S WHEN WE DID COME UP WITH THE SERIES, "HOW CAN WE BREATHE," AND RIGHT AFTER THAT, WE DIDN'T STOP.

WE WENT ON WITH "RIGHT ON RACE."

BUT NOW, GIVEN EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING, IT JUST FEELS LIKE IT'S TIME TO REALLY KIND OF HIGHLIGHT, WHAT IS IT THAT SUSTAINS BLACK PEOPLE THROUGH ALL OF THIS?

SO THE EVENTS THAT ARE COMING UP NOW ARE UPLIFTING.

THEY JUST SORT OF HELP TO AMPLIFY THE HOPE, WHAT THAT'S LIKE, HOW IS HOPE ACTUALIZED.

AND WHAT'S THE STRENGTH?

AND WHAT S BLOCK EXCELLENCE?

AND WHAT IS BLACK EXCELLENCE?

>> Cathy: I ANT TO ASK YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ONE OF THE EVENTS, "FEEDING OUR SOUL" WHICH I KNOW IS CLOSE TO YOUR HEART BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT BEAUTIFUL SWEET POTATO PIE EFFORT WHICH I LOVE.

TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

>> FOOD.

[ Laughter ] FOOD HAS A WAY OF CONNECTING COMMUNITIES.

IT ALWAYS HAS.

AND WE JUST FELT IT WAS TIME TO REALLY BRING THAT INTO THE REALITY OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO THAT PARTICULAR EVENT IS CALLED "FEEDING OUR SOULS: THE ESSENCE OF BLACK JOY."

SO WE VENTURED UP TO ST. JOSEPH, MINNESOTA, AND SPENT SOME TIME WITH CHEF MATEO MCVIE, WHO HAS THIS RICH HISTORY OF CREOLE FOODS, THEN WE SPENT SOME TIME WITH CHEF CHERYL CUNNINGHAM, BUT SHE BRINGS IT FROM A DIFFERENT SLANT, FROM A HEALTHIER SLANT.

BUT THEN WE'VE GOT THE HISTORY HERE THAT WE FOCUS ON LISTENING TO MR. ANTHONY SCOTT AND DR. SHAWNDA SCOTT WHO ARE AUTHORS OF A BOOK CALLED "BLACKS IN MINNESOTA IN THE 21ST CENTURY."

AND LISTENING TO THE MOTHER AND SON, COMMISSIONER TONY CARTER AND HER SON, ANTHONY, ANTHONY, THAT'S HER SON-IN-LAW, HER SON MELVIN.

AND LISTENING TO UPLIFTING MUSIC FROM MS. GINGER COM DOCTOR.

WE ALSO BROUGHT YOUNG PEOPLE INTO THIS TOO.

SO THE MINNESOTA TEEN ACTIVISTS WILL BE INVOLVED.

>> Cathy: WOW, THAT'S QUITE AN EVENT.

I SEE YOU HAVE UR FRIEND TIKUMBA AITKIN, HE'S A GREAT ARTIST, HE'S LIKE THE MAYOR OF LOWERTOWN HERE IN ST. PAUL.

SO I'M GLAD HE'S INVOLVED IN THIS.

>> YES, HE S, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THESE LEGENDS, SUCH AS TIKUMBA AITKIN AND THOMASINA PETRU.

KEVIN LINDSAY WILL BE HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THEM AS THEY GO THROUGH WHAT THEY DO, WHY THEY DO -- AND IT'S GOING TO BE AWESOME SO EVERYBODY NEEDS TO COME.

>> Eric: YEAH HOW DO FOLKS GET INVOLVED?

GIVE US SOME OF THE LOGISTICS.

>> WELL, ON MONDAY NIGHT, THAT'S THE THOMASINA PETRUS EVENING RIGHT HERE IN ST. PAUL.

BUT IF YOU GO TO OUR WEBSITE, MINNESOTAHUMANTYS.ORG, YOU CAN FIND ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO KNOW.

EVERYTHING IS FREE.

AND ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT, THAT'S THE EVENING THAT KEVIN WILL SPEND SOME TIME WITH TIKUMBA AITKIN.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALL OF THESE COMMUNITY PARTNERS THAT HAVE BEEN HELPING TO PULL THIS TOGETHER.

WE COULDN'T JUST DO IT ON OUR OWN.

SO O.M.G., WHICH IS RUN BY OR PRODUCED BY MS. MONIQUE LYNDER IS HELPING TO PULL THESE WONDERFUL PROGRAMS TOGETHER AND A HOST OF COMMUNITY PARTNERS WHO ARE WITH US AS WELL.

>> Eric: HAVE A GREAT TIME.

APPRECIATE YOU COMING OVER.

THANKS.

♪ ♪ >> SOME HARVARD SCIENTISTS HAVE A NEW THEORY ABOUT WHY IT GETS HARDER TO REMEMBER STUFF WHEN YOU GET OLDER.

WE ALL HAVE THAT HAPPEN.

IT'S THAT HORRIBLE FEELING WHEN YOU JUST CAN'T THINK OF THE RIGHT -- THE, UH -- THE RIGHT -- WHAT IS IT?

THE, UM, AHH, WORD.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SERIOUS NEUROLOGICAL CONDITIONS, BUT THAT NAGGING FEELING YOU GET EVERY TIME YOU LOSE YOUR KEYS.

SOMEONE SAYS "HI," AND SUDDENLY YOU'RE STRUGGLING TO REMEMBER THEIR NAME.

TRY AND TRY, BUT THEIR NAME WON'T COME UNTIL HOURS LATER, WHEN YOU SUDDENLY BLURT IT OUT WHILE WATCHING "MRS.

MAISEL."

WE ALL WORRY THAT WE ARE LOSING OUR MEMORIES, LEAKING THE MILLIONS OF BITS OF INFORMATION WE HAVE BUILT UP OVER YEARS.

BUT ACCORDING TO THIS NEW THEORY, IT'’S NOT THAT WE ARE LOSING INFORMATION; IT'S THAT WE JUST HAVE SO MUCH OF IT.

WHEN YOU ARE A KID, YOU ONLY HAVE A FEW THINGS TO REMEMBER, LIKE NAME, ADDRESS, LOCKER COMBINATION, AND THE NAMES AND POWERS OF ALL 893 POKÉMON CHARACTERS.

GROWN-UPS HAVE TO REMEMBER ALL THAT, PLUS THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER, BANK ACCOUNTS, PASSWORDS FOR EMAIL AND THEIR WORK COMPUTER, AND ALL 893 STREAMING SERVICES.

THE OLDER YOU GET, THE MORE STUFF YOU HAVE TO SIFT THROUGH TO FIND THE ANSWER.

THEY CALL IT "BRAIN CLUTTER," LOTS OF STUFF LYING AROUND, LIKE ON THE FLOOR OF YOUR CLOSET.

BASICALLY, WE'’RE FILLED UP.

YOU CAN ONLY JAM SO MUCH STUFF INTO A FILE CABINET BEFORE IT GETS HARDER AND HARDER TO GET THE DRAWER OPEN.

LUCKILY, THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF VITAMINS AND SUPPLEMENTS TO TAKE FOR MEMORY PROBLEMS.

THEY ALL WORK ABOUT AS WELL AS USING A MEMORY PILLOW.

AND THEY'’RE EXPENSIVE, ALTHOUGH ONE PATIENT TOLD ME ONE BOTTLE LASTED HIM FOR YEARS, SINCE HE NEVER REMEMBERED TO TAKE THEM.

YOU COULD GO TO A MEMORY CLINIC, BUT OF COURSE THEY'LL MAKE YOU PAY IN ADVANCE.

SO WHAT DOES HELP YOUR MEMORY?

EXERCISING EVERY DAY, AND APPARENTLY MEDITATION.

SO BASICALLY MOVING AND SITTING STILL.

ALSO BEING MORE SOCIAL, SPENDING TIME WITH OTHER PEOPLE, ALTHOUGH THAT JUST GIVES YOU MORE NAMES TO REMEMBER.

SO GET OUT AND TAKE A WALK DOWN MEMORY LANE.

WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'’T GET LOST.

[ Applause ] ♪ ♪ >> ERIC: THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION RECENTLY REVOKED TWO KEY MINERAL LEASES HELD BY TWIN METALS MINNESOTA, THE MINING COMPANY HOPING TO ACCESS NICKEL AND COPPER DEPOSITS ON THE EDGE OF THE BOUNDARY WATERS.

OPPONENTS OF THE MINE HELD THIS UP AS A MAJOR VICTORY, BUT WILL THE DECISION STICK?

YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT "ALMANAC'’S" DAVID GILLETTE HAS DONE EXTENSIVE COVERAGE ON THE TWIN METALS PROJECT.

THIS WEEK, HE SPOKE WITH DAN KRAKER AT MPR NEWS ABOUT WHAT MIGHT LIE AHEAD.

>> David: YOU KNOW, DAN, THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY HEADLINES OVER THE YEARS.

THE MINE'S MOVING FORWARD, THE MINE'S NOT MOVING FORWARD.

WHY IS THIS DIFFERENT?

>> THE LEASES ARE A BIG DEAL AND THE CANCELLATION OF THESE LEASES IS A BIG DEAL BECAUSE THEY ARE KEY UNDERPINNINGS OF THE PROPOSAL THAT TWIN METALS HAS PUT FORWARD TO STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATORS.

SO THE PROJECT THAT TWIN METALS HAS PROPOSED, THE LEASES ARE A KEY PART OF THAT, SO WITHOUT THESE LEASES THE PRONGPROJECT AS DESIGNED CAN GO FORWARD.

QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER TWIN METALS COULD COME BACK WITH A REPURPOSED PROJECT BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE THE RIGHTS TO SOME STATE LEASES AND PRIVATE LEASES.

IT'S KINDS OF THIS PATCHWORK QUILT OF MINERAL LEASES AND LANDS THAT THE PROPOSED MINING AREA IS ON.

BUT THE FOLKS FIGHTING THIS PROPOSAL REALLY THINK THIS COULD BE DEATH KNELL TO THE PROJECT.

TWIN METALS HASN'T GONE THAT FAR YET.

THEY SAY THEY'RE STILL FIGHTING THIS DECISION.

THAT THEY'RE ANALYZING THE LEGAL ANALYSIS THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT USED TO CANCEL THE LEASES.

BUT, YEAH, THIS IS A POTENTIALLY VERY BIG DEAL FOR THE POTENTIAL FUTURE OF THIS MINE.

>> David: AND AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS, WE KEEP REFERENCING TWIN METALS, THAT SPECIFIC COMPANY, BUT THERE'S MORE ACTION BEING TAKEN BY THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION WHICH AFFECTS MINING MORE BROADRY.

THERE'S TWO ACTIONS HERE, CORRECT?

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THIS CAN GET REALLY CONFUSING IF YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING THIS CLOSELY.

A FEW MONTHS AGO THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION DID SOMETHING ELSE.

THEY PROPOSED WHAT'S CALLED A MINERAL WITHDRAWAL IN THE AREA IN WHICH TWIN METALS IS LOCATED.

IT COVERS MORE THAN 200,000 ACRES OF THE SUPERIOR NATIONAL FOREST SOUTH OF THE BOUNDARY WATERS WITHIN THE WATERSHED OF THE BOUNDARY WATERS AND WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS IF THAT GOES FORWARD THAT WOULD IMPOSE ESSENTIALLY A 20-YEAR MINING MORATORIUM ON NEW MINING PROJECTS IN THAT WATERSHED.

TWIN METALS'S PROPOSAL AS IT IS NOW WOULD NOT BE COVERED BY THAT BECAUSE THEY ALREADY CONTROLLED THE LEASES.

BUT NOW THAT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS CANCELED THOSE LEASES, TWIN METALS, TO TRY O PURSUE THIS AGAIN WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND REPLY FOR THOSE, BUT IN THIS MINERAL WITHDRAWAL WERE TO GO FORWARD, THAT COULDN'T HAPPEN FOR 20 YEARS.

>> David: COULD HYPOTHETICALLY A NEW ADMINISTRATION COMES IN THAT'S MORE IN FAVOR OF MINING -- >> BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED, RIGHT?

WE SAW AT THE END OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, WHERE THEY FIRST PROPOSED THIS MINERAL WITHDRAWAL AND A CANCELLATION OF THE EASES THAT WAS FLIPPED, BOTH OF THOSE DECISIONS WERE FLIPPED BY THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

NOW THEY'VE BEEN REINSTATED.

WITH THE MINERAL WITHDRAWAL, THAT IS GOING TO BE SETTLED IT SEEMS LIKE DURING THIS BIDEN ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS RIGHT NOW OF THAT WITHDRAWAL.

THAT'S EXPECTED TO BE DONE THIS SUMMER AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INDOORIOR COULD MAKE A DECISION ON THAT BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

IF SHE SIGNS THAT, THAT GOES INTO EFFECT FOR 20 YEARS.

THE LEASE DECISION, IT DEPENDS ON THE ACTION THAT TWIN METALS TAKES.

THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET THAT REVERSED.

IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO GO BACK TO THE COURTS.

SO THAT'S LESS CLEAR.

BUT, YOU KNOW, T SOME POINT, THE COURTS HAVE TO DECIDE THAT THIS IS THE END, RIGHT?

THEY CAN'T JUST HAVE ADMINISTRATIONS FLIPPING BACK AND FORTH.

AT SOME POINT, A DECISION NEEDS TO MADE ON THOSE LEASES THAT THEY'RE CANCELED, THEY'RE DEAD AND IF A MINING COMPANY WANTS TO GO FORWARD THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRY TO REPLY FOR THEM IF THERE'S NOT A MINERAL WITHDRAWAL IN PLACE.

>> David: THERE WERE SO MANY LOCAL FOLKS, PEOPLE WHO PLIIVED UP THERE, TAKING THIRLG ISSUES ALL THE WAY UP TO HE FEDERAL LEVEL.

HOW MUCH DID LOCAL ACTION IMPACT?

>> I THINK LOCAL ACTION HAD A BIG IMPACT ON THE ACTION WE'VE SEEN FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RECENTLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE BOUNDARY WATERS IS A LOCAL AND A STATE TREASURE, BUT IT'S ALSO A NATIONAL WILDERNESS AREA.

BUT IT WAS REALLY LOCAL FOLKS WHO I THINK SORT OF REALLY BROUGHT THE MESSAGE.

AND I'M SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, BOTH LOCAL, BOTH PRO AND CON ON THE TWIN METALS DEBATE HAVE REALLY LOBBIED IN WASHINGTON.

SO IT'S THOSE LOCAL VOICES HAVE REALLY, I THINK, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT THE ATTENTION OF THIS TO WASHINGTON.

AND I THINK IT'S REALLY SPURRED THE ACTION THAT WE'VE SEEN.

YOU KNOW, ROM THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION SIX YEARS AGO, THEN TO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

YOU KNOW, WHEN PRO-MINING FOLKS WERE LOBBYING THERE, AND NOW AGAIN WITH THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

SO I THINK THE DECISION MAKERS IN WASHINGTON, WHO ARE REALLY MAKING THE FINAL DECISIONS ON THIS, HAVE DEFINITELY BEEN SWAYED BY LOCAL ACTIVISM.

>> David: THANK YOU, DAN.

THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU'RE DOING UP THERE.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME.

APPRECIATE IT.

♪ ♪ >> Cathy: BOY, THIS AS A BUSY NEWS WEEK.

A LOT OF IMPORTANT NEWS STORIES.

ON TUESDAY, A SPECIAL FIVE-MEMBER JUDICIAL PANEL RELEASED NEW POLITICAL BOUNDARIES IN MINNESOTA.

THESE MAPS ARE RE-DRAWN EVERY TEN YEARS AND DETERMINE THE DISTRICTS OF ALL STATE LAWMAKERS AND MINNESOTA MEMBERS OF CONGRESS.

MARY LAHAMMER PICKS UNTHE STORY THERE.

>> Mary: OUR MAPS OF THE STATE CAPITOL AS THE ONCE EVERY DECADE REDRAWING OF POLITICAL LINES WAS RELEASES.

>> Y FIRST REACTION IS HAT THE SUPREME COURT DID NOT CHANGE THE BOUNDARIES OF HENNEPIN COUNTY.

>> Mary: HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY IS THE NEW OFFICE THE MAJORITY LEADER IS SEEKING.

IT'S ALSO FASCINATING THAT BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE MINORITY LEADERS GOT PAIRED UP WITH A MEMBER OF THEIR OWN CAUCUS.

THEIR JOB IS TO TRY TO UNSEAT THE MAJORITY PARTY.

>> WELL, A LOT OF EXCITEMENT.

ESPECIALLY WITH POLITICAL INSIDERS WHEN THE MAPS ARE RELEASED.

AND MEMBERS ARE CERTAINLY VERY EXCITED.

WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT OUR PRIORITIES FOR THIS SESSION WILL HELP US MAINTAIN AND GROW OUR MAJORITY, AND AGAIN, THAT'S FOCUSES ON PUBLIC SAFETY, EDUCATION, AND PERMANENT ONGOING TAX RELIEF FOR MINNESOTANS.

>> AS THE VICE CHAIR OF REDISTRICTING, I WANTED TO JUST KIND OF HAVE A LOOK AND SEE WHICH PIECES OF WHICH MAPS THAT THE COURT CONSIDERED.

I DID NOTICE THAT IN MY PARTICULAR COMMUNITY, AND OF COURSE I LOOKED AT THAT RIGHT AWAY TO MAKE SURE THAT I KNEW WHAT MY OWN POTENTIAL DISTRICT MIGHT BE.

BUT ALSO TO SEE THAT THE COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST IN MY COMMUNITY WOULD BE INCORPORATED.

>> ONE OF THE PRINCIPLES WAS COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST.

AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE WERE MINORITY OPPORTUNITIES ZONES.

SO FAR, SO GOOD IN YOUR DISTRICT?

>> WELL, IN MY OWN PARTICULAR DISTRICT.

WE DO HAVE A LARGE SOUTH ASIAN POPULATION.

AND I WAS INTERESTED TO EE IF THEY WOULD BE HELD TOGETHER.

AND LIKE I SAID, I WILL NEED TO DO A DEEPER DIVE TO SEE IF THAT'S HELD.

AT FIRST BLUSH, I BELIEVE THAT IT IS.

>> Mary: SO FAR, COMMUNITIES OF COLOR ARE GIVING THE NEW MAPS MIXED REVIEWS.

THE NEW EIGHTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT IN NORTHERN MINNESOTA INCLUDES ALL THE MAJOR POPULATED PORTIONS OF NATIVE AMERICAN RESERVATIONS, NORTH OF THE TWIN CITIES.

THAT FOLLOWS REQUESTS FROM TRIBAL LEADERS DURING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

>> WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT REDRAWING THE BOUNDARY LINES TO ENSURE THAT THE NATIVE VOTE IS NOT DILUTED AND THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, LEECH LAKE, WHITE EARTH AND RED LAKE ARE IN ONE DISTRICT.

>> Mary: COMMON CAUSE IS CONCERNED IN CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS THAT THE LEAST CHANGE APPROACH DOESN'T FACTOR IN ENOUGH NEW IMMIGRANT POPULATIONS AND COULD BENEFIT REPUBLICANS IN THE FIRST AND SECOND DISTRICTS IN THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE STATE.

>> [ SPEAKING WORLD LANGUAGE ] TO HEAR THE NEW MAPS FOLLOWING THE LEAST CHANGE APPROACH.

AND THE REPRESENTATIVES HAVE BEEN CHANGING A LOT.

IN THE STATE IN THE LAST DECADE AND THAT'S ONLY GOING TO INCREASE.

>> WE SAW THAT COMMUNITIES IN PARTICULAR, BIPOC AND HISTORICALLY UNREPRESENTED COMMUNITIES REALLY MADE A DIFFERENCE, RIGHT, AND SAVED MINNESOTA'S EIGHTH CONGRESSIONAL SEAT, AND WE SAW THAT THE CENSUS WAS BEING COUNTED AND WE SAW THAT REDISTRICTING WAS ABOUT BEING REPRESENTED.

>> Mary: BACK AT THE LEGISLATURE, ABOUT A THIRD OF LAWMAKERS PAIRED UP, HIGHER THAN NORMAL, AND MEANING MANY NEW FACES WILL COME TO THE CAPITOL AFTER LAWMAKERS FAILED TO COME TO AGREEMENT ON THE MAPS ON THEIR OWN.

>> WE WORKED HARD ALL YEAR ON THIS.

WE STARTED EARLY LAST SPRING OVER IN THE SENATE.

PUT TOGETHER A COMMITTEE.

DID THE ROAD SHOWS, TRYING TO GET INPUT FROM ALL AROUND THE STATE.

SENATE D.F.L.

WASN'T ABLE TO PUT A MAP TOGETHER.

LUCKILY ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, WE PUT A MAP TOGETHER, A PROPOSAL, TO START THE NEGOTIATIONS, AND WE JUST RAN OUT OF RUNWAY ON THAT.

BUT I THINK LOOKING AT THESE MAPS, IT REALLY POSITIONS THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AND CITIZENS ACROSS THE STATE FOR A REALLY GOOD REPRESENTATION GOING FORWARD.

>> AS A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE REDISTRICTING COMMITTEE, I WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE WAY CHAIR MURPHY CONDUCTED OUR PROCESS.

WE NVITED A LOT OF COMMUNITY INPUT.

WE -- FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, THE MAPS WERE OUT THERE FOR TWO WEEKS.

IT WAS UNFORTUNATE THAT THE SENATE DID NOT BRING FORWARD A BILL.

AND WITHOUT A BILL, WE CAN'T HAVE A CONFERENCE COMMITTEE.

>> I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THE METRO-SUBURBAN DISTRICTS GREW IN POPULATION OF COURSE, AND THE RURAL DISTRICTS MAYBE SHRUNK A LITTLE BIT.

SO THERE'S PROBABLY MORE METRO/SUBURBAN DISTRICTS AS A RESULT AND FEWER DISTRICTS IN GREATER MINNESOTA.

AS SOMEONE WHO REPRESENTS GREATER MINNESOTA, THE SIZE OF OUR DISTRICTS, WHILE THE POPULATION IS THE SAME ACROSS THE STATE, THE ACTUAL GEOGRAPHY THAT WE HAVE TO COVER IS MUCH GREATER.

SO IT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT.

♪ ♪ >> TWO BIG TOPICS FOR THE NEXT TEN MINUTES OR SO.

THE DEATH OVERNIGHT OF FIRST DISTRICT CONGRESSMAN JIM HAGEDORN AND THE RELEASE THIS WEEK OF NEW POLITICAL MAPS USED IN THIS FALL'S ELECTIONS.

BOTH NEWS DEVELOPMENTS HAVE LED ELECTED OFFICIALS TO PONDER THEIR POLITICAL FUTURES.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THESE DEVELOPMENTS WITH A PAIR OF VETERAN CAPITOL PLAYERS.

BRIAN MCDANIEL IS A LEGISLATIVE LOBBYIST AND A REPUBLICAN.

ABOU AMARA IS A FORMER LEGISLATIVE STAFFER NOW AN ATTORNEY.

HE'S A DEMOCRAT.

BRIAN, LET'S TALK ABOUT CONGRESSMAN HAGEDORN.

WE'LL BEGIN OUR CONVERSATION THERE.

HE DIED AT THE AGE OF 59 AFTER BATTLING CANCER FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.

PUT HIS POLITICAL REAR INTO SOME CONTEXT FOR US.

>> WELL, I THINK THAT HE'LL BE -- HE'S SOMEBODY FROM A FAMILY THAT HAS REPRESENTED, YOU KNOW, SOUTHERN MINNESOTA FOR A LONG TIME.

HIS FATHER TOM REPRESENTED, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY HAT SAME AREA.

SO I THINK PEOPLE WILL THINK OF HIM AS SOMEBODY WHO WAS A CONSERVATIVE PERSON, SOMEBODY WHO WAS FROM THE DISTRICT, REPRESENTED THE DISTRICT WELL.

AND, YOU KNOW, HAD MORE THAT HE PROBABLY COULD HAVE DONE.

YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNEW HE WAS SICK.

WE KNEW HE WAS VERY SICK.

BUT STILL WHEN I FOUND OUT THIS MORNING THAT HE PASSED I WAS LEGITIMATELY SURPRISED.

>> Eric: GOVERNOR WALZ HAS PUT THE FLAGS AT HALF STAFF AROUND THE STATE.

AND HE GOT A LOT OF BIPARTISAN WELL WISHES AND REMEMBRANCES TODAY FROM -- ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS.

BUT IT'S CHAIRMAN HANN SAID, THE WORLD DOES GO ON AND, ABOU, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE POLITICS AND WHAT HAPPENS NOW IN THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT?

>> WELL, I HINK IT JUST CONTRIBUTES TO THE MUSICAL CHAIRS THAT'S HAPPENING AT THE CAPITOL.

SO I'LL BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHO THE REPUBLICANS ULTIMATELY PUT UP.

OBVIOUSLY IS A POLL JEAFLS TO THE CONGRESSMAN'S AMILY THE.

ANY TIME YOU LOSE A MEMBER OF THE DELEGATION.

THAT'S TOUGH.

I THINK THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE A CONTINUATION OF THAT.

YOU'RE GOING TO SEE DEMOCRATS REALLY FOCUS ON PROTECTING THE HOUSE.

THE MAPS LOOK GOOD FOR THE DEMOCRATS THERE.

58 SEATS LOOK TO BE IN STRONG D.F.L.

HANDS, AND SO WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN NOVEMBER.

>> Cathy: SO, BRIAN, SPECIAL ELECTION WILL BE CALLED SOON.

WHAT NAMES ARE YOU HEARING?

>> WELL, I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE IT IF THERE WOULD BE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO, YOU KNOW, MOURN THE CONGRESSMAN.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE CERTAINLY HEARING THAT HIS WIFE IS INTERESTED.

I EARD THAT SHE WAS MAKING CALLS TODAY.

WHICH SEEMS EARLY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S OKAY.

AND THEN STATE REPRESENTATIVE JEREMY MUNSON ALREADY HAD A WEBSITE.

BUT THE OTHER NAMINGS I'M HEARING, PROBABLY SENATOR CARLA NELSON, AARON MILLER IS SOMEBODY WHO HAS RUN IN THAT AREA BEFORE TRYING TO SEEK THE THE ENDOUSERMENT AND YOU MIGHT SEE A COUPLE MORE NAMES POP UP BUT I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE UNIVERSE OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE BEST SHOT.

>> Eric: LET'S TALK REDISTRICTING, ABOU, ONE THING ABOUT HAVING A FIVE-JUDGE PANEL, THE LEGISLATURE HASN'T DONE ITS WORK NOW FOR GOING ON FIVE DECADES.

IT DOES KIND OF PREVENT GERRYMANDERING, DOESN'T IT?

>> BUT IT MAY NOT REFLECT THE VALUE OR THE ILL OF LEGISLATORS.

THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHERE THE POWER RESIDES WITH REDISTRICTS IS WITH LEGISLATORS.

SO THIS REALLY KIND OF PRESERVES SOME OF THE PREVIOUS REDISTRICTING PROCESSES, ULTIMATELY GOING BACK 50 YEARS.

SO, LOOK, DEMOCRATS STILL THINK THAT ON BALANCE, THIS IS A GOOD MAP.

LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THERE ARE 58 SEATS IN THE MEMBERSHIP AREA THAT ARE IN STRONG D.F.L.

HANDS.

AND YOU ONLY NEED 68 TO BE IN CONTROL OF THE HOUSE, AND SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT'S A STRONG MAP FOR DEMOCRATS.

BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S HAPPENED AND NOW IT'S A QUESTION OF GOING OUT AND TALKING TO VOTERS AND WINNING IN NOVEMBER.

>> Eric: WHAT DO YOU THINK, BRIAN?

>> I THINK THE REPUBLICANS, NO MATTER WHAT THE MAP LOOKED LIKE WERE GOING TO FEEL VERY CONFIDENT GOING INTO THE ELECTION.

IT'S THE MIDTERMS.

PRESIDENT BIDEN IS NOT ABOVE 50% IN ANY STATE, INCLUDING HIS OWN.

AND SO THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE EPUBLICANS WERE NOT WORRIED THAT A MAP WAS GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO THEM THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TAKE THE MAJORITY WITH TBHT HOUSE.

NOW, WITH ALL THE PAIRINGS, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE MORE REPUBLICAN PAIRINGS IN THE HOUSE AND THE ENATE, NOT THAT THAT'S UNFAIR.

NO ONE IS SAYING THAT IT WAS UNFAIR.

THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT WORKED OUT.

THAT THROWS THINGS INTO A LITTLE BIT SENATOR FLUX.

BUT I THINK THAT YOU'LL BE HARD PRESSED TO FIND A REPUBLICAN THAT DOESN'T FEEL BULLISH ON THE ODDS OF TAKING OVER THE HOUSE, MAINTAINING THE SENATE AND MAYBE POTENTIALLY EVEN GETTING THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.

>> Cathy: SAY, ABOU, THOSE PAIRINGS THAT BRIAN MENTIONED, A LOT OF THEM DEALT WITH WOMEN, WHICH HAS RAISED SOME CONCERN AMONG SOME FEMALE POLITE COS. >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHILE THESE CONVERSATIONS RE BEING HAD ABOUT WHO'S ACTUALLY GOING TO RUN IN A PARTICULAR DISTRICT, THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF CONSIDERATIONS THAT WILL BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.

I KNOW THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE HAPPENING AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS AFFIRM THE NACT THAT THEY'RE RUNNING LIKE EMMA GREEN AMEND IN DISTRICT 634 OR IN NORTHEAST MINNEAPOLIS IN 59A WHICH IS SYDNEY JORDAN.

YOU'RE SEEING ON THE DFL SIDE, PRIORITIZING PEOPLE OF COLOR, WOMEN.

OUTSIDERS AND NOT NECESSARILY THOSE INSIDERS.

>> Eric: BRIAN I JUST WANT TO UHIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THE PAIRINGS AND I THINK MARY ALLUDED TO IT EARLIER IN HER PRESENTATION.

MELISA LOPEZ FRANZEN THE LEADER IN THE SENATE AND RON LATZ, VETERAN ST. LOUIS PARK STATE -- D.F.L.

STATE SENATOR ARE PAIRED, AND THEN KURT DAUDT, THE REPUBLICAN LEADER IN THE HOUSE, AND SONDRA ERICKSON, I THINK SHE WAS HIS TEACHER BACK IN THE DAY.

WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE LEADERSHIP PAIRINGS?

>> I THINK IT'S SHOWS THAT THERE WASN'T ANY SPECIAL KIND OF TREATMENT THAT THE MINORITY LEADERS GOT.

I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, KURT DAUDT IS RUNNING, AND IN THE SENATE RACE THAT YOU MENTION AID, WE KNOW THAT RON LATZ IS RUNNING.

AND THAT PUTS MINORITY LEADER LOPEZ FRANZEN IN A REAL PICKLE, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, SHE CAN MOVE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A DISTRICT CLOSE ENOUGH.

AND SHE HAS YOUNG KIDS.

SHE KERNEL CAN RUN.

BUT THE DISTRICT IS MOSTLY SENATOR LATZ'S OLD DISTRICT.

SO I THINK THAT THAT IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT CERTAINLY IF YOU'RE A DEMOCRAT, IT'S UNFORTUNATE TO KIND OF HAVE TWO LEADERS IN YOUR CAUCUS BE PUT IN A POSITION WHERE THEY HAVE TO GO AGAINST EACH OTHER AND POTENTIALLY LOSE YOUR NEWLY ELECTED MINORITY LEADER.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS?

>> IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH.

ULTIMATELY THIS IS MORE RON LATZ'S DISTRICT THAN IT IS LEADER FRANZEN'S DISTRICT, AND SO THAT'S GOING TO PLAY A ROLE IN HO ULTIMATELY WERE TO WIN THAT RACE.

I THINK LEADER FRANZEN IS A VERY SMART PERSON.

SHE'S GOING TO UNDERSTAND THE NUMBERS.

AND UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE PATH TO ULTIMATELY RETAIN THAT POWER.

BUT REMEMBER, THERE ARE OTHER SEATS AT PLAY.

THERE'S A COUNTY ATTORNEY'S RACE.

I'M NOT SUGGESTING SHE'S JUMPED IN THAT RACE.

I AM SAYING THAT'S AN OPTION.

THERE ARE POTENTIALLY OTHER SENATE SEATS AT PLAY.

THERE ARE OTHER SEATS HELD BY REPUBLICANS THAT POTENTIALLY SHE COULD MOVE INTO IN THE SUBURBS.

ALL OF THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE GROWTH WAS IN THE SUBURBS AND IN THE CITY IN PARTICULAR.

AND THOSE SEATS ARE NOW MORE D.F.L.

THAN THEY'VE EVER BEEN WHICH MEANS DEMOCRATS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMPETE IN PARTS OF THE TATE WHERE WE COULD NOT COMPETE TEN YEARS AGO.

>> Eric: I DO WANT TO GO BACK TO THE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS FOR JUST A SECOND.

AND CD-2 WHICH LOOKS LIKE THE ONLY TOSSUP AMONG THE EIGHT?

IS THAT FAIR, BRIAN?

>> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY THE MOST COMPETITIVE DISTRICT IN MINNESOTA, POSSIBLY ONE OF THE MORE COMPETITIVE DISTRICTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND I THINK THAT IT HAS A SLIGHT D.F.L., YOU KNOW, PLUS ONE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I SAW, BUT IF THIS IS A REALLY GOOD YEAR FOR REPUBLICANS WHICH IT WILL BE, IT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE THAT THERE'LL BE ABLE TO OVERCOME THAT SLIGHT D.F.L.

ADVANTAGE THERE.

>> Eric: AND ABOU, THIS IS ANGIE CRAIG WHO'S THE D.F.L.

INCUMBENT.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

AND WHY IT WON'T BE GOOD FOR REPUBLICANS IS VERY SIMPLE: COVID.

THE COUNTRY AND SUBURBS IN PARTICULAR HAVE SEEN HOW COVID CAN IMPACT SCHOOLS, CAN IMPACT COMMUNITIES, AND THAT'S WHY YOU'VE SEEN DEMOCRATS TAKE A PRAGMATIC APPROACH ON COVID, AND REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO VOTERS IN ANGIE CRAIG'S DISTRICT AND OTHERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHY THEY DON'T BELIEVE PEOPLE SHOULD BE VACCINATED SO WE CAN GET BACK TO NORMAL SOCIETY.

>> Cathy: BRIAN, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT?

>> WELL, I CERTAINLY THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT DEMOCRATS WOULD LIKE TO BE TRUE.

I THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW IS DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, SOME, YOU KNOW, MAYORS IN MINNESOTA, AND A LOT OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE STARTING TO RETREAT FROM MASK MANDATES, AND SO I THINK THAT THE ANTI--VAX ALBATROSS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL WEIGH REPUBLICANS DOWN.

THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.

BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW THAT THE PUBLIC IS SQUARELY INDICATING THAT THEY THINK THE DEMOCRATS OVERREACHED AND OVER-CORRECTED TO THE DETRIMENT MOSTLY OF THEIR CHILDREN, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE HARD FOR THE DEMOCRATS TO EXPLAIN AWAY AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY EVEN THINK THEY DID ANYTHING WRONG.

>> Eric: BRIAN, FINALLY IS THERE A DRAFT MCDANIEL MOVEMENT IN DISTRICT 57?

>> I HAVE A HOLE INSIDE OF ME THAT CAN ONLY BE FILLED WITH A ATTENTION, SO I CERTAINLY LIKE WHEN MY NAME IS MENTIONED.

YOU CAN'T GET US TO DO THAT.

>> ABSOLUTELY ANOTHER.

NOT.

>> Cathy: YOU SURE?

OKAY.

>> Eric: WELL, THANKS, FELLAS, VERY MUCH.

THIS IS GOING TO -- WE NEED A SCORE CARD BECAUSE IT'S A BIG SCRAMBLE NOW.

SO WE'LL NEED YOUR GUIDANCE AS WE GO THROUGH THE MONTHS HERE.

THANKS A LOT.

>> Cathy: GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

♪ ♪ >> ERIC: WE COULD USE SOME OF THAT WARM WEATHER NOW.

IT'’S TIME FOR SOME FUN MINNESOTA HISTORY.

HERE'’S OUR QUESTION.

IT HAS TO DO WITH MINNEAPOLIS IN THE 1960S, SEEN HERE IN THIS NIFTY POSTCARD.

IN JANUARY OF 1962, THE "MINNEAPOLIS STAR" NEWSPAPER NOTED THE START OF CONSTRUCTION OF THREE NEW STRUCTURES THAT REPRESENTED CHANGE IN THE CITY.

THE PAPER SAID THAT THEY WOULD BE COMPLETED IN JUNE.

THEN IN AUGUST, A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE SAID THAT OCTOBER WOULD BE THE FINISHING DATE.

FINALLY, IN NOVEMBER, THERE WAS A FANCY RIBBON-CUTTING CEREMONY.

THE MAYOR WAS THERE.

SO WAS KAREN JOHNSON, MISS DOWNTOWN.

SHE CUT THE RIBBON WHICH WAS MADE OF A CHAIN OF DOLLAR BILLS.

WE WANT YOU TO TELL US WHAT WAS THE OCCASION OF THE RIBBON CUTTING.

WHAT NEW-FANGLED STRUCTURE WAS BEING CELEBRATED WITH A RIBBON-CUTTING CEREMONY IN NOVEMBER 1962?

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THAT'’S THE SAME SERVICE YOU CAN WATCH THE ACTION AT THE LEGISLATURE, 8:00 TO 6:00 P.M. EACH WEEKDAY FROM NOW UNTIL NEAR THE END OF MAY.

FOR SHOW-CLOSING MUSIC, LET'’S FEATURE ONE OF THE PEOPLE FEATURED NEXT WEEK AT ONE OF THE MINNESOTA HUMANITIES CENTER'’S PUBLIC EVENTS.

THOMASINA PETRUS WAS ONE OF THE FEATURED SINGERS THIS MONTH BACK IN 2010 WHEN SHE JOINED T. MYKAEL RAMBO AND REGINA WILLIAMS SINGING THE JAZZ STANDARD "AIN'’T MISBEHAVIN'."

WE INVITE YOU TO LISTEN AS WE GET READY TO ROLL THE CREDITS.

THANKS FOR WATCHING.

WE HOPE YOU JOIN US AGAIN NEXT WEEK.

AND BE CAREFUL.

[ JAZZY PIANO MUSIC ] ♪ ♪ >> ♪ NO ONE TO TALK WITH ♪ ♪ ALL BY MYSELF ♪ ♪ NO ONE TO WALK WITH ♪ ♪ BUT I'M HAPPY ON THE SHELF ♪ ♪ AIN'T MISBEHAVIN' ♪ ♪ I'M SAVIN' MY LOVE FOR YOU ♪ ♪ I'M HOME ABOUT EIGHT ♪ ♪ JUST ME AND MY RADIO ♪ ♪ AIN'T MISBEHAVIN' ♪ ♪ I'M SAVIN' MY LOVE FOR YOU ♪ >> ♪ LIKE JACK HORNER ♪ ♪ IN THE CORNER ♪ ♪ DON'T GO NOWHERE ♪ ♪ WHAT DO I CARE?

♪ ♪ YOUR KISSES ARE WORTH WAITIN' FOR ♪ >> YOU BETTER WATCH OUT.

>> ♪ BELIEVE ME ♪ ♪ I KNOW FOR CERTAIN ♪ ♪ THE ONE I LOVE ♪ ♪ I'M THROUGH WITH FLIRTIN' ♪ ♪ IT'S JUST YOU I'M THINKIN' OF ♪ ♪ AIN'T MISBEHAVIN' ♪ ♪ I'M SAVIN' MY LOVE FOR YOU ♪ >> COME ON, TOM, GIVE US SOMETHING NOW.

HEY!

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