>> Minnesota Governor Tim Walz and Ohio Senator JD Vance are taking the stage in New York City tonight.

Face off in the first and likely only vice presidential debate of the campaign season.

There's just over a month until Election Day.

So stakes are high in tonight's rules are similar to the last 2 debates.

No live audience and no written notes.

But Mike's will not be muted this time.

Joining us to talk more in-depth are who say Sanchez Molina, a communications and political consultant who previously served as deputy press secretary for Governor JB Pritzker and via zoom.

We have Michael Chad Hepner a coach to presidential candidates and author of the upcoming novel.

Don't which sounds like Prom something I should probably read.

Gentlemen, thanks to you both for joining me.

Jose.

Sanchez Molina.

Let's start with you.

Please.

Historically presidential running mates and debates really sway voters very But this election has been anything but normal is tonight can have a consequences in this way of the election's outcome.

Yeah.

First, thank you for having me CBS actually conducted a poll where they found anywhere between a quarter to a 3rd of the people that are going to be tuning in.

>> Are looking at this debate to help in the form who's going to vote for them.

I think what we're going to see from candidates is there going to talk their bosses?

They were bowled hired and brought on to be attack dogs.

And that's a I think what we're going to see today.

>> Michael Chen have no.

Let's talk a little bit about each candidates.

Debate style, starting with Tim Walz.

The governor is known as coach Walls and affable Midwest dad.

What are his strengths going in and where do you think he needs improvement?

>> What's interesting is you seen, of course, recently everyone saying that, you know, he's the inferior debater.

And then Judy van says as a much more accomplished debater, there's missing thread.

Their wishes him was.

He's actually a very commanding communicator when it comes to delivery.

So is what he says, but how he says it when he's unleashed on larger platforms and larger stages.

You watch him in an arena or a large uses tons of local varieties.

Enunciation is dynamic and this ice he looks around the entire room.

He's free and very expressive.

Now in the smaller situations, you can become much more constrained and in fact, even get sort of stock on Bulls, perhaps search for words a little bit more so essential for him is that he's able to keep that same level of ease and expressively.

Doesn't those larger situations?

think you'll be able to do that.

But we'll find out tonight.

>> Vance's also technically a Midwest dad, but he's known for his book Hillbilly Elegy because Ivy League education.

Of course, what would you say are his strengths and where does he need to improve?

>> Yeah, his strengths lie and that he's been able to double down on everything, not Trump has been able to say some of his weaknesses include sometimes even going beyond what Trump has said, you know, attacking immigrants saying that they hats and then one being called out double down on that.

I think lot has a great opportunity to attack him on some of that.

And at the same time, the governor has an extensive history legislative victories.

So to the point that was made earlier, making wonky policy, seen exciting.

That's a great opportunity you come in and talk that.

>> Vance has you mentioned the childless cat ladies rhetoric he's had to defend plenty of comments that wasn't included as well as of course, what he said about Haitian migrants in his home state, eating cats and dogs.

If that comes up, how should he respond?

>> He should own it.

Apologize, say that it was the wrong thing to do and then come back to the issues.

But what we've seen time and time again is I think on Twitter, he even said, well, sometimes you have to lie a little bit because no matter what immigrants are tracking our country.

And so that's the type of rhetoric that I think turns voters away from him.

But this is an opportunity to correct some of those mistakes.

>> Michael, same question to you.

If Vance should receive those questions about childless cat ladies what he has said about migrants in Ohio.

How should he respond?

>> Well, my answer might surprise you, which is that?

If I'm on his team, I don't actually care all that much.

What he says.

Here's why.

He says he's really inflammatory things a lot pretty incendiary things.

And yet if you look at how he actually delivers them in particular, how stoic and even static at times his face is interestingly, when Brown almost never moves missiles, all action by hillbilly Elegy error of the decade ago.

He's very immobile.

And what is and so conveying is that many of the statements seem quite combative runs and here on the page can actually seen more moderate, more even keel more even tempered when he's delivering them.

Now, I'm not saying it doesn't matter what you say.

It does for sure, probably more of a task for him tonight is make sure that he comes across as someone who is not quite as inflammatory and as incendiary as he may be portrayed in the media.

If people only looking at the content of what he says, meaning actual words.

Now, the flip side of that is actually if he gets the surreal, forceful fast with the speech stepping on every single we can like that a little bit.

Then he actually might shoot himself in the foot no matter what >> Michael Governor Walz, he's helped to create some of the narrative about his own opposition, calling them weird, reinforcing that the Democratic ticket is nice and normal and safe.

Has that been winning tactic or if he continues to pursue it?

Could it backfire?

>> Yeah, I think without a doubt it was a winning tactic.

If I'm going to get on the ticket.

I mean, in large, part of that seems to be what promoted him and propel him.

I do think of it.

He has been a more effective carrier of that message been others and if you listened and he has a remarkable ability to slice and dice language together and give you one example and his rallies, you often hear him say fully as this expression.

Now about as far you can go to to enough to profanity.

But then the softens it would usually using some kind of a compliment.

So it's actually a very skilled and walking this fine line of the reverend even provocative language making it feel, you welcome mean, quite inclusive.

And I think that how he was able to use that very word.

We are in a specific way that seemed to stick.

Could he overplay that?

Maybe it probably depends on how weird the staff it is.

A because as the night.

>> It sounds like it's going to be juicy debate the way the 2 of you are describing it because as we mentioned earlier, mites are not going to be muted.

Jose, how do you think that's going to play for either candidate?

Just because neither of them is known to be as interruptive as former President Trump can be.

>> If I was on was his camp.

One of the things that I would advise him on is to let some of the things that JD Vance a sometimes sit we've cut a time and time again come across as a little awkward.

I think the lack of crowd he's going to make that that silence is going to going to make that scene a little bit more awkward at the same time.

I Governor Walz has an opportunity really introduce himself to the American people.

We get out there.

And again, I think some of the legislative victories that he has been able to have because they're the same type of policy proposals that the Democrats are proposing at large at the federal level.

>> Michael were often looking for, you know, a headline, a big moments, especially, you know, as journalists, what are we going to be talking about tomorrow?

How can those moments be created without seeming rehearsed or practiced?

>> Money build back up and actually double down something that Jose just said, I could not agree more about letting some of those Vance lines land and married a little bit and sent there.

But for a different reason.

Here's why.

Jd Vance say what you want about him as a speaker, but he is hyper articulate it.

His linguistic precision is very, very high.

In other words, any time he opens his mouth, it appears as though he's in command of the words that are coming out of it, even if inflammatory or incendiary.

And then as he is very few arms and not very few non fluency very few stumbles.

He's good choosing words in choosing quickly.

Was probably not going to keep up in that same way.

So I would be trying.

This is really topping with speed of entrance or speed response or In fact, I would cut entirely the other way and a lot of what he has going for him is is.

>> Affable, relax, more sort medium tempo in kind of dynamic.

>> He surely knew that.

And in fact, the more JD Vance may try to push the pace to try to get every single point win every point and might actually boomerang and make also better.

Now to your question about manufacturing, these points, you know, whats interesting is people don't actually give team wants credit for being as good as he is and doing what theater professionals and actors calls same but different.

What that means is he can give a stump speech in which he saying essentially the exact same thing.

But it sounds a little bit different each time does it.

And that's the essential thing with attack lines as they have to sound as though they're coming out of a person's mouth for the first time.

So they have a few of her singers.

I think you might be able pull them off.

>> All right.

It'll be fun to see which ones play 15 seconds.

Jose.

How do you what do you think needs to happen tomorrow after tonight's debate?

>> I think they each need to take each camp needs to take what each candidate said about the other.

They're going to talk to presidential candidates.

So really, I think it's going to be reflective of the party, the platform and weather coming from one party has focused on doing right by the American people.

Another party has focused on doubling down on some of the racist and sexist things that they've All right, take what they said and