>>> THE BIDEN ERA BEGINS WITH CALLS FOR UNITY.

JOINING US ON "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD" THIS WEEK, LAURA BISCHOFF, SHOUS REPORTER FOR THE DAYTON DAILY NEWS, DALE BUTLAND, STRATEGIES AND CLARENCE MINGO, FORMER COUNTY AUDITOR.

IT WAS A UNIQUELY NORMAL INAUGURATION, WHILE THE INAUGURAL STAGE WAS THE SAME, THE SEA WAS CERTAINLY DIFFERENT, FEAR OF COVID SPREAD PREVENTED ALL BY VIPs FROM ATTENDING THE CEREMONY, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF FLAGS REPLACED THE USUALLY TENS OF THOUSANDS OF SPECTATORS ON THE WASHINGTON MALL.

NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS PATROLLED THE PERIMETER, TIGHTER BECAUSE OF THE RECENT INSURRECTION, AND KAMALA HARRIS BECAME THE FURST VICE PRESIDENT OF COLOR AND PRESIDENT BIDEN PLEDGED TO WORK WITH OTHERS TO END WAR.

>> WE LEARNED AGAIN DEMOCRACY IS PRESSURE, DEMOCRACY IS FRAGILE.

AT THIS HOUR, MY FRIENDS, DEMOCRACY HAS PREVAILED.

[ APPLAUSE ] TODAY ON THIS JANUARY DAY, MY WHOLE SOUL IS IN THIS, BRINGING AMERICA TOGETHER, UNITING OUR PEOPLE, UNITING OUR NATION, AND I ASK EVERY AMERICAN TO JOIN ME IN THIS CAUSE.

>> YOU'VE WITNESSED MORE THAN YOUR SHARE OF NATIONAL GUARD RACES, I'M SURE.

HOW DOES THIS COMPARE TO OTHERS YOU'VE SEEN?

>> YOU KNOW, MIKE, A LOT OF PRESIDENTS HAVE COME INTO OFFICE AMID CRISES OF VARIOUS KIND.

LINCOLN OF COURSE HAD A NATION COME IN APART, WILSON WITH A GLOBAL PANDEMIC, ROOSEVELT HAD THE PANDEMIC AND RACE RELATIONS WERE TERRIBLE WHEN LYNDON JOHNSON TOOK OFFICE BUT NO PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY HAS TAKEN OFFICE WITH SO MANY CRISES ALL HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME, TO SAY NOTHING OF THE ATTEMPTED COUP JUST TWO WEEKS AGO AT THE VERY CAPITOL BILLING WHERE HE SWORN IN.

SO JOE BIDEN WAS UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE.

I THINK MOST EVERYONE AGREES THAT HE MET THE MOMENT WITH PROBABLY THE BEST AND MOST INSPIRING SPEECH OF HIS LONG CAREER.

AS YOU SAID IN THE LEAD IN TO THIS, HIS MAIN THEME, OF COURSE, WAS UNITY, WHICH IS HARD TO ARGUE WITH WHEN THE CAPITOL LOOKS LIKE AN ARMED CAMP, RINGED BY 25,000 TROOPS AND RAZOR WIRE ALONG THE FENCES.

HERE'S THE THING ABOUT UNITY, IT CAN'T BE ACHIEVED UNILATERALLY.

SO IF REPUBLICANS TRULY WANT UNITY, I THINK A GOOD FIRST STEP WOULD BE TO REPUDIATE THEIR BIG LIE THAT JOE BIDEN STOLE THE ELECTION THROUGH MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD, WHICH THEY'VE TOLD SO OFTEN THAT EVEN NOW POLLS SAY A THIRD OF THE COUNTRY AND 75% OF REPUBLICAN VOTERS STILL BELIEVE THAT BIDEN'S ELECTION WAS ILLEGITIMATE.

SO IF REPUBLICANS TRULY WANT UNITY, LET THEM START BY FINALLY TELLING THE TRUTH WITH JUST 11 WORDS -- THE ELECTION WASN'T STOLEN AND JOE BIDEN WON FAIR AND SQUARE.

>> MITCH McCONNELL LAST WEEK ON THE FLOOR OF THE SENATE BASICALLY SAID WHAT DALE WAS ASKING HIM TO DO, THE INSURRECTION WAS WRONG AND INDEED LAID AT THE FEET OF DONALD TRUMP.

MANY REPUBLICANS WERE ECHOING CALLS FOR UNITY.

HOW SERIOUS ARE THOSE CALLS FOR UNITY, ON BOTH THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE AND REPUBLICAN SIDE AND TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER IN THE NEXT MONTHS AND YEARS?

>> YEAH, I MEAN, WHAT HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6 IS LIKELY THE MOST HISTORICAL MOMENT OF MY 48 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN AMERICA.

REPUBLICANS IN LARGE PART ARE NOW AWAKE AND WE REALLY NEED TO GO ON A NATIONAL CAMPAIGN TO REPUDIATE EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6th AND TO MESSAGE WITHIN OUR OWN PARTY MOST IMPORTANTLY BUT ALSO NATIONALLY, THAT JOE BIDEN'S ELECTION WAS VALID AND THAT WE, AS REPUBLICANS, AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NOW HAVE A DUTY TO GET BEHIND HIM AND DEBATE WITH CIVILITY AS APPROPRIATE AND OTHERWISE GET DOWN TO THE BUSINESS OF HEALING THE NATION.

I DON'T THINK REPUBLICANS CAN AFFORD TO SPEND A SINGLE MINUTE NAMING POLITICAL ENEMIES VERSUS ACKNOWLEDGING AND TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE DISASTER THAT'S REALLY CONSTITUTED THE LAST FOUR YEARS AND MOST ESPECIALLY JANUARY 6th.

SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO AND IT MUST BE SAID THAT WORK IS NOT PARTISAN.

THAT WORK HAS TO BE ABOUT AMERICA AND HAS TO BE DONE WITH SINCERITY AND IT HAS TO START RIGHT NOW.

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>> LAURA BISCHOFF, HAVE THE CALLS OF UNITY FILTERED DOWN TO OHIO ELECTED LEADERS, BOTH THE ONES THAT SERVE IN WASHINGTON AND THE ONES THAT SERVE HERE IN COLUMBUS?

>> IT'S INTERESTING THE OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY CHAIRWOMAN, JANE TIMKIN, SAID THE PARTY IS COMMITTED TO THE PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER.

SHE WAS A MAJOR SUPPORTER OF PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP.

AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR GOVERNOR DEWINE SAYING HE WANTS TO WORK WITH THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION FOR THE BENEFIT OF OHIO.

I THINK THERE'S A HONEYMOON PERIOD AT THIS POINT, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT TALK OF UNITY AND A HONEYMOON IS GOING TO HAVE A LASTING IMPACT.

I THINK THAT THE COUNTRY IS SO DEEPLY DIVIDED, IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO REPAIR.

>> DALE BUTLAND, THE UNION TESTIFY HONEYMOON COULD END NEXT WEEK IF THE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL BEGINS AS EARLY AS THIS COMING WEEK.

WILL IT PUT AN ERASER ON ALL THAT THE BIDEN SAID, WILL IT RUIN ANY SPIRIT OF COOPERATION AND BIPARTISANSHIP?

>> WELL, IT SHOULDN'T.

NO PRESIDENT WANTS TO START HIS TERM WITH A TRIAL OF HIS PRED -- PREDECESSOR.

THERE'S LOTS OF STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND QUICKLY, WITH REGARD TO COVID, GETTING HIS NOMINEES FOR HIS CABINET APPROVED AND SO ON.

EVEN THOUGH HE'S NO LONGER IN OFFICE, IT'S CRITICAL, IN MY VIEW, THAT TRUMP BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, IF FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN LETTING HIM GET AWAY WITH IT, YOU KNOW, LETTING HIM GET AWAY WITH INCITING AN INSURRECTION WOULD VIRTUALLY ENSURE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN.

SO LET'S BE HONEST HERE.

IF INCITING AN ATTEMPTED COUP AND A VOLENT ATTACK AGAINST CONGRESS IS NOT AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE, PLEASE TELL ME WHAT IS.

>> SHOULD THE SENATE CONVICT HIM, SHOULD THEY EVEN HOLD A TRIAL, CLARENCE MINGO?

>> MY BACKGROUND IS THAT OF A LAWYER.

I DON'T MIND TO BE CLICHE BUT I AM ABSOLUTELY FOR THE RULE OF LAW.

AND THAT PHRASE HAS MORE MEANING NOW TO THE AVERAGE AMERICAN THAN EVER BEFORE.

I COULD NOT THINK OF ANOTHER VICIOUS THAT AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT COULD COMMIT THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE CONDUCT ON THE PATH TOWARD IMPEACHMENT.

SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF SPEAKER PELOSI'S THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS IMPEACHMENT AND THINK THERE IS PLENTY OF EVIDENCE THAT THE UNITED STATES SENATE CAN POINT TO TO SUGGEST THE PRESIDENT IS CULPABLE OR RESPONSIBLE, IF YOU WILL, IN PART FOR THE EVENTS THAT OCCURRED ON JANUARY 6th.

LET ME QUICKLY ADD ANOTHER THING.

IT IS DIFFICULT FOR ME TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6th PURELY IN THE CONTEST OF POLITICS BECAUSE THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT VERY WELL COULD HAVE COLLAPSED UNDER THE WEIGHT OF THOSE EVENTS.

AND I'VE GOT A 14 AND 15-YEAR-OLD GIRLS AND I CANNOT SPEAK OF THIS MERELY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF POLITICS BECAUSE THE CONSEQUENCE OF JANUARY 6th COULD HAVE TRANSCENDED THE FIELD OF POLITICS AND REALLY IMPACTED ALL OF OUR LIVES IN WAYS THAT IF WE HAVE TAKEN NOTE OF HISTORY, WE SHOULD ALL APPRECIATE AND ALL FEAR BECAUSE OF THE DISASTROUS RESULT THAT COULD HAVE ENSUED.

THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL ISSUE FOR ME, IT'S WELL BEYOND THAT.

>> THE INSURRECTION PROMPTED WARNS OF ARMED MARCHES AND PROTESTS AROUND THE COUNTRY.

PROTESTERS CAME TO DOWNTOWN COLUMBUS ARMED BUT THERE WERE NOT VERY MANY OF THEM AND THEY REMAINED PEACEFUL, SOME THREE DOZEN RIGHT-WING ACTIVISTS TURNED OUT ON SUNDAY, SOME CONTINUED FALSE CLAIMS THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN.

OTHERS VOWED TO FIGHT FOR THEIR INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.

WATCHING THEM WERE SCORES OF STATE TROOPERS AND NATIONAL GUARD SOLDIERS AND ALSO BLACK LIVES MATTER PROTESTERS WERE THERE AS WELL.

IT WAS VERY HEAVILY GUARDED, LOTS OF TROOPERS, NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS, POLICE OFFICERS.

BUT YOU WERE THERE.

IT SEEMED TO BE JUST A TOTAL PROTEST.

>> YEAH.

I MAN, THEY HAD SOME GUYS DRESSED UP AS MILITIA PEOPLE AND BLACK LIVES MATTER COUNTERPRO TESS -- COUNTERPRO TESSERS.

SOME WERE CARYING SIDE ARMS.

IT WAS UNUSUAL TO SEE SUCH A FORCEFUL PRESENCE BY THE PATROL AND BY THE GUARD AND MILITARY VEHICLES PARKED ON THE SIDEWALK.

YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS TROOPERS EVERY TEN FEET.

AND I THINK HAD THERE NOT BEEN SUCH A GIANT SHOW OF FORCE, MAYBE MORE PROTESTERS WOULD HAVE BEEN INVOLVED TO COME DOWN TO THE STATEHOUSE.

THE CONCERN IS WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT MASSIVE TURNOUT BY THE PATROL AND THE NATIONAL GUARD IS DIALED BACK.

>> YEAH, THEY WERE THERE IN SOME FORM THROUGH WEDNESDAY, THROUGH INAUGURATION DAY AND THEN THINGS STARTED TO OPEN UP AGAIN.

WHY THE NEED TO CARRY THOSE LARGE ASSAULT-STYLE WEAPONS?

DID THEY EXPLAIN?

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE FULLY LOADED, HAD AMMUNITION IN THEM, JUST GET THE MESSAGE ACROSS WITHOUT THE WEAPONS.

>> THAT IS THEIR RIGHT UNDER THE CONSTITUTION AS WELL AS THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO SAY WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY.

I THINK THAT THAT IN ITSELF IS THE POINT OF CARRYING IT.

>> CLARENCE MINGO, DOES THIS FACTION BECOME SORT OF THE PICTURE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NOW?

IS THAT A FEAR?

>> WELL, IT CERTAINLY IS A FEAR AND IT'S ONE THAT I FEAR, YOU KNOW, MAINSTREAM REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO BE SLOW TO PUSH BACK ON.

THERE IS A HUGE DIVIDE BETWEEN RURAL AMERICA AND URBAN AMERICA, AND, YOU KNOW, OHIO IS DOMINATED BY RURAL COUNTIES AND WHILE WE ALL RESPECT CITIZENS IN THOSE COUNTIES JUST AS MUCH AS WE DO CITIZENS IN THE URBAN COUNTIES, WE CERTAINLY HAVE TO TAKE NOTE AND THERE'S BEEN A RELUCTANCE TO DO SO BECAUSE OF THE CONSERVATIVE, WHITE, MALE CONSTITUENCY THAT, YOU KNOW, APPEARS AT SOME OF THESE DEMONSTRATIONS TO CONDEMN THEM.

WHAT PROTESTERS DID IN THE WAKE OF GEORGE FLOYD'S DEATH, YOU KNOW, THOSE PROTESTERS TO THE EXTENT THAT IT WAS VIOLENT, THEY WERE TAKEN TO TASK AND THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN AND THE VIOLENCE SHOULD HAVE BEEN REPUDIATED AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS.

LIKEWISE HERE.

WE NEED REPUBLICAN LEGISLATORS MOST ESPECIALLY WHO COME FROM THESE URBAN COUNTIES TO BEGIN TO GIVING VOICE TO THE IMAGES AND THE BEHAVIORS THAT EXPRESS WHITE NATIONALISM OR THAT ARE DESIGNED TO INTIMIDATE.

AND I AS AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN, I HAVE TO STAND STRONG AND BE VOCAL ABOUT A BEHAVIOR AROUND CIVIL RIGHTS THAT IS LESS THAN PEACEFUL AND I'VE DONE THAT.

MY WHITE BRETHREN WHO ARE REPUBLICAN FROM RURAL COUNTIES THEY NEED TO DO THE SAME AND IT THEIR VOICES WE NEED AND MY HOPE IS MANY MORE STEP UP THAN CURRENTLY HAVE.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENS HERE?

DO THEY FADE AWAY NOW THAT TRUMP HAS FADED AWAY FOR NOW ANYWAY?

DO THEY GO UNDERGROUND?

A LOT OF FOLKS SAY THESE FOBS -- FOLKS HAVE BEEN HERE THE WHOLE TIME, IT'S JUST TRUMP GAVE THEM LICENSE TO BE MORE VISIBLE.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THE FAR RIGHT FRINGE, THE PROUD BOYS, THAT KIND OF STUFF?

>> I DON'T THINK THEY GO AWAY AT ALL.

AS YOU SAY, MIKE, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF OUR POPULATION THAT BY ANY DEFINITION IS CERTIFIABLY CRAZY.

DONALD TRUMP ALLOWED THEM TO COME OUT OF THE SHADOWS.

I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT SOMETHING LAURA SAID EARLIER AND YOU ASKED WHY THEY CARRY THEIR GUNS TO THE STROUS.

-- STATEHOUSE.

WE HAVE A SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT.

WE DON'T EXERCISE EVERY RIGHT.

THE ONLY REASON SOMEONE WOULD BRING A FIREARM, ESPECIALLY AN ASSAULT WEAPON, IS TO INTIMIDATE PEOPLE.

THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE GUN.

I THINK IT IS TIME, AS CLARENCE JUST SAID A MOMENT AGO, THAT SO-CALLED MODERATES IN THIS STATE BEGIN TO CALL THIS STUFF OUT.

YOU KNOW, OHIO HAS 12 REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMEN AND ON JANUARY 6th, FOUR OF THEM, A FULL THIRD OF THE DELEGATION, JOINED A MAJORITY OF THE HOUSE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS IN GOING AGAINST THE ELECTION RESULTS AND DID IT AFTER THE CAPITOL ATTACK AND COULD HAVE EASILY LED TO THE DEATH OF MIKE PENCE AND A HOST OF CONGRESS PEOPLE.

IT IS LONG PAST TIME THAT THE SO-CALLED MODERATES STOP GIVING THESE FOLKS A PASS AND CALL THEM OUT FOR THEIR LIES AND THEIR UNAMERICAN BEHAVIOR.

>> ALL RIGHT.

THE SCHOTENSTINE CENTER HAS SEEN MANY A BASKETBALL SHOT THIS YEAR AND THIS YEAR 100-YEAR-OLD HELEN DRESSED IN HER SCARLET AND GRAY WAS THE FIRST TO GET THE VACCINE ON THE CONCOURSE OF THE SCHOTTENSTIEN.

STILL THE SYSTEM IS PROVING TO BE TROUBLESOME, THERE IS STILL A SHORTAGE OF VACCINES AND A COLUMBUS COMPANY ADMITTED THEY HAD TO THROW AWAY SOME 900 DOSES BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MEET REFRIGERATION STANDARD.

OHIO IS GIVING THE VACCINE TO QUOTE, REGULAR PEOPLE, NOT JUST HEALTH CARE AND FIRST RESPONDERS.

STILL, HOW DID THIS WEEK'S DISTRIBUTION GO?

>> IT KIND OF DEPENDS IF YOU TALK TO SOMEBODY WHO ACTUALLY GOT THEIR SHOT OR A PERSON FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO SCHEDULE ONLINE.

OHIO IS GOING WITH A DECENTRALIZED APPROACH WHERE YOU CAN GET YOUR VACCINATION THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT OR THROUGH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER OR, YOU KNOW, THESE VARIOUS CLINICS, MAYBE THROUGH CVS OR KROGER, BUT YOU HAVE TO KEEP GOING ONLINE AND SEEING WHO'S GOT APPOINTMENTS AND CAN YOU GET IT.

FOR SOME PEOPLE IT'S ENORMOUSLY TIME CONSUMING AND FRUSTRATING.

I THINK THAT THE GOVERNOR OPTED FOR THE DECENTRALIZED APPROACH OVER STATES THAT THREW OPEN THE DOORS LIKE FLORIDA AND THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, LONG LINES OF ELDERLY PEOPLE CAMPED OUT IN LAWN CHAIRS OUTSIDE FOR HOURS ON END.

THAT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK EITHER.

SO FAR I THINK ABOUT 500,000 OHIOANS HAVE RECEIVED THEIR FIRST DOSE.

THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT FOUR OUT OF 4.5% OF THE POPULATION.

IT JUST A LOT SLOWER THAN ANTICIPATED.

>> WE'RE ABOUT A MONTH IN, RIGHT?

LAURA, WHEN DID WE START GETTING THEM?

MID DECEMBER THE VACCINES WERE MADE AVAILABLE?

>> I THINK IT WAS A WEEK BEFORE CHRISTMAS.

>> 900 DOSES HAD TO BE THROWN OUT.

DO WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED?

TOO HOT?

TOO COLD?

THAT'S 900 PEOPLE.

>> SPECIALTY RX FAILED TO MONITOR TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TEMPERATURES WERE HELD AT THE CORRECT LEVEL AND THEN FOUND OUT THAT THE DOSES -- IT WAS LIKE 890 DOSES WERE NOT VIABLE.

YOU THINK ABOUT THESE VACCINES AND HOW EACH OF THOSE DOSES IS JUST SO PRECIOUS TO EVERYBODY.

IT LIKE LIQUID GOLD JUST GOING DOWN THE DRAIN.

>> YEAH.

DALE BUTLAND, THE GOVERNOR SAID HE WAS INFURIATED BY THE LOSS OF DOSES.

YOU HAVE TO FIGURE THAT 900 IS TERRIBLE WITH SO FEW OUT THERE.

YOU HAVE TO FIGURE THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOSES WE'RE TRYING TO PUT OUT THERE.

JOE BIDEN'S TONE IS DEFINITELY DIFFERENT, MORE SCIENCE FOCUSED, HE HAS A PLAN RIGHT OFF THE BAT.

DO YOU EXPECT THINGS TO IMPROVE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS?

>> WELL, HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE FINDING OUT IS THAT WHEN BIDEN WALKED INTO OFFICE, THE CUB BOARD WAS PRETTY BARE IN TERMS OF ANY SORT OF NATIONAL PLAN FOR VACCINE DISTRIBUTION.

BIDEN LAID OUT A 200-PAGE PLAN YESTERDAY.

CLEARLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MORE INVOLVED.

WE HAVE A NATIONAL CRISIS THAT HAS TO BE MET WITH A NATIONAL SOLUTION.

WE CAN'T LEAVE THIS TO 50 DIFFERENT STATES WITH 50 DIFFERENT PLANS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD THAT HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB THAN WE HAVE, THE ONE THING THEY ALL HAVE IN COMMON IS THEY ALL HAVE A NATIONAL PLAN.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO HERE AND HOPEFULLY THIS IS GOING TO GET BETTER FAST.

BIDEN PROMISED TO PUT 100 MILLION VACCINES IN ARMS IN THE FIRST HUNDRED DAYS.

IT GOING TO BE A TALL ORDER.

ASSUMING WE CAN GET THE VACCINES WE NEED AND GET A FEDERAL PLAN TO GET THE DISTRIBUTION DONE SO MAYBE WE HAVE FEDERAL CENTERS WHERE PEOPLE GO TO GET THEIR VACCINES, BUT CLEARLY WE GOT TO DO A BETTER JOB THAN WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE AT THIS RATE, IT WOULD TAKE YEARS TO GET EVERYBODY VACCINATED.

>> IS IT TOO LATE TO DO A NATIONAL PLAN NOW?

I MEAN, WE'VE GOT THIS PLAN, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAD EVERYTHING FILTERED DOWN TO THE LOCALS AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO REDO IT.

STUFF THAT HAS TO BE DONE HAS TO BE DONE, BUT IT COULD TAKE MONTHS JUST TO GET THAT UP AND GOING AND THEN WE'D START OVER AGAIN I GUESS IN SOME WAYS.

>> YEAH, I DON'T KNOW, MIKE, THAT IT'S EVER TOO LATE TO PLAN.

I THINK WE ALL AGREE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S INVOLVEMENT IS THE KEY INGREDIENT HERE.

BUT IF I'M JOE BIDEN'S TEAM, I WOULD REALLY BE, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY EXPRESSING CONFIDENCE AS THE PRESIDENT HAS BUT I WOULD ALSO TEMPER EXPECTATIONS.

I LISTENED VERY CAREFULLY TO THE PRESIDENT'S INAUGURAL SPEECH AND NOTED THE 100 MILLION VACCINATIONS IN A HUNDRED DAYS.

I'M A VETERAN OF THE GULF WAR, STUDENT OF MILITARY HISTORY AND I CAN'T THINK OF ONE PLAN OF BATTLE THAT WAS EXECUTED FLAWLESSLY WITHOUT DELAY AND INTERRUPTIONS THAT WERE FORESEEABLE AND UNFORESEEABLE.

SO MY POINT IS SIMPLY THERE, THAT THE EXPECTATIONS SIMPLY HAVE TO BE TEMPERED.

WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS IN, YOU KNOW, ALMOST A HUNDRED YEARS OR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OR SO, VACCINATING 300 MILLION PEOPLE IS A COMPLEX UNDERTAKING.

THE EXPECTATIONS HAVE TO BE TEMPERED AND THERE'S NO HARM IN SAYING THAT, NO HARM IN SAYING 50 MILLION PEOPLE IN A HUNDRED DAYS.

THAT'S BY SOME ESTIMATIONS A MORE REALISTIC PROBABILITY VERSUS 100 MILLION IN A HUNDRED DAYS.

>> THOUGH RIGHT NOW THE RATE IS CLOSE TO A MILLION VACCINATIONS A DAY, 900,000 OR SO.

SO A HUNDRED MILLION WITHIN A HUNDRED DAYS MIGHT BE IN THE WHEELHOUSE OR LOW ACCORDING TO SOME CRITICS.

LAST TOPIC.

THE CITY POLICE ARE LOOKING TO TIGHTEN UP BODY CAMERAS.

THEY WILL IMPROVE STORAGE OF BODY CAM FOOTAGE AND ALLOW CAMERAS TO TURN ON AUTOMATICALLY WHEN AN OFFICER LEAVES A CRUISER, FOLLOWING THE DEATH OF ANDRE HILL, A BLACK MAN FATALLY SHOT BY A COLUMBUS POLICE OFFICER WHO HAD NOT ACTIVATED HIS CAMERA UNTIL AFTER THE SHOOTING.

THE CITY WANTS TO LEGALLY REQUIRE OFFICERS TO ADMINISTER FIRST AID, SOMETHING OFFICERS DID NOT DO AFTER HILL WAS SHOT.

WE'LL GET TO THE CAMERAS IN A MOMENT, BUT WHAT DOES IT SAY WHEN THE CITY HAS TO LEGALLY REQUIRE AS A MATTER OF THE CITY CODE POLICE OFFICERS ADMINISTER FIRST AID RIGHT AWAY?

>> YEAH, I MEAN, IT REALLY SPEAKS TO A HISTORY THAT'S NOW BECOME A TRADITION OF NOT FULLY RESPECTING IN SOME CASES -- NOT ALL, BUT IN SOME CASES NOT FULLY RESPECTING THE LOSS OF LIFE OR THE INJURY OF CITIZENS IN POLICE CUSTODY.

THIS ENTIRE EPISODE VERY UNFORTUNATE BUT ALSO REFLECTIVE OF AN UNWILLINGNESS TO BE ACCOUNTABLE.

THIS REFLECTS AN INSTITUTION UNWILLING TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE CONDUCT OF SOME OF ITS MEMBERS.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NEEDING TO ACCEPT UP AND BE ACCOUNTABLE.

I'M SURE LATER IN THE YEAR I'LL HAVE A CASE TO SAY THAT ABOUT THE DEMOCRATS.

BUT WE SALUTE, RESPECT AND ESTEEM LAW ENFORCEMENT BUT IT'S OKAY TO ACKNOWLEDGE SYSTEMIC PROBLEMS EXISTED AND THIS SHOULD BE APPLIED AS A REMEDY THE CITY IS UNDERTAKING AND LAW ENFORCEMENT SHOULD BE FOLLOWING SUIT AND ONLY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF HOLDING YOURSELF ACCOUNTABLE FOR A CONTINUED PATTERN OF FAILURES AROUND AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND POLICE BRUTALITY.

>> HAVING THE CAMERAS TURN ON AS SOON AS AN OFFICER LEAVES THE CRUISER SEEMS LIKE IT MAKES SENSE.

THE POLICE UNION HAS TO AGREE TO IT.

DO YOU THINK THEY WILL AND DO YOU THINK THE CITY SHOULD PLAY HARD BALL WITH THEM?

>> YES AND YES.

I THINK THE POLICE UNION SHOULD CERTAINLY ACCEPT THIS.

IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

LOOK, YOU KNOW, HAVING A BODY CAMERA THAT ONLY WORKS WHEN IT TURNED ON MANUALLY DOESN'T HELP MUCH WHEN, AS HAPPENED IN THE CASE OF ANDRE HILL HERE IN COLUMBUS, NEITHER THE OFFICER WHO SHOT HIM NOR HIS PARTNER HAD THEIR CAMERAS TURNED ON.

BUT A CAMERA THAT AUTOMATICALLY TURNS ON WHEN THE POLICE OFFICER LEAVES HIS OR HER CRUISER MAKES ABSOLUTELY PERFECT SENSE.

AND I WANT TO ALIGN MYSELF WITH THE REMARKS THAT CLARENCE MADE A MOMENT AGO.

LOOK, I SUPPORTED POLICE THROUGHOUT MY ENTIRE CAREER.

I WAS ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN PROTECTING THEIR UNION BARGAINING RIGHTS DURING THE CAMPAIGN TO REPEAL SENATE BILL 5 A FEW YEARS AGO, BUT AFTER ALL THAT'S HAPPENED THIS PAST YEAR IN PARTICULAR, FROM GEORGE FLOYD TO ANDRE HILL, IT'S CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT WE'VE GOT TO REDOUBLE OUR EFFORTS TO WEED OUT BAD COPS AND TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HOLD POLICE ACCOUNTABLE FOR QUESTIONABLE SHOOTINGS, ESPECIALLY WITH REGARD TO PEOPLE OF COLOR.

>> ALL RIGHT.

TIME NOW FOR OUR FINAL OFF THE RECORD PARTING SHOTS.

WE'LL START WITH CLARENCE MINGO.

>> WISHING THE NEW PRESIDENT WELL AND LOOK FORWARD TO A BETTER YEAR.

ALL RIGHT.

DALE BUTLAND.

>> THE IMPEACHMENT PHASE OF DRT LAYS IN THE HAND OF MITCH McCONNELL.

IF McCONNELL VOTE FOR CONVICTION CONVICTION, HE'LL BRING ENOUGH REPUBLICANS WITH HIM.

BUT HIS DECISION DEPEND ON HOW BIG A LIABILITY HE'LL BE IN MAKING MITCH McCONNELL THE MAJORITY LEADER AGAIN.

IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHETHER DONALD TRUMP WILL EVER RUN FOR PRESIDENT AGAIN, DON'T LISTEN TO HIM.

KEEP YOUR EYE ON MITCH McCONNELL.

>> AND LAURA BISCHOFF, FINAL COMMENT.

>> YEAH.

FRAUD IS SO RAMPANT THAT EVEN FALSE CLAIMS WERE MADE IN THE NAMES OF MIKE AND FRAN DEWINE.

OHIOANS SHOULD WATCH THEIR MAILBOX FOR 1099s HEADED OUT TO 1.

MILLION PEOPLE.

IF YOU GOT A TAX FORM SAYING YOU RECEIVED UNEMPLOYMENT AND YOU DIDN'T, IT'S VERY LIKELY YOU WERE A VICTIM OF FRAUD.

>> IT WAS A TOUGH LOSS FOR THE BROWNS ON SUNDAY BUT THEY MAY HAVE HELPED KEEP THE PEACE AT THE STATEHOUSE.

WORD FROM PROTESTERS WAS THEY STAYED HOME TO WATCH THE GAME AND OTHERS LEFT EARLY.

AND THERE YOU GO.

FOR OUR CREW AND FOR OUR PANEL, HAVE A GOOD WEEK AND STAY SAFE.

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